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13 years ago

Keep adding content and value to them.

Make it valuable to the potential visitor. Google couldn't find fault with that.

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guitarjosh

13 years ago

Originally Posted by jwsc101

Hi All

I have been learning about all this for nearly a year now and, finally, am getting somewhere. I am creating mini authority sites (if there is such a thing) along the lines of the 100k blueprint and using a theme like theirs.

I am close to reaching my first payout and am getting nervous about google banning me for MFA or something. I have tried hard to stay close to the rules but my sites currently look quite ugly although the content is unique and relevant on each. I have privacy page etc.

I know google doesn't like MFA but would they ban my account if they didn't like my sites? Or would they just penalize the individual site?

Thanks for any views, I'm desperate to keep my account and ramp up my site creation...

Google's 'Webmaster Control' operates quite independently of their AdSense division. If your sites look spammy or what not, it doesn't matter to AdSense, so long as you're meeting all of their TOS. But, if WebMaster Control finds one of your sites and can link them all together (most commonly done through Analytics and WebMaster Tools so don't use those services), they will deindex every site you have.. all at once. This just happened to my neighbor. He went from several thousand a month to less than $100 a month (from Bing and Yahoo traffic only).

My advice is to pick your handful of best sites, turn them into authority sites, change the layout and let the rest go....

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TryBPO

13 years ago

Originally Posted by jwsc101

Hi All

I have been learning about all this for nearly a year now and, finally, am getting somewhere. I am creating mini authority sites (if there is such a thing) along the lines of the 100k blueprint and using a theme like theirs.

I am close to reaching my first payout and am getting nervous about google banning me for MFA or something. I have tried hard to stay close to the rules but my sites currently look quite ugly although the content is unique and relevant on each. I have privacy page etc.

I know google doesn't like MFA but would they ban my account if they didn't like my sites? Or would they just penalize the individual site?

Thanks for any views, I'm desperate to keep my account and ramp up my site creation...

We have 350 plus sites all wit the same theme that are not going to win any design awards. Keep plugging away and stick to the AdSense TOS and you will be ok.

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Carl Brown

13 years ago

I have been developing several xfactor style micro-niche sites I thought could be a problem. I decided it's not. Although they start as one page, that one page is real content--usually 700 to 1,200 words. Google doesn't seem to care about style as much as providing useful content to their customers.

There's nothing wrong with micro-niche sites. The thing you have to ask yourself, if you're in the top spot of their search results (or even on the first page) is, "Is my site worthy of the top spot, or did I get here ONLY through SEO?" If your site is actually worthy of occupying the #1 position in the search results, you'll have no problem with Google.

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Nexus7

13 years ago

Originally Posted by Carl Brown

I have been developing several xfactor style micro-niche sites I thought could be a problem. I decided it's not. Although they start as one page, that one page is real content--usually 700 to 1,200 words. Google doesn't seem to care about style as much as providing useful content to their customers.

Agreed, although some so-called experts claim otherwise. A year later and I'm still doing just fine. The Panda update knocked a few of my sites down in ranking, but they are still indexed.

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Carl Brown

13 years ago

Originally Posted by TryBPO

We have 350 plus sites all wit the same theme that are not going to win any design awards. Keep plugging away and stick to the AdSense TOS and you will be ok.

How long did it take you to get these sites ranked so well?

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TryBPO

13 years ago

Originally Posted by Carl Brown

How long did it take you to get these sites ranked so well?

They are at various stages of development. Around 300 of the sites are up and around 250 are fairly well ranked.

It usually takes 2-3 weeks to get somewhere between position 6-20 and 8-10 weeks to reach the top 5.

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ex9to5guy

13 years ago

Originally Posted by TryBPO

They are at various stages of development. Around 300 of the sites are up and around 250 are fairly well ranked.

It usually takes 2-3 weeks to get somewhere between position 6-20 and 8-10 weeks to reach the top 5.

are you going after big niches or small niches such a "white coffee mugs"?

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TryBPO 13 years ago

Originally Posted by futuremills

are you going after big niches or small niches such a "white coffee mugs"?

Small niches. I like "white coffee mugs". Can we use that?
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Clyde

13 years ago

Originally Posted by TryBPO

They are at various stages of development. Around 300 of the sites are up and around 250 are fairly well ranked.

It usually takes 2-3 weeks to get somewhere between position 6-20 and 8-10 weeks to reach the top 5.

