Google Allintitle inconsistent results

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Hi Warriors

I was just doing some keyword research and came across this

Does the allintitle give you inconsistent results sometimes?

I tried it for the keyword "targeted email marketing" and it was 4740 results on Friday and today it gives 35,100 results today

Have you come across this before?

Try this allintitle:"hedge fund management" , gives 52000 results...now go to the 20th page and it gives 209 results

Moreover, the number sometimes changes after 15 minutes too.


thanks
Ankur
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  • Profile picture of the author snginnovations
    I believe the allintitle is a guesstimate and not an accurate number. You never know until you click through all the pages...
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  • Profile picture of the author snginnovations
    Yes I think 209 is the accurate number. It's a guesstimate on google's part until you get through all the results. The computer power required to do a query like that is too performance intensive so it's a guesstimate until you force the right result - 209 in this case.
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  • Profile picture of the author DPWeb
    Sometimes Google will output different results if you leave a space between the : and "keyword"

    That might be why you are seeing different results.
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  • Profile picture of the author wsotoolz
    Did you maybe forget the quotes on the one search? That could make a big difference.

    I have been using the number on the last page of google results a lot more to judge competition.

    I notice that you can get different allintitle results from google even if you hit different google servers but they are not usually that much different.
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    • Profile picture of the author ankur420420
      Originally Posted by wordpress_seo View Post

      Did you maybe forget the quotes on the one search? That could make a big difference.

      I have been using the number on the last page of google results a lot more to judge competition.

      I notice that you can get different allintitle results from google even if you hit different google servers but they are not usually that much different.

      Thanks buddy

      I checked it many times and I didn't forgot the quotes any time

      The last page has a very very low number than the first page....and what does the number on the first page mean at all in this case?

      Accessing different servers gives slightly different numbers but the numbers are not slightly different in my case....they are hugely different :confused::confused:

      thanks
      Ankur
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  • Profile picture of the author garben2011
    Hello.

    Yes, I have encountered this many many times.

    I've actually asked this question to people pitching various keyword research tools asking them how they consider this to be useful when the numbers always increase after you perform such a search? ha ha

    This is my own thinking on the matter and it may be entirely wrong.

    I perform a search for what appears to be a good target keyword for seo purposes and I see less than 10,000 results (often less than 1,000 results).

    Then a day or two later (sometimes just an hour later) I performed the same search just to confirm the earlier stats... and I see the 10,000 has changed to 57,000 or 761 results had changed to 31,000.

    I am not certain... and this is where my opinion floats into this post... but I kind of looked at it this way: when I performed those searches and discovered a very low amount of results I think this scenario possibly triggered a sort of flag in Google's search engine system that caused them to launch a sort of mini process to locate more pages (options) to return to their users.

    I just view this stuff from a software engineer's perspective and I have made systems do things like this in the past. When a user mined for data that very few results were available for... I'd trigger a backend processing job to go out and do a more thorough search, locate more records that were relevant for the search and tagged those additional records as being relevant. This way it is much more efficient because the system only does this work when it sees there is a need. It responds to demand. I think it is quite possible Google has implemented a similar mechanism.

    Again, I do not know for sure that is what happens. I am just saying such an approach from a software system engineering perspective makes a lot of sense. Respond to the demand (an incoming search) by rebuilding that particular search index.

    I rarely use keywords in quotes or the allintitle search these days for this reason. I figure every time I run such a search I am triggering a reassessment and therefore these numbers are also kind of useless although we are all possibly helping Google to fill in the gaps in their search engine indices.

    Now, I just do a combination of two things: first looking at the pages that appear in the first three pages of results for the normal (no quotes) search for the keyword... those are the true competition... and if I really want to have a clue as to how many there are (which is not nearly as useful as knowing the strength of the pages ranking in the top 30 in my opinion) I just do the search in quotes and flip through the results until I reach the very last page which always says something along the lines of In order to show you the most relevant results, we have omitted some entries very similar to the 82 already displayed.

    Anyway, all of that long ramble was simply to say... yep, I have experienced the same thing.




