Will Google shut down your Adsense account for Autoblogging?

16 years ago

No proper answer for this one. But there is a risk with autoblogging with adsense. The best post frequency would be 2-3 Days.

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Rsberg

16 years ago

Is it possible...certainly, is it probable...not necessarily, especially if you approach it in a manner that adds value to your posts for your readers.

There are several people here who are obviously against anything with the words “auto” and “blogging” combined, which I’m sure they will no doubt post here eventually. They will rush in and start screaming how bad auto blogging is, how all of those sites are nothing but trash or spam and how Google will eventually do away with all of them. They might even reference a thread here that received a lot of attention and was almost immediately debunked by the majority of readers, even some who are against auto blogging. This goes to show that the thread was pure nonsense and backed by speculations from someone who wishes to see auto blogging (and those who use it) fail. Unfortunately they are very close minded and most often times have those opinions because they failed with auto blogging themselves.

Most of the time (maybe not all but certainly most) they will state emphatically that auto blogging is nothing but pure spam and should be illegal. Unfortunately they just can’t seem to see past their own opinions and failures with it.

Auto blogging is NO different than any other IM method, it can be done wrong or it can be done right. That choice is in the hands of the marketer implementing the approach.

Wish you the best of luck in your marketing!

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AFI

16 years ago

I'm just fooling around with it. I don't have any real strategy, I'm just testing it out on one of my junk domains and trying to figure out how to really make any money with it. But I certainly don't want to get banned for it.

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vstar00

16 years ago

google wont shut you down for dup content, but they may for auto blogging.

to get around it, download KB_robots.txt plugin and paste the following into the txt box:

Sitemap: /sitemap.xml
User-agent: *
Disallow: /wp-content/cache/
Disallow: /wp-content/themes/
Disallow: /wp-content/plugins/
Disallow: /wp-admin/
Disallow: /wp-includes/
Disallow: /wp-login.php

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AFI

16 years ago

Originally Posted by vstar00

google wont shut you down for dup content, but they may for auto blogging.

to get around it, download KB_robots.txt plugin and paste the following into the txt box:

Sitemap: /sitemap.xml
User-agent: *
Disallow: /wp-content/cache/
Disallow: /wp-content/themes/
Disallow: /wp-content/plugins/
Disallow: /wp-admin/
Disallow: /wp-includes/
Disallow: /wp-login.php

EXCELLENT TIP! Thank you!!

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ajetayo

16 years ago

Originally Posted by vstar00

google wont shut you down for dup content, but they may for auto blogging.

to get around it, download KB_robots.txt plugin and paste the following into the txt box:

Sitemap: /sitemap.xml
User-agent: *
Disallow: /wp-content/cache/
Disallow: /wp-content/themes/
Disallow: /wp-content/plugins/
Disallow: /wp-admin/
Disallow: /wp-includes/
Disallow: /wp-login.php

Excellent tip Indeed. I love warrior forum

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dexcell

16 years ago

Originally Posted by vstar00

google wont shut you down for dup content, but they may for auto blogging.

to get around it, download KB_robots.txt plugin and paste the following into the txt box:

Sitemap: /sitemap.xml
User-agent: *
Disallow: /wp-content/cache/
Disallow: /wp-content/themes/
Disallow: /wp-content/plugins/
Disallow: /wp-admin/
Disallow: /wp-includes/
Disallow: /wp-login.php

Thanks for the tips

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mecanique

16 years ago

Originally Posted by vstar00

google wont shut you down for dup content, but they may for auto blogging.

to get around it, download KB_robots.txt plugin and paste the following into the txt box:

Sitemap: /sitemap.xml
User-agent: *
Disallow: /wp-content/cache/
Disallow: /wp-content/themes/
Disallow: /wp-content/plugins/
Disallow: /wp-admin/
Disallow: /wp-includes/
Disallow: /wp-login.php

thanks

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dburk

16 years ago

Hi AFI,

Google is a big proponent of auto-generated content. Two of their biggest properties, Search and News, are based totally on auto-generated content.

