Ezine nofollow. Are they kidding me?

13 years ago

Short Answer: They, unfortunately, rethought their position, and returned the links to DoFollow.

If you focussed on creating content for human beings that got syndicated, then this would be of no concern to you.

The new quality control policies are being discussed here: http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...mediately.html

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CraigRC

13 years ago

Originally Posted by Chris Worner

Short Answer: They, unfortunately, rethought their position, and returned the links to DoFollow.

If you focussed on creating content for human beings that got syndicated, then this would be of no concern to you.

The new quality control policies are being discussed here: http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...mediately.html

Chris

Exactly right.

Until they man-up and remove the backlinking incentive they'll continue to be a target for dedicated backlinking submissions purely to game the search engines...which is exactly what got them to this point.

For the true writers, syndication OUTSIDE the churn-and-burn article directories needs to be the new focus. Expand outside your comfort zone, network with Ezine publishers, and get your content in front of people who want it.

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JamesJeffery 13 years ago

What's wrong with submitting quality articles and gaining link juice at the same time? I'm a little shocked people assume those using dofollow links are submitting poor articles.

Your forgetting a lot of writers do this including myself.
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Mawardee(A)

13 years ago

Originally Posted by JamesJeffery

I just noticed ezine now convert your links to no follow. Is it just me or do you think it's ridiculous? It's us writers that make ezine what it is, so I feel they should allow us to get some link juice in return for our effort. Anyone agree?

Yes I understand it's to stop seo Spammers but it affects the majority of legitimate users.

Oh, my god! Is it true?

That's the worst thing Ezine have done.

Yes, I am totally agree with your opinion.

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SeanSupplee

13 years ago

If you dont like the changes ezine is doing there are PLENTY of other article directories to put your articles and on top of that writing on your own blog would have much more benefit.

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13 years ago

Originally Posted by SeanSupplee

If you dont like the changes ezine is doing there are PLENTY of other article directories to put your articles and on top of that writing on your own blog would have much more benefit.

Which one is the second/third best site for article marketing?

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Ernie Lo

13 years ago

I don't see why they even contemplated making the links no-follow..it has no bearing on the quality of the articles. A link is just a link after all.

The problem is that there quality control system sucks and is letting in the garbage.

Sure changing to no follow would cut down on a lot of the garbage articles, but it would also eliminate a lot of quality writers who would no longer submit to EZA.

It's a touchy subject I guess because eza was never created to offer seo benefits to authors but when most other directories offer do follow links, they are kind of shooting themselves in the foot if they don't offer the same.

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K_tir

13 years ago

IF they change to nofollow, they will lose too many. Most articles on Ezine are there just to generate link power.

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CraigRC

13 years ago

Originally Posted by K_tir

IF they change to nofollow, they will lose too many people submitting low-grade articles purely for backlinks. Most articles on Ezine are there just to generate link power.

Corrected that for you.

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K_tir 13 years ago

Originally Posted by CraigRC

Corrected that for you.

lol, I belive that almost 80% of all articles in there are "low-grade articles purely for backlinks".
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matt5409

13 years ago

all this crap about only low quality content being submitted for it's link purposes.

if i submit content i want to capitalise on it, and i'm sorry but linkjuice is just more powerful for me than a few clicks from EZA per month.

I target the UK market and EZA delivers me traffic from India, the US and Canada - never the UK. but I'm not bothered - it gives me backlinks - but if it doesn't do that any more I won't be submitting to them.

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WillR

13 years ago

Do you guys honestly think if Ezine changes their links to nofollow that it will affect any of the link juice coming at you from Ezine? I don't think Google pay as much attention to whether a link is follow or nofollow as most people think.

If I have a whole lot of links on my website pointing to external sites, obviously I have them on my site for a reason and they have something to do with the content on my site. For that reason Google are not going to just ignore those links because you put a nofollow tag next to them. This would manipulate the rankings which is not something Google is ever going to let you do.

In my opinion, a link is a link. It has a lot more to do with the site and the context in which the link is used rather than whether or not it has a follow or a nofollow tag next to it.

