Deindexed and Sandboxed after SEnuke - What to do?

Sounds bad but I would wait a few more days - I have had this happen, a site totally disappearing from the index for a few days, but returning quite quickly. Could just be some strange reindexing effect.

I have had plenty of sites shoved down the rankings like the other sites you mention. I am trying some subtle backlinking on one recently slapped site to try and see if it's even possible to recover such sites. One of them was almost certainly due to thin content, another might have been due to use of an Xfactorish template. But can they rank again, that is the question, especially without any major on-page changes.

Many people will say that even such 'penalties' often turn out to be temporary since otherwise people could use that effect to get their competitors deindexed. Actually, some smart-alec ALWAYS says that, though I have rarely heard of that theory actually being tested, it's more like received wisdom. Though maybe your footprint is just TOO blindingly obvious...

If your site is really sandboxed, then try to build constantly HIGH PR Backlinks.

It can only recommend to get your backlinks indexed by the search engine itself, the whole pinging and fast indexing stuff isn't good at all. Just let G find those links and you'll be out of the sandbox very soon.

This is the first time I have hear a report like this. If true, then that is major.

Direct linking to your money site is always risky.
Buying high PR quality blogposts (link to your money site) and then using tools like Senuke, SB, Xrumer and Senuke to energize those blogpost pages with backlinks work perfectly, because your not directly putting you money site on risk because by this way you pass link juice indirectly to your main money site.

My main site just droped from #13 to #550 on two phrases. Ive been using Sick Submitter, which is a great service but may have overdone it. The domain has not been de indexed so Im hoping its just the G dance.

I've been there move on there is now way you see it back anytime soon. And maybe after a few month it will appear again like it did with me.



Kristof

Keep us posted. I'd just keep building links. Question: how many links for your site according to Majestic SEO?

You wont going to believe how simple it is
Start getting .gov and .edu backlinks

And stop creating direct backlinks from an other domain.

Google cannot penalize you based on amount of links that you build.
Think about it.It does not make any logical sense.It it would be true, you have a "power" to deindex any site on the internet( including your competition) by just running SENUKE campaigns on them.

I suggest not to panic waiting few days or couple of weeks. It will come back.

Sorry to hear about this... really sad to say the least

I bet one of your competitors filed a spam report with Google and there might have been a manual review... but I could be wrong!

Chris,

Sorry to hear that man. If your site is deindexed I don't think there is much that you can do regardless of how "easy" some people think it is.

Was that the only adsense site of yours to get deindexed?

Too many backlinks can draw a red flag for a manual site review, but the links themselves probably arent going to get you deindexed. The reviewer might have seen something wrong with your site...thin content, MFA, who you are linking to, etc.

Give it some time and see what happens. Unless you fix your site and resubmit it for reconsideration to get it back in the GOogle index (slim chance), you really don't have much for options. Move on and learn. That's really all you can do.

Matt

I just got de-indexed and i suppose sandboxed. Chris we are flocking together. Nothing sucks like when your bank account gets shut down without notice. arg!

Did you check out Google Webmasters Tool to see if there's any information there on why your site was deindexed? You can sometimes request reconsideration depending on the issue. Is it possible your site could have gotten some malware installed on it or some spammy links put on it? Some website owners don't even know they've had malicious code inserted into the page until they check Google and find out they're ranking for some pharmaceutical term or something.

As Oranges mentioned earlier, the "safe" way to use SENuke is to build sites like Social Network pages, blogger or wordpress blogs, etc. then nuke those to oblivion.

That said, there's so many guys here that advocate quality over quantity, I would think they must have their reasons...

Doe's anyone remember a term known as the fear factor?

I mentioned on another thread, is it a good idea to use SEX on your quality allready money generating ranking sites?

I've always found that once at the top of G. It doesn't take much to maintain or return your site to it's best ranking position.

BUT Yes I nuked a couple of my better sites, one got (I felt slapped) one has jumped to page one for a rather competitive keyword..

The site that got slapped to oblivion off the first page of google has 3 of the articles that sex created on the first page of G. Then 2 on the second, 4 on the third and so on. They haven,t generated any income but it has only been 3 weeks...

By the way it is never a good idea to compete against your site with the same keywords that you are trying to rank your site for.

Let's see what happens..

Have you logged into Webmaster Tools? When my site was deindexed after being hacked and linking out to 2000 viagara posts from every page....Google sent me an email notification with instructions about how to ask for re inclusion.

