30 Day SEO Experiment: Macbook pro EMD back on 1st page

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Hey fellow Warriors, you've come across the thread for the 30 Day+ SEO Experiment.

Updates:
- 30 days is up. Read the post on page 3 to see the results.
- Read page 4 to see how the EMD for macbook pro is back on the 1st page


I added this experiment on Warrior Forum because I've been doing alot of SEO testing for my own benefit in ranking my "money sites, and my client's sites over the past year. I figure since I'm doing these tests either way - why not add one on here so everyone can benefit along with me.


The general goal of the experiment is to test top search engine position ranking times with different variables. These variables are:

- Exact match domain (EMD) vs. non Exact match domains vs. no keyword domains
- Matured domains vs. brand new registered domains
- Test different monetization methods

There's just 2 of them, but these variables in themselves have alot more in the background behind them (I'll get to that soon)

What we hope to get out of this:

Simple really...

- How much easier it is to rank with EMDs vs non-EMD vs domains without the keywords in it?
- How much easier it is to rank with Matured Domains vs. Brand New Domains?
- I'll be testing using clickbank, amazon, and adsense. How much each site earns being on a different monetization method



The overall plan is to build sites on 5 different domains, all with different variables, then backlink them to get them ranking.

Onpage seo:

I've tried to follow onpage seo best practices, and have tried to make each site as equal as possible. Here's some of the things I've done:

- Title & Description have main keyword twice
- Written 3 artices of various lenghts for each site
- Permalinks have the title of the post in them
- Made the main keyword bold a few times in the posts
- Linked from one post to another using the main keyword
- Linked out of the site to wikipedia (an authority site) using the main keyword. This I put in the footer
- Use allinone seo wordpress plugin

Offpage seo:

I will be building the same types & amounts of backlinks to each site to try and make it as even as possible. Here's what I'll be doing:

- Directory submission of each site to ~2500 directories
- Forum Profile backlinks (~100 or 200 per week) - some of these will include edu sites
- Blog commenting - Blog comments from non-revelant PR 0-5 pages, & relevant pages (not sure on the number yet, I'll post an update)
- Short Blog Posts - Pay some bloggers to write posts about the sites on their blog
- Get some high PR backlinks (this will be toward the end and will only be done if the sites aren't ranking in the top yet)

That's about it for Offpage.. I'll be doing all the backlinking myself using my backlink building lists and methods.



I'm going to be working with 5 sites with different stats & in different niches.

Building the sites

CMS - The sites are all on Wordpress. I used my own 1st Page Killer Earnings theme (you can grab it for free from my signature below) for 4 of them, and used a free Wordpress theme for one of them just to spice things up.

Content - All the sites have ~3 articles on them. I outsourced the writing of 2 of the articles, used just to have more content on the site, and write the article on the front page myself (for most the sites).

* Once the sites start hitting the 1st page - the "salescopy" on the 1st page of these sites will be tested and improved to increase conversions.

Monetization - Sites are monetized with: CPA offers, Clickbank, Amazon, & Adsense. To monetize, I just wrote a review for the products (except for the adsense site) and put up banners from the network.

Total Time to build each - ~30-45 minutes including article writing.


The matured domains I picked up either from a domain auction, or from the forums (all for ~$10) and the new domains from Godaddy ($7.49).

For each site, I'll show you:
  1. The site url
  2. current domains stats (like PR, baclinks, age, ect - stats from diagnosticoweb.com)
  3. Ranking stats for the keywords I'm targeting (from market samurai)
  4. Keyword stats for the keywords I'm targeting - such as Search volume, Expected traffic in position #1, CPC (from market samurai)
  5. Competition for the main keyword I'm targeting
  6. and apply the FEMO for a rough estimate of what I think the site can earn in position 1-3 for it's main keyword to tell us how much we might expect to make (these #s can be vastly off )
Site 1 - Bloggingtothebank [.] org

Mature, EMD, Clickbank monetization

*already ranking in the top 100 for the main keyword (HUGE benefit of grabbing these mature domains!)



Site 2 - Shavingproducts [.] net

Mature, EMD, Adsense monetization

*already ranking in the top 100 for the main keyword



Domain 3 - MacbookProReview [.] org

New, EMD, Amazon monetization

* Same keyword as domain 4 - direct comparison between New, EMD & Matured, no-keyword-domain to see the difference in results between the two



Domain 4 - LostWishes [.] com

Mature, no keyword in domain, Amazon monetization

* Same keyword as domain 4 - direct comparison between New, EMD & Matured, no-keyword-domain to see the difference in results between the two



Domain 5 - Satellitedirectx [.] com

New, EMD, Clickbank monetization

(The figures for FEMO seem crazy, but thats what it gave me...)





Of course the results will not be 100% accurate. I'm targeting different keywords with different competition levels, and the matured domains have different stats. With that in mind, I still think it'll be a worthwhile experiment.


Well that's about it, I think I've covered about everything. Let me know any questions you have. I'll post updates every few days on what work I've done and any progress in the SERPs.


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  • Oh I almost forgot.

    For the anchor text - I'll be varying it like this:

    60-70% main keyword
    25-35% other keywords
    5-10% the domain/ "click here" to make it look more natural
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  • I am following for sure!
  • Very nice. I enjoyed your methodological approach.
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    • As I read your thread it is very interesting and I found new strategies to use in SEO. Thanks!!!
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  • go on bro... ill follow ur methods here...
  • bookmarked!
  • This is something I have always wondered and an experiment I would like to do but just don't have the time. I look forward to the results.
  • Merry Christmas everyone!

    I jumped on very quick today to say I'm glad to see some people are following this thread and give you an update.

    Update: I've just completed submitting every site to the directories. The sites should start seeing some backlinks very soon. I'll be posting updates on backlinks & ranking movement as we go along.

    Group question: I want to try and get some group input. Right some I'm varying the anchor text like this:

    60-70% main keyword
    25-35% other keywords
    5-10% the domain/ "click here" to make it look more natural

    I know everyone has different opinions on this matter, what variation has worked best for you in the past?

    Again Merry Christmas, and I look forward to the responses.
  • Hi Dan, very interesting journey. I'm sure will be followed this thread. I want to act in action too, but I'm in low budget now so, I just learn from your thread now, and will duplicate your plan soon. Thanks
  • I've disclosed the domains I'm using in the test for everyone to see so everyone can learn more from the experiment.

