Latest Casualty from the Google Fallout: .ORG domains

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Ok so I noticed a bout a dozen of my .ORG sites (which we're all placed on page 1 of google) are not even in the top 10 pages.

This was kind of a "loop hole" i've been using for some time to get my domains ranked faster and higher.

Google recently made significant changes to their search algorithm...

And wondering if anyone else is noticing their .ORG domains getting hit?

Im glad to say that I only used those sites to promote other sites... and not relying on them for income directly. I feel bad for those who do.

The only positive I see from this is that my .COM's that are still ranked high are worth a whole lot more.
#casualty #domains #fallout #google #latest #org
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    • Profile picture of the author paulgl
      Originally Posted by mgtarheels View Post

      My #1 site is a .org and is doing just fine.
      How many more of these #$%^$%# threads are people going to post?

      Google algo changed: Earth's poles now reversed.

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  • Profile picture of the author Biggy Fat
    Look for the next thread: "Are .org domains dead?"

    But hey, a .org I sold a while back is still going very well.
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  • Profile picture of the author bettersocial
    Have a couple of .org sites that have maintained their positions - one is on pg 1, the other on pg. 2
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    • Profile picture of the author NerdGary
      We know that Google Assassinated Overstock.com for using .EDU names for backlinks... It just makes sense that they kill .ORG's..

      Glad to hear not all have been hurt by this.

      But the fact that someone made a thread "are .ORG's dead" concerns me.
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      • Profile picture of the author darrenmonroe
        Loophole huh? Well you knew it was on a timer to change right?
        And you also knew that it is wise to have multiple strategies right?

        If you didnt well now you do
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        • Profile picture of the author Richard Van
          Strange how the OP's .orgs drop but mine and others don't.

          Why do we always blame something or someone else?

          Isn't it also possible, either you've done some thing wrong or your opposition's done something better than you have?

          For the record, this whole Google "fallout" hasn't affected any of my sites at all.

          No matter how the domain ends.
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          • Profile picture of the author wanna-succeed
            Originally Posted by Richard Van View Post

            Strange how the OP's .orgs drop but mine and others don't.
            Hear here...
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      • Profile picture of the author CMCarlin
        Originally Posted by NerdGary View Post

        We know that Google Assassinated Overstock.com for using .EDU names for backlinks... It just makes sense that they kill .ORG's..

        You are referencing two different concepts. 1) how .orgs help SERPS in backlinking and 2) how .orgs are actually ranked. These are two different things.


        But the fact that someone made a thread "are .ORG's dead" concerns me.

        That means NOTHING. There is a new "XXXX is dead" thread here every couple of days. They have no merit, usually."
        Don't you think that saying .orgs are a loophole is a little obnoxious? No offense, but this is the kind of mis-information that needs to be put to a stop.
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        • Profile picture of the author NerdGary
          Originally Posted by CMCarlin View Post

          Don't you think that saying .orgs are a loophole is a little obnoxious? No offense, but this is the kind of mis-information that needs to be put to a stop.
          Everyone knows that .orgs rank faster.. The oldest trick in the book.
          This is not something I made up.
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          • Profile picture of the author oneplusone
            All my .org sites are perfectly fine, the drops you've experienced are unlikely to have anything to do with the domain extension IMO.
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  • Profile picture of the author GeorgR.
    Nice conclusion..based on the fact that YOUR .org domains dropped. They dropped for whatever other reason but certainly not because they are .org.
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  • Profile picture of the author Michael Lee
    My .org sites are still doing fine, for now. They're on page 1 at the start, then some of them came way down, then they are back in page 1 as of the moment.

    You could wait a few days and see if they come back to their original positions.
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  • Profile picture of the author markowe
    Hm, I had one bomb out of sight today, but it's quite new, so I am not sweating it yet. Plus it's not a commercial site (yet) so I really cannot see on what basis the Google algo could discriminate.
    Anyway, this is for the SEO forum...
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  • Profile picture of the author TimG
    The .ORG site George Brown uses as an example for his Google Sniper 1 and 2 products is still maintaining its number 1 ranking.

    With other's chiming in that their sites are holding their rankings it would appear that your sites have something else preventing them from maintaining their positions.

    Respectfully,
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    • Profile picture of the author davesharp
      A couple of mt auto blog sites have completely fallen off the radar this last couple of weeks. A lesson to be learnt maybe!!!

