30 Day SEO Experiment: Macbook pro EMD back on 1st page

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Hey fellow Warriors, you've come across the thread for the 30 Day+ SEO Experiment.

Updates:
- 30 days is up. Read the post on page 3 to see the results.

- Read page 4 to see how the EMD for macbook pro is back on the 1st page



I added this experiment on Warrior Forum because I've been doing alot of SEO testing for my own benefit in ranking my "money sites, and my client's sites over the past year. I figure since I'm doing these tests either way - why not add one on here so everyone can benefit along with me.

The Goal of this Experiment:


The general goal of the experiment is to test top search engine position ranking times with different variables. These variables are:

- Exact match domain (EMD) vs. non Exact match domains vs. no keyword domains
- Matured domains vs. brand new registered domains
- Test different monetization methods

There's just 2 of them, but these variables in themselves have alot more in the background behind them (I'll get to that soon)

What we hope to get out of this:

Simple really...

- How much easier it is to rank with EMDs vs non-EMD vs domains without the keywords in it?
- How much easier it is to rank with Matured Domains vs. Brand New Domains?
- I'll be testing using clickbank, amazon, and adsense. How much each site earns being on a different monetization method

The Plan:

The overall plan is to build sites on 5 different domains, all with different variables, then backlink them to get them ranking.

Onpage seo:

I've tried to follow onpage seo best practices, and have tried to make each site as equal as possible. Here's some of the things I've done:

- Title & Description have main keyword twice
- Written 3 artices of various lenghts for each site
- Permalinks have the title of the post in them
- Made the main keyword bold a few times in the posts
- Linked from one post to another using the main keyword
- Linked out of the site to wikipedia (an authority site) using the main keyword. This I put in the footer
- Use allinone seo wordpress plugin

Offpage seo:

I will be building the same types & amounts of backlinks to each site to try and make it as even as possible. Here's what I'll be doing:

- Directory submission of each site to ~2500 directories
- Forum Profile backlinks (~100 or 200 per week) - some of these will include edu sites
- Blog commenting - Blog comments from non-revelant PR 0-5 pages, & relevant pages (not sure on the number yet, I'll post an update)
- Short Blog Posts - Pay some bloggers to write posts about the sites on their blog
- Get some high PR backlinks (this will be toward the end and will only be done if the sites aren't ranking in the top yet)

That's about it for Offpage.. I'll be doing all the backlinking myself using my backlink building lists and methods.

The Sites

I'm going to be working with 5 sites with different stats & in different niches.

Building the sites

CMS - The sites are all on Wordpress. I used my own 1st Page Killer Earnings theme (you can grab it for free from my signature below) for 4 of them, and used a free Wordpress theme for one of them just to spice things up.

Content -
All the sites have ~3 articles on them. I outsourced the writing of 2 of the articles, used just to have more content on the site, and write the article on the front page myself (for most the sites).

* Once the sites start hitting the 1st page - the "salescopy" on the 1st page of these sites will be tested and improved to increase conversions.

Monetization - Sites are monetized with: CPA offers, Clickbank, Amazon, & Adsense. To monetize, I just wrote a review for the products (except for the adsense site) and put up banners from the network.

Total Time to build each - ~30-45 minutes including article writing.

Stats:


The matured domains I picked up either from a domain auction, or from the forums (all for ~$10) and the new domains from Godaddy ($7.49).

For each site, I'll show you:
  1. The site url
  2. current domains stats (like PR, baclinks, age, ect - stats from diagnosticoweb.com)
  3. Ranking stats for the keywords I'm targeting (from market samurai)
  4. Keyword stats for the keywords I'm targeting - such as Search volume, Expected traffic in position #1, CPC (from market samurai)
  5. Competition for the main keyword I'm targeting
  6. and apply the FEMO for a rough estimate of what I think the site can earn in position 1-3 for it's main keyword to tell us how much we might expect to make (these #s can be vastly off )
Site 1 - Bloggingtothebank [.] org

Mature, EMD, Clickbank monetization

*already ranking in the top 100 for the main keyword (HUGE benefit of grabbing these mature domains!)



Site 2 - Shavingproducts [.] net

Mature, EMD, Adsense monetization

*already ranking in the top 100 for the main keyword



Domain 3 - MacbookProReview [.] org

New, EMD, Amazon monetization

* Same keyword as domain 4 - direct comparison between New, EMD & Matured, no-keyword-domain to see the difference in results between the two



Domain 4 - LostWishes [.] com

Mature, no keyword in domain, Amazon monetization

* Same keyword as domain 4 - direct comparison between New, EMD & Matured, no-keyword-domain to see the difference in results between the two



Domain 5 - Satellitedirectx [.] com

New, EMD, Clickbank monetization

(The figures for FEMO seem crazy, but thats what it gave me...)



Margin of Error

Of course the results will not be 100% accurate. I'm targeting different keywords with different competition levels, and the matured domains have different stats. With that in mind, I still think it'll be a worthwhile experiment.


Well that's about it, I think I've covered about everything. Let me know any questions you have. I'll post updates every few days on what work I've done and any progress in the SERPs.


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  • Profile picture of the author Dan B Rusu
    Oh I almost forgot.

    For the anchor text - I'll be varying it like this:

    60-70% main keyword
    25-35% other keywords
    5-10% the domain/ "click here" to make it look more natural
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    • Profile picture of the author yukon
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      • Profile picture of the author Dan B Rusu
        Originally Posted by Thunder059 View Post

        Its interesting to hear this new. Of course, this would be a great help for the people those who are trying on various approaches. And i believe you will update us time by time regarding the rankings. It would helpful for us.
        Ya there will be alot to learn from this experiment.

        Originally Posted by siahhongmarketing View Post

        Excellent thread.. seems like mature domains are much better than anything else. Will be following!
        I love mature domains

        Originally Posted by Ken Rogers View Post

        Well done on the quick ranking! I will be keeping up with this experiment!
        Thanks!

        Originally Posted by yukon View Post

        I would use the exact EMD URL instead of "click here", If it's an EMD than at least your keyword will still be in the link. Still would look natural.

        Example: hxxp://www.reallyfastcars.com
        For some of the links im doing "click here" and some im doing just the url as that is natural as well. I'm shooting for 5% of them being the url.

        Thanks for bringing this up
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  • Profile picture of the author Look4VGames
    I am following for sure!
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  • Profile picture of the author orvn
    Very nice. I enjoyed your methodological approach.
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    • Profile picture of the author my.a.ae
      As I read your thread it is very interesting and I found new strategies to use in SEO. Thanks!!!
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  • Profile picture of the author dubur
    go on bro... ill follow ur methods here...
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  • Profile picture of the author Evanna Zainal
    bookmarked!
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  • Profile picture of the author busoppreviews
    This is something I have always wondered and an experiment I would like to do but just don't have the time. I look forward to the results.
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  • Profile picture of the author Dan B Rusu
    Merry Christmas everyone!

    I jumped on very quick today to say I'm glad to see some people are following this thread and give you an update.

    Update: I've just completed submitting every site to the directories. The sites should start seeing some backlinks very soon. I'll be posting updates on backlinks & ranking movement as we go along.

    Group question: I want to try and get some group input. Right some I'm varying the anchor text like this:

    60-70% main keyword
    25-35% other keywords
    5-10% the domain/ "click here" to make it look more natural

    I know everyone has different opinions on this matter, what variation has worked best for you in the past?

    Again Merry Christmas, and I look forward to the responses.
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  • Profile picture of the author DJ DeMarco
    Hi Dan, very interesting journey. I'm sure will be followed this thread. I want to act in action too, but I'm in low budget now so, I just learn from your thread now, and will duplicate your plan soon. Thanks
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  • Profile picture of the author Dan B Rusu
    I've disclosed the domains I'm using in the test for everyone to see so everyone can learn more from the experiment.

    Enjoy...
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  • Profile picture of the author humbledmarket
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    This is very interesting. I'll definitely want to see the results and how much work it actually takes to get those up. I've wondered this myself and I'm also very intrigued in your course. As for your wordpress theme you give on your course is it tested and proven?

    Sorry I feel as if I should give you some fair friendly warning to your benefit:
    1) The domain: macbookproreview.org
    Might come under some legal issues for copy right domains
    2) You might want to take of the fact that you purchase high PR links from related websites or the links itself because if a google rep crosses this you can get some issues with the google slap. It's againsts TOS to buy links I think. Directory submissions and social bookmarks and forum commenting should be ok.

    Just thought you might value my opinion. Don't mean in anyway to bash your threads.
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  • Profile picture of the author daver99
    Great experiment, I am curious how well the aged non EMD's will rank. Where do you do your directory submissions ? Do you have a good service, use software, or by other means?
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    • Profile picture of the author Dan B Rusu
      Originally Posted by humbledmarket View Post

      This is very interesting. I'll definitely want to see the results and how much work it actually takes to get those up. I've wondered this myself and I'm also very intrigued in your course. As for your wordpress theme you give on your course is it tested and proven?

      Sorry I feel as if I should give you some fair friendly warning to your benefit:
      1) The domain: macbookproreview.org
      Might come under some legal issues for copy right domains
      2) You might want to take of the fact that you purchase high PR links from related websites or the links itself because if a google rep crosses this you can get some issues with the google slap. It's againsts TOS to buy links I think. Directory submissions and social bookmarks and forum commenting should be ok.

      Just thought you might value my opinion. Don't mean in anyway to bash your threads.
      Hey humbledmarket,

      The wordpress theme is tested, I use it on most of my sites. Here's an image I pulled showing the CTR for some mini-adsense sites I've got:



      Thanks for the warnings,

      1) I'm hoping Apple has bigger fish to fry than to worry about my little site . But you're right, that can be a problem down the road.

      2) Good point. I reworded it to just say that I'll be building high PR links, and I've changed all the urls to "site [.] com".

      Thanks for your feedback, and I'm glad you're following this thread.

      Originally Posted by daver99 View Post

      Great experiment, I am curious how well the aged non EMD's will rank. Where do you do your directory submissions ? Do you have a good service, use software, or by other means?
      I use my own directory submission service. You can see more about it in my signature


      I'll be posting an update alittle later on the status & ranking improvements!
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      • Profile picture of the author daver99
        Regarding the GSA, what kind of stick rate do you usually get with this software. For example 1000 submissions will yield how many links that show up in Yahoo site Explorer?
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      • Originally Posted by Daniel7rusu View Post

        1) I'm hoping Apple has bigger fish to fry than to worry about my little site . But you're right, that can be a problem down the road.
        If you buy "private registration", will Apple be able to track who is the owner? Will the registrar reveal the owner?

        If they successfully reveal your contact information, how much will the owner be sued? $100k, $200k?
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        • Profile picture of the author Dan B Rusu
          Originally Posted by HandsomeMillionaire View Post

          If you buy "private registration", will Apple be able to track who is the owner? Will the registrar reveal the owner?

          If they successfully reveal your contact information, how much will the owner be sued? $100k, $200k?
          I'm not 100% sure so don't quote me on this - but I think apple can get the information from the registrar company if they have a problem with my site.

          The owner won't be sued - they'll just get a cease and desist telling them to take the site down.

          Again, I'm not sure as I've never had any problems with this. Anyone else know?
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  • Profile picture of the author ablife
    Daniel, awesome post, thanks for sharing the information. Just out of interest how many sites do you own? Also I purchased your course the other day the 1 page killer earnings course and although I know most of what was in it, absolutely well worth the money for anyone starting out. Great content, high quality videos and very detailed so well done!
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  • Profile picture of the author Dan B Rusu
    * 12/18 Update (5 days after start of experiment)

    Hey everyone, it's been 5 days into this experiment and I'm happy to report some amazing improvements in ranking already!

    I've switch over to checking ranking positions using the Rank Checker plugin for Firefox because I can check all domains & keywords at once. Here is a screen shot of the report I ran today:

    *Please note: Rank Checker is not always 100% accurate. It will report rankings sometimes off by up to 10 positions. I've checked these in Google, and they seem to be pretty accurate.



    Somethings to point out:

    • Rankings improved in someway for every site across the board! And this was after only 5 days.
    • Blogging to the bank: While the main keyword didn't move up, the site is now ranking for the other 2 targeted keywords
    • Shaving products: This EMD is doing good - moved up to position 31 for it's main keyword
    • * Macbook Pro Review vs Lost Wishes (also about Macbook Pro Review): Notice the difference between these two domains. Even though lostwishes (matured) has no keywords in the domain, it so far is blowing macbookproreview [.] org (New) out of the water. It will be interesting to see how they ranking as this experiment goes on..
    • Satellite Direct - not ranking for main, but managed to start ranking for other 2 keywords.
    • Not many backlinks have been picked up - You can check the backlinks for any of these sites by using the Yahoo SE. You'll see so far yahoo has not reported very many backlinks.
    What has been done so far:

    It's incredible that these sites have started moving with such little work. I know the Google Dance will come into effect soon and they'll bounce around losing their current rankings, but this is still encouraging to see.

    So far I've only:

    • Built the sites with 100% unique content
    • Built some directory backlinks

    What's next:
    • This week (2nd week of experiment): Use my profile backlink building team to build 2000 profile backlinks to each site.
    • End of this week, beginning of next: Use my blog commenting team to build 500 blog comments to each site.

    Stay tuned for further updates & please ask any questions you may have! I'll try to answer them all once per day.
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    • Profile picture of the author brchap
      I'm anxious to see if the injection of "2000 profile backlinks" into the mix will land any of these sites in the ole sandbox.

      Historically, I have not had good luck blasting a site with a ton of links, but I'll keep my mind open for the sake of broadening my education here.

