How I ranked my website with 70.000 searches/month in 4 days to page1

14 years ago

Always useful to see a formula spelled out, can you give us a hint as to how much the outsourced work cost? (or how long it will take for revenues will pay it off)

Did you have to get an aged domain to carry the inlink flood.

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seoman76

Banned 14 years ago

Originally Posted by webapex

Always useful to see a formula spelled out, can you give us a hint as to how much the outsourced work cost? (or how long it will take for revenues will pay it off)

Did you have to get an aged domain to carry the inlink flood.

I spent about $50,- in total, see OP.

I might have needed an aged domain but I just took the risk, this is the first website in a line of 50 sites that I want to launch, so I am looking for a fast effective way. If my site drops in the ranking after a month then I know this isn't the way. Otherwise it will make my work a lot easyer.

It seems like it's a lot of links but it's immensily well mixed. Like changed in OP I would take 1* 250/2500 linkpyramid less and I would leave out the 700* directory submissions. That should help preventing to get penalized by Google.

To keep up with the linkbuilding I am thinking about buying 1* $5,- package on monthly base so it doesnt drop dead totally after a month as that would look even more unnatural. I think that's where most people go wrong. Massive linkboost turns into 0 links added after a while.

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Bozigian 14 years ago

Hey seoman.
I am sorta new in SEO>

the list that you had to get to number 1 on google. Are they all white hat?
Sorry if my questions sounds dumb
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  Originally Posted by Bozigian
  
  Hey seoman.
  I am sorta new in SEO>
  
  the list that you had to get to number 1 on google. Are they all white hat?
  Sorry if my questions sounds dumb
  
  Well what is whitehat, I am sure these guys used bots to submit to these sites, I dont know if that really is spamming as its allowed to place links at all these sites, most need to be approved or have auto approve turned on.
  
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seoman76

Banned 14 years ago

Additional tips:

Is your URL already taken?

Make it keywordx.com or keyword1.com instead of keyword.com

Wanna check your competition? Take this into account:

+1 PR3+
+1 Backlinks more then 2000
+1 Age of domain older then 3 years
+1 Keyword in main URL
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Total points 4? Forget it!

Where do I check this Pagerank, Age of domain and number of backlinks?

Download Mozilla Firefox and google for the SEOQuake Plugin. This will give you all the data you need. It's FREE. This in combination with Google Adwords Traffic Estimator gives you the same data as tools like Market Samurai and/or Micro Niche Finder do while that programs cost money. Once your used to Google's tools and the SEOQuake plugin it even works faster!

Chart of how much % of clickers click your link in different positions at Page 1 in Google!

- Position1: gets 50% of clicks
- Position2: gets 25% of clicks
- Position3: gets 10% of clicks
- Position4: gets 5% of clicks
- Position5: gets 3% of clicks
- Position6: gets 2% of clicks
- Position7: gets 1% of clicks
- Position8: gets 1% of clicks
- Position9: gets 3% of clicks

Need to buy market samurai or micro niche finder?

No, you can login at Google Adworse that gives you a traffic estimator and keyword suggestor for free, and you can also filter on a few things.

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arttse

14 years ago

Your percentages are all messed up.

They need to add up to 100...not 160.

Originally Posted by seoman76

Page1
- Position1: gets 65% of clicks
- Position2: gets 35% of clicks
- Position3: gets 20% of clicks
- Position4: gets 15% of clicks
- Position5: gets 10% of clicks
- Position6: gets 5% of clicks
- Position7: gets 4% of clicks
- Position8: gets 3% of clicks
- Position9: gets 2% of clicks
- Position10: gets 1% of clicks

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ShaLiam

14 years ago

Originally Posted by arttse

Your percentages are all messed up.

They need to add up to 100...not 160.

Remeber those are euro percentages:p.

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14 years ago

Originally Posted by seoman76

Hi,

Sorry I wont send out my url anymore, to many people like the 70k searches/month too much and I dont need any more competition.

Cheers!

Originally Posted by ShaLiam

Hey seoman76 would like to checkout your site please reply with a link

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Easy come easy snow:confused:

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Originally Posted by ShaLiam

Easy come easy snow:confused:

It wasn't that easy, I spent about 40hrs on a list of 200 profitable keywords for different niches. I then ranked them on number of searches/month. This 70k keyword came out as nr1.

My second best keyword has 34.000 searches/month so I guess I found a pretty unique (though non buying) keyword with low competition.
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Spartacus

14 years ago

Originally Posted by seoman76

Wanna check your competition? Take this into account:

+1 PR3+
+1 Backlinks more then 2000
+1 Age of domain older then 3 years
+1 Keyword in main URL
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Total points 4? Forget it!

Challenge accepted! Fellow dutchman.

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Originally Posted by Spartacus

Challenge accepted! Fellow dutchman.

The dutchmen are all over the place, just like the old pirate days Btw on that little chart I would say 3+ points is a No Go. Seems harder then I thought in first place.
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almondj 14 years ago

Originally Posted by seoman76

B]Total spent $47,-[/B]

You spent $47 and got these kind of results!?!?!? Holly crap! Please send me what you bought and who you bought it from. Thanks!
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advancedyn

14 years ago

SEOMan, I would love to check out your site. I tried to PM you but apparently, I'm too new. If you would like to PM your site to me, I would greatly appreciate it.

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Originally Posted by seoman76

Fiverr.com - all kind of webservices for $5 only (in fact the same services that lots of people offer here for $15+)

Odesk.com -hire Phillipines for $1 - $3 an hour

Total spent $47,-

Total links indexed: 22 (dont beleive the crap that your links have to be indexed to count, Google knows your links and counts them as value, it just doesnt show them cause most are irrelevant, the Google way of filtering the search engine from crap).

Brand new domainname

BRUTE Force Yesss!

Ps: it seems like a lot of links but only 200 articles are approved, the massive linkpyramid package 250/2500, only 250 sites of each package link to my site, blogcommenting is kinda natural, social bookmarking as well. Add some real high PR profilelinks to it and some very relevant manual blog comments and Google will probably think your an immens popular site.

Key: Cause I ordered some of everything and didnt add any 5000x crappy backlink packages it turns out to be an extremely well mixed massively linkbuilding package.

The only thing I will skip next time is the 700 directory submissions as they are the only thing that appears extreme spammy. Oh btw the 200x social bookmarks arent processed yet, very slow worker I guess or maybe he/she quit that service.

Future work to stay high in the rankings: buy a $5 linkbuilding package once a month. As the socialbookmarks arent done yet and I also didnt do any web2.0 yet i could order that next month and just order anohter type of package each month and perhaps add 1 page to my site each month. All together that will probably take me 15minutes at most.

Wanna check out my site? PM me

I dont need massive competition as this went so easy

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dsbusiness23

14 years ago

SEOMan that sounds like an incredible strategy you used there. I honestly don't think brute force is even a strong enough word lol. Anyways very nice to see someone that got ridiculous results without an adwords campaign or did you use that too?

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14 years ago

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seoman76

Banned 14 years ago

Originally Posted by KatyaSenina

Great strategy but a pretty expensive one, if you had to outsource everything. Ps. leuk dat je nederlands bent

edit: heb zelf AMR gekocht maar kom lang niet in de buurt van jouw hoeveelheid backlinks.

What does AMR stand for again, I did buy an article submitter myself through clickbank but I requested a refund, only 1 type of site accepted my article and I wasn't really happy with that plus I had to fill in about 500-700 captcha's manually and that annoyed me a lot so I rather outsource my article submissions.

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seoman76

Banned 14 years ago

No Adwords or other pay for click method used. How long these these links stay? Idk, I think most will stay as most are probably cheapass websites that dont really care hence the autoapprove, autosubmit approves.

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seoman76

Banned 14 years ago

Thanks for the nice PM's, however since my postcount haven't exceeded 50 yet I am not allowed to reply back.

Yes few days ago I was sitting with a huge dilemma, the thing is I want to launch 50 sites with a target income of $30-$50 each. as 50 * 30 = $1500,- monthly (very nice for me).

But if I had to build link slowly, well the package don't come in small quantity's and if they came I would need to spent a lot more on each site, so to build slowly it would also take way too long and way too much organisation and I thought, nah I cant make money in such way OR different said: I am not prepared to take such long route. So I thought All or Nothing.

