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Which of these software combinations looks best to you?

by junilerick
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So I've made a little over a hundred during the past month and I've decided to reinvest it into software, the problem is there is simply so many choices that analysis paralysis is an understatement

I think some of the bases I would like to cover include article links, social bookmarking, and RSS feeds. Do you guys think web 2.0s and profile links are important, as well? I'm trying to avoid web 2.0 capabilities as that would mean I'd have to get Magic Submitter or SEOLR, which by themselves aren't that expensive, but when you include proxies and decaptcha credits, can sort of pile up.

Right now I'm thinking along the lines of either:

1) AMR + spinner + RSS Bot + Social Monkee + outsource everything else

This way I can essentially bypass proxies altogether

2) AMR + spinner + Sick Submitter

I'd have to get proxies but at least SS is pretty cheap, although I've heard you need to buy templates to really make the most out of it, so not quite sure how the cost will pile up with that. Plus I haven't really heard much of the results people are getting from SS.

3) AMR + spinner + Magic Submitter

I suppose this would allow me the most control over every aspect of my link building but also require the most time setting up not to mention the costs of proxies and decaptcha services. And from what I've heard although MS is pretty decent, doesn't really match up to SENuke, but which let's admit, $149 for the software alone is pretty steep.


I think I'll also get Backlink Energizer as getting links indexing seems to be a pretty common problem for me, especially when it comes to links from AMR (still don't see any indexed links from the submissions I've made during the trial run)

Anyway, what do you guys think of the combinations above? Or perhaps there's some other cost-effective combo you'd like to share?

Thanks for reading!
#combinations #software
  • Profile picture of the author Madeira
    Actually, AMR includes a powerful spinner so, if you buy AMR, I would try out their spinner before making a purchase for another spinner.

    The AMR is not the easiest to use, but it is very powerful once you get use to it.
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  • Profile picture of the author sporkmarketing
    So not to take the air out of your ballon, but all of those programs look like crap.

    AMR - article marketing is deader than ever thanks to the Panda update
    Spinner - Google is on to this little trick...it's not a tough algorithm to beat
    RSS bot - Looks like total and complete junk. Pinging RSS feeds is automated with a few services (pingomatic, icerocket), and it doesn't matter anyways. Everyone is doing it so no one gets the benefits.
    Social Monkee - Social bookmarks are only useful in bulk, and only if each bookmark comes from a trusted account. No chance this will work long-term. Once Google/Bing find one or two bogus profiles, they'll be able to connect them all and the whole house of cards will fall down (assuming it hasn't already).
    Sick submitter/magic submitter - Same as above.

    I think it's disappointing that so many people push this "SEO software" as real. Do yourself a favor and read SEOMoz's "SEO for beginners" article series - you'll see that all of these programs are a waste (especially if you take a long-term view).

    Then pay yourself the $100. :-)
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    • Profile picture of the author junilerick
      Originally Posted by sporkmarketing View Post

      I think it's disappointing that so many people push this "SEO software" as real. Do yourself a favor and read SEOMoz's "SEO for beginners" article series - you'll see that all of these programs are a waste (especially if you take a long-term view).
      So the people who actively use these types of software and have successfully ranked sites are....all frauds, delusional, or both?

      Yes, perhaps many out there are more in a gray area but to say they are all crap just doesn't make sense. Article marketing using syndicate content, for example, is a valid method of building both backlinks and traffic to one's site. But you're saying that a tool capable of speeding up the process of submitting them is junk? Perhaps your time just isn't valuable, in which case I apologize.

      May I ask how your build backlinks and traffic to your site and your current level of success?
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      • Profile picture of the author packerfan
        IMO the most powerful tool you can buy is scrapebox, and you get it for like $57. Must have.

        AMR is a great tool. I use it daily and regardless of all the noise you hear it gets results.
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      • Profile picture of the author sporkmarketing
        Originally Posted by junilerick View Post

        So the people who actively use these types of software and have successfully ranked sites are....all frauds, delusional, or both?

        Yes, perhaps many out there are more in a gray area but to say they are all crap just doesn't make sense. Article marketing using syndicate content, for example, is a valid method of building both backlinks and traffic to one's site. But you're saying that a tool capable of speeding up the process of submitting them is junk? Perhaps your time just isn't valuable, in which case I apologize.

        May I ask how your build backlinks and traffic to your site and your current level of success?
        I use really simple link building tactics:

        - guest blog posting on quality blogs
        - building relationships with website owners/marketers/bloggers to make sure I get links when I create good content
        - creating useful tools and data that people appreciate and link to
        - traditional PR tactics such as press releases, article placement with traditional media that has an online presence, media outreach, etc.
        - promoting content on social media to encourage people to like it, bookmark it, share it, etc.