    Enjoy...
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    This is very interesting. I'll definitely want to see the results and how much work it actually takes to get those up. I've wondered this myself and I'm also very intrigued in your course. As for your wordpress theme you give on your course is it tested and proven?

    Sorry I feel as if I should give you some fair friendly warning to your benefit:
    1) The domain: macbookproreview.org
    Might come under some legal issues for copy right domains
    2) You might want to take of the fact that you purchase high PR links from related websites or the links itself because if a google rep crosses this you can get some issues with the google slap. It's againsts TOS to buy links I think. Directory submissions and social bookmarks and forum commenting should be ok.

    Just thought you might value my opinion. Don't mean in anyway to bash your threads.
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  • Great experiment, I am curious how well the aged non EMD's will rank. Where do you do your directory submissions ? Do you have a good service, use software, or by other means?
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    • Hey humbledmarket,

      The wordpress theme is tested, I use it on most of my sites. Here's an image I pulled showing the CTR for some mini-adsense sites I've got:



      Thanks for the warnings,

      1) I'm hoping Apple has bigger fish to fry than to worry about my little site . But you're right, that can be a problem down the road.

      2) Good point. I reworded it to just say that I'll be building high PR links, and I've changed all the urls to "site [.] com".

      Thanks for your feedback, and I'm glad you're following this thread.

      I use my own directory submission service. You can see more about it in my signature


      I'll be posting an update alittle later on the status & ranking improvements!
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  • Daniel, awesome post, thanks for sharing the information. Just out of interest how many sites do you own? Also I purchased your course the other day the 1 page killer earnings course and although I know most of what was in it, absolutely well worth the money for anyone starting out. Great content, high quality videos and very detailed so well done!
  • * 12/18 Update (5 days after start of experiment)

    Hey everyone, it's been 5 days into this experiment and I'm happy to report some amazing improvements in ranking already!

    I've switch over to checking ranking positions using the Rank Checker plugin for Firefox because I can check all domains & keywords at once. Here is a screen shot of the report I ran today:

    *Please note: Rank Checker is not always 100% accurate. It will report rankings sometimes off by up to 10 positions. I've checked these in Google, and they seem to be pretty accurate.



    Somethings to point out:
    • Rankings improved in someway for every site across the board! And this was after only 5 days.
    • Blogging to the bank: While the main keyword didn't move up, the site is now ranking for the other 2 targeted keywords
    • Shaving products: This EMD is doing good - moved up to position 31 for it's main keyword
    • * Macbook Pro Review vs Lost Wishes (also about Macbook Pro Review): Notice the difference between these two domains. Even though lostwishes (matured) has no keywords in the domain, it so far is blowing macbookproreview [.] org (New) out of the water. It will be interesting to see how they ranking as this experiment goes on..
    • Satellite Direct - not ranking for main, but managed to start ranking for other 2 keywords.
    • Not many backlinks have been picked up - You can check the backlinks for any of these sites by using the Yahoo SE. You'll see so far yahoo has not reported very many backlinks.
    What has been done so far:

    It's incredible that these sites have started moving with such little work. I know the Google Dance will come into effect soon and they'll bounce around losing their current rankings, but this is still encouraging to see.

    So far I've only:
    • Built the sites with 100% unique content
    • Built some directory backlinks

    What's next:
    • This week (2nd week of experiment): Use my profile backlink building team to build 2000 profile backlinks to each site.
    • End of this week, beginning of next: Use my blog commenting team to build 500 blog comments to each site.

    Stay tuned for further updates & please ask any questions you may have! I'll try to answer them all once per day.
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    • I'm anxious to see if the injection of "2000 profile backlinks" into the mix will land any of these sites in the ole sandbox.

      Historically, I have not had good luck blasting a site with a ton of links, but I'll keep my mind open for the sake of broadening my education here.

      However, I HAVE had very good luck in using some "drip feed" (slow and steady) backlinking over the course of several months. This is, by far, my favorite way to get to the top 3 positions and stay there.

      Good luck.

      I'll be watching.
  • Nice work, will also be following this.

    If I could be a CTR like that I'd be a very happy man!!.....custom template is it?

    Cheers!
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    • Ya it will be interesting to see how the matured domains do versus the new domains when being hit with many backlinks.

      I'm not too worried about the large number of backlinks. The reasons are because the backlinks will be crawled by search engines over a period of time, sometimes not finding a profile backlink for months. So the search engines wont see 2000 backlinks all at once

      And second, drip feeding works because it's consistent backlink buidling and that's what I'm doing by keeping the number of backlinks built every week fairly consistant - first with directories, then profiles, then blog comments, then high PR links.

      Thanks for the input!


      It's a custom wp theme I made. It's very simple and that's the reason for the high CTR. You can build a similar theme very easily if you have some php experience. Or you can grab mine free in my sig.
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    is it really possible? i am very much inspired. i am going to start my new SEO campaign just like you. pray for me.
    and thanks again.
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    • Ya it's definitely possible. Remember, these campaigns have only been running for 5 days or so now. We'll be seeing even better results as more backlink building is done.

      Good luck with your campaigns!
  • Great post I'm going to follow it and see how it goes for sure but I do have 1 question.

    My question is what you pay a team for 2000 profile links or 500 blog links.

    Thanks in advance,
    NetWorth
  • This is amazing thread for noobs to follow. I gained few tips what to try big thanks for sharing this. Thumbs up
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    • I build the links inhouse. I think you mean what do I charge for 2000 profile links & 500 blog comments? You can check my signature for this.

      Thanks Steven, Good luck
  • *12/26 Update (6 Days after Start of Experiment)

    I know I posted an update yesterday, but I checked the ranking status of the sites and just had to post an update:



    That's right, 1st Page Ranking for 2 of blogging to the bank's keywords after just 6 days! I manually checked in Google and it's there.

    I dont' expect it to remain on the 1st page for very long, it will probably bounce in the top 30 for the next few days or weeks, but this is exciting to see none-the-less.