      However, I HAVE had very good luck in using some "drip feed" (slow and steady) backlinking over the course of several months. This is, by far, my favorite way to get to the top 3 positions and stay there.

      Good luck.

      I'll be watching.
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  • Profile picture of the author terryd
    Nice work, will also be following this.

    If I could be a CTR like that I'd be a very happy man!!.....custom template is it?

    Cheers!
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    • Profile picture of the author Dan B Rusu
      Originally Posted by brchap View Post

      I'm anxious to see if the injection of "2000 profile backlinks" into the mix will land any of these sites in the ole sandbox.

      Historically, I have not had good luck blasting a site with a ton of links, but I'll keep my mind open for the sake of broadening my education here.

      However, I HAVE had very good luck in using some "drip feed" (slow and steady) backlinking over the course of several months. This is, by far, my favorite way to get to the top 3 positions and stay there.

      Good luck.

      I'll be watching.
      Ya it will be interesting to see how the matured domains do versus the new domains when being hit with many backlinks.

      I'm not too worried about the large number of backlinks. The reasons are because the backlinks will be crawled by search engines over a period of time, sometimes not finding a profile backlink for months. So the search engines wont see 2000 backlinks all at once

      And second, drip feeding works because it's consistent backlink buidling and that's what I'm doing by keeping the number of backlinks built every week fairly consistant - first with directories, then profiles, then blog comments, then high PR links.

      Thanks for the input!


      Originally Posted by terryd View Post

      Nice work, will also be following this.

      If I could be a CTR like that I'd be a very happy man!!.....custom template is it?

      Cheers!
      It's a custom wp theme I made. It's very simple and that's the reason for the high CTR. You can build a similar theme very easily if you have some php experience. Or you can grab mine free in my sig.
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      • Profile picture of the author Neil K
        Originally Posted by Daniel7rusu View Post

        Ya it will be interesting to see how the matured domains do versus the new domains when being hit with many backlinks.

        I'm not too worried about the large number of backlinks. The reasons are because the backlinks will be crawled by search engines over a period of time, sometimes not finding a profile backlink for months. So the search engines wont see 2000 backlinks all at once
        Brilliant! A lot of SEO's blindly believe that this is too good, or this is too bad, but don't analyze the logic behind it. Google cannot be at all places at once, and even on the cache they clearly say: " this is the page as it was when Google last crawled it" as against saying this page and it's contents are displayed exactly as it was when it was last updated.
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  • Profile picture of the author marketwarrior06
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    is it really possible? i am very much inspired. i am going to start my new SEO campaign just like you. pray for me.
    and thanks again.
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    • Profile picture of the author Dan B Rusu
      Originally Posted by marketwarrior06 View Post

      is it really possible? i am very much inspired. i am going to start my new SEO campaign just like you. pray for me.
      and thanks again.
      Ya it's definitely possible. Remember, these campaigns have only been running for 5 days or so now. We'll be seeing even better results as more backlink building is done.

      Good luck with your campaigns!
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  • Profile picture of the author NetWorth
    Great post I'm going to follow it and see how it goes for sure but I do have 1 question.

    My question is what you pay a team for 2000 profile links or 500 blog links.

    Thanks in advance,
    NetWorth
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  • Profile picture of the author stevenukas
    This is amazing thread for noobs to follow. I gained few tips what to try big thanks for sharing this. Thumbs up
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    • Profile picture of the author Dan B Rusu
      Originally Posted by NetWorth View Post

      Great post I'm going to follow it and see how it goes for sure but I do have 1 question.

      My question is what you pay a team for 2000 profile links or 500 blog links.

      Thanks in advance,
      NetWorth
      I build the links inhouse. I think you mean what do I charge for 2000 profile links & 500 blog comments? You can check my signature for this.

      Originally Posted by stevenukas View Post

      This is amazing thread for noobs to follow. I gained few tips what to try big thanks for sharing this. Thumbs up
      Thanks Steven, Good luck
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  • Profile picture of the author Dan B Rusu
    *12/26 Update (6 Days after Start of Experiment)

    I know I posted an update yesterday, but I checked the ranking status of the sites and just had to post an update:



    That's right, 1st Page Ranking for 2 of blogging to the bank's keywords after just 6 days! I manually checked in Google and it's there.

    I dont' expect it to remain on the 1st page for very long, it will probably bounce in the top 30 for the next few days or weeks, but this is exciting to see none-the-less.

    * I will also be changing the keyword "macbook pro review" to "macbook review" for the 2 macbook pro sites as it's got much more search volume and I feel like going for something more competitive.
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  • Profile picture of the author hijule
    very interesting experiment. I am looking forward to reading your final results!
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  • Profile picture of the author Sweely99
    I will be following this thread like a slave.
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  • Profile picture of the author Evanna Zainal
    how do you manage to get a matured domain? is there a place to buy?
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    • Profile picture of the author brchap
      I have thought about using the "click here" anchor text in some of my sites after analyzing some of my competition.

      I am an IT consultant by day, and about a year ago my website was outranked by a brand spanking new website. My website is far older and more established, has better keyword density, more backlinks, higher PR, and linked to by more authoritative websites.

      The only difference I saw was in his backlinks. His backlinks was far more natural-looking. He had the URL as anchor text, and a lot of "click here" anchor text. He also had a number of keyword anchor text links, but not nearly as many as I did. He does not have the keyword in the domain or URL, but neither do I.

      The only thing that I can assume from this is that Google must have a tiny bit of their algorithm that really likes to see a few "natural-looking" links like these.
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      • Profile picture of the author Dan B Rusu
        Originally Posted by Irham Dhani View Post

        how do you manage to get a matured domain? is there a place to buy?
        Theres a number of places - Godaddy auctions, digital point, dnforum, ect. The hard part is knowing what to look for and finding the good ones.

        Originally Posted by brchap View Post

        I have thought about using the "click here" anchor text in some of my sites after analyzing some of my competition.

        I am an IT consultant by day, and about a year ago my website was outranked by a brand spanking new website. My website is far older and more established, has better keyword density, more backlinks, higher PR, and linked to by more authoritative websites.

        The only difference I saw was in his backlinks. His backlinks was far more natural-looking. He had the URL as anchor text, and a lot of "click here" anchor text. He also had a number of keyword anchor text links, but not nearly as many as I did. He does not have the keyword in the domain or URL, but neither do I.

        The only thing that I can assume from this is that Google must have a tiny bit of their algorithm that really likes to see a few "natural-looking" links like these.
        Wow thats crazy. I knew about the importance of looking as natural as can be - but had no idea that using natural anchor texts like "click here" could be that important.

        Well no matter how many people claim to be SEO experts, no one really knows google's algorithm and the little details of it.

        Thanks for sharing, I'll be paying even more attention to this from now on
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  • Profile picture of the author Dan B Rusu
    * 12/31 Update Time!

    Here's the current ranking for the sites:



    Things to point out:
    • The blogging to the bank site is doing the ole Google dance. It jumped from the 1st page to page 11 or so. This is normal with your site gets an influx of backlinks. The important thing right now is to try and get some higher authority backlinks for the site to stable it a bit. Surprisingly the site has been picked up by yahoo or bing yet..
    • All the other rankings have remained about the same.
    What's next

    - Ok at this point all the profile backlinks have been made. Here's a sample:

    http://slicklaptops [.] com/community/profile.php?id=74809

    Although I built ~2500 for each site, I'm not too worried about the high number of them. Some of these will get deleted, some of them will no uncrawled, and of the ones that remain, they'll get picked up by search engines slowly over the next few months. But who knows, we'll have to wait and see how the sites react to the links

    - High Authority Links

    I want to try and get some higher authority backlinks to these sites - especially blogging to the bank to stable it out. I'm gonna manually do some blog commenting on high PR posts, and possibly get a few homepage backlinks going to the sites.

    - Low PR blog commenting

    Debating about this one. I'm gonna wait a few weeks and leave this for the end to see if it's required.



    Well that's about all! Keep watching to see where this all goes!
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  • Profile picture of the author Jake Gray
    I looked in your signature, could not find the wordpress theme. It said it's included in your WSO.
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    • Profile picture of the author Dan B Rusu
      Originally Posted by Scientific View Post

      I looked in your signature, could not find the wordpress theme. It said it's included in your WSO.
      After you buy the wso or sign up for the free access account, click on "additional resources" and you'll find the theme for free under there.
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  • Profile picture of the author webguru3287
    Interesting experiment
    i) When you compare EMD vs non-EMD, are both keywords equally competitive ? In the above case bloggingtothebank and lostwishes .. Are they equally competitive? They fall into different categories and are they not going to differ interms of keyword difficulty? Are you building the backlinks in the same fashion for both the sites?

    ii)Why havent you tried 1)article marketing or .edu/.gov links .. Is there a specific reason?
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  • Profile picture of the author Rough Outline
    I'll tell you now, exact match domains are the way to go for ranking highly with minimum SEO.

    I've accumulated 10 EMDs which I'm focusing my full attention on until I start profiting from them, without telling the keywords so far, here is my progress with my most successful domain.

    6,600 Exact Monthly Searches in Google alone

    Google Rank: 4
    Yahoo Rank: 5
    Bing Rank: 5

    Backlinks: 37

    Got onto the first page of Google within literally 2 or 3 days, as more backlinks have been indexed and as a few weeks have past, I've gradually moved up in the rankings.
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    • Profile picture of the author Dan B Rusu
      Originally Posted by webguru3287 View Post

      Interesting experiment
      i) When you compare EMD vs non-EMD, are both keywords equally competitive ? In the above case bloggingtothebank and lostwishes .. Are they equally competitive? They fall into different categories and are they not going to differ interms of keyword difficulty? Are you building the backlinks in the same fashion for both the sites?

      ii)Why havent you tried 1)article marketing or .edu/.gov links .. Is there a specific reason?
      i) The direct comparison comes between macbookproreview & lostwishes. They are both targeting the same 3 keywords - all three to do with macbook pro review.

      Bloggingtothebank is a unique example as it's both matured & an EMD.

      ii) I dont find article marketing for backlinks worth the time required. Some do, but I dont.

      edu & gov backlinks are good high authority links, they just hadnt crossed my mind with I wrote the OP. I've been considering adding them in the next couple weeks. Thanks for bringing this up.

      Originally Posted by Rough Outline View Post

      I'll tell you now, exact match domains are the way to go for ranking highly with minimum SEO.

      I've accumulated 10 EMDs which I'm focusing my full attention on until I start profiting from them, without telling the keywords so far, here is my progress with my most successful domain.

      6,600 Exact Monthly Searches in Google alone

      Google Rank: 4
      Yahoo Rank: 5
      Bing Rank: 5

      Backlinks: 37

      Got onto the first page of Google within literally 2 or 3 days, as more backlinks have been indexed and as a few weeks have past, I've gradually moved up in the rankings.
      I couldn't agree more. These days I rarely try to rank new domains. Matured domains just require so much less time and work.

      Thats some amazing results you got. A couple days to the 1st page is the same thing I saw with the bloggingtothebank site, but it's now dancing around. Some domains will dance a while, some won't.

      What kind of backlinks did you build - and how many did you build of each?

      Good luck with your other 10 emds!
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  • Profile picture of the author Rough Outline
    The backlinking I've done has been dead simple, I bought 100 social bookmarks for 5 sites and saw great results. Ranking from nowhere to 1-3 pages on Google instantly.

    My main stumbling block has been the index rate, it's been around 5% to 10% of natural indexing by Google.

    I bought 250 profile backlinks to 7 sites though and I hired someone to index the links, they have testimonials where the index rate has varied from 40% to 60% which I'd be more than happy with. The site is called #1 Bulk Backlinks Indexing Service | Index Backlinks | Index Bear and hopefully it will work well.

    The price of SEO for the sites has been tiny, $10 for 100 social bookmarks and $15 for all the profile backlinks but I don't know how effective they'll be.
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  • Profile picture of the author Dan B Rusu
    * 1/1 Day 10. 1st Update of the New Year!


    Here's the current rankings:



    Not much difference today then when I posted the other day, but the Satellite Direct site has had some good movement so I wanted to post an update.
    • Satellite Direct is now on the 2nd and 3rd page for it's secondary keywords. Nothing yet for it's main keyword.
    • Blogging to the bank is moving around again. This is a good sign. Hoping it gets back up in the SERPs soon.
    • Macbook pro review on lostwishes has mad some small improvements, while the new EMD has moved at all.

    Backlink building status:


    I've made some small changes to the backlink building plan. Added things I felt would help the sites rank faster, and removed some things. This just shows you that you have many "tools" available when backlink building, and the nice thing is you can pick and choose what you want to do.

    What's been Done...

    - Directory submission of each site to ~2500 directories. Done 12/25 - Yahoo SE has started reporting some of these backlinks.

    - Forum Profile backlinks (2500 profiles). Done 12/31 - Yahoo SE is not reporting any of these yet.

    This week (Week 2)...- Social Bookmarking. I'm adding getting ~100 social bookmarks to each site. This will help show search engines my site is increasing in popularity.

    -
    Blog comments from related sites ranking for my keywords - I will try and get backlinks from blogs on my topic.

    - EDU backlinks. Decided to add the building of ~60 edu backlinks to each site.
    - Get some high PR backlinks (~4). I'm going to start off with 4 for each site, then later in the month add more.

    Week 3

    - Blog commenting - 500 Blog comments from non-revelant PR 0-5 pages.

    - Get some more high PR backlinks (~4). I'm going to start off with 4 for each site, then later in the month add more.

    - Paid Short Blog Posts - I am probably not going to do this after all. Not sure yet, I'll see as the experiment progresses.