Be careful revealing that info on a public forum, I have 20x more sites than you and have definitely learned my lesson. A simple search revealed 19x more sites of yours sharing the same pub-ID.

There are people out there making much less than you do that will do anything to your sites just to see you tumble and fall. and yes, Google paid me 5-7k/month for 7/8 months before they finally decided to ban one of my accounts.

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TryBPO

13 years ago

Originally Posted by uniches

Be careful revealing that info on a public forum, I have 20x more sites than you and have definitely learned my lesson. A simple search revealed 19x more sites of yours sharing the same pub-ID.

There are people out there making much less than you do that will do anything to your sites just to see you tumble and fall. and yes, Google paid me 5-7k/month for 7/8 months before they finally decided to ban one of my accounts.

Thanks for the warning. We are looking at ways to mitigate risk. It's tough though without breaking AdSense TOS or having multiple individuals or shell companies with EINs.

How did you do it?

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axus_auto

13 years ago

Originally Posted by uniches

Be careful revealing that info on a public forum, I have 20x more sites than you and have definitely learned my lesson. A simple search revealed 19x more sites of yours sharing the same pub-ID.

There are people out there making much less than you do that will do anything to your sites just to see you tumble and fall. and yes, Google paid me 5-7k/month for 7/8 months before they finally decided to ban one of my accounts.

Why would Google ban your account?

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ex9to5guy

13 years ago

Carl,

have you been getting paid? how many sites do you currently have with the xfactor theme? and do you have multiple accounts?

last year it seemed that it was cool to run the clickbump/xfactor style themes but now i have been reading horror stories of ppl being banned or deindexed. this is why i would like to get multiple accounts for my sites incase one goes down im not totally screwed

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Carl Brown

13 years ago

Originally Posted by futuremills

Carl,

have you been getting paid? how many sites do you currently have with the xfactor theme? and do you have multiple accounts?

last year it seemed that it was cool to run the clickbump/xfactor style themes but now i have been reading horror stories of ppl being banned or deindexed. this is why i would like to get multiple accounts for my sites incase one goes down im not totally screwed

So far so good. I see TryBPO is doing the same thing with success. He said all his sites use an identical theme--all 350 sites. His sites are all based on the xfactor/clickbump theme, and he uses wordpress. My sites are static and I use Dreamweaver. I only have a few, but I believe they will be very profitable. Some don't have any adsense on them yet until I star getting some traffic. Like I said, I don't believe the problem some are having is because of the theme, but because of the content. If it's just cheap spun content that's obvious to any visitor, it's a MFA site. If it's a micro-niche site that provides the answers google's searchers are looking for, it's not technically MFA.

Before I put adsense on my sites, I ask myself, if this site is worthy of it's first page spot in a Google search. If I am sure it is, I feel comfortable putting my adsense code on the site.

I've seen some of these sites with 250 words of spun content, and I can understand why Google has a problem with them. Design a site that earns its spot in the search results because of the CONTENT and you should be on safe ground with Google.

I'd like to see any micro-niche sites that got banned or even de-indexed by Google. I bet it'd be pretty easy to see why the site has problems.

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TryBPO 13 years ago

Originally Posted by Carl Brown

I'd like to see any micro-niche sites that got banned or even de-indexed by Google. I bet it'd be pretty easy to see why the site has problems.

Couldn't agree more Carl. We have been doing this 7 months and only one site has failed to get in the Google cache. We have had varying "Google dance" issues, but all sites seem to come back at one point or another.
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guitarjosh

13 years ago

Originally Posted by Carl Brown

I'd like to see any micro-niche sites that got banned or even de-indexed by Google. I bet it'd be pretty easy to see why the site has problems.

You'd think.. but not always the case. Head on over to the AdSense forums right now. There's about 10 people a day crying over being deindexed and I check some of their urls out quite often. For most.. it's easy to see, but there are definitely some that makes you raise an eyebrow and question your own sites.

At the end of the day, the manual reviews happen by people who only had to take a series of cert tests (so it's been said on here) and they just sit at home and play God on the internet.. faithfully proclaiming to be cleaning the internet up for the cause of the big G. If your site(s) gets a manual review by Roger, who's wife just left him for for his yard boy, then there's a good chance you don't survive that day.