        I've worked with dozens of clients on SEO projects, and I have my own websites too (you can check out SporkMarketing.com and TundraHeadquarters.com for a couple of samples, and our portfolio is on Spork).

        Once upon a time, long before Google became adept at sniffing out spun articles and a year and a half before panda, I did use article marketing and an article spinner. But it stopped showing any appreciable benefits in mid-2008 (I know because I test these things). I've also tested social bookmarking tools, RSS tools, etc., and I find them of little or no benefit.

        As you said, my time isn't free, so I stopped messing with them.

        Now if you're saying that article marketing, spinners, etc. can help you get on Google's third page for a long-tail phrase like "outdoor string lights," then you've got a point. However, if you want to rank on the first page for something competitive like "Toyota Tundra" or "Tundra accessories," you need to ignore these tools and do SEO for real.

        If you doubt my qualifications, or think I'm just an SEO fuddy-duddy, so be it. My work speaks for itself. I only point out the limitations of these software packages because they're not worth the price being asked - at least not in my opinion as a guy that gets paid to do this for a living.
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  • Profile picture of the author junilerick
    I know that I came off a bit strong there, but may I suggest softening up your tone a little - There are less confrontational ways of offering your opinion. If not, your point of view may be hard to swallow even if you are, in fact, correct.

    Your website and portfolio are rather impressive I must admit. Yet I think you need to understand the difference in terms of resources between you and I (I'm sure you're also more adept at SEO in most every respect, especially in terms of high-level strategies) I'm sure for the manual type of link building you do, you probably have an entire team of people that are specialized in different aspects. As a student, I do not have that luxury. Not to say I would know what to do if I did, just simply saying that I need to find other ways to achieve the most leverage possible. Software gives ordinary people starting out who don't the experience or a team of specialists that leverage.

    Sure I would like to build websites for the long term and I realize that most of the web and link building practices probably won't last forever, but being a student with no income I'd be satisfied setting my goals a little lower. If I'm able to make some income while going to school then hey I'll take it.

    The "outdoor string lights" website you mentioned actually has essentially no link building done to it other than these manual signature links and a few manual blog comments, so it's probably irrelevant to this thread.

    Anyhow, I would like to ask then, how would you recommend someone like me go about link building with no specialty in terms of writing or programming and on a tight budget?
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    • Profile picture of the author sporkmarketing
      Originally Posted by junilerick View Post

      I know that I came off a bit strong there, but may I suggest softening up your tone a little - There are less confrontational ways of offering your opinion. If not, your point of view may be hard to swallow even if you are, in fact, correct.
      Good call - my apologies.

      Originally Posted by junilerick View Post

      ...I think you need to understand the difference in terms of resources between you and I (I'm sure you're also more adept at SEO in most every respect, especially in terms of high-level strategies) I'm sure for the manual type of link building you do, you probably have an entire team of people that are specialized in different aspects. As a student, I do not have that luxury...Software gives ordinary people starting out who don't the experience or a team of specialists that leverage.
      So you may not believe this, but most of what I did for the first 2+ years I did myself. Sure, I had people write articles for me (easy to hire out) and I work with designers and developers for all the programming/dev work, but the SEO stuff - the stuff I listed off - I did myself with just a laptop and a phone (and I still do quite a bit).

      I think that it's a common misconception that one person can't do high-level SEO. All you need to do is read the authoritative stuff out there - Search Engine Journal is a great place to get a lot of info on different topics, and SEOMoz has some good free resources that could be really, really helpful for a beginner.

      Originally Posted by junilerick View Post

      Anyhow, I would like to ask then, how would you recommend someone like me go about link building with no specialty in terms of writing or programming and on a tight budget?
      If I were a student in your shoes, I think I would:

      - Find a niche or topic area that I was passionate about
      - Focus on being as useful and helpful as possible to my visitors
      - Build relationships with people who own sites in the same niche
      - Do the best I could to develop a tool or service that helped people in my niche

      As far as skills, I think you need to have some programming ability, but not much. I know enough PHP to be dangerous, and I learned it all online. I can edit a php script, but I don't have the talent to write one on my own.

      The one talent I do have - and that has served me well - is being able to write quality articles. If you can write something good, you can get it placed on a great website, and you can get a great link. PLUS, you establish a relationship with someone on the basis of respect for your skills.