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seoman76

Banned 14 years ago

Oh ps: from german IP i am at page1 / position2 ( kinda useless)
from dutch IP i am at page1 / position4 (bit of a bummer)

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BishopMartin

14 years ago

Originally Posted by seoman76

Oh ps: from german IP i am at page1 / position2 ( kinda useless)
from dutch IP i am at page1 / position4 (bit of a bummer)

Not sure why you think thats a bummer.. your still making your $50/month and your site might actually eventually get to spot 2 and then you be making more..

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ibagayan 14 years ago

hi seoman76,

I am very new to this SEO, IM game and I am curious to know what your site is. I don't have PM rights yet, so if you could send it to me, it would be greatly appreciated.

I enjoyed your take on the backlinking techniques, they're great!

thanks for the post
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seoman76

Banned 14 years ago

Originally Posted by BishopMartin

Not sure why you think thats a bummer.. your still making your $50/month and your site might actually eventually get to spot 2 and then you be making more..

You got the right mindset to succes.

It was a llittle bit of a bummer cause I expected to multiply my visitors today, as I thought I ranked up to position2 at the end of yesterday. Then I logged into Adsense and saw the same visitors count (equally divivded over the day), but indeed the potential is still there and I am sure I will rank to this nr2 position overtime.

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Judge Groovyman

14 years ago

Originally Posted by seoman76

The reason is that within these 44 visitors I had 4 Adsense clicks of YESSSSS 0,96 EUROCENT each.

Thats almost 4 euro in half a day!!!! WOW, yes some people think what an idiot but keep in mind this is the 1st site of my 50 sites that I want to launch and I am as happy as a little child who gets his first icecream!

HUGE Props.

This is a fantastic achievement and is actually quite inspiring for me!

Originally Posted by seoman76

It was a llittle bit of a bummer cause I expected to multiply my visitors today, as I thought I ranked up to position2 at the end of yesterday. Then I logged into Adsense and saw the same visitors count (equally divivded over the day), but indeed the potential is still there and I am sure I will rank to this nr2 position overtime.

Don't let it get you down. Google loves to keep us marketers guessing. Try to remember the good feeling you had yesterday, the same feeling you had when you posted what I quoted just above, and just keep moving forward.

Question: Who provided your fiverr.com link pyramid. Mind sending me a link or posting it here?

Thanks for this thread, and BIG Congratulations!

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seoman76

Banned 14 years ago

Originally Posted by Judge Groovyman

HUGE Props.

This is a fantastic achievement and is actually quite inspiring for me!

Don't let it get you down. Google loves to keep us marketers guessing. Try to remember the good feeling you had yesterday, the same feeling you had when you posted what I quoted just above, and just keep moving forward.

Question: Who provided your fiverr.com link pyramid. Mind sending me a link or posting it here?

Thanks for this thread, and BIG Congratulations!

I forgot the name and I'm to lazy to go look for it right now, but it has a search button, just type in link pyramid and you'll find it within seconds.

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seoman76

Banned 14 years ago

For my next website I will do it as following:

- 1200x Article submissions (spinned articles)
- 200x Social bookmarks
- 250x Tier1 - 2750x Tier2 Link Pyramid
- 30x Web 2.0 Properties (blogs) PR6-7+ (spinned articles)
- 50x Relevant blogcomments
- 50x High PR sites (profile links / edu sites / twitter / facebook / youtube)

All together this package is a bit cheaper but it also requires some more manual work.

Of the 1200x article submissions probably only about 200-400 of them will be approved so I think all this together appears a lot less spammy. As you see I left out the 700x spammy directory submissions + the 500x spammy totally non relevant blog commenting.

Ps: Most Fiverr services take care of the spinning for you, if you want to spin manually and you find it too early to purchase a spinner program for $70+ then you can take a look at this site: http://simply-free-article-spinner.com/ it doesnt find synonyms for you though so thats the manual part.

Why I outsoucre for $50,- but dont want to spent $70+ for a spinning program? Well most of my sites are in dutch and all those buy products say they support dutch but there synonym list is very short, as I'm dutch myself it's very easy to come up with synonyms myself so it would be a waste of money to buy a program for that. The 1200x article submissions I'll just do in English and the outsourcer takes care of that.

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14 years ago

Originally Posted by seoman76

For my next website I will do it as following:

- 1200x Article submissions (spinned articles)
- 200x Social bookmarks
- 250x Tier1 - 2750x Tier2 Link Pyramid
- 30x Web 2.0 Properties (blogs) PR6-7+ (spinned articles)
- 50x Relevant blogcomments
- 50x High PR sites (profile links / edu sites / twitter / facebook / youtube)

Hey seoman,

I got thinking about your strategy yesterday and then I read this new post so it ties in with what I was thinking. You may get hit by google like some of the guys said for too much action all at once, I don't know. They may be right, they may be wrong. Either way, you will adjust your strategy accordingly and climb back in the rankings.

So, I was thinking about how to stay consistent with a program like yours so your site continuously gets action. I'm thinking every 7 to 10 days hire someone on fiverr for whatever action and then 10 days later do the next designated action. If you stuck with fiverr (and everybody did the job they agreed to) for backlinks and article submissions, your total costs would be $15 per month.

I am VERY interested in the 1200+ article submission but I'm gonna ask if they will try to drip feed my article to 10 - 30 directories a day instead of a mass dump. They may not be willing to do that but I will ask anyway.

Good thread!

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seoman76 Banned 14 years ago

Yes indeed, I decided to slow down a bit cause I have now over 1200 crappy links indexed that aren't helping as I dropped 1 spot, yes it's only 1 spot but since more is indexed I should have jumped 1 spot instead of drop.

I really think these 700x directory submission and 500x blogcomments are totally useless. Also 2x the same linkpyramid is a bit of a overkill so with this new plan it has a better mix ratio. Google loves a bit of everything, which includes the crappy links cause when you have a popular site anyone can link to you and that would mean a natural grow of crappy links as well.

I like your idea of taking 1 package each 10 days. I am about 99% sure he wont submit 30 article sites a day for only $5,- but it won't harm to ask ofcourse.

UPDATE: Today I added a second page with some more unique high relevant content cause 200 words is really not much, in this second page I linked twice to my mainpage and I might throw another linkpyramid for $5,- at this 2nd page.

Also I ordered a package for $5,- where the guy places a spinned article at 15x Web2.0 sites. I kinda missed that one cause I wanted to do it manually but I was lazy
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KatyaSenina

14 years ago

Originally Posted by seoman76

What does AMR stand for again, I did buy an article submitter myself through clickbank but I requested a refund, only 1 type of site excepted my article and I wasnt really happy with that plus I had to fill in about 500 captcha's manually and that annoyed me a lot so I rather outsource my article submission (1200 submission for $5) through a guy at Fiverr.com

Again guys Fiverr.com - all kind of linkbuilding/submission services for only $5 each. You cant ask higher prices at that site so there is a nice competition.

AMR = Article Marketing Robot, probably the best of its kind. I have yet to find a bad review here on WF, every marketer is so positive about it. Still have to try it myself though, just bought it yesterday.

ps. The guy who you're outsourcing to is probably using AMR himself, but I'm sure he won't reveal his secrets :p

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Stephen Crooks

14 years ago

The important thing here SEOman is that you took action and put your money where your mouth is. Many people don't get that far!

I am sure if you find that your site gets hit for taking a bit of a sledgehammer approach to the offpage SEO, you will learn from that and adapt your tactics for the next site you build.

On the point about webmaster tools, don't be afraid of it. There are a gazillion ways for Google to automatically track every activity of a site that we have no control over. Google chrome, Google toolbar are just two tools that give them valuable info.

Anyway, good luck with your site.

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seoman76

Banned 14 years ago

Thanks mate!

<Removed stupid question> It was about that I'm in doubt if I should go for kewyords with less exact keyphrases as I now only selected on a minimum of 4000 exact keyphrases a monht, but in fact thats a bit silly as the CPC is at least as important as well as how tough it is to rank, higher CPC in combination with less exact keyphrases=less competition mostly. Could bring in way more then a keyword with 5000 searches/month and a CPC of 0.50 accordign to Adwords and tought to rank so I might get stuck on position2/3

I should start redoing my keyword research. Better find out now then later.

PS I am urged to sign up for your bootcamp, but I am stubborn cause if I am able to all figure it out by myself I am more proud of myself lol! I must admit that I rate your service amongst one of the few better deals that are available but maybe it's just your clever use of words in the sales letter to convince people

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Stephen Crooks

14 years ago

Thats nice to know mate, thanks! You can always sign up for the 1 week free trial and see for yourself whether it is for you or not.

