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Frustrating!! Google dance or just Google?

by rinor81
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Hey guys,
Uploaded some more niche sites with about 5-8 pages each last week and one of them was number 18 (page 2) in Google.co.uk and what do you know....now it's gone entirely.

I know about the Google dance and it looking for a place to index my site but it's more than frustrating now because I have other niche sites that are 3 months old now that were 1st page of Google and now they are gone for two weeks and I can't find them...

What the hell is going on? How can I get traffic to my sites this way? It's impossible. Does Google hate affiliate sites and does that on purpose on the organic search level as well? Hurting these sites? I have no idea what to do next. After 3 months still not to be seen? And what about the new sites that disappeared as well?

I'm frustrated here...

Thank you guys,
#dance #frustrating #google
  • Profile picture of the author superSEO2011
    That is strange - maybe some seo expert here will be able to explain. Maybe it is just the google dance?
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    • Profile picture of the author rinor81
      It's strange, it's frustrating and idiotic. You do everything according to Google and at the end you lose traffic and revenue because it decides to get your sites off the search, then back again, then off again....ideas guys?
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      • Profile picture of the author paulgl
        Why is this such a popular topic? Do people not understand that on a given
        day, there may be a million new sites indexed? The internet is not at a
        standstill.

        The title, Google dance or just Google?, yes, but google dance IS google.

        How do you get traffic? You need to put 50% of your efforts for traffic outside
        of google. IMHO, that is. Blogs, squidoo, forums, twitter, etc. Yes, it takes a lot
        of leg work. But then one day you realize you are getting people to link to
        you and have become an authority.

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        • Profile picture of the author WareTime
          The problem is not Google, it's you and your expectations

          1. Looks like most of your 60+ domains are young
          2. You've interlinked a crapload of them and your interlinks are most of your backlinking strategy
          3. Micro site, little content and little backlinks


          You're in shotgun mode. Throw it at the wall, see what sticks. The problem is you don't take enough time to make any one site work. For all of these sites you could do away with the specific keyword in the title and concentrate on Christmas Toys and build a larger site with all the content and then concentrate on getting that ranked. And why put a year in the domain? Christmas happens yearly, why not make a site for all time and just add in the top gifts each year. For that matter, why not just toys and not even Christmas. Google likes domains that stick around awhile so having one that looks dated because of the name after a year is not good.

          My advice - pick one site, or make one new one, but either way don't stop putting content on that site until you have 50+ unique pages.

          Then go on a link building campaign

          Add more pages

          Add more links

          After you get enough traffic, start experimenting and tracking results. Experiments like, this monetization, that monetization, ad here, ad there, survey's, news letters, etc

          Do not spend one more penny on anything that has a price ending in a 7.
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          • Profile picture of the author rinor81
            Originally Posted by WareTime View Post

            The problem is not Google, it's you and your expectations

            1. Looks like most of your 60+ domains are young
            2. You've interlinked a crapload of them and your interlinks are most of your backlinking strategy
            3. Micro site, little content and little backlinks


            You're in shotgun mode. Throw it at the wall, see what sticks. The problem is you don't take enough time to make any one site work. For all of these sites you could do away with the specific keyword in the title and concentrate on Christmas Toys and build a larger site with all the content and then concentrate on getting that ranked. And why put a year in the domain? Christmas happens yearly, why not make a site for all time and just add in the top gifts each year. For that matter, why not just toys and not even Christmas. Google likes domains that stick around awhile so having one that looks dated because of the name after a year is not good.

            My advice - pick one site, or make one new one, but either way don't stop putting content on that site until you have 50+ unique pages.

            Then go on a link building campaign

            Add more pages

            Add more links

            After you get enough traffic, start experimenting and tracking results. Experiments like, this monetization, that monetization, ad here, ad there, survey's, news letters, etc

            Do not spend one more penny on anything that has a price ending in a 7.
            OK, now here are my comments.
            Don't think you're so smart ahead of us all here. The reason there's a year in the domain is maybe because everything else was taken? Have you thought of that?
            I keep reading the same answers and they are wrong people. It's not about pages and pages, there are sites that are mini sites who are on first page, including mine. Adding more and more content is not the answer and not the problem in this case. I also see a lot of crappy sites on page 1 so what? They are authority? Bull****, they are aged...only makes Google un-dated in this case.
            Don't think it's all about getting more and more pages, sure it will help since it will be able to track long tails and different content but that's not the case of this dance like I've mentioned before.

            As for linking to the site, they get their links from various sites, not just other micro sites, including article sites, so don't pretend you know the problem.

