Is "dateless sniper" theme by courtney tuttle, the Best SEO Optimized?

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hello warriors,

I was trying to find the best "FREE" SEO optimized theme for WP

"I already searched Google" so thanks for the suggestion!!!

I did the usual variety of Google searches, but the info that is returned is only as good as your ability to interpret the results. I went to the results pages and reviewed a number of themes. I realize there "could be" inaccuracy in as far as if a theme is truly "inherently optimized"

So instead I'm looking for your 1st hand knowledge

I know there are things like "seo all in one pack" and other plugins to help, but I'm trying to find the best one "from the get go"!

*(hope that didn't sound standoffish or rude)

So I'm trying to find someone in the "know" rather than someone referring me to a theme because they like it, or that the site the theme was located on simply says "seo optimized" (you wouldn't believe it but some internet marketers will say just about anything to have you visit them! lol!)

the closest I could come is "dateless sniper" theme by courtney tuttle
It seems to be touted by another ??? hmmm ?? ummm?? (forum *cough*) that is respected, plus the words by the creator of the theme seem to suggest it is optimized in that sense....

But it is an older them (2008) and I'm wondering if something "FREE" (*cough*) exists that you might know about?

thanks if you have any feedback...

Danni~

(ps: In case you might feel the question is predicated on "what will I be I'm doing with it?" (aka selling, promoting, blogging, etc.,...) that's a good question, but please if you have a suggestion, because I might be doing "different things" anything you have definitively know would be helpful, however promoting many things !!! in diff niches and diff aff networks, however I won't be marketing via "single landing pages")
#courtney #dateless sniper #optimized #seo #theme #tuttle
  • Profile picture of the author Fraggler
    What is an SEO Optimised theme?

    You should find out exactly what they are referring to as it is often just rot. You can fix up any theme that might have some issues in the matter of minutes.

    It usually isn't the theme that causes the issue. It is the way content is added and organised after the theme is installed.

    It is how you interlink your other pages from the content of your articles.

    It is using your alt tags on your images and title tages for your links.

    It is using tags wisely - to improve usability and not for the sake of it.

    It is using the homepage as a portal page and not a content page.

    It is writing a good description so you get CLICK THROUGHs from the Google results.

    It is a lot of things that the theme plays no part in.

    By looking for the magic solution you are limiting your options while not actually learning about SEO. Learn about SEO first and you will realise that the theme doesn't play much oif a role.
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    • Profile picture of the author Mike Grant
      Originally Posted by Fraggler View Post

      What is an SEO Optimised theme?

      You should find out exactly what they are referring to as it is often just rot. You can fix up any theme that might have some issues in the matter of minutes.

      It usually isn't the theme that causes the issue. It is the way content is added and organised after the theme is installed.

      It is how you interlink your other pages from the content of your articles.

      It is using your alt tags on your images and title tages for your links.

      It is using tags wisely - to improve usability and not for the sake of it.

      It is using the homepage as a portal page and not a content page.

      It is writing a good description so you get CLICK THROUGHs from the Google results.

      It is a lot of things that the theme plays no part in.

      By looking for the magic solution you are limiting your options while not actually learning about SEO. Learn about SEO first and you will realise that the theme doesn't play much oif a role.
      When someone talks about an "seo optimized theme", they're typically referring to the coding. A clean, compact coding can make a huge difference.
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      • Profile picture of the author Dano1981
        Originally Posted by Fraggler View Post

        What is an SEO Optimised theme?

        It is the way content is added and organised after the theme is installed.

        It is how you interlink your other pages from the content of your articles.

        It is using the homepage as a portal page and not a content page.

        It is a lot of things that the theme plays no part in.
        thank you frag for your thoughtful breakdown....
        interesting point about making sure it's a "portal"
        I know interlinking is important, I thought the way a theme is designed and how friendly it's coded (on a sidebar for example) would help and address that point?