I think with your ability to take action coupled with some fine tuning it could potentially be a good combo for you.

Originally Posted by seoman76

Thanks mate!

PS I am urged to sign up for your bootcamp, but I am stubborn cause if I am able to all figure it out by myself I am more proud of myself lol! I must admit that I rate your service amongst one of the few better deals that are available but maybe it's just your clever use of words in the sales letter to convince people

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CraigRC

14 years ago

Certainly the definition of "brute force" ha, nice work.

Pro linkbuilding services are everywhere now, makes life so much easier when you can just pay someone to do it far better than you ever could. Thank god for talented people.

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WillR

14 years ago

I think hearing where your site is ranked in a few weeks or a month down the track is going to be the real key here. Some would say you went a little too hard out of the gates and if your site was not getting any traffic, that link building activity is going to look very unnatural/suspicious in the eyes of Google. How can that many people link to your site if your site is getting no traffic? It just doesn't look natural.

Anyway, let us know how you get on.

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Bozigian 14 years ago

Yeah, if its a new domain and already ranked number 1/ then it will appear suspicious in the eyes of google
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  Originally Posted by Bozigian
  
  Yeah, if its a new domain and already ranked number 1/ then it will appear suspicious in the eyes of google
  
  I didnt rank it to page1, Google is responsible for that
  
  Anyway this is my first site that I outsourced this heavily so for me its also an exciting thing to see what will happen in the next coming weeks. I will sure keep this thread updated.
  
  PS: I havent pinged or created RSS feeds for any of the links + my website has some outgoing nofollow links to real high authority sites plus my site really has something to offer, usefull content, a calculator for cartax, and a youtube video from the main customer protection service in my country. The sites that rank behind me are really simple boring plain txt sites that are really unattractive to visitors, I showed my own site to my friends/family/roommates and they were all highly impressed despite of the many ads that don't even disturb.
  
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seoman76

Banned 14 years ago

Originally Posted by WillR

I think hearing where your site is ranked in a few weeks or a month down the track is going to be the real key here. Some would say you went a little too hard out of the gates and if your site was not getting any traffic, that link building activity is going to look very unnatural/suspicious in the eyes of Google. How can that many people link to your site if your site is getting no traffic? It just doesn't look natural.

Anyway, let us know how you get on.

Does Google know that my site didnt get traffic before?

- I could have runned huge offline advertising campaigns.
- I could have sended out press releases.

Google can't track traffic that isn't running through there search engines can it? Apart of that I do agree it doesnt look natural

But it could be possible that I throwed a ton of money on promoting my site without Google, right?

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WillR

14 years ago

Originally Posted by seoman76

Does Google know that my site didnt get traffic before?

- I could have runned huge offline advertising campaigns.
- I could have sended out press releases.

You could have done all those things. But the fact is that many websites are not going to link to a website they have never visited. If you have Google Analytics installed on your site then they will know exactly how much traffic your site is or is not getting.

Even if you don't have Google Analytics I think they would have a fair idea of what sites are getting what type of traffic. There are enough people out there using Google Analytics that probably tells them all they need to know.

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Banned 14 years ago

Originally Posted by WillR

You could have done all those things. But the fact is that many websites are not going to link to a website they have never visited. If you have Google Analytics installed on your site then they will know exactly how much traffic your site is or is not getting.

Even if you don't have Google Analytics I think they would have a fair idea of what sites are getting what type of traffic. There are enough people out there using Google Analytics that probably tells them all they need to know.

You give us a Golden Advice here, never use Google Analytics, I heard something about that indeed but the reason I didnt use it was more cause I was lazy

but indeed, now I'm sure I will never use it, yeah maybe when my site is over 1 years old. (also i heard you should never use Google Webmaster Tools btw)

You would say that if Google dont like this kind of linkbuilding, then why didnt they adjust there software to never put me at page1 in the first place, it wouldn't be that hard for them, but instead they allow it to perhaps drop me back later on.

Bit odd but reality indeed, I wont denie a single thing about that. I've seen it with duplicate content when I copy'd all content of 1 site to anohter cause I didnt like the URL (was still in testphase) I dropped from page 4 to page 17, and 2 days later I was back at page 4 again, guess the cache was removed by then.

Tbh I think my luck is that I came in at page 3 at day2. Giving me already 20+visitors at day 2 (also help from friends/family cause I wanted to show everyone). The keyphrase is searched 70.000 times a month. Yesterday, day 3 I had 85 visitors so maybe this works in my favour.

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WillR

14 years ago

Originally Posted by seoman76

You give us a Golden Advice here, never use Google Analytics, I yet heard something about that indeed but the reason I didnt use it was more cause I was lazy

but indeed, now I'm sure I will never use it, yeah maybe when my site is >1 year old. (also i heard you should never use Google Webmaster Tools btw)

Yes, the problem with Google webmaster and /or analytics is that you are telling Google all the sites that you own even if they are on different servers, etc. If you then go and use the same link building tactics on several of those sites a pattern will emerge and Google will be able to see straight through it.

I am not saying don't use Google Analytics, you can still use it. But if you are going to go on a link building rampage like the original poster has, I would also be driving some traffic to my site at the same time from some various sources - things like Facebook, Youtube, Twitter, etc.

This is going to help make things look more natural.

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SEOsolo

14 years ago

Originally Posted by WillR

I think hearing where your site is ranked in a few weeks or a month down the track is going to be the real key here. Some would say you went a little too hard out of the gates and if your site was not getting any traffic, that link building activity is going to look very unnatural/suspicious in the eyes of Google. How can that many people link to your site if your site is getting no traffic? It just doesn't look natural.

Anyway, let us know how you get on.

Yeah I'm on the same path here dude - all well and good that the site got up there ranking. And well done for that... But I've done that - with a lot less effort, too. I've gone aggressive when I first started out and it just sets alarm bells ringing.

Anyway, yeah, let us know how you get on! It will be interesting to see if this works out for you in that particular niche (may open a few 'holes' in the algorithm).

How can you monitor your backlinks? And if your site does get kicked.. how will you know which link(s) flagged it up. (along with the un-natural speed of link acquisition).

P.S. the site I went aggressive on lasted a maximum of 6 months in the top 5.

All the best regardless of techniques!

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seoman76 Banned 14 years ago

Thanks for all the nice reply's and realistic replys like this could be temporarily succes cause of the unrealistic link boost for Google.

Ps the chartpost of tendencys, which positions are clicked most is adjusted.
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seoman76

Banned 14 years ago

Originally Posted by SEOsolo

How can you monitor your backlinks? And if your site does get kicked.. how will you know which link(s) flagged it up. (along with the un-natural speed of link acquisition).

P.S. the site I went aggressive on lasted a maximum of 6 months in the top 5.

All the best regardless of techniques!

I can only monitor my links with SEOquake.

If your site lasts in the top5 for 6 months then it won't be Google penalizing you all of a sudden, you need to maintain linkbuilding and/or your website as the competition never sits still.

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Caragui

14 years ago

Short and sweet....tks for sharing :-)

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VOnline

14 years ago

Curious to see how much did all this cost? Was it from all different people/company?

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seoman76 Banned 14 years ago

Originally Posted by VOnline

Curious to see how much did all this cost? Was it from all different people/company?

OP updated, yes it was all from different people!
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RichMarketer

14 years ago

But since the links are in one go, google will see something wrong with the site.

So I reckon, it will rank now, but within 1 month, it will drop.

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seoman76 Banned 14 years ago

Originally Posted by RichMarketer

But since the links are in one go, google will see something wrong with the site.

So I reckon, it will rank now, but within 1 month, it will drop.

Then I will buy another 8k links in 3 weeks, to look natural, lol, nah we will see where it go's, I promise to update in a month from now
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RichMarketer

14 years ago

If you dont mind sharing your domain/site? So that we will know you are telling the truth?

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DOWORKSON 14 years ago

Your on page 1 for a 70,000k term and your only making 6$ a day?? Uhhh... Try a rank checker bro, it's probably your cache. Haaa.
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  Originally Posted by DOWORKSON
  
  Your on page 1 for a 70,000k term and your only making 6$ a day?? Uhhh... Try a rank checker bro, it's probably your cache. Haaa.
  
  No, not 70.000k, just 70.000 searches a month And I'm not making $6 a day yet either. Anyway, the 70k sounds like a lot but a real real high authority website is at position 1, I am offering an online calculator and this nr.1 site offers the except same calculator and mentions that in it's description, the other sites that are at position 2/3 also offer that exact same calculator so what idiot would ever click my site, lol.
  