Google knows about all the links on Ezine. They are not just going to ignore them because the website owners put a nofollow tag next to them all of a sudden.

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13 years ago

Originally Posted by WillR

Do you guys honestly think if Ezine changes their links to nofollow that it will affect any of the link juice coming at you from Ezine? I don't think Google pay as much attention to whether a link is follow or nofollow as most people think.

If I have a whole lot of links on my website pointing to external sites, obviously I have them on my site for a reason and they have something to do with the content on my site. For that reason Google are not going to just ignore those links because you put a nofollow tag next to them. This would manipulate the rankings which is not something Google is ever going to let you do.

In my opinion, a link is a link. It has a lot more to do with the site and the context in which the link is used rather than whether or not it has a follow or a nofollow tag next to it.

i used to think exactly like that - don't worry about whether a link is nofollow or not - but i've seen enough videos by matt cutts that maintain that nofollow will not affect rankings.

and for me, at this point in time, the only thing i am concerned with is rankings.

i'm just glad they haven't added nofollow to all currently published articles...

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WillR

13 years ago

Originally Posted by matt5409

but i've seen enough videos by matt cutts that maintain that nofollow will not affect rankings.

So you are agreeing or you meant videos saying that nofollow DOES affect rankings?

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Chris Worner

13 years ago

Originally Posted by matt5409

all this crap about only low quality content being submitted for it's link purposes.

if i submit content i want to capitalise on it, and i'm sorry but linkjuice is just more powerful for me than a few clicks from EZA per month.

I target the UK market and EZA delivers me traffic from India, the US and Canada - never the UK. but I'm not bothered - it gives me backlinks - but if it doesn't do that any more I won't be submitting to them.

*Sigh* Here we go again....

You are very misguided, and your focus completely wrong.

What you should be placing more importance on is creating the kind of content that human beings would read and feel compelled to link to and share with other human beings, sending you loads of pre-qualified traffic for months, if not years to come, building up your websites authority from all the context relevant links pointing to your site, your personal reputation, and making you a tonne of cash.

EZA is merely the platform to get your content in front of ezine and blog owners looking for quality information to share with their readers(Which is what EZA was created to do)

Why you place so much importance on a crappy non-relevant article directory link(Like EZA) is an absolute mystery. Not to mention that in the long run, SEO is a losing game.

Making your business's bottom line dependent on a single entity is not the action of a smart business person.

Originally Posted by matt5409

i used to think exactly like that - don't worry about whether a link is nofollow or not - but i've seen enough videos by matt cutts that maintain that nofollow will not affect rankings.

and for me, at this point in time, the only thing i am concerned with is rankings.

i'm just glad they haven't added nofollow to all currently published articles...

*Facepalm* Read what I wrote above.

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JamesJeffery

13 years ago

Originally Posted by Chris Worner

*Sigh* Here we go again....

You are very misguided, and your focus completely wrong.

What you should be placing more importance on is creating the kind of content that human beings would read and feel compelled to link to and share with other human beings, sending you loads of pre-qualified traffic for months, if not years to come, building up your websites authority from all the context relevant links pointing to your site, your personal reputation, and making you a tonne of cash ....

Chris I think you are missing the point the point here. What he is trying to point out, is what I already said.

We, or at least I, create the kind of content humans want to read and share. I put a lot of effort into my articles and have a fantastic ezine account.

At the same time, I would also like some link juice from my hard work. A link in my bio pointing to one of my personal blogs to gain a backlink does not make me, or anyone else, poor writers or poor submitters. Which seems to be what you are trying to say here.

If I create a genuine product review, and want to link back to the niche related blog with other reviews so people can view similar products, but at the same time gain a backlink, does that make me a poor writer?

I write great articles. I get great traffic. A little thank you from ezine by allowing me to have a backlink was great. But the talk of them replacing them with nofollow is wrong. At least I feel it is.