    * I will also be changing the keyword "macbook pro review" to "macbook review" for the 2 macbook pro sites as it's got much more search volume and I feel like going for something more competitive.
  • very interesting experiment. I am looking forward to reading your final results!
  • I will be following this thread like a slave.
  • how do you manage to get a matured domain? is there a place to buy?
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    • I have thought about using the "click here" anchor text in some of my sites after analyzing some of my competition.

      I am an IT consultant by day, and about a year ago my website was outranked by a brand spanking new website. My website is far older and more established, has better keyword density, more backlinks, higher PR, and linked to by more authoritative websites.

      The only difference I saw was in his backlinks. His backlinks was far more natural-looking. He had the URL as anchor text, and a lot of "click here" anchor text. He also had a number of keyword anchor text links, but not nearly as many as I did. He does not have the keyword in the domain or URL, but neither do I.

      The only thing that I can assume from this is that Google must have a tiny bit of their algorithm that really likes to see a few "natural-looking" links like these.
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  • * 12/31 Update Time!

    Here's the current ranking for the sites:



    Things to point out:
    • The blogging to the bank site is doing the ole Google dance. It jumped from the 1st page to page 11 or so. This is normal with your site gets an influx of backlinks. The important thing right now is to try and get some higher authority backlinks for the site to stable it a bit. Surprisingly the site has been picked up by yahoo or bing yet..
    • All the other rankings have remained about the same.
    What's next

    - Ok at this point all the profile backlinks have been made. Here's a sample:

    http://slicklaptops [.] com/community/profile.php?id=74809

    Although I built ~2500 for each site, I'm not too worried about the high number of them. Some of these will get deleted, some of them will no uncrawled, and of the ones that remain, they'll get picked up by search engines slowly over the next few months. But who knows, we'll have to wait and see how the sites react to the links

    - High Authority Links

    I want to try and get some higher authority backlinks to these sites - especially blogging to the bank to stable it out. I'm gonna manually do some blog commenting on high PR posts, and possibly get a few homepage backlinks going to the sites.

    - Low PR blog commenting

    Debating about this one. I'm gonna wait a few weeks and leave this for the end to see if it's required.



    Well that's about all! Keep watching to see where this all goes!
  • I looked in your signature, could not find the wordpress theme. It said it's included in your WSO.
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    • After you buy the wso or sign up for the free access account, click on "additional resources" and you'll find the theme for free under there.
  • Interesting experiment
    i) When you compare EMD vs non-EMD, are both keywords equally competitive ? In the above case bloggingtothebank and lostwishes .. Are they equally competitive? They fall into different categories and are they not going to differ interms of keyword difficulty? Are you building the backlinks in the same fashion for both the sites?

    ii)Why havent you tried 1)article marketing or .edu/.gov links .. Is there a specific reason?
  • I'll tell you now, exact match domains are the way to go for ranking highly with minimum SEO.

    I've accumulated 10 EMDs which I'm focusing my full attention on until I start profiting from them, without telling the keywords so far, here is my progress with my most successful domain.

    6,600 Exact Monthly Searches in Google alone

    Google Rank: 4
    Yahoo Rank: 5
    Bing Rank: 5

    Backlinks: 37

    Got onto the first page of Google within literally 2 or 3 days, as more backlinks have been indexed and as a few weeks have past, I've gradually moved up in the rankings.
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    • i) The direct comparison comes between macbookproreview & lostwishes. They are both targeting the same 3 keywords - all three to do with macbook pro review.

      Bloggingtothebank is a unique example as it's both matured & an EMD.

      ii) I dont find article marketing for backlinks worth the time required. Some do, but I dont.

      edu & gov backlinks are good high authority links, they just hadnt crossed my mind with I wrote the OP. I've been considering adding them in the next couple weeks. Thanks for bringing this up.

      I couldn't agree more. These days I rarely try to rank new domains. Matured domains just require so much less time and work.

      Thats some amazing results you got. A couple days to the 1st page is the same thing I saw with the bloggingtothebank site, but it's now dancing around. Some domains will dance a while, some won't.

      What kind of backlinks did you build - and how many did you build of each?

      Good luck with your other 10 emds!
  • The backlinking I've done has been dead simple, I bought 100 social bookmarks for 5 sites and saw great results. Ranking from nowhere to 1-3 pages on Google instantly.

    My main stumbling block has been the index rate, it's been around 5% to 10% of natural indexing by Google.

    I bought 250 profile backlinks to 7 sites though and I hired someone to index the links, they have testimonials where the index rate has varied from 40% to 60% which I'd be more than happy with. The site is called #1 Bulk Backlinks Indexing Service | Index Backlinks | Index Bear and hopefully it will work well.

    The price of SEO for the sites has been tiny, $10 for 100 social bookmarks and $15 for all the profile backlinks but I don't know how effective they'll be.
  • * 1/1 Day 10. 1st Update of the New Year!


    Here's the current rankings:



    Not much difference today then when I posted the other day, but the Satellite Direct site has had some good movement so I wanted to post an update.
    • Satellite Direct is now on the 2nd and 3rd page for it's secondary keywords. Nothing yet for it's main keyword.
    • Blogging to the bank is moving around again. This is a good sign. Hoping it gets back up in the SERPs soon.
    • Macbook pro review on lostwishes has mad some small improvements, while the new EMD has moved at all.

    Backlink building status:

    I've made some small changes to the backlink building plan. Added things I felt would help the sites rank faster, and removed some things. This just shows you that you have many "tools" available when backlink building, and the nice thing is you can pick and choose what you want to do.

    What's been Done...

    - Directory submission of each site to ~2500 directories. Done 12/25 - Yahoo SE has started reporting some of these backlinks.

    - Forum Profile backlinks (2500 profiles). Done 12/31 - Yahoo SE is not reporting any of these yet.

    This week (Week 2)...- Social Bookmarking. I'm adding getting ~100 social bookmarks to each site. This will help show search engines my site is increasing in popularity.

    -     Blog comments from related sites ranking for my keywords - I will try and get backlinks from blogs on my topic.

    - EDU backlinks. Decided to add the building of ~60 edu backlinks to each site.
    - Get some high PR backlinks (~4). I'm going to start off with 4 for each site, then later in the month add more.

    Week 3

    - Blog commenting - 500 Blog comments from non-revelant PR 0-5 pages.

    - Get some more high PR backlinks (~4). I'm going to start off with 4 for each site, then later in the month add more.