    Well that's about all, I'm looking forward to seeing what kind of rankings I get this week!
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  • Profile picture of the author brchap
    Any movement to speak of, Dan?
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    I'm currently taking MASSIVE action...

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  • Profile picture of the author amo992
    what tools are you using for backlink creation?
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    • Profile picture of the author Dan B Rusu
      Originally Posted by brchap View Post

      Any movement to speak of, Dan?
      Theres been alittle bit with the satellite direct site. I'm gonna wait til theres been bigger movement to post an update.

      Originally Posted by amo992 View Post

      what tools are you using for backlink creation?
      I do the higher authority backlink building manually - this is the blog comments from related sites, edu backlinks, high pr homepage backlinks.

      Then I use custom software and a team for the low authority backlinks - forum profiles, social bookmarking, low authority blog comments
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    • Profile picture of the author ed22
      Hi Daniel

      Interesting post.

      One of the aspects that caught my eye but hasn't yet been commented on was your conversion rate estimations, which ranged from 0.1% to 20%

      Did you base this off experience and the type of monetisation you were offering, or do you have a useful tool that assists here so to speak

      Thanks
      Ed
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      “If you don’t know what port you are sailing to, no wind is favourable” Seneca 4BC-AD65, Roman philosopher and poet
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    • Profile picture of the author citiusonline.com
      Thanks for sharing the great information. This would be great source for SEO newbies.
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    • Profile picture of the author abhibh
      I am new here and i just read your thread. I must say very inspiring. Looks like you are using Market Samurai.

      BTW where can i get the same theme you are using ?
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    • Profile picture of the author paulhamak
      Am following you. Its quite a hardwork doing this experiment - i think its worth the while anyhow
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  • Profile picture of the author Dan B Rusu
    * 1/4 Update

    Here are the current rankings:



    Things to point out:
    • Blogging to the bank is still bouncing around, I think once the search engines pick up some of it's high authority backlinks I've built it will start heading to the top
    • Lostwishes (macbook pro review site) is still doing better than the new emd, but no movement from either one of them
    • Satellite direct is ranking very well for it's secondary keywords, but surprisingly, very low for the main keyword.
    What I'm working on now:
    • I finished building links from 4 of my own PR4 sites - links placed in the body on the hompage of the sites
    • I will be working on the edu backlinks today, and will have social bookmarking done in the next couple of days.
    I Expect to see some changes in ranking by the end of this week!
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  • Profile picture of the author Dan B Rusu
    *1/4 2nd update:

    I know i posted an update earlier today, but I opened rankchecker to check the rankings before going to bed and I was pleasantly surprised to find:



    Looks like blogging to the bank is dancing in the right direction...
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  • Profile picture of the author Dan B Rusu
    1/6 Update

    Newest Rankings:



    Things to point out:

    • The EMD macbookproreview is picking up and starting to rank very well. It's currently in 18 for the main keyword.
    • Not much change with the other domains
    Status Update:
    • I've built 70 edu backlinks to each of the sites using my EDU backlink packet. Combined all the profiles into one RSS and pinged it.
    • Social bookmarking will be completed in the next couple days.
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    • Profile picture of the author NetWorth
      Thanks for the update. Appreciate it.
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  • Profile picture of the author ckweb
    This is pretty cool. Gives me some good ideas and motivation to try some new things out.
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    • Profile picture of the author Dan B Rusu
      Originally Posted by NetWorth View Post

      Thanks for the update. Appreciate it.
      Yup, new update coming soon this week.

      Originally Posted by ckweb View Post

      This is pretty cool. Gives me some good ideas and motivation to try some new things out.
      Glad to hear it. Keep watch for more updates.
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  • Profile picture of the author Dan B Rusu
    * 1/10 Update: Got High 1st page rankings with 2 sites

    Wanted to post a quick update for now. Later I'll post a more detailed update of where I'm at with the experiment and whats next.





    and..




    Don't expect the sites to google dance any longer as they've had these rankings for a few days now.

    While I havent seen any revenue yet, I have had about 20 clicks from the macbook pro review site to amazon. And expect much more with this high rankings now.

    I also need to adjust the shaving products site as it's not showing any adsense banners.


    Not too bad for only about 15 days. 15 days left.


    Ask any questions you have!!
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    • Profile picture of the author momo3
      Hey.

      I like what you are doing.

      I've done similar things with Market Samurai where I estimate my traffic and conversion rates and the overall cash I will make. Really gets the greed glands going.

      But how are you estimating your traffic?

      I usually take my phrase or exact match search, and then multiply it by .40 for a #1 ranking.

      But I guess SEOT is that same number.. (right?)

      But how are you doing it?

      Also, what is FEMO?
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      • Profile picture of the author Dan B Rusu
        Originally Posted by momo3 View Post

        Hey.

        I like what you are doing.

        I've done similar things with Market Samurai where I estimate my traffic and conversion rates and the overall cash I will make. Really gets the greed glands going.

        But how are you estimating your traffic?

        I usually take my phrase or exact match search, and then multiply it by .40 for a #1 ranking.

        But I guess SEOT is that same number.. (right?)

        But how are you doing it?

        Also, what is FEMO?

        FEMO stands for formula for earning money online. It's just a shortcut name I gave it.

        Ya it's fun to estimate how much you think you'll earn, gets you a little more pumped up to get ranking.

        I estimate my traffic a little more conservatively. I do about 25-30% of the search volume for the main keyword. I'd rather have conservative numbers than exaggerated numbers.

        Good luck with what you're doing.
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  • Profile picture of the author momo3
    So 20-30% of the total number of broad searches?
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  • Profile picture of the author ckweb
    Also, what has been completed so far? I know you had:

    Directory Submissions (~2500)
    Forum Profiles (~2500)
    70 EDU Backlinks
    4x Pr4 home page links.

    Anything else? Did you complete the bookmarking?

    One thing to note; it would have been nice if you had left out the home page links. That seems to be the one thing that ALL of us can't do as the other methods anyone can do (with the right resources of course).

    Also, how many forum profile links ended up getting indexed or at least stayed active?

    Thanks.
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  • Profile picture of the author ckweb
    Another question:

    The forum profile links and blog comments - are they on relevant niche sites (like for your macbook site, did you only do profiles on computer forums, etc) or are they on random sites that aren't related to the niche in any way?

    Also, were these ~2500 unique sites, or were there doubles, etc. Since you are targeting more than one keyword, did you possibly put more than one comment/profile on each blog/forum?

    Thanks.
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    • Profile picture of the author Dan B Rusu
      Originally Posted by momo3 View Post

      So 20-30% of the total number of broad searches?
      No of the exact searches. I've found exact to be a better estimator of traffic you might get, and 20-30% is a nice conservative number.

      I also try to estimate what position I think I'll get to, and based on that I'll use a different percentage.

      Originally Posted by ckweb View Post

      Also, what has been completed so far? I know you had:

      Directory Submissions (~2500)
      Forum Profiles (~2500)
      70 EDU Backlinks
      4x Pr4 home page links.

      Anything else? Did you complete the bookmarking?

      One thing to note; it would have been nice if you had left out the home page links. That seems to be the one thing that ALL of us can't do as the other methods anyone can do (with the right resources of course).

      Also, how many forum profile links ended up getting indexed or at least stayed active?

      Thanks.
      Great questions

      So far profiles, directory submission, edu backlinks, blog commenting on related sites, and 4 homepage backlinks have been done. Social bookmarking was completed just the other day.

      I didn't know homepage backlinks was a big thing that alot of people can't do right now. I've got a nice system down for this, would a guide on how to do this be helpful?

      Not sure how many are active, I'll have to run scrapebox later to check this, but only a handful so far have been pickedup by yahoo. I've created an rss of all the links and submitted them to rss syndicators. That should help get them crawled.

      I'll be posting a big update in a little bit.

      Originally Posted by citiusonline.com View Post

      Thanks for sharing the great information. This would be great source for SEO newbies.
      Your welcome, enjoy.

      Originally Posted by ckweb View Post

      Another question:

      The forum profile links and blog comments - are they on relevant niche sites (like for your macbook site, did you only do profiles on computer forums, etc) or are they on random sites that aren't related to the niche in any way?

      Also, were these ~2500 unique sites, or were there doubles, etc. Since you are targeting more than one keyword, did you possibly put more than one comment/profile on each blog/forum?

      Thanks.
      Profiles are on random sites, blog comments I manually go for related sites.

      The 500 blog comments I was thinking of doing would have been on non-related, low PR blogs and I've decided against it for this.

      Not sure what you mean by are the 2500 profile sites unique. I put one backlink per profile. Then used the list over again for the other sites.
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      • Profile picture of the author Lothar Evers
        Originally Posted by Daniel7rusu View Post

        I didn't know homepage backlinks was a big thing that alot of people can't do right now. I've got a nice system down for this, would a guide on how to do this be helpful?
        Yes please! Very helpful!
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      • Profile picture of the author inter123
        Does this involve you owning a high PR website or acquring them through relationships with others?

        Originally Posted by Daniel7rusu View Post

        I didn't know homepage backlinks was a big thing that alot of people can't do right now. I've got a nice system down for this, would a guide on how to do this be helpful?
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        • Profile picture of the author ajmon
          Nice one dan , this thread is getting very interesting ,have bookmarked it
          will surely help newbies.
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        • Profile picture of the author ckweb
          Originally Posted by inter123 View Post

          Does this involve you owning a high PR website or acquring them through relationships with others?
          He owns them.
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    • Profile picture of the author Supersizeme
      Hi Daniel7rusu,

      Great informations !

      Could you give informations about your earnings ?

      Thank you
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  • Profile picture of the author articlecash
    Hi,
    I watch your thread from past few days and see improvement in rankings. I think a good improvement is seen after 2-5 days. Keep update the rankings. Have you use any software for bookmarking, directory submission.
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    • Profile picture of the author Dan B Rusu
      Originally Posted by Supersizeme View Post

      Hi Daniel7rusu,

      Great informations !

      Could you give informations about your earnings ?

      Thank you
      Right now there havent been any earnings. A good number of clicks to amazon, but no conversions.

      I'll update with earnings as they come.
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  • Profile picture of the author True Solution
    Very Nice - thank for starting such a great thread, this is very interesting to watch others, I'm sure everybody here may pick up a thing or two.
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  • Profile picture of the author sulmaanaslam
    I've heard people saying that either Directory submission is not benefitial for SEO purpose or it can have a negative effect :S I am confused. Care to explain?
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  • Profile picture of the author bestitrix
    Great Post. I will be following this thread up to the last day.
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    • Profile picture of the author Dan B Rusu
      Originally Posted by True Solution View Post

      Very Nice - thank for starting such a great thread, this is very interesting to watch others, I'm sure everybody here may pick up a thing or two.
      Thanks, glad you like it

      Originally Posted by sulmaanaslam View Post

      I've heard people saying that either Directory submission is not benefitial for SEO purpose or it can have a negative effect :S I am confused. Care to explain?
      It's always worked well for me. It's not as powerful as it used to be - and alot of directories are complete garbage, but you can get a handful of good backlinks from them.

      Originally Posted by Izaya View Post

      Great post Daniel keep this up very interesting to watch the improvements.
      Thanks Izaya

      Originally Posted by Lothar Evers View Post

      Yes please! Very helpful!
      If enough people are interested I'll writeup a guide for doing this.

      Originally Posted by bestitrix View Post

      Great Post. I will be following this thread up to the last day.
      Sweet, welcome aboard
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      • Profile picture of the author ckweb
        Originally Posted by Daniel7rusu View Post

        I didn't know homepage backlinks was a big thing that alot of people can't do right now. I've got a nice system down for this, would a guide on how to do this be helpful?
        I don't think most people have PR4 sites they can put backlinks on is what I was trying to say. I'm sure people have websites that they can put homepage links on, but I'm guessing most of them aren't going to be PR4.

        Also, I just checked your Macbook Pro site. Looks like it moved up another notch. Google is showing your site and a directory as credited backlinks so far while Yahoo still doesn't seem to have indexed any yet.

        Are you using SB for your forum profile links and blog comments? I think I'm going to buy it tonight. I've heard way too many good things about it and I can't let the opp pass me by anymore.
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  • Profile picture of the author dongosho
    Daniel,

    Thanks for the great thread. I'll definately subscribe. If you're willing to share a guide on how to get homepage links it would be really benefical for all of us. I have a few ways of my own that would work well with a little twist but I'm yet to try them.
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  • Profile picture of the author Dan B Rusu
    *1/12 Update

    I'm excited about today's update:









    Update:
    • Blogging to the bank seems to have gone through it's google dance phase and is not settling down. I'm looking forward to moving it up in the serps even higher.
    • Macbook pro review EMD has remained about the same.
    • Lostwishes (promoting macbook pro) has moved up a little for it's keywords

    Backlink building status:


    What's been Done...

    - Directory submission of each site to ~2500 directories. Done 12/25 - Yahoo SE has started reporting some of these backlinks.

    - Forum Profile backlinks (2500 profiles). Done 12/31 - Yahoo SE has started reporting a few of these.

    - Social Bookmarking. (100 bookmarks) Done 1/11

    -
    Blog comments from related sites ranking for my keywords - Done 1/8

    - EDU backlinks. Done 1/6

    - Get some high PR backlinks (~4). Done 1/3

    Up next

    - Web 2.0s - I'm going to create ~10 web 2.0s for each site

    - More high PR backlinks - I'm going to get some more high pr backlinks to the site by doing blog commenting on high pr posts.

