I think the information given on this site is BS

You LOVE it? That would be news, indeed!

The deal is you obviously being ignorant of SEO yet trying to pass judgment on SEO services and SEO information.

It's evident by you chasing PR. I've no idea what a "Wordpress Plugins for SEO" has to do with your rant, care to explain.

Pretty funny how you mention this site is mostly BS but then you go on to say how much you love this site.

I think you just love BS and now are contributing to it.

But thanks it was funny to read.

Why do you even care about your PR if you're getting visitors? I DO have a pr0 that has been that way since I registered the domain in september...that is a site that gets more traffic, and I make more money off of, than a PR6.

Soo... you only have 100 something backlinks? Maybe you need to focus on higher quality backlinks, or maybe hire a professional SEO firm or individual to help you get results. Results aren't judged by PR though, in fact, you will be lucky to even have it updated again in 2011.. LOL.

Interesting for someone to go on a huge complaining rant and trying to lay on some guilt........then says I love this site. I don't see why anyone would want to help you. I can understand being frustrated and not making money but to vent out and blame the forum is just ridiculous.

It sounds like you bought a lot of "stuff" from people and didn't achieve great success quickly so you are upset. Websites and online success take time and they definitely require a lot of hard work and passion. You just need to figure that out and start to slowly get back into reality.

I think this post is not super useful or kind or appropriate. I have been using this forum for a few months, and yeah, there are some people who respond who don't know what they're talking about. I've made some mistakes based on their input, but that was very early on. For the most part, people are SO helpful and frankly, if you don't have the insight to take what people say and research it yourself before implementing it, that's no ones' fault but your own.

Regarding backlinks - I agree that if you're unhappy with the service someone has provided, then you should hold them accountable and perhaps give a review of the service so others are aware of your experience. But a big wah-fest isn't going to help you or anyone else.

He is right. You need to ask the person who sold you the service. You are going to run into "scumbags" everywhere you go in life and there will always some regrets. The internet is full of those type of people but you just need to do a lot of research and get to know the right people before you decide on investing your own money.

You just need to learn from your mistakes and move on.

Your PR will probably never get updated... it's old news and people haven't been getting updates for more than 6 months now. Page rank won't make you any more money, increase your conversions or even get you ranked higher. It doesn't matter any more.

If you're searching Yahoo for your backlinks and ALL of them show up, then be concerned.

I've built backlinks before and verified that each one of them were INDEXED and none of them showed up in any kind of backlink check. On average I only see 10-20% of my backlinks show up with those tools.

It doesn't mean that the links aren't there, it just means that tool isn't reporting it.

Instead of worrying about backlinks, you should be more concerned about the result you get from buying backlinks.

That's one of the main reasons I stopped offering backlink services. I'd shoot someone from no-where to page 2 in 2 weeks and they'd complain because none of the links were showing up in yahoo... then they'd dissapear instead of returning and getting their sites on page 1.. it made no sense why people would just stop right before success because they were more interested in reported backlinks and not SEO improvement.

You also have to take into consideration that if you were buying links, a LOT of them won't get indexed unless YOU do something about it.

There are a few good SEO services here on the warrior forum but you'll need to spend at least $47-$97 for a quality service.

Or you could take the time and learn it yourself and just hire a few outsourcers to do it much cheaper.

Your site is receiving "55,000 UNIQUE Visitors per month" thats more than 1700 a day... Whats not working?

Sam

If you are PR0 and can only see a small number of backlinks BUT you have good rankings and are pulling in a large number of unique visitors..who cares about those stats?!

Rankings, traffic and conversion is ALL you should be concerned about. If it's working for you then why change it or be unhappy with your stats?

Well from your post you said that you're getting 55,000 UNIQUE Visitors per month. i think that should be more than enaugh to get profits from your site. Don't bother to much with PR, if your website already bring good profits to your pocket then it's more value then a site with a high PR but low traffic and small to no profits at all. In the end the only you need to worried is that is your site still bring $$$ to your pockets my friend.

I wrote a decent-sized post in response to this, but I've just deleted it.

Quite honestly, I have no idea what your point is, or what your question is (if there is one at all).

Just what is the purpose of this thread, really? Because, to me, it seems like you're just spewing a lot of that "hot air" you've just declared your own hatred for!?

You wouldn't happen to be a hypocrite, would you? :confused: ??? :confused:

I hear you and you are dead right no matter what else you read in this thread. the big secret is that in many niches those packages just plain don't work. Backlink packages pretty much are good for long tail and weak competition. No one wants to come out and say that who sells those services. the common practice is to put up how they rank for some weak term like.

"red birds in autumn flying south"


No one wants to tell you that you are going to need to get some high pagerank on page links to stay afloat in competitive niches. Why? Because no one has figured out how to put together a product that can get you them with a click of a button.

do a backlink study of the term backlinks that used to be the proof search used. Today most of the sites for that very term have paid links because even in their own niche the backlink packages are not enough

For starters backlink reporting software is a complete joke. Where do you think they get the data for their reports? From the search engines themselves! Do you really think the SE's is going to provide you with the tools and info you need to crack their algorithms?

