Google Ban's auto blogs and blog dripping!

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Hi Warriors

I was told by a close friend of mine that has a friend that works for google
and he tells me that google is inches away of nailing auto blogs and dripping blogs which I think are the same and sending them to the sandbox which I believe because they can already nail most of the back linking software out there so beware.

My question is has anyone heard anything?
#auto #bands #blog #blogs #dripping #google
  • Profile picture of the author visimedia
    if it's true, then I will hate this news... No google, don't do it... hehehe lol
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  • Profile picture of the author Andyhenry
    It's not true.......

    That's such a generic concept that millions of legitimate websites would get nailed to the wall for no real reason.

    Most 'News' sites are automatically pulling their stories from other sources in exactly the same way that an auto-blog works.

    Many drip-fed sites are just drip feeding legitimate content (lots of membership sites drip-feed content to their members).

    It would be stupid to get say "let's get rid of drip-fed content sites", or "sites that only show content from other places".

    After all - all Google does is spider other peoples content and show it to surfers. They're not in the business of showing original content unless it's an advert or business listing.

    They love to show press releases above all the organic results and they don't have their own press release directory to drive that - so it's all other people's content.

    I think your friend is a little paranoid and jumping on scare-mongering whispers.

    Sure they'll want to get rid of as much crap as possible - who can blame them, but just lumping that into IM-unfriendly categories is not the way they do it. They know more than most how lots of legitimate sites offer value using tools and strategies that some abuse so I don't believe they're that ignorant of these things that they'd just use a sledgehammer to crack this nut.

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    • Profile picture of the author BloggerHigh
      Originally Posted by Andyhenry View Post

      It's not true.......

      That's such a generic concept that millions of legitimate websites would get nailed to the wall for no real reason.

      Most 'News' sites are automatically pulling their stories from other sources in exactly the same way that an auto-blog works.

      Many drip-fed sites are just drip feeding legitimate content (lots of membership sites drip-feed content to their members).

      It would be stupid to get say "let's get rid of drip-fed content sites", or "sites that only show content from other places".

      After all - all Google does is spider other peoples content and show it to surfers. They're not in the business of showing original content unless it's an advert or business listing.

      They love to show press releases above all the organic results and they don't have their own press release directory to drive that - so it's all other people's content.

      I think your friend is a little paranoid and jumping on scare-mongering whispers.

      Sure they'll want to get rid of as much crap as possible - who can blame them, but just lumping that into IM-unfriendly categories is not the way they do it. They know more than most how lots of legitimate sites offer value using tools and strategies that some abuse so I don't believe they're that ignorant of these things that they'd just use a sledgehammer to crack this nut.

      Andy
      Andy is right. How do you 'prove' something is an autoblog? Lots of blogs are hand written with automated 'extras' thrown on.
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  • Profile picture of the author Andrea Wilson
    Very well said Andy. I cant agree more although at first when I read the title I was like "huh?!" bit of tensed and such. However Google, there are other search engines who wont ban auto blogs, there are MSN, Yahoo...so no worries at all.


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  • Profile picture of the author fullmatrix
    I haven't heard anything.

    If it's true, we can just posted the drip content from another software outside of the blog scheduled post, desktop or server side. No worries.
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  • Profile picture of the author warriortx
    ok then how are they nailing these back linking software packages. I myself have seen websites fall off of Google after using these kind of tactics.
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    • Profile picture of the author rapidscc
      Originally Posted by warriortx View Post

      ok then how are they nailing these back linking software packages. I myself have seen websites fall off of Google after using these kind of tactics.
      You've got two things you want to point out here.

      1. Auto-blogs will get nailed
      2. Backlinking software packages are getting detected

      For the first one, the auto-blogs - Andy's got a point. There are hundreds of news sites that works like an auto blog and I don't think these sites will come down soon.

      For the second one, I personally haven't seen a site come down permanently after using software or backlinking packages.

      I can observe the "Google Dance" but it's not something permanent.

      I've seen sites permanently losing its position for lack of activity (no updates, etc.) but not because of excessive backlinks.

      And if it were true, then it will be easy from now on to dethrone competitions, all we'll have to do is to run a backlinking software pointing to their sites and it's bye-bye birdie then?

      As for Google tracking backlinking packages, being a programmer I can say that it's quite easy. Just get a hold of the most popular backlinking offers in Google's search results, buy those and get the sites it backlinks to, then for all new sites that gets spidered, check their backlinks to the list from the software packages, if all of the backlinks match and nothing else deviates then their busted.

      That's how I would do it if I were backed up by a billion dollar company like Google.

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    • Profile picture of the author tpw
      Originally Posted by warriortx View Post

      ok then how are they nailing these back linking software packages. I myself have seen websites fall off of Google after using these kind of tactics.

      Follow the footprint.

      All software leaves a footprint that can be easily traced.

      The software maker is too egotistic not to tag the content with his business name, and the average user of the software cannot kill the footprint.

      For example, that little cue at the bottom of most every website on the Internet, "Powered by" whatever...

      If it says, "Powered by AutoDripFeed.com" or whatever, Google has the cue that this stuff is automated content. They do try to weed out any content not driven by human selection.

      That happened with article directories to an extent. "Powered by ArticleDashboard.com" was an almost universal signal that "this website is crap!"

      Although it should be noted that many Article Dashboard sites have risen to the challenge of getting their article directories crawled reliably from Google. The "Powered by" only served to inform Google that they should take a closer look at those sites, to see what patterns they should identify to eliminate the junk versions.
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      • Profile picture of the author CDarklock
        Originally Posted by tpw View Post

        The software maker is too egotistic not to tag the content with his business name, and the average user of the software cannot kill the footprint.
        So if you're making automation software, maybe you should think about this.

        Nobody is buying your software because of the "powered by" link you stick in there. Nobody is even clicking that link. They're buying your software because people are talking about it.

        Make your software invisible, and impossible for Google to detect, and people will talk about that.
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    • Profile picture of the author J Bold
      Originally Posted by warriortx View Post

      ok then how are they nailing these back linking software packages. I myself have seen websites fall off of Google after using these kind of tactics.
      That's a pretty ambiguous statement "these" back linking software packages. What "these" you talking about? What kind of tactics, exactly? There are so many different ways to get backlinks using different kinds of software, and besides no Google's not as smart as you think it is, many, many sites game the system every day and you see them at the top of the search results. But this kind of conversation could go on and on and on...

      In any case, the best thing you can do if you are sandboxed is to make a sand castle.
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    • Profile picture of the author bgmacaw
      Originally Posted by warriortx View Post

      ok then how are they nailing these back linking software packages.
      I explained this in this thread...

      http://www.warriorforum.com/adsense-...backlinks.html

      ...it's basically statistical pattern matching. Remember also that the usual thing that is done is that the site with the outgoing links is devalued in some way, not the site being linked to. Otherwise it would be easy to screw over competitors with bogus links.
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  • Profile picture of the author fullmatrix
    What kind of backlinking software package? Are you talking about profile backlinks?
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  • Profile picture of the author jasonmorgan
    ok then how are they nailing these back linking software packages. I myself have seen websites fall off of Google after using these kind of tactics.
    But for every site the falls off supposedly because of these tactics, others are unaffected and even flourish.

    It's a back and forth argument of do X and your site will be punished while somebody who does X claims the opposite.

    We might as well argue tastes great or less filling because nobody really knows for sure and there is no conclusive evidence of certain packs and software really doing any damage.

    There may be cases where abuse of certain tactics have landed certain sites in hot water but it's never clear if it was those tactics or something else the webmaster was doing.
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    • Profile picture of the author Rsberg
      Originally Posted by jasonmorgan View Post

      We might as well argue tastes great or less filling

      Now thats funny right there....

      Good stuff!
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  • Profile picture of the author LetsGoViral
    I don't know what you are talking about guys. My autoblogs are fine and dandy so far. In fact they are earning Google money with the adsense ads. It would be stupid for Google to ban them.
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    • Profile picture of the author Defunct
      Yeh, as stated, the problem with banning sites for links is you can just take out all your competitors with whatever link methods are bannable.

      The best Google can do in regards to linking that anyone could be doing to a site is discount it.

      Automated content on the internet has been around forever, I don't see it going anywhere either.

      Google can still manually review sites which a low quality and delete them and also maybe look for footprints to common spammy type programs/scripts.
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    • Profile picture of the author buzinessware
      Originally Posted by LetsGoViral View Post

      I don't know what you are talking about guys. My autoblogs are fine and dandy so far. In fact they are earning Google money with the adsense ads. It would be stupid for Google to ban them.
      He is saying in future its auto blog dripping.
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  • Profile picture of the author Quentin
    Who cares unless you are trying to get all your traffic through generic search through google.

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  • Profile picture of the author markowe
    So wait, this news effectively came from a friend of a friend? Must be true then!

    If G could 100% automatically identify autoblogs they probably would, but they can't, so the cat and mouse game will continue for now!
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    • Profile picture of the author Lothar Evers
      Originally Posted by markowe View Post

      So wait, this news effectively came from a friend of a friend? Must be true then!
      Completely agree, they have more important things to do and they atomate a lot themselves...
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  • Profile picture of the author Rsberg
    Im not sure Google would want to do away with auto blogs even if they could easily identify them...

    Think about it...

    Auto blogs might not contain "unique" content but a lot of the content that is used by auto bloggers comes from article directories and "authority" sources that Google absolutely LOVES...that content is shared by all, spread all around the net (even your aunt Jenny's healthy cooking blog that has no intention of making money) and all the while Google gets to show "relevant" search results to people looking for that great heart healthy recipe (you know..the one aunt Jenny drip fed into her blog from an article directory). That recipe wouldn't be so dang popular if it werent shared all over the net and Google knows it.

    One more obvious thing too.

    Think about how much money Google would loose from Adsense Ads if Auto Blogs went away...

    Things that make you go hmmmmm

    Like others have said here....too many "other" sites are drip feeding content and auto posting...not to mention its not "unique". I highly doubt you will see the end of Auto Blogging anytime soon.
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    • Profile picture of the author Eric Lorence
      I thought this was an old thread dug up from 2008, and the spammers were at it again ...

      As a matter of fact, I seen this topic dozens of times over the years now.

      Also interesting to use "google ban's" in the search box as well ...
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  • Profile picture of the author aizaku
    good and good riddance. I can't stand those automated blogs that regurgitate trash content.
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    • Profile picture of the author pavionjsl
      Originally Posted by aizaku View Post

      good and good riddance. I can't stand those automated blogs that regurgitate trash content.
      Don't be a hater...
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      • Profile picture of the author Stephen Crooks
        It is far too simplistic to say they are banning autoblogs from their index. What defines an autoblog anyway?

        What is true though, and has been true from day 1 of Google, is that they are continually aiming to provide the most relevant results for their searchers. That is, they want their searchers to feel satisfied with the web pages they are providing links to.

        By definition, an automated solution to content "normally" does not satisfy the relevance factor and satisfaction factor described above. Obviously sometimes you can throw enough s**t against the wall and some will stick, i.e. get some half decent rankings for some half decent keywords.

        There is no doubt about it though, Google would love to rid their index of anything that doesn't offer value for their searchers and they are getting a lot better at it.
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        • Profile picture of the author bgmacaw
          Originally Posted by Steve Crooks View Post

          There is no doubt about it though, Google would love to rid their index of anything that doesn't offer value for their searchers and they are getting a lot better at it.
          I'll believe that when I no longer see the mega-scrapper sites thefind.com, bizrate.com and nextag.com competing with me for product keywords.
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          • Profile picture of the author Stephen Crooks
            I think we had this debate before on another thread Your examples are why I made the distinction between automated and offering value to the searcher.

            It is possible to offer some sort of value to the searcher like the automated price comparison scraper sites you mention do. I know your argument is that Joe Blogs can throw up the same automated type site as these and get nowhere. However, I believe that if Joe Bloggs was to put in the same amount of SEO and have the same authority and aged domains as these types of sites, he could have the same success.

            Originally Posted by bgmacaw View Post

            I'll believe that when I no longer see the mega-scrapper sites thefind.com, bizrate.com and nextag.com competing with me for product keywords.
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            • Profile picture of the author bgmacaw
              Originally Posted by Steve Crooks View Post

              I think we had this debate before on another thread
              We did. Those sites are a prime example of the quality (aka value to the searcher) of an automated script is in the eye of the beholder. I don't think they add a lot of value, at least no more than the average auto-blogging script, but they rank well for tons of keywords and must be of value to some people.

              Originally Posted by Steve Crooks View Post

              I know your argument is that Joe Blogs can throw up the same automated type site as these and get nowhere. However, I believe that if Joe Bloggs was to put in the same amount of SEO and have the same authority and aged domains as these types of sites, he could have the same success.
              I do agree with you that an automated site can do well with good SEO. My main complaint is that if I were to develop and sell such a script to the good folks here and elsewhere in the IM world that Google would make it their business to shut it down quickly, deindexing any site that used it, while the bizrates of the world can do the exact same thing with no problem at all.
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          • Profile picture of the author derekwong28
            Originally Posted by bgmacaw View Post

            I'll believe that when I no longer see the mega-scrapper sites thefind.com, bizrate.com and nextag.com competing with me for product keywords.
            When you get that big, Google will let you do what you want. Whereas if you are small, the smallest transgession results in a ban or other penalty. As you wrote in another thread, either you become big or go home.

            Google has definitely become very unfriendly towards small publishers. I hope they get thoroughly investigated for their practices.
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            • Profile picture of the author Jacob Martus
              Originally Posted by derekwong28 View Post

              When you get that big, Google will let you do what you want. Whereas if you are small, the smallest transgession results in a ban or other penalty. As you wrote in another thread, either you become big or go home.

              Google has definitely become very unfriendly towards small publishers. I hope they get thoroughly investigated for their practices.
              I think it has more to do with various Google employees having made investments in such websites.
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  • Profile picture of the author Intrepreneur
    Google News results still littered with autoblogs so I doubt it very much. That is where they are most strict about what gets in and even there it is completely littered with autoblogs.
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    • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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      Originally Posted by Intrepreneur View Post

      Google News results still littered with autoblogs so I doubt it very much. That is where they are most strict about what gets in and even there it is completely littered with autoblogs.
      Provide examples. Google News requires that the news articles are unique. They ban sites that don't provide unique content from Google News. It's only a matter of time in Google News before they are detected and removed from Google News.
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  • Profile picture of the author sparckyz
    There are a lot of blogs and average/high profile-ish websites with unique and scrape'd content & also PLR content (that may or may not have an obvious footprint), doesn't necessarily mean they're crappy autoblogs!!
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  • Profile picture of the author celente
    I was warning of this many moons ago and people were telling me to go and hide in a hole.

    The truth of the matter is that autoblogs were just the latest craze, the shiney metal object that just gets and pulls the wool over your eye.

    Why not build a real business, a list of hot prospects, products with membership backend continuity programs. its how I earn money online. Many smart marketers in here, knows that works and will still work in 80 years from now.

    I am just gunna shut up now, what would I know. *shruggs shoulders*

    P.s. I wonder what the next shiney object to come out is. hmmmm The mind boggles.
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  • Profile picture of the author Diana Lane
    Google can hardly shout too loudly about the practice of siphoning bits of content from other sites to display them on your own pages - it's all that their own SERPs content consists of. If users became conditioned to demand 100% unique every time they looked at a web page, then Google would have to have millions of underpaid little scribes rewriting all our description tags in their own words to display to the searching public.

    As long as they are making money from 'sharing' our content I think there's a limit to how much they'll try to prohibit us sharing each other's.

    What's important at the end of the day is providing genuinely useful content to the aforementioned surfing public, however you do it. There's syndicated gold out there amongst the syndicated scrap metal, just as there's plenty of unique and original crud. Build sites to please the surfers and you will probably please Google as well. If not, the reputation of quality content will eventually build via the social networks and Google can please themselves.

    They're the biggest player in the game, but they're not the only player. They don't hold all the cards - much of their perceived power lies in encouraging you to think they do. It's not for nothing that the same baseless rumours of Google's next move never quite sink to the bottom of cyberspace and are repeated over and over again. Google could scotch most of them with a simple confirmation or denial, but it suits them to have the 'little' people constantly being seen to cower in dread at the prospect of their next policy change.

    I'd just keep on providing stuff that's worthy of the eyeballs of the viewing public, by whatever means - Google are desperate to include it. Stop letting them play with you and just crack on with it.
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    • Profile picture of the author JohnMcCabe
      Originally Posted by Chris Kent View Post

      Autoblogs are not exactly annoying people on a mass scale, I hardly ever see them. It's not like the days of directory generator - remember that?
      Shudder...

      Actually, it's likely to be a two part process.

      1. Identify the process (i.e., 'follow the footprint'). With the kind of power Google harnesses, pattern matching should be relatively easy.

      2. Make a judgment of intent. Is the site a legitimate news aggregator, or are they simply trying to scam the search engine or visitors? That's a tougher call, and one reason some can say they're unaffected (yet) and others see their work spiraling around the porcelain..
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      • Profile picture of the author Bill Farnham
        Those of you who are using 'logic' as a reason Google may or may not do something are guilty of wishful thinking.

        While the logical side of the arguement carries weight on an intellectual level it hardly carries any weight in the decisions that will be implemented by Google, the Gubberment, DWTS, or anything else.

        Babies get thrown out with the bath water all the time. You may or may not like the outcome of certain policies but one thing you can be sure of...logic plays a very small role in how things pan out. Internal politics rule the day in any organization. If mama ain't happy, nobody's happy...

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          Originally Posted by Bill Farnham View Post

          Those of you who are using 'logic' as a reason Google may or may not do something are guilty of wishful thinking.

          While the logical side of the arguement carries weight on an intellectual level it hardly carries any weight in the decisions that will be implemented by Google, the Gubberment, DWTS, or anything else.

          Babies get thrown out with the bath water all the time. You may or may not like the outcome of certain policies but one thing you can be sure of...logic plays a very small role in how things pan out. Internal politics rule the day in any organization. If mama ain't happy, nobody's happy...

          ~Bill
          Very true...