    - Paid Short Blog Posts - I am probably not going to do this after all. Not sure yet, I'll see as the experiment progresses.



    Well that's about all, I'm looking forward to seeing what kind of rankings I get this week!
  • Any movement to speak of, Dan?
  • what tools are you using for backlink creation?
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    • Theres been alittle bit with the satellite direct site. I'm gonna wait til theres been bigger movement to post an update.

      I do the higher authority backlink building manually - this is the blog comments from related sites, edu backlinks, high pr homepage backlinks.

      Then I use custom software and a team for the low authority backlinks - forum profiles, social bookmarking, low authority blog comments
  • Thanks Daniel7rusu.. i will sure use this method and its very useful for new seo.
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    • Hi Daniel

      Interesting post.

      One of the aspects that caught my eye but hasn't yet been commented on was your conversion rate estimations, which ranged from 0.1% to 20%

      Did you base this off experience and the type of monetisation you were offering, or do you have a useful tool that assists here so to speak

      Thanks
      Ed
    • Thanks for sharing the great information. This would be great source for SEO newbies.
    • I am new here and i just read your thread. I must say very inspiring. Looks like you are using Market Samurai.

      BTW where can i get the same theme you are using ?
    • Am following you. Its quite a hardwork doing this experiment - i think its worth the while anyhow
    • good article m following it
  • * 1/4 Update

    Here are the current rankings:



    Things to point out:
    • Blogging to the bank is still bouncing around, I think once the search engines pick up some of it's high authority backlinks I've built it will start heading to the top
    • Lostwishes (macbook pro review site) is still doing better than the new emd, but no movement from either one of them
    • Satellite direct is ranking very well for it's secondary keywords, but surprisingly, very low for the main keyword.
    What I'm working on now:
    • I finished building links from 4 of my own PR4 sites - links placed in the body on the hompage of the sites
    • I will be working on the edu backlinks today, and will have social bookmarking done in the next couple of days.
    I Expect to see some changes in ranking by the end of this week!
  • *1/4 2nd update:

    I know i posted an update earlier today, but I opened rankchecker to check the rankings before going to bed and I was pleasantly surprised to find:



    Looks like blogging to the bank is dancing in the right direction...
  • 1/6 Update

    Newest Rankings:



    Things to point out:

    • The EMD macbookproreview is picking up and starting to rank very well. It's currently in 18 for the main keyword.
    • Not much change with the other domains
    Status Update:
    • I've built 70 edu backlinks to each of the sites using my EDU backlink packet. Combined all the profiles into one RSS and pinged it.
    • Social bookmarking will be completed in the next couple days.
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    • Thanks for the update. Appreciate it.
  • This is pretty cool. Gives me some good ideas and motivation to try some new things out.
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    • Yup, new update coming soon this week.

      Glad to hear it. Keep watch for more updates.
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  • * 1/10 Update: Got High 1st page rankings with 2 sites

    Wanted to post a quick update for now. Later I'll post a more detailed update of where I'm at with the experiment and whats next.





    and..




    Don't expect the sites to google dance any longer as they've had these rankings for a few days now.

    While I havent seen any revenue yet, I have had about 20 clicks from the macbook pro review site to amazon. And expect much more with this high rankings now.

    I also need to adjust the shaving products site as it's not showing any adsense banners.


    Not too bad for only about 15 days. 15 days left.


    Ask any questions you have!!
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    • Hey.

      I like what you are doing.

      I've done similar things with Market Samurai where I estimate my traffic and conversion rates and the overall cash I will make. Really gets the greed glands going.

      But how are you estimating your traffic?

      I usually take my phrase or exact match search, and then multiply it by .40 for a #1 ranking.

      But I guess SEOT is that same number.. (right?)

      But how are you doing it?

      Also, what is FEMO?
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  • So 20-30% of the total number of broad searches?
  • Also, what has been completed so far? I know you had:

    Directory Submissions (~2500)
    Forum Profiles (~2500)
    70 EDU Backlinks
    4x Pr4 home page links.

    Anything else? Did you complete the bookmarking?

    One thing to note; it would have been nice if you had left out the home page links. That seems to be the one thing that ALL of us can't do as the other methods anyone can do (with the right resources of course).

    Also, how many forum profile links ended up getting indexed or at least stayed active?

    Thanks.
  • Another question:

    The forum profile links and blog comments - are they on relevant niche sites (like for your macbook site, did you only do profiles on computer forums, etc) or are they on random sites that aren't related to the niche in any way?

    Also, were these ~2500 unique sites, or were there doubles, etc. Since you are targeting more than one keyword, did you possibly put more than one comment/profile on each blog/forum?

    Thanks.
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    • No of the exact searches. I've found exact to be a better estimator of traffic you might get, and 20-30% is a nice conservative number.

      I also try to estimate what position I think I'll get to, and based on that I'll use a different percentage.

      Great questions

      So far profiles, directory submission, edu backlinks, blog commenting on related sites, and 4 homepage backlinks have been done. Social bookmarking was completed just the other day.

      I didn't know homepage backlinks was a big thing that alot of people can't do right now. I've got a nice system down for this, would a guide on how to do this be helpful?

      Not sure how many are active, I'll have to run scrapebox later to check this, but only a handful so far have been pickedup by yahoo. I've created an rss of all the links and submitted them to rss syndicators. That should help get them crawled.

      I'll be posting a big update in a little bit.

      Your welcome, enjoy.

      Profiles are on random sites, blog comments I manually go for related sites.

      The 500 blog comments I was thinking of doing would have been on non-related, low PR blogs and I've decided against it for this.

      Not sure what you mean by are the 2500 profile sites unique. I put one backlink per profile. Then used the list over again for the other sites.
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    • Hi Daniel7rusu,

      Great informations !

      Could you give informations about your earnings ?

      Thank you
  • Hi,
    I watch your thread from past few days and see improvement in rankings. I think a good improvement is seen after 2-5 days. Keep update the rankings. Have you use any software for bookmarking, directory submission.
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    • Right now there havent been any earnings. A good number of clicks to amazon, but no conversions.

