Backlink PR questions

goodmast3r

13 years ago

Any sample link?

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brandonbaker

13 years ago

Paul and Angela's links will be PR0, for the most part. I think you may have read the sales letter that said PR6 links, and assumed you were actually getting PR6 links. You're getting links on a page that is PR0 which happens to be on a domain that has a homepage of PR6.

This PR0 is permanent unless you jack up the PR yourself.

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Saleese Phillips

13 years ago

Originally Posted by brandonbaker

Paul and Angela's links will be PR0, for the most part. I think you may have read the sales letter that said PR6 links, and assumed you were actually getting PR6 links. You're getting links on a page that is PR0 which happens to be on a domain that has a homepage of PR6.

This PR0 is permanent unless you jack up the PR yourself.

Oh.. Then what's the point of the packs..?

Originally Posted by goodmast3r

Any sample link?

here

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kaiserthesage

13 years ago

The question is, are those links dofollow? because if not, there's no real value in those links, even if their homepage have high PR.

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FrankBowman

13 years ago

Originally Posted by kaiserthesage

The question is, are those links dofollow? because if not, there's no real value in those links, even if their homepage have high PR.

First of all, and I hate to break this to you, PR is completely useless when it comes to SERPs. I have many PR0 sites outranking PR4s,5s, and even 6s. Google created PR a long time ago and they no longer give much if any weight to it in their algo.

Second "dofollow" only relates to the passage of PR from one site to another, thats it. A nofollow link with relevant anchor text is just as good as a "dofollow"

This whole nofollow/dofollow stuff is used by marketers and link sellers to cheat people out of their money.

So inconclusion, PR and dofollow are nonsense, it does not matter, you can have a bunch of nofollow links from PR0 sites and do just fine.

I have many sites that rank #1-#3 on Google page one, that have a PR of zero and very few dofollow links.

Just build links, lots of them.............its quantity not quality.........the whole PR thing is pretty much a myth

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kaiserthesage

13 years ago

Originally Posted by FrankBowman

First of all, and I hate to break this to you, PR is completely useless when it comes to SERPs. I have many PR0 sites outranking PR4s,5s, and even 6s. Google created PR a long time ago and they no longer give much if any weight to it in their algo.

Second "dofollow" only relates to the passage of PR from one site to another, thats it. A nofollow link with relevant anchor text is just as good as a "dofollow"

This whole nofollow/dofollow stuff is used by marketers and link sellers to cheat people out of their money.

So inconclusion, PR and dofollow are nonsense, it does not matter, you can have a bunch of nofollow links from PR0 sites and do just fine.

I have many sites that rank #1-#3 on Google page one, that have a PR of zero and very few dofollow links.

Just build links, lots of them.............its quantity not quality.........the whole PR thing is pretty much a myth

Cheers

I don't agree with this. I know for a fact that PR has nothing to do with SERP rankings, knowing that the fundamentals of google's algo in determining which sites to rank on first page is through "relevance". The best backlinks are commonly the ones that are built from topically relevant pages with the right anchor texts used (doesn't matter if it's nofollow or dofollow, I do agree on that part, it's just that dofollow links give much greater value or vote for the keyword).

With regards to PR, it does help keyword rankings, but in a technical way, since having high PR gives your site faster crawl rates, which means more activity from search crawlers on your site. That is very important, for them to indexed changes on your site right away, and that means more power in getting rankings for "deeper pages" as well.

Also, I've experienced this several times. I've managed to make pages rank on the first page of Google (1st to 3rd spot more often than not) in just a week or two, with just several dofollow links. And one factor that made it possible is the authority that the homepage is capable of giving its pages. Here's a sample -> search "jounce review" on Google, and you'll see a page there that I've optimized. Check the external links, and you decide

It's still QUALITY over QUANTITY.

