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Do you segregate your websites to their own ip?

by xento
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Suppose you have a dedicated server with hundreds of domains on the account, and all domains are on the same ip address, then a competitor who knows you are successful gets a hold of just one of your domain names and does a reverse ip look-up on it. He will then see your whole business right there.

So my question is do you protect yourself against this, or is it not a concern for you?
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  • Profile picture of the author TG12
    Originally Posted by xento View Post

    Suppose you have a dedicated server with hundreds of domains on the account, and all domains are on the same ip address, then a competitor who knows you are successful gets a hold of just one of your domain names and does a reverse ip look-up on it. He will then see your whole business right there.

    So my question is do you protect yourself against this, or is it not a concern for you?
    Good Point however what do you mean a reverse lookup? He would just see it as it coming from a hosting company if its a WHOIS lookup. I dont think it would be that simple to find all the domains hosted on that IP address.
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    • Profile picture of the author xento
      Originally Posted by TG12 View Post

      Good Point however what do you mean a reverse lookup? He would just see it as it coming from a hosting company if its a WHOIS lookup. I dont think it would be that simple to find all the domains hosted on that IP address.
      Well, it actually seems pretty simple. I never purchased and seen it in action but you can understand what I'm talking about from this page.
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  • Profile picture of the author ezbiz
    It doesn't matter, there are plenty of tools that will reveal all associated domains and back links for a particular domain. Competitors spy on each other all the time with determination to get their PR or equal to it. Besides that, if you've got that many domains hopefully your smart enough to know you need multiple C-class IPs if you're creating a link wheel. You can't get decent SEO if they all have the same IP and you're backlinking them to gain PR. Google looks at that as backlink spamming.
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    • Profile picture of the author xento
      Originally Posted by ezbiz View Post

      It doesn't matter, there are plenty of tools that will reveal all associated domains and back links for a particular domain. Competitors spy on each other all the time with determination to get their PR or equal to it. Besides that, if you've got that many domains hopefully your smart enough to know you need multiple C-class IPs if you're creating a link wheel. You can't get decent SEO if they all have the same IP and you're backlinking them to gain PR. Google looks at that as backlink spamming.
      I wasn't really considering it for interlinking of all the sites, but more like if you have a hundred micro niche sites. If someone found that out he'd get all your research right there.

      If sites are not linking to each other, whois info is private, and sites are on independent ip addresses, I don't see how a competitor can find out everything that you have online. On the other hand, I guess it is possible to get some sort of crawler to uncover interlinking patterns between some sites, if such a pattern exists.
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      • Profile picture of the author Giftys
        Originally Posted by xento View Post

        I wasn't really considering it for interlinking of all the sites, but more like if you have a hundred micro niche sites. If someone found that out he'd get all your research right there.

        If sites are not linking to each other, whois info is private, and sites are on independent ip addresses, I don't see how a competitor can find out everything that you have online. On the other hand, I guess it is possible to get some sort of crawler to uncover interlinking patterns between some sites, if such a pattern exists.
        I have hundreds of sites and used to be concerned all the time about what my competitors know. I simply don't care anymore. The smart ones and/or the ones that hire 3rd parties will figure it out anyway. It's just too easy these days with all the available tools and services.

        I'd still put a few things in their way like privacy and separate IP's, etc. but your best bet is to spend all your time looking forward and not looking back. If you're focused and proactive, you'll be leading the way. They'll be spending all their time trying to catch you. - Play offense, not defense.
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        • Profile picture of the author GarryO
          I think it is better to keep dedicated IPs for your websites which are more popular and have a good amount of traffic. You can keep the some IPs shared for the other websites which have moderate traffic and aren't too popular.
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        • Profile picture of the author xento
          Originally Posted by Giftys View Post

          I have hundreds of sites and used to be concerned all the time about what my competitors know. I simply don't care anymore. The smart ones and/or the ones that hire 3rd parties will figure it out anyway. It's just too easy these days with all the available tools and services.