They seem to have absolutely no problem with auto generated content on blogs as long as it doesn't violate their policies for the AdSense program. There are no policies specifically against auto-generated content.

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markowe

16 years ago

Originally Posted by dburk

Hi AFI,

Google is a big proponent of auto-generated content. Two of their biggest properties, Search and News, are based totally on auto-generated content.

They seem to have absolutely no problem with auto generated content on blogs as long as it doesn't violate their policies for the AdSense program. There are no policies specifically against auto-generated content.

AdSense Facts & Fiction Part V: Unoriginal content - Inside AdSense

Extract:

Fiction: Publishers can put ads on auto-generated pages or other copied content that was not created by them.

Fact: We don't allow sites with auto-generated or otherwise unoriginal content to participate in the AdSense program. This is to ensure that our users are benefiting from a unique online experience and that our advertisers are partnering with useful and relevant sites.

What part of that allows for auto-blogged content? I think it is deceptive of people to say that the Adsense TOS allows for this - while it may be possible to find loopholes in this, or even to somehow combine autogenerated content in some intelligent way that adds value to site visitors, but you are walking a fine line at best. Stay away from it, is my opinion.

Hey, didn't you get banned from Adsense OP?

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dburk

16 years ago

Originally Posted by markowe

AdSense Facts & Fiction Part V: Unoriginal content - Inside AdSense

Extract:

What part of that allows for auto-blogged content? I think it is deceptive of people to say that the Adsense TOS allows for this - while it may be possible to find loopholes in this, or even to somehow combine autogenerated content in some intelligent way that adds value to site visitors, but you are walking a fine line at best. Stay away from it, is my opinion.

There is a slight difference in autoblogging and autogenerated content. While auto blogging may use autogenerated content, it also may not. If you read the page you took that snippet from you will see the author clarifies the context in which autogenrated content is a violation, specifically plagiarized content scraped and presented as you own original content is a violation.

Autoblogging can and often includes actions that do not violate any AdSense policy, however many folks use techniques that are specifically violating policies. For example anyone who has scheduled a post for a future date has employed an autoblogging tool. This use is certainly not a violation.

Plugins that automatically tweet your post on twitter, might also be considered autoblogging, as well as plugins that automatically repost to other blogs you operate. Plugins that scrape snippets of text (within reasonable use) and cite the source with a autogenerated backlink (just as Google does on their news site) are a form of autoblogging and if done in a way that adds value, and is sufficiently moderated, will not create a problem for AdSense publishers.

Most autoblogging tools do not force you to violate AdSense policies, it is just the many who choose to use the technology also choose to use it in a dubious manner.

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pmp123

16 years ago

Originally Posted by vstar00

google wont shut you down for dup content, but they may for auto blogging.

to get around it, download KB_robots.txt plugin and paste the following into the txt box:

Sitemap: /sitemap.xml
User-agent: *
Disallow: /wp-content/cache/
Disallow: /wp-content/themes/
Disallow: /wp-content/plugins/
Disallow: /wp-admin/
Disallow: /wp-includes/
Disallow: /wp-login.php

Can someone please explain me how would this help or what this does exactly?

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Stephen Crooks

16 years ago

Originally Posted by pmp123

Can someone please explain me how would this help or what this does exactly?

It prevents search engine bots from crawling your plugins folder where you might have your autoblog plugin. This of course is assuming that you are using both Wordpress and using a plugin to automate the task.

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ElectronPlumber

16 years ago

AFI, all the advice above about robots.txt and the like is great and you should try it.

HOWEVER, to actually answer your question...

YES, absolutely you can have your Adsense account shut down for Autoblogging. There are multiple places in the Adsense and Webmaster Quality Guidelines from Google that cover this, including the sections cited above about Scraped Content, Copyright Infringement, and the like. The chances are low but IT DOES HAPPEN.

