The Problem with Link Wheels.

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Hi, I spent a lot of time studying structures but sincerely don't know the problem that google has with the link wheels.:confused:

#search engine optimization #link #problem #wheels
  • Both.

    Any footprint that points to an effort to manipulate Google's algo will be frowned upon. Especially since they want you to build for users and not them.

    Peripheral sites pointing to main would not be that much of an issue really, but it is another proof that you are trying to manipulate Google's algo.

    With the last Google update, a lot of the pages in the link wheel have been declared of no value, which short-circuits the entire process for you.

    If you are going to play games with Google's algorithms, leave fewer obvious footprints.
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    • Perfectly said. I should point out that if most who use link wheels were to map out a page's links into a graph, they would very well see the issue and risks with what they are doing. Algorithms can sniff this kind of stuff out fairly quickly.

      The biggest problem with link wheels (or gaming links period) is that most of the content isn't meant to be seen by anyone. In fact, for the person who is using this strategy, they hope that NO ONE sees it.

      Besides being a huge time sink, it really isn't that efficient of a model either. Think about it this way...you could build this huge web of links that is going to provide you absolutely no immediate value (unless you rank, which is another story altogether), OR you could spend your time finding your market online, engaging your market, networking with the influencers and building a solid presence that transcends SEO. Do that, and you are closer to not only google proofing your business but actually making a difference within your market.

      It is more efficient of a model.

      Article marketing is the same thing. You could toss masses of spun articles out there that no one is going to see OR you could find where you market is and find a way to interact with your market via real syndication on real websites that get real traffic.

      Marketers making a difference? Who'd a thunk dat?
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    • This ^

      As marketers you can't help BUT leave some kind of trial but as long as you make sure that your content is NATURALLY filtered through to Google and of VERY high quality you will actually get ranked better than any link wheel.

      In my experience anyway.

      Chris
  • Nothing is wrong with a link wheel. Interlinking each spoke on the wheel will cause a decay though, so you don't have perpetual juice being passed.

    A link push is the most effective way, which there is no footprint and there is nothing google can do to punish you.

    Even link wheels, you won't be penalized for... If anyone argues with that, then why aren't you doing it to your competition?
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    • Yeah, but the links will be devalued. If are exclusively using link wheels and the spokes are worthless, what is the difference between the links being penalized and them not having value? Either way, you are just wasting your time.
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  • Linkwheels in the traditional sense are/have been easily detected by google. Other types of structures such as link pyramids, linkpushing, and mininets still work.
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  • Guys I really apreciate your comments, I didn't know anything about linkpushing and mininet (It's like a piramyd structure).

    Can you explain me what do you mean with mininet? and link pushin?

    Link pushing maybe it's like a queue of sites?
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    • Only one way links, no interlinking. You can view my attachment above for an example.
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    • Here's a good diagram for you:

  • Ok only one way, but mininet is the same thing?

    And why don't link the back sites also?
    ex:
    siteA-->SiteB-->MoneySite

    Why you don't link also SiteA to the MoneySite?
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    • If you link SiteA to the MoneySite, then the link to SiteB that also points to the MoneySite makes the footprint rather obvious, doesn't it?
  • ¬¬? sorry but I'm a noob
    whats the really thing that leaves the footprint in a web 2.0?
    ..........................................
    I se also that a lot of web 2.0 properties have dofollow links that are out of your control, so they are losing link juice that you need. There are any kind of web 2.0 properties that lose less link juice? or they are all the same?
  • Thanks for the helpful tips here. I see a lot of backlinking services on this forum and this thread provides me very valuable inputs.

  • It is mostly A. You can read about it more indepth if you check out the 2007 patents for google. But to put it simply, once a Google Spider goes through a series of links and at some point it lands back onto the original, it can tell that this is some sort of link wheel, and if this occurs often enough, the links will be devalued. This is why I only do Diverse Link Pyramids.
  • Yea, link pushing is basically the same as a link pyramid. You are basically making the links to your site stronger, by building or "pushing" more links or "link juice" through them.
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