400 000 Backlinks in one week to much?BS

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A client wanted his website to get to the first page off google for 2 high value high volume search terms.
His website has fairly bad onsite seo (so far) so I knew offsite seo was my main area of aproach.
Luxury bedding and swiss diamond pans.
His website is new i.e around 4 months old.
I keep reading about google punishing you for aggressive linking etc etc.
Often these posts are never based on FACT.
I knew to get 400 000 backlinks in one week I would need get them from multiple sources.
We all know that backlinks from multiple places seem more natural to google.
I also knew that google will rank you highly due to trust rank even more so then pagerank.So in order to build up trust I got 1000 edu and .govs linking back to me.
I started getting article directory backlinks etc etc etc.
These forms of backlinks take a while to build up.
I did 3 or 4 xrummerblasts ie
100k amied at luxury bedding
5x20x5k aimed at both terms.
250x2500 aimed at both terms
Other xrummer blasts.
2 lots of 350 high page rank socialbookmarks
10 000 blogposts
etc etc etc to make up the 400k
So far google has indexed maybe 1% of these backlinks
I am using a tool to ping all these backlinks.
I also have a script that runs on my blogs and every time a visitor sees my page it pings my backlinks.
What is the point of this post?
You read so much bs on what google sees as aggressive etc.
As long as your backlinks are from multiple sources.
As long as your backlinking is constant.
You will succeed.
I could end up in the sandbox but I know with the volume of backlinks I will come out of it even stronger.
I also know the google trust is there in my backlinks.
So the answer is simple "he with the most varied backlinks wins"
There is nothing in the post for me I just wanted to kill off some of the googlebot rumors.
I have multiple websites at number one against 100 million pages.
The number of pages I am competing against here are far lower but they are giants in the backlink world.
My clients website is 4 months old the competition is 14 years old.
He is currently 3 for luxury bedding
6 for luxurious bedding
5 for swiss diamond pans
All within 6 days
Cheers
Andrew
#400 #backlinks #muchbs #week
  • Profile picture of the author FastAutoProfits
    I would agree that the quality of back-links matter. However, in my opinion, doing the basics should not be over-looked. A website should focus on creating content and the back-links will come letter.
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  • Profile picture of the author angelguy
    How do i actually get up to 10
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  • Profile picture of the author User-Name
    Quality content is a must
    Having the search term in the domain name is a must.
    On site SEO is a must
    My clients website had none of this so it proves "He with the most varied backlinks wins"
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    • Profile picture of the author seniorsmithg
      Originally Posted by User-Name View Post

      Quality content is a must
      Having the search term in the domain name is a must.
      On site SEO is a must
      My clients website had none of this so it proves "He with the most varied backlinks wins"

      TRUE: This is a topic that has been beatin' to death. How many times have people spent hours creating quality/unique content, building site-maps, and implementing all the other on-page SEO tactics, only to find that they can't beat the most crappy pages that don't even match the key-phrase.

      I definitely find myself spending less and less time worrying about on-page SEO and quality content, and instead just focus on playing the Google game.
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  • Profile picture of the author trnz
    I am still a newbie at this business but learning fast. I'm still puzzled by some of the words used.
    This is a GREAT post and I want to understand it completely.
    Could some kind member please explain what this part of the post means?
    :confused:.


    Originally Posted by User-Name View Post


    in order to build up trust I got 1000 edu and .govs linking back to me.
    I started getting article directory backlinks etc etc etc.
    Cheers
    Andrew
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    • Profile picture of the author guest
      Originally Posted by trnz View Post

      I am still a newbie at this business but learning fast. I'm still puzzled by some of the words used.
      This is a GREAT post and I want to understand it completely.
      Could some kind member please explain what this part of the post means?
      :confused:.
      Which part don't you understand? :confused:

      in order to build up trust I got 1000 edu

      These are links from school and education sites - that end in ".edu". Some say that google trusts links from these sites more than a .com / .net / .info / etc

      and .govs linking back to me.

      These are links from goverment sites - with a ".gov" domain name - same as above - people say google likes links from these sites better.

      I started getting article directory backlinks etc etc etc.

      These are just backlinks from other sites - ".com" / ".net". They are rated by google based on the sites pagerank, and not on the domain extension.