  Its literally like 8 sites on 1 page with one exact same thing: a tax calculator, so all descriptions are like 99% identical, the URL's are 99% identical and the titles are, The only difference is the website itself.
  
  Ps I knew this all on forehand and as my target is making 50 euro a month a site, I am very happy with my results.
  
  site1: www.tax-keyword.com
  site2: www.keywordkeyword1.nl - My site!
  site3: www.keywordkeyword.nl
  site3: www.keywordkeyword.org
  site5: www.keywordkeyword.com
  site6: www.keywordkeyword.net
  site7: www.keyword.nl
  site8: www.whatever.nl/keywordkeyword
  site9: www.whatever.nl/keywordkeyword
  
  Besides I added some affiliate adds that pay about 56 euro a lead and it offers a free gift to potential customers, so might I get tons of visitors when I reach position 1 then I might make some nice bucks out of it instead of x cents with adsense each click.
  
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seoman76 Banned 14 years ago

I gave my link to a few people. I am done proving myself
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DOWORKSON

14 years ago

I ment 70k. And honestly, you should check your rank in a checker. As well as check to make sure it wasn't on broad match and on "exact" in your kw tool.

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seoman76 Banned 14 years ago

Originally Posted by DOWORKSON

I ment 70k. And honestly, you should check your rank in a checker. As well as check to make sure it wasn't on broad match and on "exact" in your kw tool.

Been there done that mate, I made all the mistakes possible and learned from every single one of them. My cache is cleared, and to be extra sure I also checked it at a different place cause I had a hard time beleiving itmyself as well in first place.
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ThomvP

14 years ago

I have no clue how you only make $6 from hundreds of people, though I've subsribed cause im very curious how you will rank a month from now. Might also buy one of those 250/2500 link packages for my site. Only 1 though lol, you will be my study case

hope you dont mind!

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Banned 14 years ago

Originally Posted by ThomvP

I have no clue how you only make $6 from hundreds of people, though I've subsribed cause im very curious how you will rank a month from now. Might also buy one of those 250/2500 link packages for my site. Only 1 though lol, you will be my study case

hope you dont mind!

Cause I suck lol. I feel honored to be your study case

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affiliatepro15

14 years ago

I have considered some of those link building packages for my own site, but I don't really want blogs and forums being straight out spammed by bots with my site links... Anyone know of a service that creates white hat backlinks?

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seoman76 Banned 14 years ago

You can hire Phillipines/Indians/Bangladesh people for as less as $1 an hour, outsource the work to them and you get the links you want.

The very High PR7+ list that I mentioned in the original post includes, Twitter, Facebook, Google Knol, etc etc.
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WillR 14 years ago

Originally Posted by affiliatepro15

Anyone know of a service that creates white hat backlinks?

Yes, real people - when you have a great website they want to share with others.
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ThomvP

14 years ago

I see you live in the netherlands and you clearly have dutch page results from google. I just hope the 70.000 is also calculated in dutch google keyword tool.(by selecting the netherlands/dutch wich is default)
I also live in the netherlands btw! Go Netherlands!

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seoman76

Banned 14 years ago

Originally Posted by ThomvP

I see you live in the netherlands and you clearly have dutch page results from google. I just hope the 70.000 is also calculated in dutch google keyword tool.(by selecting the netherlands/dutch wich is default)
I also live in the netherlands btw! Go Netherlands!

Hup Holland Hup, laat de leeuw niet in zijn hempie staan

We should start a studygroup

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microunique

Banned 14 years ago

Nice to hear that your hard work comes to live

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immeanyway

14 years ago

What kind of competition is there for your 70k search keyword? This is very interesting stuff.

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seoman76 Banned 14 years ago

All the competition sucks to be honest, only the nr1 has PR5 and huge indexed files and huge ammount of relevant backlinks. Probably they suck cause it was so easy for them but now I joined the party haaa

Today I've been brainstorming how I can extract most value from these visitors, as if I might get a lot of visitors tomorrow (now everyone sleeps) I should be able to make it more profitable then with Adsense alone.
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ThomvP

14 years ago

yeah I found you, But on the 9th position. I dont have my rankchecker atm though so it might be googles preferred searches (or however that is called) Ill check again tomorrow for you. Btw the adds do blend in with the site perfectly. It indeed is not annoying

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seoman76

Banned 14 years ago

Originally Posted by ThomvP

yeah I found you, But on the 9th position. I dont have my rankchecker atm though so it might be googles preferred searches (or however that is called) Ill check again tomorrow for you. Btw the adds do blend in with the site perfectly. It indeed is not annoying

Hmpf, I always check from a german IP, though its a dutch site, maybe that has to do with it. Let me recheck, yeah still position2 or you used a different, searchterm perhaps, idk.

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ocd

14 years ago

I like this guy.

Reminds me of one of those cage fighters that tells you what he's gonna do to you before you go in in the ring and then does exactly what he said ...then during the TV interview he recaps how he beat the snot out of you in play by play watching the monitor replay it.

Excellent thread seoman76...nice job!

One question: so those $5 backlinks are sticking? How long do you expect them to stay, a month or so?

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imaviators

14 years ago

whoa you actually already did something that i almost did.haha. only that i went to the 5er website to get arnd 20 backlinks. do not want to get google suspicious of my website. but good job seoman you actually had the balls to actually do everything in one shot!

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imaviators

14 years ago

i do agree that we the new guys are very excited thus we do not like to wait but would not it be a problem if google find out that you actually blast your way to the first page on a short time and they will deindex you?

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14 years ago

Originally Posted by seoman76

Plenty of bad advice here and tons of useless ebooks I decided to show how I ranked (outsourced ranking) my website in 4 days only to top position at page 1

- Purchased 700x Directory submissions
- Purchased 1 Link pyramid package 250high PR + 2500 links to back it
- Purchased 1 Link pyramid package 250high PR + 2750 links to back it
- Purchased 1200x Article submissions
- Purchased 200x Social bookmark submissions
- Purchased 500x Blog commenting
- Outsourced my private list of 50x PR7+ User profiles
- Manually placed about 10 relevant blogcomments (spent 1 hour myself)
- Very solid onpage optimalisation
- Registered domainname
- Shared hosting, so costs almost nihil as I pay 0,50 cent /month for that.

Profit day1: 0,00
Profit day2: 0,50
Profit day3: 0,33
Profit day4: 2,50 (based on page 1 / position 4)

Currently page1, position2, so I expect at least 3 euro a day / 100,- month.

Experience: 1 month intensive reading > 40hrs a week to learn all about competition, keyword research, website building, onsite seo, offsite seo, effective linkbuilding methods.

Time spent on building site+ outsourcing linkbuilding: < 6 hours
Expensive? Be creative and it doesnt have to cost you much.

Yes you can work hard to do all manually but that gives you such bad reward ratio so better spent a couple of bucks on a mixed linkbuilding packet and you'll rank at lightning speed.

Once you see the effect of this and how good it works you could launch 1 website a day. But ofcourse you need the funds to invest in first place.

Money makes money.

Miracles don't exist!

investing is not a problem but we must get suitable
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ThomvP

14 years ago

Yes same here Page 1 Pos 4. I had been searching for other taxes alot this week so it was my google who got it wrong. But you are right. Also this gives me alot of confidence for my own site. Since my first 2 positions im after dont even half the backlinks you already beaten with your site. So should be very fast for me too

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seoman76

Banned 14 years ago

Originally Posted by ThomvP

Yes same here Page 1 Pos 4. I had been searching for other taxes alot this week so it was my google who got it wrong. But you are right. Also this gives me alot of confidence for my own site. Since my first 2 positions im after dont even half the backlinks you already beaten with your site. So should be very fast for me too

You like my site btw?

Good luck mate and show me your site when your done, maybe we can share our experiences in a month from now to see how all evaluates.

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tayuyaa

14 years ago

That's great for you dude! But really if you only make 50-150€ per month from this site it's really not a big deal...with 70k searches per month you should make at least 2k from this site, even if it is not targeted...so if you dont make too much ,next time try select a good keyword, repeat the exact same process you did, and enjoy your money!

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seoman76

Banned 14 years ago

Originally Posted by tayuyaa

That's great for you dude! But really if you only make 50-150€ per month from this site it's really not a big deal...with 70k searches per month you should make at least 2k from this site, even if it is not targeted...so if you dont make too much ,next time try select a good keyword, repeat the exact same process you did, and enjoy your money!

Read my previous post where I explained it yet.