All kidding aside, deindexing is happening to hundreds (thousands) of sites a day right now and the smart money is to stay as transparent as possible with MFA sites (of which I have many).

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Chris Sweeney

13 years ago

Originally Posted by TryBPO

They are at various stages of development. Around 300 of the sites are up and around 250 are fairly well ranked.

It usually takes 2-3 weeks to get somewhere between position 6-20 and 8-10 weeks to reach the top 5.

How do you go about doing that? i.e. are you willing to share your blueprint? I have about 75 sites and maybe half are in the top 10 somewhere, and about 7 sites are in the #1 position for their keywords. So I'm just curious what your strategy is, i.e. keyword selection criteria, link building methods, etc. I'll show you mine if you show me yours

. Perhaps the rest of the thread could benefit from it too.

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TryBPO

13 years ago

Originally Posted by Chris Sweeney

How do you go about doing that? i.e. are you willing to share your blueprint? I have about 75 sites and maybe half are in the top 10 somewhere, and about 7 sites are in the #1 position for their keywords. So I'm just curious what your strategy is, i.e. keyword selection criteria, link building methods, etc. I'll show you mine if you show me yours

. Perhaps the rest of the thread could benefit from it too.

Go over to AdSense Flippers, our site. We are giving away most of the process for free. We can talk specifics by email, just use the contact form.

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Chris Sweeney 13 years ago

Originally Posted by TryBPO

Go over to AdSense Flippers, our site. We are giving away most of the process for free. We can talk specifics by email, just use the contact form.

Nice, I'll be sure to check it out - thanks!
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TryBPO

13 years ago

Originally Posted by guitarjosh

You'd think.. but not always the case. Head on over to the AdSense forums right now. There's about 10 people a day crying over being deindexed and I check some of their urls out quite often. For most.. it's easy to see, but there are definitely some that makes you raise an eyebrow and question your own sites.

At the end of the day, the manual reviews happen by people who only had to take a series of cert tests (so it's been said on here) and they just sit at home and play God on the internet.. faithfully proclaiming to be cleaning the internet up for the cause of the big G. If your site(s) gets a manual review by Roger, who's wife just left him for for his yard boy, then there's a good chance you don't survive that day.

All kidding aside, deindexing is happening to hundreds (thousands) of sites a day right now and the smart money is to stay as transparent as possible with MFA sites (of which I have many).

I have personally met, spoken to, and met a representative of the AdSense team. She assures me that a written warning is always provided prior to the suspension of an AdSense account.

However, she could not talk about the search team and their specific rules. Her written answer read:

I would honestly recommend that you avoid having your confidential account
information and business strategy made public. Every site, market and
publisher is different, and it might be misleading for someone to try to
implement someone else's formula expecting the same results.

Regarding all the other questions, because Google believes in keeping the
search results unbiased by relationships with advertiser and publishers,
your participation in the AdSense program has no effect on your rankings
within Google.com search results and I unfortunately have no insight into
fluctuations with your PageRank.

However, I encourage you to visit the Webmaster Help Center if you haven't
done so already (Webmaster Tools Help) or post a
question to the Webmaster community for more advice
(Webmaster Central Help).

If you ever receive a search penalty from Google for any reason, you can
request a reconsideration of your site. Tips on how to do this
successfully can be found in this blogpost here:

Official Google Webmaster Central Blog: Tips on requesting reconsideration

This does not bode well for a collection of MFA networks, so I tend to agree you need a very small footprint to ensure the highest safety from the search team. However how do you balance that with the reality of cost, time, and labor?

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Nexus7

13 years ago

Originally Posted by TryBPO

I have personally met, spoken to, and met a representative of the AdSense team. She assures me that a written warning is always provided prior to the suspension of an AdSense account.

Tell that to the people who have gotten the canned "risk to advertisers" response. They get no chance fix the problem because their Adsense account has already been closed. And from what I gather, sending them an appeal hardly ever works unless you threaten a lawsuit and it goes to court. For most people that's not feasible.

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ex9to5guy

13 years ago

good work carl, i am too am writing unique good content for my sites. I believe that crappy content is probably most peoples downfall that use MFA. modifying the MFA theme is probably the best bet as well as having good content. I still want to get multiple accounts that way all is not lost incase ne thing was to happen my account

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TryBPO

13 years ago

Well, an AdSense account ban would be MUCH preferred to getting deindexed, by far. AdSense is just one of many monetization methods...but a huge percentage of our traffic comes from Google.