          Nobody would have dreamed in their worst nightmare, the lengths Google went to with the Adwords bans etc

          But the reality is, it happened.
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          • Profile picture of the author celente
            Originally Posted by oneplusone View Post

            Very true...

            Nobody would have dreamed in their worst nightmare, the lengths Google went to with the Adwords bans etc

            But the reality is, it happened.
            Great point there! Good old reality! Yes I remember when people were in here fighting about it. I remember the days when adwords were 0.01 c a click...LOL

            Those days have changed, and the internet changes quicker than we know it, that is for sure.

            Google the ruler of the jungle. Go Google! *tongue in cheek*
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      • Profile picture of the author Crew Chief
        Originally Posted by warriortx View Post

        I was told by a close friend of mine that has a friend that works for google and he tells me that google is inches away of nailing auto blogs and dripping blogs which I think are the same and sending them to the sandbox which I believe because they can already nail most of the back linking software out there so beware.My question is has anyone heard anything?

        YES! I heard the exact same thing, and I also heard from a person who has a friend that sent me this video a while back ago about a Rouge Helicopter Pilot that was causing quite a stir from NY to LA and is in de facto a threat to National Security.

        The guy who identified the rouge pilot speaks here... I wonder if his wife saw this.


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        • Profile picture of the author Bill Farnham
          Originally Posted by Crew Chief View Post

          I also heard from a person who has a friend that sent me this video a while back ago about a Rouge Helicopter Pilot
          Boy, I bet he was red in the face...

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          • Profile picture of the author Crew Chief
            Originally Posted by Bill Farnham View Post

            Boy, I bet he was red in the face...

            ~Bill
            Bill, I tried to slip that one by, honestly, you surprised the heck out of me when you caught it! Sharp eyes!

            A White helicopter with a Rogue pilot...

            I guess paranoia knows no end.

            If anybody else is interested, here are a few other things I heard recently from good sources who heard it directly from the horse's mouth...
            • Google will be cutting off access to MAC users on January 31st, 2011
            • By January 31st, 2012 Google will only be allowing blogs in its Main Index and Cached indexes, All other publishing platforms will be relegated to the "Supplemental Index"
            • CPA is dead
            • Adsense is dead
            • Clickbank is dead
            • Hub Pages is dead
            • All .info domain names will be shuttered on January 1st, 2011
            • Squidoo is dead
            • Backlinking is dead
            • Google will no longer accept XSitePro sites as of February 29th, 2011
            • WSO's are dead
            • Blogs are dead
            • PPC is dead
            • Blogging is dead
            • Press Releases are dead
            • ScrapeBox is dead
            • Traffic Travis is dead
            • Article marketing is dead
            • Classified Ads are dead
            • The Internet is dead
            • Market Samurai is dead
            • Google is purging all Web 2.0 properties from their Cached Index
            • Social bookmarking is dead
            • Link networks are dead
            • SEO SpyGlass is dead
            • Blogger accounts are dead
            • WordPress accounts are dead
            • Video marketing is dead
            • RSS Feeds are dead
            • TBS is dead
            • Meta Search Engines are dead
            • Open Office is dead
            • Microsoft Office is dead
            • All .net domain names will be shuttered on January 1st, 2012
            • Web Directories are dead
            • Free Web Hosting is dead
            • Podcasts are dead
            • Hostgator is dead
            • The Internet will be dead on January 1st 2013
            • JustHost is dead
            • Profiles are dead...
            Oh, and the big one... on April 1st, 2011, Google will be de-indexing all forums because of Matt Cutts feels the signature links allowed are not genuinely natural back links and he and the Big G only want organically natural backlinks in which the recipient does absolutely nothing to get said link except put out literary award winning content that must pass the scrutiny of Harvard MBAs and be approved by Yale Emeritus Faculty ...

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            • Profile picture of the author JohnMcCabe
              Giles, I even heard from a reputable source that Elvis is dead.
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              • Profile picture of the author Crew Chief
                I'm quite perplexed as to how so many IMers can be so easily bamboozled into believing such a paranoia based rumor that has about as much factual traction to it as the sightings of UFOs, Bigfoot and the Lochness monster.

                If we are going to have a serious remonstration about auto-blogging being nixed by Google, why not have a indepth discussion about the impeding Alien attack against Southern California. Both discussions would be on the same level.

                Man alive, look at all these rumors.

                The truth is; Auto blogging rocks when you've got the right software and learn the nuances of using said software properly. AND, auto blogging is here to stay!

                Originally Posted by JohnMcCabe View Post

                Giles, I even heard from a reputable source that Elvis is dead.
                P.S. John, Elvis is very much ALIVE! We've got PROOF!


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              • Profile picture of the author mikemcmillan
                Originally Posted by JohnMcCabe View Post

                Giles, I even heard from a reputable source that Elvis is dead.
                John, I resent the shallowness of your remark. Please check your facts before posting about Elvis again! (I'm the one on the left :p)

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            • Profile picture of the author Teravel
              Originally Posted by Crew Chief View Post

              If anybody else is interested, here are a few other things I heard recently from good sources who heard it directly from the horse's mouth...
              • Google will be cutting off access to MAC users on January 31st, 2011
              • By January 31st, 2012 Google will only be allowing blogs in its Main Index and Cached indexes, All other publishing platforms will be relegated to the "Supplemental Index"
              • CPA is dead
              • Adsense is dead
              • Clickbank is dead
              • Hub Pages is dead
              • All .info domain names will be shuttered on January 1st, 2011
              • Squidoo is dead
              • Backlinking is dead
              • Google will no longer accept XSitePro sites as of February 29th, 2011
              • WSO's are dead
              • Blogs are dead
              • PPC is dead
              • Blogging is dead
              • Press Releases are dead
              • ScrapeBox is dead
              • Traffic Travis is dead
              • Article marketing is dead
              • Classified Ads are dead
              • The Internet is dead
              • Market Samurai is dead
              • Google is purging all Web 2.0 properties from their Cached Index
              • Social bookmarking is dead
              • Link networks are dead
              • SEO SpyGlass is dead
              • Blogger accounts are dead
              • WordPress accounts are dead
              • Video marketing is dead
              • RSS Feeds are dead
              • TBS is dead
              • Meta Search Engines are dead
              • Open Office is dead
              • Microsoft Office is dead
              • All .net domain names will be shuttered on January 1st, 2012
              • Web Directories are dead
              • Free Web Hosting is dead
              • Podcasts are dead
              • Hostgator is dead
              • The Internet will be dead on January 1st 2013
              • JustHost is dead
              • Profiles are dead...
              Oh, and the big one... on April 1st, 2011, Google will be de-indexing all forums because of Matt Cutts feels the signature links allowed are not genuinely natural back links and he and the Big G only want organically natural backlinks in which the recipient does absolutely nothing to get said link except put out literary award winning content that must pass the scrutiny of Harvard MBAs and be approved by Yale Emeritus Faculty ...

              Giles, the Crew Chief
              And shortly after...
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            • Profile picture of the author theimdude
              Originally Posted by Crew Chief View Post

              • All .net domain names will be shuttered on January 1st, 2012
              Now this ruined my evening. Anybody want to buy my PR7 .net domain?
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                Originally Posted by theimdude View Post

                Now this ruined my evening. Anybody want to buy my PR7 .net domain?
                I'll buy it for $0,07 on December 22nd 2012
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  • Profile picture of the author celente
    This is an important thread in my book. Please keep us updated....Cause i am yet to see anyone making a killing with autoblogs , fancy that.

    I was yelled at in another thread today obviously by a warrior who has an autoblog product. surprise suprise. LOL *rolls eyes* he couldnt see the down side to this whole situation and google that will be now starting to really wake up to the autoblogs and their functions.
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    • Profile picture of the author Rsberg
      Originally Posted by celente View Post

      This is an important thread in my book. Please keep us updated....Cause i am yet to see anyone making a killing with autoblogs , fancy that.

      I was yelled at in another thread today obviously by a warrior who has an autoblog product. surprise suprise. LOL *rolls eyes* he couldnt see the down side to this whole situation and google that will be now starting to really wake up to the autoblogs and their functions.
      I didn't "yell" at you, I asked you why you always show up in threads bashing autoblogging, it doesn't suprise me that you are here as you obviously support the concept of auto blogging going by the way side.

      As for my having an auto blog product, that has nothing to do with why I didn't like your posts in that thread. Like I told you, everyone is entitled to their own opinion but you have certianly gone out of your way to post in several threads pertaining to auto blogging talking trash about it. In fact I just read another of your posts in an auto blog thread that was started by someone who is quite successful with it....which you said never happens and practically begged me to point someone out to you that was successful with it. You have posted in threads writtne by successful auto bloggers...you should know who they are!

      Are you starting to see why I "yelled" at you (as you called it)? You talk trash about it, tell me no one makes money with it (serious money that is) yet I find you posting your anti auto blogging rants in other threads (written by people who are successful with it) that are only trying to help others succeed with it.

      I personally don't care if you like auto blogging or not..that's your choice, but when you make the kinds of posts you do it isn't good for the forum as a whole and it certainly isn't fostering a good environment for those who really want to learn and succeed.

      I actually came to this thread hoping to read some valid points, which there are some here...but as usual I find your comments as well, mostly just trash talk without offering anything real to the conversation.
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  • Profile picture of the author Matt Bard
    The problem with a lot of these arguments about what Google can and can't do based on what the major news and authority sites are doing is this assumption that Google views all of us equally.

    While it may be true that the Washington Post and Joe's Emporium are using some of the same techniques and software to gather and post content, the major difference is the editing.

    The editor of the Washington Post is doing his best to give us relevant, useful, and sometimes entertaining information while Joe Blow doesn't give a rat's a** about anything but keywords.

    It doesn't matter if someone thinks that it's unfair for Google to treat these two differently.

    Google is a private business that has the right to refuse service to Joe's Emporium while showing blatant favoritism to the Washington Post.

    They also have the World's biggest, fastest, and baddest computers that probably have a better chance of figuring out some of these "how can they tell the difference...?" questions better than we can.
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    It would be too big impact for online business, no way this is true, HOPE SO!
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  • Profile picture of the author Teravel
    "They sky is falling!"
    Ok, in all seriousness... Most people get their traffic from Article Directories (Which have built in search functions, or Mini-search engines), Video Directories (YouTube is a video search engine...), and various other sources. Are you really worried about what google has to say?

    Do some research on your own websites and find out where your traffic is coming from. You may be surprised at the results. About 2% of my traffic comes from Google, another 1-3% from Yahoo and Bing. The other 95-97% comes from my promotional sources. Yes, that extra 3-5% of free traffic is nice. But is it really worth worrying about the smallest source of traffic that I receive? If google sandboxed my sites, I would still be getting 95%+ of my traffic.

    My suggestion... Stop putting your eggs in one basket. Or, find out where your real traffic is coming from.
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    • Profile picture of the author tpw
      Originally Posted by Teravel View Post

      Ok, in all seriousness... Most people get their traffic from Article Directories

      Okay, in all seriousness... Really!!

      If you are getting most of your traffic from Article Directories, you are doing Article Marketing WRONG!!

      LOL...

      You really should open your mind to the greater possibilities.
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    • Profile picture of the author Karen Blundell
      Originally Posted by Teravel View Post

      "They sky is falling!"
      Ok, in all seriousness... Most people get their traffic from Article Directories (Which have built in search functions, or Mini-search engines), Video Directories (YouTube is a video search engine...), and various other sources. Are you really worried about what google has to say?

      Do some research on your own websites and find out where your traffic is coming from. You may be surprised at the results. About 2% of my traffic comes from Google, another 1-3% from Yahoo and Bing. The other 95-97% comes from my promotional sources. Yes, that extra 3-5% of free traffic is nice. But is it really worth worrying about the smallest source of traffic that I receive? If google sandboxed my sites, I would still be getting 95%+ of my traffic.

      My suggestion... Stop putting your eggs in one basket. Or, find out where your real traffic is coming from.
      I get 1/3 of my traffic from Google and that's the way I wanted it. Nice easy free organic traffic earned through using free tactics that didn't take me a whole lot of time to implement. People act like Google is the enemy here. Nothing can be further from the truth. Play by the rules and Google can be your best friend.

      I still get free Google traffic from a WordPress post of mine from 2006. (original content!) That one post made me over $1000 easily over the years because it climbed to the number 1 spot in Google for certain keywords and has stayed there all this time.
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  • Profile picture of the author patricialin
    Nope, I haven't heard of it. Also, I'm not sure how they are going to track every single link that is coming from a backlinking software. I mean, is it virtually possible? Such software usually mimic actual user activity, making it difficult to detect. So, how do they know?

    All I know is that posting/scheduling unique content periodically into autoblogs does help in one way or another to avoid Google penalizing the site in any way.
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    • Profile picture of the author Rsberg
      Originally Posted by patricialin View Post

      All I know is that posting/scheduling unique content periodically into autoblogs does help in one way or another to avoid Google penalizing the site in any way.

      This is a great point, just a sprinkle here and there of "unique" content can and does make all the difference in the world!

      I initially started doing this as a way to test different keywords but found it really did help my sites overall performance. I don't flood them with unique content but occasionally drop an article in here and there and it works like a charm. It may not be 100% "auto" but compared to the upkeep and daily maintenance of a regular blog it sure feels like it.
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    • Profile picture of the author JohnMcCabe
      Originally Posted by patricialin View Post

      Nope, I haven't heard of it. Also, I'm not sure how they are going to track every single link that is coming from a backlinking software. I mean, is it virtually possible? Such software usually mimic actual user activity, making it difficult to detect. So, how do they know?

      All I know is that posting/scheduling unique content periodically into autoblogs does help in one way or another to avoid Google penalizing the site in any way.
      Patricia, they don't have to track every single link. All they have to do is find a pattern that unnaturally repeats itself across many sites. If they can link that pattern to undesirable behavior, they can tweak the ranking algorithm to devalue sites that fit the pattern.

      There was a counterfeiting outfit in the local news recently. They were taking the corners from $20 bills and pasting them to $1 bills. You would think it would be obvious, but many store clerks, etc. were so accustomed to looking only at the number that they didn't notice that the face on the bill wasn't right. Once alerted, the counterfeiters were quickly identified and caught.

      I'm not into autoblogging, but it's pretty obvious that the 'trick' to it is to make the blog look more like a legitimate news site and less like a scammer or splogger.
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      • Profile picture of the author Jacob Martus
        Originally Posted by JohnMcCabe View Post

        There was a counterfeiting outfit in the local news recently. They were taking the corners from $20 bills and pasting them to $1 bills.
        You just gave me my new business plan....
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        • Profile picture of the author affhelper
          I don't see Google banning for backlinks because that would mean
          I could take out my competition simply by putting links to them from
          those sites

          As far as autoblogs...Google will bann them no doubt sooner or later.

          The legitimate auto sites will stay simply because, like I have said soooo
          many time before, have traffic not dependent on Google and are well branded
          plus have links coming from HIGH authority sources that you and me wouldn't
          be able to get a link from.

          Your simple autoblog pulling amazon, CB, articles etc will get nailed. Sorry

          The argument that "well Google does it too, or RottenTomatos does it why
          can't I??" won't work with Google. Those are brands with high traffic and
          they simply CAN.

          End of story
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        • Profile picture of the author Cataclysm1987
          As someone who drip feeds thousands of XRumer forum profiles to my money sites per day and owns several number 1-5 slots for various keywords, I can honestly say it's unlikely Google will ban these practices.

          The reason is because most of these drip fed links do not get indexed. It's a non issue for most websites in Google's index. They don't need to freak out over every single site that builds links in this way since they are not affected by the majority of these obscure profile links being built.

          For each thousand profiles I make, a handful of them show up in Google Webmaster tools and Yahoo Site Explorer. Why bother banning it when it makes such a small dent and has to be used in mass numbers to be in any way effective?

          And as far as footprints go, in what way does this leave a footprint? google only sees what's in the profile which is whatever I write in there. I make a profile with uniquely spun content and contextual backlinks, the index adds me and puts my link into the site. Google is not as advanced as people think simply because whatever footprint tracking they use, they have to be able to do it over billions of websites on the web.

          In other words, stop spooking yourselves.

          If you want to get super scared about SEO, I don't mind. I'll keep doing what I know works while you all can fear the giant Google bot and hide under your beds scared to build too many links.

          In the meantime I'll be making money at the number 1 spot for my keywords.
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        • Profile picture of the author AndrewCavanagh
          Over the years you'll see thousands of black hat SEO strategies.

          Someone will be selling some brand new software or information product that "tricks" the search engines into giving you top rankings.

          And then a few months later you'll see a post on the warrior forum something like "New google slap" and all those people using that technique will be wailing about their sites disappearing from the google rankings, their traffic and sales disappearing etc etc.

          How long does it take for people to work this out?


          There's only 2 main principles you need to understand if you want good google rankings and you want to keep them for years to come:

          # 1: Google likes to give it's searchers unique, high quality highly targeted content.

          It's algorithms are designed to do that and they'll be refined to reward high quality, highly targeted content and weed out anything that isn't high quality, highly targeted content.


          # 2: Google will also rank based on how much it trusts a page on a site. That will depend heavily on a variety of factors but especially on that page having links from other related sites it trusts.



          So there are two principles here:

          # 1: Put unique high quality highly targeted content on your site.

          # 2: Get backlinks from sites related google trusts to the pages on your site.



          The people who have done that over the years just laugh whenever there is a "google slap" because it means another dodgy black hat SEO strategy has hit the dirt.

          And their sites are staying at the same rankings and rising because they focused on giving google what it wants...and exceptional experience for its searchers.

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          • Profile picture of the author FrontLineMentor
            This is a long discussion. Anybody has come to a conclusion from this thread discussion?

            If it can be updated in the front page whether autoblog is gonna get down soon? How about auto backlinking for every post (like some plugins provide?)
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            • Profile picture of the author Rsberg
              Originally Posted by FrontLineMentor View Post

              This is a long discussion. Anybody has come to a conclusion from this thread discussion?