      Hope that helps
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  • Profile picture of the author designtech44
    so do you plan to update this posting cause since the google dance has changed to every 36 days, it seems this is not working so well?
    please advise.
    dean
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    • Profile picture of the author robvegas626
      I've had success by building massive numbers of backlinks in a short amount of time, and in other cases it has hurt my rankings. I will say this: I think it's pretty much accepted that Google wants your links to look somewhat "natural." Maybe they can't tell whether your links are legitimate, or were done with software, but they can definitely tell how many unique visitors you are getting. And if you've had under 500 visitors, yet you have 400,000 back links, that definitely doesn't look legit!
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      • Profile picture of the author candoit2
        Originally Posted by robvegas626 View Post

        I've had success by building massive numbers of backlinks in a short amount of time, and in other cases it has hurt my rankings. I will say this: I think it's pretty much accepted that Google wants your links to look somewhat "natural." Maybe they can't tell whether your links are legitimate, or were done with software, but they can definitely tell how many unique visitors you are getting. And if you've had under 500 visitors, yet you have 400,000 back links, that definitely doesn't look legit!
        I bolded your comment in case some missed it. It was worth reading again IMO.

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      • Profile picture of the author Capitalist_Pig
        Originally Posted by robvegas626 View Post

        I've had success by building massive numbers of backlinks in a short amount of time, and in other cases it has hurt my rankings. I will say this: I think it's pretty much accepted that Google wants your links to look somewhat "natural." Maybe they can't tell whether your links are legitimate, or were done with software, but they can definitely tell how many unique visitors you are getting. And if you've had under 500 visitors, yet you have 400,000 back links, that definitely doesn't look legit!
        Got any proof for that? If you don't have Google services on your site, how exactly do you believe they can tell?
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  • Profile picture of the author User-Name
    My main strategy was to get massive backlinks and let google sort this out.
    I said to my client it will take 4 months for you to get to first page of google you might even get higher rankings.
    So I knew I could end up in the google sandbox but due to the massive number of backlinks hitting the website everyday I knew googlebot would eventually correct this.
    With all the backlinks in place it now gives me time to work on the onsite seo as I rise further up the ranks.
    So through testing I have proven as an established fact that people who quote "I am scared by to many backlinks in a short period of time" are not standing on firm ground.
    If your backlinks are varied then go for it.
    I would normally not be that aggressive with backlinks on my own web properties but in this instance time was on my side.
    My results are telling me to use the same tactic until google updates its algorithm.
    The only thing I would do differently is perhaps buy old domains and direct the backlinks through them at my main site.
    Simply because aged domains could take even more hammer backlink wise.
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  • Profile picture of the author espresso
    I have been meaning to try the old xrunner/spamming method to see if it works
    might try it on a new site at some point
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  • Profile picture of the author jackcanbera
    How is the SERPS doing now?
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  • Profile picture of the author jackcanbera
    Are they still where were you mentioned? Maybe even better?
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    • Profile picture of the author WillR
      Originally Posted by User-Name View Post

      I am using a tool to ping all these backlinks.
      The worst thing you can do is go and ping all your backlinks. It would look a lot more natural to Google if you let the search engine spiders find the links gradually over time.

      Originally Posted by User-Name View Post

      I have multiple websites at number one against 100 million pages.
      Against 100 million pages? Do you mean that Google tells you there are 100 million other search results for that phrase? That is NOT competition. That number represents any page on the Internet that has that keyword or key-phrase included at least once in the page content. They are not pages that are trying to optimize or rank for that keyword or key-phrase and thus they are no competition at all. Your real competition would be much much lower, probably much less than 1,000 sites depending on your keyword.

      Originally Posted by User-Name View Post

      You read so much bs on what google sees as aggressive etc.
      As long as your backlinks are from multiple sources.
      As long as your backlinking is constant.
      But you haven't proven this yet. Where are the sites listed right now? Until these sites are sitting at number 1 and staying there for a long period of time, then no, you haven't proven anything.

      Originally Posted by robvegas626 View Post

      Maybe they can't tell whether your links are legitimate, or were done with software, but they can definitely tell how many unique visitors you are getting. And if you've had under 500 visitors, yet you have 400,000 back links, that definitely doesn't look legit!
      Exactly. Building 400,000 links like this will only cause you trouble. Google likes things that look natural and they hate things that look spammy. A site that gets 400,000 links in a short period of time is definitely not natural - regardless of how spread out those links are.

      For this to look even remotely natural for Google, your site would need to be getting a whole lot of traffic. Google knows that in the real world people are NOT going to link to a site they have never visited. So for your site to have 400,000 links you would need to FIRST be getting thousands and thousands of visitors a day for that to happen naturally. And because you are not Google will know that these links are indeed manufactured.

      I have a spare bucket and spade if you want. You might need them as you are going to be in that sandbox for quite some time.
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      • Profile picture of the author iAmNameLess
        Originally Posted by WillR View Post



        Exactly. Building 400,000 links like this will only cause you trouble. Google likes things that look natural and they hate things that look spammy. A site that gets 400,000 links in a short period of time is definitely not natural - regardless of how spread out those links are.