60 pages in 9 years seems a little light, no?

dont build backlinks any more for the site.

remove the URL's which you have added to the sites (backlinks), the site will be back in google.

create new pages on your site, keep adding content

Do one thing leave the site for two weeks and apply for reconsideration.before that add some more extra pages too.
Requesting reconsideration of your site - Webmaster Tools Help

Do you use a plugin who automatically convert your incoming keywords into tags? eg. seoboosterpro, or STT2

I took a look. You don't have any obvious technical problems that I could find, robots.txt looks good and such.

Here is the stuff you really want to fix before you resubmit for reconsideration:

1. USING THE BACK BUTTON ON YOUR SITE POPS A BROWSER ERROR DIALOG!!! I tried it on two different browsers. Seems to happen the most on your About page for some reason. This is your #1 problem. I tried to leave your site using my back button got an error dialog popup. You must have an exit capture script that is broken. This is very likely why you were deindexed. Google hates those things even when they do work, but this one looks like you are getting stuck.
2. Lose the duplicate content.
3. Lose the opt-in capture popup. I've heard other people complain that their site dropped in rank after adding one of those.
4. Your disclaimer link in your footer doesn't work. You have some bizarre syntax there.
5. You have some pages that are 100% iframes of other sites. Makes it hard to navigate. Why are you iframing those anyway? You should just be able to link to them directly with your affiliate link. Makes your site look sneaky.
6. You are using the Apple logo for your site thumbnail image. You never know, Apple might have been a copyright claim against your site. Seems unlikely, but take it down anyway.
7. Make sure you aren't doing anything sneaky like serving different content to Googlebot than regular users like me.

Don't forget that Google wants a quality experience for people using the search engine and that site doesn't cut it in the eyes of a Google, no offense. I'd strongly suggest you fix the problems noted above then wait at least a month before you submit a reconsideration request. You may have been deindexed by an algorithm (not a human) and if you can fix it without a human at Google seeing that site, you are far better off.

Why would yo do such craziness?

No site on earth would receive such link velocity within a few days...

The other factor might be what you used for your nuking...eg. garbage articles/duplicate content? This might play a role also.

Look...its so simple:

You receive an incredible number links (and links linking to the links) AND profiles and RSS and whatever you do with Senuke.

In addition, you go full out with this a few days in a row.

GOOGLE sees the amazing surge of backlinks...and a quick automatic analysis shows they are ALL from web2.0, profiles, etc..trash, garbage PR0 or PR1 links.

It doesn't take rocket science to conclude there is something "not normal" going on, NOT if such a crazy backlinking would'nt be (AT LEAST!) be backed by several extreme good, high PR authority backlinks. (Which would explain such a link surge, eg. if you would all of a sudden have a link on wikpedia etc.)

But it is not, its only zillions of web2.0 links.

People...THINK <---

Sorry...being harsh...

Add:

Sandbox/Dance is NORMAL, especially after Xrumer blasts. No ranking change without seeing some drops first...

I did never use any automation tool...in my life cause they are just a waste of your money and time...I am having huge success without using any automation tools...like senuke..so next time do backlinks manually and you will be fine...

Sounds like senuke is very powerful. Can we hire you to run campaigns for my competitors? Because if what you are saying is correct then we can start taking our competitors rankings down.

Your site should appear over a few months, just let it age. Maybe it will only take days/weeks. Just let it sit, don't build backlinks.

bummer man. i'm sorry to hear about your de-indexing. I would, as other people have said, suggest not using automated programs to link directly to your money site. Instead, build a wall of web2.0 properties around the money site and link those directly. and then set up your backlinks to go to your web2.0 wall. good luck!

Why would you run an entire full monty in a day. It's should be spread over a minimum of 7 days.

So are we all in agreement that the reason the op's site was deindexed was because of his autoblogging software and not because he used senuke?

I'm using scrape box right now, and I'm only submitting to 2000 blogs/day/ site. I get about 10 links, and then I wait a few days until I do it again. I feel like this sort of spamming is frowned upon by blog owners and google, so I've decided to use scrape box for finding good, relative, accepting blogs...Then I outsource my blog commenting for $.30 a pop.

That's good. Don't be discouraged. Just move on, work on some other stuff for a while and maybe come back to this site later and work on it again.

Happens quite often no matter what the local service sellers are telling you. I haven't seen anyone debunk what you claim at all. HOWEVER whats often missed is that its never just the backlinking alone. Thats just one possible signal/step that is combined with others. The mistake that people make is they always think in single issues not layers.

So I don't have any doubt that what you are saying happened and happened in part from mass backlinking. Of course no one can say fro sure. Frankly there have been ton loads of people who have had their sites fall for MONTHS and even get deindexed and theres always the similiar crowd claiming mass backlinking had nothing to do with it even when it happened in direct response to that campaign.

