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13 years ago

This is perfect way of link building and obviously social bookmarking, videos and others also are part of the wheel.

Many people including me for some time, think that all links should point to your main money site, which is not true.

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webjedi

13 years ago

Thanks Gani, Im worried it is "too logical" and the big G will see it and penalize.
it's really a basic diagram.. I think I am wondering about the red arrows, and if they should be linking to home like this.

One view was to have the central hub and one random spoke going to money site and that's all..... of course.. I want to gather as much opinion and feedback on this as I can before I implement the wheel design.

Wj

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iAmNameLess

13 years ago

You need to make that a bit more complex!

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doobins

13 years ago

I hate the complexity of some of these backlinking schemes!!! I've paid for such things but never made these things myself... I'm more of an old fashioned guy I guess... Build backlinks with anchor text from various places pointing to my website! That's it! Lol!

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iAmNameLess

13 years ago

Originally Posted by sc^tt

I hate the complexity of some of these backlinking schemes!!! I've paid for such things but never made these things myself... I'm more of an old fashioned guy I guess... Build backlinks with anchor text from various places pointing to my website! That's it! Lol!

Why the new account?

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webjedi

13 years ago

Originally Posted by doobins

I hate the complexity of some of these backlinking schemes!!! I've paid for such things but never made these things myself... I'm more of an old fashioned guy I guess... Build backlinks with anchor text from various places pointing to my website! That's it! Lol!

My competition has 88K links on yahoo and 1k backlinks on G. I dont want to spent the time to do it the 'manual' way. I want to replicate this about 50 times this year

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scott g

13 years ago

Originally Posted by webjedi

My competition has 88K links on yahoo and 1k backlinks on G. I dont want to spent the time to do it the 'manual' way. I want to replicate this about 50 times this year

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You only SEE 1k backlinks in Google. If Yahoo! shows 88k, then Google probably ACTUALLY has I would think at least 50k... But you would need access to that guys Google Webmaster Tools

Google Search --> Link:Mysite = 21
Google Webmaster Tools for Mysite = 1640
Yahoo! Site Explorer for Mysite = 2053

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webjedi

13 years ago

Originally Posted by scott g

You only SEE 1k backlinks in Google. If Yahoo! shows 88k, then Google probably ACTUALLY has I would think at least 50k... But you would need access to that guys Google Webmaster Tools

Google Search --> Link:Mysite = 21
Google Webmaster Tools for Mysite = 1640
Yahoo! Site Explorer for Mysite = 2053

Yeah excellent point.

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webjedi

13 years ago

Originally Posted by iAmNameLess

You need to make that a bit more complex!

Yes the successive generations are getting more complex (and from your statement I am ssuming you mean in the eyes of Google).

I agree, it's too logical. It's one little wheel, I have a diagram of three more attached, and then I was working on interlinking it in a way that if one blog goes down or is banned or if the micro site server throws in the towel then the whole structure would still work.

The one thing I am thinking about IamNameless, is if each microblog shoudl point to the money page (or deep money page). All day today scheming this I was thinking back and forth on the issue and I have decided yes each should.

Now I am conceiving a way to link each wheel together and appear natural.

WJ

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iAmNameLess

13 years ago

Originally Posted by webjedi

Yes the successive generations are getting more complex (and from your statement I am ssuming you mean in the eyes of Google).

I agree, it's too logical. It's one little wheel, I have a diagram of three more attached, and then I was working on interlinking it in a way that if one blog goes down or is banned or if the micro site server throws in the towel then the whole structure would still work.

The one thing I am thinking about IamNameless, is if each microblog shoudl point to the money page (or deep money page). All day today scheming this I was thinking back and forth on the issue and I have decided yes each should.

Now I am conceiving a way to link each wheel together and appear natural.

WJ

Hmmm. I wouldn't point each blog to your main site. If you have 10 sites as part of the wheel, create it as a web. Only have about 3 pointing to your money site. The way I would do it, make sure squidoo and hub pages, then your other top property point to your main site. Have the others all linking together in a more random form. I would say a third of your link wheel properties should point to your main site!

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scott g

13 years ago

Originally Posted by scott g

You only SEE 1k backlinks in Google. If Yahoo! shows 88k, then Google probably ACTUALLY has I would think at least 50k... But you would need access to that guys Google Webmaster Tools

Google Search --> Link:Mysite = 21
Google Webmaster Tools for Mysite = 1640
Yahoo! Site Explorer for Mysite = 2053

Originally Posted by webjedi

Yeah excellent point.

I forgot to mention: These are real #'s for one of my sites.

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Capitalist_Pig

13 years ago

I still find it hard to believe Google with penalize for anything off-site.

