need some stats for micro niches

13 years ago

.10 a click? Go after better paying keywords that pay $1 and up, that's the secret. Get 10 clicks at .10 for $1 when 10 clicks at $1 gets you $10, big difference in money and time. You will get an avg of 1-2% CTR on micro niche blogs. $2/day is very attainable and not difficult to do. It all comes down to keyword research, then rinse and repeat, and scale it up..

I currently have 5 different templates of micro niche blogs that I'm testing, I've tried everything from original content to autoblogs.

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ttcbird

13 years ago

Originally Posted by kiloh

.10 a click? Go after better paying keywords that pay $1 and up, that's the secret. Get 10 clicks at .10 for $1 when 10 clicks at $1 gets you $10, big difference in money and time. You will get an avg of 1-2% CTR on micro niche blogs. $2/day is very attainable and not difficult to do. It all comes down to keyword research, then rinse and repeat, and scale it up..

I currently have 5 different templates of micro niche blogs that I'm testing, I've tried everything from original content to autoblogs.

Thanks for the info, I guess my biggest problems is finding the "micro" niche inside a niche. I have gone to store and looked at magazines. i just dont know where to start.

Do you have any tips on finding micro niches?

I'm also considering buying micro niche finder. i dont really have $100 to drop, so i'm trying to research that and see if it's worth it. I tried market samurai's free trial but i didn't like it that much.

I know how to research keywords by hand using google and such.

One last question, How do you get your traffic if your using $1+ keywords? Wouldn't the competition be higher?

Thanks,

Travis

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myob 13 years ago

Try Wordtracker. They have a free trial version, and also their free newsletter and Wordtracker Academy will provide you with some excellent tips and training.
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- ttcbird 13 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by myob
  
  Try Wordtracker. They have a free trial version, and also their free newsletter will provide you with some excellent tips.
  
  Ok thanks ill look into that.
  
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  Michael Shook 13 years ago
  
  Micor Niche Finder is an excellent tool. But Micro Niche is its name, that is not what it does. What it does is query the google keyword tool and brings you back the results.
  
  You can find a lot of really excelletn keywords with it, I use it often, almost everyday, but it is not going to "only" bring you back micro niche keywords.
  
  Micro niche is just a phrase that somebody made up to denote a smaller demographically targeted group of people within a larger group.
  
  The keywords aren't going to be any different, but MNF sure makes it handy to help find them. It is a really excellent keyword tool.
  
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DMCAPROS

13 years ago

Go with better keyowords, lots more potential to make more money!

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Keithsco

13 years ago

If your doing adsense then your keyword research needs to be REAL good.

Use ONLY exact match when using googles keyword tool. Knock 33% off it because the volume they show incorporates all their search partners as well (google the term "googles partner networks" for the list of them)

so

330,000 broad - 14,000 exact - divide by 3 = 4666 total

then -on new adsense accounts Google will pay extremely little until your account is aged by at least 3 - 6 months

Then for serps your going to need at least a 4 page site (1 content, 1 about me, one contact us, one privacy policy) and the content is going to need to be HIGHLY relevent, key word density less than 5% for the one you are wanting to rank for

For organic traffic be prepared to wait 1 - 4/5 months tio get your site tot the top -then even then if you are really good you will need thousands of RELEVENT backlinks, have the keyword in the domain, the onpage seo done properly (assuming wordpress template with all the plugins) google analytics set up etc

Microniche finder is best for this type of work but, seriously, my 2 cents says it is a lot of work for a long wait and their is no guarantee google wont seo slap you

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ttcbird

13 years ago

Originally Posted by Keithsco

If your doing adsense then your keyword research needs to be REAL good.

Use ONLY exact match when using googles keyword tool. Knock 33% off it because the volume they show incorporates all their search partners as well (google the term "googles partner networks" for the list of them)

so

330,000 broad - 14,000 exact - divide by 3 = 4666 total

then -on new adsense accounts Google will pay extremely little until your account is aged by at least 3 - 6 months

Then for serps your going to need at least a 4 page site (1 content, 1 about me, one contact us, one privacy policy) and the content is going to need to be HIGHLY relevent, key word density less than 5% for the one you are wanting to rank for

For organic traffic be prepared to wait 1 - 4/5 months tio get your site tot the top -then even then if you are really good you will need thousands of RELEVENT backlinks, have the keyword in the domain, the onpage seo done properly (assuming wordpress template with all the plugins) google analytics set up etc

Microniche finder is best for this type of work but, seriously, my 2 cents says it is a lot of work for a long wait and their is no guarantee google wont seo slap you

So your saying its not worth blogging to make money from ppc? Aren't micro niches easier to rank higher?