              If it can be updated in the front page whether autoblog is gonna get down soon? How about auto backlinking for every post (like some plugins provide?)
              Pretty much the basics of this thread is there is one side who thinks Google is going to destroy anything with the word "Auto" in it.

              Theres another side who thinks thats a bit paranoid and never sees it happening.

              To auto blog or not to auto blog that is the question...

              It all boils down to choice. If you want to approach it then go for it, if your affraid of the big bad G then stay away...but....

              Dont let unconfirmed rumors scare you away. Just because a blog is "auto" doesn't meant it will instantly burst into Google flames. Auto Blogging can be (just like any other form of IM) profitable as well as a long term strategy.

              It's been said here by several people...

              It's not the tools you use but how they are used that either determines failure or success.
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        • Profile picture of the author TZ
          Respectfully have to disagree in a massive way.

          My autoblogs are doing great. Not even a hiccup. Some have increased.

          This "autoblogs are bad" meme is going to be debunked over time, but it's fun to watch the fear. Colbert would be proud.

          As far content dripping is concerned, I suppose these sites will all be banned soon;
          • Twitter
          • Yahoo Answers
          • Answers.com
          And the list goes on, and on, and on, and on.

          The sky is falling and I live by the river.

          Another point. I BUILD autoblogs and yet I find myself looking something up on Google, clicking to read the article, and when I finish reading the informative article, I do a search test to realize WOW!!! I just got some information I wanted from a.....you geussed it AN AUTOBLOG.

          Total bunk.

          "My friend at Google"

          The small handful of people who actually work on the Google algo can almost be counted on one hand. I know, because I heard it from a dude who worked on the car of his barber, who heard it from a realtor, who has a sister who works in dildo factory, who heard it from a co-worker, that heard it from some guy with a GOLDEN VOICE on skid row in Columbus.
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          • Profile picture of the author cbpayne
            Originally Posted by TZ View Post

            Total bunk.
            Perhaps you can come over to the Google Webmaster help group and explain to all those with autoblogs why Google has been de-indexing them.
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            • Profile picture of the author Chris Sweeney
              Originally Posted by warriortx View Post

              Hi Warriors

              I was told by a close friend of mine that has a friend that works for google
              and he tells me that google is inches away of nailing auto blogs and dripping blogs which I think are the same and sending them to the sandbox which I believe because they can already nail most of the back linking software out there so beware.

              My question is has anyone heard anything?
              Well you were right, Google has been knocking out the auto-blogs a lot recently. You should probably keep that friend of your friend close by, squeeze as much info out of him as you can, and start a new thread about Google updates that people aren't supposed to know about. DO ITTTTTTT!
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            • Profile picture of the author Rsberg
              Originally Posted by cbpayne View Post

              Perhaps you can come over to the Google Webmaster help group and explain to all those with autoblogs why Google has been de-indexing them.
              I'd be curious to know what those people are doing that their sites are getting deindexed. Along with TZ (myself and many others) aren't having these problems...

              Then again, those I've spoken with (and myself) don't just throw together crap sites and hope for the best. That's probably the difference.
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  • Profile picture of the author coluden
    The sooner the rest of us can live and work effectively online in spite of anything Google does, the better it will be for all of us. I'll be the first one to ignore anything they say. I hear FB has now passed Google as having the most traffic online. Good for them. I'm for anything that DOES NOT PAY HOMAGE to Google.
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  • Profile picture of the author cashcow
    How would google know if a blog was an autoblog or a drip fed blog?

    Don't a lot of people who publish unique content drip feed it into their blog?

    If google is punishing sites that use backlink packages then what is to stop me from pointing one at my competitor?

    Of course, google wants to provide the best user experience in their search results and a lot of people that use autoblogging (and some of the automated linking packages) don't provide valuable sites.

    So, it makes sense that Goog would look for patterns of such sites.

    Like, maybe, sites that consist solely of duplicate Amazon products .... or sites that only have RSS feeds as their content .... or sites whose backlinks consist only of profile links. IMHO, this is more likely what they are up to.

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  • Profile picture of the author Matt Bard
    Google has been making this statement for years yet people complain about it after they have already been told not to do it.

    "...if you're scraping content from other sites and republishing it, or if you republish content without adding any additional value. These tactics are clearly outlined (and discouraged)..."

    You can also read their Quality Guidelines below:

    Quality guidelines - basic principles
    • Make pages primarily for users, not for search engines. Don't deceive your users or present different content to search engines than you display to users, which is commonly referred to as "cloaking."
    • Avoid tricks intended to improve search engine rankings. A good rule of thumb is whether you'd feel comfortable explaining what you've done to a website that competes with you. Another useful test is to ask, "Does this help my users? Would I do this if search engines didn't exist?"
    • Don't participate in link schemes designed to increase your site's ranking or PageRank. In particular, avoid links to web spammers or "bad neighborhoods" on the web, as your own ranking may be affected adversely by those links.
    • Don't use unauthorized computer programs to submit pages, check rankings, etc. Such programs consume computing resources and violate our Terms of Service. Google does not recommend the use of products such as WebPosition Gold™ that send automatic or programmatic queries to Google.
    Quality guidelines - specific guidelines
    The above quotes from Google Webmaster Central

    From the "Provide unique and relevant content link:

    "If your site has been removed from our search results, review our Webmaster Guidelines for more information. Once you've made your changes and are confident that your site no longer violates our guidelines, submit your site for reconsideration."

    "If your site has been removed from our search results..."
    "...confident that your site no longer violates our guidelines,"

    I don't know why people are so surprised at the idea of this happening.
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    • Profile picture of the author Intrepreneur
      Originally Posted by Matt Maiden View Post

      Google has been making this statement for years yet people complain about it after they have already been told not to do it.

      "...if you're scraping content from other sites and republishing it, or if you republish content without adding any additional value. These tactics are clearly outlined (and discouraged)..."

      Have you used Google lately?

      It seems they are fully rewarding the autoblog news sites out there. Every time I've clicked (for the past week or more) on a "news result" when searching, I have landed on an autoblog.

      They obviously have some sort of favoritism factor in their guidelines too because I and many others tried to get an autoblog through the G News approval yet it wasn't accepted.
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      • Profile picture of the author Matt Bard
        Originally Posted by Intrepreneur View Post

        Have you used Google lately?

        It seems they are fully rewarding the autoblog news sites out there. Every time I've clicked (for the past week or more) on a "news result" when searching, I have landed on an autoblog.

        They obviously have some sort of favoritism factor in their guidelines too because I and many others tried to get an autoblog through the G News approval yet it wasn't accepted.
        Just what I said. They are going to approve the sites they favor. Why shouldn't they? It's their business.

        Again, if the Washington Post and you were using the same techniques for gathering and publishing content, why should they view you as an equal to the Washington Post?

        No disrespect to you, but do you think that you are on the same publishing level as the Washington Post?

        Of course Google allows automated, duplicated, syndicated, and "scraped" content. They also get to choose which sites they will allow to do it and which sites they won't.

        Why does it have to be fair? It's their business. It's their database.
        They can put in anyone they want. They can also drop anyone that they want.

        This whole argument that because the Washington Post can do it, therefore I can do it, is the myth.

        For those people that say "it hasn't happened to me and I have been doing this so it doesn't happen" is like me saying that because I have never been thrown out of McDonald's and I have never seen anyone thrown out of McDonald's I can conclude that nobody gets thrown out of McDonald's.
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        • Profile picture of the author Intrepreneur
          Matt I am not talking about established businesses here.

          I am talking about some random bills who go out and buy domain name.. harveysnews.com then start publishing automatic news content to their blog and are accepted into Google News within the first few weeks of doing so.

          I am seeing more and more of these sites every day. Maybe it's an inside job because I know many people who have tried to get theirs included and failed whereas there's thousands of them already in there profiting away without doing much hard work at all.
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          • Profile picture of the author Matt Bard
            Originally Posted by Intrepreneur View Post

            Matt I am not talking about established businesses here. I am talking about some random bills who go out and buy domain name.
            I get that, but like John McCabe alluded to in his post (#28) when he said "yet" I too believe that it won't be long before those "random bills" you are talking about will be weeded out too.

            Look, just because a few people always seem to get over on the system doesn't mean that the system, in this case Google, accepts it and says it's ok.

            I remember as a teen getting pulled over for speeding and as the officer was writing the ticket I told him about the other cars around me that had to be going the same speed as me and asked why they didn't get pulled over.

            "Because I pulled you over. Not them." He replied.
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            • Profile picture of the author Crew Chief
              Originally Posted by Howard_Aulsbrook View Post

              I believe that Micheal Jackson faked his death, too.
              Yep, his hair is burned BUT, MJ is not dead! Anyone in the know, knows this to be a factual statement.

              Originally Posted by Intrepreneur View Post

              Matt I am not talking about established businesses here.

              I am talking about some random bills who go out and buy domain name.. harveysnews.com then start publishing automatic news content to their blog and are accepted into Google News within the first few weeks of doing so.

              I am seeing more and more of these sites every day. Maybe it's an inside job because I know many people who have tried to get theirs included and failed whereas there's thousands of them already in there profiting away without doing much hard work at all.
              It's not an inside JOB. Some people just followed the proper procedures and protocol while others tried to beat the GNews system with a myriad of easily identifiable shortcuts and got slammed.

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  • Profile picture of the author tylerdrun
    Google is a search engine. It's job is to find relevant content for it's users based on the queries they enter. (They want the 100% share and want to knock Yahoo and MSN completely out of business). So they gotta attract more by being more relevant.

    A few years ago even Google's relevancy was same as Yahoo. IN fact, there was a time when I found MSN results to be better than Google's. So google is battling these guys out as well to ensure they get the 100% market share.

    Google's search quality improved and more people began using it.

    If your autoblogs have relevant content, Google will obviously continue to rank such sites. Or Google'll go out of business.

    If autoblogs tend to provide spun unreadable contnet, Google will want to put those sites out of business.

    Google is having a hard time taking care of relevance. It's not going to care if you are building billions of links to your website as long as your site's optimized and has a low bounce rate.

    Google cares about bounce rate(it tells Google whether the site had the content the user was looking for). The bounce rate will only affect the position of your rankings.

    But your rankings are mainly determined by the no. of links you build. Now google is totally cool with letting sites rank that have RELEVANT content on them.

    "Make pages primarily for users, not for search engines. Don't deceive your users or present different content to search engines than you display to users, which is commonly referred to as cloaking."

    - Duplicate content isn't something Google cares about. Google is cool with it.
    - If content's duplicate, Google is going to rank the site that it perceives to be as the source/higher authority.

    Your autoblogs will not be banned by Google. And that is not Google's job. Let's say A is a BlueFart marketer with 1000 autoblogs.

    Now he wants to check his autoblog, so he inputs asautoblog.com in the search engine.

    It's the job of Google to provide him the result. As a search engine, Google's supposed to do just that.

    Auto generated content will only have an effect on your ranking. " Provide unique and relevant content that gives users a reason to visit your site first."

    If autoblogs provide unique and relevant content, Google is going to index it. But if it finds the same content on let's say wikipedia, its going to rank wikipedia higher and not you.

    Why? Coz Wikipedia article has links to it and has authority.

    I'd say autoblogs are a short term business model because you are only expecting the visitor to stay a while until they click on an adsense ad. Poor bounce rate, poor rankings in the long run.

    Now if you're using auto blogs to build a list, that is a different case scenario(you are trying to provide value with your list).
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    • Profile picture of the author Jacob Martus
      Originally Posted by tylerdrun View Post


      Google is having a hard time taking care of relevance. It's not going to care if you are building billions of links to your website as long as your site's optimized and has a low bounce rate.

      Google cares about bounce rate(it tells Google whether the site had the content the user was looking for). The bounce rate will only affect the position of your rankings.

      I'd say autoblogs are a short term business model because you are only expecting the visitor to stay a while until they click on an adsense ad. Poor bounce rate, poor rankings in the long run.
      For the most part I agree with a lot of what you said. But the bounce rate thing is a bit off. There is no way for Google to determine bounce rates for sites that do not have analytics installed.

      If something like bounce rate affected rankings, you can bet, there would be people out there selling their services to browse your site.
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      • Profile picture of the author aandersen
        Originally Posted by Jacob Martus View Post

        For the most part I agree with a lot of what you said. But the bounce rate thing is a bit off. There is no way for Google to determine bounce rates for sites that do not have analytics installed.

        If something like bounce rate affected rankings, you can bet, there would be people out there selling their services to browse your site.

        really?

        So, if I searched something on google, clicked something in the result, and then within 20 seconds was back on google doing a new search for the same subject, google wouldn't be able to tell?

        I'm not saying their calculations are that simple, but come on! They are algorithmic masters, and I'm sure they have some type of bouncing algo worked in with all the rest of their thousands of criteria.

        Whether or not they are using such a metric (or how much value they place on it) is questionable, but to deny their ability to track such a thing is just wrong.
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        • Profile picture of the author tpw
          Originally Posted by aandersen View Post

          really?

          So, if I searched something on google, clicked something in the result, and then within 20 seconds was back on google doing a new search for the same subject, google wouldn't be able to tell?

          I'm not saying their calculations are that simple, but come on! They are algorithmic masters, and I'm sure they have some type of bouncing algo worked in with all the rest of their thousands of criteria.

          Whether or not they are using such a metric (or how much value they place on it) is questionable, but to deny their ability to track such a thing is just wrong.

          This would have been my answer too...

          Additionally, Google now owns DoubleClick, which allows Google to follow you after you leave Google.

          There was a time when you could log out of Google, and they would not be able to track your activities after you left Google. Those days are gone. Google now follows you everywhere you go, whether you are logged in or not, so long as their DoubleClick cookie is on your hard drive.

          If you click through to a website listing in their results, and you leave in less than 30 seconds, that will ding the page receiving the click.
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          • Profile picture of the author Jacob Martus
            Originally Posted by tpw View Post


            If you click through to a website listing in their results, and you leave in less than 30 seconds, that will ding the page receiving the click.
            Where did you get this information? Never heard that one before.

            Google now "dings" pages that don't hold a visitor's attention for 30 seconds? What about when the user clicks an Adsense ad? Are they really "dinging" pages that make use of their products effectively?

            What about if a user gets an important call and closes their browser before the 30 seconds? What if a user clicks through on a link to a different website? Why 30 seconds? Why not 45?

            This is doubtful to me, but if you can show me where you read this or show me some sort of something that shows this to be accurate, I will change my thoughts.
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            • Profile picture of the author cashcow
              Originally Posted by Jacob Martus View Post

              Google now "dings" pages that don't hold a visitor's attention for 30 seconds? What about when the user clicks an Adsense ad? Are they really "dinging" pages that make use of their products effectively?
              When they click an ad, then Google pushes your site up in the SERPS......
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              • Profile picture of the author Ken
                Originally Posted by cashcow View Post

                When they click an ad, then Google pushes your site up in the SERPS......
                As odd as this may seem, I've also noticed an improvement in my
                position when ad clicks rise. When they fall off for a few days I
                lose one or two positions. It seems fairly consistent.

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              • Profile picture of the author Tom Goodwin
                Originally Posted by cashcow View Post

                When they click an ad, then Google pushes your site up in the SERPS......

                Holy crap, what? You should ask for your money back from whoever told you that.


                Also, it would open up Google to a whole slew of click fraud possibilities as false/fraudulent clicks --> better SERP ranking.
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            • Profile picture of the author Bill Farnham
              Originally Posted by Jacob Martus View Post

              Google now "dings" pages that don't hold a visitor's attention for 30 seconds? What about when the user clicks an Adsense ad? Are they really "dinging" pages that make use of their products effectively?

              What about if a user gets an important call and closes their browser before the 30 seconds? What if a user clicks through on a link to a different website? Why 30 seconds? Why not 45?

              This is doubtful to me, but if you can show me where you read this or show me some sort of something that shows this to be accurate, I will change my thoughts.
              Jacob,

              In a large sense, the kiss of death is a majority of searchers who click the back button within seconds of clicking on a serp result thus landing back on their original search. This is easy to track.

              It serves no one for any search engine to present results like they did in the old days of Alta Vista, as an example.

              As a side note let's talk about data gathering for just a second...

              Most people have no idea about the amount of data that can be collected in a very short time. Data that is useful and can be acted upon to help improve any given desired result.

              How about 27 Terrabytes of information.

              That's a lot of information to be gathered. A lot of data points to help pinpoint certain aspects of a program and gathered in a very short period of time.

              Here's a surprise...

              That 27 Terrabytes of information I'm referring to is what is collected by a Formula One team on each car at each race. 27 Terrabytes of data from one car at one race.

              Now imagine for a moment how much data collection Google is able to muster in the course of monitoring search queries and the actions taken by the searchers. I imagine it's a lot more than you would get from one race car over the course of one race.

              In fact, a stagering amount of data would be my guess as I have no clue not having researched their capabilities. But if they have the proverbial bell curve on how searchers should behave, and my guess is they've had one for a long time, I'm also willing to believe they can spot what's up regarding how their users think, act, and respond to most listings.

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              • Profile picture of the author Jacob Martus
                Originally Posted by Bill Farnham View Post

                Jacob,

                In a large sense, the kiss of death is a majority of searchers who click the back button within seconds of clicking on a serp result thus landing back on their original search. This is easy to track.

                In fact, a stagering amount of data would be my guess as I have no clue not having researched their capabilities. But if they have the proverbial bell curve on how searchers should behave, and my guess is they've had one for a long time, I'm also willing to believe they can spot what's up regarding how their users think, act, and respond to most listings.

                ~Bill
                Bill,

                I'm not arguing that its good if searchers click the back button immediately upon landing at your page. Just saying that it is my opinion which is backed up by experience and research that Google does not factor such a metric into their algorithm. Much more so than inbound links, metrics like that could be gamed with ease. Obviously if a user is clicking the back button immediately, you've got some things to work on. There are however a lot of reasons for a great website to have a high bounce rate.

                Google cannot measure bounce rate for sites that do not have analytics installed. Not every visitor to your site will enter from Google, so how are they supposed to measure bounce rate from visitors to your site that arrive via an alternative source? They can't unless you have analytics installed.

