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Jill Carpenter

13 years ago

I don't rely on google and first page ranking for all traffic, so yes. If it is a suitable domain I will just get it.

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Dan C. Rinnert

13 years ago

Is it a profitable niche?

Can you bring something new, unique or interesting to the niche?

If it's a profitable niche, the thing is whether you can carve out your own place in the niche. If you have a new perspective or new spin or new value you can bring in, I wouldn't worry about the competition.

On the other hand, if you're just going to be a cookie-cutter participant in the niche, you may get some money out of it, but you'll either have a lot of work or expense in driving people to the site or you'll just have to settle for whatever trickles in.

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mgallone

13 years ago

Believe me, the number of terms isn't always an indicator of competition strength. (Also, 1.7m doesn't seem like a huge number of results- may just take a bit more time on your part.)
Look at how strong your competitors are with regards to IBLs, amount of content and age.Whether or not they are DMOZ listed could also be a factor.
If it has the potential to be a very profitable niche- then go for it. The work you'll put in will really pay off, and there's no better feeling. However, if there isn't a huge amount of profit potential vs what you could get for work on a less competitive niche, then in might not be worth it.

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jamesrich1

13 years ago

The main question is what does the first 10 results look like. Go analyze the amount of backlinks pointing to the first 1-10 results. Are there any article sites, video, forum, yahoo answers or lower than 3 page ranks on the first page?

If there are go for it. If there are a lot of 3 and up page ranks with tons of backlinks pointing to the main keyword then I would stay away. With SEO you have to get to that first page.

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Scott Burton

13 years ago

Originally Posted by jideofor

As an Internet Marketer with experience, would you dare to do this...

I have found a mainkeyword.com , .net ,. org all available but when I checked the competition level with quotes around it, I got 1,780,000 pages as my result.

Since the mainkeyword.com/net/org are available, would you dare to dive into this market despite the level page competition ?

I know having the main keyword domain is good for seo reason and could bring in good traffic from google...

What would you do? Would you dare to register the domain name, set a WP site and the do some backlinks... What do you think would be the result if you dive in? success or failure?

I have mixed feelings, but the cost of jumping in is fairly low.

Here are some questions:
1) Do you know anything about mainkeyword?
1a) if you do, can you provide useful information on your own
1b) if not, can you find sources that can produce useful information for you?
2) Can you find products/services that you can be comfortable selling?
3) Can you leverage those products/services/etc into more down the line?
-- Is your site one that will be 'sticky' will people be coming back time and again
-- Is your product/service something that they will buy repeatedly, or that can be used to interest the buyer or qualify them to be prospects for related products/services?

Some things that cross my mind are:
a) why are "mainkeyword" com/org/net all available if this is so competitive a market?
b) have you looked at a number of the sites to see how many are actually marketing something? (high number of sites, doesn't always mean a lot of products, information or even demand)
c) the domain name by its self obviously is a plus, but probably won't generate significant traffic from google as a new site, since the domain name is only one part of the SEO battle.

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sbucciarel

Banned 13 years ago

Originally Posted by jideofor

I have found a mainkeyword.com , .net ,. org all available but when I checked the competition level with quotes around it, I got 1,780,000 pages as my result.

Since the .com, .net and .org are all available, I seriously doubt that there is very much competition for this keyword.

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Steven Dybka 13 years ago

Originally Posted by sbucciarel

Since the .com, .net and .org are all available, I seriously doubt that there is very much competition for this keyword.

Exactly,if nobody took those domains by now most likely there is very low search volume for the keyword or there is no money in the keyword

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- jideofor 13 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by Steven Dybka
  
  Exactly,if nobody took those domains by now most likely there is very low search volume for the keyword or there is no money in the keyword
  
  Steve
  
  The exact search, globally , is 1300 and 1000 locally. It is a physical item and it is available at Amazon
  
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  Steven Dybka 13 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by jideofor
  
  The exact search, globally , is 1300 and 1000 locally. It is a physical item and it is available at Amazon
  
  As long as it isn't a trademark keyword then go for it,get a site up and see what happens.
  
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- jacked 13 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by Steven Dybka
  
  Exactly,if nobody took those domains by now most likely there is very low search volume for the keyword or there is no money in the keyword
  
  Steve
  
  Yea, if the EMDs are still open, it is most likely a easy niche.
  
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Dimitris Skiadas

13 years ago

I am not really sure if the results you have form Google for this keyword are right.Just think as simple as possible.If this keyword was a profitable/good/buying keyword, the extensions .com - especially that - .net, .org, would not exist.On the other hand the cost for doing something like this is very little. So, it's up to you really.

I would definitely try to research some more this niche...

