Can you Buy Backlinks that Don't Suck?

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My client asked me the other day if we could just BUY backlinks. He's in a really competitive keyword phrase and I am having a hard time getting him into the top 100 - SEO is solid. I've been trying to do backlinks by hand, but I'm not convinced they're doing a whole lot of good.

So, it seems that these "auto" backlinkers tend to blast you to unrelated, often meh sites with decent (or not so decent) PR. How dangerous is that? The last thing I want is to be responsible for tanking his site. I told him it's not a great idea, but I wanted your input. Where's my best bet for GOOD backlinks that can be bought?

Eileen
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  • Profile picture of the author jazbo
    YOu do SEO for paying clients, but don't know the answers to the pro's and con's of automated linkbuilding?
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    • Profile picture of the author OKFarmgirl
      Originally Posted by jazbo View Post

      YOu do SEO for paying clients, but don't know the answers to the pro's and con's of automated linkbuilding?
      I actually started out writing copy for him. I'm new to SEO, but I've been pretty successful at it with my own website. And I don't think not knowing something makes you unqualified to do a job. Not finding out does.

      I think the best way to do your job right is to find out when you DON'T know something so you're not short-changing the customer by making something up. So now, do you have an answer, or did you just want to chastise me and leave?
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      • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
        Originally Posted by OKFarmgirl View Post

        I actually started out writing copy for him. I'm new to SEO, but I've been pretty successful at it with my own website. And I don't think not knowing something makes you unqualified to do a job. Not finding out does.
        Well if he started using you for copy first then I think that s a reasonable position to to take. I don't want to PM you without your permission but as I see it one of the reasons why alot of networks get destroyed is by sharing the services in forums like this. Then you find your real business client starts getting links with all kinds of other sites with ahem sexual enlargement products, affiliate links etc etc which make the pages look spammy. Drop me a PM for services I can recommend for buying links.
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        • Profile picture of the author fanatical
          Mike - I cannot PM you but wondered if you would be willing to share your experience with me too (via PM to me)? Thx in advance!
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  • Profile picture of the author GyuMan82
    Good automated blasts are a fundamental component to anybody trying to rank in a competitive niche.

    Yes you could do it manually, but that could take you years. If you are in some competitive niche like mortgage, real estate, etc. you aren't going to catch up to the Big Boys on Page 1 that have hundreds of thousands of links with your "manual" submissions.

    Anyway also note that sites linking to you will not harm your site. If that was the case, you could just Xrumer your competition into oblivion. You can only get penalized if your site itself links to bad neighborhoods (ie. porn, adult content, etc).

    Go to the warriors for hire section, there is a lot of talent there.
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    • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
      Originally Posted by GyuMan82 View Post

      Good automated blasts are a fundamental component to anybody trying to rank in a competitive niche.
      total malarkey. I can do search result after search result analysis and never come across a site that used a blast. There is nothing wrong with some automation but there is no need to use "blasts" and they are so weak that even in the much hyped "backlinks" result people are relying on paid links to hold position. If blasts were so fundamental there would be no reason to buy links and yet many of these sites do just that.

      Yes you could do it manually, but that could take you years. If you are in some competitive niche like mortgage, real estate, etc. you aren't going to catch up to the Big Boys on Page 1 that have hundreds of thousands of links with your "manual" submissions.
      Again this is nonsense. Go ahead and do the backlink search on real estate and you will see that they have high pagerank backlinks not blasts. Blasts by their nature can only give you tens of thousands of near worthless NA and PR 0 links. You will not take out anyone in the top three of real estate with a mass xrummer blast and if you even could the site displaced would only have to place one report to Google and get your site deranked (note not deindexed) back to oblivion

      Anyway also note that sites linking to you will not harm your site. If that was the case, you could just Xrumer your competition into oblivion. You can only get penalized if your site itself links to bad neighborhoods (ie. porn, adult content, etc).