      I'll update with earnings as they come.
  • Very Nice - thank for starting such a great thread, this is very interesting to watch others, I'm sure everybody here may pick up a thing or two.
  • I've heard people saying that either Directory submission is not benefitial for SEO purpose or it can have a negative effect :S I am confused. Care to explain?
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  • Great Post. I will be following this thread up to the last day.
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    • Thanks, glad you like it

      It's always worked well for me. It's not as powerful as it used to be - and alot of directories are complete garbage, but you can get a handful of good backlinks from them.

      Thanks Izaya

      If enough people are interested I'll writeup a guide for doing this.

      Sweet, welcome aboard
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  • Daniel,

    Thanks for the great thread. I'll definately subscribe. If you're willing to share a guide on how to get homepage links it would be really benefical for all of us. I have a few ways of my own that would work well with a little twist but I'm yet to try them.
  • *1/12 Update

    I'm excited about today's update:









    Update:
    • Blogging to the bank seems to have gone through it's google dance phase and is not settling down. I'm looking forward to moving it up in the serps even higher.
    • Macbook pro review EMD has remained about the same.
    • Lostwishes (promoting macbook pro) has moved up a little for it's keywords

    Backlink building status:

    What's been Done...

    - Directory submission of each site to ~2500 directories. Done 12/25 - Yahoo SE has started reporting some of these backlinks.

    - Forum Profile backlinks (2500 profiles). Done 12/31 - Yahoo SE has started reporting a few of these.

    - Social Bookmarking. (100 bookmarks) Done 1/11

    -     Blog comments from related sites ranking for my keywords - Done 1/8

    - EDU backlinks. Done 1/6

    - Get some high PR backlinks (~4). Done 1/3

    Up next

    - Web 2.0s - I'm going to create ~10 web 2.0s for each site

    - More high PR backlinks - I'm going to get some more high pr backlinks to the site by doing blog commenting on high pr posts.

    - Use some of other websites to rank - I've got some other sites on different IPs. I'm going to use these to backlink my sites. Most people have a few other sites, and you get get some good link juice by doing this.



    My thoughts right now:

    - Lostwishes (promoting macbook pro) is the surprise in this whole experiment. It's got much better stats than the emd, yet not ranking nearly as well.

    Lesson: Now something I should point out is this is not an exact experiment. There could be backlinks that the EMD got that lostwishes didn't get. I'm curious to see what happens throughout these next couple weeks of the experiment.

    Also, having the keyword in the domain might be more important than I thought. I am thinking of starting another experiment where I test a matured domain with a keyword in it versus an EMD.

    - Satellite Direct - Is pretty disappointing so far. It's doing horrible for the main keyword, but pretty good for the other 2. I checked the site in SEO Spyglass and I see that alot of the anchor text is in fact the main keyword. So this is very surprising. I'm going to try and update the onpage seo to have this keyword in it more.






    That's about it.


    Keep the questions coming!
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    • This is one of the best posts I've seen on this forum. Really useful. Thanks so much!!!
    • In a earlier WSO post by a senior warrior member, Sean Donahoe. He reveals his site www.vidassassin.com ranking very well for the term "video marketing", with very few backlinks and a highly competitive term.When i checked today it was ranking 4 for "video marketing" which has 226,000,000 results. www.vidassassin.com is ranked 4 with around 100 backlinks only.

      On the other hand in your experiment you have been building massive links.

      Both, are 2 different approaches to attain top ranking.Request for your inputs on the same.
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    • It would be nice if u can include this in the experiment as well.
  • When I search for blogging to the bank on google, I don't find your site until Page 3 Spot 7 (37). Also, my results are showing you dropped two spots for macbook pro review as well. I'm hoping this is just the Google Dance still finishing up it's set.

    The Social bookmarks you did were just to your homepage or did you bookmark each and every page of your site?
  • I actually thought it was exremely helpful.

    Your implying that Sean's site might have ranked well because the competition wasn't crazy competitive to begin with, but also because even though he didn't build many backlinks, the ones he did use were high quality.

    On the other hand, while it looks like yout working 20x harder to achieve the same result, you building a foundation of increasing backlinks which will only make your site stronger in time and harder to knock out of whatever position it ends up holding when the smoke clears.

    I think it made perfect sense and also gave me some insight as to why we should build low quality backlinks, even if we don't see the benefit of them right from the beginning.
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    • Dan,

      You build links, SE wud index some.......... Will this process continue forever?

      Else, you'll stop building back-links, when your targets are achieved in terms of ranking and revenue.

      Thanks,
  • Lovin the experiment Daniel. I'll keep following it. What's super cool is the rank tracker tool. I didn't know you could get that for Firefox. Just downloaded it. One more reason why Firefox rocks!!

    Joel
  • This is a really great experiment to follow from sideline. All your techniques that you use are they from a WSO or something? Im new in the seo business

    EDIT: The meaning of this experiment is simply to build up these niche blogs and get them ranked good in google then you flip them over at flippa.com for a good profit? Right?
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    • Thanks ck. I basically just typed everything that ran through my head last night. So I'm glad it makes sense and is helpful

      No I stop once the site has got the rankings I want

      Thanks joel. Yup, Firefox is the ultimate browser right now

      You can check out my sig below for a wso where I go from step a to z of creating a site and ranking it.

      If it's just seo knowledge you're looking for, you'll find alot of good stuff in the wso.

      Ya, flip them or keep them for automated income.
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  • Great stuff so far, Daniel.

    Are any of the sites making money?
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    • Dan,

      What's your take on Article Syndication services like UAW,SEO Linkvine etc.?

      Would you be using them on any of these sites?

      Thanks,
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  • Been following along, great thread and idea. Started my own little experiment but with just brand new EMDs.
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    • Yup, look above

      I've used UAW. I think it's a good way to get a good number of backlinks, but don't expect it to perform miracles. It's one tool of many that can help.

      I custom designed the theme I'm using. You get it free if you buy my Wso. It's not being sold anywhere.

      Thanks!

      Nice, glad to hear it. Send me the url to the thread so I can check it out and follow along with what you're doing.
  • 1/14 Update - 1st Sell Made!

    Well I logged in to clickbank today to discover a nice surprise:



    If you search BTTB1 - you'll find it's for blogging to the bank.

    Nothing yet for the other sites - but I'm confidant I'll be seeing earnings soon enough.

    Morale of the story: dont let anyone tell you it takes months to get an affiliate income coming in with seo!
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    • Hey Dan,

      I noticed your MacBook site has an adsense bar on the top replicating the nav bar. There hasn't been any clicks there yet?