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Alexa Smith

Banned 13 years ago

Originally Posted by jideofor

I have found a mainkeyword.com , .net ,. org all available but when I checked the competition level with quotes around it, I got 1,780,000 pages as my result.

The number of "competing sites" (and any other parameter derived from measuring that) has in itself absolutely no relevance to how competitive a niche is for the purpose of deciding whether or not to compete.

Simple question: what would you rather compete with - a keyword which has 10,000,000 sites listed but the front page includes directory articles, nothing above PR-1 and nothing special at all, or a keyword which has 10,000 sites listed of which the first 10 sites (first page SERP's) are all age-old high-PR authority sites with 100,000 backlinks each from other age-old high-PR authority sites?

It's a real no-brainer, isn't it?

Realisitically, you are competing with the top 5 sites in the SERP's in either case.

Who cares whether those 5 are followed by 9,995 others or 9,999,995 others? :confused:

"Competition", like so many other parameters involved in internet marketing, has almost nothing to do with quantity at all: it's all about quality (in this case SEO quality of the first-page SERP's sites).

If the .com, the .net and the .org are all available, how much real competition can there be, and what's the reason for that

In other words, the answer to your question "would you dare?" actually depends on information you haven't yet looked for.

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paulgl

13 years ago

Originally Posted by Alexa Smith

Realisitically, you are competing with the top 5 sites in the SERP's in either case.

Who cares whether those 5 are followed by 9,995 others or 9,999,995 others? :confused:

Puts the "sandbox" in a different perspective, doesn't it?

Paul

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BaltimoreDave 13 years ago

It's funny you mention that. My first domain was highly competitive (almost 2 mil) and I had no idea. I didn't have market samurai and didn't know of other sites that could disclose the seo competition data. I went ahead with the niche because the top Google rankings for keywords within my URL had small amounts of backlinks.

So I Dared.... It's been about a month now and I am getting a decent amount of traffic through search engines. not to mention great conversion. In the mean time, I bought market samurai and found out how crazy it was to get into some of these keywords and I found out how important domain age is. My earnings are small (it's been a month, and I'm a rookie), so this could just be a fluke. Either way, I think it's a legit question. Your main key word could be competing with 2 million crappy sites and you'll do fine. Let me know if anything I said could be further elaborated. I blindly dared, and it's worked out so far...
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AFI

13 years ago

As far as you know, a million of those pages could be just PR0 junk pages that are cluttering up the internet. It doesn't mean that all of those pages are trying aggressively to outrank each other. I NEVER go by that figure, it's just irrelevant.

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Jordan Kovats

13 years ago

Well if your only SEO source is by buying EMD's, then you should evaluate your competition. I have never let a keyword get in the way of what I want to rank. You are only competing against 9 other sites anyways, so the number you think you are competing against, is irrelevant.

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jacked

13 years ago

The number of search results tells you very little about your competition, go investigate your top 10 results

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LiamP

13 years ago

Here are a couple of examples of why the number of search results is usually meaningless when finding a niche.

"Do you think it will be hot this week?"
18 million results for "hot this week"
hotthisweek . net is available
As a brand name for some kind of trends website, maybe some value, but EMD is useless here.

"Do you want to go to the park?"
1.7 million results for "go to the park"
gotothepark . net is available

Countless more examples like this are easy to find. Just because people use a word or phrase in a sentence a lot, doesn't mean the exact match domain is any use.

The commercial intent of a phrase is what matters.

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Domainate

13 years ago

Originally Posted by LiamP

Here are a couple of examples of why the number of search results is usually meaningless when finding a niche.

"Do you think it will be hot this week?"
18 million results for "hot this week"
hotthisweek . net is available
As a brand name for some kind of trends website, maybe some value, but EMD is useless here.

"Do you want to go to the park?"
1.7 million results for "go to the park"
gotothepark . net is available

Countless more examples like this are easy to find. Just because people use a word or phrase in a sentence a lot, doesn't mean the exact match domain is any use.

The commercial intent of a phrase is what matters.

Precisely. It's not as if you can't use # of results at all when looking at a phrase, but there's a lot more to it than simply the # of results. The phrase should be standalone vs. part of a larger phrase/term like in those examples. Also, from a competition standpoint, you should be looking at the rest of the SEO metrics like what's given on Market Samurai as there can be a lot of results but not a lot of them SEO-savvy developers, which would mean it really wouldn't be a lot of SEO competition.

Ultimately, the cost to enter isn't that much, but don't fall into the trap of "not that much" because it can add up if you keep doing it. You don't want to end up with several hundred dollars or more spend on worthless domains when all is said and done, not to mention time wasted in chasing a term that doesn't command the quantity or quality of traffic you need.