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      • Profile picture of the author Marketing Merit
        Originally Posted by davesharp View Post

        A couple of mt auto blog sites have completely fallen off the radar this last couple of weeks. A lesson to be learnt maybe!!!

        Dave

        I think that makes much more sense Dave!!
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      • Profile picture of the author moneymakerz
        Originally Posted by davesharp View Post

        A couple of mt auto blog sites have completely fallen off the radar this last couple of weeks. A lesson to be learnt maybe!!!

        Dave
        With the new google changes everyone is seeing a drop in their autoblog rankings.so this should be considered natural

        I don't think .org domains will be hammered
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  • Profile picture of the author Marketing Merit
    Originally Posted by NerdGary View Post

    Ok so I noticed a bout a dozen of my .ORG sites (which we're all placed on page 1 of google) are not even in the top 10 pages.
    Not so sure it's simply the domain extension to blame here Gary.

    My understanding of Google's latest algorithm changes is that they were targeting content as opposed to the domain extension. That's why there are a number of threads about Ezine going around at the mo.

    If Google's intention is to increase quality in their search results, then it makes no sense to blindly target a specific extension such as .org, especially when the true purpose of this extension was originally for "not for profit" organizations.

    We all know that things take a while to settle down after Google has implemented changes. If your sites don't improve then I would be inclined to give them a face lift!!
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  • Profile picture of the author Mr Lim
    Depends on keywords~
    My site .org beat the official site and placed the #1, not page but result.

    Originally Posted by NerdGary View Post

    Ok so I noticed a bout a dozen of my .ORG sites (which we're all placed on page 1 of google) are not even in the top 10 pages.

    This was kind of a "loop hole" i've been using for some time to get my domains ranked faster and higher.

    Google recently made significant changes to their search algorithm...

    And wondering if anyone else is noticing their .ORG domains getting hit?

    Im glad to say that I only used those sites to promote other sites... and not relying on them for income directly. I feel bad for those who do.

    The only positive I see from this is that my .COM's that are still ranked high are worth a whole lot more.
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  • Profile picture of the author Terry Hatfield
    Checked about 20 of my org domains, none lost ranking.
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  • All of my .org's are at least where they were before. One of them moved up to #2 overall.
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  • Profile picture of the author UMS
    All my .org's are doing just fine, ie: no movement.

    The much more likely explanation is that your sites were penalised due to their content.
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  • Profile picture of the author Mike McAleer
    It is more likely that there was another reason for your drop in the serps because everyones .orgs are doing just fine. I hope you can sort things out.
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  • Profile picture of the author mojojuju
    Yep, Google is indiscriminately dropping .orgs from its index. Next in line will be .net domains followed by .com domains. We're all screwed.
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  • Profile picture of the author NerdGary
    Well.. for the first part.. I use custom software which I developed myself... Which has been getting .ORG names on first page of google for certain keywords in 2-3 days.

    I suspect Google has an algorithm change with quantum analysis built in.. (ie: if you get to page one in 2 days, you're doing something fishy)...

    The reason I wrote this post because I use my technique on alot of my sites.. but I only noticed the .ORG's falling off the map.

    Not sure why people are getting offended by this.. kind of absurd.

    I posted to reach out to others with the same issue... And a few others have the same problem... So it's not just me obviously.

    Anyway, keeping a close eye on the ranks of all my sites. Will update the thread.
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    • Profile picture of the author Michael Shook
      Originally Posted by NerdGary View Post

      Well.. for the first part.. I use custom software which I developed myself... Which has been getting .ORG names on first page of google for certain keywords in 2-3 days.

      I suspect Google has an algorithm change with quantum analysis built in.. (ie: if you get to page one in 2 days, you're doing something fishy)...

      The reason I wrote this post because I use my technique on alot of my sites.. but I only noticed the .ORG's falling off the map.

      Not sure why people are getting offended by this.. kind of absurd.

      I posted to reach out to others with the same issue... And a few others have the same problem... So it's not just me obviously.

      Anyway, keeping a close eye on the ranks of all my sites. Will update the thread.
      Its because of your thread title. You could have just as easily titled it:

      Latest Casualty from the Google Fallout: My .ORG domains

      and because you are making statements that sound like they apply to everyone but all you have is your own experience.
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      • Profile picture of the author dwzemens
        One of my .org accounts dropped off the rankings on Feb 23, but just today bounced back to #17 (it's normal spot). A .com that sat regularly around #8 dropped to #20 about the same time, but today settled back at #3.