Now they ARE right in one respect. It probably would not happen isolated form everything else but when in life is that ever the case? You can have a low quality site and suddenly its ranking. Either the algo has something that tags the site - something onsite or perhaps it gets reviewed. then the backlinks are checked and its clearly what google considers spam. two strikes and now you are out. Might be three or even four. think layers not a single factor. multiple causes of which mass spam links are just one but still part of it.

Now Let me give you one scenario that happens probably every day and anyone that disputes it doesn't have a clue .

Lets say you rank 22 and do a run and lets say you take out the number three guy and drop him to four. his traffic drops and well he's a Google fearing business that plays by all the rules google sets up. Now what does he do? Say well gee whiz golly I guess I'll take the loss or join in with those I considered spammers before?

nah man. Come back to the real world. Just like when you try and build a second story in your one story zoned community most neighbors aren't going to say - Oh well I like the shade and maybe I'll build a second story too.

Nope. they call zoning and get you to take it down. So your competitor drops a line over at Google webspam . they see your site is garbage and the links and don't think twice about deep sixing you. they could care less. the backlinks AND the quality of the site give you away.

There are ton loads of niches where the webmasters are not going to sit idly by. You may for rank awhile and them bam you get slapped.

Don't. Why bother? Go over to some backling forums and you will see many people (granted not all) crying that post Panda II their sites are falling. Go to the "backlinks" serps that Angela used to be number one for and you won't find anyone in the top five that isn't using bought links with PR. Poor xrummer service provider result can't rank more than 8th on a serp that used to be ruled by profile linkers.

At $149 a month within a year you could build your own network, with paid contextual links and Aged domains with PR. from there you can rent out links to others and continue to invest the cash from it to continue to build your network. Want to use Xrummer use it on sites you don't care about ranking and pump them up to feed juice to another site but there are better quicker ways of using that cash over the next 12 months.

and of course you have to fix those on site issues. Its the combination that may well have sunk you .

another perspective to look at.

The only thing I don't understand is why G didn't devalue (or even penalise) forum profile backlinks a LONG time ago. They are such an easy footprint to detect. If you doubt that Google's algo can and does parse forums of all footprints (whether programmed to recognise specific footprints - vBulletin, phpBB etc. or some 'generic' way of telling what's a forum and what's not), then just do a Google search and choose 'Discussions' from the left sidebar as your search filter. Even their dumb algo can obviously very easily tell what a forum looks like!

And it's one of the most obvious backlinking patterns to penalise - why in heaven's name would 50,000 people be registered at different forums, all listing the same site as their homepage?! Unlike many other backlinking methods, there is literally NO possible natural explanation for it - penalising it would not affect ANYONE 'innocent'.

Just my two cents - I say all this from the perspective of someone who has never used automated profile links (must admit to a VERY few judicious manual links here and there), I consider it spam and would rather finally see a level playing field in this area...

Something you might want to look into -- it seems you are promoting a Clickbank weight loss product. I read something here on the Warrior Forum about Google slapping sites that promote "health" products from Clickbank.

I did a quick search and couldn't find any info, but I'm positive that I read that (unless I'm going crazy). ... You might do a more extensive search or start your own thread.

If that's true (that Google is slapping CB health related sites), then you should find that out right away. Otherwise, you're just wasting your time looking at other things.

Here's a thread that says something about Clickbank: http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...happening.html

its only the dance in theory anyone could blast 1000,s of links to any site in their same niche, if it worked everyone would be doing it to their competitors , so dont worry things will settle down

Well; if you site still hasn't been reindexed, here's some tips on using SENuke Smart.

Make it look as if it's a human doing the work, so take advantage of the scheduling..
Don't do 10 runs in one day... Do a run of a Social Networking Module, one day then the next one the next day so on and so forth.
Take advantage of the proxy tool; you should change your proxy after every run of a same module, i.e Social Networks.
So add a Toolbox between each run to change proxy and clearn cache and cookies...
Also make sure you do each run realistically by doing so incrementally. No real person can do so much that fast like SENuke can, so make the sites you submit to believe that it's a human doing it.

If you do it incrementally, and change proxy.. it's virtually impossible for them to tell that you're a spammer.
So think about it, n' use SENuke X wise.. It is an amazing tool.
SENuke is able to do a whole lot if used wisly.


Hope this helps

Totally untrue how senuke will ruin this site, if it's dancing around after a few days, try to build high quality backlinks using high PR pages, otherwise don't even worry about it. If this is the reason why your site is dancing, why won't thousands of other affiliate marketers use this method to derank their competitions.....you can't deindex your site unless you really go overboard and leave a sloppy blueprint, like spamming everywhere but in most cases, if you are just doing minor work google will not deindex your site.

mann goodluck with that. google is terrible at communicating with you so post an update if you somehow manage to get reranked at something decent.

