Big Change is here -Ranking Through social networks

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A few months ago your twitter and facebook marketing had little or nothing to do with search engine rankings. Many of us began to see changes in this but only this month did Google come out and admit that how you market yourself in social networks (in particularly your reputation ion social networks like twitter and Facebook) will begin to play a greater and greater significance in your rankings.


Put this together with every content management system adding more and more social functions and social networks themselves getting more traffic than Google and the writing is on the wall.

Search engine marketing and SEO are at the beginning of a merge.

This is actually a good thing for marketers. We no longer have to think of social network traffic and SEO traffic as two distinct strategies. They now can be one. In turn viral marketing (which often times gets most of its juice from social networks) can be integrated into real SEO.

The old days of thinking JUST about backlinks are almost OVER. Want a long term rank and ongoing traffic? You need to consider your social network strategies. What goes viral now and what sizzles in the social network world now can show up at the top of not only Google but Microsoft related sites like Yahoo and Bing (which can no longer be ignored now that they are approaching a third of the search market).

You can appear at the top of searches that have real time results AND your social network reputation can affect your rankings even when there are no real time results in that search.

So what should you be doing?

Well

A) you need to jump in or rethink your social network marketing strategy. Start spending some time with twitter and facebook. (as a SEO I have put that way in the back but am bringing it forward)

B) Get your site to integrate with Facebook, twitter and other social networks both for traffic and for SEO placement. The more natural it is to move between the big social networks and your site the greater signups, traffic and links you will see from users. Your goal is for them to not only socialize on third party social networks but on your own integrated community site.

C) Evaluate your backlink strategy for social networks. No direct links from the big networks do not help your SEO directly but the more users you have and the better reputation you have it will generally mean the more links you will get from users recommending your site from their blogs and from forums and followed comments etc.

I'm all ears as to other ways people have and will be using social networks. Post yours
#big #change #networks #ranking #social
  • Profile picture of the author orvn
    Yeah I heard about this in their press release last week. It only makes sense.

    I don't know if it means that several months ago social nofollow sites had zero impact, who knows when they implemented this.
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  • Profile picture of the author F1SEO
    Interesting. I haven't been using very much Twitter or Facebook, although we do have accounts. I think it's time to begin to look at using Social Media not just as a way of connecting to people but as a way of leveraging our web presence, and rankings.
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  • Profile picture of the author hijule
    this is the best news that I have heard in a long time. So does this mean that nofollow is going to start mattering in a broader sense later down the road?!
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    • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
      Originally Posted by hijule View Post

      this is the best news that I have heard in a long time. So does this mean that nofollow is going to start mattering in a broader sense later down the road?!
      it means that even social sites that have nofollow might still have ranking power through author reputation if not pagerank.
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  • Profile picture of the author jazbo
    I loathe twitter, I hate facebook and I hate the spamfest/relationship balancing act.

    But hey, as has been suspected for a while, you now also need to consider your "social profile" to be good in terms of people sharing your links.

    Fine, I will go and reopen my twitter spam profile network again. How boring that will be.

    :-/

    (No offense to the OP, this is a general rant on my part!)
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    • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
      Originally Posted by jazbo View Post


      (No offense to the OP, this is a general rant on my part!)
      As a matter of fact I agree. I kind of get twitter and the idea of quick updates (although ti most of the time just leads to mindless jabber) but Facebook has always seemed terribly bland to me. I can't wait for it to die off and be replaced by something more innovative. Just like you I am being drawn back to it kicking and screaming. I only want to use it to build my own community not because I like it.
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  • Profile picture of the author SamWilsonLaw
    Things are going to tighten up in social media in my predictive opinion. The social sites that survive will tighten up on spam when SE drive over the marketers. We're just in a state of flux at this time.
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  • Profile picture of the author pjman
    I have been focusing on integrating Twitter, Facebook, and Youtube with my site. Should I pay attention to any others, outside of social bookmarks?
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    • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
      Originally Posted by pjman View Post

      I have been focusing on integrating Twitter, Facebook, and Youtube with my site. Should I pay attention to any others, outside of social bookmarks?
      Well i would say that you also need to spend a little time making your own site more community friendly as well. Makes for good conversion (especially to a list) for direct traffic from those sites.
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      • Profile picture of the author bgmacaw
        I'm doing some testing on this myself to see if it's really effective or just yet another smokescreen.