What stops me from doing it to my competitor?

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scott g

13 years ago

Originally Posted by webjedi

Thanks Gani, Im worried it is "too logical" and the big G will see it and penalize.
it's really a basic diagram.. I think I am wondering about the red arrows, and if they should be linking to home like this.

One view was to have the central hub and one random spoke going to money site and that's all..... of course.. I want to gather as much opinion and feedback on this as I can before I implement the wheel design.

Wj

Personally, I think people make stuff up and try to over-complicate things... You want to look natural... Have backlinks point to other pages on your site than just the index.html/.php... And mix up the Anchor Text.

That's the extent I go through to diversify and haven't had any problems or been penalized for any site ever. So... Until I am... I'll keep doing it the simple way that works. MYTHS!

Originally Posted by Capitalist_Pig

I still find it hard to believe Google with penalize for anything off-site.

What stops me from doing it to my competitor?

Don't believe it at all... B/c this simply is not true! That means that anyone could bump their competitors sites out of the runnings... COMPLETELY unrealistic!

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webjedi 13 years ago

Originally Posted by scott g

You want to look natural... Have backlinks point to other pages on your site than just the index.html/.php... And mix up the Anchor Text.

With all the work that goes in to a wheel (at least for first timers like me) I would want to gleen as much linking power as I can.

With such time and effort involved, a small wheel like this gives me 5 links.
Imagine.. the big G may appreciate all the original content on the net, why penalize? From all the work, I should deserve a higher ranking as if it had been bestowed naturally. It's the same work and same end result, I am just creating the link opportunity not asking or dealing another site for the same link.

I have had thoughts of skipping a link to the money site every other spoke on the wheel, but of course it's too patterned and again I don't want to loose any links from this work, so I will alternate deep pages and home page around the wheel but randomly.

That will give me the linking I want and add a little random into the wheel.

wj
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iAmNameLess

13 years ago

Originally Posted by scott g

Don't believe it at all... B/c this simply is not true! That means that anyone could bump their competitors sites out of the runnings... COMPLETELY unrealistic!

Right, and I agree with that, but I think there are ways of doing things that get a little less power than others. So, that is why I said to make it a bit more complex. I don't think it will do anything to harm rankings at all but when people think of penalties, I think it is more realistic to assume that they just cut some of the power away from the techniques that may look spammy.

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scott g

13 years ago

Originally Posted by iAmNameLess

Right, and I agree with that, but I think there are ways of doing things that get a little less power than others. So, that is why I said to make it a bit more complex. I don't think it will do anything to harm rankings at all but when people think of penalties, I think it is more realistic to assume that they just cut some of the power away from the techniques that may look spammy.

Good post... Well put!

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nettech

13 years ago

I could be wrong but the last 'overall' link wheel looks it leaves a massive footprint.

My way of doing this (I could be wrong) would be to have your 'blogs' or web properties such as Squidoo, HUbpages, EZA pointing to your money site and then each of these having a ton of links pointing into them. None of these blogs would interlink to one another. You may not have the power that you have with your wheel but at least you don't leave a huge footprint.

What I have tried recently does work but I find it too risky to be honest. It has worked for me. I just use a service like UAW or something but you have to be careful when developing your resource boxes though.

Hope it all works out!

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webjedi 13 years ago

Originally Posted by nettech

I could be wrong but the last 'overall' link wheel looks it leaves a massive footprint.

The last couple of posts have been super helpful and insightful.

I agree on the footprint but have two comments on that.
Remember these are simplistic diagrams and everything is .. standardized in size, color. Not representative at all. Think that each spoke has a varying audience base, IP range, age, traffic count and geophysical location. The next one it links to is a completely different site/blog/topic (although themed). I DO get and and working in your point to my plan though

The second response is that I can go in and add/remove links at any time. I can add nodes and offshoots, eventually it will look like a fractal diagram! (Actually the next few tiers (I think the better term is 'link layers')) in this diagram get really messy.

I am sticking with constructing each 'core' wheel, letting them age and making them look lived in (devlope profile/ friends lists/comments etc). When a wheel is done I will link it to the money page.

I should do a test on each wheel.. hmmm

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webjedi

13 years ago

So I have a BRAND new domain, no age.
In a market with 214,000,000 competitors for my keywords.

After 2 months of moderate work (I have been badly busy and lazy both, is that an oxymoron?) I have build 1 fully funcitoning linkwheel and one .. unlinked wheel that are more like satelite sites at this point.

I have finally made my debut on Bing and Yahoo at position 78 for a very tough keyword.

With SO MANY competitors (I am right above a big house listing, I think it's hilarious) I feel that I can amp up my game and hit the first page.

