Which is better? Slow or 10k

aaron_nimocks

13 years ago

I've seen better results if you build slowly.

But it wont hurt you in any if you get 10k links.

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rikkib51 13 years ago

Originally Posted by aaron_nimocks

I've seen better results if you build slowly.

But it wont hurt you in any if you get 10k links.

Hey,

What do you mean in terms of better results? More traffic? Higher SE rank?

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- aaron_nimocks 13 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by rikkib51
  
  Hey,
  
  What do you mean in terms of better results? More traffic? Higher SE rank?
  
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  Well I started 2 of the exact same sites (at different times).
  
  The first one I built links right away and quick. Eventually I started getting search engine traffic but it took awhile.
  
  The second one I waited a month before building links and when I did I did it slow. I got to the point of getting decent search engine traffic faster this way.
  
  Both sites targeted same keywords and contained the same stuff just different articles. Only thing different was linking strategy.
  
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Happy_Balance

13 years ago

Originally Posted by rikkib51

Hi All,
...so does that mean that these 10k back link services bad?...

If it looks like Spam, and smells like Spam, then-in reality-what is it that you will be paying money for? :p

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rikkib51

13 years ago

Originally Posted by aaron_nimocks

Well I started 2 of the exact same sites (at different times).

The first one I built links right away and quick. Eventually I started getting search engine traffic but it took awhile.

The second one I waited a month before building links and when I did I did it slow. I got to the point of getting decent search engine traffic faster this way.

Both sites targeted same keywords and contained the same stuff just different articles. Only thing different was linking strategy.

How long did it take you to start getting decent traffic with the quick linking way? and how much traffic was coming in daily? What spot was your website sitting in search engines?

My keyword has very little competition 1mil. "kitchen remodeling idea"

Originally Posted by Happy_Balance

If it looks like Spam, and smells like Spam, then-in reality-what is it that you will be paying money for? :p

Yeah it does sound spammy, but the reviews seems to be really good for such service. Have a look at the thread here.

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CDarklock

13 years ago

Originally Posted by rikkib51

Yeah it does sound spammy, but the reviews seems to be really good for such service.

Okay, just to make a quick point here.

If you're looking at a bank robbing service, and your friend says "it's illegal to rob banks," how does that change if there are a lot of great reviews from bank robbers?

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coolseo

13 years ago

Originally Posted by CDarklock

Okay, just to make a quick point here.

If you're looking at a bank robbing service, and your friend says "it's illegal to rob banks," how does that change if there are a lot of great reviews from bank robbers?

hey buddy cool explanation

Theres no hard and fast rule for the speed of link building, as it depends on more than one factor like the age of domain, niche, type of links etc...thus in your case 10k of spam links may or may not harm but will not do any good either.

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82ana

13 years ago

Originally Posted by CDarklock

Okay, just to make a quick point here.

If you're looking at a bank robbing service, and your friend says "it's illegal to rob banks," how does that change if there are a lot of great reviews from bank robbers?

Second that.

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Happy_Balance 13 years ago

Originally Posted by rikkib51

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Yeah it does sound spammy, but the reviews seems to be really good for such service. Have a look at the thread here.

I looked and don't want to bash another members offer in public. If it works for some people that is great...
By definition: You are considering paying money to add to to gross amount of Spam links already on the internet.
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xboxps3wow 13 years ago

Originally Posted by Happy_Balance

If it looks like Spam, and smells like Spam, then-in reality-what is it that you will be paying money for? :p

For ham?
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Andyhenry

13 years ago

Originally Posted by Happy_Balance

If it looks like Spam, and smells like Spam, then-in reality-what is it that you will be paying money for? :p

That doesn't make sense.

Having Oprah mention your site would get you a LOT of links and traffic - is that spam?

Lots of links isn't bad.

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Danny Cutts

13 years ago

Originally Posted by Andyhenry

That doesn't make sense.

Having Oprah mention your site would get you a LOT of links and traffic - is that spam?

Lots of links isn't bad.

yeah but the links will be from different sources not just profile links or blog comments...

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Barry Unruh

13 years ago

Originally Posted by Danny Cutts

yeah but the links will be from different sources not just profile links or blog comments...

We have a winner!!!

If a backlinking service was going to give you a wide variety of sources of links, just like content going viral, then getting links fast is a great thing.

To suddenly go from having 20 links to having 5,000 profile links may not get you de-indexed, it may eventually help you climb the SERP's, but it may just as well trigger a penalty for trying to manipulate Google's results.

The 5,000 profile links might be OK if you were in the same time producing a ton of blog comments, video links, Web 2.0 links, etc.

Take a look at the graphic on this page, it gives you a really cool linking strategy which not only protects your site, but also builds a funnel towards your site.

Mega Net SEO | KeywordMarketingPro - Professional SEO Services

(DISCLAIMER: I am not an affiliate of this program but I am loosely associated by having created content for the site owner. I just like the graphic they created and the strategy behind it. )

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TimG

13 years ago

Originally Posted by Barry Unruh

We have a winner!!!

If a backlinking service was going to give you a wide variety of sources of links, just like content going viral, then getting links fast is a great thing.

To suddenly go from having 20 links to having 5,000 profile links may not get you de-indexed, it may eventually help you climb the SERP's, but it may just as well trigger a penalty for trying to manipulate Google's results.

The 5,000 profile links might be OK if you were in the same time producing a ton of blog comments, video links, Web 2.0 links, etc.

Take a look at the graphic on this page, it gives you a really cool linking strategy which not only protects your site, but also builds a funnel towards your site.

Mega Net SEO | KeywordMarketingPro - Professional SEO Services

(DISCLAIMER: I am not an affiliate of this program but I am loosely associated by having created content for the site owner. I just like the graphic they created and the strategy behind it. )

Barry

Barry,
Great diagram which shows a really good breakdown of the system they use. I like it for various reasons but the linking structure is particularly impressive. Do you know of any websites that have implemented their services?

