Is Google Farmer now frowning on links to Authority Sites?

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So this is odd ..

Yesterday a gal in the marketing dept of Overstock.com emails me to remove a generic link to Overstock.com and that I am violating Google's Paid link Policies?
located here Paid links - Webmaster Tools Help

What is odd is that
1) This site had no adsense ads running on it ? and nothing to do with adwords or adsense?
2) The link was just added as a authority site link (no affiliate id or anything)

So I wrote the gal from Overstock.com back and asked
How is adding a bare link to your site (as a nice gesture to our visitors) a violation of any policies?

She then wrote me back that Google had reached out to them to investigate these links? .. again very odd?

So since Google doesn't tell us anything .. I can only infer from this that Google may be frowning on adding links to high PR sites (especially authority sites) I had long heard for good SEO it was a good thing to link to authority sites but maybe not anymore?

Maybe I am reading into this bit too much, but can someone elaborate on how a simple bare link to an authority site may be a problem with Google now?

If this is now the case .. then this just seems a bit un-natural to me?
We cannot recommend our visitors to other quality resources?
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  • Profile picture of the author JohnMcCabe
    Something sounds very, very odd here.

    First, that Google would "reach out" to a single commercial website about specific links at all. Second, that a non-affiliate, in-context link would create a problem without something else going on.

    If I had to venture a guess, Overstock probably bought text links in the past and got caught with their hand in the cookie jar. Now they're tryig to cover their butts by eliminating as many text links as they can, paid or not.

    Another factor could be their recent O.co launch. They may be trying to reduce the number of backlinks to the old url in favor of the new branding. It doesn't make a lot of sense, but sometimes companies do strange things for their own reasons.

    I'd just remove the Overstock link as requested and find another source you can refer your readers to - one which will appreciate the freebie.
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    • Profile picture of the author Trivum
      Originally Posted by JohnMcCabe View Post

      If I had to venture a guess, Overstock probably bought text links in the past and got caught with their hand in the cookie jar. Now they're tryig to cover their butts by eliminating as many text links as they can, paid or not.
      This is where I would place my money.
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    • Profile picture of the author IM Ash
      Originally Posted by JohnMcCabe View Post

      If I had to venture a guess, Overstock probably bought text links in the past and got caught with their hand in the cookie jar. Now they're tryig to cover their butts by eliminating as many text links as they can, paid or not.
      You hit the nail on the head John. This is exactly why Overstock are now paranoid about every link to their site. But in their case they did a type of link exchange. They were actually penalized just as JC Penny was for utilizing blackhat tactics:

      Google Penalizes Overstock. . .
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    • Profile picture of the author simonbuzz
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      Originally Posted by JohnMcCabe View Post

      Something sounds very, very odd here.

      First, that Google would "reach out" to a single commercial website about specific links at all. Second, that a non-affiliate, in-context link would create a problem without something else going on.

      If I had to venture a guess, Overstock probably bought text links in the past and got caught with their hand in the cookie jar. Now they're tryig to cover their butts by eliminating as many text links as they can, paid or not.

      Another factor could be their recent O.co launch. They may be trying to reduce the number of backlinks to the old url in favor of the new branding. It doesn't make a lot of sense, but sometimes companies do strange things for their own reasons.

      I'd just remove the Overstock link as requested and find another source you can refer your readers to - one which will appreciate the freebie.
      I was also thinking about that...
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  • Profile picture of the author Trivum
    By the way, I don't think this is a problem for YOU. ... Seems like Overstock's problem, not yours.

    The idea that you make the web a better place by linking to authority sites still holds and will probably always hold. Google will never be able to get away from that reality.
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  • Profile picture of the author Zeus66
    Wow. Think about this for a second. Are you really going to be Google's puppet to the extent that you'd reduce the user experience on your own site just to please Google?