        For this to look even remotely natural for Google, your site would need to be getting a whole lot of traffic. Google knows that in the real world people are NOT going to link to a site they have never visited. So for your site to have 400,000 links you would need to FIRST be getting thousands and thousands of visitors a day for that to happen. And because you are not Google will know that these links are indeed manufactured.

        I have a spare bucket and spade if you want. You might need them as you are going to be in that sandbox for quite some time.
        Yes... the mythical sandbox people create when they don't have the rankings they want, so it is no longer their fault or responsibility!

        You can send out 2 million back links and it will be fine. Why? Because whether you ping them all or not, google isn't going to index them all immediately... I have about 50,000 back links that have been done in the last 2 months, and they aren't all indexed.

        If you ping through an rss feed, you can expect only 10% of the links to be indexed.

        Point is, you aren't going to be hurt by getting back links, and it sends the wrong message to people who are new at this, and think they should take time and only build 10 back links a day.

        Before starting a flame war, I'd like to make it clear that I don't believe using software for your back links is the best idea. However, it IS effective. In my experience though, the best back links I have received are manual.

        There are more ways than just forum posts, profiles, and blog commenting. I would always suggest articles and press releases as well.
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      • Profile picture of the author Look4VGames
        Originally Posted by WillR View Post

        For this to look even remotely natural for Google, your site would need to be getting a whole lot of traffic. Google knows that in the real world people are NOT going to link to a site they have never visited. So for your site to have 400,000 links you would need to FIRST be getting thousands and thousands of visitors a day for that to happen. And because you are not Google will know that these links are indeed manufactured.

        I have a spare bucket and spade if you want. You might need them as you are going to be in that sandbox for quite some time.
        Hate to be the one who points everything out, but why do http://www.yoursite.com http://www.yourwebsite.com http://www.mysite.com do so well in the serps? Its because people dont know they are linking to them every day without ever visiting them. It happens, google knows it.
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    • It's not getting to page 1 that counts it's staying on page 1.

      This strategy works in the short term. One of the clients has a site and his competition started doing this -- massive profile links, they got to page 1 of Google for around 10 "money terms" and have stayed there for a couple of weeks.

      So, my clients asks me -- why don't we do that?? I said because Google will eventually flush this site down the toilet. We are focusing on adding massive amounts of content to his site along with many relevant backlinks (and some "spam" links as well -- the domain is aged). Building an authority site is what Google is looking for.

      Does a site with 10 indexed pages and 400,000 links look like a real authority site? Just as an example.

      Also, many of those xrumer links (60 - 80 percent) are going to get deleted over the next 3 - 6 months. What do you think that will do to the site rankings over time? Google no likey.

      I wonder what the site's bounce rate might be? If the bounce is low the site may fly under the radar for a while. But, when the next algo change comes...you're risking a big flush down the Google toilet.
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      • One last thing. To keep this site on page 1 -- I would suggest doing 2 things -- adding a crap load of content, and adding more relevant links to ALL pages. This may very likely "save" the site from massive drops in a few months.

        Cheers.
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  • Profile picture of the author User-Name
    Time Will Tell
    Currently 3 after 6 Days
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  • Profile picture of the author User-Name
    A lot more then xrummer blasts
    Link wheels, articles, almost every method I have used for years.
    Xrummer is just for a quick boost.
    My more competitive sites have far better on page seo with the keywords in the domain name etc etc.
    So if one backlink proccess is frowned apon the others are there in its place.
    Bad SEO strategy to rely on only one back link type.
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    • Why don't you tell you're client you'd like to work on their onpage SEO? It's only going to make them more money!! I tell my clients that onpage is really important...they don't truly believe me a lot of times...then I do the onpage and they start banking

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  • Profile picture of the author bravo75
    Wouldn't surprise me if your client got sandboxed.
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    WOW, #3, that's not bad......
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  • Profile picture of the author jasonthewebmaster
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    Originally Posted by User-Name View Post