        Originally Posted by Mike Grant View Post

        When someone talks about an "seo optimized theme", they're typically referring to the coding. A clean, compact coding can make a huge difference.
        thank you very much mike, I appreciate it

        and yes that was my understanding as well
        and instead of a designer just making a theme because it "looks good"
        it's made to the logistics of SEO and spidering, tags, placement, and keyword consideration, etc.,..the little things(not little to you or I!), that designers are not focused on
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        • Profile picture of the author scott g
          Originally Posted by Dano1981 View Post

          and yes that was my understanding as well
          and instead of a designer just making a theme because it "looks good"
          it's made to the logistics of SEO and spidering, tags, placement, and keyword consideration, etc.,..the little things(not little to you or I!), that designers are not focused on

          Wow that is an ugly theme! Reminds me of the Xfactor/Clickbump plain-jane themes they came out with for their MFA sites. Any site can be SEO optimized... Stay away from Flash and LOTS of Java though.

          PHP and HTML can be tweaked pretty easily... Don't get plugin happy thought b/c that will make your code look like crap like Mike was saying.

          You can have a good looking, appealing site that is perfectly optimized for search engine spidering... Just gotta know how to do it!
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          • Profile picture of the author Dano1981
            thanks scott,

            I am going for a mobs type philosophy of building dozens of sites in small traffic niches. In order to do that I need a simple theme and one that is SEO optimized or friendly.... And right, I don't want to "optimize(not if I can help it) a theme via "plugins" if I don't have to

            So I'm seeking something simple, yet optimized already for that type of site, and simple would seem to be the name of the game

            "Ugly" that's what beautiful words and pictures(linked) are for!!! (giggles!

            Danni~
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  • Profile picture of the author GeorgR.
    I'd also say that this debate is WAY too overrated....what they consider "SEO optimized" themes (on code level)...this is often nothing more than marketing hype.

    There are free themes out there which are not more or less "seo optimized" than Thesis or other premium themes.

    There are VERY FEW factors which play a role on theme level...mainly how the theme sets H tags since some themes are really stupid in that regard and do NOT set your post title in H1 but you BLOG title instead.

    And maybe how some themes dont have the option to put NoFollow on archives etc...or dont do excerpt for archives.

    But nothing you can not do with a wordpress plugin. And even the worst "non seo optimized" themes can be hacked quickly and make SEO friendleir if you know how to edit HTML and edit how they set H tags. (in case they dont set tags right)
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  • Profile picture of the author yukon
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    Originally Posted by Dano1981 View Post

    (ps: In case you might feel the question is predicated on "what will I be I'm doing with it?" (aka selling, promoting, blogging, etc.,...) that's a good question, but please if you have a suggestion, because I might be doing "different things" anything you have definitively know would be helpful, however promoting many things !!! in diff niches and diff aff networks, however I won't be marketing via "single landing pages")
    Your looking at the theme selection process wrong IMO.

    Example, If your new site is an image gallery, you wouldn't want a theme designed for an article site.

    Like Fraggler said, it's not so much about finding a single theme that solves all your seo needs (doesn't exist).

    Build the site the way you want it to look, then when that's done let the seo begin.

    Keep in mind to stay away from flash & javascript (WP-themes). Flash sucks as far as seo, javascript sometimes can come in handy for some advanced hiding of on-page content that you don't want Google to pick up, all javascript isn't equal.
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    • Profile picture of the author Dano1981
      thank you george and yukon!

      I can't code or remake a theme, so that's one o the reasons I am looking for the best one "out the door"

      Essentially I'll make sites that have maybe between 500 to 700 words per page (anywhere between 3-20 pages, most likely between 10-20)

      no posts, only pages, and then of course an anchor text link call to action
      and perhaps 2 to 4 images per page(linked to offers), interspersed thorough the text of a given page....

      the sidebar I was hoping to get a listing visible of all the pages on the site, I seem to be able to do that without much trouble, using a "page" widget(or at least in the dateless sniper theme)

      as far as offers it will be mixed with digital (CB) and or other physical products....