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superSEO2011

13 years ago

Originally Posted by kaiserthesage

I don't agree with this. I know for a fact that PR has nothing to do with SERP rankings, knowing that the fundamentals of google's algo in determining which sites to rank on first page is through "relevance". The best backlinks are commonly the ones that are built from topically relevant pages with the right anchor texts used (doesn't matter if it's nofollow or dofollow, I do agree on that part, it's just that dofollow links give much greater value or vote for the keyword).

With regards to PR, it does help keyword rankings, but in a technical way, since having high PR gives your site faster crawl rates, which means more activity from search crawlers on your site. That is very important, for them to indexed changes on your site right away, and that means more power in getting rankings for "deeper pages" as well.

Also, I've experienced this several times. I've managed to make pages rank on the first page of Google (1st to 3rd spot more often than not) in just a week or two, with just several dofollow links. And one factor that made it possible is the authority that the homepage is capable of giving its pages. Here's a sample -> search "jounce review" on Google, and you'll see a page there that I've optimized. Check the external links, and you decide

It's still QUALITY over QUANTITY.

jounce review?

What site is it please?

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wmcfer17

13 years ago

Originally Posted by kaiserthesage

I don't agree with this. I know for a fact that PR has nothing to do with SERP rankings, knowing that the fundamentals of google's algo in determining which sites to rank on first page is through "relevance". The best backlinks are commonly the ones that are built from topically relevant pages with the right anchor texts used (doesn't matter if it's nofollow or dofollow, I do agree on that part, it's just that dofollow links give much greater value or vote for the keyword).

With regards to PR, it does help keyword rankings, but in a technical way, since having high PR gives your site faster crawl rates, which means more activity from search crawlers on your site. That is very important, for them to indexed changes on your site right away, and that means more power in getting rankings for "deeper pages" as well.

Also, I've experienced this several times. I've managed to make pages rank on the first page of Google (1st to 3rd spot more often than not) in just a week or two, with just several dofollow links. And one factor that made it possible is the authority that the homepage is capable of giving its pages. Here's a sample -> search "jounce review" on Google, and you'll see a page there that I've optimized. Check the external links, and you decide

It's still QUALITY over QUANTITY.

Nice explanation, I believed on your explanation. I have seen others reply and your post means a lot. But I have a question, I have a travel niche working on right now.. Do i need to make it do follow or no follow?

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kaiserthesage

13 years ago

Originally Posted by wmcfer17

Nice explanation, I believed on your explanation. I have seen others reply and your post means a lot. But I have a question, I have a travel niche working on right now.. Do i need to make it do follow or no follow?

Just make it relevant

But in my case, I'm naturalizing my campaign's link profile, so I only target topically relevant pages with high PR, regardless of what link attributes they are allowing (nofollow or dofollow). The important thing is that you get to build relationships with them, because in the long run, they might just give you some link love (in-content links, dofollow and with your targeted keywords as anchor text), just engage and be courteous with your prospects

Link building is not just about links anymore, it's more about trust.

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orvn

13 years ago

Originally Posted by FrankBowman

Just build links, lots of them.............its quantity not quality.........the whole PR thing is pretty much a myth

Cheers

Wait what? Quantity not quality? For a second, I thought that statement may be sarcasm?

I'm pretty sure that any senior warrior who walks in here will side with me on this one.
In fact, it'd be awesome if you could start a thread on the matter so we could get some experienced opinions, as this goes against most everything I've been learning about SEO.

Yes dofollow is under dispute and there is a good deal of argument surrounding this issue. I'm not going to get into my personal experimentation on that.

But just because PR hasn't been updated since April, doesn't mean it's dead. In fact, there have been PR modifications in 2010 (page load time and speed now affect PR) and a new update will occur on Jan 4th 2011.

I would advise you reconsider the quantity over quality methodology soon, because even if it's working now, it almost certainly will be discredited with the emergence of a semantic web.

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kaiserthesage

13 years ago

Originally Posted by orvn

Wait what? Quantity not quality? For a second, I thought that statement may be sarcasm?