    A client wanted his website to get to the first page off google for 2 high value high volume search terms.
    His website has fairly bad onsite seo (so far) so I knew offsite seo was my main area of aproach.
    Luxury bedding and swiss diamond pans.
    His website is new i.e around 4 months old.
    I keep reading about google punishing you for aggressive linking etc etc.
    Often these posts are never based on FACT.
    I knew to get 400 000 backlinks in one week I would need get them from multiple sources.
    We all know that backlinks from multiple places seem more natural to google.
    I also knew that google will rank you highly due to trust rank even more so then pagerank.So in order to build up trust I got 1000 edu and .govs linking back to me.
    I started getting article directory backlinks etc etc etc.
    These forms of backlinks take a while to build up.
    I did 3 or 4 xrummerblasts ie
    100k amied at luxury bedding
    5x20x5k aimed at both terms.
    250x2500 aimed at both terms
    Other xrummer blasts.
    2 lots of 350 high page rank socialbookmarks
    10 000 blogposts
    etc etc etc to make up the 400k
    So far google has indexed maybe 1% of these backlinks
    I am using a tool to ping all these backlinks.
    I also have a script that runs on my blogs and every time a visitor sees my page it pings my backlinks.
    What is the point of this post?
    You read so much bs on what google sees as aggressive etc.
    As long as your backlinks are from multiple sources.
    As long as your backlinking is constant.
    You will succeed.
    I could end up in the sandbox but I know with the volume of backlinks I will come out of it even stronger.
    I also know the google trust is there in my backlinks.
    So the answer is simple "he with the most varied backlinks wins"
    There is nothing in the post for me I just wanted to kill off some of the googlebot rumors.
    I have multiple websites at number one against 100 million pages.
    The number of pages I am competing against here are far lower but they are giants in the backlink world.
    My clients website is 4 months old the competition is 14 years old.
    He is currently 3 for luxury bedding
    6 for luxurious bedding
    5 for swiss diamond pans
    All within 6 days
    Cheers
    Andrew

    So you used XRumer for all these backlinks? Sounds awesome!
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  • Profile picture of the author User-Name
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    Some clients wont take the advice that there website needs a revamp.
    In his instance the seo is bad and also I imagine the conversions will be bad as it is not surfer friendly at all.
    I thought once he sees good traffic and sees low conversions then I would work on the conversions.
    I advised him.
    I have learn t over time advise then just act.
    On site seo is more important then the off site stuff.
    A friend once told me if someone wants there front lawn mowed you just mow there front lawn and don't worry about there back lawn.
    Same applies with S.E.O
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    • I guess. If I client won't listen to what I tell them, then I just might stand up, shake their hand and say..."good luck to you then".

      That will change their attitude in a hurry.

      But, I do understand your point. Different strategy for different clients.
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      • Outsourcing and software, bravo75. Or where you being sarcastic??
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        • Profile picture of the author bravo75
          No man, I was being serious. I can see 5000 or even 10000 in a week but 400,000? I see I have a lot to learn.

          Originally Posted by Garage Media View Post

          Outsourcing and software, bravo75. Or where you being sarcastic??
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  • Profile picture of the author bravo75
    How on earth do you go about getting 400,000 backlinks in a week? Do you sleep?
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    • Profile picture of the author caseycase
      Originally Posted by bravo75 View Post

      How on earth do you go about getting 400,000 backlinks in a week? Do you sleep?
      Haha! That's what I was thinking! Good work on being that productive.

      User-Name - I would love for you to come back here in a month or so and tell us where your rankings are - I am skeptical, like others, that you will keep those rankings for long, but hey, I could be wrong!

      So, please update us in a few weeks!
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      • Casey, as I see it, he could potentially keep those rankings if he's able to work on the onpage, add a lot more content, and add better links. That way the site will survive all the other links getting deleted -- that's the real worry.
        400,000 links one day and 100,000 the next...Google no likely.

        It tells the algo that the site has lost A LOT of popularity. Kind of like getting ostracized in the 7th grade. Haha.

        But, those 400,000 links could also sink the ship too. Hard to say at this point.

        And yeah, report back, dude.
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    As we build backlinks we shouldn't forget that Good old Content is King
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    • Software can build tons of "spammy" links that are helpful, but not the end all be all, my friend. Xrumer, Scrapebox...and so on.

      And yes, content is King. I tell all my clients -- add 500 new pages of new original content over the next two months. They're like...WHAT?!

      Then they do it, and start banking. SEO isn't hard, but people sometimes believe what they want to believe. :confused:

      The secret reality is SEO takes a big budget, just like PPC. 500 pages of content costs $$$...or write it yourself. Those are your two choices...brick wall for a lot of people.
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      • Profile picture of the author robvegas626
        It's not hard to build up massive backlink numbers FAST if you are outsourcing XRumer, Scrapebox and the building of numerous autoblogs which link back to your main site. But I can tell you from experience that the results can be short-lived, and you run the risk of getting slapped by Google. I know how thrilling it feels to run some of these programs and get a thousand links in two hours...all I can say is, if you move up in the SERPs, great...but in my case, I look at some of my competitors and they are using NONE of this software and still out-ranking me for certain keywords, just because they wrote a few good articles here and there.