      I know it sounds terrible, but I won't be able to "adapt" a particular sites theme because of the product or service, I have to keep things rather uniform ...mildy change something? "yes, but not something over all diff, that's why I'm looking for a theme that works in general, I don't know how to code, I can do some really simple html, but then again I'm mainly a "non-tech" type



      Danni~
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  • Profile picture of the author christopher jon
    I'd also say that this debate is WAY too overrated....what they consider "SEO optimized" themes (on code level)...this is often nothing more than marketing hype.
    Quoted for truth.

    SEO at the code level isn't that complicated.

    Check this link out.

    After reading that you'll have a pretty strong grasp on SEO for wordpress which will better help you find what you are looking for.

    When it comes to a theme, the more crap it has or does, the worse it probably is. Every little bell n' whistle slows the site down. Same goes for plugin abuse.

    A lot of designers who aren't active in the marketing community kinda suck at SEO and marketers needs and most of them (especially over at themeforest) are in a cool features arms race to pack as much crap as they can into a single theme. They look pretty and run like crap.
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    • Profile picture of the author Dano1981
      thank you very much jon, I appreciate the link
      I will review

      I am the 1st one to recognize the issue with heavy overbloated themes, I have one like that which is why I wanted to go the complete opposite and either get something "stripped down" put still coded properly and or good basic structure for the things most of us associate with seo

      I noticed no one ever went to check out that dateless sniper theme, and looked at it and said whether or not it was worthy? I thought for sure you guys would tell me if that was a "good basic stripped down but very good" but no one really did! ??? a little perplexing? anyway

      I will say it seems to be very fast and if it's seo optimised then it is great! not very "gorgeous" but I suppose it lacks all the "bells and whistles" but then like you said I believe that lac of "garbage" equates to increased speed!



      Originally Posted by christopher jon View Post

      Quoted for truth.

      SEO at the code level isn't that complicated.

      Check this link out.

      After reading that you'll have a pretty strong grasp on SEO for wordpress which will better help you find what you are looking for.

      When it comes to a theme, the more crap it has or does, the worse it probably is. Every little bell n' whistle slows the site down. Same goes for plugin abuse.

      A lot of designers who aren't active in the marketing community kinda suck at SEO and marketers needs and most of them (especially over at themeforest) are in a cool features arms race to pack as much crap as they can into a single theme. They look pretty and run like crap.
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  • Profile picture of the author honed
    Dano,

    There are a load of free themes and many that are cheap. In either case, install the SEO plugins, such as the one by Yoast and that will help a lot with on-page SEO. It makes it dead simple. If you can spend a few $$, grab SEOPressor. It's quite good.

    Some themes boast about being SEO 'ready' or "friendly' but the plugins will do the work in any case.
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      HTML


      Done.

      (I don't think that's a word WHATEVA!)
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  • Profile picture of the author honed
    Dano-

    I just made a Wordpress site, ported over the good content from our old site (crappy) and I used one free and one paid SEO plugin and out of 12 keywords, I am ranking in the top ten (2) and 5 more from page two to five. The only thing I did was WP. (Check my posting history, you'll see how I couldn't believe that WP & SEO plugins made such a difference.

    I can't stress enough that Wordpress is easy, there are many free themes and the on page SEO plugins make your job incredibly simple. I've done the html/php, flash builders and others and what I learned is that I want to actually spend my time efficiently.

    You don't need to code. There is so much simplicity in this CMS you can't believe it. There are many free themes on WP, there are free themes on torrents - there is even a section on SEO themes!
    wordpress . org/extend/themes/tags/seo-friendly ( I can't post URLs!)

    My firsthand knowledge is taking a site that never ranked for any keywords at all (under 1000) and in three weeks time, doing nothing other than rebuilding it in WP, now rank. That is my experience.