                I have seen no reliable indication or evidence that Google uses bounce rate or average time on site in its algorithm and I am far from the only person who feels this way.
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                • Profile picture of the author Matt Bard
                  Originally Posted by Jacob Martus View Post

                  ...it is my opinion which is backed up by experience and research that Google...
                  No one outside of Google can possibly test a large enough sampling to be statistically valid - there are too many variables to test.

                  In the same way that a lot of folks here have said that Google banning or penalizing is a myth and hearsay, personal experience and "research" when it comes to Google is pure anecdotal.

                  The very best way to deal with Google is not to take someone's personal advice, but to read the TOS (Terms Of Service and try understand their standards) and do your very best to create original content that you would be proud of.

                  When anyone starts off wondering what they "can get away with" they are building a house of cards and shouldn't come in here crying when it comes tumbling down.
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                  • Profile picture of the author Tom Goodwin
                    Originally Posted by Matt Maiden View Post


                    The very best way to deal with Google is not to take someone's personal advice, but to read the TOS (Terms Of Service and try understand their standards) ...

                    Good luck with that:rolleyes: Google is about as two-faced as a company can be, and most of its dribble it puts out is to manipulate webmasters into doing its bidding and to increase its bottom line. I encourage people to actually think for themselves rather than mindlessly following others' advice, including Google's advice.

                    In any event, note that while Google does have a TOS with their products Adsense, Analytics and Webmaster Tools, Google does not have a TOS with respect to the types of sites to be included in its search engine and the ranking standards with respect to those sites. I hear that on here on WF quite often by people who don't understand what a TOS actually consists of.
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                • Profile picture of the author Black Hat Cat
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                  Originally Posted by Jacob Martus View Post

                  Not every visitor to your site will enter from Google, so how are they supposed to measure bounce rate from visitors to your site that arrive via an alternative source?
                  Maybe they can't, but why would they? Since it's their index they're trying to improve/maintain, it makes sense that they would only be concerned about visitors that arrive from Google sources.

                  Don't know whether they're using it as part of their algorithm, but some of you are pretty naive if you don't think they can measure bounce rate.
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              • Profile picture of the author bgmacaw
                Originally Posted by Bill Farnham View Post

                In a large sense, the kiss of death is a majority of searchers who click the back button within seconds of clicking on a serp result thus landing back on their original search. This is easy to track.
                See my up coming WSO:

                Crack The Bounce Rate Code and
                CRUSH YOUR COMPETITION!!!!


                Our human-like auto-surfer technology will insure that your competitors bounce rate skyrockets. They will be sandboxed or even penalized as a spam site by Google! Your site will naturally rise to the top of the heap!

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                • Profile picture of the author paulie888
                  Originally Posted by bgmacaw View Post

                  See my up coming WSO:

                  Crack The Bounce Rate Code and
                  CRUSH YOUR COMPETITION!!!!


                  Our human-like auto-surfer technology will insure that your competitors bounce rate skyrockets. They will be sandboxed or even penalized as a spam site by Google! Your site will naturally rise to the top of the heap!

                  As an ADDED BONUS our auto-surfers will linger on your site and make it appear to Google as if you have 1000's of interested readers!!! You'll get server crushing traffic literally overnight on autopilot!!!

                  Get our service for only month for a limited time only! Only 100 members will be accepted at this price!!! Get it before your competitors do!!!

                  :rolleyes::rolleyes:
                  Absolutely hilarious! I had a good laugh over this short blurb...lol.
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              • Profile picture of the author Tom Goodwin
                Originally Posted by Bill Farnham View Post

                In a large sense, the kiss of death is a majority of searchers who click the back button within seconds of clicking on a serp result thus landing back on their original search. This is easy to track.

                Google does not, in any way, use bounce rate (including clicking the "back" button) for SERP rankings.

                On my micro niche sites (~50 sites), I typically have 85-90% bounce rate. If you consider an average of 15% Adsense CTR, then that is 70-75% who simply click the back button through Google.

                Every single one of the sites has at least 1 page in the top 5 of Google for the page's targeted keyword.
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                • Profile picture of the author Bill Farnham
                  Originally Posted by Jacob Martus View Post

                  Google cannot measure bounce rate for sites that do not have analytics installed. Not every visitor to your site will enter from Google, so how are they supposed to measure bounce rate from visitors to your site that arrive via an alternative source? They can't unless you have analytics installed.

                  I have seen no reliable indication or evidence that Google uses bounce rate or average time on site in its algorithm and I am far from the only person who feels this way.
                  Jacob,

                  We're on the same page with this one. Sort of.

                  I'm not including bounce rate in my assertation. That is a different subset of what I'm talking about. I am only alluding to Google as the entry portal and as such limiting the conversation to folks hitting the back button and landing back on the original Google search. That does come into play, and Google records it.

                  If you believe that a webpage can maintain a top ranking and have a back button return average of 2.3 seconds before the searcher returns to the original search and clicks on another link you have my blessing.


                  Originally Posted by Tom Goodwin View Post

                  Google does not, in any way, use bounce rate (including clicking the "back" button) for SERP rankings.
                  Tom,

                  Again, I am not saying I am aware of Google using bounce rate for a determining factor. See my above comments.

                  ~Bill
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                  • Profile picture of the author bgmacaw
                    Originally Posted by Bill Farnham View Post

                    If you believe that a webpage can maintain a top ranking and have a back button return average of 2.3 seconds before the searcher returns to the original search and clicks on another link you have my blessing.
                    If you can demonstrate actual, real world, proof of this, I'll be happy to make my parody product a reality.
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                    • Profile picture of the author Bill Farnham
                      Originally Posted by bgmacaw View Post

                      If you can demonstrate actual, real world, proof of this, I'll be happy to make my parody product a reality.
                      Why don't you just do it and rely on your own experience.

                      Or better yet...if you have a good size responsive list have them search for your killer keyword, click on your site and then immediately hit the back button and click on another link below you in the serp to a website you want to see if you can drive up the rankings by having them stay on the site for a bit and not return to the serp page.

                      If you have a good size list you should be able to reverse the proccess, drive your site back up to the top, and sell the report with actual data and cash in.

                      You have nothing to lose...

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                      • Profile picture of the author bgmacaw
                        Originally Posted by Bill Farnham View Post

                        Or better yet...if you have a good size responsive list have them search for your killer keyword
                        I don't build a IM list because I feel the same way about most IM related email marketing that many list builders around here feel about autoblogs.

                        Like Tom, Jacob and others, I've seen zero evidence that bounce rate has any bearing on ranking.

                        Further, I understand a lot about statistical pattern matching and software development. I'm confident that bounce rate can't be used as an accurate measure of the value of the site and it is a very easy stat to skew in a number of ways. You don't even need a fictional auto-surfer program to reduce your bounce rate, just a provocative picture.
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                        • Profile picture of the author Bill Farnham
                          BG,

                          You and Jacob keep metioning 'bounce rate' in your arguements and I am not sure our definition of bounce rate is the same thing. I'm not talking about bounch rate because bounces also include factors such as shutting your browser down after visiting a web page.

                          I'm talking specifically about 'return to search' and that is a different animal.

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                          • Profile picture of the author bgmacaw
                            Originally Posted by Bill Farnham View Post

                            I'm talking specifically about 'return to search' and that is a different animal.
                            It's a subset of bounce rate that still can be easily gamed. It also can be made inaccurate by various user actions, such as opening results links in multiple tabs, content types, ad blocking and other things.

                            As for my own visitors statistics across a few hundred sites, what I see is that I typically have a higher bounce rate on my informational sites than I do my marketing niche sites. The informational sites typically have better, more in-depth, content than the niche marketing sites but aren't designed to capture the casual surfer's interest nor are they catering to buyers. But, if bounce or 'return to search' was a factor, the informational sites, sites that it's claimed that Google loves, wouldn't rank as well as they do.
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                            • Profile picture of the author Bill Farnham
                              Originally Posted by bgmacaw View Post

                              As for my own visitors statistics across a few hundred sites, what I see is that I typically have a higher bounce rate on my informational sites than I do my marketing niche sites.
                              Help me out a bit here...what is your definition of "bounce rate"?

                              ~Bill
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                              • Profile picture of the author bgmacaw
                                Originally Posted by Bill Farnham View Post

                                Help me out a bit here...what is your definition of "bounce rate"?
                                You're right, I should have defined these terms better. We've kind of been throwing two related, but different, terms around under the umbrella of bounce rate. Bounce rate would be the percentage of viewers that leave after viewing one page of a site. Exit rate would be amount of time spent on a page before exiting.

                                Some popular sites are inherently 'bouncy' such as Digg or Drudge Report. Informational sites can also be bouncy as visitors arrive to view one piece of info and leave. Niche marketing sites also can be bouncy but can also encourage browsing.

                                A fast exit rate can be also be quite natural for sites like Digg and Drudge.
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                  • Profile picture of the author tpw
                    Originally Posted by Bill Farnham View Post

                    Jacob,

                    We're on the same page with this one. Sort of.

                    I'm not including bounce rate in my assertation. That is a different subset of what I'm talking about. I am only alluding to Google as the entry portal and as such limiting the conversation to folks hitting the back button and landing back on the original Google search. That does come into play, and Google records it.

                    If you believe that a webpage can maintain a top ranking and have a back button return average of 2.3 seconds before the searcher returns to the original search and clicks on another link you have my blessing.

                    Jacob: This is also where I am at on the topic of bounce rate.

                    I am not talking about Google Analytics or traffic sourced from any third-party websites.


                    I am suggesting that if a searcher clicks a link in Google's search results, goes to the page, and hits the Back button in less than 30 seconds or 15 seconds or 5 seconds, that is a reliable measure that Google can process to determine the relevance of a particular web page in that set of search results.

                    Google knows what the average bounce rate is for the average site.

                    I have sites that bounce 80% within 30 seconds. I have others that bounce 60% of visitors within 30 seconds. My site statistics don't measure under 30 seconds.

                    But as the source of an incredible amount of traffic to third-party websites, Google should have a clue what is average and what is not.

                    For the sake of the argument, let's suggest that 80% of web users hit the back button in 30 seconds. That would be the base-line.

                    If they are measuring the number of people that use the Back button in the search results, to go back to Google to try another search result, it would often be a valid assumption that the first-clicked site did not meet the search-users expectations on the particular search.

                    If the searcher uses another link to bounce, that is irrelevant, because the searcher found a reason to keep going forward, rather than going Back.

                    Honestly, Google Analytics is not a good tool to measure any of this data for Google's search index. Google Analytics, though widely used, still has a small footprint on the whole, therefore by taking from a small subset of information, Google would be shooting themselves in the foot to incorporate Google Analytics information into its search algorithms.

                    Google has said publicly that it does not use Google Analytics in its search algorithms.

                    That is fine, but you should never believe that Google is always telling you everything you need to know.
                    In fact, you should never always take Google at face value. Google through its various mouthpieces, including Matt Cutts, is in the business of telling us what they want us to know, instead of what we need to know.

                    When listening to Googler's talk, you should always be reading between the lines, because you can bet your bottom dollar that they are not giving you the full story.

                    I have read about Bounce Rates in Caffeine, from a number of SEO sources, and if I were a Google engineer, I would be incorporating Bounce Rates as I described it above.

                    I often try to put myself in the position of how I would do things if I were Google. And in doing so, I have managed to gain a lot of insight that has allowed me to keep thousands of page one Google rankings, in some cases, for many many years.

                    This past summer, Danny Sullivan interviewed Matt Cutts at SMX Advanced. During that interview Sullivan asked about bounce rates. This is how Sullivan described that exchange:

                    Bounce rate and rankings? Matt says Google Analytics is not used in the general ranking algorithm. “To the best of my knowledge, the rankings team does not use bounce rate in any way.” He tiptoed around this question a bit, choosing his words very carefully.

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                    Maybe that is the end of it, and maybe we should be reading between the lines.

                    All I know for sure is that I truly believe that the Back Button is a valid measure of whether one particular search result is relevant in a list of ten search results.

                    If I were a Google engineer, I would most likely include a "ding" to your website, if too many people used the Back Button to escape your website.

                    80% Bounce Rate or whatever is the baseline.

                    60% Bounce Rate is a good sign that the search result is a good result.

                    And a 95% Bounce Rate is also a good indicator that the search result should be given less importance in Google's search results.

                    You be the judge.
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                    • Profile picture of the author Dan C. Rinnert
                      Originally Posted by Rsberg View Post

                      Think about how much money Google would loose from Adsense Ads if Auto Blogs went away...
                      And how often do we hear about Google canceling the AdSense and/or AdWords accounts of IMers here? If they aren't afraid to drop them like hot potatoes, they're not going to give a second thought to auto-blogs, especially if their algorithms can distinguish between worthwhile and junky auto-blogs.

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                      I have heard from a responsibly reputable source that Elvis is not dead. He returned to his home planet.

                      Originally Posted by Matt Maiden View Post


                      You can also read their Quality Guidelines below:

                      Quality guidelines - basic principles
                      [LIST][*]Make pages primarily for users, not for search engines.
                      That bit, "Make pages primarily for users, not for search engines," is where a lot of marketers drop the ball, IMO.

                      Originally Posted by mojojuju View Post

                      I was told by a close friend of mine that has a friend that works for google (as a janitor)
                      and he tells me that google is inches away from banning Wordpress blogs from their index....
                      And 95% of them would probably not be missed. LOL.
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                      • Profile picture of the author Matt Bard
                        Originally Posted by Dan C. Rinnert View Post

                        That bit, "Make pages primarily for users, not for search engines," is where a lot of marketers drop the ball, IMO.
                        I agree. I also think that this other line from Google's Quality Guideline is important too,

                        "A good rule of thumb is whether you'd feel comfortable explaining what you've done to a website that competes with you."

                        So one could answer that "rule of thumb" above with:

                        "I have a better rank on Google above my competitors because I have been able to provide my visitors with more value".

                        Or,

                        "I have been able to rank above my competitors because I am more clever".

                        A lot of the heavy debates around here seem to come down to the difference between those that defend business as creating easy money, or profit, above all else, even without value and those that talk about providing value even if it means it's not as easy to create a profit.

                        I believe that when Google talks about trying to deliver quality, they are talking about getting to a place where there is an attempt at providing value and not just having the skill to rank for a keyword.

                        So if Google says that it wants you to attempt to provide value, and you are not trying to create any value above what a mindless software program can provide, then why should Google respect you if you don't respect them?
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                          Originally Posted by Matt Maiden View Post

                          So if Google says that it wants you to attempt to provide value, and you are not trying to create any value above what a mindless software program can provide, then why should Google respect you if you don't respect them?
                          Amen. And that's not sucking up to Google, I just think that is the right way to think, even though I have to confess to a few splogs of my own. When they get banned I just say, OK, fair cop!

                          And by the way, it's 'bans' (third person plural), not 'ban's' (possessive or contraction of 'ban is'), that's been bugging me the whole time! And Google can't BAN ANYTHING on the Internet, it doesn't actually belong to them!
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                    • Profile picture of the author Jacob Martus
                      Originally Posted by tpw View Post

                      I am suggesting that if a searcher clicks a link in Google's search results, goes to the page, and hits the Back button in less than 30 seconds or 15 seconds or 5 seconds, that is a reliable measure that Google can process to determine the relevance of a particular web page in that set of search results.

                      Google knows what the average bounce rate is for the average site.

                      If they are measuring the number of people that use the Back button in the search results, to go back to Google to try another search result, it would often be a valid assumption that the first-clicked site did not meet the search-users expectations on the particular search.

                      I have read about Bounce Rates in Caffeine, from a number of SEO sources, and if I were a Google engineer, I would be incorporating Bounce Rates as I described it above.
                      All I'm saying is that I've seen no reliable documentation, results, or anything at all to make me believe that it is incorporated into the ranking algorithm. Bg has already pointed out the various reasons why it wouldn't be a reliable ranking indicator. Certain sites are prone to have high bounce rates (your definition), yet their content could be top notch and relevant as all hell.

                      I too have many #1 rankings, some of which have very high bounce rates(your definition). High bounce rates don't mean irrelevant. They can mean a number of different things...one of which is that the searcher found exactly what they wanted and returned to Google for a new search.
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                        Originally Posted by Jacob Martus View Post

                        All I'm saying is that I've seen no reliable documentation, results, or anything at all to make me believe that it is incorporated into the ranking algorithm. Bg has already pointed out the various reasons why it wouldn't be a reliable ranking indicator. Certain sites are prone to have high bounce rates (your definition), yet their content could be top notch and relevant as all hell.

                        I too have many #1 rankings, some of which have very high bounce rates(your definition). High bounce rates don't mean irrelevant. They can mean a number of different things...one of which is that the searcher found exactly what they wanted and returned to Google for a new search.

                        They are or they aren't.

                        I don't know. I don't work for them.

                        I originally picked up my information along those lines from a reputable SEO Agency, whom I trusted at the time.

                        But you and I know how those guys play. The teach stuff that is going to allow them to sell more services.

                        Most SEO Myths entered into the mainstream, sourced from a SEO Company giving bad info.

                        All I can point to at this time is that Matt Cutts has said, "To the best of my knowledge," and Danny Sullivan said he was "choosing his words carefully."
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        • Profile picture of the author Jacob Martus
          Originally Posted by aandersen View Post

          really?

          So, if I searched something on google, clicked something in the result, and then within 20 seconds was back on google doing a new search for the same subject, google wouldn't be able to tell?

          I'm not saying their calculations are that simple, but come on! They are algorithmic masters, and I'm sure they have some type of bouncing algo worked in with all the rest of their thousands of criteria.

          Whether or not they are using such a metric (or how much value they place on it) is questionable, but to deny their ability to track such a thing is just wrong.
          Yes really.

          They could not reliably track bounce rate on websites that do not have their analytics installed. What if a searcher clicked a link immediately (or quickly) to a different site? This is just one of many scenarios in which a user does not return to the Google SERPS.
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          • Profile picture of the author CDarklock
            Originally Posted by Jacob Martus View Post

            They could not reliably track bounce rate on websites that do not have their analytics installed.
            That's like saying your employer can't tell how much time you spent in the bathroom because there are no cameras in the bathroom.