        One interesting development I've seen recently are some marketing/advertising companies offering social media services to clients. For example, one is offering a 'viral' package that includes mentions across their blog network as well as several hundred Facebook 'fans' and matching Tweets. So much for it being spam-proof.
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        • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
          Originally Posted by bgmacaw View Post

          one is offering a 'viral' package that includes mentions across their blog network as well as several hundred Facebook 'fans' and matching Tweets. So much for it being spam-proof.
          At about 2:27 in th evideo this is mentioned and apparently what they are saying is that similar to backlinks from sites its not so much the amount of people that follow or fan you but the "quality" of the the fan or follow.

          Should be interesting. So that would mean people now have "pagerank" (well not PR but you know what I mean. Its a way of marking people as authoritative) ?
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          • Profile picture of the author bgmacaw
            Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

            At about 2:27 in th evideo this is mentioned and apparently what they are saying is that similar to backlinks from sites its not so much the amount of people that follow or fan you but the "quality" of the the fan or follow.
            That's why I think a lot of it is a smokescreen. The last thing they want is a bunch of people going out creating a huge number of Facebook and Twitter accounts to help them rank. However, this is exactly what's going to happen if it's clear that they're seriously using Facebook links and Twitter re-tweets to affect ranking.

            Remember about 3-4 years ago when companies were buying and selling blog posts for PR? I predict the same thing happening here. For example, if you have 100 Facebook friends you might get $5 for a wall post but if you have 1000 friends you can get $50+ for a wall post.

            I can hear the WSO wheels turning now...
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            • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
              Originally Posted by bgmacaw View Post

              That's why I think a lot of it is a smokescreen. The last thing they want is a bunch of people going out creating a huge number of Facebook and Twitter accounts to help them rank.
              But thats what they are saying they will NOT do. In other words they won't just look at your numbers but who you are being followed by so its alot like picking authority sites assigning them a PR and allowing that to flow out. Something they already do with websites and pagerank but just now potentially applied to profiles rather than just the page.

              We already know some of it is NOT smokescreen. real time results do come in already on some search results bumping down old school results a spot or two. They are already reading meta data off forums and displaying ratings from sites. You can see it in some results NOW.

              I really don't have any doubt that the social graph is going to affect everything on the Net. Social features are here to stay and are being built into everything. the companies may come and go but the features will be around forever now.
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              • Profile picture of the author bgmacaw
                The 'smokescreen' is that they know how to apply the data well enough to accurately rank sites. They have enough trouble sorting things out with links.

                Think about this.

                Would you pay $495 per session to have your site/product mentioned by 100 different 'personal' blogs with matching Facebook wall mentions and Twitter mentions?

                This is what an advertising agency I've done some programming work for is offering their clients, mostly small to mid-sized corporations, right now. The blogs are well spread out among different hosting accounts and look quite legit. The Facebook and Twitter accounts have around 500-1000 followers each.

                Seeing these folks in action revealed to me that there's a whole 'nuther league of SEO beyond automated article submissions, blog comments and profile links.
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                • Profile picture of the author pjman
                  Originally Posted by bgmacaw View Post

                  Think about this.

                  Would you pay $495 per session to have your site/product mentioned by 100 different 'personal' blogs with matching Facebook wall mentions and Twitter mentions?
                  Hell ya! Got a phone number, link, email for them? I'm in. What a package.
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  • Profile picture of the author Senesoft
    Excellent thread, a Facebook search engine is an interesting concept.
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  • Profile picture of the author va_mom
    This is a great, great news for me. I love doing social networking for me and my clients as well. :-)
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  • Profile picture of the author dshinn22
    Does anyone use SWOM, If so what do you think of it?
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    • Profile picture of the author maryparker
      One big change in social networking sites like Facebook is that we'll all watch the clock. So many people signed up on Facebook in the past 12 to 24 months, for example, that the newness of hte network kept a lot of them on it for hours at a time. That will change in 2011 as the novelty wears off and we reconsider the usefulness of two or three hours per day spent on a social network. Anyone who operates online and can simplify processes will win big.
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  • Profile picture of the author b0n4r
    Social networking keeps getting bigger and bigger. It may one day even be bigger than Google.
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  • Profile picture of the author iresh
    wow, That sounds great, i love social networking specially face book, Magritte of my traffic are coming from there
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