    If you spend any money at all, I've never had an easier time with SEOPressor. If you were sitting here and I showed you how easy this is, you'd be in disbelief.
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    • Profile picture of the author Dano1981
      thank you very very much honed

      Yes I am only using WP...... you know it's funny you mention that because I think we are on similar wavelengths in that I too am targeting very low comp LT kws and as such keeping things just above 800 to 3000 searches per month. Just trying to find and understand the right balance is as far as multiple pages and how everything comes together because all the ltkw I use per page, will be slightly diff to give an overall "more power" effect...in a sense!

      can I ask how many pages and or did you target diff kw phrases ?
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      • Profile picture of the author honed
        Originally Posted by Dano1981 View Post

        thank you very very much honed

        Yes I am only using WP...... you know it's funny you mention that because I think we are on similar wavelengths in that I too am targeting very low comp LT kws and as such keeping things just above 800 to 3000 searches per month. Just trying to find and understand the right balance is as far as multiple pages and how everything comes together because all the ltkw I use per page, will be slightly diff to give an overall "more power" effect...in a sense!

        can I ask how many pages and or did you target diff kw phrases ?
        Dano-

        Much of the site is simple. 15 pages, half have galleries with text and photos that span another several pages each. But the 12 keywords are linked to 12 pages off the homepage.

        My suggestion is that you write the site and as Charlie says "One speed. Go!". If you don't like the theme, plug in a new one. 3 seconds. Simple.

        Now, as for SEOPressor, it's $47 and just worth it. There are other good plugins, Yaost is a good one, I use that as well as SEOPressor. I just like the SEO on page ranking. It works like this: You write your page or post and the SEOPressor tells you how this post/page looks as far as SERP and gives you a score. Not only that, but it has suggestions that tell you, you need to do this or that. For instance, you need an image with an alt tag using your keyword. Then when you do it, and click update, your score reflects that. It is that easy. There are others that can help a lot, this was good for me and to be honest, it wasn't my $47. But if it was, I'd still spend it.

        So you know, I am ranking in 7 of the 12 now and one is a MF bitch of a keyword. I literally installed WP, set up the same pages that the old site had, copied the text, the images and then used SEOPressor to make a lot of adjustments. That's pretty much it. It was about a week in when the first rankings sprouted and a little more every day.

        Just try this: Pick a theme, one you like, the SEO ones from the link I couldn't post (because I'm too new) or the 2010 theme that pdrs suggested. Get your content up. Do the on page optimization. Make sure that your page titles are good as well. The Yoast SEO plugin helps with that. Have good content and see how you do.
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        • Profile picture of the author Dano1981
          honed,

          that's really interesting (bed time here on the west coast!)
          I (honestly can't afford to pay attention!) can't do the seopressor although it sounds really nice. I just went to take a look at the yoast plugin (and I started the vid too!) it looks like it's in beta. It didn't mention a cost?

          anyhow that is an impressive story you got there kiddo!

          it sounds like it really helped you rank, I noticed it incorporates things like "conical" and where when I see stuff on the "all in one seo pack" (which is what I use) people never mention "conicals" (I don't even know what they are!)

          are you doing a bunch of niche sites with low comp as well?
          I mean I know you are doing something similar, but wasn't sure if you were following that "theme" with all your sites?

          The way I was trying to do it was to create a site where the main KW could have up to 3k to 30k or possibly more searches, and then accompanying long tails which are simply long tails of the main keyword, so that the entire site is a hierachy of that KW phrase(kw or kw phrase, but at the number of searches I'm shooting for most likely even the main KW is a phrase or at least 2 words)

          so therefore the site has between 10 to 20 pages each page with about 1,000 search ( plus or minus) but cumulatively you got a bigger draw

          Danni~

          Originally Posted by honed View Post

          Dano-

          Much of the site is simple. 15 pages, half have galleries with text and photos that span another several pages each. But the 12 keywords are linked to 12 pages off the homepage.

          My suggestion is that you write the site and as Charlie says "One speed. Go!". If you don't like the theme, plug in a new one. 3 seconds. Simple.