            If there are cameras everywhere else, the process of elimination comes into play, and you can be pretty sure that between the time you entered the bathroom and the time you left it... you were in the bathroom.

            Between the time you get on camera and the last time you were on camera, you must have been somewhere without cameras, and we know both the first and the last place you went without a camera.

            In the case of Google, you can take "camera" to mean analytics, AdSense, google.com itself, or anything at all when you have the toolbar installed and sharing your browsing habits.
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      • Profile picture of the author tylerdrun
        Originally Posted by Jacob Martus View Post

        For the most part I agree with a lot of what you said. But the bounce rate thing is a bit off. There is no way for Google to determine bounce rates for sites that do not have analytics installed.

        If something like bounce rate affected rankings, you can bet, there would be people out there selling their services to browse your site.
        If a user hits the back button immediately... Google tracks that especially if you are logged into Gmail/Google account.
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  • Profile picture of the author Teravel
    Google is a search engine. It's job is to find relevant content for it's users based on the queries they enter. (They want the 100% share and want to knock Yahoo and MSN completely out of business). So they gotta attract more by being more relevant.

    A few years ago even Google's relevancy was same as Yahoo. IN fact, there was a time when I found MSN results to be better than Google's. So google is battling these guys out as well to ensure they get the 100% market share.
    They will never have 100% as there are more search engines than just Google, Yahoo, and Bing (MSN). You are forgetting MySpace, Twitter, Facebook, Article Directories, YouTube (Movie directories), and all the other places that have built in search functions that are used on a daily basis.
    More searches are performed on YouTube and Facebook (each...) than on Google. That means Google is #3 or lower on the search engine rankings.
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  • Profile picture of the author mojojuju
    I was told by a close friend of mine that has a friend that works for google (as a janitor)
    and he tells me that google is inches away from banning Wordpress blogs from their index....

    My question is has anyone heard anything?
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    • Profile picture of the author Intrepreneur
      Originally Posted by mojojuju View Post

      I was told by a close friend of mine that has a friend that works for google (as a janitor)
      and he tells me that google is inches away from banning Wordpress blogs from their index....

      My question is has anyone heard anything?

      hehe ho ho ho.

      *removes all references* to Wordpress in my code.

      Ha.

      But seriously. IMO it's either an inside job that 50 thousand autoblogs are profiting away and ranking in Google news or that 50,000 other people are doing it wrong.

      I know which sounds more true.

      Because it seems.. you don't hear anyone round here talking about how their autoblog is in Google News.

      You don't buy guides round here that have taught autoblogging that gets people rich. Well I've yet to see anything worthy of the characters it's typed in.
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    • Profile picture of the author J Bold
      Originally Posted by mojojuju View Post

      I was told by a close friend of mine that has a friend that works for google (as a janitor)
      and he tells me that google is inches away from banning Wordpress blogs from their index....

      My question is has anyone heard anything?

      Hilarious, man. Thanks for the laugh.
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  • Profile picture of the author madison_avenue
    It's not true that you can damage a competitors ranking by sending it inbound links from software link packages. Google does not penalize a site for links such as these. What it may do, and does to, is to disregard those links so they give no positive benefit to the site nor does the site get a negative penalty.

    Google takes a neutral stance on these links by disregarding them. These links will therefore have no positive or negative affect on a site. Assuming of course Google is aware of them in the first place.
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  • Profile picture of the author Jake Moore
    You have to think big picture when you think on banning. Google has two goals. Their primary goal is to make money. How they do that is by driving the best user experience...or is it?

    If you were google would you really serve up the best possible search results? They only make money when people click. Now granted they have time and money and are going for the big picture so their time frames are much longer than ours. But they make more money in 2 particular situations. They make money if the search results are pretty close, but not quite on thus forcing the user to paid advertising. They also make money serving up top spots to adsense sites with highly relevant content that people will then click on. They don't make money by giving the user exactly what they want if it is a site that produces google no revenue. All that does is produce goodwill which is no doubt a significant item. But their best interests are to make us think they are going for the highest quality best authority results, while providing something less.

    For instance, remember the days when wikipedia was number 1 or 2 in virtually every search? That's not my experience any more. Same with .gov sites. I see good marketers chipping away at the rankings of both of those every day. Why? I don't know. Will it change if wikipedia every changes to an adsense model? I don't know. But you've got to think like google.

    Why is there all the news about various google slaps and debate about whether there is even a sandbox? Google could easily end the sandbox debate, but they want the general public to think they are weeding out sites. Same with slaps. They could easily roll those out gradually, but they prefer the massive free press from an all at once slap that makes it look like they are only about user experience. But even google would not last indefinitely if people were not clicking ads.

    Do what works. If it doesn't work try something else. And diversify your traffic as much as is practicable. For me, autoblogging is still working, but it is not the only thing I do.
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  • Profile picture of the author Ryan Even
    Most autoblogs I've seen unfortunately are very low quality and don't deserve to get rankings (an unpopular thing for a marketer to say I know).

    As long as they get rid of the junk without getting rid of legitimate news sites I think it's a good thing.
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  • Profile picture of the author paulie888
    It's best not to believe all the rumors and accusations flying around without properly analyzing the core issue first. We all know Google wants relevancy and rewards it, so let's look at autoblogs and see how they fit into the picture.

    Autoblog software by its very nature is dumb and cannot analyze the content it is putting on your blog for relevancy and accuracy. It just trawls the internet and searches for content that has the keywords you want. Some may be good content that fits in with the overall theme and message that your blog is trying to convey, and some may be utter trash.

    Let's think about what the average autoblogger does now. I believe that the majority feel that they can set the software on autopilot and then totally forget about it. Guess what happens next? Your autoblog gets messy, and filled with a ton of irrelevant and nonsensical content. If you don't closely monitor what content your autoblog software is using, you're going to end up with pure garbage. Period.

    Guess what happens next? Google is going to realize, sooner or later, that your blog is full of useless and irrelevant content. It's only a matter of time before your autoblog drops in the rankings (if it was even ranked to begin with) as a result.

    I don't know why people keep thinking (as evidence by the sheer number of threads started in here) that autoblogging is some 'set and forget' method. Nothing could be further from the truth. With the mass population of content all over the internet, it has become more vital than ever to monitor your autoblog's content, and so in my book this could never be considered an autopilot method.

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  • Profile picture of the author slw615
    Man all this makes my head spin! I have never been able to figure out why google would ban adsense sites - Adsense makes them money. If someone understands their logic please tell me.
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  • Profile picture of the author N4PGW
    Originally Posted by warriortx View Post

    Hi Warriors

    I was told by a close friend of mine that has a friend that works for google
    and he tells me that google is inches away of nailing auto blogs and dripping blogs which I think are the same and sending them to the sandbox which I believe because they can already nail most of the back linking software out there so beware.

    My question is has anyone heard anything?
    I have. In fact, I think I have heard that several times over the past three years. Everytime Google makes a change to their algarythm, I seem to hear it.

    The result always seems to be the same, tho, AutoSpammers get nailed and AutoBloggers keep right on keeping on.

    It is the Content, not the method that will get sandboxed. Offer something of value and what is wanted by the searcher and you will be fine.
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  • Profile picture of the author Fallen_Angel
    Google is great, rumours are greater. I never put all eggs in one basket. If your online presence is based only on google traffic . Most of my traffic comes from other places anyway. Besides even if your site were sandboxed, you can still show on google using good articles and videos.
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    • Profile picture of the author celente
      Originally Posted by Fallen_Angel View Post

      Google is great, rumours are greater. I never put all eggs in one basket. If your online presence is based only on google traffic . Most of my traffic comes from other places anyway. Besides even if your site were sandboxed, you can still show on google using good articles and videos.
      Totally agree here.

      That whole "never put all your eggs" cliche applies to everything, investing in stocks, business, mutual funds, assets etc. But especially IM.

      We all know how quickly google changes (algorith etc), and not to mention the internet all together.
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  • Profile picture of the author azad
    I tried autoblogs but didn't get much success. I don't support autoblogs as they are not providing value to readers so thus Google. IMO
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  • Profile picture of the author cheaterscode
    Oh yeah, thanks for the news,. auto blogging is killing me
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    • Profile picture of the author affhelper
      Originally Posted by warriortx View Post

      Wow, lots of great OPINIONS! I hope Im wrong
      You are not wrong.

      Think of SERPS as a garden. In every garden you got weeds(autoblogs, scraper sites)
      that need to be taken out because it hurts the flowers. Google (the gardener)
      takes care of their garden and will do whatever it takes so the weeds don't kill their flowers.

      (Sometimes when killing the weeds flowers get hurt)
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    • Profile picture of the author paulie888
      Originally Posted by warriortx View Post

      Wow, lots of great OPINIONS! I hope Im wrong
      I'm quite sure you are. It's definitely not a blanket 'ban' that will affect all autoblogs, though it could certainly affect the ones that have dubious and irrelevant content. It's funny how rumors like this can get started just because one or two people run into problems due to incorrect implementation of a system.

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  • Profile picture of the author Sheryl Polomka
    Ok I heard from a friend of a friend, who's aunts sisters brothers wifes mothers grandma works for Google - she cleans the toilets.

    She says that Google is going to get rid of Wordpress blogs, html sites, autoblogs, any website with a backlink and any site that is over 500 pages long!


    She also said that her sons uncles friends sisters boyfriend is living somewhere in Africa with Elvis, Michael Jackson and Princess Diana!
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    Is that true? sad
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  • Profile picture of the author N4PGW
    Google is not blind. I don't know all the details of it, but the Google Dart sure tells a lot. Google's customers are its searchers. If it finds that 99% of the customers searching for a particular term like my site, is there a reason for Google to terminate it?

    Autoblogging won't be eliminated. Sure, Google may find a few footprints and trash some, but when they do, the Autobloggers will invent a different way that Google has not analyzed out yet.

    In the end, your list of buyers will be your best source of income.
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    • Profile picture of the author bgmacaw
      Originally Posted by N4PGW View Post

      In the end, your list of buyers will be your best source of income.
      I sell advertising space. Google is one of my buyers. So is Amazon, eBay and various companies represented by CJ and others. That's my 'list'. End users of products aren't my customers any more than people driving by a billboard are the customers for an outdoor advertising company.
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    • Profile picture of the author JohnHuizinga
      Originally Posted by N4PGW View Post

      Google is not blind. I don't know all the details of it, but the Google Dart sure tells a lot. Google's customers are its searchers. If it finds that 99% of the customers searching for a particular term like my site, is there a reason for Google to terminate it?

      Autoblogging won't be eliminated. Sure, Google may find a few footprints and trash some, but when they do, the Autobloggers will invent a different way that Google has not analyzed out yet.

      In the end, your list of buyers will be your best source of income.
      I agree with most of this, except for one small point.

      Google's customers are not it's searchers. Google's customers are it's advertisers. The searchers are the product.

      Ultimately, Google has to maintain market share while keeping its paying customer's happy. It's not straightforward; it's a balancing act.

      Too far in one direction and you lose product to the other search engines and revenue goes down.

      Too far in the other direction and you lose customers to the other search engines and revenue goes down.
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      • Profile picture of the author Bill Farnham
        Originally Posted by JohnHuizinga View Post

        Google's customers are not it's searchers. Google's customers are it's advertisers. The searchers are the product.
        Google was a search engine long before they instituted Adwords.

        Google's customers absolutely include those using the service for search.

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  • Profile picture of the author Shannon Herod
    Dude, my uncles mother's brothers, sisters cousin cuts the lawn for a guy who's janitor is the cousin of an executive at Google and they said that they're buying Facebook
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    • Profile picture of the author BayAreaSteve
      Originally Posted by Shannon Herod View Post

      Dude, my uncles mother's brothers, sisters cousin cuts the lawn for a guy who's janitor is the cousin of an executive at Google and they said that they're buying Facebook
      No S*&T
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    • Profile picture of the author paulie888
      Originally Posted by Shannon Herod View Post

      Dude, my uncles mother's brothers, sisters cousin cuts the lawn for a guy who's janitor is the cousin of an executive at Google and they said that they're buying Facebook
      It's incredible how these rumors get started, and we seem to be hearing about many of them in this forum lately. Seems like many newbies like to rush in here and ask for opinions when they hear this or that is 'dead'...lol!
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  • Profile picture of the author The Copy Nazi
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    Google Bans People That Write "Ban's" When They Mean "Bans"

    A friend of a friend told me that Google is about to come down heavy on people who put an apostrophe where it has no right to be.

    The apostrophe means one of two things - ownership or a missing letter. It's (it is) not needed here. Another common misuse is -

    Never use an apostrophe to indicate a plural. The incorrect use of an apostrophe to form the plural is called the greengrocer's apostrophe, since grocers are often the worst (or at least the most visible) offenders. If you have more than one apple, then write apples, not apple's. If you cannot replace the word with "his," "her," "their" or "its" and if it isn't a contraction, then an apostrophe should not be used.
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    • Profile picture of the author warriortx
      Originally Posted by Metronicity View Post

      Google Bans People That Write "Ban's" When They Mean "Bans"



      A friend of a friend told me that Google is about to come down heavy on people who put an apostrophe where it has no right to be.

      The apostrophe means one of two things - ownership or a missing letter. It's (it is) not needed here. Another common misuse is -

      LOL, I was wondering if anyone would mention that.
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      • Profile picture of the author The Copy Nazi
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        Originally Posted by warriortx View Post

        LOL, I was wondering if anyone would mention that.
        BTW it's "Video Spokesperson" not "Video Spokes Person".
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        • Profile picture of the author warriortx
          Originally Posted by Metronicity View Post

          BTW it's "Video Spokesperson" not "Video Spokes Person".

          I know thanks it gets more hits that way for some reason.
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          • Profile picture of the author Crew Chief
            Originally Posted by warriortx View Post

            My beef is most of mine disappeared
            You lost me on that one at, "Hello..."

            Originally Posted by Rsberg View Post

            I don't care who you are, thats damn funny!!!
            This whole thread has been a comedic hoot!

            If Google bans auto blogs and blog dripping, they would conversely have to ban:
            • The GNews system and all of the sites that if feeds on an automated basis
            • The Google shopping system; that's all automated auto drip
            • Feedburner, which as everyone knows is a automated content delivery system
            • And a host of other Google systems that do exactly the same thing that auto blogs and blog drip feeds do.
            Ok, so I stuck it out in this thread just for those who were under the false impression that Google is against auto blogs and against blog dripping; that is simply not the case, no matter where you heard it from.

            To be clear, there is a segment of individuals and IMers who are passionately and adamantly against various IM systems, strategies, tactics and tools.

            Mention the thing/system/strategy/IM Tool that they are against and they will come out of their cocoon with all guns blazing infusing the air with their personal vents, angers and traction-less diatribes.

            Debating with them is like trying to hold hot water in a brown paper bag; eventually that bag is going to burst and when it does, it is going to scald all those who are near.

            I know of a number of IMers who are against Adsense; they SWEAR no one can make money with Adsense. Even in light of the fact that I make money with Adsense, THEY try and convince me that it is not possible?

            Good luck with that...

            Know this, as far as IM goes, when a person is against a thing/system/strategy/tactic/IM Tool, you have got to identify them and then follow these two rules to the letter:

            (1). Never debate with them; that's akin to having a Republican vs. Democrat debate. No one ever wins; not even the truth!
            (2). Use comedy as your tool of choice to respond to them. Why? Think it through and the light bulb will turn on...



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            • Profile picture of the author Stephen Crooks
              Originally Posted by Crew Chief View Post

              You lost me on that one at, "Hello..."
              This whole thread has been a comedic hoot!
              Its been alright but I wouldn't give up the day job..

              Ok, so I stuck it out in this thread just for those who were under the false impression that Google is against auto blogs and against blog dripping; that is simply not the case, no matter where you heard it from.
              True, but they don't welcome the sort of crap that possibly 80% of auto-generated content is. Far to many people just don't know how to use automated tools the right way and settle for keyword stuffed nonsense.

              To be clear, there is a segment of individuals and IMers who are passionately and adamantly against various IM systems, strategies, tactics and tools.
              Who?? Let me at 'em.. Let me at 'em!

              Mention the thing/system/strategy/IM Tool that they are against and they will come out of their cocoon with all guns blazing infusing the air with their personal vents, angers and traction-less diatribes.
              Its called opinion and debate isn't it? :confused:

              Debating with them is like trying to hold hot water in a brown paper bag; eventually that bag is going to burst and when it does, it is going to scald all those who are near.
              Nice analogy..

              I know of a number of IMers who are against Adsense; they SWEAR no one can make money with Adsense. Even in light of the fact that I make money with Adsense, THEY try and convince me that it is not possible?
              How dare they have different experiences and opinions than you!

              Know this, as far as IM goes, when a person is against a thing/system/strategy/tactic/IM Tool, you have got to identify them and then follow these two rules to the letter:

              (1). Never debate with them; that's akin to having a Republican vs. Democrat debate. No one ever wins; not even the truth!
              (2). Use comedy as your tool of choice to respond to them. Why? Think it through and the light bulb will turn on...

              Giles, the Crew Chief
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  • Profile picture of the author Randy Daugherty
    I believe google don't do such things....
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  • Profile picture of the author tylerdrun
    And google hasn't brought in Bounce rate into it's algorithm yet. I think they use it in their adwords model.

    It will take a long time for Google to incorporate bounce rate and rank sites based on bounce rate. We are talking years.

    Right now, it's just the relevance of content on your site to the no. of links you have compared to your competition.
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  • Profile picture of the author jacksonlin
    My sites with the best rankings in Google have the highest bounce rates. Sometimes up to 80 or more!

    But that doesn't Google from giving me thousands of visitors a day for that single site.

    I don't think it's true that the bounce rate will affect your SERPs negatively.
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    • Profile picture of the author Dennis Gaskill
      Originally Posted by madison_avenue View Post

      It's not true that you can damage a competitors ranking by sending it inbound links from software link packages. Google does not penalize a site for links such as these. What it may do, and does to, is to disregard those links so they give no positive benefit to the site nor does the site get a negative penalty.