Granted, ezine wasn't intended to be used as a backlink builder, and that IS NOT the reason why I use it, but it's an added bonus. Facebook didn't start out as an applications platform but the success of facebook can be attributed to that and they made changes, as such they allowed developers to make money from their apps and people are now millionaires because Facebook allowed developers to use advertisements in their applications (something which they were strict about in the beginning). Lots of developers abuse this privilege from Facebook to force users to complete CPA offers to play a game, but Facebook don't ban the whole community from using advertisements. They just delete the app.

The above is not the same, but I am just saying, a little thank you gift for our efforts its nothing much to ask for right? A backlink, or a few, from ezine is powerful.

Ezine has a number of rules in place that weed out poor articles, so removing dofollow seems a bit silly as these spam articles shouldn't get through anyway.

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Chris Worner

13 years ago

Originally Posted by JamesJeffery

Chris I think you are missing the point the point here. What he is trying to point out, is what I already said.

*Facepalm*

We, or at least I, create the kind of content humans want to read and share. I put a lot of effort into my articles and have a fantastic ezine account.

Of course you do, every person who submits an article to EZA, whether 250 words, or 3000 words. :rolleyes:

At the same time, I would also like some link juice from my hard work. A link in my bio pointing to one of my personal blogs to gain a backlink does not make me, or anyone else, poor writers or poor submitters. Which seems to be what you are trying to say here.

*Mega sigh*

Are you actually saying, that if EZA could guarantee you that your content would get mass syndicated to 100s of relevant websites, making you a tonne of money, just by submitting there, that you would ignore them over a crappy NoFollow link?

Oh good lord *Facepalm*

If you were actually a successful article marketer whose content, actually got syndicated, you wouldn't give a crap about whether EZA's links were DoFollow or not, as the SEO benefit(As well as traffic benefit) from having your article syndicated to context relevant websites as a result of posting it to EZA in the first place, would reap far greater long term benefit.

If I create a genuine product review, and want to link back to the niche related blog with other reviews so people can view similar products, but at the same time gain a backlink, does that make me a poor writer?

Newsflash, EZA was not intended to be used as a link factory, it was meant to be a place where people could submit their best content in the hopes it would be picked up by other publishers and syndicated.

I write great articles. I get great traffic. A little thank you from ezine by allowing me to have a backlink was great. But the talk of them replacing them with nofollow is wrong. At least I feel it is.

See above.

They are doing you a favor, not the other way around.

Granted, ezine wasn't intended to be used as a backlink builder, and that IS NOT the reason why I use it, but it's an added bonus. Facebook didn't start out as an applications platform but the success of facebook can be attributed to that and they made changes, as such they allowed developers to make money from their apps and people are now millionaires because Facebook allowed developers to use advertisements in their applications (something which they were strict about in the beginning). Lots of developers abuse this privilege from Facebook to force users to complete CPA offers to play a game, but Facebook don't ban the whole community from using advertisements. They just delete the app.

Completely irrelevant.

The above is not the same, but I am just saying, a little thank you gift for our efforts its nothing much to ask for right? A backlink, or a few, from ezine is powerful.

You should be thanking EZA for accepting your content and giving you the opportunity to have it syndicated. Not them thanking you.

You have a very bad case of entitlement mentality.

Ezine has a number of rules in place that weed out poor articles, so removing dofollow seems a bit silly as these spam articles shouldn't get through anyway.

I am not even going to bother commenting on this statement........

Honest to god, no wonder so many people eventually fail at article marketing.

Chris

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JamesJeffery 13 years ago

@Chris Worner your complete lack of understand and disrespect towards other members is out of order. You're obviously attempting to undermine other members and push their views aside to make yourself heard and correct.

You can't expect to get a point across with such language and attitude.

Don't even attempt to assume you know me, or how successful my approach is. Why do you assume I am failing at article marketing? Who said that?
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niffybranco

13 years ago

From my personal testing and experience a no-follow link will give you a boost in serps but will not pass page rank onto your page. Say you get a link on a pr6 page that is no follow it will definitely boost your serp but it will not increase your page rank. That is one of the reasons why a webpage with low pagerank can rank higher than a webpage with higer pagerank even though they are competing for the same keyword.