        Mix up your efforts. It's shocking (and maybe a little upsetting) how a good article on one of the big article sites can kick your butt and hold its position even when you are building a million spammy backlinks and trying to beat it.
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  • Profile picture of the author User-Name
    I charge a lot for my seo services mainly because I give a 50% or sometimes 100% money back guarantee.
    What helps me obtain clients is I have several online presences that are in extremely competitive niches ie insurance.
    I say here is my website her is the google keyword tool look at the volume of the traffic look at the ppc you would pay for a top listing.
    Then I say google that term go to the top website and do a whois.
    Bingo its me.
    This closes the deal for me without even speaking to the client other them by email.
    When they can see results like that you find they can not pay you quick enough.
    Often I will buy the domain and build the website for them thinking if I ever have payment issues I own the domain name (never had to use that yet) then I can also add this to my portfolio when I say do a whois on this domain.
    Potential clients like to see results not jibba jabba
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  • Profile picture of the author User-Name
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    That is so easy to do create keyword rich blogs that outrank the authority sites.
    If you are lazy there is a plugin that will tell you the keyword density,h1, bold text, etc etc so your page is optimized to the max.
    I watch this with great interest and often see sites with 20 backlinks outranking 100k backlink sites.
    I will be back in one month, two month, three month four.
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  • Profile picture of the author Shazia Mirza
    I disagree. I have ranked first on Google for search terms of over 100,000 competitors with only 7 backlinks.

    The person ranking second had 15,000 backlinks.

    What do you have to say about that?

    BTW Google is starting to see X-rumer blasts as spam.
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    • People, people...PLEASE. It is not where you rank for one day or one week, it's where you rank for months and years that counts. And this takes work and maintenance.

      Saying I ranked this page with 15 links or 100,000 means absolutely nothing.
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    • Profile picture of the author iAmNameLess
      Originally Posted by IMReview View Post

      I disagree. I have ranked first on Google for search terms of over 100,000 competitors with only 7 backlinks.

      The person ranking second had 15,000 backlinks.

      What do you have to say about that?

      BTW Google is starting to see X-rumer blasts as spam.
      What do I have to say about that? Well... perhaps you had new content and had a boost for a few hours. BETTER YET, PROVE IT!

      Fact is, backlinks matter, that isn't something that can be up for debate.

      Who cares if they see it as spam? Can I use 1,000 xrumer blasts to knock out all my competitors? NOPE.
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  • Profile picture of the author hilaryaustin
    what a blast 400 000 backlinks were did you pick them up if google will ask you. I guess slowly but surely methods are really the things that will impress search engines. You must to so industrious building those links but you overworked it I guess.
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  • Profile picture of the author User-Name
    Easy to test this theorem just do it (nike)
    An interesting side note is the website is hosted in Australia it dont have the .com.au. And yet it ranks higher in Australia.
    This is telling me google rates the ip of the domain high in the algorithm.
    I know I can use google tools to tell google this is not the case but why bother when this is an added bonus.
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  • Profile picture of the author GeorgR.
    In case it is that easy as OP suggests, allow me to WEEP due to the pathetic and easy way Google can be manipulated.

    Because every idiot can buy a 50.000+ Xrumer blast for $20. Some indian guys can get you "400.000 backlinks" just LIKE THAT.

    I predict that your site will not last long, nevertheless. Otherwise we AGAIN have the proof what a joke Google is. "Give me a fitty and i go on fiverr and in a week all my sites are on #1" <-- sad
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  • Profile picture of the author auradev
    Unless you already get 100,000 visitors per month, i would say that is a bit much, that is pretty aggressive.
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  • Profile picture of the author User-Name
    THEY ARE NOT ALL XRUMMER BLASTS
    They are from multiple back linking methods
    The keyword here is diversified
    Today I am number 1 for swiss diamond pans
    I did blast out another 100k back links thou
    global and Australia
    "Because every idiot can buy a 50.000+ Xrumer blast for $20. Some indian guys can get you "400.000 backlinks" just LIKE THAT." WTF
    Did you even read the original post?
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  • Profile picture of the author Wiggy0618
    I think the idea that you can build too many backlinks too fast is indeed overplayed and overhyped. Google isn't gonna sandbox you just b/c you build too many backlinks too fast. If having too many backlinks too fast sandboxed you, you'd never see some sites just grow at incredible massively fast rates the way some sites do.

    You just have to be consistent in your link-building. Building 5k backlinks one month, 20k, then next, 100k the next, and 2k the next is gonna look a little fishy b/c it's not consistent. Build 10k every single month and google likely won't say anything.

    However, I think the backlinks also (somewhat) have to match the traffic. If a new(-ish) site is getting 10k backlinks every month, yet is only getting 200 visitors per month, then google is gonna wonder what's going on.