Only advice is to do what you did initially minus the bit that you feel got you sandboxed, Google has always strived to thwart attempts at automation

Hi Chris, what is the update for your website, is your website coming back again in SERP and traffic?

Tks
Arie

I was wondering if the Indexer module on SEnuke leaves a footprint?

It is always a good idea to know exactly what promotion is being done to your site and more importantly where your links are being placed to prevent this kind of thing happening, it wouldn't be out of bounds for unscrupulous IMs who know that this will happen to advertise these types of promotion hoping to monetise on it regardless

Hi Chris,

Here's my Tip (But Take this advice on your own risk)

1. Backup the site
2. Delete Everything
3. Wait 24 Hours
4. Ping Your Site
5. Wait 24 Hours
6. Install Wordpress
7. Add 5 Unique Content
8. Submit High Quality Backlinks or just 2 Simple Social Bookmarks
9. Add Content Daily for 2 Weeks
10. Wait...

Just my 2 cents

- Then let me know what happened. If you got it indexed you owe me a testimonial

It may simply be a case that you are under going a Google Dance, but just in case it's always a good idea to know which sites your links are being promoted on to avoid things like these

It's always a great idea to find out where your links are being promoted when buying or utilising services such as these to prevent this from happening

Like some have mentioned above, it is almost impossible to build to many links. Google doesn't want you to do that, but can't do anything about it. If you could get punished for this, everyone would be spamming his competitors.
Some time ago, Google officially declared buying links as a no-go. Businesses selling links tripled their revenue overnight and they are still making a lot of money.
There must be another reason for your site getting deindexed.

Last year, one of my sites got hacked and I didn't notice. Someone had added pages to my site with viagra, p*nis enlargement, ... ads. I didn't notice till my traffic dropped overnight. Google had deindexed my site because I was violating the adsense TOS.

With that many links in such an insanely short period of time I am not surprised.

It has nothing to do with the promotion software, if you created the same number of backlinks in that short time frame manually you would have gotten the same result.

The higher the number of links created, the longer the time you need to spread the submission over.

With SENukeX you can set up campaigns to run over time. Instead of just blasting the internet with a huge number of backlinks quickly, set your campaign to run over 14 or 30 days.

800 UV a day and only $200 a month? You should first work on getting more people to click!

Google often sandboxes you if you have a huge amount of identical anchor links pointing to the same site.

Try doing more links only this time instead of your anchor text just put your sites URL or the word "Here" and "this site" (linked to your site) once the ratio has been tipped slightly you might just find your back in the running.

Good-luck,

Sam

That certainly hurts, but try not to worry too much. It can take anywhere for 2 weeks to 3 months to get out of the box. Advice is to keep creating backlinks with the program. Be consistent. When your site bounced back, it'll most likely be page 1 position 9 or greater. Just keep doing what you've been doing. If you do full monties, keep doing them one a week for 3 weeks, then switch it up with another diagram for another 3 weeks. BE CONSISTENT and keep bulding a diversity of links. Hope this helps.

Hey Chris,

Sorry to hear about the troubles you've been having lately. I had a site deindexed for about 4 weeks earlier this year. I-framing software I was using was to blame. After removing it and reverting back to my Wordpress blog, I was back in business within days. But after reading this thread I now know it was because real web surfers were seeing something different to what the Google Bot was reading.

That will teach me for trying to be clever :-)

This thread has been of real value, I'm sure a lot of webmasters reading this have learned a thing or 2, I certainly have. I'm just sorry it was to the cost of your site.

I do hope things get back on track soon for you!

Thank you and all the best

Jordy

Never blast too many links directly to your site otherwise your site will be de-indexed or sand-boxed liked this. There is a proper secret way to get benefit of these blasts which you need to learn or have to figure it out yourself.

HI Chris, it sounds like Im in the same position as you. on of my sites fell out of the index about 6 weeks ago and shows no sign of coming back. My issue was that i manually blitzed the site with backlinks but only used my keyword phrase as anchor rather than mixing it up. I'm currently using BMR to create some high PR links and Im using all sorts of related anchors but nothing similar to my keyword phrase. I've heard that this can help brings things back into balance and solve the sandbox isue. Time will tell I guess - I let you know if the site ever resurfaces...

I am experimenting in FF with the reload plug in on a site that I can lose. seeing if the site has a ton of traffic all of a sudden what happens. anyone know about this ? thanks