Do NOT use a quality Adsense account that is making you good money for an autoblog site. Create another account using a different company name and bank account/credit card, which is the only legal way to own multiple Adsense accounts. Don't link them together with the same Google Analytics or Webmaster account or domain registration records. There have been stories here on this forum about people who have had 50+ sites deindexed because they had one site violation that was linked with all the others. Basic rule is for every 5-10 sites, make new accounts, host them on different IPs with different or private registrations.

End of story.

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dburk

16 years ago

Hi AFI,

You can safely ignore the advice about blocking your plugin directories using the robots.txt file. The Googlebots don't crawl those directories (unless you are linking to them) and blocking them with robots.txt does nothing to prevent Google from discovering them.

Having said that, you needn't worry about using autoblogging technology, provided you use it responsibly, there is absolutely nothing in the AdSense Policies that expressly prohibit the use of automation.

It's not the technology platform that you use that may put you at risk, it is how you use it. Regardless of whether you are using autoblogging technology, or not, you must follow AdSense policies. The use of autoblogging technology while following AdSense policies is completely safe.

Can you use autoblogging software without violating copyright law?
Yes, Absolutely.

Can you use autoblogging software in a way that does not violate AdSense Policies? Yes, absolutely.

Do most folks use autoblogging software in a way that complies with AdSense policy? No they don't. If you use autoblogging software the same way the typical user does, you will likely be violating AdSense policy, so don't do that.

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Stephen Crooks

16 years ago

Originally Posted by dburk

Hi AFI,

You can safely ignore the advice about blocking your plugin directories using the robots.txt file. The Googlebots don't crawl those directories (unless you are linking to them) and blocking them with robots.txt does nothing to prevent Google from discovering them.

Without wanting to take this thread too far off topic. You are wrong that they do not crawl those Wordpress directories, they do. It is a good idea to disallow the bots from crawling those directories because they do index them if you don't.

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tdd1984

16 years ago

Originally Posted by AFI

I know so many people here to autoblogging but someone warned me about it today saying that Google will shut down your Adsense account if they found out about it. I'd never heard that before and I just wondered if this person just didn't know what they were talking about.

Can you get banned from Adsense for autoblogging? :confused::confused:

Anything that your doing that is geared around spam. You most certainly should be worried.

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Rsberg 16 years ago

Originally Posted by tdd1984

Anything that your doing that is geared around spam. You most certainly should be worried.

Spam - most likely

Auto Blogging - only if you do it by spamming, just like any other IM method...there is a right and wrong way to do it.

Auto Blogging doesn't automatically = spam (although this is a common misconception many have).
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noble

16 years ago

Its not auto blogging that is against TOS but MFA, or made for adsense, is. So it really depends on how you go about your auto blogging.

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Nexus7 16 years ago

Originally Posted by noble

Its not auto blogging that is against TOS but MFA, or made for adsense, is. So it really depends on how you go about your auto blogging.

There's nothing in the Adsense TOS about MFA. They may de-index a MFA site if it gets a review, but your Adsense account won't get shut down.

As for autoblogging, the Webmaster Guidelines state:

Auto-generated content: Content generated programatically. Often this will consist of random paragraphs of text that make no sense to the reader but that may contain search keywords.

Scraped content: Some webmasters make use of content taken from other, more reputable sites on the assumption that increasing the volume of web pages with random, irrelevant content is a good long-term strategy. Purely scraped content, even from high-quality sources, may not provide any added value to your users without additional useful services or content provided by your site. It's worthwhile to take the time to create original content that sets your site apart. This will keep your visitors coming back and will provide useful search results.

Little or no original content - Webmaster Tools Help

I wouldn't worry about it, but it's best to mix in some original content from time to time and keep the auto generated posts to a minimum. Rather than have it posting every hour, set the software to make a post every few days, once a week, or once a month.
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WealthWithin 16 years ago

Originally Posted by noble

Its not auto blogging that is against TOS but MFA, or made for adsense, is. So it really depends on how you go about your auto blogging.