    But then again, that does imply that google does things on some sort of orderly and logical basis, which I kinda doubt...LOL.
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  • Profile picture of the author iAmNameLess
    I don't know why so many of you are hating on the OP with this. I'll take 400,000 back links any day of the week, even on sundays.
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    • Profile picture of the author Boris_yo
      Having 400000 backlinks fast is not going to be a problem, unless domain is new. However if new domain starts getting 400000 links fast, has almost no traffic and bounce rate is high, that might look suspicious to Google. This can be contradicted with a fact that 400000 links will not get crawled by Google that fast, they will get crawled gradually and preferrably from unique domains, unless you try to "force" Google to crawl them (which i don't think would be good for new domain).
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    • Originally Posted by ryandonald34 View Post

      I think these techniques are spam. Google may penalize you for it.
      No they won't penalize you if they identify your site. They will STRAIGHT OUT deindex your site. And don't EVER expect it to come back.

      While there is some inherent truth to this OPs post, it is a risky proposition, and I have seen Google Deindex sites doing similar stuff all to often. So if you have a clients site or even your own site that you intend to want to keep for a while, I wouldn't even think about trying it.
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    • Profile picture of the author sgsmorgan
      Originally Posted by ryandonald34 View Post

      I think these techniques are spam. Google may penalize you for it.
      With respect I think this is one of the most oft quoted myths and legends of the Internet.

      The worst that would happen is that you would lose the benefit of the links but you certainly won't get banned. Google is a lot more sophisticated nowadays than it used to be

      As I say to clients all the time, if this were the case then it would be the most abused SEO Technique of all time. After all why bother to do any SEO on your site at all? Just load up your competitors sites with loads of trashy and spammy links and then sit back and watch your own site serenely rise theough the SERPS whilst Google goes about and trashes the competition.

      Not going to happen is it?
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    • Profile picture of the author paulgl
      Good stuff here, BUT....unfortunately we digress into the "tons of
      links is not natural" BS.

      If you could get tons of links, quickly, real links, google would love
      the crap out of you.

      You want to go viral. True, some things are fleeting, but good sites
      going viral will stick around. icanhazcheezburger, for example.

      I think there's as much BS about natural links as there is about
      natural food.

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      • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
        Originally Posted by paulgl View Post

        Good stuff here, BUT....unfortunately we digress into the "tons of
        links is not natural" BS.

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        Well like I always say its not the amount of links its the kind of links you have to get to get 400,000. If you get something to go viral its going the link graph is going to look ALOT different than throwing a pile of forum profiles together.
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        • Profile picture of the author paulgl
          Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

          Well like I always say its not the amount of links its the kind of links you have to get to get 400,000. If you get something to go viral its going the link graph is going to look ALOT different than throwing a pile of forum profiles together.
          Point taken, and when I say links, I am always referring to real links. If
          there is such a thing as, "real" links and "nonreal" links.

          I have never championed getting tons of profile links. But even then, there
          is no way google would ever see thousands made in the blink of an eye
          anyway. And that's what people forget. Difference between hurting and
          not helping.

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  • Profile picture of the author User-Name
    Multiple varied forms of link building are spam?
    Well welcome to the internet
    This was a very disappointing post
    Started with fact
    People enter in with preconceived ideas and stuck with them
    Time will tell
    Sales are Grreat
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    • The entire internet is filled with spam. Ezine Articles, Associate Content, the Huffington Post...legit "spam" sites.

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  • Profile picture of the author Jordan Kovats
    I love the fact that you were bruatally honest explaining your strategy and in essence, letting it 'all hang out' with your backlink blitz. You are right, that nobody really knows what is in store for this 4 month old site, including yourself, and those that do know, aren't telling. There are theories behind this. Some claim to have dne it with success, some admit they did it and failed.

    No matter how you spin it, a 400K backlink blast is a little extreme. If it were so called, that easy, then everyone and their uncle can blast their way to the top of Google with the 1 million url limit within xrumer. But I have a feeling, Google is a little smarter than that.

    So, if I may ask, do us all a favour on this thread, and maintain your honesty, and let us know if you continue to hold your rank, or, if that site disappears into oblivion, whether it be 30 days, 60 or a year or more. And if it does, I hope your client is prepared to have a website that is virtually useless for sometime, and that you haven't spent the money yet, since you may have to give that 50% or 100% refund in this case...
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    Google may penalize you for it.
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  • Profile picture of the author perfect
    I think there is something to learn here, let see how this goes say 3 months from now.
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  • Profile picture of the author Watch Store
    quite daring of you to take such a risk
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  • Profile picture of the author User-Name
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    Yes for once I did not use google analytic s
    No point advertising my process.
    I will post back each month (or sooner if my positions drop)
    I think google must be like the yeti
    So much bs posted on what it likes and don`t like.
    If someone thought they could outrank me by using 1million xrummer blasts they would be in for such a shock.
    Multiple diversified backlinks
    I could write a book on SEO but why bother $20 a wso sell 1000 copies make $20 000
    Build a website hit it with everything make a hell of a lot more.
    My post was not designed to annoy any one just to state some facts.
    Proof of the pudding.
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    • Profile picture of the author WayneTatum
      SEO is no different than Poker. It is so easy for players to start winning a little and to start thinking they have figured the entire game out or that they are in fact experts who have stumbled into their specialty. This is often due to short term successes that do not last long. Some times Poker players can go on a good run, winning pot after pot for weeks before they lose everything to the better player in the long run and it isn't any different in SEO.