    What IS Google but a big batch of non-affiliate links to site they deem worthy? What is Google's own stated goal -- to give their own users the best, most relevant results when they conduct searches. How utterly hypocritical would it be of them to penalize any other site that follows that same philosophy?
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    • Profile picture of the author Trivum
      Originally Posted by Zeus66 View Post

      What IS Google but a big batch of non-affiliate links to site they deem worthy? What is Google's own stated goal -- to give their own users the best, most relevant results when they conduct searches. How utterly hypocritical would it be of them to penalize any other site that follows that same philosophy?

      Ah, but they do -- regularly and mercilessly.

      Case in point: Google is essentially a scraper (a smart one, yes, but still, at heart, a scraper). Yet they hate scrapers. Go figure.
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      • Profile picture of the author Zeus66
        Originally Posted by Trivum View Post

        Ah, but they do -- regularly and mercilessly.

        Case in point: Google is essentially a scraper (a smart one, yes, but still, at heart, a scraper). Yet they hate scrapers. Go figure.
        Google may well take you down a peg if you're doing things with your outbound links that point to bad neighborhoods, etc. but Google isn't penalizing anyone for having outbound links to highly regarded sites.
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        • Profile picture of the author Trivum
          Originally Posted by Zeus66 View Post

          Google may well take you down a peg if you're doing things with your outbound links that point to bad neighborhoods, etc. but Google isn't penalizing anyone for having outbound links to highly regarded sites.
          What I meant was they regularly punish you for doing things that they themselves do. ... "Do as I say, not as I do." I think that's the OFFICIAL (albeit secret) Google motto.
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    • Profile picture of the author joejoechen
      Originally Posted by Zeus66 View Post

      Wow. Think about this for a second. Are you really going to be Google's puppet to the extent that you'd reduce the user experience on your own site just to please Google?
      LOL! You're damn right on this. And, it's def overstock's problem, not yours. You're free to have ANY links on your site and no one is there to tell do to remove them, especially if the link helps your visitor experience

      Joe
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  • Profile picture of the author Matt.Lake
    A lot of the comments are a bit off track here.

    To the op, yes you're reading into it wrong.

    Overstock.com was one of the websites, along with JC Penny, that was recently flamed for using paid, or at least spammy-looking, links to intentionally manipulate the SERPs. The media made quite a big fuss about it all, because they're such big companies and it was so blatant.

    Because it's a big and well known site, Google did reach out "personally" and manually lower the sites rankings.

    So, basically what Overstock is doing now is going out and removing as many of these spammy links, in order to hopefully get back in Google's good books. It just so happens that the link on your site to overstock.com probably looks like a paid link, or simply one that doesn't look like it occurred naturally, even though it technically did.

    They're just trying to clean up their backlink profile. Will it make a difference them by removing the link on your site? No, and you don't have to. But that's why they're asking you to do so.

    So to answer your question, no, Google is not now frowning on links to authority websites. If it helped in the past, then it likely will now.
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  • Profile picture of the author cheezystix2
    Thanks for the comments ..

    I think the comments about Overstock having issues may be the real cause of the original email, to clean up their site and not mine.

    I just wasn't sure if something had changed with adding outbound bare links to authority sites for good SEO. Just to confirm .. these are still ok and beneficial, correct? or should I be adding nofollow tags on all these?
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    • Profile picture of the author cheezystix2
      Sorry .. I think I did get my answer
      Thanks Guys

      "Google isn't penalizing anyone for having outbound links to highly regarded sites"

      "no, Google is not now frowning on links to authority websites. If it helped in the past, then it likely will now."
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  • Profile picture of the author cheezystix2
    I just found it odd they’d write I was doing something wrong simply by suggesting their site to my visitors. They really just needed to ask, or ask somewhat nicely and I would have done this np.

    But, Now I am sorta mad they went about it this way.
    I guess Overstock doesn't want people to suggest their site?

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  • Profile picture of the author kindsvater
    Now Overstock can pay you to remove your link.