I actually have sites I backlink to every day religiously that only show 11 backlinks! Yet the sites are on page one for highly competitive keywords.

Which leads me to believe it is more profitable to smoke crack than it is to use backlink checkers.

So for starters quit equating website success to the amount of backlinks your software is reporting.

After that quit reading about all the different theories regarding seo and start backlinking to your site every day.

We are getting all of our traffic from promoting outside of the internet and on Facebook. Zero SEO.

We are using SEOMoz and our site is really grading high to their standards.

If I offended anyone then I do apologize but i am beginning to think that a lot of the "Black Hat" link building and article writing gigs that are posted on this site are nothing more than hot air.

I really do not understand how people on here could get upset with me for spitting out my frustrations about several services that I have purchased through this forum.

I am here to tell everyone here in the community that i think a lot of the stuff on this forum is a bunch of BS. I am not seeing any results at all from anything that i have purchased on here from the past few months. Perhaps it takes a lot longer than 4 or 5 months to kick in?

I did not start this topic to bash people. In fact i am not calling out any of the services that i have purchased.

I still enjoy the forum but i am learning that a lot of the "suggestions, methods, and services" provided on this forum are not very reliable at all.

Some on here are saying that I am getting my panties in wad. No I am not. I am just stating out the obvious and that I am clearly not seeing results from using things that i have tried on this website.

I am not going clearly off Page Rank which some of you are suggesting.

Several of my competitor's Page Ranks have indeed gone up in the past 2 months while mine is still at zero.

it has just been an extremely frustrating experience which is what my rant is about.

CrimsonTide, from reading this post and others you have posted in the past you definitely have the "victim" mentality about your situation. The "why me" state of mind that will never move you forward to accomplishing your goals.

You have been fooled by WSO's in the past that do not work to your expectations and what are you doing again right here in front of us all... falling for another warriors WSO.

Like the advice I have already given you, go out of find training from the authorities on SEO and LEARN seo. Stop looking for a magic button service where all you have to do is exchange a tiny bit of cash in return for top rankings... it does not work that way.

You have one option when it comes to knowing what seo services will work for you... PERSONALLY LEARN EVERYTHING ABOUT SEO. Once you know SEO you have two options...

1. Apply the strategies you know are effective in ranking yourself

or

2. Outsource the specific tasks you know to be effective

A general company that promises "top rankings" or "seo" without mentioning the methods like profile backlinks or blog comments etc. or how they plan on bringing you top ranking... probably fully doesn't understand seo. A company that offers top 5 rankings in 5 hours let alone one month DEFINITELY has no clue what their talking about.

If you want true high rankings for a competitive term and do not want to do it yourself, I would not trust any company that charges less than $5,000 PER MONTH and instantly can take you on as a client. Even with the worlds best seo team behind you it can and probably will take AT LEAST a year to rank a competitive site.

Ok so it sounds like you could do with some help/advice and this is defo the place for that buts its not the best start by saying that this site is full of BS as this is prob where you will get the best advice on this site!

I hear you. Congrats on your site, it sounds like you are doing better than most. It does get frustrating trying to market to marketers, no doubt.
Even I get frustrated trying to find answers here only to be sold by hundreds of people not doing any better in their program of choice.

That's why I started my own site giving people the things they need to make money online and showing people a free route (as well as a Paid route) so they could decide whats best instead of selling them on the next "thing" and people respect that.

Most Traffic exchanges and Forums kill me, and I love to hate them too
So see ya here tomorrow?

The only reason I asked to make the backlinks/keyword public is to:

1) See that the backlinks are actually completed

2) See that OP, understands the exact location those backlinks are placed, & that tools like Yahoo Explorer will not show every single backlink, which does not mean the backlink isn't live.

I don't doubt Matt can do the job (I don't even know Matt), & this is only a test for a single WSO out of hundreds If not thousands of other WSOs that won't be proven simply because those people that created all the other WSOs are not here to comment & defend their own WSOs.

Sure a lot of content on this forum (& the entire net) is crap, most times common sense will weed out the crappy stuff. Example, the WSOs/threads that tell you you how to make $3,471.18 this month. Dollar signs that make claims for your own personal gain are scams in any WSO/thread page Title.

On the other hand, I've read WSOs that only provided a very small detail that I didn't already know about, that helped me better myself & IM business.

It is what it is...

Okay, lets be real here for just a minute....55K uniques a month... you should be monetizing very well, and there is no reason you couldn't hire an SEO firm to triple your money.

While you're at it, why don't you test my sig as well. See if all providers are ****ty

I really feel sorry for you. You are getting 55,000 visitors per month, and you are bitching. So what you only have a hundred or so back links, go get some more if you want more. But you are doing pretty well with this site. I assume you are making money off of it, otherwise you need to figure out what your problem is as you have the traffic to be making a decent living if not a very good living.