      Go to the warriors for hire section, there is a lot of talent there.
      It takes no talent or knowledge to run a bot and the rationale that you could get your competitors deranked ignores the obvious fact that your competitor already has good links that would protect them. Very common sentiment but it doesn't stand up to scrutiny and there have been many people even ont his board that have seen their sites drop like a rock after a blast and they do not all come back.

      Blasts have been pushed for well over a year now and still people complain they can't get traffic and make money in IM . Why? because blasts are weak and not fundamental at all to getting ranked. They work for weak keywords that people could have ranked for without them and they are next to worthless in the niches you just mentioned without being propped up by real Pageranked links.

      To be flat out honest people would be ten times better off spending that money on some bought links with actual Pagerank
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  • Profile picture of the author OKFarmgirl
    Ok. I don't mind being pm'd, first of all. Second, I am not giving out his website - the one in my siggy is mine. I definitely don't want his site associated with porn and the like.

    I would also like to automate backlinks for MY site since my rankings for some keywords are decent while others are terrible.

    I guess my main concern was whether automated backlink creators could harm the site in G's eyes. I've read here that getting 1000 backlinks in a day or two will send up red flags. My client is not averse to paying someone to do more targeted, spaced out keywords, but I can't afford that kind of service - hence me doing it by hand.

    So - how to get backlinks quick enough that G won't de-index or plummet my SERPS without having to take years to do it myself. I'm not wanting to be lazy, just effective. Thanks!
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    • Profile picture of the author GyuMan82
      Originally Posted by OKFarmgirl View Post

      Ok. I don't mind being pm'd, first of all. Second, I am not giving out his website - the one in my siggy is mine. I definitely don't want his site associated with porn and the like.

      I would also like to automate backlinks for MY site since my rankings for some keywords are decent while others are terrible.

      I guess my main concern was whether automated backlink creators could harm the site in G's eyes. I've read here that getting 1000 backlinks in a day or two will send up red flags. My client is not averse to paying someone to do more targeted, spaced out keywords, but I can't afford that kind of service - hence me doing it by hand.

      So - how to get backlinks quick enough that G won't de-index or plummet my SERPS without having to take years to do it myself. I'm not wanting to be lazy, just effective. Thanks!

      Taking a quick look at your site, you definitely have to do some on-site work as it is not really optimized.

      With your question regarding backlinks, since you don't have many to your site, you probably want to start slow and then ramp it up.

      There is nothing wrong with manual linkbuilding, there is more than one way to get from Point A to Point B.

      But like I stated above, if your niche is competitive, you better do some sort of automated link building to keep up with your competition.

      Advocates of manual linkbuilding I think often forget that the competitors outranking them aren't there just purely on Xrumer/Scrapebox blasts etc. They have the High PR links too (whether built by hand or not), not to mention the 1000s of links that are built with automation software. So in the end, guess who google is gonna favor.

      But anyway for your site I would say start with a small linkbuilding package. There are many in the warriors for hire section that you can get for fairly cheap.

      Just don't go too crazy because your site has relatively few links, so start small and then move up.
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  • Profile picture of the author OKFarmgirl
    GyuMan - any feedback about what is problematic on my site? I think I've been doing well at SEOing my articles, but the site itself may need some help. I'll appreciate any advice you can give.
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    • Profile picture of the author GyuMan82
      Originally Posted by OKFarmgirl View Post

      GyuMan - any feedback about what is problematic on my site? I think I've been doing well at SEOing my articles, but the site itself may need some help. I'll appreciate any advice you can give.
      I was just taking a quick look at your homepage when I made the above comment. As you said upon further investigation the articles looked to be better SEO'd, though its 6am where I am and I'm pretty tired from work so I haven't taken an inbdepth look.

      That being said I was talking about your homepage.

      I am not sure really what keywords you are targeting for your homepage.

      Based on your Title Tag "Parker Pond Farm - Organic Gardening Information and Articles", the only thing there I can see as being worth anything in Search Volume wise would be "Organic Gardening" as other keyword variations like "Organic Gardening Information" and "Organic Gardening Articles" etc. have non-existent search volume, so optimizing your homepage for these words would be not really worth anything.