Suggestions to make $2k are more then welcome!

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tayuyaa

14 years ago

Originally Posted by seoman76

Anyway, how about you give some tips how to make 2k from a site that is offering a free product (which they can get free from all the sites in the top 10), its so easy to just say things.

Well I dont know what is your keyword so it was just suggestion.....if it's not a buy keyword then I dont know what you can do even with a huge amount of traffic...

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seoman76

Banned 14 years ago

Originally Posted by tayuyaa

Well I dont know what is your keyword so it was just suggestion.....if it's not a buy keyword then I dont know what you can do even with a huge amount of traffic...

It's far from a buy keyword, thats what I meant with untargetted trafic. Maybe I misused the definition of untargetted trafic.

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JasonWright

14 years ago

I'm sorry, but I'm curious to how much you spent on all your outsourcing, sounds pretty expensive.

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seoman76 Banned 14 years ago

Originally Posted by JasonWright

I'm sorry, but I'm curious to how much you spent on all your outsourcing, sounds pretty expensive.

Original post updated!
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mmsearch

14 years ago

Kewl idea- will be interesting to see how your results go in the next few weeks-
Will definitely be following along.

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seoman76

Banned 14 years ago

Originally Posted by bradleyowen12

You also poverty a screenshot of the note that I recorded my domainname 4 life ago with the comrade clearly viewable? I dont requirement to assure anything, fitting ask yourself the interrogative: Why woud he lie roughly it? Btw I already gave a clustering of hints so all country persons should already couple what this is near. I conscionable don't suchlike placing any of my url/links at an SEO site, and separated of that I dont poverty people to see the adress where I smoldering.

Lol, my english might suck, but yours is really unreadable, your still concerned about me not giving my URL out here? LOL

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seoman76 Banned 14 years ago

Why dont I give my URL? Cause people will steal my idea!
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  Originally Posted by seoman76
  
  Why dont I give my URL? Cause people will steal my idea!
  
  Yes, people can't wait to jump all over your $2.00 a day idea, lol.
  
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  Yes, people can't wait to jump all over your $2.00 a day idea, lol.
  
  Some people claim to make $2000/month with 70.000 searches/month, I dont want them to rank against me.
  
  Good comment about the 25.000 visitors for $5 though!
  
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Originally Posted by seoman76

Lol, my english might suck, but yours is really unreadable, your still concerned about me not giving my URL out here? LOL

I can't find the original post by bradley but that may be post of the year for the ENTIRE web. I had to read that one out loud to my family and had them cracking up.
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seoman76

Banned 14 years ago

Hmm, despite the 70.000 searches a month and being ranked on page1, position4, according to searches from a dutch IP and from a german IP I am ranked as nr2 but not that many dutch people that live in germany. Anyway, the number of visitors are a little bit dissapointing to be honest.

Stats:

02/03 - 85 Visitors
03/03 - 105 Visitors
04/03 - 46 Visitors so far (it's 18:00 pm here)

That means about 3000 visitors a month, that I get from the 70.000 searches, oh well I already explained a couple of times that the sites above me are almost identical in there url/title/website description so that should explain the low ammount of visitors.

But thats not the reason for this post

The reason is that within these 44 visitors I had 4 Adsense clicks of YESSSSS 0,96 EUROCENT each.

Thats almost 4 euro in half a day!!!! WOW, yes some people think what an idiot but keep in mind this is the 1st site of my 50 sites that I want to launch and I am as happy as a little child who gets his first icecream!

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tayuyaa

14 years ago

Originally Posted by seoman76

The reason is that within these 44 visitors I had 4 Adsense clicks of YESSSSS 0,96 EUROCENT each.

Thats almost 4 euro in half a day!!!! WOW, yes some people think what an idiot but keep in mind this is the 1st site of my 50 sites that I want to launch and I am as happy as a little child who gets his first icecream!

Yeah I agree with that, that's really nice that you have find a way to make money! now you know what to do, rinse and repeat

4€*50=200€/day !

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14 years ago

Originally Posted by seoman76

Hmm, despite the 70.000 searches a month and being ranked on page1, position4, according to searches from a dutch IP and from a german IP I am ranked as nr2 but not that many dutch people that live in germany. Anyway, the number of visitors are a little bit dissapointing to be honest.

Stats:

02/03 - 85 Visitors
03/03 - 105 Visitors
04/03 - 46 Visitors so far (it's 18:00 pm here)

That means about 3000 visitors a month, that I get from the 70.000 searches, oh well I already explained a couple of times that the sites above me are almost identical in there url/title/website description so that should explain the low ammount of visitors.

But thats not the reason for this post

The reason is that within these 44 visitors I had 4 Adsense clicks of YESSSSS 0,96 EUROCENT each.

Thats almost 4 euro in half a day!!!! WOW, yes some people think what an idiot but keep in mind this is the 1st site of my 50 sites that I want to launch and I am as happy as a little child who gets his first icecream!

Hey bud,

Go back to fiverr and search the term - traffic. One guy says he'll send you 25,000 unique visitors to your site per month. You have got me motivated on a whole different level...speaking of which, that's where I'm going now, the next level!

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Originally Posted by ocd

Hey bud,

Go back to fiverr and search the term - traffic. One guy says he'll send you 25,000 unique visitors to your site per month.

I've got some bigfoot hair you can buy too if you're interested, lol.

He's not going to send you 25,000 real visitors for $5. Why would he when he could send them to his own properties and make so much more money?
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JSProjects

14 years ago

Tell us where you are in a month or so. It's good to hear that "brute force" SEO still works. But I'd spread things out a bit if possible.

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John Williamson

14 years ago

Either you completely made up those percentages or you got them from an extremely unreliable source. As attse said, they don't even add up to 100%. The #1 spot gets 60% of the traffic at most, I usually use an estimate of about 40%. The bottom result gets more traffic than 7, 8, and 9 usually; it's not just a smooth downward funnel. Plus, with Adwords ads above and to the right of the search results, it won't add up to 100% anyway, which means each spot gets even less.

Also, I find it very hard to believe that you got all that work done for only $47. If you did, I'd love to get your exact sources. And it seems like with the #2 spot you'd be getting much more traffic and much more revenue from a 70k-searches-per-month keyword.

Just trying to be realistic; plus I was always taught to be skeptical.

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seoman76

Banned 14 years ago

Originally Posted by John Williamson

Also, I find it very hard to believe that you got all that work done for only $47. If you did, I'd love to get your exact sources. And it seems like with the #2 spot you'd be getting much more traffic and much more revenue from a 70k-searches-per-month keyword.

Just trying to be realistic; plus I was always taught to be skeptical.

I would've expected a smarter answer from someone who calls himself the mathmaticall warrior. Guess it's 1st grade math where you got stucked.

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John Williamson

14 years ago

Originally Posted by seoman76

I would've expected a smarter answer from someone who calls himself the mathmaticall warrior. Guess it's 1st grade math where you got stucked.

Considering that's not an 'answer' at all, your comment doesn't even make sense. But if it were, how is it dumb?

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seoman76

Banned 14 years ago

Originally Posted by John Williamson

Considering that's not an 'answer' at all, your comment doesn't even make sense. But if it were, how is it dumb?

It is dumb cause a smart guy would have figured out that I just typed the numbers in a fast mood to show the idea of what I meant.

Ps I adjusted that post for the people with half a brain.

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John Williamson

14 years ago

Originally Posted by seoman76

It is dumb cause a smart guy would have figured out that I just typed the numbers in a fast mood to show the idea of what I meant.

Ps I adjusted that post for the people with half a brain.

You quoted me on my comment about the $47 price for all those services, not the percentage figures. So you just typed $47 'in a fast mood' instead of the real cost? Totally confused now.

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seoman76

Banned 14 years ago

Originally Posted by John Williamson

You quoted me on my comment about the $47 price for all those services, not the percentage figures. So you just typed $47 'in a fast mood' instead of the real cost? Totally confused now.

You make me confused lol, didnt you complain about the percentages? I did had a couple of beers as in half a box so maybe there went something wrong.

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howtomakemoneyonline

14 years ago

WOW and he's all of us sitting hear doing everything ourselves, NOT. Good post though.

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14 years ago

seoman
great post and nice start to your adsense empire. I'll be following your results closely over the next month. thanks for the inspiration!

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Enfusia 14 years ago

Hey, great job! It sure does feel really good when your 1st site makes you a couple bucks. It actually is more exciting than managing hundreds of sites day in and day out.