      Google takes a neutral stance on these links by disregarding them. These links will therefore have no positive or negative affect on a site. Assuming of course Google is aware of them in the first place.
      Correct. If they are aware of them, they are simply devalued.

      Originally Posted by slw615 View Post

      Man all this makes my head spin! I have never been able to figure out why google would ban adsense sites - Adsense makes them money. If someone understands their logic please tell me.
      There are a few reasons, one of the big ones is probably because the quality of the clicks from certain types of sites offer little value to the advertiser, so to keep the big spenders happy, they nuke the low value sites to provide better value to their top advertisers.

      Originally Posted by Sheryl Polomka View Post

      She also said that her sons uncles friends sisters boyfriend is living somewhere in Africa with Elvis, Michael Jackson and Princess Diana!
      That's not true. I have a friend whose cousins neighbors grandmother was told by her ham sandwich that Elvis moved out months ago. I've never known a ham sandwich to lie, so it must be true.
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      • Profile picture of the author WD Mino
        Originally Posted by Dennis Gaskill View Post

        Correct. If they are aware of them, they are simply devalued.



        There are a few reasons, one of the big ones is probably because the quality of the clicks from certain types of sites offer little value to the advertiser, so to keep the big spenders happy, they nuke the low value sites to provide better value to their top advertisers.



        That's not true. I have a friend whose cousins neighbors grandmother was told by her ham sandwich that Elvis moved out months ago. I've never known a ham sandwich to lie, so it must be true.
        Only if it is on rhye

        Otherwise it can get confused and blurt out such things such as Google ban's all sites just because. more at 11:p
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      • Profile picture of the author cashcow
        Originally Posted by Dennis Gaskill View Post

        That's not true. I have a friend whose cousins neighbors grandmother was told by her ham sandwich that Elvis moved out months ago. I've never known a ham sandwich to lie, so it must be true.
        Is that the talking ham sandwich I saw for sale on ebay?
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  • Hi warriortx

    We spoke to our dog earlier, she's all ears but as clever as she is she hasn't heard about Google doing anything of the sort.

    Just another rumour we think.

    Regards

    Bronwyn and Keith
    Originally Posted by warriortx View Post

    Hi Warriors

    I was told by a close friend of mine that has a friend that works for google
    and he tells me that google is inches away of nailing auto blogs and dripping blogs which I think are the same and sending them to the sandbox which I believe because they can already nail most of the back linking software out there so beware.

    My question is has anyone heard anything?
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  • Profile picture of the author LauraJames
    It is not true. I admit things with Google could change. However, at this point, this is not the case. Time to stop worrying, especially for those who adhere to using "white hat" business techniques, both online and offline. Best wishes to you.
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  • Profile picture of the author Crew Chief
    This just in...

    As many of you know, Google uses a bevy of automated systems to render results in the SERPs, I just heard from a reliable sources that they are going to STOP using automated systems to render results in the SERPs to match their game plan to ban all auto blogs and put a screeching halt to any and all blog drip feeding.

    Get this...

    They are going to hire enough personnel to handle over 400 million plus queries per day, and they are going to hire enough graphic designers to handle their database that now has over 1.3 billion images.

    Just think, in a average of every two days, GHPs Google Human Processors will process close to staggering 1 Billion queries by hand with... NO MORE AUTOMATION!

    How cool is that?

    Says one source with close ties to a Google employee, under the condition of anonymity of course...

    GOOG is on a mission to eliminate all auto blogs, all drip feeding of content and any and all systems that post content in any automated type of fashion. The idea is to get everything done by hand, thus eliminating the need for computers.
    To be clear, the source states that GOOG is going to be hiring real live people to process ALL of the queries received by Google.

    Amazing huh?

    Every time you Google a search term, REAL PEOPLE will be behind the scenes using no automation to gather the necessary data and once gathered, they will then in turn render the exact results in the SERPs that you are looking for.

    I heard that before they render the results in the SERPs, they will be testing each and every page for:
    • Content = must be of high literary award caliber to get into the top 200 results and Google is hiring MBAs to check.
    • Content Uniqueness = must be 100% unique and Google is hiring news editors to check
    • Page Loading Time = page must load in less that .0095 seconds
    • Graphic Appeal = each page must pass a graphical appeal review by a GGRE Google Graphical Review Expert
    • Platform = I heard Google will only be accepting pure HTML sites after April 1st, 2011
    • PR = to be in the top 100 results, a page must have a PR of 2 or above
    • Bounce Rate = I'm hearing the bounce rate must be under 25% or better
    • Age of Domain = To get in the top 50 results, the domain name must be aged at least 5 years
    • Backlinks = Only organically acquired backlinks will count and GOOG is hiring BLCs Back Link Checkers to confirm all backlnks
    Apparently, Google Ban's auto blogs and blog dripping is having a reverberating effect as Google is putting a halt to all automation... including their own, that's what I heard.

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    • Profile picture of the author Bill Farnham
      Originally Posted by Crew Chief View Post

      To be clear, the source states that GOOG is going to be hiring real live people to process ALL of the queries received by Google.

      Every time you Google a search term, REAL PEOPLE will be behind the scenes using no automation to gather the necessary data and once gathered, they will then in turn render the exact results in the SERPs that you are looking for.
      So now it'll be WikiGoogle?

      What bothers me the most is that here in the States we'll have to 1099 Google if we do over 600 searches.

      Progress, who needs it...:rolleyes:

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    • Hey Crew Chief

      Now thats FUNNY....LOL

      Just love the post.

      So they are going to De-automate????

      Regards

      Bronwyn and Keith
      Originally Posted by Crew Chief View Post

      This just in...

      As many of you know, Google uses a bevy of automated systems to render results in the SERPs, I just heard from a reliable sources that they are going to STOP using automated systems to render results in the SERPs to match their game plan to ban all auto blogs and put a screeching halt to any and all blog drip feeding.

      Get this...

      They are going to hire enough personnel to handle over 400 million plus queries per day, and they are going to hire enough graphic designers to handle their database that now has over 1.3 billion images.

      Just think, in a average of every two days, GHPs Google Human Processors will process close to staggering 1 Billion queries by hand with... NO MORE AUTOMATION!

      How cool is that?

      Says one source with close ties to a Google employee, under the condition of anonymity of course...

      To be clear, the source states that GOOG is going to be hiring real live people to process ALL of the queries received by Google.

      Amazing huh?

      Every time you Google a search term, REAL PEOPLE will be behind the scenes using no automation to gather the necessary data and once gathered, they will then in turn render the exact results in the SERPs that you are looking for.

      I heard that before they render the results in the SERPs, they will be testing each and every page for:
      • Content = must be of high literary award caliber to get into the top 200 results and Google is hiring MBAs to check.
      • Content Uniqueness = must be 100% unique and Google is hiring news editors to check
      • Page Loading Time = page must load in less that .0095 seconds
      • Graphic Appeal = each page must pass a graphical appeal review by a GGRE Google Graphical Review Expert
      • Platform = I heard Google will only be accepting pure HTML sites after April 1st, 2011
      • PR = to be in the top 100 results, a page must have a PR of 2 or above
      • Bounce Rate = I'm hearing the bounce rate must be under 25% or better
      • Age of Domain = To get in the top 50 results, the domain name must be aged at least 5 years
      • Backlinks = Only organically acquired backlinks will count and GOOG is hiring BLCs Back Link Checkers to confirm all backlnks
      Apparently, Google Ban's auto blogs and blog dripping is having a reverberating effect as Google is putting a halt to all automation... including their own, that's what I heard.

      Giles, the Crew Chief
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  • Profile picture of the author cashcow
    They are going to hire enough personnel to handle over 400 million plus queries per day, and they are going to hire enough graphic designers to handle their database that now has over 1.3 billion images.
    Really? I heard they would be powering it with hamsters.
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    I see no sign of this in my niche.
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  • Profile picture of the author DrewClement
    It's ok guys....EVERYONE JUST NEEDS TO CALM DOWN.

    I heard from a very reliable source that Matt Cutts only works from 9am to 5pm eastern standard time.

    This means as long as you post all of your adsense everywhere on your autoblog between the hours of 530pm and 830am, and then remove it all before Matt gets back into work.....Google will never be the wiser.

    Dolts at big G should not have been so cheap and tried to hire a few more watchdogs......
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    • Profile picture of the author warriortx
      Originally Posted by DrewClement View Post

      It's ok guys....EVERYONE JUST NEEDS TO CALM DOWN.

      I heard from a very reliable source that Matt Cutts only works from 9am to 5pm eastern standard time.

      This means as long as you post all of your adsense everywhere on your autoblog between the hours of 530pm and 830am, and then remove it all before Matt gets back into work.....Google will never be the wiser.

      Dolts at big G should not have been so cheap and tried to hire a few more watchdogs......


      Thanks for the info
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  • Profile picture of the author askloz
    Your friend at google, is he the janitor? no offense.

    If this was the case, then the future posting feature in wordpress would be taken out. And there is no news that WP will take that out, but its not going to prevent ppl from creating a plugin that allows it, actually there is already plugins that allows you to drip feed / future set your posts to another date in the future.

    On top of that, there is NO way, google, or any one else for that matter can work out if the content was drip feed into your blog. Even if it was the NSA, they will have no way of finding out.

    Originally Posted by warriortx View Post

    Hi Warriors

    I was told by a close friend of mine that has a friend that works for google
    and he tells me that google is inches away of nailing auto blogs and dripping blogs which I think are the same and sending them to the sandbox which I believe because they can already nail most of the back linking software out there so beware.

    My question is has anyone heard anything?
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  • Profile picture of the author Crew Chief
    Am I missing something here?

    How does one have a SERIOUS discussion and raise serious concerns based solely on a rumor from a ghost?

    And just so you know, the dude that works for Google the OP was referring to got fired this past Friday for failing to pass a drug test.

    He tested positive for crack cocaine, crystal meth, heroine, prescription hormones and Viagra.

    He also was found to have been pushing all of his websites to the top of the rankings in addition to de-indexing all of his major competition.

    When confronted about his dastardly behavior, he attacked a fellow employee's car with axes he had stored under his desk.





    People, you've got to stop taking these rumors so serious...


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    • Profile picture of the author Bill Farnham
      Originally Posted by Crew Chief View Post

      When confronted about his dastardly behavior, he attacked a fellow employee's car with axes he had stored under his desk.




      Well, that looks like one way to get your points taken seriously...

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  • Profile picture of the author dagaul101
    Auto blogs was always against the ethos of Google, it simply wants unique content generated by real people
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  • Profile picture of the author tommygadget
    I think someone mentioned it a few thousand times. Put up a site with original content and make is useful. It's not that difficult. Really. Now, back to work, there's nothing to see here...

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  • Profile picture of the author Diana Lane
    Originally Posted by dagaul101 View Post

    Auto blogs was always against the ethos of Google, it simply wants unique content generated by real people
    Not so. Google wants to serve up relevant content to the searchers, otherwise they'll switch to another search engine. I shouldn't think Google is that bothered where this relevant content comes from - it does not take Einstein to realise that real people are quite capable of generating unique drivel. This thread alone could provide a few examples.

    Google's only aim is to unite the searchers with the advertisers that fill it's coffers, and the only way it can do that is by providing the searchers with what they expect to find. That is more likely to be meaningful syndicated content than a page of hand-typed garbage stuffed with keywords and presented as useful.
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    • Profile picture of the author ScottTrimble
      While this may be true, I'm not concerned. I currently have around 60 autoblogs that largely contribute to my monthly income but I really don't think Google would penalize all of them as the software I'm using doesn't leave any footprints and I also have a few unique articles added to each blog.

      It'd be a good move for Google to start banning splogs that don't give credit to original owners of the articles though. Can't wait to see that.
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  • Profile picture of the author krharper
    I don't believe it as it would be too difficult to distinguish the stuff Google wants to get rid of from "legitmate" uses of the same technology.
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  • Profile picture of the author IM nice guy
    I think there will always be "autoblogs"

    it may just get a little tougher to get them ranked within the search engines
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    • Profile picture of the author tpw
      Originally Posted by IM nice guy View Post

      I think there will always be "autoblogs"

      it may just get a little tougher to get them ranked within the search engines

      It will never be difficult to rank them in Google, if you apply the same principles of link building to them, that you apply to your other websites.

      But if you want to think it difficult to impossible, that is fine... It clears out the field of competition, so that those of who don't worry about Google can clean up...
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    • Profile picture of the author warriortx
      Originally Posted by IM nice guy View Post

      I think there will always be "autoblogs"

      it may just get a little tougher to get them ranked within the search engines

      a lot tougher the days of autoblogs are coming to a end.
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  • Profile picture of the author warriortx
    I think when they spider your site the look for specific words in the script.
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    • Profile picture of the author Crew Chief
      I see we are still fueling this rumor mill as if it is a incontrovertible fact. OK, keep it up and this thread may become one of the most hilarious WF threads of all times.

      In the mean time, back to the out of control rumor mill...

      Originally Posted by warriortx View Post

      I think when they spider your site the look for specific words in the script.
      Actually, Google will no longer be spidering sites because that process, [much like auto blogging and blog dripping] is completely automated.

      If you recall someone, said they heard that Google was de-automating across the board.

      I heard that Google will be hiring 117,850,678 LCRs Line Code Readers, who will read line code line-by-line on the nearly 1 Billion queries they curently receive every two days.

      Their SOLE job will be to detect ANY type of software application that submits content on an automated basis no matter how great or how bad that content is. Once they find ANY sign of code indicating that the web master used software to submit content; they are going to nuke that website into oblivion! I heard, once they de-index these sites, they will never return to the Google index at any time.

      I also heard that Google ONLY wants content that is submitted by hand and to that end they are implementing a NO automated submission policy in their TOS. We are all going to have to sign this revised TOS or be faced with being exiled from Google immediately and permanently.

      As most of you know, GNews is a ACDS AUTOMATED Content Delivery System set up in the EXACT same manner as most auto blogging systems.

      Google will be announcing on January 1st, that they are going to shutter the current automated GNews system in its entirety. Once that automated system is shuttered, they will only be accepting manual applications from licensed reporters who have credentials with major news outlets who are willing to submit content one way... ONLY BY HAND.

      Says one Google senior management team leader speaking on the condition of absolute G4 classified anonymity...

      We hate auto blogging and blog dripping with a adamant ferocious passion. Those who use such tools are brainless, mindless nim whits who are lower than the worst vile miscreants on earth. To use such tools is an abomination to the very essence of what GOOG is all about. Automation is for lazy suckers who think such systems make their work easier! IM Automation was born in the mind of an evil inventor who should be banished to the very pits of de-indexed. Google loathes the day IM automation was ever created and we live for the day when we can get back to doing EVERYTHING MANUALLY! Google lives for the day when we can get back to using pencils and erasers instead of programs!
      As you can see, if you are doing anything automated; STOP NOW or else face a painful GOOGLE exile.

      This may be a little off topic but I heard a orange fruit farmer found a Real Live orange that can talk and here's proof...

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    As you can see, if you are doing anything automated; STOP NOW or else face a painful GOOGLE exile.

    My point exactly
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    • Profile picture of the author jazbo
      This thread is a wind up right?

      Seriously, does anyone believe this.

      For a start the people with brains will just take the footprints out, like they do now with wordpress plugins that fiddle your on-page SEO.

      This is the same nonsense as the threads that claim the earth will fall if you do automated link building.








      Originally Posted by warriortx View Post

      As you can see, if you are doing anything automated; STOP NOW or else face a painful GOOGLE exile.

      My point exactly
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      • Profile picture of the author warriortx
        Originally Posted by jazbo View Post

        This thread is a wind up right?

        Seriously, does anyone believe this.

        For a start the people with brains will just take the footprints out, like they do now with wordpress plugins that fiddle your on-page SEO.

        This is the same nonsense as the threads that claim the earth will fall if you do automated link building.

        Wow I guess you didn't read all the posts.
        Calm down, do you sell them or something?
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    • Profile picture of the author Rsberg
      Originally Posted by warriortx View Post

      As you can see, if you are doing anything automated; STOP NOW or else face a painful GOOGLE exile.

      My point exactly

      WOW, please don't tell me you actually took that quote seriously?

      You do know it was a joke right?

      If not, all I can say is wow...
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      • Profile picture of the author warriortx
        Originally Posted by Rsberg View Post

        WOW, please don't tell me you actually took that quote seriously?

        You do know it was a joke right?

        If not, all I can say is wow...

        Wow, Thanks for being insulting NEWB
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        • Profile picture of the author Rsberg
          Originally Posted by warriortx View Post

          Wow, Thanks for being insulting NEWB

          I'm sorry but I find it so funny that there is a small but very determined group that simply hates anything related to or with the term "auto blogging" in it. They hate it so much that they are willing to believe complete hogwash as long as it has something to do with the downfall of auto blogging. It simply amazes me, I mean really...seriously?

          This small group that I refer to (which you now obviously belong to) has made it a point to post as many threads (like this one), negative comments on other threads...etc as what seems humanly possible. I mean are you outrsourcing this stuff? For whatever reason they seem to think that simply because it's not "unique" that it can't be a valid business model or serve any useful purpose. It simply can't make money and there is no way that it could ever actually provide a good user experience. Once again...seriously?

          I'm sure you are an intelligent person, I've read several of your posts and in many cases thought you were spot on. It's also obvious you have been here on WF a long time, once again a testiment to your dedication to IM. For all of that I applaud you...

          Having said that...what is your obvious beef with auto blogging? I mean really? If it's not for you then that's fine but why do you and the others in your group seem to go out of your way to bash it any chance you get? I mean look at this thread...you heard it form a friend who heard it from a friend....hmmmmm

          I'm sorry...I just don't get it!
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          • Profile picture of the author warriortx
            Originally Posted by Rsberg View Post

            I'm sorry but I find it so funny that there is a small but very determined group that simply hates anything related to or with the term "auto blogging" in it. They hate it so much that they are willing to believe complete hogwash as long as it has something to do with the downfall of auto blogging. It simply amazes me, I mean really...seriously?