      Also, thought I'd point out BTTB 2011 is launching 01/24 so it looks like your in a good position and have lucky timing to really bank with that site!
  • Awesome real-life info, thanks.
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  • Thanks for such a great inspiration! Will keep following!!!
  • Great stuff buddy! Bookmarked this thread. I'll watch closely!
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    • Hey Dan.

      If you have access to a few of high PR domains, would it not be better just to get a number of homepage backlinks from these sites rather then bother with anything else. I am sure they on their own would do the biz rather then mess around with directory submissions, blog commenting, forum profiles, etc.

      Jim.
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  • I must say this is great posting and even better experiment.

    You have motivated me to start experimenting more, i have two new sites just right for this kind of job.

    Good luck
  • i agree with ckweb, backlink is a backlink... Beside, what would it be like if al he would be doing is posting backlinks on his high PR sites?
    It is better to build backlinks on other sites and ad his high PR backlinks later in the future
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    • Hi Daniel,

      thanks for sharing this experiment.

      In just 15 days you got the first sale...this is great !

      About the directory submission I submitted my site to over 250 directories about 10 days ago, and only 6-7 has accepted me so far !

      The most of the free directories has 3-4 months review time !
  • 1/17 Update

    Well Sonic74, since you asked..

    30 days is drawing near - about another week left. I'll do this update, then do one last update when the 30 days is up. I'll probably continue this experiment past 30 days and make more updates if you guys want.

    Ranking update:


    • Macbook pro sites - both these sites are still in the google dance. The matured domain has jumped up to the 2nd page, which I'm happy to see. The emd has dropped to the bottom of the 2nd.
    • All the other sites have improved in ranking across the board. Blogging to the bank is a clear favorite and has gotten great rankings after such a short time for all it's keywords. That shows the power of matured domain mixed with emd



    Traffic update:




    • Traffic has also improved across the board. The macbook pro site is doing really well with about 80 visitors/day now.
    Earnings Update:



    • Macbook pro sites - these sites have been getting a good number of clicks to amazon, but no conversions yet. I can't wait for that day.. (4% of ~$1500 = $75 from one conversion). The emd also also gotten some adsense. It's only got an adsense code in the header - so has a small CTR. But, with getting paid ~$1 per click, adsense is not bad for this site.
    • Satellite direct - this site got it's 1st conversion and its not even ranking very well! Payout of $33 is really nice. Can't wait to see what happens once I get it ranking better
    • Shaving products - adsense ad blocks not displaying. I need to switch this to amazon.
    • Blogging to the bank - no sells since it got one a few days ago.

    Other updates:

    • Drawing near to the end now. My focus now is to try and get these sites ranking even higher in the next few days. I will focus on web 2.0s, article submissions, and others. I'm going to be testing with edu blogs on some other sites. If that works well, I will implement on these sites
    • I'll continue this experiment past 30 days if you guys want. Just let me know.


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    • Hey Dan,

      I've been keeping track of some of your pages as well and for me, Macbookproreviews is still #7 on the 1st page and lostwishes is #20. Blogging to the bank and shavingproducts are both #7 as well for it's main keywords.

      This is all with broad search using no parentheses.
  • it is nice to see that things are going right way...
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    • Dan,

      Can you please list all back-linking done till date? Will you continue to build links or wait for google to catch up and index links build previously?

      It would be good if you can continue with this experiment. Let's watch when these sites reach top ranking.

      Thanks,
  • This thread is both inspring, and depressing at the same time, thanks! (for the inspiring part)
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    • He does have a technique with his name on it!

      Check out Dan's WSO! It's fantastic!
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  • Any movement to speak of,
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  • Am I missing something, or has the macbookproreview.org dropped out from top 100 in google dot com for keyword "macbook pro reviews" ?
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    • It's actually "Macbook pro review" (no 's'). I did a check and it's ranking in positon 183 now actually.

      Dan, is this the Google dance again or did you get slapped?
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  • Daniel thanks for this inspiring real-life experiment!

    I have been dabbling with SEO for the past few months and have been swamped and probably lost sight of what I need to do. There are too many confusing information out there on what works and what don't.

    Getting ranked on page 1 seems to take forever and coming from PPC background, it is VERY frustrating, lol! I've gone through every post on this thread and learn a ton. Thank you from the bottom of my heart!
  • I also do a lot of SEO for both global and local niches so it's so cool to see how you exactly do from the start to the end. It's a real valuable thread!
  • Daniel's thread make me blur eye reading all the page down. Yah, good experiment.
    I have tried my KW ranking and i see that i do not rank well cuz i am lacking of building backlink. Straight to the point, i am very satify with the thread
  • Hi Dan,

    I am reading all of your posting here in this topic. I found no outsources resources you have stated, where we can ask people do our jobs.

    Do you completed your jobs by yourself?

    Thank,
    Mozesteven
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    Thanks for sharing your experience, I learned many things from this.
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    • Ya I just saw a few days ago that the site has dropped. As it's a new domain - the google dance will last longer than it would with a matured domain. I was hoping it would stay on the 1st page, but this has proved too good to be true.

      Another issue is I've been super busy and not spent any more time to build consistant backlinks. I will up my efforts and the site will be back soon.

      Glad this has helped. SEO can be confusing and take a long time, but you'll never have to pay per click again!

      Thanks

      Sweet thanks

      You can use odesk.com or other freelance sources for backlinks - especially the blog backlinks. I did the profile backlinks and others myself mostly. There are many services in the warrior services section that can help you with this.

      Ya no problem.
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    • Any updates?
      I would really like to know how the things are going.
  • Hi Daniel............Its amazing....


    Like it.

    I will sure try to use this method..


    thanx
  • kkkk, great thread,very informative, i will make one like this in the future i guess
  • * 30 Day Update!

    I'm going to go ahead and continue posting weekly updates for these sites for about another month as alot of people are interested and have asked me to extend this experiment. So, this post will be the 30 day update where you can see what would have been the final results if I had stopped this experiment at 30 days haha.

    I'll listed the data by domain. You'll find ranking, traffic, and revenue for this 30 day period.