The most reliable numbers I have seen (and don't argue with me I'm not Google) are: pos 1 gets aprox 52% pos 2 and 3 split the next 25% and the rest chew up the remainder.
Are these accurate? I don't know but I had (before this latest algo change) several KW's where I have all the top 3-4 spots with a site, an article, a doc site, a lens ect... And I found that to be at least closer to reality.

Now the lens's and articles are in the toilet but the others are actually doing better.

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kimberly Aita

14 years ago

You forgot to do some press release submissions. They seem to help a lot also

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seoman76 Banned 14 years ago

Originally Posted by kimberly Aita

You forgot to do some press release submissions. They seem to help a lot also

Good suggestion, however most sites asked money for it, PLUS most sites required to fill in my full adress. I like to stay a bit anonymous.
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fernandorc

14 years ago

That formula sounds great!

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seoman76 Banned 14 years ago

Original post updated for better readability and to avoid the same questions each time.

PS: I dont offer any services at Fiverr myself so this is not any kind of self promotion. However the thank you's are good for my ego
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jauhis

14 years ago

seoman76 can you PM me with your site ? I can't send PM.

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Adam H

14 years ago

This thread *face palm*.. that is all. Thank you and good night

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14 years ago

Thanks, this is really helpful ...

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t3ch

14 years ago

is that 70k searches /month is exact? how much is the cpc for that keyword?

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seoman76 Banned 14 years ago

Originally Posted by t3ch

is that 70k searches /month is exact? how much is the cpc for that keyword?

Yes exact but the CPC is misleading, Google says its like 3,50 euro. But no sane company would advertise on this word and when you google it, you see 0 sponsored links so...

However my content is written in such way that it attracts ads for car insurances and such, and I had a couple of clicks that paid me 96eurocents each.
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- Greenfatman 14 years ago
  
  Great thread...
  
  When you check the CPC always go by the "broad", that's when people get disappointed or confused about the adsense earns...
  
  When you do your keyword research always tick "exact" and "broad"
  
  Exact for search
  
  Broad for CPC
  
  You will notice the CPC on "broad" is always LESS than "exact"
  
  If you want to check the CPC for the keyword always go by the "broad"...
  
  In my opinion it's not the blog comments that hurt your site,but I think your site must have much more content than just 1-2 pages...With seach of 70.000 you will need backlinks around the clock and your site is too new to get on the first or second spot on google(with all these amount of search)....
  
  1 silly question:
  
  - Did you already try to make a site with less competition????
  I mean something like 1000-3000 search monthly...
  
  Just think a bit, you probably would make much more money with adsense(if you would go for at least $1,50 cpc with broad match) and you would be THE KING
  on the top of google...make 50-100 sites like that and the rest is...we all know.
  
  Just my 0.2 cents
  
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  Federico
  
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seoman76

Banned 14 years ago

NEWS UPDATE:

It seems my site is slightly moving downwards in the Google.com rankings and I see some decrease in my visitorcount (could be due to the fact that it's weekend but still).

Whats causing this?

In 2 days over 900 links have been indexed, all these links are coming from about 3-4 sites. These sites were part of the 500* blogcommenting package for $5,-. So what happens is that these blogs have an option where they show the last submitted comment on each page of the blogdomain as recent posts. Which causes a huge increasement of indexed links. As these are not relevant at all I suspect that Google find these links very spammy. The slight dilemma I have here is that it does contain some PR4 PR3 PR2 pages where the link directly comes from.

So I think its still a bit too early to say I won't use this blogcomment service anymore. Lets see how it go's the next days. Here and there I also read that blogcommenting had it's best time so it might be good to abandon this package sooner or later and only make very ontopic manual blogcomments at highly relevant sites.

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vbbgold

14 years ago

Is this really work? I am afraid that too many low quality backlinks will kill your site.

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seoman76 Banned 14 years ago

If you mix it well and dont forget to add some high relevant, decent PR sites it should work.

Google loves low quality links as well as Google loves diversity, so a bunch of low quality unrelevant links won't hurt your site, you just shouldn't overdo it, thats why these linkpyramids are very solid, they have 250 High PR sites linking to your site, and the 2750 other links are pointing to the 250 links, so not directly to your site, but they do give the 250 links extra strenght that indirectly your site profits from.

I am also in the process of what works and what doesn't and overdoing is a killing but with the little scheme in one of my last posts I am pretty convinced it wouldn't hurt your site.

If Google would penalize your site for as few as 1000-2000 bad backlinks then it's immens easily to take your competition out by buying crappy backlink packages and firing it at them. It's about the ratio of good/bad links where Google bases it's decisions on.

Personally I think the ratio is like:

You have 100 decent backlinks, then your allowed to have 1000 crappy backlinks.
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- Nedseo 14 years ago
  
  Hi Seoman 79
  
  Great information,like you,I come from the Netherlands.
  
  I have a few questions.
  
  Where do your backlinks come from, I always thought the best to get are the niche related backlinks.
  
  *So if you chosen only niche related sites.
  
  *Is it not strange in the eyes from google,that you get a lot of backlinks from (English language) websites.??
  
  * Do you also link building with Dutch websites?
  
  In my opion i think Google sees this as spamming links,because the website is a dutch related (content and market).I hope this works because then i use the same service you did for my dutch websites.
  
  Thanks
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  (blij om zulke informatie te krijgen vanuit Nederland )
  
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  seoman76 Banned 14 years ago
  
  Yeah what shall I say, my site did reach page1 with only English backlinks so I guess Google dont' care too much about it, as it knows which links are relevant, guess the algorhytm has some sort of translation fucntion build in.
  
  Article marketing is an important factor in SEO as you can create high relevant backlinks starting with nothing but an article. As you know all article directory's are in English so we have not much choice.
  
  What I do try is make as many relevant blog comments only at dutch sites, I think a small share of high relevant sites is enough to help you ranking. Furthermore the High PR maindomains of the sites where my links are created surely help a lot, whether they are english or dutch doesnt seem to matter that much.
  
  Toen ik begon had ik zoiets van: wie niet waagt wie niet wint, en het resultaat spreekt voorzich zelf dus zo'n ramp is het niet om er een zooi slechtere kwaliteitslinks bij te hebben. Het belangrijste is dat je er een flinke mix van maakt, dus blogcomments, web2.0, article directorys, social bookmarks, 't hele ratteplan, zo is er volop keuze en als je dan vooral de sites neemt met een hoog hoofd PR domein dan zit je meestal wel goed.
  
  Succes ermee!
  
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noobaffiliate

14 years ago

Thanks for sharing your strategy! I just started 2 websites and will give this a try to one of my site! Hopw I can achieve the same as you

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xploit

14 years ago

Purchased 1 Link pyramid package 250high PR + 2750 links to back it $14,- Warriorforum

Care to share who supplied this as I'm interested in a similar package...

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EatGreedyTx

14 years ago

Originally Posted by seoman76

Plenty of bad advice here and tons of useless ebooks I decided to show how I ranked (outsourced ranking) my website in 4 days only to top position at page 1

Linkbuilding / onpage SEO

- Purchased 700x Directory submissions $5,- Fiverr.com
- Purchased 1 Link pyramid package 250high PR + 2500 links to back it $5,- Fiverr.com
- Purchased 1 Link pyramid package 250high PR + 2750 links to back it $14,- Warriorforum
- Purchased 1200x Article submissions $5,- Fiverr.com
- Purchased 200x Social bookmark submissions $5,- Fiverr.com (still waiting to be delivered)
- Purchased 500x Blog commenting $5,- Fiverr.com
- Outsourced my private list of 50x PR7+ User profiles through Odesk.com $3/hr - 2 hours.
- Manually placed about 10 relevant blogcomments
- Solid onpage optimalisation
- Registered domainname $6,-
- Shared hosting, so costs almost nihil as I pay $0,50/month for that.

To do next time:

- Add some blogs/web2.0 like Squidoo, Wordpress etc
- Leave out the 700x directory submissions
- Only use 1 linkpyramid instead of 2 (bit overpush)
- Invest some more time in finding relevant sites to post my link at.