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Keithsco

13 years ago

Originally Posted by ttcbird

So your saying its not worth blogging to make money from ppc? Aren't micro niches easier to rank higher?

No I am not saying that at all.

key words are what you are ranking for not micro niches

a niche is dogs
a more refined search term is "dog training" = a sub niche
a sub niche of that might be "dog training inside"
a micro niche of that might be 'stop dogs barking inside"

so you are obviously going to be looking at how many searches you get for that term a month

what I was referring to before - and I might have got it a bit wrong - is you need to take googles keyword figures when using the google keyword tool and use exact match for the search volume and knock a third off to get a more accurate picture of ACTUAL search volume because there is no point doing all the work for any term that does not have enough search volume to get the clicks you need to make it all worth your time and effort

hope this helps clarify my earlier post

the previous poster is correct

find the top 3 or 4 sites for your search term, analyze what they have by way of backlinks and seo and beat it and you should beat them

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ttcbird

13 years ago

Originally Posted by Keithsco

No I am not saying that at all.

key words are what you are ranking for not micro niches

a niche is dogs
a more refined search term is "dog training" = a sub niche
a sub niche of that might be "dog training inside"
a micro niche of that might be 'stop dogs barking inside"

so you are obviously going to be looking at how many searches you get for that term a month

what I was referring to before - and I might have got it a bit wrong - is you need to take googles keyword figures when using the google keyword tool and use exact match for the search volume and knock a third off to get a more accurate picture of ACTUAL search volume because there is no point doing all the work for any term that does not have enough search volume to get the clicks you need to make it all worth your time and effort

hope this helps clarify my earlier post

the previous poster is correct

find the top 3 or 4 sites for your search term, analyze what they have by way of backlinks and seo and beat it and you should beat them

I wasn't saying your wrong, i respect your opinion and those of all i think we just misunderstood each other, and im very thankful for your input. I'm taking everyones advice and turning it into my own plan. I dont want all the same answers from everyone otherwise i couldn't take little tips from every and create my own plan.

I'm thankful you took the time and effort to help me out.

Travis

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Nithiyaah

13 years ago

A very good discussion. I agree with what kiloh have mentioned here. Don't think that only high paying keywords do have a tough competition. If you're not taking advantage on this, definitely someone else going to take on it. Moreover, attaining $2.00 per day is not hard but achievable. So, carry on with your plan. However, to find the relevant good keywords, I'l recommend WordTracker and why don't you give a try about it & share your experience with us here...

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ttcbird

13 years ago

Originally Posted by Nithiyaah

A very good discussion. I agree with what kiloh have mentioned here. Don't think that only high paying keywords do have a tough competition. If you're not taking advantage on this, definitely someone else going to take on it. Moreover, attaining $2.00 per day is not hard but achievable. So, carry on with your plan. However, to find the relevant good keywords, I'l recommend WordTracker and why don't you give a try about it & share your experience with us here...

I actually found on here a link to keywordblueprint 2 for free its really good so far so i may test that one for a bit. I will share my experience on here, but right now im trying to write down a plan. ( I have learned you need a plan/blueprint when it comes to IM lol )

My thoughts at the moment are find a few good micro niches. Write some articles on one of the niches. Start a blog,squidoo, and hubpages. Look into social marketing for traffic like twittter facebook etc...

But these are just thoughts, Im trying to make a really well written plan with goals i can follow and push myself to do. Without that i wont get very far thats just the way i am.

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ttcbird 13 years ago

Another quick question that just came to mind... When you research micro niches do you research to see if there is content to write about them? Or do you not really worry about it?

I seem to be finding decent niches, but then i sit there and think how could i write about that. Am i just making excuses not to choose that niche or is that something i should be looking into?

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JoshuaG

13 years ago

If your doing adsense then your keyword research needs to be REAL good.

Use ONLY exact match when using googles keyword tool. Knock 33% off it because the volume they show incorporates all their search partners as well (google the term "googles partner networks" for the list of them)

so

330,000 broad - 14,000 exact - divide by 3 = 4666 total

then -on new adsense accounts Google will pay extremely little until your account is aged by at least 3 - 6 months

Then for serps your going to need at least a 4 page site (1 content, 1 about me, one contact us, one privacy policy) and the content is going to need to be HIGHLY relevent, key word density less than 5% for the one you are wanting to rank for

For organic traffic be prepared to wait 1 - 4/5 months tio get your site tot the top -then even then if you are really good you will need thousands of RELEVENT backlinks, have the keyword in the domain, the onpage seo done properly (assuming wordpress template with all the plugins) google analytics set up etc

Microniche finder is best for this type of work but, seriously, my 2 cents says it is a lot of work for a long wait and their is no guarantee google wont seo slap you

This person doesn't know what they are talking about.
Don't listen to them.