    Disclaimer:
    • Remember that this was not a perfect, enclosed experiment. While I'll draw some conclusions from this experiment, there were outside factors behind my control - use as time users spent per site, number of pages visited, which of the backlinks I built stuck. So, while it might seem like one site did much worse than another, that could be attributed to things outside my control.

    Revenue:

    • Total Revenue was $51.37. Not too shabby for the 1st month. Revenue came from just 3 of the sites above - the 2 other didn't produce anything.
    • Got a total of 80 clicks to Amazon. The macbook pro is a high ticket item, and proved to be hard to convert. Maybe we'll get a conversion or two as I continue this experiment.


    Conclusion:
    • At the end of 30 days - the matured domains have performed better in the rankings than the new domains.
    • Overall, I am happy with the rankings. Some sites need major improvments, some sites have been total surprises in their lack of rankings for certain keywords, and some sites have done very well. It's been quite a mixture.
    • The matured domains have bounced around in the google dance much less than the new domains have
    • Macbookproreview . org - new, emd - was looking very promising, but is now in Google Hell. It's ranking someone on the 9th or 10th page. The dance continues...
    • Google Dance sucks. Expect your sites to dance around quite a bit when trying to get them ranking.
    • The forum profiles have proven to not get indexed easily. More of an effort is required to get them indexed.
    • Consistency is key! One of the main reasons I believe the emd macbookproreview is suffering is due to my lack of consistency. I became busy and didn't build any backlinks for the past 2 weeks. The matured domains have proven to be able to take lack of consistency much better then the new domains.

    What's next?

    • I'm going to continue this experiment by building more backlinks, trying to revive the emd macbookproreview site, and seeing if I can get these sites to bring in a good revenue.
    • Satellite Direct and Blogging to the bank have already brought in a bit of earnings. It'll be exciting to see how much these sites can bring in.
    • The backlinks focus will be on getting quality backlinks at this point. I will be getting backlinks from high PR blog comments, that aren't spammed to death, and getting contextual backlinks through article submission.


    Well, that's it after 30 days! Stayed tuned to continue seeing more results with these sites.
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  • Waiting the result after you build quality backlinks (high PR blog comment, contextual backlinks and articles submission). Happy to see the $ credited to your account.

    Regards,
    Mozesteven
  • This is a cool thread. Great job. Ill be looking at your WSO.

    I have used these techniques with local search. I just ranked a site on page 2 in Google, position 6 in 1 day. "About 214,000 results". Now back linking to get it on page one. Just make sure that there are actually searches being done for the term.

    Daniel (that's my little bros name) are you not concerned about jeopardizing your Adsense account by showing your domains etc.?

    By the way....I live in Bothell, WA!

    Cheers

    Bryon
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    • Thanks mozesteven,

      Ya im excited to see how the sees do too!

      Bryon,

      No way, Bothell's awesome. Nice to find another Washingtonion!

      Great job on the rankings - ya make sure people are searching before you do all the backlinking work!

      I haven't heard anything about not being able to display our adsense domains. I've blurred out the ctr, ect so I hope there are no issues.

      Dont know why Google would care about me revealing 1 of my sites with adsense.

      Dan
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  • the important thing is whether the rankings stick ove time after you have stopped building links to them aggressively and move on to next projects
  • Very nice method here... I'm new in SEO and this could help me.. Learned few techniques and strategies.
  • Very nice effort here Dan. It just shows what a little time and effort for one site can bring in terms of success. I do not like using labels like passive income in regards to our sites. In the end we are getting paid for our time creating buzz and backlinks. How much we get paid is a clear indicator of our value at the end of the day.
  • what program do you use for directory submissions???
  • Dan:

    I noticed the macbook sites are showing no ranking for google as of today.
    What do you attribute that to?
    sorry, I'm a newbie.
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    • ya ya that's true. I'll be working on them to build more consistent backlinks and have them ranking again soon.

      Glad you like it.

      Ya that's a good point - it does require a bit of work in the beginning. But what I mean by passive is that after everything is done and I've got top rankings for a site, I can sit back and never touch it again and have it bring money in.

      lostwishes is still on the 2nd page. the emd dropped off the face of the earth. Well I attribute it to the google dance and not building backlinks consistently enough. I need to be focused on building these backlinks more consistently.
  • My Goodness!!!
    Your campaigning plan is just Awesome.I'm going to start my own and really inspired by you. Your real life experiment is going to be a great guideline for me.
    Thanks man.
  • Check this out. I dont expect the site to remain in #1 - it's still bouncing around - but still very cool to see this. Huge jump in traffic also

  • I notice you have quite high bounce rates, do you think that this can affect your serps at all or do other sites you own have high bounce rates and yet achieve good serps?
  • any conversions with the jump in traffic?
  • Nice experiment, mature domains are excellent if they can be obtained at a reasonable price, as sometimes they do outrank exact match domains even without the keyword in the url
  • Awesome experiment!
    I am following it all the time.
    I agree with you on the profiles. I've done it and not even a single one have shown up.
    Same with directory submissions. I rather put a bit of money hiring a High PR backlink service than trying to get 5 backlinks out 2500 submissions in a directory.
    Keep it up dude!
    Very instructional!
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    • Most my sites have high bounce rates because if you think about it, these sites arent made for people to come on and browse around. They hit the homepage, follow the affiliate link, or leave, it's that simple.

      Ya i'm sure the bounce rate has hurt my rankings in some way.

      Yup, got 3 conversions in the past 3 days, pretty stoked about that. More to come..

      yup yup, that true. I usually grab em for under $20

      Ya, i like the directory submission still, but definitely do get the most out of either manually building the links or hiring someone.
  • Logged on this morning and found this nice surprise. The emd is back on the 1st page. I expect it to bounce around a bit more, but also to settle down on the 1st page really soon!

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    • Some really good stuff and great transparency here. I just hope for your sake that you did this on a hosting account setup for just this domain and completely separate from your other accts.

      You don't want Google to come around and play wackodomain's because they didn't like or agree with your linking structure.... It happened not to long ago with a pretty big promoter that launched a course and his core business that is affiliate links really took a dive when all 100+ of his sites were severely sand boxed.
  • Any updates today Danny Boy???
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    • based on your experiment, on the scale 1 to 10, how do you rate the importance of

      1) EMD in a new domain name


      2) MATURE domain names

      Could you also explain how you define a "mature" domain name?