    - Use some of other websites to rank - I've got some other sites on different IPs. I'm going to use these to backlink my sites. Most people have a few other sites, and you get get some good link juice by doing this.



    My thoughts right now:

    - Lostwishes (promoting macbook pro) is the surprise in this whole experiment. It's got much better stats than the emd, yet not ranking nearly as well.

    Lesson: Now something I should point out is this is not an exact experiment. There could be backlinks that the EMD got that lostwishes didn't get. I'm curious to see what happens throughout these next couple weeks of the experiment.

    Also, having the keyword in the domain might be more important than I thought. I am thinking of starting another experiment where I test a matured domain with a keyword in it versus an EMD.

    - Satellite Direct - Is pretty disappointing so far. It's doing horrible for the main keyword, but pretty good for the other 2. I checked the site in SEO Spyglass and I see that alot of the anchor text is in fact the main keyword. So this is very surprising. I'm going to try and update the onpage seo to have this keyword in it more.






    That's about it.


    Keep the questions coming!
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    • Profile picture of the author Bingo123
      This is one of the best posts I've seen on this forum. Really useful. Thanks so much!!!
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    • Profile picture of the author Tintin4u
      Originally Posted by Daniel7rusu View Post

      *1/12 Update
      Backlink building status:


      What's been Done...

      - Directory submission of each site to ~2500 directories. Done 12/25 - Yahoo SE has started reporting some of these backlinks.

      - Forum Profile backlinks (2500 profiles). Done 12/31 - Yahoo SE has started reporting a few of these.

      - Social Bookmarking. (100 bookmarks) Done 1/11

      -
      Blog comments from related sites ranking for my keywords - Done 1/8

      - EDU backlinks. Done 1/6

      - Get some high PR backlinks (~4). Done 1/3

      Up next

      - Web 2.0s - I'm going to create ~10 web 2.0s for each site

      - More high PR backlinks - I'm going to get some more high pr backlinks to the site by doing blog commenting on high pr posts.

      - Use some of other websites to rank - I've got some other sites on different IPs. I'm going to use these to backlink my sites. Most people have a few other sites, and you get get some good link juice by doing this.
      In a earlier WSO post by a senior warrior member, Sean Donahoe. He reveals his site www.vidassassin.com ranking very well for the term "video marketing", with very few backlinks and a highly competitive term.When i checked today it was ranking 4 for "video marketing" which has 226,000,000 results. www.vidassassin.com is ranked 4 with around 100 backlinks only.

      On the other hand in your experiment you have been building massive links.

      Both, are 2 different approaches to attain top ranking.Request for your inputs on the same.
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      • Profile picture of the author ckweb
        Originally Posted by Tintin4u View Post

        In a earlier WSO post by a senior warrior member, Sean Donahoe. He reveals his site www.vidassassin.com ranking very well for the term "video marketing", with very few backlinks and a highly competitive term.When i checked today it was ranking 4 for "video marketing" which has 226,000,000 results. www.vidassassin.com is ranked 4 with around 100 backlinks only.

        On the other hand in your experiment you have been building massive links.

        Both, are 2 different approaches to attain top ranking.Request for your inputs on the same.
        Wow! It's actually #3 in Google. The sites around his seem to have hundreds of backlinks. Yahoo shows he only had 59, most of those coming from MyBlogLog accounts.

        I'll have to check out that WSO to see what he's doing compared to Dan's methods.
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        • Profile picture of the author Dan B Rusu
          Originally Posted by Bingo123 View Post

          This is one of the best posts I've seen on this forum. Really useful. Thanks so much!!!
          Thanks glad you like it

          Originally Posted by inter123 View Post

          Does this involve you owning a high PR website or acquring them through relationships with others?
          You can do both, and also buy them. I own a few high pr sites. You can also get backlinks from high pr blog commenting. wont be as powerful, but still good

          Originally Posted by ajmon View Post

          Nice one dan , this thread is getting very interesting ,have bookmarked it
          will surely help newbies.
          Glad you like it


          Originally Posted by ckweb View Post

          When I search for blogging to the bank on google, I don't find your site until Page 3 Spot 7 (37). Also, my results are showing you dropped two spots for macbook pro review as well. I'm hoping this is just the Google Dance still finishing up it's set.

          The Social bookmarks you did were just to your homepage or did you bookmark each and every page of your site?
          I'm #5 for blogging to the bank when I search in google from where I'm at. I noticed different geo locations show different results.

          the macbook site did drop, It'll go back up as time progresses.

          Just the homepage

          Originally Posted by Tintin4u View Post

          In a earlier WSO post by a senior warrior member, Sean Donahoe. He reveals his site www.vidassassin.com ranking very well for the term "video marketing", with very few backlinks and a highly competitive term.When i checked today it was ranking 4 for "video marketing" which has 226,000,000 results. www.vidassassin.com is ranked 4 with around 100 backlinks only.

          On the other hand in your experiment you have been building massive links.

          Both, are 2 different approaches to attain top ranking.Request for your inputs on the same.
          Ok great, thanks for posting this.

          There are alot of things to talk about in this:

          Competition level

          It's important to do research and not just make assumptions.



          I'd put this at a competition level of 3 or 4 out of 10. Low DA for the most part, and most have low blp.

          I'm not in anyway trying to discredit Sean's results. But I want to point out that he's not ranking for extremely competitive like "affiliate marketing." So having just a handful of backlinks can be done for this keyword

          Backlinks

          While I've been busy building many backlinks to the sites, only a fraction of them have been picked up by the search engines, and only a fraction more will be in the future. So I've built so many to be crawled over time, and over time help the rankings improve even more.

          And the other thing to talk about is quality versus quantity. 1 quality, high authority backlink can be worth 100s of low authority backlinks (forum profiles, social bookmarks, ect). While you should build these low ones to get a good foundation for your seo, as I've done in this experiment, you need the high quality links.

          Let's look at Sean's links:

          Seo spyglass gives me a total of 107 backlinks to his site.



          These are just some of them. I underlined the high authority ones in red, the low in green.

          You can see he's got a good number of high authority backlinks. On top of that, they're related to the topic of his site, even better.



          Now lets compare with my macbook pro review EMD:

          seo spyglass shows 200. Pretty close to sean's site.




          For my site, I've got a good mix of high and low authority sites.



          So my thoughts are this:

          - While I've been building alot of links, only a small number have been picked up so far, so up to this point, i'm almost even to sean's site
          - High authority backlinks are important. Especially if they're related.



          Maybe I just blabbed on about this and didn't really help anyone. But I'm hoping it helps explain somethings.
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    • Profile picture of the author Tintin4u
      Originally Posted by Daniel7rusu View Post

      *
      Also, having the keyword in the domain might be more important than I thought. I am thinking of starting another experiment where I test a matured domain with a keyword in it versus an EMD.
      It would be nice if u can include this in the experiment as well.
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  • Profile picture of the author ckweb
    When I search for blogging to the bank on google, I don't find your site until Page 3 Spot 7 (37). Also, my results are showing you dropped two spots for macbook pro review as well. I'm hoping this is just the Google Dance still finishing up it's set.

    The Social bookmarks you did were just to your homepage or did you bookmark each and every page of your site?
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  • Profile picture of the author ckweb
    I actually thought it was exremely helpful.

    Your implying that Sean's site might have ranked well because the competition wasn't crazy competitive to begin with, but also because even though he didn't build many backlinks, the ones he did use were high quality.

    On the other hand, while it looks like yout working 20x harder to achieve the same result, you building a foundation of increasing backlinks which will only make your site stronger in time and harder to knock out of whatever position it ends up holding when the smoke clears.

    I think it made perfect sense and also gave me some insight as to why we should build low quality backlinks, even if we don't see the benefit of them right from the beginning.
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    • Profile picture of the author Tintin4u
      Dan,

      You build links, SE wud index some.......... Will this process continue forever?

      Else, you'll stop building back-links, when your targets are achieved in terms of ranking and revenue.

      Thanks,
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    Lovin the experiment Daniel. I'll keep following it. What's super cool is the rank tracker tool. I didn't know you could get that for Firefox. Just downloaded it. One more reason why Firefox rocks!!

    Joel
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  • Profile picture of the author Jonas Juul
    This is a really great experiment to follow from sideline. All your techniques that you use are they from a WSO or something? Im new in the seo business

    EDIT: The meaning of this experiment is simply to build up these niche blogs and get them ranked good in google then you flip them over at flippa.com for a good profit? Right?
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    • Profile picture of the author Dan B Rusu
      Originally Posted by ckweb View Post

      I actually thought it was exremely helpful.

      Your implying that Sean's site might have ranked well because the competition wasn't crazy competitive to begin with, but also because even though he didn't build many backlinks, the ones he did use were high quality.

      On the other hand, while it looks like yout working 20x harder to achieve the same result, you building a foundation of increasing backlinks which will only make your site stronger in time and harder to knock out of whatever position it ends up holding when the smoke clears.

      I think it made perfect sense and also gave me some insight as to why we should build low quality backlinks, even if we don't see the benefit of them right from the beginning.
      Thanks ck. I basically just typed everything that ran through my head last night. So I'm glad it makes sense and is helpful

      Originally Posted by Tintin4u View Post

      Dan,

      You build links, SE wud index some.......... Will this process continue forever?

      Else, you'll stop building back-links, when your targets are achieved in terms of ranking and revenue.

      Thanks,
      No I stop once the site has got the rankings I want

      Originally Posted by joelwalters View Post

      Lovin the experiment Daniel. I'll keep following it. What's super cool is the rank tracker tool. I didn't know you could get that for Firefox. Just downloaded it. One more reason why Firefox rocks!!

      Joel
      Thanks joel. Yup, Firefox is the ultimate browser right now

      Originally Posted by Fishstick View Post

      This is a really great experiment to follow from sideline. All your techniques that you use are they from a WSO or something? Im new in the seo business

      EDIT: The meaning of this experiment is simply to build up these niche blogs and get them ranked good in google then you flip them over at flippa.com for a good profit? Right?
      You can check out my sig below for a wso where I go from step a to z of creating a site and ranking it.

      If it's just seo knowledge you're looking for, you'll find alot of good stuff in the wso.

      Ya, flip them or keep them for automated income.
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      • Profile picture of the author Jonas Juul
        Originally Posted by Daniel7rusu View Post

        You can check out my sig below for a wso where I go from step a to z of creating a site and ranking it.

        If it's just seo knowledge you're looking for, you'll find alot of good stuff in the wso.

        Ya, flip them or keep them for automated income.
        I might check it out for sure.

        Bud,

        do you have Skype or sumthing? if so, can u hook me up? I need to expand my network with people who have good knowledge in seo. And i cant pm you because of my silly post count.
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  • Profile picture of the author majkazuki
    Great stuff so far, Daniel.

    Are any of the sites making money?
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    • Profile picture of the author Tintin4u
      Dan,

      What's your take on Article Syndication services like UAW,SEO Linkvine etc.?

      Would you be using them on any of these sites?

      Thanks,
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      • Profile picture of the author ckweb
        Originally Posted by Tintin4u View Post

        Dan,

        What's your take on Article Syndication services like UAW,SEO Linkvine etc.?

        Would you be using them on any of these sites?

        Thanks,
        I'll actually jump in and say I know some people that swear by article marketing, and other people that don't use it. They both have good results.

        I've been directed to this guy's posts more than a few times so figured I'd share them here:

        Effective Link Building Services
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        Hope this helps.
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  • Profile picture of the author jacked
    Been following along, great thread and idea. Started my own little experiment but with just brand new EMDs.
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    • Profile picture of the author Dan B Rusu
      Originally Posted by majkazuki View Post

      Great stuff so far, Daniel.

      Are any of the sites making money?
      Yup, look above

      Originally Posted by Tintin4u View Post

      Dan,

      What's your take on Article Syndication services like UAW,SEO Linkvine etc.?

      Would you be using them on any of these sites?

      Thanks,
      I've used UAW. I think it's a good way to get a good number of backlinks, but don't expect it to perform miracles. It's one tool of many that can help.

      Originally Posted by abhibh View Post

      I am new here and i just read your thread. I must say very inspiring. Looks like you are using Market Samurai.

      BTW where can i get the same theme you are using ?
      I custom designed the theme I'm using. You get it free if you buy my Wso. It's not being sold anywhere.

      Thanks!

      Originally Posted by jacked View Post

      Been following along, great thread and idea. Started my own little experiment but with just brand new EMDs.
      Nice, glad to hear it. Send me the url to the thread so I can check it out and follow along with what you're doing.
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  • Profile picture of the author Dan B Rusu
    1/14 Update - 1st Sell Made!

    Well I logged in to clickbank today to discover a nice surprise:



    If you search BTTB1 - you'll find it's for blogging to the bank.

    Nothing yet for the other sites - but I'm confidant I'll be seeing earnings soon enough.

    Morale of the story: dont let anyone tell you it takes months to get an affiliate income coming in with seo!
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    • Profile picture of the author ckweb
      Originally Posted by Daniel7rusu View Post

      1/14 Update - 1st Sell Made!

      Well I logged in to clickbank today to discover a nice surprise:



      If you search BTTB1 - you'll find it's for blogging to the bank.

      Nothing yet for the other sites - but I'm confidant I'll be seeing earnings soon enough.

      Morale of the story: dont let anyone tell you it takes months to get an affiliate income coming in with seo!
      Hey Dan,

      I noticed your MacBook site has an adsense bar on the top replicating the nav bar. There hasn't been any clicks there yet?

      Also, thought I'd point out BTTB 2011 is launching 01/24 so it looks like your in a good position and have lucky timing to really bank with that site!
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    Thanks for such a great inspiration! Will keep following!!!
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    • Profile picture of the author inter123
      Hey Dan.