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WillR

13 years ago

Originally Posted by niffybranco

From my personal testing and experience a no-follow link will give you a boost in serps but will not pass page rank onto your page. Say you get a link on a pr6 page that is no follow it will definitely boost your serp but it will not increase your page rank. That is one of the reasons why a webpage with low pagerank can rank higher than a webpage with higer pagerank even though they are competing for the same keyword.

That makes the most sense. Too many people still believe that if a link is "nofollow" they will not be getting any advantage from that link or because a link is "follow" they definitely will be getting some advantage from that link.

What you said is exactly right. Regardless of follow or nofollow you are still going to get the same advantage/disadvantage from having that link.

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PatriciaJ

13 years ago

I don't care if they do change them to nofollow because I doubt it makes any difference. Articles base has been nofollow for as long as I can remember and I do well with them, get my articles syndicated more too which is what I would rather have because the link juice is better from the sites that articles are syndicated to.

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13 years ago

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13 years ago

Originally Posted by semmyw

Hi I got an interesting article form Jonathan Leger

Google vs. Content Farms « Jonathan Leger

Jonathan Ledger advises people not to post the same article on their website and a third party property such as an Article Durectory. But instead to spin in. An interesting view point.

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Allen Graves

13 years ago

Originally Posted by mailey

Jonathan Ledger advises people not to post the same article on their website and a third party property such as an Article Durectory. But instead to spin in. An interesting view point.

As much as it would be in my own best personal interest to agree with Jonathan - I just don't. Not yet, anyway.

I have been following Jonathan since I started in IM and have had great success using his products and following his advice (and lead), I just think it's too soon to say what will work and what won't. That's just the way I roll.

Jonathan aside, I've seen a lot of one-sided, dare I say "convenient", opinion on the whole algorithm change by folks all over the Internet the last couple of days, and quite frankly, there hasn't been enough time to test things out here.

Sure one way may apparently work based on immediate algorithmic results, but how can anyone say that something doesn't work yet? There hasn't been enough time for appropriate testing! Theories are fine, but they should be presented as such.

Testing which articles are working and which aren't will require a great deal of articles and statistical data, along with a highly analytical mind and, above all, time. And there are only a very small group of people who have access to 3 of the 4 of the above. None of us have had the time yet.

Just rambling now. LOL I hope I didn't make anyone angry.

Good luck and KEEP WRITING!

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Liam Hamer

13 years ago

Originally Posted by WillR

Do you guys honestly think if Ezine changes their links to nofollow that it will affect any of the link juice coming at you from Ezine? I don't think Google pay as much attention to whether a link is follow or nofollow as most people think.

If I have a whole lot of links on my website pointing to external sites, obviously I have them on my site for a reason and they have something to do with the content on my site. For that reason Google are not going to just ignore those links because you put a nofollow tag next to them. This would manipulate the rankings which is not something Google is ever going to let you do.

In my opinion, a link is a link. It has a lot more to do with the site and the context in which the link is used rather than whether or not it has a follow or a nofollow tag next to it.

Google knows about all the links on Ezine. They are not just going to ignore them because the website owners put a nofollow tag next to them all of a sudden.

Beat me to it

No Follow = no link juice is a myth, pure and simple.

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matt5409

13 years ago

Originally Posted by Liam Hamer

Beat me to it

No Follow = no link juice is a myth, pure and simple.

how is that "pure and simple"?

Matt Cutts has said time and time again that nofollow links do not pass pagerank. they cause googlebot to STOP.

Unless you are referring to other search engines (which don't matter), that was an uninformed comment to make!

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Liam Hamer

13 years ago

Originally Posted by matt5409

how is that "pure and simple"?

Matt Cutts has said time and time again that nofollow links do not pass pagerank. they cause googlebot to STOP.

Unless you are referring to other search engines (which don't matter), that was an uninformed comment to make!

Because I think of the big picture. I also didn't mention anything about pagerank. What I'm saying is there are benefits gained from having both do follow and no follow links pointing at our sites. If you think Google completely discounts them, then fine. Similarly, if you think each individual article you submit to EZA gives you significant link juice, then fine.