            This small group that I refer to (which you now obviously belong to) has made it a point to post as many threads (like this one), negative comments on other threads...etc as what seems humanly possible. I mean are you outrsourcing this stuff? For whatever reason they seem to think that simply because it's not "unique" that it can't be a valid business model or serve any useful purpose. It simply can't make money and there is no way that it could ever actually provide a good user experience. Once again...seriously?

            I'm sure you are an intelligent person, I've read several of your posts and in many cases thought you were spot on. It's also obvious you have been here on WF a long time, once again a testiment to your dedication to IM. For all of that I applaud you...

            Having said that...what is your obvious beef with auto blogging? I mean really? If it's not for you then that's fine but why do you and the others in your group seem to go out of your way to bash it any chance you get? I mean look at this thread...you heard it form a friend who heard it from a friend....hmmmmm

            I'm sorry...I just don't get it!
            My beef is most of mine disappeared
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            • Profile picture of the author Rsberg
              Originally Posted by warriortx View Post

              My beef is most of mine disappeared
              OK, that statement begs two questions and one statement in reply:

              1. You say "most"...so that implies that you still have at least one if not more unless you allowed them to die on the vine, is that correct? If so, knowing what is painfully obvious about your attitude toward them....why do you keep it/them? Why haven’t you pulled them off of the interweb and set them on fire to burn in hell for all eternity?

              2. Do you know why they "disappeared"? Could it have possibly been that you personally approached the auto blogging method incorrectly? What I mean by that is that no website, blog...etc is responsible for its own existence. They don't build and populate themselves with content, forms of monetization or SEO/backlinks which eventually generate traffic. All of that is done by the owner...you. You can't blame "auto blogging" for your failure with it, no more than you could say that it was responsible for your success if you had succeeded with it. You built them, you installed and set up the "auto" programs that made them run.

              This isn't the Terminator, the machines haven't risen....YOU were in control of them; don't blame all that is "auto blogging" because they "disappeared". They disappeared because you didn't implement the proper approach, procedures or what have you to make it work for you. If you were given bad instruction or guidance as to how to use auto blogging successfully then once again, that's not auto bloggings fault.

              No one likes to fail at anything they attempt but you can't (or shouldn't) in good conscience blame auto blogging for all your auto blogging woes.

              I am honestly sorry that it didn’t work for you but it might be time for you (and the rest of the auto blogging haters) to come to the realization that it wasn't auto bloggings fault...there are far too many people who are successful with it for that to be the case!
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    • Profile picture of the author Crew Chief
      This just in... Google goes even further to BAN any and all IMATs Internet Marketing Automation Tools. Wait till you read this!

      I further heard that Google was also BANNING all automated video spokesperson systems. They only want LIVE people making such pitches and they will be hiring another 18,329,527 people to hard confirm that all such videos are live people and not pre-recorded messages.

      Any site using pre-recorded videos of any type will be instantly purged and then completely banned from all three Google indexes.

      Also, I heard that all Amazon review plugins have been banned! Google is only allowing LIVE reviews by people who have confirmed and verified their IP address, User Agent, ISP account, e-mail address and have a receipt proving they actually purchased and then used the item they are reviewing. That means Google is BANNING any and all plugins that provide a simple way to add Amazon products to WordPress blogs.

      Google is also banning all CMS Content Management Systems; they are demanding that all webmasters manage content by hand using absolutely NO AUTOMATION of any kind.

      Says one friend who has a friend who is the neighbor of Google senior employee...

      Google is livid over these automated Amazon plugins! One inside source said these plugins are the very bane to Google's existence and further proves how disconnected IMers have become.
      Another friend of a Google new hire heard this...

      The paradigm shift to de-automate has reached a crescendo! Google is cleaning the slate of all IMATs Internet Marketing Automation Tools and going back to the days of 8 track tapes, vinyl records, Windows for Workgroups 3.1, door to door milk delivery, black and white television in monotone and cooking without microwave ovens...
      There you have it folks...

      We might as well revert back to Windows for Workgroups 3.1, trash our HDTVs and pullout our vinyl records because Google's new paradigm shift has changed the landscape dramatically, according to sources.

      Oh, and for those of you who are wondering how to get your content to Google minus any automation; its simple!

      Write all of your articles using a pencil, paper and eraser, once you've completed the article, send it to Google and they will upload it by hand to the server you specify.



      Here's what we heard one person reportedly said who knows someone that uses this system exclusively...

      I don't use ANY automated submission tools! And my last article was hand written and submitted to Google VIA snail mail. Once they uploaded it, I instantly outranked all of those lazy IMers who use automated tools. I outranked them with no backlinks whatsoever with a keyword phrase that gets over 19k exact searches per month and has a eCPC of $24.75. Doing it manually works! If you want to be a successful IMer go manual all the way, you will thank me!
      My question is, "Who is going to follow this guy?" :confused:



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      • Profile picture of the author Rsberg
        Here's what we heard one person reportedly said who knows someone that uses this system exclusively...

        I don't use ANY automated submission tools! And my last article was hand written and submitted to Google VIA snail mail. Once they uploaded it, I instantly outranked all of those lazy IMers who use automated tools. I outranked them with no backlinks whatsoever with a keyword phrase that gets over 19k exact searches per month and has a eCPC of $24.75. Doing it manually works! If you want to be a successful IMer go manual all the way, you will thank me!

        Giles, the Crew Chief[/QUOTE]

        Now that is funny stuff right there....

        I don't care who you are, thats damn funny!!!

        Very nice, very nice indeed!
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  • Profile picture of the author calbeach
    Google will always find ways to make things difficult for everybody. This is the same old tricks since day one. All you know is just keep watching them like a hawk and pattern your sites according to the current algorithm.
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  • Profile picture of the author Rsberg
    You're absolutely right Giles...no doubt about any of that.

    I guess my being a "Newb" here hasn't afforded me the experience in this forum to come to those realizations yet....until now!

    Thanks and once again...

    DAMN FUNNY STUFF!!!
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    • Profile picture of the author Crew Chief
      Originally Posted by Rsberg View Post

      You're absolutely right Giles...no doubt about any of that.

      I guess my being a "Newb" here hasn't afforded me the experience in this forum to come to those realizations yet....until now!

      Thanks and once again...

      DAMN FUNNY STUFF!!!
      Rsberg, the REAL funny part is by the time this group is bunched together, they don't realize it but they are against EVERYTHING related to IM.

      AND, in their world, those who don't agree with their passions and IM idealogies are pretty much morons. That's why I respond to them with comedy.

      In their world, if you don't do it THEIR way, Google is going to take you down!

      That's why I say have a few laughs at their expense and then move on.

      P.S. I see that you are in IN? Colts all the way!




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      • Profile picture of the author Rsberg
        Originally Posted by Crew Chief View Post

        P.S. I see that you are in IN? Colts all the way!




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        A fellow Colts fan...I knew there was something I liked about you!

        Now if we could get our injured players back on the field we might find our way back to the promise land (where we feel apart last year)...but thats for another thread all together!
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        • Profile picture of the author warriortx
          Originally Posted by Rsberg View Post

          A fellow Colts fan...I knew there was something I liked about you!

          Now if we could get our injured players back on the field we might find our way back to the promise land (where we feel apart last year)...but thats for another thread all together!

          That explains everything :p
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          • Profile picture of the author Rsberg
            Originally Posted by warriortx View Post

            That explains everything :p
            OK...you can trash auto blogging all you want but talking bout my team....

            That a whole nother' issue right there - thems is fightin words missy



            I'm not sure which Texas team you favor but it looks like either is a decent choice (now that Dallas fired Wade) and the Texans have certainly improved over the years....I mean heck...they even beat us this year
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            • Profile picture of the author Mark Coverdale
              Giles and Rsberg, you have taken 40 minutes out of my work day.

              But it was worth it....................well done.
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      • Profile picture of the author Andyhenry
        Originally Posted by Crew Chief View Post

        the REAL funny part is by the time this group is bunched together, they don't realize it but they are against EVERYTHING related to IM.

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        I thought that was funny but a little extreme.


        But then.....

        Originally Posted by warriortx

        a lot of warriors are going to owe me a apology because everything leaves a foot print EVERYTHING.
        and

        Originally Posted by warriortx

        that explains EVERYTHING.
        Now the word Everything really is coming up and it was perfectly timed.

        I'm wondering if Giles is posting in this thread under several accounts and having a discussion with himself - and using himself to prove his own points
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    The thing is, people have always abused resources and while some SEO's are creative twists to the rules, others are just plain SPAM cleverly designed and we cant disagree if Google isn't happy about it. Theyve been trying to get rid of SPAM since I cant remember and what better way to target a majority of their problem than by sandboxing these..right??
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  • Profile picture of the author markowe
    Well I heard that Google are going to ban PHP and other scripting languages as frankly those can be used to - GASP! - automatically generate web pages. Instead they are going to insist that each and every web page be drawn up by hand in Dreamweaver for each user that visits (unique content, no copy/paste) and...

    ...this thread is getting out of hand! Nothing like a bit of Google speculation to fuel a debate though, is there? Ah, reminds me of a certain other forum. speaking of which, anyone hear when the next PR update is going to be?
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    • Profile picture of the author warriortx
      Originally Posted by markowe View Post

      Well I heard that Google are going to ban PHP and other scripting languages as frankly those can be used to - GASP! - automatically generate web pages. Instead they are going to insist that each and every web page be drawn up by hand in Dreamweaver for each user that visits (unique content, no copy/paste) and...

      ...this thread is getting out of hand! Nothing like a bit of Google speculation to fuel a debate though, is there? Ah, reminds me of a certain other forum. speaking of which, anyone hear when the next PR update is going to be?

      Ok smarty when I turn out to be right a lot of warriors are going to owe me a apology because everything leaves a foot print EVERYTHING.
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    Please make it stop.
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    • Profile picture of the author Crew Chief
      Originally Posted by warriortx View Post

      Ok smarty when I turn out to be right a lot of warriors are going to owe me a apology because everything leaves a foot print EVERYTHING.
      warriortx, even if the rumor had a smidgen of truth to it, know this for a certainty; in IM, there is a worldwide cadre of programmers, coders, researchers, analysts, Electronic Intel personnel, IMers and brain trusts that...

      WILL NOT be denied!
      WILL NOT be stopped!

      In this cat and mouse game with GOOG and other SEs, this cadre of IMers never rest, never sleep and never tire of making in-flight adjustments, nor of raising their game to the next level.

      When GOOG moves, we move and we always WIN! That's why they call us the invisible badgers...

      Nothing that GOOG does is enough to deter us!

      Nothing that anyone says is enough to scare us!

      Our stalwart motto, mantra and mentality is and will always be:
      We never waver
      We never flinch
      To our enemies
      We give not an inch
      We are the invisible badgers

      Get to know the mentality of this cadre by watching this video...


      GOOG can strike all they want and like the Honey badger; the cadre will STRIKE BACK!

      Oh, and the footprint thingy, Electronic Intel personnel, invented Internet Footprints, hahahaha...

      To those who may think the cadre is concerned about Internet footprints, don't make me laugh!!!! That's why the cadre is called invisible.

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      • Profile picture of the author Jacob Martus
        Originally Posted by Crew Chief View Post

        To those who may think the cadre is concerned about Internet footprints, don't make me laugh!!!! That's why the cadre is called invisible.

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        Possibly the most wicked animal to walk the face of the Earth. Always makes me wonder who named it? Sounds like such a wimpy name, but is definitely one of the most devilish creatures EVER.
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        • Profile picture of the author celente
          Originally Posted by Jacob Martus View Post

          Possibly the most wicked animal to walk the face of the Sounds like such a wimpy name, but is definitely one of the most devilish creatures EVER.
          You havent met my wife!

          *looks around*
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          • Profile picture of the author Crew Chief
            Originally Posted by Jacob Martus View Post

            Possibly the most wicked animal to walk the face of the Earth. Always makes me wonder who named it? Sounds like such a wimpy name, but is definitely one of the most devilish creatures EVER.
            Wimpy name? Quite the contrary Jacob! The name emanates from the fact that Honey Badgers bodaciously and voraciously trot right into the hives of the most feared bees in the world; the Africanized Honey Bees, better known as Killer Bees.

            And that's exactly how the cadre of IMers trot into Google's camp. Let them sound their alarms, let Google swarm, let them change their algorithms, let them search for IM footprints, the cadre of invisible badgers is still coming!

            We cannot be deterred by facts so what makes a person think we will be deterred by rumors, innuendos and veil threats? Hahahahaha, don't make me laugh...

            Think about it! Honey Badgers know how vicious Killer Bees are but does that stop them from attacking their hives? A million times, NO!

            Honey Badgers know how dangerous snakes are but does that stop them from attacking vipers and other venomous snakes? A trillion times, NO!

            Honey Badgers simply will not be deterred and neither will this cadre of IMers.

            Originally Posted by Mark Coverdale View Post

            Giles and Rsberg, you have taken 40 minutes out of my work day.

            But it was worth it....................well done.
            Mark, we aim to educate and sometimes entertain in the process.

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            • Profile picture of the author Jacob Martus
              Originally Posted by Crew Chief View Post


              Honey Badgers know how dangerous snakes are but does that stop them from attacking vipers and other venomous snakes? A trillion times, NO!

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              I like how he gets bitten by a snake and injected with enough venom to kill several humans. What does it do? Die? Hell no, it takes a nap to 'sleep' off the toxins. Wakes back up and finishes that wimpy snake.

              What about a Lion?



              Looks like the Lion is having second thoughts.

              I know this is completely off topic, but I thought you guys might like the read.
              Badass of the Week: Honey Badger (Ratel)

              And just for you Giles, because of your military history, I thought you might like this one:
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              http://www.badassoftheweek.com/voytek.html
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            • Profile picture of the author Bill Farnham
              And that's exactly how the cadre of IMers trot into Google's camp.
              It appears like this "cadre" is pretty fixated on Google. This sounds like 'stalker territory' here...

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              • Profile picture of the author Crew Chief
                Originally Posted by Bill Farnham View Post

                It appears like this "cadre" is pretty fixated on Google. This sounds like 'stalker territory' here... ~Bill
                True Bill, but you want to read something funny?

                It is reported that Google officials checked and after extensive research, saw these footprints...



                And after learning those footprints would lead to this...




                They gasped for air, turned to each other and agreed to decline to pursue the case/situation any further.

                Google knows not to mess with the invisible badgers...

                Just to reiterate in case anyone missed the point of this...

                Autoblogging ROCKS! Blog dripping ROCKS! Dripping feeding articles ROCKS!

                Just learn how to DO IT RIGHT!

                Originally Posted by Jacob Martus View Post

                I like how he gets bitten by a snake and injected with enough venom to kill several humans. What does it do? Die? Hell no, it takes a nap to 'sleep' off the toxins. Wakes back up and finishes that wimpy snake.

                Looks like the Lion is having second thoughts.
                Yes sir, now that's a True Warrior to the very core and one of my heroes!

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                • Profile picture of the author Stephen Crooks
                  Hmmm.. Naughty badgers? Naah. More like lambs to the slaughter.

                  Originally Posted by Crew Chief View Post


                  Google knows not to mess with the invisible badgers...

                  Just to reiterate in case anyone missed the point of this...

                  Autoblogging ROCKS! Blog dripping ROCKS! Dripping feeding articles ROCKS!

                  Just learn how to DO IT RIGHT!



                  Yes sir, now that's a True Warrior to the very core and one of my heroes!

                  Giles, the Crew Chief
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                • Profile picture of the author paulie888
                  Originally Posted by paulie888 View Post

                  It's incredible how these rumors get started, and we seem to be hearing about many of them in this forum lately. Seems like many newbies like to rush in here and ask for opinions when they hear this or that is 'dead'...lol!
                  Originally Posted by Crew Chief View Post

                  True Bill, but you want to read something funny?

                  It is reported that Google officials checked and after extensive research, saw these footprints...



                  And after learning those footprints would lead to this...




                  They gasped for air, turned to each other and agreed to decline to pursue the case/situation any further.

                  Google knows not to mess with the invisible badgers...

                  Just to reiterate in case anyone missed the point of this...

                  Autoblogging ROCKS! Blog dripping ROCKS! Dripping feeding articles ROCKS!

                  Just learn how to DO IT RIGHT!



                  Yes sir, now that's a True Warrior to the very core and one of my heroes!

                  Giles, the Crew Chief
                  Giles, I couldn't agree more. Some people just don't want to take the time and effort to get things right, and this applies equally to autoblogging as well as everything else in IM!

                  If you treat autoblogs like an "autopilot" system, then you get "autopilot" (i.e. near-zero) type income! Autoblogs need to be worked on and constantly monitored, if you set them up and then don't touch them at all afterward - guess what happens?? lol

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  • Profile picture of the author warriortx
    Ok we have heard from the sellers NOW how about the buyers that have had theres for more then a few months PLEASE TELL YOUR STORY--UNLESS YOU SELL THEM.
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    • Profile picture of the author Andyhenry
      Just for a moment I'm going to pretend there are still people in this thread taking the OP seriously.

      Originally Posted by warriortx View Post

      Ok we have heard from the sellers NOW how about the buyers that have had theres for more then a few months PLEASE TELL YOUR STORY--UNLESS YOU SELL THEM.
      I think there are way too many generalisations going on here for it to be possible to say something without it getting caught on the fence people seem to be attacking each other behind.

      Are auto-blogs doomed - Of course not!!!!

      That's just stupid.

      Does the term 'auto-blog' mean the same thing to everyone? - No! and that is one of the problems this sort of discussion has.

      People seem to think that auto-blogging means using other people's content - that's just not true.

      I have auto-blogs that have been around for over 5 years and have never suffered any sort of Google problems.

      Some of them use my content and other peoples' and some use just my content.

      Having a team of writers creating content which then gets posted to lots of your own blogs - and then aggregated to your own news site is considered auto-blogging, but it's also a very common way to create a news site, the sort that Google love.