      I'm new to SEO and Internet Marketing but I think many are underestimating the intelligence of Google. I would love to see some actual testing over a decent sample size that indicates placing that many back links in such a short period of time will not penalize a website.

      If Google did penalize such behavior I would assume the strategy could be used against your competition. Because of that I doubt you would be penalized. However, I also doubt Google would make it so easy to game their system this way.

      Simply put, It's probably best to test for a longer period of time (which is a mystery) and show us studies of that testing with the actual websites and their listings before you make such bold claims.
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      • Profile picture of the author WillR
        Originally Posted by Garage Media View Post

        People, people...PLEASE. It is not where you rank for one day or one week, it's where you rank for months and years that counts. And this takes work and maintenance.

        Saying I ranked this page with 15 links or 100,000 means absolutely nothing.
        Exactly right.

        Originally Posted by IMReview View Post

        I disagree. I have ranked first on Google for search terms of over 100,000 competitors with only 7 backlinks.
        When are some of you people going to learn what real competition is. Some idiot once said that the number of other pages that show up for a Google search is your competition. It's completely untrue. They are not your competition at all.

        The best example I can give is a running race. If you are sitting in the stadium watching a running race, are you part of the race? A you competition? NO. Yes, you might have legs just like the runners do but you are not in the race trying to win. So you are NOT their competition.

        Same goes with search engines. A webpage that has your keyword on it once within their content is not any competition to you. They will be counted by Google as another result but that does not mean they are competition. Your only competition are pages that have tried to optimize for that word and/or have a good number of relevant backlinks pointing to that page.

        Originally Posted by iAmNameLess View Post

        You can send out 2 million back links and it will be fine. Why? Because whether you ping them all or not, google isn't going to index them all immediately... I have about 50,000 back links that have been done in the last 2 months, and they aren't all indexed.
        Just because a link is not indexed does not mean Google has not already taken note of it. Any page that Google decides to not index can only be done by Google's spiders first visiting that page.

        Originally Posted by Capitalist_Pig View Post

        Got any proof for that? If you don't have Google services on your site, how exactly do you believe they can tell?
        How does Alexa manage to rank all the websites in the world based on the traffic they are receiving? When only a small proportion of Internet users have the Alexa toolbar installed. Trust me, Google can tell.
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    Lets see how long it can remain there.
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  • Profile picture of the author paulrigby
    I cant agree with you. Since building 4000000 backlinks in a week is not possible in any means. As your site is a new one, google will place your site in a sandbox filter algorithm for few periods may be 3 to 6 months. Every new site will spend some time in sandbox, as it is the age filtering algorithm used by the google search engine. So it is better to start optimizing your site by building quality backlinks and also the relevancy plays important in building backlinks.
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    • Profile picture of the author sgsmorgan
      Originally Posted by paulrigby View Post

      I cant agree with you. Since building 4000000 backlinks in a week is not possible in any means. As your site is a new one, google will place your site in a sandbox filter algorithm for few periods may be 3 to 6 months. Every new site will spend some time in sandbox, as it is the age filtering algorithm used by the google search engine. So it is better to start optimizing your site by building quality backlinks and also the relevancy plays important in building backlinks.

      Hmnn not always true.Imagine for instance a news or current afairs site. Now these don't always have to be "dressed up" as a Google News site rather they could be an inside personal blog from a current newsworthy location such as in Tunisia, Egypt, China or Iran etc. Sites like these come from nowhere, provide incredible information and get the "living daylights" linked and attributed out of them.

      Google quite often see's Link spikes and the over reaction that it might have seen in the past doesn't happen anymore. If it did then any current affairs news site would be committing SEO suicide everytime they post.

      It would mean that Link Bait Campaigns would work against as opposed to working for a site.
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  • Profile picture of the author craigcdz
    A great work you have done here. quality back links are very important that can be from high pr and niche related sites.
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  • Profile picture of the author User-Name
    Hi Steve I will be adding your network to the mix next time.
    I went right through your forum today and had time to watch a few videos.
    Great bang for your buck you have there.
    I especially like the multi tagging........... talk about leverage.

    With my clients site I reached 500 000 backlinks and called it quits.
    Every term on my site is in the top 10 off google.
    Most are 1 or 2 google just followed everything.
    They will all be number one.
    I have done this now for 14 years.
    If the website had the keywords in the domain name I might have only needed 100k.
    The internet is all about should be, could be, might be, would be.
    No one seems to stop and think have i really seen this in actuality.