    And maybe pay you some more so you don't add a few more links
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    • Profile picture of the author neojr
      If I was you I would never ask them to pay you to remove the link...
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      • Profile picture of the author cheezystix2
        lol ..

        Dear Overstock ..
        I love your site ..
        I will not remove the link ..
        and I will not accept even $1k to do so

        So that's what it's come to now?
        Sites have to pay people to NOT SUGGEST their site ..

        now that's funny
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  • Profile picture of the author jon99
    Originally Posted by cheezystix2 View Post

    So this is odd ..

    Yesterday a gal in the marketing dept of Overstock.com emails me to remove a generic link to Overstock.com and that I am violating Google's Paid link Policies?
    located here Paid links - Webmaster Tools Help

    What is odd is that
    1) This site had no adsense ads running on it ? and nothing to do with adwords or adsense?
    2) The link was just added as a authority site link (no affiliate id or anything)

    So I wrote the gal from Overstock.com back and asked
    How is adding a bare link to your site (as a nice gesture to our visitors) a violation of any policies?

    She then wrote me back that Google had reached out to them to investigate these links? .. again very odd?

    So since Google doesn't tell us anything .. I can only infer from this that Google may be frowning on adding links to high PR sites (especially authority sites) I had long heard for good SEO it was a good thing to link to authority sites but maybe not anymore?

    Maybe I am reading into this bit too much, but can someone elaborate on how a simple bare link to an authority site may be a problem with Google now?

    If this is now the case .. then this just seems a bit un-natural to me?
    We cannot recommend our visitors to other quality resources?

    They are violating, not you.
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  • Profile picture of the author dadamson
    LOL this is a funny one!!

    I seriously doubt that ranking to a topical authority site with a bare link will decrease you position in the SERPs.

    I would leave it there if it adds value to your visitors.

    It's overstocks problem, not yours!
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  • Profile picture of the author markowe
    I think people have pretty much got it figured out. Else how, pray tell, are the interwebs supposed to work if you are now not supposed to link to authority sites?! How do they become authority then? Google can't read minds yet, they can't figure out your intentions, though I am sure they are working on it
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    • Profile picture of the author arttse
      Just add the "nofollow" tag to the link and that should make Overstock happy.
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  • Profile picture of the author WealthWithin
    This is typical bureaucratic bullsh!t you get when you work in the online marketing dept. of large companies. (I know from experience)

    Overstock is trying to clean up the mess they've made. It's so messed up, they don't know which links they paid for and which they didn't.

    Ask her if they're going to pay you some $$$ to remove the links. Or tell them you're going to link more if they don't pay you some $$$. You can call it blackmail or freedom of speech, either way you have the power.
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  • Profile picture of the author markowe
    so wait, dofollow affiliate links would be ok though?! Just change it to an aff link

    I think it's bad form them getting caught out and then trying to scare webmasters with talk of "violations".
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  • Profile picture of the author markowe
    so wait, dofollow affiliate links would be ok though?! Just change it to an aff link

    I think it's bad form them getting caught out and then trying to scare webmasters with talk of "violations".
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    Who says you can't earn money as an eBay affiliate any more? My stats say otherwise

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  • Profile picture of the author richinca
    Google may be following up with major ranking retailers after the JCPenney backlink fiasco to insure that their top listings don't have any spam related links. You may have just been caught up in this, or maybe your site has been flagged as a bad neighborhood site? I'd contact Google and ask.
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  • Profile picture of the author tech84
    I don't think big G is "frowning" at links to authority websites, Overstock.com has been penalized by Big G for buying links to their website and they are tryng to clear up their inbound links as much as possible.

    So go ahead, link to authority websites, it's all good. lol
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  • Profile picture of the author cheezystix2
    Definitely not in a hurry to remove them ..

    Guess when "Big G" shines a light .. the roaches scurry ..
    I'll just be happy I'm the bug with a Big S on his chest holding his ground
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