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matt5409

13 years ago

Originally Posted by Liam Hamer

Because I think of the big picture. I also didn't mention anything about pagerank. What I'm saying is there are benefits gained from having both do follow and no follow links pointing at our sites. If you think Google completely discounts them, then fine. Similarly, if you think each individual article you submit to EZA gives you significant link juice, then fine.

don't get me wrong, if I had the option of a nofollow link, or simply no link, I would choose the former.

just in the context of this argument I would prefer to see EZA pass linkjuice than not.

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JamesJeffery

13 years ago

Originally Posted by Liam Hamer

Beat me to it

No Follow = no link juice is a myth, pure and simple.

Here you go:

Does Google recommend the use of nofollow internally as a positive method for controlling the flow of internal link love? A) Yes - webmasters can feel free to use nofollow internally to help tell Googlebot which pages they want to receive link juice from other pages
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(Matt's precise words were: The nofollow attribute is just a mechanism that gives webmasters the ability to modify PageRank flow at link-level granularity. Plenty of other mechanisms would also work (e.g. a link through a page that is robot.txt'ed out), but nofollow on individual links is simpler for some folks to use. There's no stigma to using nofollow, even on your own internal links; for Google, nofollow'ed links are dropped out of our link graph; we don't even use such links for discovery. By the way, the nofollow meta tag does that same thing, but at a page level.)

Taken from: Matt Cutts on Nofollow, Links-Per-Page and the Value of Directories | SEOmoz

I'm sure there are more sources.

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Mike Anthony

13 years ago

Originally Posted by Liam Hamer

Beat me to it

No Follow = no link juice is a myth, pure and simple.

Ah the big Google Nofollow conspiracy theory raises its head again as it does every week on WF. Lee Harvey Oswald was the secret love love father of Matt cutts.

Google invented and implemented the no follow tag and then doesn't use it just to fool marketers. same people who are trying to cover up the true existence of bigfoot

Pure and simple your myth statement is the real myth

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13 years ago

Originally Posted by Mike Anthony

Ah the big Google Nofollow conspiracy theory raises its head again as it does every week on WF. Lee Harvey Oswald was the secret love love father of Matt cutts.

Google invented and implemented the no follow tag and then doesn't use it just to fool marketers. same people who are trying to cover up the true existence of bigfoot

Pure and simple your myth statement is the real myth

Weekly? I think it is closer to daily. And I understand I am probably in the minority as well that I don't believe nofollow links are worthless.

Regardless of the actual truth of this, I still go after nofollow links for variety and I have a few that are golden and I get great traffic from them. But to me, I'd rather be getting traffic than worry about whether a link is nofollow or not.

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Vasuu 13 years ago

Originally Posted by WillR

I don't think Google pay as much attention to whether a link is follow or nofollow as most people think.

Mattcutts recently clarified that Google spiders ignore links attributed with "NoFollow".
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- niffybranco 13 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by Vasuu
  
  Mattcutts recently clarified that Google spiders ignore links attributed with "NoFollow".
  
  Google counts links as votes that has always been the main factor they consider when ranking sites. With the increase of social interaction by internet users the input of ordinary people and how they link to sites through article submissions, blog posts, status updates is something google cannot ignore.
  
  Ignoring no-follow links puts their whole ranking factor I.e backlinks in the hands of a few people namely webmasters who can decide to make their sites follow or no follow.
  
  Another thing to note is that other search engines do not recognize the no follow attribute, Bing had a 28% rise in traffic over the past year ignoring nofollow links is like ignoring that 28% + more.
  
  A link is a link is a link even if only one person clicks on it daily, it all ads up do not base your link strategy on just ranking on search engines, try and create links for people to click on, only google spiders read the no-follow attribute, real people with credit-cards do not.
  
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matt5409

13 years ago

@Chris

You clearly don't get what I said, so will say it again - "EZA delivers me traffic from India, the US and Canada - never the UK".

I have over 100 published articles, most of it reprinted from other sources I've written for. I get a steady trickle - this traffic is NOT pre-qualified. Google is by FAR the biggest source of targeted traffic for my market.