      Now getting back to "Organic Gardening", if you look at your competition on page 1, the sites in the top 10 are decently strong, and to be honest I think the work vs. reward of a page 1 ranking would be minimal.

      Weakest page there is gonna be a PR4 (not that thats super important, but still relevant), and the link profiles of all the websites are decently strong. So I think overall you would be better off optimizing for other long tail keywords that can bring traffic and aren't as competitive.

      Also meta keyword and meta description tags aren't really optimized. Sure they aren't weighted that heavily in Google, but they still do hold some weight in Yahoo and Bing, so you should just clean this up for good practice. But your current meta tags don't really help your site in any way.

      Also i would prefer a little more text on the homepage. At this point you really only have a few paragraphs with very general language, so that's not helping you either.

      However this is just my humble opinion off an initial glance at the site. I do like your site though
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      • Profile picture of the author paulgl
        Originally Posted by GyuMan82 View Post

        Also meta keyword and meta description tags aren't really optimized. Sure they aren't weighted that heavily in Google, but they still do hold some weight in Yahoo and Bing, so you should just clean this up for good practice. But your current meta tags don't really help your site in any way.
        Those meta tags are useless all the way around. Can't believe some are still
        worried about those. This is 2011, not 1997.

        If the question is, can you buy backlinks that don't suck,
        of course. You could find a reputable link broker. I sell links all
        the time. They rock. Contrary to a popular misreading of certain things.
        Google's whole empire is based on paid links.

        If you want to do it yourself, you find websites in the desired niche that
        are PR4 or higher, been around for at least 5 years, and can contact
        the owner directly. Going rate, for me anyway, is $35-$50 a month.

        Ge yourself a couple of those, and see what happens.

        Now if you mean going for the 10,000 links for $5 nonsense, no.

        Paid links are not dangerous if done the right way. People hear "paid links"
        and fall all over themselves.

        I know their are some great link "brokers" here on the WF.

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        • Profile picture of the author OKFarmgirl
          If you want to do it yourself, you find websites in the desired niche that
          are PR4 or higher, been around for at least 5 years, and can contact
          the owner directly. Going rate, for me anyway, is $35-$50 a month
          So if I'm reading this right, you charge that for one link on your site which people with sites relevant to yours would want? I'm thinking for now, that's out of my budget (I know, spend money to make money, but I'm beyond broke at the moment). But I'm exploring other avenues of article links and whatnot in the meantime and hopefully I'll get to the point where I can swing that (or maybe I'll find a full-time job, which in my local economy is dang near impossible!).

          Thanks for the tips!
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  • Profile picture of the author OKFarmgirl
    Thanks for the feedback. I've been trying to optimize for "Organic Gardening" and I realize I'm likely going to have a heck of a time ranking for that. This site isn't exactly a niche site - it's more of a passion thing. My articles are optimized for long-tail keywords, and that's where most of my traffic is coming from. I'll have to think on a long-tail phrase that would make sense for the homepage. I'll also think about how to maximize the text on the front page for whatever long-tail I figure out.

    Also, the META info is something I kind of spaced on, since it's not super important to Google, but you're right, my indexing in Bing and Yahoo sucks comparatively.

    What really sucks is that because of the Pond in Parker Pond Farm, I get a bunch of ads for pond stuff - not exactly relevant. I'm not sure what to do about that - do I eliminate our farm name from the header and put something more keyword related?

    Thanks for the compliment on the site - I've been working very hard at it, and it's definitely a labor of love. I have gotten almost 800 unique visits this month, which isn't crazy good, but not bad for only working at it for about a month and a half. The site's a year old, but it was insanely lame for the better part of that year.

    Thanks for the tips - I'll keep trucking and I'll look for a review on the Website Design forum once I've made some changes.

    You're awesome!
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  • Profile picture of the author MaryDD
    Some times, taking bulk links work good but I don't understand this thing, the back links are indexed slowly or what...?
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