      For example, would you call the following domain name mature (desirable)?

      keywordblabla.com was used for a site from 1999 to 2006

      In 2006 the site was disabled (hosting account closed)

      The ownership has not changed
      The registrant has not changed


      I'm planning to revive this site - get a new hosting, write a new content on the same old topic.



      thanks
  • Hey Daniel,

    Thanks for the reply, fair enough as to your reasons why.

    I like the fact you answered professionally, you can usually tell alot about a person about how they respond to certain types of questions.

    I said it once and I'll say it again, really great thread, very detailed and will no doubt help alot of people.

    Thanks
    Andy
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  • Any chance you could (or already have?) pointed out where you buy mature domains?

    Also - the profile backlink, directory submission, blog commenting team - how much do you pay for such a "team" or is it outsourced to someone in the services section?

    Thank you! Love this thread!
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    • I would like to know that too.
      BTW, will you make any updates on how much traffic you got and how much you earned?
  • any updates?
  • this is a great thread guys! i have a question though

    after finding a keyword what should i look for in the competition? my competition ranks 4 to 6 in PR and has about 20k backlinks in yahoo inlink. Is this something i can compete with or is it not worth it?

    i notice that some of the competition in macbook pro review results are very strong and rank very high are backlinks the best way to beat competition?
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    • I grab most my domains from godaddy auction. I'm developing a good piece of software right now that will help you find quality, matured domains from godaddy and other sources. I'll update you guys when this is ready.

      I outsource mainly to outsourcers on odesk

      sure, i will below


      Dont look so much at PR, as you should look to see if it's inner pages or root domains ranking, the age of the sites, backlinks linking it, and quality of the backlinks. PR helps you quickly gauge competition, but it's not the end all qualifier.
  • 2/7 Update

    I wanted to do a quick earnings update.



    1st Amazon commission! While they didnt buy the $1500 macbook I had hoped, I'm nice to see some earnings coming in and I'm still waiting for the big commission off a macbook pro sale to come in.

    BTTB is doing well, 2 sells in the last month.

    That's about it for now!
  • I was told by a friend (I think?) that the GoDaddy auctions age was false b/c they've just always been parked - eg: the amount of domain age weight it holds is as good as a fresh domain but apparently that's not true?
  • Are you using any other script/technique to help index your backlinks? or just let them be indexed naturally?
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    • Ya check to make sure they've had content on them previously using archive.org. This way you're not getting a domain that was always just parked.

      Awesome, glad you like it.

      I've just been letting them get picked up naturally. I've started experimenting on my own with ways to get them indexed for better rankings - especially the profile backlinks as those have a hard time getting indexed.
  • Looks like your EMD got the same Google slap almost every new EMD has gotten lately.
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    • At the moment macbookproreview.org is sitting on 198 for G dot com for keyword: macbook pro review
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  • So Daniel, I found a domain at TDNAM for a mere $10. It has just under 1500 backlinks to the home page and is 14 years old. It's PR is 0 (no submission in DMOZ or Yahoo directories though).

    One thing though, the Wayback Machine only gives archived pages for Dec 1996 to Jul 2004 (NOT 2010/2011).

    Would it be worth it to do a review site for TVs with this domain?
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    • Brad,

      That sounds like a great domain, nice find. Be sure to check it's backlinks on alexa.com to ensure that it's got quality backlinks coming in. The wayback machine won't give you content past 2007/2008, so don't worry too much about that.

      Yup, sounds like it would be worth grabbing.

      Dan
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  • Apparently only 182 sites linking in (so the sites must have about 9 different pages on average linking to the domain?). Domain Age Check Tool - SEOLogs.com verifies it was bought 15 years ago and Wayback Machine verifies snapshots of the web page from 1996! Now I just need to figure out how to get a TDNAM account...I wish GoDaddy took Paypal (balance). I may just have to get a friend to buy me a GoDaddy gift card, no?
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    • Sounds like you've discovered a great domain. Godaddy does accept paypal don't they? I usually pay for my domains thru paypal.
  • Very intresting frnd.
  • Just bought your course Daniel and I must say I'm impressed. Great job with this case study also.
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    • Awesome experiment. Thanks for sharing the results.
  • I love threads like these. Hit the "thanks" button for you and look forward to giving it a read.
  • Great experiment i must try it on my websites
  • I think the results of this experiment prove: It's hard to rank well for competitive terms Macbook review would be a somewhat valuable keyword, but isn't on first page anywhere, let alone knocking on #1's door. The b2tb is a scam product so it's value on 1st page is zero. Shaving products is "ok" but it's just not a high value term since 99% of people are just looking for some disposable razors, and the search volume is negligible if you're not #1 for that term.

    Great experiment though and good effort.
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  • Seems like a cool thread. Subscribed!

    Karan
  • thanks Daniel and engaged contributors!- this thread is great, a valuable tutorial on the real time results of SEO /Ranking work. Glad I found it even at this late date. Got here thru an affiliate email promo for your WSO "Massive..." course -(somehow I cannot find a Name for it) sounds good and you have offered a lot-
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    • Thanks, appreciate it!

      Thanks, glad you enjoyed it.

      Thanks!

      The more case studies out there the better.

      Ryan, thanks for the input. The sites have been bouncing around abit, and someday will be on the first page, other days not.

      For Blogging to the bank, whether the product is a scam or not, i've been able to show the power of matured and exact match domains mixed together. The site is consistently #1 (beats the product site) for blogging to the bank on google.

      For macbook pro review, I've posted up update on the rankings below


      Thanks for the kind words. The wso is 1st page killer earnings and you can see it in my sig. I outline this seo process in greater detail in the wso
  • * 3/5 Update on Macbook Pro Review

    I wanted to post an update on the macbook pro review sites. one of them got their 1st big commission



    This commission was earning from lostwishes . com (the matured domain)

    Here's how it's rankings are looking:



    #2 right now for "macbook pro review" on google!



    The EMD (macbookproreview . org) has completely dropped off the results, and is now on page 10 somewhere. Something went terribly wrong with this site's rankings one day. Looks like the matured domain was able to take alot more backlink building than the new emd was. I'll be doing some work on it to see if I can get it out of googles sandbox.

    Thanks for the comments everyone!
  • Congratulations on first big commission!

    Any more updates?
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