EZA or any other directory for that matter stands absolutely zero chance of delivering anything like the potential that Google does - so therefore my reasons for submitting to them is 99% backlink/SEO purposes.

I agree that building a website on the whims of Google is not a good idea, which is why I have many websites in case one or more drop. I also utilise local directories and other sources to draw traffic but guess what - NONE of them compare to what Google delivers.

It's all well and good to sit back with a smirk and say "well I have multiple sources", but I'll bet that even you can admit that Google is still your number 1.

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Chris Worner

13 years ago

Originally Posted by matt5409

@Chris

You clearly don't get what I said, so will say it again - "EZA delivers me traffic from India, the US and Canada - never the UK".

You know, if you join their premium membership, you can geo-target your article.

I have over 100 published articles, most of it reprinted from other sources I've written for. I get a steady trickle - this traffic is NOT pre-qualified. Google is by FAR the biggest source of targeted traffic for my market.

If the visitors that visit your website from sources that have syndicated your content aren't pre-qualified after reading your content, then I am sorry to say, that doesn't say much about the quality of your articles.(The website as well, if it is not relevant)

Also, your going to need to create a lot more than 100 articles to see real results.

EZA or any other directory for that matter stands absolutely zero chance of delivering anything like the potential that Google does - so therefore my reasons for submitting to them is 99% backlink/SEO purposes.

You create content that waffles around a keyword to please Google? I'm not surprised what little visitors you get from your syndicated content, are not pre-qualified.

I agree that building a website on the whims of Google is not a good idea, which is why I have many websites in case one or more drop. I also utilise local directories and other sources to draw traffic but guess what - NONE of them compare to what Google delivers.

Read my 2 responses above.

Unless you are in some exceptionally obscure niche, you are doing something wrong.

It's all well and good to sit back with a smirk and say "well I have multiple sources", but I'll bet that even you can admit that Google is still your number 1.

Google accounts for just under 10% of the total traffic to my various websites. So while it does form the single largest referer on its own, my business is not reliant on Google, so even if Google blew up and no longer existed, the damage, minimal at most.

In fact, I'd be jumping up and down with glee, as my competition, people like yourself who make themselves dependent on Google, would have been eliminated instantly.

Respectfully
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Barry Unruh

13 years ago

Originally Posted by Chris Worner

Google accounts for just under 10% of the total traffic to my various websites. So while it does form the single largest referer on its own, my business is not reliant on Google, so even if Google blew up and no longer existed, the damage, minimal at most.

In fact, I'd be jumping up and down with glee, as my competition, people like yourself who make themselves dependent on Google, would have been eliminated instantly.

Respectfully
Chris

Chris,

I agree with almost everything you have said in this thread, but these statements are on the verge of insanity.

While YOU may not be reliant on Google, the people using your content probably are. If their sites go down the tubes on Google, your readership, your clicks, and your sales are going to decrease right along with them.

All you, or myself as far as that goes, have accomplished by creating a syndication list is moving ourselves one additional step away from Google.

Even if 90% of your traffic happens through newsletters, it would be unwise to believe the newsletter publishers do not count on Google for a majority of their new readership.

I'll buy everything else you said in this thread, but I KNOW without a doubt, if my syndication partners take a major hit on Google it will affect me. When their readership drops, so will mine.

Take care,

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matt5409

13 years ago

@Chris

do you know how much money EZA makes from us submitting our content?

and you think they're helping us? granted - they are - it's a mutual relationship turned a little sour by adding nofollow.

*facepalm* if you can't see this side of the argument :S

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Liam Hamer

13 years ago

Originally Posted by matt5409

@Chris

do you know how much money EZA makes from us submitting our content?

and you think they're helping us? granted - they are - it's a mutual relationship turned a little sour by adding nofollow.

*facepalm* if you can't see this side of the argument :S

Didn't Chris say in the 2nd post in this thread that they rethought their decision and returned them to do follow again? If so, I don't think this is worth getting stressed out over.