Did you even read TOS?

AdSense says - 'Don't use scraped content. It's a violation of our policies.'
The do's and dont's to increase cost per click - Inside AdSense

Answer is - YES, It's a violation of their TOS, and they can shut down your account.
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Hardik Jogi

16 years ago

It may shut down if you are over spamming.

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16 years ago

This is what I was also wondering. I am always worried when it comes to adsense cause once they shut you down its really hard to get a new account. I always like to play it safe.

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Ethan Ooi

16 years ago

there is no real answer, and as vstar00 has pointed out, use robots.txt to control the google bots.

But google wont straight away ban ur account, there will be a manual review before they decided to ban an account.

When they do manual review, it is quite easy for them to spot autoblog.

The only way is make it to not seems like an autoblog at all even to human eyes.

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Buyseech 16 years ago

Can someone please tell me the difference then between an autoblog and an article directory, which does not review the articles.

There are thousands of directories full of duplicate content which gets processed there on a daily basis. We are talkinh in millions of articles ( software like UAW and AMR etc. ).

Isnt that the exact same thing? Please correct me if I am wrong.

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packjack

16 years ago

Yes they will shut your account if someone from adsense team get a chance to review your account.

Remember a ban means a lifetime ban to open another account under your name.

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Stephen Crooks 16 years ago

Autoblogging is just a marketing term that describes a method of creating sites using software. There is nothing in the Adsense TOS that specifically mentions "autoblogs" as a violation of their terms.

However, there are some practices employed in the process of using software to build sites that can and will break some Adsense policies. The main one being, and I quote..
Copyrighted Material

AdSense publishers may not display Google ads on web pages with content protected by copyright law unless they have the necessary legal rights to display that content. Please see our DMCA policy for more information.

This of course is true for all sites but if you are automating this task, then it is hard not to break this policy.
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Groovystar

16 years ago

Yes, they will shut it down if they find out about it, and the content is clearly spun. If you make your autoblog so good it can't be distinguished from the "real thing," I don't think you have anything to worry about, but I'd just do the real thing, honestly. It actually does not take much time to update a blog.

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Dr.faizan

16 years ago

I know few guys making hundreds every month with autoblogs. so no adsense wont bann you for autoblogs but beware your service host provider may bann you for copyright content

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4morereferrals

16 years ago

Originally Posted by Dr.faizan

I know few guys making hundreds every month with autoblogs. so no adsense wont bann you for autoblogs but beware your service host provider may bann you for copyright content

Ahhh the WF spin cycle ... it wont happen to you because Im making $$$ doing it argument.

Or ... its ok because my second cousins sisters - aunt lucy, who knows of an ex google employee in bangladesh who emailed her, he "thought" it might be fine if ... you also did x y and z

Thanks to the dude who pasted in the Adsense TOS data that clearly says ... Dont effing do it!

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16 years ago

Well one day with Autoblogging and Adsense you will get a nice e-mail saying...knock it off...your hosting website just generated a click from a page about Burger King.

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pmp123

16 years ago

I am not sure I am getting it.. what about careerjet.com? Aren't they autoposting using some custom (illegal) scrapper? They scrap job openings from hundered of sites and post on their own site. They have good PR and adsense also.
Suppose I use autobloging for same (posting jobs on my site from various other job site feeds) along with adsense. There are few other sites with good PR who use to scrap product info and reviews from multiple sites and they have thousands of products.

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markowe

16 years ago

Originally Posted by pmp123

I am not sure I am getting it.. what about careerjet.com? Aren't they autoposting using some custom (illegal) scrapper? They scrap job openings from hundered of sites and post on their own site. They have good PR and adsense also.
Suppose I use autobloging for same (posting jobs on my site from various other job site feeds) along with adsense. There are few other sites with good PR who use to scrap product info and reviews from multiple sites and they have thousands of products.