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Tom L

13 years ago

I would look at the top 10 in terms of competition, find if I can monetize the site and if the lights are green... give them a run for their money

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AlexSafie

13 years ago

The number of competing pages is not that important.

To see if a keyword has weak or strong competition you must focus on the top 10 result in Google as these are you real competition.

Look for things like:

- If in the top 10 there are root domains or internal pages. (the more internal pages the better)

- Page Rank

- Backlinks

- How well are the top 10 websites optimized for the keyword you want to go after (on page SEO)

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jideofor

13 years ago

Okay, here is the latest result. I used the

allintitle:"keyword" and I got 4,240 result

allinurl:"keyword" and I got 4,340

allinanchor:"keyword" and I got 9,360,000

So, what does all this mean. help me here because I cant explain these data...

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Tom L

13 years ago

I would look at the top 10 one by one... the number of competition is not important.

Check the sites and see how many backlinks they have, their PR, Are they niche or authority, is the domain page ranking or an inner page...

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jideofor

13 years ago

Originally Posted by Tom L

I would look at the top 10 one by one... the number of competition is not important.

Check the sites and see how many backlinks they have, their PR, Are they niche or authority, is the domain page ranking or an inner page...

How do you check page rank,please? I think there is something good about this keyword

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AlexSafie

13 years ago

Install SEOquake on your firefox browser. Just go to SeoQuake - seo toolbar, plugin, seo extension for Mozilla Firefox they give you all the instructions

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AlexSafie

13 years ago

With SEOQuake you can see within the search results the PR, number of backlinks, domain age, etc.

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Zeb

13 years ago

I would say go for it. If it fails, you'll lose a couple of bucks. If it rockets, you'll probably gain more than a couple of bucks.

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jideofor

13 years ago

I got the seo for firefox installed and this is what I found out.

When typed the keyword in to google, the results were delivered and I clicked my way to each and notice that over 3 websites with the mainkeyword as page, either rank zero or n/a... does this mean that I can out rank them if I set up my site using wordpress and having the mainkeyworddomain.com? Having the main keyword in the header and in post of 500+ word article will make me do well?

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AlexSafie

13 years ago

Originally Posted by jideofor

I got the seo for firefox installed and this is what I found out.

When typed the keyword in to google, the results were delivered and I clicked my way to each and notice that over 3 websites with the mainkeyword as page, either rank zero or n/a... does this mean that I can out rank them if I set up my site using wordpress and having the mainkeyworddomain.com? Having the main keyword in the header and in post of 500+ word article will make me do well?

Low PR indicates that you will not be competing against authority websites. Non authority websites are easy to outrank.

The other thing you want to look at is the number of backlinks for each site and how well optimized are the top 10 sites for the keyword you are targeting.

You can PM me if you have any questions.

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Banned 13 years ago

Originally Posted by jideofor

I got the seo for firefox installed and this is what I found out.

When typed the keyword in to google, the results were delivered and I clicked my way to each and notice that over 3 websites with the mainkeyword as page, either rank zero or n/a... does this mean that I can out rank them if I set up my site using wordpress and having the mainkeyworddomain.com? Having the main keyword in the header and in post of 500+ word article will make me do well?

I agree with him. He is is right.

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jideofor

13 years ago

Thank,alex. I will do that.

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AlexSafie

13 years ago

If you want to check if the keyword has commercial intent just do a search in Google with it and see how many ads show up (the more the better)

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jideofor 13 years ago

Originally Posted by AlexSafie

If you want to check if the keyword has commercial intent just do a search in Google with it and see how many ads show up (the more the better)

I used Yahoo and found out that there quite a good number of ads fro this keyword. I bet this is good, isn't it?
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- AlexSafie 13 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by jideofor
  
  I used Yahoo and found out that there quite a good number of ads fro this keyword. I bet this is good, isn't it?
  
  If there are lots of ads there is probably people making money with it.
  
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jideofor

13 years ago

Thank you everybody for your insightful contribution. I wonder what life could have been without a place like warriorforum ... thank you!

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BudgetSEO

13 years ago

I'd take the domain if it has no 'hyphens'.
Pretty easy to rank on page 1 regardless of the competition (Provided you've the right domain name)

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Shiva

13 years ago

The number of pages tell very little about competition, for every Keyword there are million pages in google, you will have to check how the top sites are performing and the traffic for the Keyword!
Also you will have to see if its a niche in which you will make money or not, you should have ideas to make money!
If your answer is yes, then the first thing I will ask you to do is grab that domain, you rarely get domains for your main Keyword. It will work wonderfully well for your SEO!

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