Moneymade through Adsense:

- day1: 0,00
- day2: 0,50
- day3: 0,33
- day4: 2,50
- day5: 3,84

Current position in Google

- Google.com - Page 1 / Position 4
- Google.nl - Page 1 / Position 4
- Google.de - Page 1 / Position 2

One time study / time investment (1 month - 40+ hrs/week):

- Keyword research
- Competition in Google
- Website building
- Onsite SEO
- Offsite SEO: Linkbuilding

Time spent:

- 1 hour outsourcing linkbuilding
- 1 hour manual linkbuilding
- 4 hours building website / creating content

Money makes money - Miracles don't exist!!!

nice information but i had a couple of questions if you dont mind me asking
would you PM me the name of the guy you bought those things from?
i cant PM yet but i think i can receive them
and also around how many articles do you have on your site?

thanks

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seoman76 Banned 14 years ago

Guys, dont be so passive, I told you guys that all the services for $5 are available at Fiverr.com. Use the search function there, geez, do I really have to babysit every single step? I bet you didnt even visit that site yet.

The content that I wrote on my site is about 200 words in total spreaded over 3 short articles + I have a privacy page.
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dagaul101

14 years ago

Great tips, Google loves the web 2.0 social blogs so Squidoo will add that much more traffic

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JayVance

14 years ago

seoman, good to see someone else who has it figured out. This is the exact methods I use to rank all of my sites.

-Jay Vance

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seoman76 Banned 14 years ago

Originally Posted by JayVance

seoman, good to see someone else who has it figured out. This is the exact methods I use to rank all of my sites.

-Jay Vance

Thanks for the confirmation, thats really awesome, then we are at least doing something good here

Original Post: UPDATED - Onpage SEO included

Small update: Broke my record of max $ for a click, 51 eurocents
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seoman76

Banned 14 years ago

Lol I wish the web2.0 gave me traffic, all my sites are in dutch and I can guarantee that 99% of the dutch people never heard of that site. If they are familiar with any blogsite then it would be Google's Blogger or some local blogsite.

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ThomvP

14 years ago

I would like that one-month from now, results share thing you suggested. I have been busy with Carnaval lately, but ones I've sobered up and am rested ill finish up my site and will get pumpin out some backlinks. I'll pm you my site once it is done and indexed

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Jonas Juul

14 years ago

How old was the domain you where ranking?

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seoman76 Banned 14 years ago

Carnaval hahahah yeah you must be from the south, I live just over the border in Germany and some roommates when celebrating it, but I'm not really a carnaval guy. Anyway take your time, no rush right.

@Jonas: How old is my site? 7 days by now I guess, it's was a brand new domain that I registered.

Btw to all noobs: I would advice that Adsense Bootcamp that the guy a few posts above me is promoting. I signed up for the 7 day trial and he really put time into producing this course and a couple of real nice extra's. One of the few real honest deals around here as it's a complete step by step plan that not just teaches you something but instead makes a professional out of you!

Others so-called guru's would have asked sick prices for it. No I am no affiliate, this trial just stunned me cause of the ammount of work he puts into it and the completeness.

I mean everyone can throw out a nice looking site thats build in a few hours and throw some $5 packages at it to rank it fast, but building quality sites with quality content is a different ballgame and that's what this Mr. will teach you.
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ocd

14 years ago

seoman76,

Quick question. You said, "I decided to slow down a bit cause I have now over 1200 crappy links indexed that aren't helping as I dropped 1 spot, yes it's only 1 spot but..."

Do you think those 1200 crappy links are from the 1200+ article submissions?

Thanks again. BTW, $50 cash money in my hand and will take action tomorrow after research tonight! (a good ol boy phrase where I live)

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seoman76

Banned 14 years ago

Originally Posted by ocd

seoman76,

Quick question. You said, "I decided to slow down a bit cause I have now over 1200 crappy links indexed that aren't helping as I dropped 1 spot, yes it's only 1 spot but..."

Do you think those 1200 crappy links are from the 1200+ article submissions?

Thanks again. BTW, $50 cash money in my hand and will take action tomorrow after research tonight! (a good ol boy phrase where I live)

No these articles are relevant so they can never be crappy really. The 500x blogcomments are crappy and unrelevant and those commentposts are showed on multiple pages from the same site, so 500 posts can turn in to 5000 links if you don't watch it. For instance 1 single blogcomment site gave me 300 backlinks cause it was posted at each page as lastcomment placed.

Good luck with it, on later notice I think the 700x directory submissions won't hurt too much, actually I see them as neutral links so might be good afterall to mix it up more.

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ThomvP

14 years ago

haha yes I'm from the south. I love carnaval it's always fun. Maybe you can pm me your email then I can contact you easily? I dont have enough posts for a pm yet. Maybe we could share some idea's. 2 can learn alot faster than 1 I guess

I'm also really curious how your site will work out, I might try it myself after my first site is done.

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seoman76

Banned 14 years ago

Originally Posted by ThomvP

haha yes I'm from the south. I love carnaval it's always fun. Maybe you can pm me your email then I can contact you easily? I dont have enough posts for a pm yet. Maybe we could share some idea's. 2 can learn alot faster than 1 I guess

I'm also really curious how your site will work out, I might try it myself after my first site is done.

My mail is pokerbot@live.nl , love to hear from ya

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kimmer551

14 years ago

Can you tell us which person you used on fiverr(or persons) so we may test the waters also? Trying to find someone who can do link building for you, and you can trust, is very hard!

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seoman76 Banned 14 years ago

So far I've tried 9 different people and no problem with any of them. 1 was on holiday so Fiverr automatically refunded cause delivery was too late, and anohter one said he couldn't do it cause of some problems with his software and the deal was also cancelled.

The other 7 persons exactly delivered what they promised and comeon you can't break a leg for $5,- in case a package is a little more dissappointing then you expected.

Fiverr is the perfect middle man so it's impossible to get scammed. Also you can read the reviews as everyone MUST leave a review when they took a service so you pick out the bad packages very easily.

I only had 1 bad package which was a 1200* edublogcomments, as 0 of them got indexed so far (so I cant know if any of them were approved or not), I took the 1200x article submission from the exact same guy and these were good so its not like he didnt do the job, he sended me 2 lists with all links as well.
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markowe

14 years ago

Thanks for this thread. Duh... I wanted to submit a (quality) article out to lots of article sites with AMR but didn't want to buy AMR right now and never really thought about outsourcing that to someone else, obvious really. It's hard to trust someone with backlinking or article writing not to do a spammy job (I don't do spam), but if you GIVE them the article properly spun then they can't go far wrong with AMR.
About the dripping, AMR schedules that automatically, so it shouldn't be extra work for them, should it? Or is there some kind of maintenance? Can't remember, only used the demo once. I will also ask one of the Fiverr guys. I don't really want thousands of backlinks in one day either!

P.s. Love Holland, the Dutch are some of the nicest people on earth! And SO MANY bikes...!

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seoman76

Banned 14 years ago

As a matter of fact I bought AMR or something similiar and requested a refund. Now you can say why?

Well:

1st I had to make a spyntax article took me 2-3 hrs
2nd I had to fill in like 700 catpcha's (2-3 hours)
Program cost: 85 euro I beleive

As I want to launch 50 sites eventually I would spent 50* 5 hours = 250 hours + one time cost of 85 euro.

So I concluded that buying 50* $5 package = $250,- would be much better for me as my time is way more valuable then $150 (yes i know there are captcha services but they also cost money).

Also I noticed that the high quality article directorys all refused my article so thought it was better to do these manually.

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markowe

14 years ago

Originally Posted by seoman76

As a matter of fact I bought AMR or something similiar and requested a refund. Now you can say why?

Well:

1st I had to make a spyntax article took me 2-3 hrs
2nd I had to fill in like 700 catpcha's (2-3 hours)
Program cost: 85 euro I beleive

As I want to launch 50 sites eventually I would spent 50* 5 hours = 250 hours + one time cost of 85 euro.

So I concluded that buying 50* $5 package = $250,- would be much better for me as my time is way more valuable then $150 (yes i know there are captcha services but they also cost money).

Also I noticed that the high quality article directorys all refused my article so thought it was better to do these manually.

Yep, that's pretty much my experience, that's why I was very interested in outsourcing this.

But I also agree:

EZA still gets my best version (other than my site).
Then ArticlesBase, GoArticles and a very few others.

The rest, sorry, but you're just backlink farms to us - sad but true. I think there is still room for quality article sites out there with proper editorial standards.

BTW, I thought the captchas were only the FIRST time when you sign up for the article sites? Don't tell me you have to do those EVERY time you submit! I suppose that's the auto-approve sites. Well, for $5 I will DEFINITELY pay someone else to do that!

Writing QUALITY spyntax articles is VERY boring, but I don't trust anyone with that - for a $5 gig, he'll just put it through spinning software, and I am not having THAT! Some things you just gotta do yourself...