Some people would bitch if they were hung with a new rope.

Some tips I have learned:
1. Don't be concerned with PR... only traffic
2. Learn SEO on your own - try different methods and see the results
3. Find a good linkbuilder - quality backlinks only
4. Study your competition - find the #1 or #2 or #3 websites and see how they got there... look at content, domain age & backlinks
5. Backlinks take a few months to have full effect sometimes longer.

Hope this helps!!

1st of all, your right...there is a lot of BS here and everywhere for that matter. I'm sorry it took you that long to find this out. But thats not to say there isn't good quality tools on here so anyone that takes offense to that is probably one of "those" people talking out of their ass.

The problem is you need to stop looking for a magic bullet. You need to put in the time to learn this stuff yourself so that you can differentiate the BS from quality programs and tactics.

2nd of all, why do you care if your Page Rank is 0? Are you planning on selling it later? If not, with that many visitors....who cares? Work on ranking for your keywords. And with 6000 pages, you should pick up tons of long tail keywords. PR is just a near worthless number.

Lastly, as far as backlinks go, its like PR..who cares how many show up in YSE/GOOGLE. They both choose which ones they want you to see and it varies day by day. Most they don't even show...so don't cling to this number.

Bottom line, are your SERPS going up, are your visitors going up. Anyway, I wish you the best of luck, this is a long journey that has its ups and downs but if you stick with it and take the time to learn the in and outs..you will go far.

I'll trade you your traffic for one of my PR3 sites if PR is what will make you happy?

Hi Crimson Tide,

You're complaining after buying some crap WSOs. And you kept buying crap WSOs after that.

That looks like YOU FAILED in making the right buying decisions.

How do you evaluate before you buy them? You can't just get sucked in by the Sales Pitch.

FIRST of ALL, you have to check reviews, instead of impulsive buying.
And in judging reviews, there are a few things to consider.

Remember reviews come from various levels of buyers. I'm just putting a general outline:

1. Reviews by Entry Level Newbies - usually they got so excited and their reviews were like they just found the Holy Grail. The WSO is new to them. To know whether they're Entry Level Newbies, check the number of posts they made and the sort of post they wrote. Then question yourself, are their reviews reliable enough to make decisions from?

2. Reviews by Newbies in IM and but NOT NEWBIES in cyberspace - usually they ask many questions. You'll noticed the maturity in their very words. Notice if their questions get answered properly by the WSO creator? If the WSO creator cannot give good answers. Then you shouldn't buy that WSO. Again, check out their posts to see what they are like.

3. Reviews by Senior Warriors. They usually ask very short and sharp questions. Many a times they get Free Review Copies. Then they will posts them. Each one of them have their reputations to take care off because they have their own WSOs. So, they won't spurt out reviews easily, without thinking of the consequences.

From out of the 3 above, tell me which one is reliable enough to make decisions from?

Personally, I would go for No.3 most of the time. If a product is not reviewed by Senior Warriors (who have their own WSOs), I will be more stringent in my decision.

I've bought some craps too. Two of them were so bad, that I almost puke. However, I will not ask for a refund. It is a penalty to myself for making stupid decisions made on impulse. Nonetheless, it would be a pleasure giving the two WSO creators a sharp hook up their chins if I ever come across them as part of my very personalized review. ... lol....

However, I've bought many,many more WSO's that are excellent and very enriching. I enjoyed every bit. They were able to change my perceptions on things - ( very rare occurrence for an highly opinionated old person like me ).

Finally, please don't insult others for decisions you have personally made, foolishly. Happens to everyone, every now and then. Humans do that and should learn from it.

Just be more stringent in future.

I understand EXACTLY what the original poster here has said...

... In fact he gave me lots of great pain point copy to use in my own promotion to sell my traffic secrets.

OP - thank you. I hear your frustrations. Absolute gold and no one here saw it.

Think about this.. what does google want most of all, what does your site visitors want most of all and what does other site/blog owners what most of all? If you can figure this out then you will have back links, traffic and money poring in by the buckets. Don't expect it to happen over night though.. it takes years to achieve these results. Also consider that wso's are not going to make you rich, it's the little bits and pieces you learn from the wso's that will eventually earn you money.. that is if implemented properly. Think of it like this.. warrior forum + wso's = college tuition.

This thread confused the hell out of me

omg i made a mistake.. someone call the forum police! lol. point is that no one is going to make money out of the gate after buying one wso.

If you're just on the warrior forum to buy cheap services then that's where you're going wrong. Take the time to build relationships, instead of alienating peoplewith posts like this, read advice, learn from those who have succeded. AND most importantly tell others how you are succeeding and share the love if you're getting that amount of traffic then what's your secret? I wouldn't mind 1700 visitors a day I could retire...