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Hello,

I'm reading a book right now called Outsmarting Google. It's about SEO. One of the first things the author does (and he claims to be a super-bad SEOer) is debunk the idea that PR is all that important. He says that Google is catching on and re-arranging their way of ranking sites (again). He proposes another standard what he calls TrustRank and says that Googles evaluates each site to give it a TR. He's saying that any site that sells links may have a high PR, but a low TR. I'm new to all this so I don't know.

But what thing he says is that, in the first month a website has no access to rankings. And slowly over time, Google drips out the actual ranking of the site. So after 6 months, the site would have access to 50% of its rankings and not the entirety of it for up to 4 years. Does anyone know anything about this? Is it possible to rank on the first page of Google in the first few months? (aside from the most random of keywords.)

The book is published in 2011 so me thinks its fairly recent, but what I have learned is that a lot of people claim to know what's going on, but they often conflict.

Cheers

DZ
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  • Profile picture of the author Jeff Hampton
    TrustRank was originally made public in 2004 in a paper called "Combating Web Spam with TrustRank"

    http://www.vldb.org/conf/2004/RS15P3.PDF

    Here's the abstract:

    Web spam pages use various techniques to achieve higher-than-deserved rankings in a search engine's results. While human experts can identify spam, it is too expensive to manually evaluate a large number of pages. Instead, we propose techniques to semi-automatically separate reputable, good pages from spam. We first select a small set of seed pages to be evaluated by an expert. Once we manually identify the reputable seed pages, we use the link structure of the web to discover other pages that are likely to be good. In this paper we discuss possible ways to implement the seed selection and the discovery of good pages. We present results of experiments run on the World Wide Web indexed by AltaVista and evaluate the performance of our techniques. Our results show that we can effectively filter out spam from a significant fraction of the web, based on a good seed set of less than 200 sites.
    And certainly scoring trust has evolved since then and probably includes many more factors now.

    But as for the numbers he's citing, some are clearly not true. You can certainly rank within 30 days for some keywords. And if you have Market Samurai, check out the competition data. There are often sites ranked in the top 10 that are less than a year old, even for competitive keywords.
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    • Profile picture of the author Agent 23
      Thanks Jeff.

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  • Profile picture of the author EthanCrawford
    Yeah, to reiterate, trust is an important measurement, and PR is being valued less and less (in my experience). However, the numbers that he cites for "access" to rankings sounds like a massive load of BS.

    Generally speaking, the opposite occurs. New sites are given a handicap and have an easier time ranking. I tested this recently with a little side project, Netflixalternative.net a month ago, and within 12 hours it was #1 on Google for several keywords. Then it fell to the bottom of the first page about 5-7 days later for all of the same keywords (no additional linkbuilding was done at this point).
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  • Profile picture of the author markowe
    Well, it might be true that ranking has a time factor involved. A lot of people think backlink age is an SEO indicator. That doesn't mean you can't rank within a shortish space of time, just that you threw more SEO at it than necessary! And your ranking (by whatever criterium) continues to mature in the subsequent period. One way to look at it, at any rate.
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