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matt5409

13 years ago

Originally Posted by Liam Hamer

Didn't Chris say in the 2nd post in this thread that they rethought their decision and returned them to do follow again? If so, I don't think this is worth getting stressed out over.

lol, tbh i havent even submitted to them in a couple of weeks...

a part of me just loves to argue.

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Liam Hamer 13 years ago

Originally Posted by matt5409

lol, tbh i havent even submitted to them in a couple of weeks...

a part of me just loves to argue.

I can understand that, but in this business we are better off putting our energy(whether it's positive or negative) into our businesses
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- niffybranco 13 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by Liam Hamer
  
  I can understand that, but in this business we are better off putting our energy(whether it's positive or negative) into our businesses
  
  Sometimes you just need to take a break from work n argue
  
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JamesJeffery

13 years ago

Ok guys and girls, this thread has turned into a massive, yet pointless, debate where people are making far to many assumptions, some being totally off topic.

I wish you all success. I will no longer be reading or commenting on this thread.

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Allen Graves

13 years ago

A couple of questions:

Does nobody else get direct, targeted, consuming traffic from EZA?
Does nobody else publish their articles on OTHER websites?
Who cares if there's a tag on the link???

My personal answers:

I do, although it has dwindled over the last few days, the clickthroughs are still coming and they are prequalified, targeted consumers. And after all, aren't conversions the end result that we're all after?

If you have only been publishing at EZA, then not only have you been leaving a crapload of money on the table over the last few years, you are now feeling the effects of putting all your eggs in that one damn basket. Wouldn't the tiny bit of extra work been worth it?

From a link building perspective, if you are submitting articles to article directories for backlinking purposes, then I would suggest you take a few moments and rethink your strategy. The game is changing, ("times change, rules change") but true article marketing hasn't changed a bit in the last several years - it has simply been overshadowed and critically skewed by people abusing the repositories to get backlinks...which is not the purpose article marketing. Backlinks are simply a by-product. Whether or not there is a tag on the link doesn't matter to the true article marketers out there.

Good luck and KEEP WRITING!
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matt5409

13 years ago

@Chris they're not targeted because they're from the wrong damned country! the information relevance is exactly right, which is why my CTR is above 4%.

Can't believe you're naive to think you don't need google. how do you think people find your other sources in the first place? lol

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Chris Worner

13 years ago

Originally Posted by matt5409

@Chris they're not targeted because they're from the wrong damned country! the information relevance is exactly right, which is why my CTR is above 4%.

My CTR is a little over 20%, even from China.

Can't believe you're naive to think you don't need google. how do you think people find your other sources in the first place? lol

If my memory is correct, many people were making big $$$ long before Google ever existed, let alone gained any prominence. Have you heard of the pornography industry? (Thats just one of many examples)

I would say that you, are the naive one my friend. So LOL at you.

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matt5409

13 years ago

Originally Posted by Chris Worner

My CTR is a little over 20%, even from China.

If my memory is correct, many people were making big $$$ long before Google ever existed, let alone gained any prominence. Have you heard of the pornography industry? (Thats just one of many examples)

I would say that you, are the naive one my friend. So LOL at you.

Chris

pft, Google, lycos, altavista, ask jeeves - as soon as there were web pages, there were places to search them.

if you think you can get by in this age without relying on search to fund you, you're mistaken. even IF you have a solid number of other sources, they still need to be found. give it up. you're not kidding anyone.

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Apollo-Articles

13 years ago

Theres so much conflicting information buzzing around at the moment, so to confirm, are the links on ezine no follow or not?

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JamesJeffery

13 years ago

Originally Posted by Apollo-Articles

Theres so much conflicting information buzzing around at the moment, so to confirm, are the links on ezine no follow or not?

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After checking, they are dofollow. At least the link in my resource box are.

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Allen Graves

13 years ago

Chris Knight spoke about it in his blog on Friday, I believe, but said they were going to wait to make that decision.

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abs007 13 years ago

Yeh checked mine too and they are still do follow - really hope they dont change
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seobro

13 years ago

There is on Fiverr this guy. He will put an article on eza. All he wants is your five dollars sent to him and you get some link juice. What do you think the quality of his article is. Hey, there use to be a guy selling 100 wso for five bux, but they got rid of that one. It reminds me of gold farmers on wow.