      If you have access to a few of high PR domains, would it not be better just to get a number of homepage backlinks from these sites rather then bother with anything else. I am sure they on their own would do the biz rather then mess around with directory submissions, blog commenting, forum profiles, etc.

      Jim.
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      • Profile picture of the author ckweb
        Originally Posted by inter123 View Post

        Hey Dan.

        If you have access to a few of high PR domains, would it not be better just to get a number of homepage backlinks from these sites rather then bother with anything else. I am sure they on their own would do the biz rather then mess around with directory submissions, blog commenting, forum profiles, etc.

        Jim.
        A backlink is a backlink. You don't want just 3 links to your site. If you want to hold your ranking, you need to build more links to make it harder for someone else to come take your spot.

        Also, doing bulk backlinks - and not bookmarking them - will make Google find them over time, aka adding a drip effect to your linking, making it look like your site is getting naturally linked by other people which will give you more Authority with Google.

        So no, it won't be better... especially in the long run.
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        • Profile picture of the author inter123
          Sure I can see the point of getting many backlinks as possible. If it was me, I would use the high PR backlinks first. The site gets to the first page without much fuss and starts making money. The high PR sites are 'exclusive' so it is not like competitors can come along and get a link, there is no need to hide them or anything.

          As for looking natural by not getting the high PR backlinks straight away followed by all low PR links, if you ask me Google has not a clue. There billions of webpages out, Google cannot find itself in a position of total control.

          And for the 'drip feed' effect, there are backlinks that simply will not get indexed no matter how long one waits.

          Originally Posted by ckweb View Post

          A backlink is a backlink. You don't want just 3 links to your site. If you want to hold your ranking, you need to build more links to make it harder for someone else to come take your spot.

          Also, doing bulk backlinks - and not bookmarking them - will make Google find them over time, aka adding a drip effect to your linking, making it look like your site is getting naturally linked by other people which will give you more Authority with Google.

          So no, it won't be better... especially in the long run.
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          • Profile picture of the author ckweb
            Originally Posted by inter123 View Post

            Sure I can see the point of getting many backlinks as possible. If it was me, I would use the high PR backlinks first. The site gets to the first page without much fuss and starts making money. The high PR sites are 'exclusive' so it is not like competitors can come along and get a link, there is no need to hide them or anything.

            As for looking natural by not getting the high PR backlinks straight away followed by all low PR links, if you ask me Google has not a clue. There billions of webpages out, Google cannot find itself in a position of total control.

            And for the 'drip feed' effect, there are backlinks that simply will not get indexed no matter how long one waits.
            I have to disagree. I think using the high PR backlinks first will look totally obvious to Google that you either own the other sites, or bought the links (which Google doesn't condone). Their algorithm is very sophisticated and I'm 99.99% sure they can easily come to that conclusion. I'm surprised you think they can't. They definitely have world-class, state-of-the-art tracking systems, and seeing a new site start with high PR rankings probably raises a HUGE red flag!

            On the other hand, when you build low authority links and then add some authority links into the mix, it looks natural like your site is picking up fanfare and you finally happened to get a decent link...
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            • Profile picture of the author inter123
              I totally agree but I wonder if it really is worth trying to be evasive? Their tracking systems are world class and everything else but how many sites are ranked purely on merit? That is, backlinks that have come about as a result of people genuinely and naturally linking. Most sites have goto the first page because of SEO efforts and are manipulated. Many of the big companies are culprits of this in a big way. Just by looking at the backlinks it is easy to tell what sites have done. Google knows all this so I wonder if it really is worth spending time hiding tracks?

              Originally Posted by ckweb View Post

              I have to disagree. I think using the high PR backlinks first will look totally obvious to Google that you either own the other sites, or bought the links (which Google doesn't condone). Their algorithm is very sophisticated and I'm 99.99% sure they can easily come to that conclusion. I'm surprised you think they can't. They definitely have world-class, state-of-the-art tracking systems, and seeing a new site start with high PR rankings probably raises a HUGE red flag!

              On the other hand, when you build low authority links and then add some authority links into the mix, it looks natural like your site is picking up fanfare and you finally happened to get a decent link...
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              • Profile picture of the author brchap
                I tend to agree that Google knows stuff about your site that YOU don't even know. They hire the more brilliant minds in the planet, and many of them are doing little except finding better and faster ways to thwart spammers.

                Remember, Google's #1 goal isn't to rank the site with the most backlinks. Their #1 goal is to provide the users with the best possible experience. They are working even harder on that now that Bing is nibbling at their market share.

                Like many people here in the forum, I've blasted my sites with thousands of links, smothered them with high PR blog comments, etc... all for the sake of getting my site to Page 1.

                Sometimes it works... sometimes it does not.

                However, my MOST consistent method of getting a site to Page 1 is taking a slow and steady approach. Expect to spend 3 months getting a site to Page 1, and then another 3 to 6 to get it into one of the Top 3 spots.

                Start out by doing some article marketing via one of the article syndication tools, like UAW or SEOLinkVine. Only do that for the first month (but, continue to do this for the entire 6 months).

                After that first month, start adding some high PR blog comments each week. Don't go crazy, though. Just add a couple every day.

                On the third month, you can do more... but, you still don't want to go overboard. Add some EDU and GOV links to the mix.

                If you do profile link building, the best way to do these are with a steady, consistent, long double-pass method. The only problem here is getting Google to index the links, so I tend to outsource this to someone who uses some sort of "link booster" such as RSS feeds and other methods.

                When I use these methods, along with a slower consistency over a longer timeframe, my sites "dance" very little. They simply rise.

                Remember, in Google's eyes, any site less than 1 years is just a baby. Take it slow, and have some patience. Let your site mature slowly and naturally (with your help, of course). Once you get to the top, you will be much more likely to stay there.
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                • Profile picture of the author Dan B Rusu
                  Originally Posted by inter123 View Post

                  Hey Dan.

                  If you have access to a few of high PR domains, would it not be better just to get a number of homepage backlinks from these sites rather then bother with anything else. I am sure they on their own would do the biz rather then mess around with directory submissions, blog commenting, forum profiles, etc.

                  Jim.
                  From my experience, you want a good spread of low and high authority backlinks. The low act as support, like a foundation, for your other backlinks. And you can also get your anchor text exposed more on these low authority sites.

                  I've tried ranking with just homepage backlinks. Didnt get much results to be honest.

                  Originally Posted by ckweb View Post

                  A backlink is a backlink. You don't want just 3 links to your site. If you want to hold your ranking, you need to build more links to make it harder for someone else to come take your spot.

                  Also, doing bulk backlinks - and not bookmarking them - will make Google find them over time, aka adding a drip effect to your linking, making it look like your site is getting naturally linked by other people which will give you more Authority with Google.

                  So no, it won't be better... especially in the long run.
                  True, nicely put. You do want the drip effect to look like you've got continuous backlinks coming in.

                  Originally Posted by sonic74 View Post

                  Hi Daniel,

                  thanks for sharing this experiment.

                  In just 15 days you got the first sale...this is great !

                  About the directory submission I submitted my site to over 250 directories about 10 days ago, and only 6-7 has accepted me so far !

                  The most of the free directories has 3-4 months review time !
                  Ya - thats what sucks about directories. You won't get many acceptances. But the few that you get definitely help.

                  Originally Posted by inter123 View Post

                  Sure I can see the point of getting many backlinks as possible. If it was me, I would use the high PR backlinks first. The site gets to the first page without much fuss and starts making money. The high PR sites are 'exclusive' so it is not like competitors can come along and get a link, there is no need to hide them or anything.

                  As for looking natural by not getting the high PR backlinks straight away followed by all low PR links, if you ask me Google has not a clue. There billions of webpages out, Google cannot find itself in a position of total control.

                  And for the 'drip feed' effect, there are backlinks that simply will not get indexed no matter how long one waits.
                  I've tried doing the high prs 1st. Didn't get nearly as good of results as when I used them once the site was already ranking for it's keyword.

                  Ya true, there are some backlinks that will never get indexed. It's good to mash them into an rss feed and submit to get them indexed. The drip effect occurs as you will get more and more sites indexed as time goes on.

                  IMHO, google does know. They're advanced enough to the point that they have flags that go up when they see something that looks really unnatural. This is just my opinion however.

                  Originally Posted by Tintin4u View Post

                  Dan,

                  Can you please list all back-linking done till date? Will you continue to build links or wait for google to catch up and index links build previously?

                  It would be good if you can continue with this experiment. Let's watch when these sites reach top ranking.

                  Thanks,
                  I will in the final update. you can look through my previous posts to see what I've done.

                  Originally Posted by Saleese Phillips View Post

                  This thread is both inspring, and depressing at the same time, thanks! (for the inspiring part)
                  Thanks!

                  Originally Posted by Tintin4u View Post

                  It would be nice if u can include this in the experiment as well.
                  another experiment, another day... haha

                  Originally Posted by SammyBlackstar View Post

                  Keep this thread going! I've been following it from the start and I will be doing the EXACT same technique and see how it works for my niche site.

                  Hell, you might just have a Technique with your name on it.
                  Alright will do. Ya it's a pretty solid technique.

                  Originally Posted by ckweb View Post

                  I have to disagree. I think using the high PR backlinks first will look totally obvious to Google that you either own the other sites, or bought the links (which Google doesn't condone). Their algorithm is very sophisticated and I'm 99.99% sure they can easily come to that conclusion. I'm surprised you think they can't. They definitely have world-class, state-of-the-art tracking systems, and seeing a new site start with high PR rankings probably raises a HUGE red flag!

                  On the other hand, when you build low authority links and then add some authority links into the mix, it looks natural like your site is picking up fanfare and you finally happened to get a decent link...
                  Nicely said.

                  Originally Posted by ckweb View Post

                  Hey Dan,

                  I've been keeping track of some of your pages as well and for me, Macbookproreviews is still #7 on the 1st page and lostwishes is #20. Blogging to the bank and shavingproducts are both #7 as well for it's main keywords.

                  This is all with broad search using no parentheses.
                  Yup, that's about what I'm getting


                  Originally Posted by brchap View Post

                  I tend to agree that Google knows stuff about your site that YOU don't even know. They hire the more brilliant minds in the planet, and many of them are doing little except finding better and faster ways to thwart spammers.

                  Remember, Google's #1 goal isn't to rank the site with the most backlinks. Their #1 goal is to provide the users with the best possible experience. They are working even harder on that now that Bing is nibbling at their market share.

                  Like many people here in the forum, I've blasted my sites with thousands of links, smothered them with high PR blog comments, etc... all for the sake of getting my site to Page 1.

                  Sometimes it works... sometimes it does not.

                  However, my MOST consistent method of getting a site to Page 1 is taking a slow and steady approach. Expect to spend 3 months getting a site to Page 1, and then another 3 to 6 to get it into one of the Top 3 spots.

                  Start out by doing some article marketing via one of the article syndication tools, like UAW or SEOLinkVine. Only do that for the first month (but, continue to do this for the entire 6 months).

                  After that first month, start adding some high PR blog comments each week. Don't go crazy, though. Just add a couple every day.

                  On the third month, you can do more... but, you still don't want to go overboard. Add some EDU and GOV links to the mix.

                  If you do profile link building, the best way to do these are with a steady, consistent, long double-pass method. The only problem here is getting Google to index the links, so I tend to outsource this to someone who uses some sort of "link booster" such as RSS feeds and other methods.

                  When I use these methods, along with a slower consistency over a longer timeframe, my sites "dance" very little. They simply rise.

                  Remember, in Google's eyes, any site less than 1 years is just a baby. Take it slow, and have some patience. Let your site mature slowly and naturally (with your help, of course). Once you get to the top, you will be much more likely to stay there.
                  Great points. The problem is, if you're like me, you've got 0 ounces of patience in your blood and want rankings fast.

                  Using matured domains, over 1 year old, that are no longer "babies" are great to get rankings faster. EMDs also seem to help very much.

                  I like your system, and if it works for you, keep on with it. It is much too slow for me. I'd triple the speed your doing things. You do it consistantly for a while, you'll get fast high rankings soon.
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                  • Profile picture of the author brchap
                    Originally Posted by Daniel7rusu View Post

                    Great points. The problem is, if you're like me, you've got 0 ounces of patience in your blood and want rankings fast.

                    Using matured domains, over 1 year old, that are no longer "babies" are great to get rankings faster. EMDs also seem to help very much.

                    I like your system, and if it works for you, keep on with it. It is much too slow for me. I'd triple the speed your doing things. You do it consistently for a while, you'll get fast high rankings soon.
                    Yeah, I know. I used to be impatient too, but now I don't worry about it so much. My "slow and steady" blueprint for ranking is one of the most sure-fire methods I have used. I look at it as a long term approach.

                    If you outsource all of this the right way, you can (more or less) just set it and forget it... and then move on to other projects (keyword research, product creation, brainstorming new monetization methods, relationship building, or doing these awesome 30 Day SEO Experiments :p).

                    I really do love this thread. Thanks for doing it.
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              • Profile picture of the author ckweb
                Originally Posted by inter123 View Post

                I totally agree but I wonder if it really is worth trying to be evasive? Their tracking systems are world class and everything else but how many sites are ranked purely on merit? That is, backlinks that have come about as a result of people genuinely and naturally linking. Most sites have goto the first page because of SEO efforts and are manipulated. Many of the big companies are culprits of this in a big way. Just by looking at the backlinks it is easy to tell what sites have done. Google knows all this so I wonder if it really is worth spending time hiding tracks?
                I definitely see your point but thats just how it works right now.