    This was a controlled test using multiple backlinking strategies.
    Facts get lost somewhere.

    If it was me trying to promote many products I would have 1 website 1 keyword
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    • Profile picture of the author sgsmorgan
      Originally Posted by User-Name View Post

      Hi Steve I will be adding your network to the mix next time.
      I went right through your forum today and had time to watch a few videos.
      Great bang for your buck you have there.
      I especially like the multi tagging........... talk about leverage.
      Yeah I know. I had one member nail 8 out of the top 10 slots in Google for one of their chosen terms just through their tagged pages alone. This was a theory that we started nearly two years a go and yet the result they got happened last week so it appears it is still valid.

      With the most recent training video posted a lot of folks don't realise that actually you can really make tags work for you...if you know how.

      Steve
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  • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
    Originally Posted by User-Name View Post

    My clients website is 4 months old the competition is 14 years old.
    He is currently 3 for luxury bedding
    6 for luxurious bedding
    5 for swiss diamond pans
    All within 6 days
    Cheers
    Andrew
    I can't believe this thread has gone for two pages and no one has asked the URL of the site. The easiest thing for someone claiming to be a SEO for hire to to do is claim a site ranks for this or that. Unless there is a URL and you can see it ranking then there is NO PROOF.

    So whats the URL and we'll see if its ranking for any competitive term with those kinds of backlinks or not.
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    • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
      And in case anyone is wondering I know what I am talking about I rank number one for about 853 terms beating out even Wikipedia most of the time and I do it in 4 days, 12 hour, and 34 minutes most of the time. Hard ones take 35 minutes.

      See how easy that was to type?
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      • Profile picture of the author sgsmorgan
        Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

        And in case anyone is wondering I know what I am talking about I rank number one for about 853 terms beating out even Wikipedia most of the time and I do it in 4 days, 12 hour, and 34 minutes most of the time. Hard ones take 35 minutes.

        See how easy that was to type?
        Yes but you haven't mentioned any urls? ;-)







        Only a bit of gentle fun here, I don't need a long list of urls, lets not tip off the closet google-meisters amongst us.
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        • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
          Originally Posted by sgsmorgan View Post

          Yes but you haven't mentioned any urls? ;-)
          Yep thats exactly my point. I don't give out my customer's URls either but I won't make any claims based on them.
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          • Profile picture of the author sgsmorgan
            Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

            Yep thats exactly my point. I don't give out my customer's URls either but I won't make any claims based on them.
            I wasn't trying to be clever as I mentioned......further down the post....Just tryring to bring a bit of light heartedness to the proceedings.
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  • Profile picture of the author ameerulislam10
    How did you manage to get 400 k backlinks in just one week? you are using software or a big group of people?

    I didn't like your method. If you have been successful to get on the first page some how. remember it's only for a temporary period.
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    • Looks like the SEO "experts" are coming out of the wood work.

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      • Profile picture of the author sgsmorgan
        Originally Posted by Garage Media View Post

        Looks like the SEO "experts" are coming out of the wood work.

        GM
        Oh well....shucks that's me busted :-(
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  • Profile picture of the author User-Name
    Easy to find the domain
    I am sorry I thought I was upfront in all I do
    To find my domain type in luxury bedding
    or swiss diamond pans
    you will see it ranked number one
    It is number one for MULTIPLE terms
    It has quality about it.

    I think that kinda puts the too much too fast bs to bed.
    I only posted this thread because I get tired reading all the hexpert threads on backlinking
    I have learn t a massive amount on warrior forum

    Number 1 in MULTIPLE high value high volume keywords in 8 days

    Maybe she will slide in the ranking a little sandbox
    The backlinks are to varied for that to take long.

    Ps If you want number one I know someone who can do it.
    In fact pay me a crapload and we can do this experiment again in real time ( I wont however show you my backlinking strategy)

    Back in a month
    I have to learn some more about simply leveraging
    There was no gain for me in this post just to point out the bs theory of to many backlinks
    The hyper in my signature belongs to my niece
    It pays Her rent
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  • Profile picture of the author Jordan Kovats
    so swissdiamond.com and luxurybedding.com? That's what shows up #1.
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  • Profile picture of the author Anil123
    Now google has changed its rule and regulation about SEO.And content is the king now a days.it should be unique and fresh.and one more thing don't try to do more backlink that is useless.create quality backlink.
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  • Profile picture of the author webdesignsydney
    I for one would like to say well done. You experimented, thought about it, were intelligent in your approach and did it full well knowing any consequences. You took a chance and seem to be doing well. Good for you.
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