I've read through many of the "AdSense ban" posts on this forum and on the AdSense forum. A huge majority of those are from people using sketchy tactics and/or were making $8 per month.

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Nexus7

13 years ago

Originally Posted by TryBPO

I've read through many of the "AdSense ban" posts on this forum and on the AdSense forum. A huge majority of those are from people using sketchy tactics and/or were making $8 per month.

Plus they didn't read the Adsense TOS or just didn't care, thinking they could trick Google.

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TryBPO

13 years ago

Yes...

I had a guy PM me today, asking why his AdSense account might have been banned. I asked him if he'd had a previous AdSense account, and he told me that he paid someone on WF to set him up with an AdSense account and it became banned...he then tried again elsewhere and was banned again.

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ex9to5guy

13 years ago

Originally Posted by TryBPO

I have personally met, spoken to, and met a representative of the AdSense team. She assures me that a written warning is always provided prior to the suspension of an AdSense account.

However, she could not talk about the search team and their specific rules. Her written answer read:

This does not bode well for a collection of MFA networks, so I tend to agree you need a very small footprint to ensure the highest safety from the search team. However how do you balance that with the reality of cost, time, and labor?

what do you do to prevent this? Do you have sites spread out on multiple accounts? If so how many?

Originally Posted by Nexus7

Tell that to the people who have gotten the canned "risk to advertisers" response. They get no chance fix the problem because their Adsense account has already been closed. And from what I gather, sending them an appeal hardly ever works unless you threaten a lawsuit and it goes to court. For most people that's not feasible.

will this happen if you have unique good content? and lots of content? I can see this happening if you have just a one page site

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Nexus7

13 years ago

Originally Posted by futuremills

will this happen if you have unique good content? and lots of content? I can see this happening if you have just a one page site

People have gotten their accounts closed with sites that have a ton of unique content on them, so a one page site isn't necessarily a bad thing if it is helping the user.

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Chris Sweeney

13 years ago

Originally Posted by macdonjo

Don't worry about it dude.

Think about it, how stupid how would they be to ban people who are helping publish more ads, thus bringing in more money for them in Adwords.

I can understand where you're coming from, however I also see this side of the story - Say I was a home repairman and had a several home repairmen under me doing work for me. I go out everyday to do some home repairs, and they go out everyday as well to other houses to fix stuff. If I find out that one of those guys is doing lousy work and getting my company bad reviews, I'm going to fire him. Even if he is bringing me in a little extra money, I'm not going to risk the legitimacy and solid name of my business for a few extra dollars.

Originally Posted by kmachine

I had 200 MFA "mini authority sites", in multiple hosting accounts, with different pub ID, different designs, blogs and html, unique and relevant content, and believe me sooner or later they will ban you.

That might be because you were using different AdSense accounts?

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Josh MacDonald

13 years ago

Don't worry about it dude.

Think about it, how stupid how would they be to ban people who are helping publish more ads, thus bringing in more money for them in Adwords.

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kmachine

13 years ago

I had 200 MFA "mini authority sites", in multiple hosting accounts, with different pub ID, different designs, blogs and html, unique and relevant content, and believe me sooner or later they will ban you.

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Nexus7

13 years ago

Originally Posted by kmachine

I had 200 MFA "mini authority sites", in multiple hosting accounts, with different pub ID, different designs, blogs and html, unique and relevant content, and believe me sooner or later they will ban you.

This has been said before, but no one has been able to explain why they are banning accounts with nothing but MFA sites. Some have said when you reach $100 a day your account gets reviewed. I guess when they see 200 one to five page sites they are going to question your motives. If they were actual authority sites they would give you a pass because there is more value for the user.

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NetWorth

13 years ago

If you have sites that are making money there is no reason you should spend some of that money to "Flesh out" the site. Add some more good content and pretty it up a bit. That way you don't need to worry.

Good luck

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seoindiaforu

13 years ago

Remember Google would dare not touch a valuable and content rich site.Make loyal followers for your site and Google would start loving you.

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TryBPO

13 years ago

Totally agree with your post above, Chris.

Google's thinking long-term...if you're putting them at risk it would make more sense to squash you like a bug then keep the piddly amount of money you're making them, looking at the big picture.

AdSense Team - Keep their advertisers happy
Search Team - Keep the users happy

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