      Auto-dripping content is just a process - it's not good or bad. Auto-blogging is just a process.

      Google have some very clever people working for them and they're not completely ignorant of the different ways people use systems and tools to run their businesses.

      If you think Google would just blanket ban any method of posting content without consideration for the way it helps their business then you probably have Google-itus. Google does not own the Internet and is not the be-all and end-all of what you should consider, but also they're big enough to know that any business owner needs tools and systems in order to build their business.

      It's the way you use these things that will cause you problems - not the methods themselves.

      When you hear anyone say that a process will get penalised - it should set off alarm bells that they probably don't know what they're talking about - or are just spouting off their opinion.

      We all have opinions - but our experience of something doesn't create a universal law that means it must apply to everyone else.

      Lots of people have successful auto-blogs that have made them good money for a long time and will for a long time to come - because it's one way to be able to constantly provide good information that people want. Where that information comes from and whether it is new or unique etc.. is a completely different subject to how it gets published.

      Giles - you're very funny. I can't decide whether you're a mad genius or just mad

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      • Profile picture of the author Karen Blundell
        I only have a problem with "auto-blogs" that scrape other people's content without asking or without giving credit where credit is due, the latter being more important to me.
        there are good auto blogs and bad auto blogs...just like there's good and bad in just about every situation. I hope people understand the difference.
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        • Profile picture of the author Tony Marriott
          Originally Posted by Karen Blundell View Post

          I only have a problem with "auto-blogs" that scrape other people's content without asking or without giving credit where credit is due, the latter being more important to me.
          there are good auto blogs and bad auto blogs...just like there's good and bad in just about every situation. I hope people understand the difference.
          Thanks for some sanity

          FACT.. Google will continue to develop it's strategies, practices and tools in a never ending process of improving the search experience. That search experiece. The search experience translates directly into money in Googles pocket. They will happily penalise any sites or groups of sites (even if that appears to loose them money in the short term) if they believe they will get more money in the long term. That's how any successful business works (and I don't think anyone will disagree that Google is a successful business).

          We cannot know exactly what Google can and cannot do until they do it. In fact almost everything we do know about Google is because we have reverse engineered the results.
          Is Google happy for us to believe they do "amazing" things and see every site on the internet and tell whether it's a good or bad one in their eyes (automatically)? Of course they are. Are they capable of that? of course not. Will they be? Who knows.

          Forget about worrying what Google are going to do and get on with building your own business. Diversify your income to protect any singular changes that could ruin it. Does Walmart only sell bread? No, they increase their range of products so when the world bread shortage hits they won't go bankrupt. Eggs and baskets and all that (yes they sell them too!)
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  • Profile picture of the author Rsberg
    Very well said Andy....

    It's how you use the approach...not the approach itself!
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    • Profile picture of the author Crew Chief
      Originally Posted by Andyhenry View Post

      I'm wondering if Giles is posting in this thread under several accounts and having a discussion with himself - and using himself to prove his own points
      Andy that would be called... well uhm, uh Tri-Polar or something or another wouldn't it?

      Originally Posted by Andyhenry View Post

      Just for a moment I'm going to pretend there are still people in this thread taking the OP seriously.
      No pretense needed there Andy, they took her serious as soon as they saw, "Google Ban's Auto..."

      That was their que to let those of us who use automated tools have it. They were chomping at the bits, regaling in our demise until they found out that there is a cadre of IMers who are not at all impressed with Google's hierarchy, technology, educational acumen or footprint sniffing tools. We respect GOOG, but we WILL NOT acquiesce to their vision of IM. Nor do we march to their barking orders.

      Originally Posted by Andyhenry View Post

      I think there are way too many generalisations going on here for it to be possible to say something without it getting caught on the fence people seem to be attacking each other behind.

      Are auto-blogs doomed - Of course not!!!!

      That's just stupid.
      Hahahahaha... Well said my friend, well said.

      Originally Posted by Andyhenry View Post

      Does the term 'auto-blog' mean the same thing to everyone? - No! and that is one of the problems this sort of discussion has.

      People seem to think that auto-blogging means using other people's content - that's just not true.

      I have auto-blogs that have been around for over 5 years and have never suffered any sort of Google problems.

      Some of them use my content and other peoples' and some use just my content.
      Take note auto bloggers and potential auto bloggers; you are reading pure strategical genius. To be clear, what Andy is explaining; that's how you AUTO BLOG!

      Originally Posted by Andyhenry View Post

      Having a team of writers creating content which then gets posted to lots of your own blogs - and then aggregated to your own news site is considered auto-blogging, but it's also a very common way to create a news site, the sort that Google love.
      Ohh, so that's how its done, continue on, sir...

      Originally Posted by Andyhenry View Post

      Auto-dripping content is just a process - it's not good or bad. Auto-blogging is just a process.
      Did you get that auto blog haters? [check]

      Originally Posted by Andyhenry View Post

      Google have some very clever people working for them and they're not completely ignorant of the different ways people use systems and tools to run their businesses.
      Andy, actually you just made a profound statement in the sense that many IMers believe that Google's sole purpose is to serve as the IM Police. They see GOOG as a regime that is hell bent on banning, de-indexing, sandboxing and otherwise unjustly slapping IMers and that is just not the case... unless you have Google-itus!

      Originally Posted by Andyhenry View Post

      If you think Google would just blanket ban any method of posting content without consideration for the way it helps their business then you probably have Google-itus. Google does not own the Internet and is not the be-all and end-all of what you should consider, but also they're big enough to know that any business owner needs tools and systems in order to build their business.
      Andy, that's the first time I heard that term and I'm running with it!

      Originally Posted by Andyhenry View Post

      It's the way you use these things that will cause you problems - not the methods themselves.
      Bingo! Right that down people!

      Originally Posted by Andyhenry View Post

      When you hear anyone say that a process will get penalised - it should set off alarm bells that they probably don't know what they're talking about - or are just spouting off their opinion.
      I'm reading this post and saying to myself, Andy has nailed some golden truths and his last statement is proof pudding.

      Originally Posted by Andyhenry View Post

      We all have opinions - but our experience of something doesn't create a universal law that means it must apply to everyone else.
      Oh, that's what they are implying [universal law] when they say, Adsense is dead, Auto blogging should be banned, ScrapeBox users are scum, BMD users are total spammers, I hate IM automation and yada, yada, yada, blah, blah blah?

      Originally Posted by Andyhenry View Post

      Lots of people have successful auto-blogs that have made them good money for a long time and will for a long time to come...
      And as Bill Murray said in the move "Stripes" "That's a fact jack!" Hahahaha...

      Originally Posted by Andyhenry View Post

      Giles - you're very funny. I can't decide whether you're a mad genius or just mad
      Andy, that mentality comes from being in Electronic Intel, we see in the dark!

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      • Profile picture of the author Jill Carpenter
        Originally Posted by Andyhenry:
        It's the way you use these things that will cause you problems - not the methods themselves.
        So you mean I should not use the electric turkey carving knife to trim nose hairs?
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  • Profile picture of the author JonMills
    Originally Posted by warriortx View Post

    Hi Warriors

    I was told by a close friend of mine that has a friend that works for google
    and he tells me that google is inches away of nailing auto blogs and dripping blogs which I think are the same and sending them to the sandbox which I believe because they can already nail most of the back linking software out there so beware.

    My question is has anyone heard anything?
    NONSENSE! and yet VERY TRUE

    Wordpress provides autoblogging. So its not autoblogging that is the issue here.

    its the type of stuff being posted that is.

    Google is all for relevancy. They dont give 2 ****s about people filling the net with content, they give a crap about it being relevant, and not just grabbed from other places on the net.

    If they were to target autoblogging they would have to target every wordpress blog online, along with other auto content systems.

    Again they look for fingerprints, certain things which indicate its not manned by someone.. Now that is EASY to spot! You dont need a room full of monkeys to tell the sites online that are total crap and filled with nonsense.
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  • Profile picture of the author Rsberg
    <<<< Is wondering how long it will take the nay sayers to try to figure out some form of rebuttle for all of those quotes...

    The rebuttle wont have much of a foundation to stand on but it will be presented anyway.

    Me thinks it wont be long now....
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    • Profile picture of the author Crew Chief
      Originally Posted by avenuegirl View Post

      So you mean I should not use the electric turkey carving knife to trim nose hairs?
      Jill, they say, "Great minds think alike!"

      You use a electric turkey carving knife to trim those nose hairs; and I know you how much you have got to enjoy the process!

      I use a Stihl FS120 Weed Eater to trim my nose hairs and will be using a Stihl MS 310 Chainsaw to cut my toenails after the sales starts tomorrow.

      And by the way, AUTO BLOGGING rocks!

      If you are not auto blogging, you are missing out!

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  • Profile picture of the author Will Edwards
    I have heard nothing about this, but I hope Google does manage to clean up its serps by filtering out content that is essentially junk, no matter how it does it.

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    • Profile picture of the author wordwizard
      Originally Posted by Karen Blundell View Post

      I only have a problem with "auto-blogs" that scrape other people's content without asking or without giving credit where credit is due, the latter being more important to me.
      there are good auto blogs and bad auto blogs...just like there's good and bad in just about every situation. I hope people understand the difference.
      I agree with you, Karen!

      Scraping is one thing, but scraping without giving credit stinks!

      And no, I haven't heard anything about Google banning autoblogging either, not that
      this means anything -- I'm not keeping up that well thing this particular issue.

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      • Profile picture of the author JohnMcCabe
        As a famous man (Yogi Berra) once said, "It's deja vu all over again..."

        Does anyone remember those really crappy software-generated 'made for Adsense' sites? The ones that would take a list of keywords and generate hundreds or thousands of pages of keyword stuffed gibberish and an ad block?

        Google was not against sites created to profit from Adsense ads. Google was against losing users due to worthless pages clogging the search results. Google was against losing advertisers due to worthless clicks by people trying to get out of the MFA pages, and taking a chance on clicking an ad - especially when that ad was presented as navigation.

        So they took steps to identify and drop sites that fit that pattern. Sites that presented relevant content along with the Adsense ads are still thriving, for the most part.

        It will be the same with blogs filled with keyword-loaded trash pulled from article directories choked with badly spun keyword pablum. Eventually, the user experience will be so poor on those sites that the pattern will be incorporated into the algorithm. Sites that use the automation tools to create valuable resources (and that means of value to someone besides the site owner) will still prosper.

        When blog automation abuse is handled, something else will take it's place.

        As several others have said, don't blame the tools, blame the craftsman.
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        • Profile picture of the author Andyhenry
          Originally Posted by JohnMcCabe View Post

          Does anyone remember those really crappy software-generated 'made for Adsense' sites? The ones that would take a list of keywords and generate hundreds or thousands of pages of keyword stuffed gibberish and an ad block?
          Remember them - I saw people lining up to pay $10k and $20k to go on weekend training courses that showed how to use them.

          There are still people selling basically the same thing now - often just using WP to create the pages instead.
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          • Profile picture of the author paulie888
            Originally Posted by Andyhenry View Post

            Remember them - I saw people lining up to pay $10k and $20k to go on weekend training courses that showed how to use them.

            There are still people selling basically the same thing now - often just using WP to create the pages instead.
            What comes to mind here is the old saying that a poor workman always blames his tools. Autoblogging is just something in the arsenal of tools that an internet marketer can deploy, and depending on how it is wielded the results can be good or spectacularly bad.

            An autoblog plugin is just a tool, nothing more and nothing less. If you don't use it appropriately, then bad things can and will happen to your blogs. It is your method of employing it that gets you in trouble with Google, not the tool itself!

            Paul
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            • Profile picture of the author Andyhenry
              Originally Posted by paulie888 View Post

              What comes to mind here is the old saying that a poor workman always blames his tools. Autoblogging is just something in the arsenal of tools that an internet marketer can deploy, and depending on how it is wielded the results can be good or spectacularly bad.

              An autoblog plugin is just a tool, nothing more and nothing less. If you don't use it appropriately, then bad things can and will happen to your blogs. It is your method of employing it that gets you in trouble with Google, not the tool itself!

              Paul
              Agreed- that's exactly what I've been saying all along in this thread.
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  • Profile picture of the author QuinNguyen
    Haven't heard anything about this but I have heard that backlink doesn't count as much as it used to.
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    • Profile picture of the author Jill Carpenter
      Originally Posted by Crew Chief View Post

      Jill, they say, "Great minds think alike!"

      You use a electric turkey carving knife to trim those nose hairs; and I know you how much you have got to enjoy the process!

      I use a Stihl FS120 Weed Eater to trim my nose hairs and will be using a Stihl MS 310 Chainsaw to cut my toenails after the sales starts tomorrow.

      And by the way, AUTO BLOGGING rocks!

      If you are not auto blogging, you are missing out!

      Giles, the Crew Chief
      Believe it or not - of all the things I have tried and set up I have not done serious autoblogging.

      I got caffenated content when it first came out - just to play. My initial plan with it was to pull in the content and go back in and rewrite the majority of it just to be unique.

      Recently I've been perusing some plugins for amazon to pull that content in - and was thinking to pair it up with some other auto content. This would be for micro niches of course - the ones that would be the most difficult to get content on.

      Still shopping around.

      I was a bit upset earlier about your comment on the aliens as they do exist - but I had to let it slide. It is Thanksgiving after all.
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    Never gonna happen.
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  • Profile picture of the author Owen Smith
    If Google banned autoblogs today, google would collapse, there would be 20% at least less advertising space and less Adsense campaigns to match, be realistic.
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    • Profile picture of the author paulgl
      Originally Posted by Owen Smith View Post

      If Google banned autoblogs today, google would collapse, there would be 20% at least less advertising space and less Adsense campaigns to match, be realistic.
      That sounds logical, but in reality at any given moment, the adwords users who
      currently are showing ads is probably at best, below 5%. Which means 95% of
      potential ads don't get shown. So a 20% drop in ad space would be
      instantly filled. And the quality of ad space would instantly improve, making
      minimum bids higher, more revenue to google and adsense users still in
      the mix.

      The percent of ads shown is probably much lower than 5%.

      Since thousands of websites are created each day, and google has an unending
      number of people wishing to get in on adwords and adsense, there would be
      no problem.

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  • It's possible, but it depends how well they've developed their alogrithm.

    And TPW is correct, one of the 'easiest' ways (not the only way) is simply looking at footprints. Chances are 1000's of the 'autoblog' sites do things *exactly* the same way, because 1000's of people purchased 'Ultimate AutoBlog Profits by Joe Shmoe', and are too lazy to change anything.

    So yes, it is quite easy for Google (rather the computer algorithms) to detect. If they are stepping it up a bit (i.e., to find variations), that is also possible.

    If google has gotten wind of the 'auto-blog' abuse, then yes, it is very easy for them to sandbox those sites.

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  • Profile picture of the author Ethan Ooi
    AdSense Facts & Fiction Part V: Unoriginal content - Inside AdSense

    this is interesting...not only sandboxing autoblog...but probably banning adsense now....
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  • Profile picture of the author satrap
    I have to agree with Andy. Are they going to ban all the news sites, article sites, membership sites and all the rest?...

    On the other hand, we have seen it before that sometimes when they come up with a new rule or a new ban on something, they dont care if some legit sites get punished in the process. Why would they care anyway? Its Google!
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  • Profile picture of the author celente
    been warning people in here about this for a long time.

    Rsberg, eveytime one of these posts show up you come and say how good autoblogging is .... check to ignore mate. Ignorance is bliss.

    Time for people to bite the bullet and go out and create real blogs full of useful content that will gain intrest. Not just use the cheap, lazy ass way to clog up the net with yet more crap.

    I mean, comeon seriously sit down with yourself and think about it.
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    • Profile picture of the author Rsberg
      Originally Posted by celente View Post

      been warning people in here about this for a long time.

      Rsberg, eveytime one of these posts show up you come and say how good autoblogging is .... check to ignore mate. Ignorance is bliss.

      Time for people to bite the bullet and go out and create real blogs full of useful content that will gain intrest. Not just use the cheap, lazy ass way to clog up the net with yet more crap.

      I mean, comeon seriously sit down with yourself and think about it.
      I'm amazed it took you this long to post here celente...I mean really, everytime there's an autoblogging thread or anything remotely connected to it you are there pretty quickly spreading your hate.

      I've heard it from you before...many times...

      "real blogs...blah blah blah...real content...blah blah blah"

      Don't you ever get tired of trash talking other peoples choices in how they approach IM? Have you ever thought that it really is NONE of your business? No one elected you supreme being over all that is IM. I'm sure you think you are but I promise you...you're not!

      I bet it burns your ass that none of my blogs (and many others I know and talk to pretty regularly) have been affected yet several "unique" content sites have suffered and dropped in the rankings due to this new Google change.

      Also...I have NEVER said "how good autoblogging is", what I have said is that you (and many other "haters") have sadly mistaken what it is all about, what it can offer not only the individual reader but the internet as a whole and the fact that it can offer value to both. I along with many others here have found ways to make it work for us AND provide value. I'm sorry you cant seem to accept that but as usual...thats just your opinion!
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  • Profile picture of the author yukon
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    Originally Posted by warriortx View Post

    Hi Warriors

    I was told by a close friend of mine that has a friend that works for google
    and he tells me that google is inches away of nailing auto blogs and dripping blogs which I think are the same and sending them to the sandbox which I believe because they can already nail most of the back linking software out there so beware.

    My question is has anyone heard anything?
    I have a friend that knows a guys, mail man, neighbors, nephews, mother inlaws, bankers kids teachers, doctors patients, webmaster that says Google will never stop auto blogs! :rolleyes:

    They might stop the herds footprint, but not the guy that took the time upfront to not stand out like all the other thousands that use the same setup/themes.
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    • Profile picture of the author warriortx
      Originally Posted by yukon View Post

      I have a friend that knows a guys, mail man, neighbors, nephews, mother inlaws, bankers kids teachers, doctors patients, webmaster that says Google will never stop auto blogs! :rolleyes:

      They might stop the herds footprint, but not the guy that took the time upfront to not stand out like all the other thousands that use the same setup/themes.

      Your crazy
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