        So ... I think the algorithm change is still shaking out, but maybe not as bad as expected.
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  • Profile picture of the author Jake Gray
    None of my clients .org domains dropped nor did any of mine.

    Strange
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  • Profile picture of the author NerdGary
    thats possible oneplusone.. keeping a close eye on this.

    These changes by google are fast and furious.. noone here knows what they (google) are doing as far as algo changes.
    So I'm paying close attention to all my sites rankings'
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    • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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      Domain extensions don't affect SEO. Any drop in someone's .org sites certainly has nothing to do with their being .org sites.
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      • Profile picture of the author NerdGary
        Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

        Domain extensions don't affect SEO. Any drop in someone's .org sites certainly has nothing to do with their being .org sites.
        That's kind of silly...
        If you actually believe that (or anyone else here) explain the power of .EDU's ?
        How come .EDU's are extremely powerful domains?
        If your theory is correct, then EDU's would be the same as .coms, .nets, etc..

        Read this article and you'll see what I mean:
        Google Penalizes Overstock for Search Tactics - WSJ.com


        Google DOES place different rankings on different extensions.
        They may be very subtle, but they do.

        Not even sure why we are debating this... This is very common SEO knowledge.
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        • Profile picture of the author Richard Van
          Originally Posted by NerdGary View Post

          That's kind of silly...
          If you actually believe that (or anyone else here) explain the power of .EDU's ?
          .
          I fear we have a case of someone going on theory as opposed to good old hard tested facts.

          Nothing silly in what Alexa said at all Gary.
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        • Profile picture of the author matt5409
          Originally Posted by NerdGary View Post

          That's kind of silly...
          If you actually believe that (or anyone else here) explain the power of .EDU's ?
          How come .EDU's are extremely powerful domains?
          If your theory is correct, then EDU's would be the same as .coms, .nets, etc..

          Read this article and you'll see what I mean:
          Google Penalizes Overstock for Search Tactics - WSJ.com


          Google DOES place different rankings on different extensions.
          They may be very subtle, but they do.

          Not even sure why we are debating this... This is very common SEO knowledge.
          EDU sites were traditionally reserved for "official business" and often regarded authorities due to people linking to them as a resource.

          EDU sites built their reputations steadily over time, then some idiot SEO people came along and said "hey looks guyz! EDU make you rank well!!!".

          It's not the domain name or extension that makes a site rank - it's the site itself. If you notice that EDU's are powerful, it's because they are established and authoratitive websites, not just because their domain ends in .EDU!
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        • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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          Originally Posted by NerdGary View Post

          That's kind of silly...
          Thanks.

          Originally Posted by NerdGary View Post

          Read this article and you'll see what I mean:
          LOL. Perceptions vary. When I read that article I see yet another "marketer" regurgitating the urban myths of internet marketing. When I quote something to support my view, at least it's Matt Cutts and/or other people writing on Google's blogs.

          Originally Posted by NerdGary View Post

          If you actually believe that (or anyone else here) explain the power of .EDU's ?
          How come .EDU's are extremely powerful domains?
          Because many are "authority sites". :p

          The ones that aren't authority sites actually aren't "extremely powerful domains" at all (including, unfortunately, all my own .edu blogs). As explained here. :rolleyes:

          Originally Posted by NerdGary View Post

          If your theory is correct, then EDU's would be the same as .coms, .nets, etc..
          The ones that aren't authority sites are, indeed, exactly the same as .com's, .net's, .info's and so on.

          And by the way, thanks very much for the attribution, but it isn't actually "my theory" at all - it's Matt Cutts' "theory". He says it on video and in writing, he says it on his own blog and on Google's blog. And he invites people to quote him on it. Which I do.

          (And it's Peter Kent's "theory" as well, and was even before Matt Cutts started so repeatedly going on the record with it - if that interests you as much as it interests me).

          Originally Posted by NerdGary View Post

          Not even sure why we are debating this... This is very common SEO knowledge.
          Don't look now, but all sorts of things are "very common SEO knowledge" without ever actually having been true at all.