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madmike133

13 years ago

Thats why Ezine are PR6. In addition they got clobbered by Google with a visabillity index loss of: 58.4273 Sistrix percentage loss of - 90%

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iAmNameLess

13 years ago

Originally Posted by matt5409

how is that "pure and simple"?

Matt Cutts has said time and time again that nofollow links do not pass pagerank. they cause googlebot to STOP.

Unless you are referring to other search engines (which don't matter), that was an uninformed comment to make!

WOW! First off you are uninformed if you think other search engines don't matter, I make about 5 grand a month with a site that is only ranked high in BING!!

Secondly, Matt Cutts has said that you're right, but it just isn't true. The googlebot does not STOP, it still crawls. It doesn't pass PAGE RANK, but it does INCREASE SERPs.

Originally Posted by Vasuu

Mattcutts recently clarified that Google spiders ignore links attributed with "NoFollow".

Yes, also clarified that duplicate content is a penalty, that only unique and quality content will do well. Obviously that isn't entirely true, autoblogs rising up, duplicate content won't be implemented, syndication and going viral are things that happen now. You can't punish for that. You go ahead and go for links that aren't nofollow, without adding variety, and avoiding chances to get tons of traffic and increase in SERPs and leave the good ones for me. I'm fine with that.

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Chris,

I agree with almost everything you have said in this thread, but these statements are on the verge of insanity.

No, actually Chris has it right, he is one of the few people on here that really understand success. If your business is going to die with an algo change, you are not independent. I feel sorry for everyone that is depending on google for their paychecks. You shouldn't have all your eggs in one basket.

Start building a list, so you have something to fall back on.

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tedwood

13 years ago

Ezine made a bad mistake mentioning the noFollow attribute or to even consider it. They knew this would be a big concern for webmasters, so why did they even have to mention it!? I know they want to stop the whopping they're getting from Google but being honest it was their own fault by plastering advertising everywhere.
I think 2011 is really a year where webmasters HAVE to stop putting out terrible content and really think about how it's going to benefit their readers. People hear this advice over and over but still don't listen. :confused:

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whateverpedia

13 years ago

What a futile argument this thread has turned into.

Whether the links are no or dofollow is pretty much irrelevant as most articles on EZA, and other sites are going to have a PR of 0 anyway.

Just because EZA itself has a PR6, your article(s) is/are going to be PR0, so that is how much pagerank "juice" is going to be passed onto your target site.

The only advantage EZA has is that the search engines regularly visit the site and therefore will eventually find your site as well, irrespective of whether the link to your site is no- or dofollow.

Remember that - the pagerank passed on from dofollow links is the pagreank of that particular page, not the pagerank of the domain itself.

Now, you can continue arguing :rolleyes: :p

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Allen Graves

13 years ago

Originally Posted by whateverpedia

the pagerank passed on from dofollow links is the pagreank of that particular page, not the pagerank of the domain itself.

I can't say whether this is true or not, because I don't have access to Google's algorithms code

- but you should also remember (and I speculate) that the juice coming from that page is also split between the outgoing links on that page.

Some may get more than others depending on their location, anchor text, repetitiveness, etc...

So while we're on EZA - have you counted how many outgoing links are on their article pages? Another reason why this thread could be considered useless.

Good luck and KEEP WRITING!
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Dumkist

13 years ago

I just don't understand why people would want to post more than one article on ezine articles anyway..no matter how many you add you will only get credit from one link...and personally I never did like ezine articles..to many places to get links why go thew all the bs just for a link..why help someone build their adsense Income...go build your own !...stop making them rich !

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niffybranco

13 years ago

Originally Posted by Dumkist

I just don't understand why people would want to post more than one article on ezine articles anyway..no matter how many you add you will only get credit from one link...and personally I never did like ezine articles..to many places to get links why go thew all the bs just for a link..why help someone build their adsense Income...go build your own !...stop making them rich !

If you are someone who puts their money in a bank then all you said is hypocritical.

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