Exact match is irrelevant. It doesn't matter how many competitors you have, all that matters in the strength of those competitors.

I've never seen any documented proof that adsense pays you more the longer you have an account.

You do no need thousands of relevant backlinks for a given keyword. You only need more then your competitors, and even then, different links have different values.

Its not alot of work to build adsense sites, its actually pretty easy and as long as you build a relevant site and play by the rules the chances of being google slapped are pretty slim.

Tons of people make money from micro niche sites. Anyone telling you its a waste of time is wasting your time.

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ttcbird

13 years ago

Originally Posted by JoshuaG

This person doesn't know what they are talking about.
Don't listen to them.

Exact match is irrelevant. It doesn't matter how many competitors you have, all that matters in the strength of those competitors.

I've never seen any documented proof that adsense pays you more the longer you have an account.

You do no need thousands of relevant backlinks for a given keyword. You only need more then your competitors, and even then, different links have different values.

Its not alot of work to build adsense sites, its actually pretty easy and as long as you build a relevant site and play by the rules the chances of being google slapped are pretty slim.

Tons of people make money from micro niche sites. Anyone telling you its a waste of time is wasting your time.

Thanks,

i didn't pay too much attention to that post anyways. If im looking for help on something why would i want advice from a devils advocate, BUT he does have the right to his own opinion so i don't care, i just don't have to take everyones advice.

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Keithsco 13 years ago

Originally Posted by ttcbird

Thanks,

i didn't pay too much attention to that post anyways.

thats great. im glad because apparently I don't know what I am on about

man, I never said I am an authority on it. what I posted is what I learned from my own experience. For me seo is a long hard road and always will be and if anyone is saying its not then perhaps they would like to prove that.

Why would I bother to do all that work when I can get instant traffic using ppv, cpv, ppc, media buys or CL. SEO for me is the LONG way. I never said it didnt work and never meant to sound as though I was playing devils advocate

sorry if my remarks upset anyone
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- ttcbird 13 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by Keithsco
  
  Why would I bother to do all that work when I can get instant traffic using ppv, cpv, ppc, media buys or CL. SEO for me is the LONG way.
  
  I can't use paid traffic to make money from PPC (adsense) I wouldn't make any money. I would actually end up loosing money. I'm trying to direct traffic to my micro niche blog for free and have them click on the PPC. Micro niche blogs are easier to rank in SEO because you look for a longtail keyword with less competition and probably less search but your targeting those few searches. If i was promoting a broad niche i would use PPC to get traffic because it is easier.
  
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Keithsco 13 years ago

Originally Posted by JoshuaG

This person doesn't know what they are talking about.
Don't listen to them.

Anyone telling you its a waste of time is wasting your time.

Ok. . so I know nothing about it. great. Np

I never said it was a waste of time . . thanks . . np
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kiloh

13 years ago

Finding a niche within a niche is pretty simple but you do need to use some sort of software like Market Samurai. I can't really give out my personal method, however I can tell you that if you take some time to jot down at least 100 niches or even words, you can break that down to 800 new words including long tail keywords. Once you find 2-3 good keywords with low competition, I break it down even more to find the niche within a niche, leaving me with about 10 keywords total, all related to the same topic, then I just throw up relative content. Now my main target is to hit the seed keyword, but I sprinkle all my articles with the 9 other long tail keywords so Google will rank me high for all 10 keywords, using less articles.

I have a question for all the people who use Google Adwords for research, are you trying to do a PPC campaign or do you use that just to see how many people search for the keywords? I only use it to see how many exact keywords are being searched monthly so I can target those keywords and get free organic traffic to my site without having to do much work. Work smarter not harder, plus you don't have to spend any money on a PPC campaign. On top of that, people are searching for you and they are generally going to buy or click your adsense since they want the info.

As far as researching for content on a certain niche, if you have no idea about your niche, then you might want to look to see if there is content on it and study up. All depends on what type of content you are trying to create, useful information or fluff? If it's for my adsense blogs, fluff generally works well, but for my sites where I sell affiliate products, I use good relative content that can help the visitor.

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ttcbird

13 years ago

Originally Posted by kiloh

Finding a niche within a niche is pretty simple but you do need to use some sort of software like Market Samurai. I can't really give out my personal method, however I can tell you that if you take some time to jot down at least 100 niches or even words, you can break that down to 800 new words including long tail keywords. Once you find 2-3 good keywords with low competition, I break it down even more to find the niche within a niche, leaving me with about 10 keywords total, all related to the same topic, then I just throw up relative content. Now my main target is to hit the seed keyword, but I sprinkle all my articles with the 9 other long tail keywords so Google will rank me high for all 10 keywords, using less articles.