They are a search engine, they are crawling and indexing other sites and aggregating the data in a way that is useful for users, some of which I imagine requires manual categorisation. That's a very far cry from most autoblogs, I assure you, whose owner doesn't want to go to all the effort of creating content, but just wants Google rankings and Adsense clicks off other people's RSS content.

Yes, there may be a fine line somewhere in between, but it's at your own risk if you want to find where that line is. I have personally pulled Adsense off my only mashup site, even though I think it is relatively useful (Google doesn't, it got hit in the rankings a while back). I don't want to risk it. If other people want to advise creating autogenerated sites for Adsense earnings, I would say they are being irresponsible if they do not give the whole picture, including what Google CLEARLY says in their Adsense TOS.

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dburk

16 years ago

Originally Posted by pmp123

I am not sure I am getting it.. what about careerjet.com? Aren't they autoposting using some custom (illegal) scrapper? They scrap job openings from hundered of sites and post on their own site. They have good PR and adsense also.
Suppose I use autobloging for same (posting jobs on my site from various other job site feeds) along with adsense. There are few other sites with good PR who use to scrap product info and reviews from multiple sites and they have thousands of products.

Hi pmp123,

Yes, they are scraping content using an automated script, just as most autoblogging software does, and contrary to what some folks might have you believe, they are using AdSense ads. The reason they are allowed to do this is because they are not plagiarizing content (claiming authorship), they limit the text snippet to reasonable size and provide attribution in the form of a link to the original source.

There are thousands of websites using AdSense with automatically scraped content that do not violate any terms of the AdSense program. It's all in how you do it. Do it ethically and it's not a problem. Where most autobloggers go wrong is they cross those ethical boundaries by not staying within reasonable use, and failing to cite the source.

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markowe

16 years ago

Originally Posted by dburk

Hi pmp123,

Yes, they are scraping content using an automated script, just as most autoblogging software does

Actually, they MIGHT be leveraging XML feeds supplied to them by the job sites they are 'scraping' - that's often how the bigger aggregation sites like shopping comparison or product search sites work. So that obviously wouldn't be plagiarism in any sense of the word, even though it's 'unoriginal' content in a sense. I don't know how far you can push the Adsense TOS with that, but Google as in the search engine takes a lot of convincing, hence why I stopped making thin eBay affiliate sites - they just get deranked, no Adsense ban, just a SERPS slap.

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dburk

16 years ago

Originally Posted by markowe

Actually, they MIGHT be leveraging XML feeds supplied to them by the job sites they are 'scraping' - that's often how the bigger aggregation sites like shopping comparison or product search sites work. So that obviously wouldn't be plagiarism in any sense of the word, even though it's 'unoriginal' content in a sense. I don't know how far you can push the Adsense TOS with that, but Google as in the search engine takes a lot of convincing, hence why I stopped making thin eBay affiliate sites - they just get deranked, no Adsense ban, just a SERPS slap.

Hi markowe,

The problem with thin affiliate sites is that they have the exact same content as many other webpages, and they basically serve as bridge page for the affiliated offer page. That type of auto-generated content is just a traffic generation scheme that adds no value.

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rain21

16 years ago

yes, they can ban you for auto blogging

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clydefrog

16 years ago

they can ban you for just about anything. i've seen the most minor violations get maximum punishment (account suspension i assume). but as far as auto blogging goes, improbable.

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misterlmno

16 years ago

this thread is great, i have seen alot of sites for sale on flippa with autoblog/adsense.

WealthWithin wrote:

AdSense says - 'Don't use scraped content. It’s a violation of our policies.'
The do's and dont's to increase cost per click - Inside AdSense

Answer is - YES, It's a violation of their TOS, and they can shut down your account.

it is a very thin line to tread if you base adsense as your main income.

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samual james

16 years ago

Originally Posted by misterlmno

this thread is great, i have seen alot of sites for sale on flippa with autoblog/adsense.