          I'm sorry that so many of your sites have apparently been clobbered, Gary, but as many others above are wisely and correctly informing you, it has precisely nothing to do with their being .org domains, and you'll be barking up the wrong tree indeed if you look to that as an explanation.
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          • Profile picture of the author matt5409
            Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

            Don't look now, but all sorts of things are "very common SEO knowledge" without ever actually having been true at all.
            that is a statement. in fact i might print that out and hang it above my laptop just to remind me that 90% of the stuff i read on marketing and SEO forums is heresay, and often complete tosh.
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      • Profile picture of the author Richard Van
        Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

        Domain extensions don't affect SEO. Any drop in someone's .org sites certainly has nothing to do with their being .org sites.
        Absolutely spot on.

        Can someone explain exactly why Google would target a site purely because it's a .org?

        These changes by google are fast and furious
        Perhaps, but as algorithms are so mathematically complex, I find it hard to think they'll make an algorithmic change to beat all .org domains to death.

        Doesn't make any sense to me at all.
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    • Profile picture of the author WealthWithin
      Originally Posted by NerdGary View Post

      thats possible oneplusone.. keeping a close eye on this.

      These changes by google are fast and furious.. noone here knows what they (google) are doing as far as algo changes.
      So I'm paying close attention to all my sites rankings'
      I think it's clear why Google does all the changes.
      To show quality information to users.

      My .ORGs still rank just fine.
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  • Profile picture of the author NerdGary
    Here is a snippet of that article....

    "Internet search experts say that sites associated with educational institutions, which come with ".edu" in their Web addresses, are often considered by Google's search algorithm to be more authoritative than commercial sites. "
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    • Profile picture of the author Enfusia
      I read this and just went and checked.
      Not only are all my .org's doing just fine but the one I launched on Friday night at about 11pm is middle of page 2 so far.

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  • Profile picture of the author NerdGary
    Not all of them rich... obviously..

    But maybe ones that use .ORG's for marketing, or autoblogging, and are not used for its purpose.

    All we know is that google is on the prowl... Hard to say who they are going after.
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    • Profile picture of the author oneplusone
      Originally Posted by NerdGary View Post

      Not all of them rich... obviously..

      But maybe ones that use .ORG's for marketing, or autoblogging, and are not used for its purpose.

      All we know is that google is on the prowl... Hard to say who they are going after.
      Gary, this thread is in the wrong section dude ...

      http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...appearing.html

      This thread will probably get deleted, moved or locked by one of the mods sooner or later.

      If you want to know why your sites are moving around I'd recommend checking out Caliban Darklock's SEO guide ...

      http://www.warriorforum.com/warrior-...ally-want.html

      He was a former search engine developer so you can take what he says seriously.

      Once you've read his SEO guide, you'll know exactly what is going on when your sites move about and what to do about it, instead of freaking out like most people.
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    • Profile picture of the author Nicola Lane
      Originally Posted by NerdGary View Post

      All we know is that google is on the prowl... Hard to say who they are going after.
      Actually it is quite easy.

      Google is after people who are trying to game the system to get crap to the top of the rankings.

      Google is after crap!

      Google is after any page that makes a searcher say "Why in the hell did the search engine think this page would be at all useful/relevant? It is crap!"

      From the google blog
      Our goal is simple: to give people the most relevant answers to their queries as quickly as possible.
      If your page doesn't help them achieve that - they are going after you!

      Depending on the tactics you use it might take them some time to get to you. But they will - eventually.

      Play the long game - provide a good user experience, and build your site ranking with sustainable methods and you don't need to be scared that google will suddenly slap you.

      Make sure that your site doesn't depend on Google for traffic and you are doing even better.
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  • Profile picture of the author Traffic Eagle
    I've just had a look at my only .ORG domain site and it's still on page 1 of google and has now climbed to number 4 - yippee!
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  • Profile picture of the author matt5409
    despite what a lot of people here seem to think, i refuse to believe that google ranks a website based on it's domain extension. in the case of the OP I expect it was something to do with the sites themselves that google didn't like... certainly not the domains.
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  • Profile picture of the author GeorgR.
    This thread is full of speculation and wrong statements.
    "everybody knows .orgs rank faster"....."google is killing all .org domains now"

    Where you get all this silly "information" from? It's all wrong.
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    • Profile picture of the author darrenmonroe
      Originally Posted by GeorgR. View Post

      This thread is full of speculation and wrong statements.
      "everybody knows .orgs rank faster"....."google is killing all .org domains now"

      Where you get all this silly "information" from? It's all wrong.
      But GerogR it must be true aferall isnt innuendo and hearsay factual information on the "internet?"