            And the reason this is such a popular topic my dear friend Paul, is because this wasn't the case in the past. Google did not place you, then got you away and so on, it took some time but then your rankings were stable. Now I read there's the new crawl and the main crawl of Google....a very weird system now days.

            I agree about links, and yes content helps but what's the deal of removing the sites and getting them back? This is very unstable and unrelated for the size of your site.
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            • Profile picture of the author WareTime
              Originally Posted by rinor81 View Post

              OK, now here are my comments.
              Don't think you're so smart ahead of us all here. The reason there's a year in the domain is maybe because everything else was taken? Have you thought of that?
              I keep reading the same answers and they are wrong people. It's not about pages and pages, there are sites that are mini sites who are on first page, including mine. Adding more and more content is not the answer and not the problem in this case. I also see a lot of crappy sites on page 1 so what? They are authority? Bull****, they are aged...only makes Google un-dated in this case.
              Don't think it's all about getting more and more pages, sure it will help since it will be able to track long tails and different content but that's not the case of this dance like I've mentioned before.

              As for linking to the site, they get their links from various sites, not just other micro sites, including article sites, so don't pretend you know the problem.

              And the reason this is such a popular topic my dear friend Paul, is because this wasn't the case in the past. Google did not place you, then got you away and so on, it took some time but then your rankings were stable. Now I read there's the new crawl and the main crawl of Google....a very weird system now days.

              I agree about links, and yes content helps but what's the deal of removing the sites and getting them back? This is very unstable and unrelated for the size of your site.

              Yes, there are micro sites ranking, but you see yourself, it seems to be getting more difficult. I'm suggesting to you, what was and is a much better approach for myself and many.

              You are afraid of keeping the crapper and dumping the gold. Here's the thing any site can be gold if worked at the right way.

              As far as all the good names being taken, don't make me laugh. I guess team-schuman ranks for make money online because it's the perfect EMD. The domain is old and has links. Their are ways to rank with a new domain. Typically some viral content that generates oodles of links and you're done. Easier said than done.

              IM is not GRQ, depsite what many gooo-rooos would have you believe.

              As far as Google, it's their algorithm, they'll test improvements at will. Did you stop to think that maybe they don't like all the micro sites ranking above sites that actually may serve readers better. Maybe they are testing for the right tweak that plummets the most non deserving (in their eyes) sites.

              Much like the stock market, on the internet past performance is no guarantee of future results.
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  • Profile picture of the author bestitrix
    Web masters throughout the world are continuously adding pages and backlinks to position their website to the first page of Google and that is why your webpages will keep moving up and down i.e. "Google Breakdance"
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  • Profile picture of the author mattlaclear
    I had one site go from page six to not being ranked in the top 200 for six months. I just kept backlinking to it and when it came back it was in the top 5. At the moment it's sitting at #3. So quit freaking and start backlinking!
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    • Profile picture of the author Billy Rey
      Originally Posted by mattlaclear View Post

      I had one site go from page six to not being ranked in the top 200 for six months. I just kept backlinking to it and when it came back it was in the top 5. At the moment it's sitting at #3. So quit freaking and start backlinking!
      Exactly. Nothing to be scared about. Once you get scared about this little thing, you'll stop doing. It'll come back higher than ever.
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      • Profile picture of the author rinor81
        Thanks for all the great posts and suggestions guys, nothing personal of-course it's just very frustrating that you work on a site and no matter how big it is, yes it takes time and effort and then Google decides to do whatever he wishes when there are crappy sites ahead of me for no reason.

        I see there are people who say keep backlinking and there are those who say make a bigger site with more and more pages.

        I guess it's the mixture of both, but I still believe even a niche site can be well targeted and on page 1 of Google since it's very specific, guess it's more about backlinks....

        Again, thanks for everything.
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        • Profile picture of the author rinor81
          Hey guys,
          Searched Google today and now I see my small niche sites are back and again to where they were (page 1, places 4 and 8).
          It is nice to see the hard work hasn't gone to waste and that the sites are back...so if they are back to where they were prior to disappearing, why disappearing in first place?
          Strange the dance...

          Comments?

          Thanks guys,
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  • Profile picture of the author socialbookmark
    This huge change in position of your website in Google results, is like Google dance and i think the reason is the age of your website and the amount of backlinks you made for it. I think you made a lot of backlinks for it and now Google doesn't know the exact position of your website and it ranks high sometimes and sometimes it ranks very low. This problem will be solved and just continue what you did.
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