                Will these blasts of links work in 10 years? I'd put my money on 'No'.

                The internet is still very young. If you were around IM just 5-6 years ago, it used to be you could put a crap load of keywords in white text on the background of your pages and shoot up to the top ranking. Google used to discredit SEO as a whole and it was labeled blackhat. SEO to this day is still a form of greyhat. Why? Simply put, you are manipulating the search engines, trying to convince them your site is important.

                Whitehat SEO is essentially following what search engines tell you to do which is create a good user experience with relevant content... and wait. Unfortunately, doing this will result in you waiting a long time to see any kind of income from organic traffic.

                So to answer your question, yes, I definitely think it's worth it. When Google finally gets around to plugging this hole (like when link swapping was THE technique) there will be 100 new ways to manipulate the search engines. You just have to keep going with the flow...
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                • Profile picture of the author ajmon
                  Nice one dan , could u please update ur earnings adense/amazon ,as i can see both ur sites #1 and #3 with google dot com
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                • Profile picture of the author brchap
                  Originally Posted by ckweb View Post

                  I definitely see your point but thats just how it works right now.

                  Will these blasts of links work in 10 years? I'd put my money on 'No'.

                  The internet is still very young. If you were around IM just 5-6 years ago, it used to be you could put a crap load of keywords in white text on the background of your pages and shoot up to the top ranking. Google used to discredit SEO as a whole and it was labeled BlueFart. SEO to this day is still a form of greyhat. Why? Simply put, you are manipulating the search engines, trying to convince them your site is important.

                  Whitehat SEO is essentially following what search engines tell you to do which is create a good user experience with relevant content... and wait. Unfortunately, doing this will result in you waiting a long time to see any kind of income from organic traffic.

                  So to answer your question, yes, I definitely think it's worth it. When Google finally gets around to plugging this hole (like when link swapping was THE technique) there will be 100 new ways to manipulate the search engines. You just have to keep going with the flow...
                  Very valid points... and things that every Internet Marketer looking for a magic SEO bullet needs to remember.

                  When Google's algorithm catches up with these sites, their rankings will surely suffer. Those that rose to the top via profile link blasts will be knocked back.

                  Who will rise to the top to take their places? Only time will tell. But, my money is on those long-established sites with lots of contextual links from sites of similar or related genre.

                  Just my $0.02.
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                  • Profile picture of the author ckweb
                    Originally Posted by brchap View Post

                    Who will rise to the top to take their places? Only time will tell. But, my money is on those long-established sites with lots of contextual links from sites of similar or related genre.
                    I agree to an extent. Like I said, there will always be another 10 methods to rank. So when this methods dies out, I'll use the new 20 methods that have surfaced.

                    Domain age will always play an important factor in the ranking process. So I figure as long as you keep up with the latest trends long enough to age, soon you'll be like those sites that are ranking solely because your domain is 4 years old.

                    Also, your method of SEO heavily depends on your site. These are toss-up sites to make some quick dough and (hopeffuly) sell off. These aren't established eCommerce sites we want to eventually compete with Best Buy and WalMart on.

                    For my long-term sites (ie; expecting them to last more than a few years) I will still use these methods (for immediate ranking), but also use conventional methods that will last through the years. That way, if/when these methods do get de-valued - I will still have plenty of juice ready to take the torch.

                    The thing I liked so much about this thread is it something people seeing no success in IM can do to see (nearly) immediate results. This will give them a major confidence boost and then they will hopefully take charge from there. With their new found confidence, they will buuld more sites, make more money, learn more advanced SEO, and build a long-term sufficient business.
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  • Profile picture of the author drvosjeca
    I must say this is great posting and even better experiment.

    You have motivated me to start experimenting more, i have two new sites just right for this kind of job.

    Good luck
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  • Profile picture of the author drvosjeca
    i agree with ckweb, backlink is a backlink... Beside, what would it be like if al he would be doing is posting backlinks on his high PR sites?
    It is better to build backlinks on other sites and ad his high PR backlinks later in the future
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    • Profile picture of the author sonic74
      Hi Daniel,

      thanks for sharing this experiment.

      In just 15 days you got the first sale...this is great !

      About the directory submission I submitted my site to over 250 directories about 10 days ago, and only 6-7 has accepted me so far !

      The most of the free directories has 3-4 months review time !
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    1/17 Update

    Well Sonic74, since you asked..

    30 days is drawing near - about another week left. I'll do this update, then do one last update when the 30 days is up. I'll probably continue this experiment past 30 days and make more updates if you guys want.

    Ranking update:


    • Macbook pro sites - both these sites are still in the google dance. The matured domain has jumped up to the 2nd page, which I'm happy to see. The emd has dropped to the bottom of the 2nd.
    • All the other sites have improved in ranking across the board. Blogging to the bank is a clear favorite and has gotten great rankings after such a short time for all it's keywords. That shows the power of matured domain mixed with emd



    Traffic update:




    • Traffic has also improved across the board. The macbook pro site is doing really well with about 80 visitors/day now.
    Earnings Update:



    • Macbook pro sites - these sites have been getting a good number of clicks to amazon, but no conversions yet. I can't wait for that day.. (4% of ~$1500 = $75 from one conversion). The emd also also gotten some adsense. It's only got an adsense code in the header - so has a small CTR. But, with getting paid ~$1 per click, adsense is not bad for this site.
    • Satellite direct - this site got it's 1st conversion and its not even ranking very well! Payout of $33 is really nice. Can't wait to see what happens once I get it ranking better
    • Shaving products - adsense ad blocks not displaying. I need to switch this to amazon.
    • Blogging to the bank - no sells since it got one a few days ago.

    Other updates:

    • Drawing near to the end now. My focus now is to try and get these sites ranking even higher in the next few days. I will focus on web 2.0s, article submissions, and others. I'm going to be testing with edu blogs on some other sites. If that works well, I will implement on these sites
    • I'll continue this experiment past 30 days if you guys want. Just let me know.


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    • Profile picture of the author ckweb
      Originally Posted by Daniel7rusu View Post

      1/17 Update
      • Macbook pro sites - both these sites are still in the google dance. The matured domain has jumped up to the 2nd page, which I'm happy to see. The emd has dropped to the bottom of the 2nd.
      • All the other sites have improved in ranking across the board. Blogging to the bank is a clear favorite and has gotten great rankings after such a short time for all it's keywords. That shows the power of matured domain mixed with emd
      Hey Dan,

      I've been keeping track of some of your pages as well and for me, Macbookproreviews is still #7 on the 1st page and lostwishes is #20. Blogging to the bank and shavingproducts are both #7 as well for it's main keywords.

      This is all with broad search using no parentheses.
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      Dan,

      Can you please list all back-linking done till date? Will you continue to build links or wait for google to catch up and index links build previously?

      It would be good if you can continue with this experiment. Let's watch when these sites reach top ranking.

      Thanks,
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    This thread is both inspring, and depressing at the same time, thanks! (for the inspiring part)
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    • Profile picture of the author ExploringInfinity
      Originally Posted by SammyBlackstar View Post

      Keep this thread going! I've been following it from the start and I will be doing the EXACT same technique and see how it works for my niche site.

      Hell, you might just have a Technique with your name on it.
      He does have a technique with his name on it!

      Check out Dan's WSO! It's fantastic!
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      • Profile picture of the author Dan B Rusu
        Originally Posted by brchap View Post

        Yeah, I know. I used to be impatient too, but now I don't worry about it so much. My "slow and steady" blueprint for ranking is one of the most sure-fire methods I have used. I look at it as a long term approach.

        If you outsource all of this the right way, you can (more or less) just set it and forget it... and then move on to other projects (keyword research, product creation, brainstorming new monetization methods, relationship building, or doing these awesome 30 Day SEO Experiments :p).

        I really do love this thread. Thanks for doing it.
        That's true - with outsourcing everything can become automated. Thanks, glad you like it.

        Originally Posted by ckweb View Post

        I definitely see your point but thats just how it works right now.

        Will these blasts of links work in 10 years? I'd put my money on 'No'.

        The internet is still very young. If you were around IM just 5-6 years ago, it used to be you could put a crap load of keywords in white text on the background of your pages and shoot up to the top ranking. Google used to discredit SEO as a whole and it was labeled BlueFart. SEO to this day is still a form of greyhat. Why? Simply put, you are manipulating the search engines, trying to convince them your site is important.

        Whitehat SEO is essentially following what search engines tell you to do which is create a good user experience with relevant content... and wait. Unfortunately, doing this will result in you waiting a long time to see any kind of income from organic traffic.

        So to answer your question, yes, I definitely think it's worth it. When Google finally gets around to plugging this hole (like when link swapping was THE technique) there will be 100 new ways to manipulate the search engines. You just have to keep going with the flow...
        Yup good point. Google's put everyone in a position where unless you're doing "grayhat," you cant get rankings.

        Originally Posted by ajmon View Post

        Nice one dan , could u please update ur earnings adense/amazon ,as i can see both ur sites #1 and #3 with google dot com
        I'll post a final update in a few days.

        Originally Posted by brchap View Post

        Very valid points... and things that every Internet Marketer looking for a magic SEO bullet needs to remember.

        When Google's algorithm catches up with these sites, their rankings will surely suffer. Those that rose to the top via profile link blasts will be knocked back.

        Who will rise to the top to take their places? Only time will tell. But, my money is on those long-established sites with lots of contextual links from sites of similar or related genre.

        Just my $0.02.
        I agree, contextual links from related sites are very important. And as time goes on, the profile backlinks & blog commenting will become even less useful. It's important to stay on top of the newest advancements in backlink building.


        Originally Posted by paulhamak View Post

        Am following you. Its quite a hardwork doing this experiment - i think its worth the while anyhow
        Thanks

        Originally Posted by ExploringInfinity View Post

        He does have a technique with his name on it!

        Check out Dan's WSO! It's fantastic!
        Ha Thanks. Yup you can grab training for this system and do the same thing with the wso found in my signature.
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    Am I missing something, or has the macbookproreview.org dropped out from top 100 in google dot com for keyword "macbook pro reviews" ?
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    • Profile picture of the author ckweb
      Originally Posted by sylarrr View Post

      Am I missing something, or has the macbookproreview.org dropped out from top 100 in google dot com for keyword "macbook pro reviews" ?
      It's actually "Macbook pro review" (no 's'). I did a check and it's ranking in positon 183 now actually.

      Dan, is this the Google dance again or did you get slapped?
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      • Profile picture of the author sylarrr
        Originally Posted by ckweb View Post

        It's actually "Macbook pro review" (no 's'). I did a check and it's ranking in positon 183 now actually.

        Dan, is this the Google dance again or did you get slapped?
        Any comments about that Dan?
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  • Profile picture of the author jwee
    Daniel thanks for this inspiring real-life experiment!

    I have been dabbling with SEO for the past few months and have been swamped and probably lost sight of what I need to do. There are too many confusing information out there on what works and what don't.

    Getting ranked on page 1 seems to take forever and coming from PPC background, it is VERY frustrating, lol! I've gone through every post on this thread and learn a ton. Thank you from the bottom of my heart!
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  • Profile picture of the author Michi Kono
    I also do a lot of SEO for both global and local niches so it's so cool to see how you exactly do from the start to the end. It's a real valuable thread!
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  • Profile picture of the author Danial09
    Daniel's thread make me blur eye reading all the page down. Yah, good experiment.
    I have tried my KW ranking and i see that i do not rank well cuz i am lacking of building backlink. Straight to the point, i am very satify with the thread
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  • Profile picture of the author mozesteven
    Hi Dan,

    I am reading all of your posting here in this topic. I found no outsources resources you have stated, where we can ask people do our jobs.

    Do you completed your jobs by yourself?

    Thank,
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    • Profile picture of the author Dan B Rusu
      Originally Posted by sylarrr View Post

      Am I missing something, or has the macbookproreview.org dropped out from top 100 in google dot com for keyword "macbook pro reviews" ?
      Originally Posted by ckweb View Post

      It's actually "Macbook pro review" (no 's'). I did a check and it's ranking in positon 183 now actually.

      Dan, is this the Google dance again or did you get slapped?
      Ya I just saw a few days ago that the site has dropped. As it's a new domain - the google dance will last longer than it would with a matured domain. I was hoping it would stay on the 1st page, but this has proved too good to be true.

      Another issue is I've been super busy and not spent any more time to build consistant backlinks. I will up my efforts and the site will be back soon.

      Originally Posted by jwee View Post

      Daniel thanks for this inspiring real-life experiment!

      I have been dabbling with SEO for the past few months and have been swamped and probably lost sight of what I need to do. There are too many confusing information out there on what works and what don't.

      Getting ranked on page 1 seems to take forever and coming from PPC background, it is VERY frustrating, lol! I've gone through every post on this thread and learn a ton. Thank you from the bottom of my heart!
      Glad this has helped. SEO can be confusing and take a long time, but you'll never have to pay per click again!

      Originally Posted by Michi Kono View Post

      I also do a lot of SEO for both global and local niches so it's so cool to see how you exactly do from the start to the end. It's a real valuable thread!
      Thanks

      Originally Posted by Danial09 View Post

      Daniel's thread make me blur eye reading all the page down. Yah, good experiment.
      I have tried my KW ranking and i see that i do not rank well cuz i am lacking of building backlink. Straight to the point, i am very satify with the thread
      Sweet thanks

      Originally Posted by mozesteven View Post

      Hi Dan,

      I am reading all of your posting here in this topic. I found no outsources resources you have stated, where we can ask people do our jobs.

      Do you completed your jobs by yourself?