          I'd still put a few things in their way like privacy and separate IP's, etc. but your best bet is to spend all your time looking forward and not looking back. If you're focused and proactive, you'll be leading the way. They'll be spending all their time trying to catch you. - Play offense, not defense.
          Originally Posted by GarryO View Post

          I think it is better to keep dedicated IPs for your websites which are more popular and have a good amount of traffic. You can keep the some IPs shared for the other websites which have moderate traffic and aren't too popular.
          Both good tips, thanks for sharing your experiences.
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  • Profile picture of the author slight
    I was actually trying this the other day with my own sites that are hosted at various places.

    I was a little surprised to see that one that is hosted with GoDaddy has 55,000 other domains hosted on the one IP. I guess it's no wonder that site is so slow. BTW all the tools are free and it's about 15s of work.
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  • Profile picture of the author seasoned
    Originally Posted by xento View Post

    Suppose you have a dedicated server with hundreds of domains on the account, and all domains are on the same ip address, then a competitor who knows you are successful gets a hold of just one of your domain names and does a reverse ip look-up on it. He will then see your whole business right there.

    So my question is do you protect yourself against this, or is it not a concern for you?
    Well, if they are under DIFFERENT IPs, on the same system, IANA might do an audit and SHUT THEM ALL DOWN! I guess you wouldn't be very profitable THEN! Basuically, IP addresses are supposed to be used for this like DEDICATED servers, and HTTPS. They never developed a name resolved version of HTTPS.

    They have been rationing IPs for YEARS! THAT is why so many sites exist with less than 4 billion IP addresses for EVERYTHING on the internet. That is ALSO why many IP hosts ask you to rationalize the use. ALSO, whether they ask you to rationalize or not, IANA DOES assign them, and CHARGES for the privilege, so many ISPs charge $1-$5/month for each IP address.

    BTW IPs do NOT apply to websites, unless they are IP resolved! Most are NOT, and each MUST have it's OWN IP address if they are IP resolved! When you speak of all sites having the same IP address, it is IMPOSSIBLE! UNLESS! UNLESS....... They are NAME resolved! So WHAT does the IP address apply to THEN? The SYSTEM! That MIGHT have all your sites, or a portion, and it may have THOUSANDS of websites that have NOTHING to do with you. So what good is it?

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    • Profile picture of the author xento
      Originally Posted by seasoned View Post

      Well, if they are under DIFFERENT IPs, on the same system, IANA might do an audit and SHUT THEM ALL DOWN! I guess you wouldn't be very profitable THEN! Basuically, IP addresses are supposed to be used for this like DEDICATED servers, and HTTPS. They never developed a name resolved version of HTTPS.

      They have been rationing IPs for YEARS! THAT is why so many sites exist with less than 4 billion IP addresses for EVERYTHING on the internet. That is ALSO why many IP hosts ask you to rationalize the use. ALSO, whether they ask you to rationalize or not, IANA DOES assign them, and CHARGES for the privilege, so many ISPs charge $1-$5/month for each IP address.

      BTW IPs do NOT apply to websites, unless they are IP resolved! Most are NOT, and each MUST have it's OWN IP address if they are IP resolved! When you speak of all sites having the same IP address, it is IMPOSSIBLE! UNLESS! UNLESS....... They are NAME resolved! So WHAT does the IP address apply to THEN? The SYSTEM! That MIGHT have all your sites, or a portion, and it may have THOUSANDS of websites that have NOTHING to do with you. So what good is it?

      Steve
      I may not have as much knowledge as you about DNS resolving. All I know is that my current setup includes registering domain at registrar and pointing to my hosting's DNS servers, then they take care of pointing the domain to the correct server which has an ip address. But the server is dedicated and powerful so it could easily hold hundreds of domains right there, and the links to domaintools that i posted really does show all my websites that are on the same server under the shared ip address.
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