I have a question for all the people who use Google Adwords for research, are you trying to do a PPC campaign or do you use that just to see how many people search for the keywords? I only use it to see how many exact keywords are being searched monthly so I can target those keywords and get free organic traffic to my site without having to do much work. Work smarter not harder, plus you don't have to spend any money on a PPC campaign. On top of that, people are searching for you and they are generally going to buy or click your adsense since they want the info.

As far as researching for content on a certain niche, if you have no idea about your niche, then you might want to look to see if there is content on it and study up. All depends on what type of content you are trying to create, useful information or fluff? If it's for my adsense blogs, fluff generally works well, but for my sites where I sell affiliate products, I use good relative content that can help the visitor.

Thanks for your help, I'll be giving that a shot. How many articles do you typically do per a micro niche blog? I know if your focusing on one site then you do 100's to get plenty of quality backlinks, but if your doing a bunch of niche blogs how many do you normally do per site? Just to give me a goal. I know it may take more or less, but just a rough idea?

Thanks!

Travis

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ttcbird

13 years ago

Hey kiloh,

I know it depends on the amount of competition, but how many articles do you generally write per micro niche site?

Just want to plan, I found a niche and i have written 3 today during some free time.

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WealthWithin

13 years ago

so no one want's to share the numbers huh? LOL.

Be careful about all the 'theorists'. They are usually way off...
If you want to see results, find people who are practicing and follow them. (there aren't more than a few dozen of them who are willing to share the adsense knowledge freely on this forum..... surprising? yeah.)

From my experience,
1. The new Google keyword tool is pretty accurate. If ranked #1 you'll get about 25%-35% of monthly traffic.
2. A well optimized layout can give you a CTR around 8-20%. Stay away from high-paying, tech keywords - as the CTR will go below 1%.
tip: Start from a well known layout such as XFactor and tweak from there. There are many layouts which outperform the XFactor template.
3. If you aim for Estimated Avg. CPC of $1 in keyword tool, you will in reality get about $.30-$.50 CPC in bank.
4. Number of links it takes to rank #1 depends on your Top 10 competition. Testing is the way to find out.

I hope some others will share some actual numbers too.

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ttcbird

13 years ago

Originally Posted by WealthWithin

so no one want's to share the numbers huh? LOL.

Be careful about all the 'theorists'. They are usually way off...
If you want to see results, find people who are practicing and follow them. (there aren't more than a few dozen of them who are willing to share the adsense knowledge freely on this forum..... surprising? yeah.)

From my experience,
1. The new Google keyword tool is pretty accurate. If ranked #1 you'll get about 25%-35% of monthly traffic.
2. A well optimized layout can give you a CTR around 8-20%. Stay away from high-paying, tech keywords - as the CTR will go below 1%.
tip: Start from a well known layout such as XFactor and tweak from there. There are many layouts which outperform the XFactor template.
3. If you aim for Estimated Avg. CPC of $1 in keyword tool, you will in reality get about $.30-$.50 CPC in bank.
4. Number of links it takes to rank #1 depends on your Top 10 competition. Testing is the way to find out.

I hope some others will share some actual numbers too.

Hey,

Thanks so much, I'm going to write that down. I'm not to familiar withadsense I don't know why I never put it on my sites when I was getting traffic. Now I want to just focus on a bunch of micro niche sites.

Is xfactor a website template? Or wordpress?

Thanks for the numbers I'm just trying to plan and set goals.

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Daveyz

13 years ago

Originally Posted by ttcbird

Hey guys im starting to think about making minisite "blogs" with micro niches to make some extra money.

My goal right now is to make $2.00 a day from a blog. It's not much but i play on duplicating the process when i figure out how to get consistent traffic.

Here is my question to you:

How many visitors a day do i need to make $2.00 a day. Lets say at .10 a Click using adsense. My guess would be 200? and 10% would click on the ads? I'll also have one affiliate product on there as well but I'm targeting ppc as of now.

Basically im doing this to test out different niches and learn how to write articles well and how to get traffic to a site consistently.

Thanks in advance,

Travis

For the amount of effort you are putting in, i would urge you to consider choosing a higher CPC keyword...

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ttcbird 13 years ago

Originally Posted by Daveyz

For the amount of effort you are putting in, i would urge you to consider choosing a higher CPC keyword...

Thanks,

I agree with you, that's why I chose a $3 cpc
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need some stats for micro niches

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