      Thank,
      Mozesteven
      You can use odesk.com or other freelance sources for backlinks - especially the blog backlinks. I did the profile backlinks and others myself mostly. There are many services in the warrior services section that can help you with this.

      Originally Posted by VideoMarketing View Post

      This is very nice strategy for SEO to optimize the sites. Thanks for nice share and information.
      Ya no problem.
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  • Profile picture of the author jwee
    When you build your backlinks, do you send all your traffic to a) your homepage or b) a mixture of homepage & internal pages?

    I'm just wondering if 2500 forum profile backlinks, 100 social bookmarking, 70 edu backlinks etc all pointing to the homepage only might be deemed as unnatural.

    Also, can you share with us the automation tools you've used in this experiment?

    Thanks a lot!
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      Any updates?
      I would really like to know how the things are going.
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  • Profile picture of the author vermadenish
    Hi Daniel............Its amazing....


    Like it.

    I will sure try to use this method..


    thanx
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    kkkk, great thread,very informative, i will make one like this in the future i guess
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  • Profile picture of the author Dan B Rusu
    * 30 Day Update!

    I'm going to go ahead and continue posting weekly updates for these sites for about another month as alot of people are interested and have asked me to extend this experiment. So, this post will be the 30 day update where you can see what would have been the final results if I had stopped this experiment at 30 days haha.

    I'll listed the data by domain. You'll find ranking, traffic, and revenue for this 30 day period.




    Disclaimer:
    • Remember that this was not a perfect, enclosed experiment. While I'll draw some conclusions from this experiment, there were outside factors behind my control - use as time users spent per site, number of pages visited, which of the backlinks I built stuck. So, while it might seem like one site did much worse than another, that could be attributed to things outside my control.

    Revenue:

    • Total Revenue was $51.37. Not too shabby for the 1st month. Revenue came from just 3 of the sites above - the 2 other didn't produce anything.
    • Got a total of 80 clicks to Amazon. The macbook pro is a high ticket item, and proved to be hard to convert. Maybe we'll get a conversion or two as I continue this experiment.


    Conclusion:
    • At the end of 30 days - the matured domains have performed better in the rankings than the new domains.
    • Overall, I am happy with the rankings. Some sites need major improvments, some sites have been total surprises in their lack of rankings for certain keywords, and some sites have done very well. It's been quite a mixture.
    • The matured domains have bounced around in the google dance much less than the new domains have
    • Macbookproreview . org - new, emd - was looking very promising, but is now in Google Hell. It's ranking someone on the 9th or 10th page. The dance continues...
    • Google Dance sucks. Expect your sites to dance around quite a bit when trying to get them ranking.
    • The forum profiles have proven to not get indexed easily. More of an effort is required to get them indexed.
    • Consistency is key! One of the main reasons I believe the emd macbookproreview is suffering is due to my lack of consistency. I became busy and didn't build any backlinks for the past 2 weeks. The matured domains have proven to be able to take lack of consistency much better then the new domains.

    What's next?

    • I'm going to continue this experiment by building more backlinks, trying to revive the emd macbookproreview site, and seeing if I can get these sites to bring in a good revenue.
    • Satellite Direct and Blogging to the bank have already brought in a bit of earnings. It'll be exciting to see how much these sites can bring in.
    • The backlinks focus will be on getting quality backlinks at this point. I will be getting backlinks from high PR blog comments, that aren't spammed to death, and getting contextual backlinks through article submission.


    Well, that's it after 30 days! Stayed tuned to continue seeing more results with these sites.
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  • Profile picture of the author mozesteven
    What's next?

    • I'm going to continue this experiment by building more backlinks, trying to revive the emd macbookproreview site, and seeing if I can get these sites to bring in a good revenue.
    • Satellite Direct and Blogging to the bank have already brought in a bit of earnings. It'll be exciting to see how much these sites can bring in.
    • The backlinks focus will be on getting quality backlinks at this point. I will be getting backlinks from high PR blog comments, that aren't spammed to death, and getting contextual backlinks through article submission.
    Waiting the result after you build quality backlinks (high PR blog comment, contextual backlinks and articles submission). Happy to see the $ credited to your account.

    Regards,
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  • Profile picture of the author zirkamer
    This is a cool thread. Great job. Ill be looking at your WSO.

    I have used these techniques with local search. I just ranked a site on page 2 in Google, position 6 in 1 day. "About 214,000 results". Now back linking to get it on page one. Just make sure that there are actually searches being done for the term.

    Daniel (that's my little bros name) are you not concerned about jeopardizing your Adsense account by showing your domains etc.?

    By the way....I live in Bothell, WA!

    Cheers

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    • Profile picture of the author Dan B Rusu
      Originally Posted by mozesteven View Post

      Waiting the result after you build quality backlinks (high PR blog comment, contextual backlinks and articles submission). Happy to see the $ credited to your account.

      Regards,
      Mozesteven
      Thanks mozesteven,

      Ya im excited to see how the sees do too!

      Originally Posted by zirkamer View Post

      This is a cool thread. Great job. Ill be looking at your WSO.

      I have used these techniques with local search. I just ranked a site on page 2 in Google, position 6 in 1 day. "About 214,000 results". Now back linking to get it on page one. Just make sure that there are actually searches being done for the term.

      Daniel (that's my little bros name) are you not concerned about jeopardizing your Adsense account by showing your domains etc.?

      By the way....I live in Bothell, WA!

      Cheers

      Bryon
      Bryon,

      No way, Bothell's awesome. Nice to find another Washingtonion!

      Great job on the rankings - ya make sure people are searching before you do all the backlinking work!

      I haven't heard anything about not being able to display our adsense domains. I've blurred out the ctr, ect so I hope there are no issues.

      Dont know why Google would care about me revealing 1 of my sites with adsense.

      Dan
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      • Profile picture of the author sylarrr
        I did some research on Blogging to the bank and it seems to be just another scam. Do you find it ethical to be a member/promoter of fraud scheme? What is the return rate of this product?
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          Originally Posted by sylarrr View Post

          I did some research on Blogging to the bank and it seems to be just another scam. Do you find it ethical to be a member/promoter of fraud scheme? What is the return rate of this product?
          keep your bad ju ju out of this sweet a$$ thread.
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            Originally Posted by sylarrr View Post

            I did some research on Blogging to the bank and it seems to be just another scam. Do you find it ethical to be a member/promoter of fraud scheme? What is the return rate of this product?
            Originally Posted by hoot33 View Post

            keep your bad ju ju out of this sweet a$$ thread.

            Keep out of this thread!!?? Why? Are you Allen Says??

            The guy has a valid point.

            I think this whole experiment is great and hats off to the OP for doing it but....

            "Blogging to the Bank" is a terrible product (check the warrior review section and thats just for starters) and the author "Rob Benwell" ..... well lets just say .

            So I have to ask, why take the time to promote and rank for such a bad product which is slated all over the internet? Isn't that counter-productive?
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            • Profile picture of the author Dan B Rusu
              Originally Posted by sylarrr View Post

              I did some research on Blogging to the bank and it seems to be just another scam. Do you find it ethical to be a member/promoter of fraud scheme? What is the return rate of this product?
              Originally Posted by hoot33 View Post

              keep your bad ju ju out of this sweet a$$ thread.
              Thanks for bringing this up. I'm not normally in the IM niche, where I think 99% of products are junk/scams and only take advantage of newbies by not telling them the whole truth and making huge promises. But the blogging to the bank was one that I grabbed out of the auction to test as an exact match, matured domain. It just happened to be for a product that is questionable (i've never actually read it, just rewrote a review).

              So ya to answer your question, I don't like promoting these things and will not do it in the future unless I read the product and like it.



              Originally Posted by OnlineMarketingSys View Post

              Some really good stuff and great transparency here. I just hope for your sake that you did this on a hosting account setup for just this domain and completely separate from your other accts.

              You don't want Google to come around and play wackodomain's because they didn't like or agree with your linking structure.... It happened not to long ago with a pretty big promoter that launched a course and his core business that is affiliate links really took a dive when all 100+ of his sites were severely sand boxed.
              Everything is on a shared hosting account, are you saying google would "sandbox" all the domains on that server, including others? I dont know, i have a hard time with this... What if his competition was building a link structure in the background to sabotage his sites?

              I'd say he was doing something super spammy, blackhat, or scammy.

              Originally Posted by hoot33 View Post

              Any updates today Danny Boy???
              I'll post a big one at the end of this week

              Originally Posted by cybernet View Post

              based on your experiment, on the scale 1 to 10, how do you rate the importance of

              1) EMD in a new domain name


              2) MATURE domain names

              Could you also explain how you define a "mature" domain name?

              For example, would you call the following domain name mature (desirable)?

              keywordblabla.com was used for a site from 1999 to 2006

              In 2006 the site was disabled (hosting account closed)

              The ownership has not changed
              The registrant has not changed


              I'm planning to revive this site - get a new hosting, write a new content on the same old topic.



              thanks
              Well if i had to put it on a scale of 1 to 10, I'd give both emd and mature domains a 10 haha. They're both really important for fast rankings, but like I said before, I'd rather have a relevant matured domain than an emd.

              Matured domain = aged, has previous content, and previous backlinks. Those are the things I look for.


              Originally Posted by Andy Hart View Post

              Keep out of this thread!!?? Why? Are you Allen Says??

              The guy has a valid point.

              I think this whole experiment is great and hats off to the OP for doing it but....

              "Blogging to the Bank" is a terrible product (check the warrior review section and thats just for starters) and the author "Rob Benwell" ..... well lets just say .

              So I have to ask, why take the time to promote and rank for such a bad product which is slated all over the internet? Isn't that counter-productive?
              Ya, like I just wrote earlier, I'm never very into these IM products and so had no idea BTTB is a bad product. I grabbed it cause it was available in the auction as a matured, emd. Maybe I'll grab a copy of BTTB, and if it's really that horrible, shut my site down.





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              • Profile picture of the author RussellMax
                Awesome thread.. Just been really helpful. Thank You!
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            Originally Posted by hoot33 View Post

            keep your bad ju ju out of this sweet a$$ thread.
            :rolleyes:

            This thread is awesome. It's been incredible to read the whole thing and see it play out for real, in real time. What a great thread.

            It's helped me in a ton of ways. I was frightened when my site disappeared from google for 5 days, but it came back with better ranking. As I read this thread, I see that it happens all the time, and it's not anything to worry about.

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    the important thing is whether the rankings stick ove time after you have stopped building links to them aggressively and move on to next projects
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    Very nice method here... I'm new in SEO and this could help me.. Learned few techniques and strategies.
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    Very nice effort here Dan. It just shows what a little time and effort for one site can bring in terms of success. I do not like using labels like passive income in regards to our sites. In the end we are getting paid for our time creating buzz and backlinks. How much we get paid is a clear indicator of our value at the end of the day.
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  • Profile picture of the author elvisduarte
    Dan:

    I noticed the macbook sites are showing no ranking for google as of today.
    What do you attribute that to?
    sorry, I'm a newbie.
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    • Profile picture of the author Dan B Rusu
      Originally Posted by anwar001 View Post

      the important thing is whether the rankings stick ove time after you have stopped building links to them aggressively and move on to next projects
      ya ya that's true. I'll be working on them to build more consistent backlinks and have them ranking again soon.

      Originally Posted by charlesgosu View Post

      Very nice method here... I'm new in SEO and this could help me.. Learned few techniques and strategies.
      Glad you like it.

      Originally Posted by dotcomken View Post

      Very nice effort here Dan. It just shows what a little time and effort for one site can bring in terms of success. I do not like using labels like passive income in regards to our sites. In the end we are getting paid for our time creating buzz and backlinks. How much we get paid is a clear indicator of our value at the end of the day.
      Ya that's a good point - it does require a bit of work in the beginning. But what I mean by passive is that after everything is done and I've got top rankings for a site, I can sit back and never touch it again and have it bring money in.

      Originally Posted by elvisduarte View Post

      Dan:

      I noticed the macbook sites are showing no ranking for google as of today.
      What do you attribute that to?
      sorry, I'm a newbie.
      lostwishes is still on the 2nd page. the emd dropped off the face of the earth. Well I attribute it to the google dance and not building backlinks consistently enough. I need to be focused on building these backlinks more consistently.
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  • Profile picture of the author masterofinternate
    My Goodness!!!
    Your campaigning plan is just Awesome.I'm going to start my own and really inspired by you. Your real life experiment is going to be a great guideline for me.
    Thanks man.
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  • Profile picture of the author Dan B Rusu
    Check this out. I dont expect the site to remain in #1 - it's still bouncing around - but still very cool to see this. Huge jump in traffic also

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  • Profile picture of the author terryd
    I notice you have quite high bounce rates, do you think that this can affect your serps at all or do other sites you own have high bounce rates and yet achieve good serps?
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  • Profile picture of the author Dylan K
    any conversions with the jump in traffic?
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  • Profile picture of the author dagaul101
    Nice experiment, mature domains are excellent if they can be obtained at a reasonable price, as sometimes they do outrank exact match domains even without the keyword in the url
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  • Profile picture of the author elvisduarte
    Awesome experiment!
    I am following it all the time.
    I agree with you on the profiles. I've done it and not even a single one have shown up.
    Same with directory submissions. I rather put a bit of money hiring a High PR backlink service than trying to get 5 backlinks out 2500 submissions in a directory.
    Keep it up dude!
    Very instructional!
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    • Profile picture of the author Dan B Rusu
      Originally Posted by terryd View Post

      I notice you have quite high bounce rates, do you think that this can affect your serps at all or do other sites you own have high bounce rates and yet achieve good serps?
      Most my sites have high bounce rates because if you think about it, these sites arent made for people to come on and browse around. They hit the homepage, follow the affiliate link, or leave, it's that simple.