Foolhardy?

wj

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scott g

13 years ago

Originally Posted by webjedi

So I have a BRAND new domain, no age.
In a market with 214,000,000 competitors for my keywords.

After 2 months of moderate work (I have been badly busy and lazy both, is that an oxymoron?) I have build 1 fully funcitoning linkwheel and one .. unlinked wheel that are more like satelite sites at this point.

I have finally made my debut on Bing and Yahoo at position 78 for a very tough keyword.

With SO MANY competitors (I am right above a big house listing, I think it's hilarious) I feel that I can amp up my game and hit the first page.

Foolhardy?

wj

I say screw the linkwheels and start backlinking directly to your site using the proper anchor text in your links.

You're rankings will increase much faster. As long as you build backlinks that STICK, you don't have to worry about Google dropping you back into the abyss... But of course you're going to be dancing for awhile.

In my honest opinion, linkwheels are a waste of time. Look more natural, unnatural - Who cares. Google doesn't. As long as you're not using bl@ck h@t, cloaked, hidden text, keyword stuffing bogus crap... A links a links a link...

TZ posted a great thread yesterday regarding NoDoFollow links and the passage of PR juice... Pay link relation no mind! You can figure that out for yourself!

CHEERS!

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iAmNameLess

13 years ago

Originally Posted by scott g

I say screw the linkwheels and start backlinking directly to your site using the proper anchor text in your links.

You're rankings will increase much faster. As long as you build backlinks that STICK, you don't have to worry about Google dropping you back into the abyss... But of course you're going to be dancing for awhile.

In my honest opinion, linkwheels are a waste of time. Look more natural, unnatural - Who cares. Google doesn't. As long as you're not using bl@ck h@t, cloaked, hidden text, keyword stuffing bogus crap... A links a links a link...

TZ posted a great thread yesterday regarding NoDoFollow links and the passage of PR juice... Pay link relation no mind! You can figure that out for yourself!

CHEERS!

I have a massive, powerful linkwheel that I just love... it definitely helps in my opinion. I would prefer to do that instead of thousands of links. I'm thinking about posting it soon.

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scott g

13 years ago

Originally Posted by iAmNameLess

I have a massive, powerful linkwheel that I just love... it definitely helps in my opinion. I would prefer to do that instead of thousands of links. I'm thinking about posting it soon.

Please do I would be very interested!

CHEERS!

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webjedi

13 years ago

Originally Posted by iAmNameLess

I have a massive, powerful linkwheel that I just love... it definitely helps in my opinion. I would prefer to do that instead of thousands of links. I'm thinking about posting it soon.

How massive is massive?
I would love to know about how many sites are going into 'one wheel'..

I am already seeing great solid ones precipitate out and will definitely become my monitizers in the future.

I am just learning by doing..

wj

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momo3

13 years ago

How much content do you put on the web 2.0 sites, and do you let it chill for a while before putting the link to your money page?

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webjedi 13 years ago

Originally Posted by momo3

How much content do you put on the web 2.0 sites, and do you let it chill for a while before putting the link to your money page?

You can totally tell what the site owners allow by looking around.
Usually I sign up and just write a short, hello, getting settled in blog.

I let it sit for a few days to a week for instant kicks from admins so I don't waste my time.

Then from the pool of sites that I have been allowed to live on.. I go in and customize and drop in a reference to home.

If they stick, then I drop an article in, adsense and link them all together.

Then I social book mark them, submit RSS and next I am going to mash all RSS into one and submit a whole wheel as one RSS.

The idea (correct me if this sounds whack) is that one update to any part of the wheel will get the entire wheel spidered every time.

I am doing 2 wheels differently right now and testing the effects.

wj
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oogyboogawa

13 years ago

I'm considering trying out link wheels myself. I actually made a post yesterday with a diagram of my link wheel plans - didn't get a lot of feedback though. My plan is fairly similar to yours except that I had some of my tier 1 links linking to other pages on my domain.

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mentor4u 13 years ago

well there are good ways of doing it and bad ways.
yes the footprint one has to be careful of

Michael Cambell has an excellant e book on his method
he has been using it for over 7 years.

i would post the ebook here but dont know how
Chad Kimball a long time warrior and expert in this
uses the same methods as Michael with great success
like my mama use to say the proof is in the puddin

and this can be done in 2011
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webjedi

13 years ago

Originally Posted by oogyboogawa

I'm considering trying out link wheels myself. I actually made a post yesterday with a diagram of my link wheel plans - didn't get a lot of feedback though. My plan is fairly similar to yours except that I had some of my tier 1 links linking to other pages on my domain.

That is the best BEST way to do it.

I however and on an SEO mission to prove to myself that I can contend with the big houses. Just to see if I can..

wj

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