    Originally Posted by ankur420420 View Post

    Hi Warriors

    I was just doing some keyword research and came across this

    Does the allintitle give you inconsistent results sometimes?

    I tried it for the keyword “targeted email marketing” and it was 4740 results on Friday and today it gives 35,100 results today

    Have you come across this before?

    Try this allintitle:"hedge fund management" , gives 52000 results…now go to the 20th page and it gives 209 results

    Moreover, the number sometimes changes after 15 minutes too.

    thanks
    Ankur
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    • Profile picture of the author ankur420420
      Originally Posted by garben2011 View Post

      I am not certain... and this is where my opinion floats into this post... but I kind of looked at it this way: when I performed those searches and discovered a very low amount of results I think this scenario possibly triggered a sort of flag in Google's search engine system that caused them to launch a sort of mini process to locate more pages (options) to return to their users.

      I just view this stuff from a software engineer's perspective and I have made systems do things like this in the past. When a user mined for data that very few results were available for... I'd trigger a backend processing job to go out and do a more thorough search, locate more records that were relevant for the search and tagged those additional records as being relevant. This way it is much more efficient because the system only does this work when it sees there is a need. It responds to demand. I think it is quite possible Google has implemented a similar mechanism.
      Thanks a lot buddy

      I liked the "software engineering perspective" of yours

      It makes me imagine a few things myself too

      Ankur

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  • Profile picture of the author Ben Holmes
    I wrote an article about this topic: Google Lies To You! - Intel by khadaji - Qondio United States. It's a good idea to jump to the last page if the number of competing websites is important for you to more accurately determine.

    There's even a search parameter you can enter to get to the last page, I recall reading about it, but I don't have it. Anyone know it?
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    • Profile picture of the author ankur420420
      Originally Posted by Khadaji View Post

      There's even a search parameter you can enter to get to the last page, I recall reading about it, but I don't have it. Anyone know it?
      Interesting article on your site

      I would love to know this search parameter too

      thanks
      Ankur
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      • Profile picture of the author Terry Hatfield
        when you do an allintitle search do it without quotes like this:

        allintitle:hedge fund management

        if you do it in quotes like this:

        allintitle:"hedge fund management"

        then you will get the same results as if you just did an intitle search, you are basically doing an intitle:"hedge fund management" command because it is like searching for the phrase instead of checking for individual words.

        The allintitle without quotes is just a preliminary test, even if the number comes back low then you still need to look at the strenght of competition of the results on the first page to detemine if you can beat them.

        I found when using allintitle without quotes there is no need to go to the last page of the results and get that number, I just use the number it shows on the first page as a rough estimate.

        Hope that helps some.

        Later,
        Terry
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      • Profile picture of the author wsotoolz
        Originally Posted by ankur420420 View Post

        Interesting article on your site

        I would love to know this search parameter too

        thanks
        Ankur
        To get to the last page to get the "Real Competition" or "True Competition"
        Code:
        http://www.google.com/search?hl=&q=test+keyword&start=990&num=10
        This specifies 10 results per page and will take you to the very last page. This works even if there are not 990-1000 results. Google never will return more then 1000 results.
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  • Profile picture of the author George Katsoudas
    One thing I have found is that the allintitle: attribute can be inconsistent. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't.

    For example, if I search for:

    allintitle:"build muscle" "fast ways"

    ... I may get different results than if I typed:

    intitle:"build muscle" intitle:"fast ways"

    This is just an example of course.

    I personally like to force the intitle:attribute for every phrase I want to see in the title separately.
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  • Profile picture of the author ankur420420
    @Terry :

    Thanks for the reply but allintitle without quotes will always give a larger number

    Moreover, for each of the following cases, we will have to go to the last page

    allintitle:hedge fund management 63,000 results

    allintitle:"hedge fund management" 21,500 results

    intitle:hedge fund management 1,490,000 results



    @George:

    Thanks for the reply but I got the following

    allintitle:"build muscle" "fast ways" 90 results

    intitle:"build muscle" intitle:"fast ways" 90 results same answer in both the cases :confused::confused:

    Moreover, could you please tell how does the intitle search help us?