Respectfully,
Tim

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Happy_Balance 13 years ago

Originally Posted by Andyhenry

That doesn't make sense.

Having Oprah mention your site would get you a LOT of links and traffic - is that spam?

Lots of links isn't bad.

Hi Andyhenry,
We are not talking about the same thing, so your comment, also, doesn't make sense to me. :p

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Danny Cutts

13 years ago

I slung a tonne of links at a site and then I got a google slap.... slow and steady is good :-)

Danny

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rikkib51 13 years ago

Originally Posted by Danny Cutts

I slung a tonne of links at a site and then I got a google slap.... slow and steady is good :-)

Danny

Thanks Danny.

What about building a small amount a day say.. 100? Is that too much?
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Danny Cutts

13 years ago

Who is to say its too much?

There are no hard fast rules... you may build 100 a day but google may only crawl 10 of them today and 10 tomorrow... so those link wont show up all 100 in one day.

I see it that a human can manually build 10 links an hour say and if they worked full time thats 8 hours a day thats 80 links... I try and keep it natural.

I use to use bots and software to create links the best way is just to find someone that will work for little money to do it manually.

But thats only my opinion... :-)

One thing though... if the site is established ie more than a year old getting 10K links might be goood.... but a new site getting 10K links can only look spammy :-)

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Colin Palfrey

13 years ago

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aduttonater 13 years ago

I usually post my back links slowly. This gives them time to optimize in search engines such as Google and Yahoo.

For ex. I am big in the Landscaping Niche in my city. I've managed to build a few websites, but one blog I've produced almost 40 posts on. I've been able to back link some of these posts together, but never down the same path. I never back link the same link twice.

I've even gone as far as stepping out of boundaries and back linking a few ads thats a posted from Craigslist or Backpage back to my blog.
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Danny Cutts

13 years ago

What service are we looking at? is it that makebacklinks service?

Danny

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mgpweb

13 years ago

Its best to do link building manually. For proper SEO you have to have quality links (meaning your links should be on sites closely related to your site). For example if you are selling perfume and you link your site to a car site, then this is not a quality link. By doing the link building manually you can be sure of where your links will be.

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Happy_Balance

13 years ago

Originally Posted by mgpweb

...For proper SEO you have to have quality links...

Good point, IMO, mgpweb.

Originally Posted by rikkib51

...Or is there very little difference?...

Your personal standards make a huge difference for the rest of your life.

FYI:
Here is an article from Techcrunch...
Social Today Feels Like Search A Decade Ago: Lots Of Noise And Lots Of Spam*
...which backs up and matches my opinions re: 'spammy-type' mass link building and other garbage on today's web.

*Even if none of the 10k links are on social networks it is still spam (period)

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Colin Palfrey

13 years ago

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Happy_Balance

13 years ago

^^^
Hi Colin,

While I totally agree with your clause...
OK

...I was referring to whether or not it worked.
The perception of working fuels "Spam-mania", but is 'working' defined as short, medium, or long-term?

...Other than anything else, that is another Warrior's WSO, and discrediting it without buying it first could get you the size 15 in the read LOL...

1) I did try to avoid bashing...

Originally Posted by Happy_Balance

I looked and don't want to bash another members offer in public. If it works for some people that is great...

By definition: You are considering paying money to add to to gross amount of Spam links already on the internet.

...avoid bashing another members offer and still have an honest discussion about the topic.

2) ...could get you the size 15 in the read LOL...

I'm not sure what you are saying...

Are you implying I could get banned from this forum for honestly saying "Spam is garbage and there is way too much of it on the net?"

3) I'll stand by this content here:
@TechCrunch

....Hence I stuck to its effectiveness and not its morality...
I understand, Happy New Year to you.

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Colin Palfrey

13 years ago

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rikkib51

13 years ago

Originally Posted by Barry Unruh

We have a winner!!!

If a backlinking service was going to give you a wide variety of sources of links, just like content going viral, then getting links fast is a great thing.

To suddenly go from having 20 links to having 5,000 profile links may not get you de-indexed, it may eventually help you climb the SERP's, but it may just as well trigger a penalty for trying to manipulate Google's results.

The 5,000 profile links might be OK if you were in the same time producing a ton of blog comments, video links, Web 2.0 links, etc.

Take a look at the graphic on this page, it gives you a really cool linking strategy which not only protects your site, but also builds a funnel towards your site.

Mega Net SEO | KeywordMarketingPro - Professional SEO Services

(DISCLAIMER: I am not an affiliate of this program but I am loosely associated by having created content for the site owner. I just like the graphic they created and the strategy behind it. )

Barry

Very nice diagram I really agree with you.

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Overall though...

Slower link building seems to be what everyone is suggesting here and that is what I might do instead of buying the 10k pack. Although it is slower, it may pay of in the long run.

This website is only to test and see if it makes any money out of adsense

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Danny Cutts

13 years ago

Why dont you just buy some hours from someone...I have outsourcers working for $3 an hour cant get much more natural than that.... will be more expensive but the site will have better foundations and you dont risk getting flagged :-)

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rikkib51

13 years ago

Originally Posted by Danny Cutts

Why dont you just buy some hours from someone...I have outsourcers working for $3 an hour cant get much more natural than that.... will be more expensive but the site will have better foundations and you dont risk getting flagged :-)

Where do you outsource it from?

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Danny Cutts

13 years ago

odesk :-) :-) :-)

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mlord10

13 years ago

I would suggest a consistent link-building structure, regardless of what your numbers are. Consistent content and consistent link-building are two crucial strategies when it comes to SEO.

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