      Ya i'm sure the bounce rate has hurt my rankings in some way.

      Originally Posted by hoot33 View Post

      any conversions with the jump in traffic?
      Yup, got 3 conversions in the past 3 days, pretty stoked about that. More to come..

      Originally Posted by dagaul101 View Post

      Nice experiment, mature domains are excellent if they can be obtained at a reasonable price, as sometimes they do outrank exact match domains even without the keyword in the url
      yup yup, that true. I usually grab em for under $20

      Originally Posted by elvisduarte View Post

      Awesome experiment!
      I am following it all the time.
      I agree with you on the profiles. I've done it and not even a single one have shown up.
      Same with directory submissions. I rather put a bit of money hiring a High PR backlink service than trying to get 5 backlinks out 2500 submissions in a directory.
      Keep it up dude!
      Very instructional!
      Ya, i like the directory submission still, but definitely do get the most out of either manually building the links or hiring someone.
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  • Profile picture of the author Dan B Rusu
    Logged on this morning and found this nice surprise. The emd is back on the 1st page. I expect it to bounce around a bit more, but also to settle down on the 1st page really soon!

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    • Originally Posted by Daniel7rusu View Post

      Logged on this morning and found this nice surprise. The emd is back on the 1st page. I expect it to bounce around a bit more, but also to settle down on the 1st page really soon!
      Some really good stuff and great transparency here. I just hope for your sake that you did this on a hosting account setup for just this domain and completely separate from your other accts.

      You don't want Google to come around and play wackodomain's because they didn't like or agree with your linking structure.... It happened not to long ago with a pretty big promoter that launched a course and his core business that is affiliate links really took a dive when all 100+ of his sites were severely sand boxed.
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  • Profile picture of the author Dylan K
    Any updates today Danny Boy???
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    • Profile picture of the author cybernet
      based on your experiment, on the scale 1 to 10, how do you rate the importance of

      1) EMD in a new domain name


      2) MATURE domain names

      Could you also explain how you define a "mature" domain name?

      For example, would you call the following domain name mature (desirable)?

      keywordblabla.com was used for a site from 1999 to 2006

      In 2006 the site was disabled (hosting account closed)

      The ownership has not changed
      The registrant has not changed


      I'm planning to revive this site - get a new hosting, write a new content on the same old topic.



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  • Profile picture of the author Andy Hart
    Hey Daniel,

    Thanks for the reply, fair enough as to your reasons why.

    I like the fact you answered professionally, you can usually tell alot about a person about how they respond to certain types of questions.

    I said it once and I'll say it again, really great thread, very detailed and will no doubt help alot of people.

    Thanks
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  • Profile picture of the author BradBergeron
    Any chance you could (or already have?) pointed out where you buy mature domains?

    Also - the profile backlink, directory submission, blog commenting team - how much do you pay for such a "team" or is it outsourced to someone in the services section?

    Thank you! Love this thread!
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    • Profile picture of the author WPMaker
      Originally Posted by BradBergeron View Post

      Any chance you could (or already have?) pointed out where you buy mature domains?

      Also - the profile backlink, directory submission, blog commenting team - how much do you pay for such a "team" or is it outsourced to someone in the services section?

      Thank you! Love this thread!
      I would like to know that too.
      BTW, will you make any updates on how much traffic you got and how much you earned?
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  • Profile picture of the author andydraysen
    this is a great thread guys! i have a question though

    after finding a keyword what should i look for in the competition? my competition ranks 4 to 6 in PR and has about 20k backlinks in yahoo inlink. Is this something i can compete with or is it not worth it?

    i notice that some of the competition in macbook pro review results are very strong and rank very high are backlinks the best way to beat competition?
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    • Profile picture of the author Dan B Rusu
      Originally Posted by BradBergeron View Post

      Any chance you could (or already have?) pointed out where you buy mature domains?

      Also - the profile backlink, directory submission, blog commenting team - how much do you pay for such a "team" or is it outsourced to someone in the services section?

      Thank you! Love this thread!
      I grab most my domains from godaddy auction. I'm developing a good piece of software right now that will help you find quality, matured domains from godaddy and other sources. I'll update you guys when this is ready.

      I outsource mainly to outsourcers on odesk

      Originally Posted by Art_Marks View Post

      I would like to know that too.
      BTW, will you make any updates on how much traffic you got and how much you earned?
      sure, i will below


      Originally Posted by andydraysen View Post

      this is a great thread guys! i have a question though

      after finding a keyword what should i look for in the competition? my competition ranks 4 to 6 in PR and has about 20k backlinks in yahoo inlink. Is this something i can compete with or is it not worth it?

      i notice that some of the competition in macbook pro review results are very strong and rank very high are backlinks the best way to beat competition?
      Dont look so much at PR, as you should look to see if it's inner pages or root domains ranking, the age of the sites, backlinks linking it, and quality of the backlinks. PR helps you quickly gauge competition, but it's not the end all qualifier.
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  • Profile picture of the author Dan B Rusu
    2/7 Update

    I wanted to do a quick earnings update.



    1st Amazon commission! While they didnt buy the $1500 macbook I had hoped, I'm nice to see some earnings coming in and I'm still waiting for the big commission off a macbook pro sale to come in.

    BTTB is doing well, 2 sells in the last month.

    That's about it for now!
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  • Profile picture of the author BradBergeron
    I was told by a friend (I think?) that the GoDaddy auctions age was false b/c they've just always been parked - eg: the amount of domain age weight it holds is as good as a fresh domain but apparently that's not true?
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  • Profile picture of the author yuxx109
    Are you using any other script/technique to help index your backlinks? or just let them be indexed naturally?
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    • Profile picture of the author Dan B Rusu
      Originally Posted by BradBergeron View Post

      I was told by a friend (I think?) that the GoDaddy auctions age was false b/c they've just always been parked - eg: the amount of domain age weight it holds is as good as a fresh domain but apparently that's not true?
      Ya check to make sure they've had content on them previously using archive.org. This way you're not getting a domain that was always just parked.

      Originally Posted by ExploringInfinity View Post

      :rolleyes:

      This thread is awesome. It's been incredible to read the whole thing and see it play out for real, in real time. What a great thread.

      It's helped me in a ton of ways. I was frightened when my site disappeared from google for 5 days, but it came back with better ranking. As I read this thread, I see that it happens all the time, and it's not anything to worry about.

      Awesome!
      Awesome, glad you like it.

      Originally Posted by yuxx109 View Post

      Are you using any other script/technique to help index your backlinks? or just let them be indexed naturally?
      I've just been letting them get picked up naturally. I've started experimenting on my own with ways to get them indexed for better rankings - especially the profile backlinks as those have a hard time getting indexed.
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  • Profile picture of the author ryanjm
    Looks like your EMD got the same Google slap almost every new EMD has gotten lately.
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    • Profile picture of the author sylarrr
      At the moment macbookproreview.org is sitting on 198 for G dot com for keyword: macbook pro review
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      • Profile picture of the author Dan B Rusu
        Originally Posted by ryanjm View Post

        Looks like your EMD got the same Google slap almost every new EMD has gotten lately.
        Originally Posted by sylarrr View Post

        At the moment macbookproreview.org is sitting on 198 for G dot com for keyword: macbook pro review
        Just checked this and I found it on the 1st page, 10th position. It's still bouncing around, especially since I have not been as consistent with the backlinks as I should be. I'll be doing some work on the domains to get them ranking higher in the next couple weeks. Blogging to the bank is still #1, and shaving products is still #3. Not too bad I'd say.
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  • Profile picture of the author BradBergeron
    So Daniel, I found a domain at TDNAM for a mere $10. It has just under 1500 backlinks to the home page and is 14 years old. It's PR is 0 (no submission in DMOZ or Yahoo directories though).

    One thing though, the Wayback Machine only gives archived pages for Dec 1996 to Jul 2004 (NOT 2010/2011).

    Would it be worth it to do a review site for TVs with this domain?
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    • Profile picture of the author Dan B Rusu
      Originally Posted by BradBergeron View Post

      So Daniel, I found a domain at TDNAM for a mere $10. It has just under 1500 backlinks to the home page and is 14 years old. It's PR is 0 (no submission in DMOZ or Yahoo directories though).

      One thing though, the Wayback Machine only gives archived pages for Dec 1996 to Jul 2004 (NOT 2010/2011).

      Would it be worth it to do a review site for TVs with this domain?
      Brad,

      That sounds like a great domain, nice find. Be sure to check it's backlinks on alexa.com to ensure that it's got quality backlinks coming in. The wayback machine won't give you content past 2007/2008, so don't worry too much about that.

      Yup, sounds like it would be worth grabbing.

      Dan
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  • Profile picture of the author BradBergeron
    Apparently only 182 sites linking in (so the sites must have about 9 different pages on average linking to the domain?). Domain Age Check Tool - SEOLogs.com verifies it was bought 15 years ago and Wayback Machine verifies snapshots of the web page from 1996! Now I just need to figure out how to get a TDNAM account...I wish GoDaddy took Paypal (balance). I may just have to get a friend to buy me a GoDaddy gift card, no?
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    • Profile picture of the author Dan B Rusu
      Originally Posted by BradBergeron View Post

      Apparently only 182 sites linking in (so the sites must have about 9 different pages on average linking to the domain?). Domain Age Check Tool - SEOLogs.com verifies it was bought 15 years ago and Wayback Machine verifies snapshots of the web page from 1996! Now I just need to figure out how to get a TDNAM account...I wish GoDaddy took Paypal (balance). I may just have to get a friend to buy me a GoDaddy gift card, no?

      Sounds like you've discovered a great domain. Godaddy does accept paypal don't they? I usually pay for my domains thru paypal.
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  • Profile picture of the author ramashankar
    Very intresting frnd.
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  • Profile picture of the author CRTrainer
    Just bought your course Daniel and I must say I'm impressed. Great job with this case study also.
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    • Profile picture of the author D. Spidey
      Awesome experiment. Thanks for sharing the results.
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  • Profile picture of the author JSProjects
    I love threads like these. Hit the "thanks" button for you and look forward to giving it a read.
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  • Profile picture of the author Moondive
    Great experiment i must try it on my websites
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  • Profile picture of the author ryanjm
    I think the results of this experiment prove: It's hard to rank well for competitive terms Macbook review would be a somewhat valuable keyword, but isn't on first page anywhere, let alone knocking on #1's door. The b2tb is a scam product so it's value on 1st page is zero. Shaving products is "ok" but it's just not a high value term since 99% of people are just looking for some disposable razors, and the search volume is negligible if you're not #1 for that term.

    Great experiment though and good effort.
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  • Profile picture of the author Karan Goel
    Seems like a cool thread. Subscribed!

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  • Profile picture of the author 33zpix
    thanks Daniel and engaged contributors!- this thread is great, a valuable tutorial on the real time results of SEO /Ranking work. Glad I found it even at this late date. Got here thru an affiliate email promo for your WSO "Massive..." course -(somehow I cannot find a Name for it) sounds good and you have offered a lot-
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    • Profile picture of the author Dan B Rusu
      Originally Posted by CRTrainer View Post

      Just bought your course Daniel and I must say I'm impressed. Great job with this case study also.
      Thanks, appreciate it!

      Originally Posted by D. Spidey View Post

      Awesome experiment. Thanks for sharing the results.
      Thanks, glad you enjoyed it.

      Originally Posted by JSProjects View Post

      I love threads like these. Hit the "thanks" button for you and look forward to giving it a read.
      Thanks!

      Originally Posted by Moondive View Post

      Great experiment i must try it on my websites
      The more case studies out there the better.

      Originally Posted by ryanjm View Post

      I think the results of this experiment prove: It's hard to rank well for competitive terms Macbook review would be a somewhat valuable keyword, but isn't on first page anywhere, let alone knocking on #1's door. The b2tb is a scam product so it's value on 1st page is zero. Shaving products is "ok" but it's just not a high value term since 99% of people are just looking for some disposable razors, and the search volume is negligible if you're not #1 for that term.

      Great experiment though and good effort.
      Ryan, thanks for the input. The sites have been bouncing around abit, and someday will be on the first page, other days not.

      For Blogging to the bank, whether the product is a scam or not, i've been able to show the power of matured and exact match domains mixed together. The site is consistently #1 (beats the product site) for blogging to the bank on google.

      For macbook pro review, I've posted up update on the rankings below


      Originally Posted by 33zpix View Post

      thanks Daniel and engaged contributors!- this thread is great, a valuable tutorial on the real time results of SEO /Ranking work. Glad I found it even at this late date. Got here thru an affiliate email promo for your WSO "Massive..." course -(somehow I cannot find a Name for it) sounds good and you have offered a lot-
      Thanks for the kind words. The wso is 1st page killer earnings and you can see it in my sig. I outline this seo process in greater detail in the wso
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  • Profile picture of the author Dan B Rusu
    * 3/5 Update on Macbook Pro Review

    I wanted to post an update on the macbook pro review sites. one of them got their 1st big commission



    This commission was earning from lostwishes . com (the matured domain)

    Here's how it's rankings are looking:



    #2 right now for "macbook pro review" on google!



    The EMD (macbookproreview . org) has completely dropped off the results, and is now on page 10 somewhere. Something went terribly wrong with this site's rankings one day. Looks like the matured domain was able to take alot more backlink building than the new emd was. I'll be doing some work on it to see if I can get it out of googles sandbox.

    Thanks for the comments everyone!
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    Congratulations on first big commission!

    Any more updates?
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