WealthWithin wrote:

AdSense says - 'Don't use scraped content. It's a violation of our policies.'
The do's and dont's to increase cost per click - Inside AdSense

Answer is - YES, It's a violation of their TOS, and they can shut down your account.

it is a very thin line to tread if you base adsense as your main income.

so if we are using auto blogging then adsenses account will be disable or banned

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aaronngoh

16 years ago

The key here is to make your autoblog does not look like autoblog then it will be fine.

We need to tweak the strategy to fit what the market allowed

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guitarjosh

16 years ago

I think there's a new thread with this same question every week.

Most people don't get it because they don't understand the true meaning of "duplicate content". Auto blogging done correctly is not duplicate content and Google states that it is not grounds for action. From the link that follows... "Duplicate content on a site is not grounds for action on that site unless it appears that the intent of the duplicate content is to be deceptive and manipulate search engine results."

Get the facts

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Stephen Crooks

16 years ago

Nothing to do with the duplicate content thing, it is about using copyrighted content without permission. Autoblogging (hate that term with a vengeance) makes that job difficult to moderate.

Originally Posted by guitarjosh

I think there's a new thread with this same question every week.

Most people don't get it because they don't understand the true meaning of "duplicate content". Auto blogging done correctly is not duplicate content and Google states that it is not grounds for action. From the link that follows... "Duplicate content on a site is not grounds for action on that site unless it appears that the intent of the duplicate content is to be deceptive and manipulate search engine results."

Get the facts

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Rsberg

16 years ago

Originally Posted by Steve Crooks

Nothing to do with the duplicate content thing, it is about using copyrighted content without permission. Autoblogging (hate that term with a vengeance) makes that job difficult to moderate.

I've kind of taken a break from posting on autoblog threads for a while...

Not because I've changed my stance on autoblogging.

Not because the latest Google update has killed all of my autoblogs.

Not because it's not a viable form of IM.

Because it seems no matter what people are told, no matter what evidence is shown, no matter how it is explained...

Autoblog haters will always be autoblog haters, even after it's been explained how autoblogging can be done ethically to provide value and make some decent money at the same time (especially in relation to the effort involved).

I think this is largely due to the old mindset/perception that the term autoblogging still seems to have with most people. The masses just can't seem to get past it for some reason. Most marketers identify with the fact that times change, methods change and IM as a whole is changing...they just can't seem to believe that autoblogging is changing.

I spoke with a "hater" on this subject about a month ago (well after the latest Google update), explained some things, cleared up some typical misunderstandings...etc etc

After it was all said and done (about an hour on Skype) he still thought autoblogging was the devil...even though he had agreed with most of the points I made throughout the discussion.

Like I said...once a "hater"...

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Stephen Crooks

16 years ago

While I admit, I am not a big fan of splogging, autoblogging or whatever you want to call it, in my post I said it was the term "autoblogging" I hated. Why do autobloggers (hate that term as well) always jump straight on the defensive?

Originally Posted by Rsberg

I've kind of taken a break from posting on autoblog threads for a while...

Not because I've changed my stance on autoblogging.

Not because the latest Google update has killed all of my autoblogs.

Not because it's not a viable form of IM.

Because it seems no matter what people are told, no matter what evidence is shown, no matter how it is explained...

Autoblog haters will always be autoblog haters, even after it's been explained how autoblogging can be done ethically to provide value and make some decent money at the same time (especially in relation to the effort involved).

I think this is largely due to the old mindset/perception that the term autoblogging still seems to have with most people. The masses just can't seem to get past it for some reason. Most marketers identify with the fact that times change, methods change and IM as a whole is changing...they just can't seem to believe that autoblogging is changing.

I spoke with a "hater" on this subject about a month ago (well after the latest Google update), explained some things, cleared up some typical misunderstandings...etc etc

After it was all said and done (about an hour on Skype) he still thought autoblogging was the devil...even though he had agreed with most of the points I made throughout the discussion.

Like I said...once a "hater"...

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Rsberg

16 years ago

Originally Posted by Steve Crooks

Why do autobloggers (hate that term as well) always jump straight on the defensive?