I'm pretty sure that any senior warrior who walks in here will side with me on this one.
In fact, it'd be awesome if you could start a thread on the matter so we could get some experienced opinions, as this goes against most everything I've been learning about SEO.

Yes dofollow is under dispute and there is a good deal of argument surrounding this issue. I'm not going to get into my personal experimentation on that.

But just because PR hasn't been updated since April, doesn't mean it's dead. In fact, there have been PR modifications in 2010 (page load time and speed now affect PR) and a new update will occur on Jan 4th 2011.

I would advise you reconsider the quantity over quality methodology soon, because even if it's working now, it almost certainly will be discredited with the emergence of a semantic web.

4th of January next year. Sounds interesting, where did you get this?

Major changes will occur soon on Google's end, regarding semantic web, especially that Blekko is now focusing on this part of search.

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superSEO2011

13 years ago

Originally Posted by FrankBowman

First of all, and I hate to break this to you, PR is completely useless when it comes to SERPs. I have many PR0 sites outranking PR4s,5s, and even 6s. Google created PR a long time ago and they no longer give much if any weight to it in their algo.

Second "dofollow" only relates to the passage of PR from one site to another, thats it. A nofollow link with relevant anchor text is just as good as a "dofollow"

This whole nofollow/dofollow stuff is used by marketers and link sellers to cheat people out of their money.

So inconclusion, PR and dofollow are nonsense, it does not matter, you can have a bunch of nofollow links from PR0 sites and do just fine.

I have many sites that rank #1-#3 on Google page one, that have a PR of zero and very few dofollow links.

Just build links, lots of them.............its quantity not quality.........the whole PR thing is pretty much a myth

Cheers

Hey Frank,

Thanks for this - this is how I believe seo is!

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orvn

13 years ago

Originally Posted by superSEO2011

Hey Frank,

Thanks for this - this is how I believe seo is!

Oh is that so? Then you should find this useful: http://www.warriorforum.com/adsense-...ick-mouse.html

Go ahead. Apply it to all your sites, you get 2600+ free backlinks PER PAGE!
Maybe in a week when you notice it does virtually nothing, you'll re-evaluate your position.

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superSEO2011

13 years ago

Originally Posted by orvn

Oh is that so? Then you should find this useful: http://www.warriorforum.com/adsense-...ick-mouse.html

Go ahead. Apply it to all your sites, you get 2600+ free backlinks PER PAGE!
Maybe in a week when you notice it does virtually nothing, you'll re-evaluate your position.

I wouldn't use that I would do it manually!

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Saleese Phillips

13 years ago

Didn't even check i assumed since I pay $5, and $8 a month for, they were. o.o

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webboss

13 years ago

I think the manual process of link building is much more effective then a network.

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Mr Lim

13 years ago

Those are profile backlink.
You can search high PR sites with some plugin.

I suggest not to use this method.

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shuvo

13 years ago

Your profile link may have PR 0 but you have got a backlink which homepage has high PR and Its do follow and It matters.

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superSEO2011

13 years ago

I don't know now. I am confused I have read that lots of different backlinks will help regardless of pr rank?

Am I incorrect?

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socialbookmark

13 years ago

With Angela's or Pauls links you are making a profile in a high pagerank forum or website. But the pagerank of your profile on those websites is 0 and its natural because you can't expect that a profile page which is made some days ago, has high pagerank. Also probably the pagerank of this page is always 0 unless you make backlinks for the profile page from high pagerank pages.

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gtk29

13 years ago

I think few PR8 links would do more benefit to your site compared to many lower PR links.

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superSEO2011

13 years ago

So do Angela's or Pauls links work?

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kaiserthesage 13 years ago

Originally Posted by superSEO2011

So do Angela's or Pauls links work?

Links from those services will work if they are "relevant" in any way to your site.
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superSEO2011

13 years ago

Some are relevant and some are not. The links that are not relevant will still count right?

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seoforu

13 years ago

Paul and Angela's links are profile links hence they are Pr 0, because the PR is on the home page only not the profile page.

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