      I don't mean to gloss over the fact that it's hard to get started, but I promise that a good, solid, one-great-link-at-a-time SEO strategy will be effective if you combine it with a holistically good website.
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      • Profile picture of the author junilerick
        Originally Posted by sporkmarketing View Post

        Good call - my apologies.



        So you may not believe this, but most of what I did for the first 2+ years I did myself. Sure, I had people write articles for me (easy to hire out) and I work with designers and developers for all the programming/dev work, but the SEO stuff - the stuff I listed off - I did myself with just a laptop and a phone (and I still do quite a bit).

        I think that it's a common misconception that one person can't do high-level SEO. All you need to do is read the authoritative stuff out there - Search Engine Journal is a great place to get a lot of info on different topics, and SEOMoz has some good free resources that could be really, really helpful for a beginner.



        If I were a student in your shoes, I think I would:

        - Find a niche or topic area that I was passionate about
        - Focus on being as useful and helpful as possible to my visitors
        - Build relationships with people who own sites in the same niche
        - Do the best I could to develop a tool or service that helped people in my niche

        As far as skills, I think you need to have some programming ability, but not much. I know enough PHP to be dangerous, and I learned it all online. I can edit a php script, but I don't have the talent to write one on my own.

        The one talent I do have - and that has served me well - is being able to write quality articles. If you can write something good, you can get it placed on a great website, and you can get a great link. PLUS, you establish a relationship with someone on the basis of respect for your skills.

        I don't mean to gloss over the fact that it's hard to get started, but I promise that a good, solid, one-great-link-at-a-time SEO strategy will be effective if you combine it with a holistically good website.
        Thanks for the suggestions! Producing unique quality content is definitely the best SEO strategy in the long term.

        Growth is always good and I suppose improving writing abilities is probably one of the most vital skills I can learn as an individual. And yeah, I probably should be learning at least some programming skills if I want to be doing SEO for the long term.
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  • Profile picture of the author vivaarturo
    best over all tool is senuke - becareful how you use this tool, do not over do it.
    i tend to use this tool for my outer layer site rather than direct onto my site
    but if you want an article directory try AMA

    cheers
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    • Profile picture of the author junilerick
      Originally Posted by vivaarturo View Post

      best over all tool is senuke - becareful how you use this tool, do not over do it.
      i tend to use this tool for my outer layer site rather than direct onto my site
      but if you want an article directory try AMA

      cheers
      Arturo
      That seems to be the general consensus and I would like to get it, but.. $147/month not to mention the proxies and decaptha credits really add up. Not sure if I'm at the point where I'd want to invest in something quite so pricey just yet.

      Thank for all the input, keep it coming!
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  • Profile picture of the author noble
    I would go for #2 but forget spinner you'll just be spending extra bucks you don't need. AMR will spin for you just fine. I am a big fan of Sick Submitter because its priced really well for what it does which is why I chose #2.
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    • Profile picture of the author junilerick
      Originally Posted by noble View Post

      I would go for #2 but forget spinner you'll just be spending extra bucks you don't need. AMR will spin for you just fine. I am a big fan of Sick Submitter because its priced really well for what it does which is why I chose #2.
      From my memory of the spinner in AMR, I believe it can't compare to dedicated spinner software at any level. Sure it can be used to save a few dollars, but I think the time saved using TBS and so on would be more cost effective after a few submission runs.
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      • Profile picture of the author noble
        Originally Posted by junilerick View Post

        From my memory of the spinner in AMR, I believe it can't compare to dedicated spinner software at any level. Sure it can be used to save a few dollars, but I think the time saved using TBS and so on would be more cost effective after a few submission runs.
        That is 100% true if you want to set and forget with built in thesaurus. Personally I like to take the extra 5 minutes to write my own spintax so I can get 80%+ unique content and still have it 100% readable.
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  • Profile picture of the author JSProjects
    Scrapebox needs to be in that list somewhere. I'm surprised it's not. It's $57 @ cheapskate - ScrapeBox

    Scrapebox is the swiss army knife for every serious SEO'er.
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    • Profile picture of the author junilerick
      Originally Posted by JSProjects View Post

      Scrapebox needs to be in that list somewhere. I'm surprised it's not. It's $57 @ cheapskate - ScrapeBox

      Scrapebox is the swiss army knife for every serious SEO'er.
      Have it already actually, but thanks for the input. I think I was able to get it for $37 but I'm not sure if they still offer it at that price.

      I think I'll go with AMR + MS + proxy scraper, which should be a pretty effective way of keeping the costs low.
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