Your kidding me right?

In the same post where you ask why we jump on the defensive (the one where you try to justify the derogitive relationship of the term) you say this...

Originally Posted by Steve Crooks

I am not a big fan of splogging, autoblogging or whatever you want to call it

You wonder why we go on the defensive...

We do that because all haters automatically (possibly without even realizing it) refer to it as spamming, content theft... etc etc...just like you did when you called splogging (relating it to spam blogging).

If a particular group of people regularly referred to your preferred method of IM (or even one you believed in and had a positive experience with) in a derogitory fashion and that's all you ever heard from that group of people (regardless of what you said), you would get defensive too...after a while it just gets old hearing the same BS.

BTW...we (autobloggers in general) aren't asking you to be a "fan", we just don't get why you always have to try to put it down or talk trash about it every chance you get.

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WealthWithin

16 years ago

Originally Posted by Rsberg

Your kidding me right?

In the same post where you ask why we jump on the defensive (the one where you try to justify the derogitive relationship of the term) you say this...

You wonder why we go on the defensive...

We do that because all haters automatically (possibly without even realizing it) refer to it as spamming, content theft... etc etc...just like you did when you called splogging (relating it to spam blogging).

If a particular group of people regularly referred to your preferred method of IM (or even one you believed in and had a positive experience with) in a derogitory fashion and that's all you ever heard from that group of people (regardless of what you said), you would get defensive too...after a while it just gets old hearing the same BS.

BTW...we (autobloggers in general) aren't asking you to be a "fan", we just don't get why you always have to try to put it down or talk trash about it every chance you get.

I think we need to clear up the definition of 'auto blogging'.

My definition of auto blogging is, automated content scraping from another site and posting in your site without the original author's permission. (this includes automated spinning and posting as well)

If I spend an hour to write an article for my site, I don't want others to steal it and post it on their site without my permission. It's unethical and those sites should not be in Google's index.

On the other hand, if I write an article for syndication, I don't care how many people copy it, as long as I'm given the credit.

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Rsberg

16 years ago

Originally Posted by WealthWithin

I think we need to clear up the definition of 'auto blogging'.

My definition of auto blogging is, automated content scraping from another site and posting in your site without the original author's permission. (this includes automated spinning and posting as well)

If I spend an hour to write an article for my site, I don't want others to steal it and post it on their site without my permission. It's unethical and those sites should not be in Google's index.

I will agree with you on 3 points...

1. That is YOUR definition.
2. If someone autoblogs by your definition then it is unethical.
3. I also think those sites should not be indexed and I will go one step further to say that if they are already indexed they should be de-indexed.

Originally Posted by WealthWithin

On the other hand, if I write an article for syndication, I don't care how many people copy it, as long as I'm given the credit.

This we agree on...at least in principle.

Many people automatically assume that autoblogging is as you perceive it...stealing content without permission. As I said, I don't agree with it and I think it gives those of us who do it ethically a bad name. The problem lies in that perception...not everyone autoblogs this way.

A lot of people automatically assume autoblogging is a bad thing, when in fact its not the method that's bad...it's how it is used that can be bad, but it can also be put to ethical use and I believe many of us do.

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dburk

16 years ago

Originally Posted by WealthWithin

I think we need to clear up the definition of 'auto blogging'.

My definition of auto blogging is, automated content scraping from another site and posting in your site without the original author's permission. (this includes automated spinning and posting as well)

If I spend an hour to write an article for my site, I don't want others to steal it and post it on their site without my permission. It's unethical and those sites should not be in Google's index.

On the other hand, if I write an article for syndication, I don't care how many people copy it, as long as I'm given the credit.

Hi WealthWithin,

I believe you have chosen a definition that over-generalizes the technology and is far from accurate. I believe a better definition would be:

Auto blogging - Technology that automates some of the tasks involved in blogging.