    Maybe I am missing something :rolleyes:

    thanks
    Ankur
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    • Profile picture of the author Terry Hatfield
      [QUOTE=ankur420420;3446559][B]@Terry :

      Thanks for the reply but allintitle without quotes will always give a larger number

      Moreover, for each of the following cases, we will have to go to the last page

      allintitle:hedge fund management 63,000 results

      allintitle:"hedge fund management" 21,500 results

      intitle:hedge fund management 1,490,000 results



      Hi,

      Regardless if it is a larger number returned, allintitle without quotes is what you should use. I thoroughly tested it on a few hundred of my sites.

      The sites I ranked the easiest for had the lowest allintitle without quotes. I checked allintitle with quotes, without quotes and allintitle on my sites.

      The allintitle without quotes won hands down as the most accurate way to check competition.

      But honestly, like I said, that is just a preliminary test and you need to analyze the top ranking sites to determine the real competition.

      But do it anyway you like, but I went through a lot of sites to determine allintitle without quotes is best.

      Later,
      Terry
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      • Profile picture of the author wsotoolz
        Originally Posted by Terry Hatfield View Post

        Hi,

        Regardless if it is a larger number returned, allintitle without quotes is what you should use. I thoroughly tested it on a few hundred of my sites.

        The sites I ranked the easiest for had the lowest allintitle without quotes. I checked allintitle with quotes, without quotes and allintitle on my sites.

        The allintitle without quotes won hands down as the most accurate way to check competition.

        But honestly, like I said, that is just a preliminary test and you need to analyze the top ranking sites to determine the real competition.

        But do it anyway you like, but I went through a lot of sites to determine allintitle without quotes is best.

        Later,
        Terry
        I agree that you need to consider the top 10 in addition to allintitle. I am curious though if you have a target number then for allintitle without quotes. Mos tof the time I see people say 1,000 allintitle with quotes is easy to rank for. What would be the equivalent to that without quotes?
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        • Profile picture of the author Terry Hatfield
          Originally Posted by wordpress_seo View Post

          I agree that you need to consider the top 10 in addition to allintitle. I am curious though if you have a target number then for allintitle without quotes. Mos tof the time I see people say 1,000 allintitle with quotes is easy to rank for. What would be the equivalent to that without quotes?
          Hi,

          Yes, if you are doing bum marketing using web 2.0 and article sites then 1,000 allintitle without quotes results (this would be the highest number I use) is a good number to use.

          I don't use quotes with with allintitle.

          If you are building back links then it doesn't really matter, still the lower the number the better.

          Later,
          Terry
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    • Profile picture of the author George Katsoudas
      Originally Posted by ankur420420 View Post


      @George:

      Thanks for the reply but I got the following

      allintitle:"build muscle" "fast ways" 90 results

      intitle:"build muscle" intitle:"fast ways" 90 results same answer in both the cases :confused::confused:

      Moreover, could you please tell how does the intitle search help us?

      Maybe I am missing something :rolleyes:

      thanks
      Ankur
      The "build muscle" was just an example. In this case, the result is the same. In many cases, it ain't.

      For example, sometimes I may search for:

      allintitle: keyword1 keyword2

      ... and some of the results may only have keyword1 OR keyword2 in the title

      Using intitle: separately for each term forces Google to return results that include both terms in the title.
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  • Profile picture of the author wsotoolz
    REALLY! I never thought of that. My program AIS does all this stuff but it doesn't do that. I am totally going to add this in.

    Code:
     http://www.google.com/search?hl=&q=allintitle:"test+keyword"&start=990&num=10
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  • Profile picture of the author Dumkist
    It's what is on the first page that matters...and nothing else !
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    • Profile picture of the author John Williamson
      Originally Posted by Dumkist View Post

      It's what is on the first page that matters...and nothing else !
      Exactly! I've been trying to preach this as much as possible. Why do you guys care about or pay attention to allintitle, allinurl, number of competing pages, etc. ? Your competition is what's on page 1! It's like some horrible myth that got started back in the day by some self-proclaimed guru selling an ebook that the number of competing pages, allintitle, etc. should be regarded as significant...
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