          Now, as for SEOPressor, it's $47 and just worth it. There are other good plugins, Yaost is a good one, I use that as well as SEOPressor. I just like the SEO on page ranking. It works like this: You write your page or post and the SEOPressor tells you how this post/page looks as far as SERP and gives you a score. Not only that, but it has suggestions that tell you, you need to do this or that. For instance, you need an image with an alt tag using your keyword. Then when you do it, and click update, your score reflects that. It is that easy. There are others that can help a lot, this was good for me and to be honest, it wasn't my $47. But if it was, I'd still spend it.

          So you know, I am ranking in 7 of the 12 now and one is a MF bitch of a keyword. I literally installed WP, set up the same pages that the old site had, copied the text, the images and then used SEOPressor to make a lot of adjustments. That's pretty much it. It was about a week in when the first rankings sprouted and a little more every day.

          Just try this: Pick a theme, one you like, the SEO ones from the link I couldn't post (because I'm too new) or the 2010 theme that pdrs suggested. Get your content up. Do the on page optimization. Make sure that your page titles are good as well. The Yoast SEO plugin helps with that. Have good content and see how you do.
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  • Profile picture of the author talksmart
    Dano
    how can i understand which wp theme is useful for my websites?
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  • Profile picture of the author Natlex
    Almost all of the wp themes do well with SEO naturally, just by being part of WP. All you have to do is make sure you have a plugin like all in one SEO, that usually takes care of making sure all the SEO is done for you. On my blog I recommend artisteer for simple themes that do well for SEO and adsense clicks but you do have to pay to get that program. Either way, a lot of people advertise "SEO ready" themes but with simple plugins almost all themes become "SEO" ready. (I say almost because if a theme has a lot of errors, which something like webmaster tools would tell you anyways, than ya it might be bad for SEO)
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  • Profile picture of the author pdrs
    My Recommendation: Twenty Ten (the theme that comes with wordpress) and Yoast SEO! Plugin.

    That's really all you need.

    It's sleek, it's easy to throw together a decent looking banner using xHeader. It's perfectly optimized, especially if you throw your recent posts down the right hand side widget and don't clutter things up.

    And more importantly, it works great, or has for me anyways.
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    • Profile picture of the author JDiNozzo
      I too think that XHeader header graphics software is a nice little tool for creating the perfect header graphic for your site. I've enjoyed using the free version, and can't believe how much you get from just the free version alone!

      It's so good that I even use it as a standard graphics editor from time to time. Can't go wrong with XHeader if you want a great looking header to compliment your already well optimized site. It's the icing on the cake!

      Originally Posted by pdrs View Post

      My Recommendation: Twenty Ten (the theme that comes with wordpress) and Yoast SEO! Plugin.

      That's really all you need.

      It's sleek, it's easy to throw together a decent looking banner using xHeader. It's perfectly optimized, especially if you throw your recent posts down the right hand side widget and don't clutter things up.

      And more importantly, it works great, or has for me anyways.
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      • Profile picture of the author Dano1981
        nice stuff denofrio!

        appreciate the share, I will look into a bit later

        Danni~

        Originally Posted by JDiNozzo View Post

        I too think that XHeader header graphics software is a nice little tool for creating the perfect header graphic for your site. I've enjoyed using the free version, and can't believe how much you get from just the free version alone!

        It's so good that I even use it as a standard graphics editor from time to time. Can't go wrong with XHeader if you want a great looking header to compliment your already well optimized site. It's the icing on the cake!
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  • Profile picture of the author honed
    Danni -

    We're from the same hood. Bedtime soon.

    I'm running a site for a bricks and mortar, so while I know what you mean, I'm off in a different place, SEO-wise.

    Yoast is free, I didn't see it as a beta and read his blog, he's full of good information and ideas. I have to tell you that I am not the one to tell you if your method is a good one or not, but from everything I read, you start with good content and build from there. That's one of the good things about that plugin. You know where to have your keyword density, so you have enough to be effective, but not so much as to be spammy.

    Once I can PM, I'll send you a note that might help a bit.
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  • Profile picture of the author honed
    Danni-

    You have Dropbox? If so, PM me your public folder and I'll drop a note/stuff to you there.

    If you don't go get it. It's awesome and free.
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