      (laughing) enough sarcasm AGREED.
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  • Profile picture of the author Capitalist_Pig
    Are you using article marketing to drive SE traffic? If so, the reduction in ranking for article directories could have hit your site as a second-order impact. If they aren't ranking as well, their links have less "Juice" to pass to your site.

    This is just another case of "don't put all your eggs in one basket". I primarily use blog commenting right now, but I would never base a business around it alone. It wouldn't be hard at all to change the weighting so that links higher on the page get exponentially more Juice than links farther down - thus killing blog commenting.
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    • Profile picture of the author GeorgR.
      Originally Posted by Capitalist_Pig View Post

      Are you using article marketing to drive SE traffic? If so, the reduction in ranking for article directories could have hit your site as a second-order impact. If they aren't ranking as well, their links have less "Juice" to pass to your site.

      This is just another case of "don't put all your eggs in one basket". I primarily use blog commenting right now, but I would never base a business around it alone. It wouldn't be hard at all to change the weighting so that links higher on the page get exponentially more Juice than links farther down - thus killing blog commenting.
      This actually remains to be seen (still) whether the ranking drops ALSO affect the strength of their backlinks.
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  • Profile picture of the author Chris Worner
    Hello NerdGary,

    I think you should change nerd, to silly.

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  • Profile picture of the author mejohn
    My .orgs are doing just fine, along with all my other domains, both micro niche & authority.
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  • Profile picture of the author IM Ash
    Originally Posted by NerdGary View Post

    Ok so I noticed a bout a dozen of my .ORG sites (which we're all placed on page 1 of google) are not even in the top 10 pages.

    This was kind of a "loop hole" i've been using for some time to get my domains ranked faster and higher.

    Google recently made significant changes to their search algorithm...

    And wondering if anyone else is noticing their .ORG domains getting hit?

    Im glad to say that I only used those sites to promote other sites... and not relying on them for income directly. I feel bad for those who do.

    The only positive I see from this is that my .COM's that are still ranked high are worth a whole lot more.
    Gary,

    A few weeks ago 3 of my EMD's suddenly lost ranking and I naturally drew the conclusion that Google decreased the weightage place on EMD's in terms of ranking.

    Anyway, after hearing the experiences of another warrior which were contrary to mine I realized I foolishly drew a conclusion that had no bases.

    I think you are in the same boat as I was right now :p

    The last algo change dealt with on-page quality factors and judging from the fact that you use these .org sites to promote other sites I will assume you haven't published your best content on that site?

    Could this actually be the reason for your loss in rankings and not the domain extension?
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    • Profile picture of the author Delboy Trotter
      my .org was ranking #15-#20 and last 4-5 days it's on #8. no content updates or backlinks were made in past 3 weeks...
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      • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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        Originally Posted by Delboy Trotter View Post

        my .org was ranking #15-#20 and last 4-5 days it's on #8. no content updates or backlinks were made in past 3 weeks...
        And just imagine: "this time next year, Rodney ..."
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        • Profile picture of the author DireStraits
          Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

          And just imagine: "this time next year, Rodney ..."
          Au revoir,

          Yes, indeed. "He who dares, wins!"

          Bonjour.
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        • Profile picture of the author Delboy Trotter
          Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

          And just imagine: "this time next year, Rodney ..."


          only in case I start selling "Peckham's best: .org SEO strategy eBook"
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  • Profile picture of the author iAmNameLess
    So lets be a bit blunt about this.... .org isn't the problem, I think those "loopholes" that you get ranked by, are the problem.
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  • Profile picture of the author Jordan Kovats
    Hmph...I guess .ca's got a boost because mine rose. Then again, one of them dropped a position so maybe .ca's are just neutral, or 'even steven'. The only "loophole' in SEO is knowledge and work.

    The Overstock.com thing may or may not have anything to do with .edu's. It was just information in the article. What it did have to do with was contextual links that were on .edu sites. It could have been .com's, .net's, .ca's, .whatevers. Just remember, reporters tend to write with fluff and fill in mind. Just becasue it is in the article, doesn't make it relevant.
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  • Profile picture of the author Chris Munch
    It's not .org related. It is more likely down to the fact that all your .org sites had a similar strategy, one which Google didn't like.

    To see the sorts of sites that have been hit go here:
    http://www.warriorforum.com/adsense-...ings-drop.html

    This will help you see if your sites share any similarities.
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  • Profile picture of the author alanmaster4
    my .org site working properly. i think some of sites which are do spam that sites are hits most.
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