Your definition excludes many uses of that exact same technology. The first generation of auto blogging software was designed to be used in a an ethical fashion, using only snippets of text and automatically citing the source with a link. As newer versions were created more flexibility was added which allowed auto blogging software to be used as a black hat tool by unethical webmasters. Just because it can be used in unethical ways does not mean that it always will be.

So, what if someone is using it the way it was originally designed to be used, without plagiarizing content, without copyright violations? If not auto blogging, what then do you call the exact same technology?

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Stephen Crooks

16 years ago

Okay, apart from mentioning the word splogging, why are you on the defensive about what I said?

You say that autoblogging is different now, so please, why don't you explain how it is different and how you have managed to control the thousands of pages you automatically post without infringing on anyone's copyright?

Originally Posted by Rsberg

Your kidding me right?

In the same post where you ask why we jump on the defensive (the one where you try to justify the derogitive relationship of the term) you say this...

You wonder why we go on the defensive...

We do that because all haters automatically (possibly without even realizing it) refer to it as spamming, content theft... etc etc...just like you did when you called splogging (relating it to spam blogging).

If a particular group of people regularly referred to your preferred method of IM (or even one you believed in and had a positive experience with) in a derogitory fashion and that's all you ever heard from that group of people (regardless of what you said), you would get defensive too...after a while it just gets old hearing the same BS.

BTW...we (autobloggers in general) aren't asking you to be a "fan", we just don't get why you always have to try to put it down or talk trash about it every chance you get.

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Rsberg

16 years ago

Originally Posted by Steve Crooks

Okay, apart from mentioning the word splogging, why are you on the defensive about what I said?

Steve, you know as well as I do that most of the auto haters on this forum don't simply mention one word and then walk away. I've seen many comments on autoblogging threads by those that won't take any viewpoint but their own and although some are valid many typically fall under what most autobloggers would consider "hater" comments. You know the type of things I am talking about. I'm not trying to start an argument, just stating the fact that it exists and that they are relentless...and I think you know that.

It's the general attitude toward it that I am talking about. It amazes me that certain people seem to actually thrive on putting someone/something down simply because they don't agree with them/it. Usually it's from someone who has tried and failed with autoblogging so it comes across as...it didn't work for me so it couldn't possibly work for anyone else. This doesn't only happen with autoblogging but I do think it's more prevalent with it than any other form of IM.

Originally Posted by Steve Crooks

You say that autoblogging is different now, so please, why don't you explain how it is different and how you have managed to control the thousands of pages you automatically post without infringing on anyone's copyright?

See, this is sort of thing I am referring to as well...the way you word that screams of intolerance and has a negative ring to it. You can't simply ask how it's done ethically...you have to put a "spin" on it to try to make it sound inherently bad while asking your question.

OK, moving on...

I'm fairly certain that I (as well as a few others) have explained this on several threads...one I know for sure you were participating in. Having said that, here's a basic breakdown of how it can be done properly (without taking forever to explain every single facet of it).

Automation software exists today that allows the user to not only search for and find relevant content but it also allows the user to manually review it for quality and to be sure that the existing links are intact prior to posting. Many of us also add our own unique content into the mix to tie pieces of content within a post together, post our own opinions or thoughts...etc. Once this is done the content can be managed in a way that allows the user to arrange the content in a unique and attractive format and then drip feed it to their blogs over time. I can find content, throw in my own (when I want to), arrange it the way I want and set it to post to my blogs in a matter of 30 minutes...enough content to last for a month or more in most cases (depending on the niche and how I want to approach it).

There are several different ways to do this and many of us who have had success with autoblogging do it in different way but in the end it boils down to one huge difference that seperates todays autoblogging from what many can't seem to let go of...

We aren't simply "scarping" sites and posting "stolen" content without permission. We aren't steeling anything and if it's done properly it can in fact add value to the reader.

Unfortunately there are still autobloggers who do use it in ways that reflect poorly on the rest of us but I would be willing to bet that their days are numbered if they haven't already started to suffer.