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seoman76

Banned 14 years ago

Originally Posted by markowe

Yep, that's pretty much my experience, that's why I was very interested in outsourcing this.

But I also agree:

EZA still gets my best version (other than my site).
Then ArticlesBase, GoArticles and a very few others.

The rest, sorry, but you're just backlink farms to us - sad but true. I think there is still room for quality article sites out there with proper editorial standards.

BTW, I thought the captchas were only the FIRST time when you sign up for the article sites? Don't tell me you have to do those EVERY time you submit! I suppose that's the auto-approve sites. Well, for $5 I will DEFINITELY pay someone else to do that!

Writing QUALITY spyntax articles is VERY boring, but I don't trust anyone with that - for a $5 gig, he'll just put it through spinning software, and I am not having THAT! Some things you just gotta do yourself...

Anyway, for these crap article sites, as most are, I dont care about a really bad spun article so I just pay $5,- and I'm done. Then over time I can always spent some time on doing some quality submissions to the big ones. For me it's important that I can outsource the mainwork cause sites that have a potential of 50 euro a month aren't worth to put in many hours.

Just thinking, as most of my sites are in dutch, and because I also need spun articles for Web2.0 sites my best choice is to spent an hour or two on a dutch spyntax article, I did this a few days ago and it's much easyer to come up with synonyms when your doing it in your own language. This resulted in a 65-80% unique article (Idk I didnt count it or anything) and extremely well readable article that I wouldn't feel bad about showing to anyone.

Most crappy article sites have autoapprove or captcha approve and I'm sure they don't check it for English syntax, and the web2.0 are made by anohter Fiverr man and as long as I deliver in spyntax it's easyer for him as well. Yes these article sites might be crappy, but they do give a relevant backlink cause of the article.

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junilerick

14 years ago

Interesting post. Love it when people give a concrete step-by-step formula to follow. But wouldn't it look unnatural to get so many links so quickly?

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seoman76

Banned 14 years ago

Yes these 500 blogcomments are really ****ing things up, I now have 2000 indexed backlinks only cause of these low quality blogcomments. The rest is decent enough but these massive ammounts of indexed links are really hurting my rankings as it gets my overall ranking down down down. I am still at page 1 but now at position 9 I just noticed.

I am 99% sure that if I left these blogcomments out that all would've been okay.

The good thing is that I registered 2 domains a week ago:

www.keyword1.nl
www.keyword.be

So perhaps nice to give it a new test (as that was the intention of this whole thing anyway), "how far can I go without getting hit". But first I wait another 3-4 weeks to see if it's just some Google dancing. If I'm still ranked low in 3-4weeks I will delete this site and move all my content to the other domain and repeat the process in a lesser way like discussed earlyer.

Also I will change the order of the packes in such way that I first start with the manual work:

- Making manual high relevant blogcomments
- Submitting to a few local directorys
- Outsource 15* Web2.0 property's with a dutch spyntax article that I supply myself $5,-
- Outsource 50* profile links to High PR / Edu sites ( Phillipine working for $3/hr)

Then wait 1 week, and then

- 1200x Article submissions (relevant dutch spyntax article)
- 200x / 100x or perhaps only 50x to the popular Social bookmarksites
- 250*High PR linkpyramid with 2750 links to the backlinks (to mix it up with lesser links to make it more natural)

I think thats much more natural for Google and cause of the decent links I have in the first place, the less relevant links just make a nice mix package out of it.

Yes thats what I am gonna do next time! At the end of it (wait an extra month) I could also do a 301 redirect but not sure if that would be smart.

FYI: Yesterday I spent 4hrs on building high relevant dutch backlinks + I purchased that 15* Web2.0 package with my own article on it and I even published an extra page with about 600 words high relevant content. So instead of going down I had to go up. But like I said: It's hard to overrule 2000 crappy backlinks that are indexed in only 3 days.

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seoman76

Banned 14 years ago

Ooh I must also admit that I downloaded the trial of Internet Business Promoter, and that tool told me to remove my main keyword from the meta description + meta keywords + title as I used it too often. So now my mainkeyword only shows 1 time in the Title, 1 time in the Meta description and 2 times in the meta keywords (it was 18x in meta keywords cause I used variations like (cheap keyword, big keyword, keyword for sale, keyword in action) and I had it 2 times in the title and 2 times in the meta description.

Maybe that hurted my site instead of the 2k backlinks, I dont know. **** it I go change it back first and look what happens in a couple of days. As it cant be a Google penalty cause then I wouldn't still show up at page1 imo. Always nice to rely on professional software - sigh -

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IncSEO

14 years ago

You did a great job there, it doesn't really matter since SEO is all about experimentation and lots of patience. At least you are doing something here and know what's best and not but link building is definitely a continuous process. Good Luck!

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seoman76 Banned 14 years ago

Thank you IncSEO.

Let me do some other loudout thinking:

We use article directory's cause we can submit our own article. Google see's value in it only for 1 reason. Cause as we wrote the article it's highly relevant and ontopic. Making it a relevant backlink. Cause the articledirectory itself isn't providing any relevance cause of the wide topics

Now lets say we take one of these blogsites that projects our last post/comment at each page, and instead of making a single line comment like:

"Hey great blog, always a pleasure to read"

We could also choose to submit a 500 or 1000 words article that is totally unrelevant to there blog but HIGHLY relevant to our site. THere are tons of blogs which are forgotten and have auto approve on. Thus making our own highrelevant backlinks as we just use the articledirectory concept in a different way.

Why I mention this? Cause I saw that at some blogsites my last post was projected at there mainpage with PR4 so I guess it must be able to get some value out of it. Nice thing to try next time. First I go get my Onpage SEO back to as it was.
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ThomvP

14 years ago

I see you even dropped to pos. 10 now. Are you just gonna sit it out or are you gonna make more backlinks? If you would just wait you would know for sure if this is google dance or not. Then again if you would build some links you would get a better idea at what ratio your crappy backlinks stop being harmful to your rank. (like how many quality backlinks it takes to have 2000 crappy backlinks boost you instead of harm you). But then again it might just be the immense amount you started with thats the hurting factor here.

This might get you some very value info. (plus it already gave you, and indirect us, some very value info) so even if your site goes down its still worth the experience!

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seoman76 Banned 14 years ago

Absolutely valueable info and thats what we do it for. I just changed back my onpage SEO and will wait a day or two now to have Google browse my site again.

Its funny cause yesterday afternoon I changed this onpage seo and this morning Google already noticed it. That means that Google is indexing my site quiet frequently. This is also the result of the web2.0 links that are pinged and connected with rss feeds. So maybe Google browses my site today or tomorrow again. So till tomorrow, then we'll know what caused this.

If my site will be ranked position 4/5 again tomorrow then I will keep building relevant links up on your advice. Indeed to figure out how much relevant links are needed to fix the disadvantage of the 2000 crappy indexed links. Would be pretty valuable to get some ratio numbers to work with!

As I dont have a rankchecker I nowdays Google my searchterms from within a VM and from my server so I am sure I get unbiased results
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- warrioronfire 14 years ago
  
  Great thread. Backlinking experiments are always interesting. Did you begin working on your second site yet? Have you decided what backlinking strategy you are going to use for it?
  
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warrioronfire

14 years ago

And just to clarify, your rankings only slipped after you purchased the blog commenting package? According to someone above- your site is currently number 10 position. What was it prior to having the package done?

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samual james

14 years ago

JC penny used these kind of techniques , According to google webmaster guidelines if you purchase links from link farms then your site may be get penalized by search engines. Google banned JC Penny for purchasing and excess link building.

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Nedseo 14 years ago

Hey Seoman
What is the update ???

I was wondering how your website is performing now,because it is for me with also dutch websites a very good thread,to understand Google about backlinking on ( English text)foreign websites and if that hurts a dutch website.

Maybe other warriors have good tips ? about backlinks.

*Is it good or bad to have backlinks to your site,from a website with a foreign language?Or does that not matter,as long it is in the same niche.

Kris
Netherlands
(O ja ben benieuwd hoe het verder gaat met backlinken en google positie)
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emersonralph22

Banned 14 years ago

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Sulungta2

14 years ago

Thanks seoman, I don't trust you, except you show me your site when your done!

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agnelrollins194

14 years ago

I think the audience that your site is ranked within a few weeks or a month at the track will be the real key here. Some say it was a bit strong the doors and if your site does not receive all the traffic that the activity of link building will look very artificial / suspect in the eyes of Google. How many people related to your site if your site is traffic? It does not look natural.

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