Is something up with Google Panda lately?

by vij
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5 of my websites returned from the abyss in the last 12 hours. 4 of them back on the first page and 1 on the 5th page. All back from >500. But a good earning site disappeared at the same time. I also see some of my competitors are back. All sites in the health niche.

Wanted to know if anyone else is seeing similar shuffle.

EDIT - (UPDATE 10th June)
There has been a reset as on 10th June night. Some people have noticed the reset earlier, but its been almost totally reset on 10th June. all resurrected sites gone. Wonder whats up.

EDIT - (UPDATE 13th June)
Rollback just after 13th midnight. Exactly a week after the first rollback. Many are back, some down.

EDIT - (UPDATE 16th June)
RESET again just after 16th midnight.

EDIT - (UPDATE 17th June)
I think google is overlapping the results and are close to geting things right. Many of my sites back. The question remains will this last.


Notice the pattern.
#google #panda
  • Profile picture of the author Cool Hand Luke
    I noticed a shuffle today, seems pretty par for the course; Google sure loves to dance sometimes...
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  • Profile picture of the author RemingtonSteele
    I'm glad you posted this, as it made me go check the ranking of one site I have that was #3 in Google for almost a year before it dropped to page 3 when Panda hit. I was about ready to abandon it, but now it's back to #3.
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  • Profile picture of the author figure8Atej
    Thanks. I have to go check my web site that was throw into the abyss
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  • Profile picture of the author area51backlinks
    All my sites went up as a result of Panda. I'm no Google engineer but I'm pretty sure this was because:

    1) My sites all have 100% unique, relevant content that people enjoy and actually read
    2) I have quality backlinks from relevant pages with a high PR
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    • Profile picture of the author gearmonkey
      Originally Posted by area51backlinks View Post

      All my sites went up as a result of Panda. I'm no Google engineer but I'm pretty sure this was because:

      1) My sites all have 100% unique, relevant content that people enjoy and actually read
      2) I have quality backlinks from relevant pages with a high PR
      My 4 year old site went down and I have high quality backlinks and high quality content. My content gets plastered all over twitter, facebook, forums, eHow, Wikipedia, yahoo answers, blogs... and even on big magazine companies websites use it.... yet Google pushed my blog down during panda. I checked my stats for last night and I lost another 15% traffic.

      Google hates good content and relevant backlinks.

      On a side not, my scraper blog with no backlinks are still going strong...
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      • Profile picture of the author rinor81
        OK, same here!

        I thought it's because of BMR that I've been using but I guess it's Google...

        I have 2 sites that disappeared for more than 4-6 months now back on page 1

        of Google....so, any ideas? Is it temporary? Google dance? Google tries

        something new?
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    • Originally Posted by area51backlinks View Post

      All my sites went up as a result of Panda. I'm no Google engineer but I'm pretty sure this was because:

      1) My sites all have 100% unique, relevant content that people enjoy and actually read
      2) I have quality backlinks from relevant pages with a high PR
      yes google panda do love quality and unique contents. and your quality backlinks add extra benefit in your site.
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      • Profile picture of the author MonopolyMan
        Originally Posted by businesswarrior121 View Post

        yes google panda do love quality and unique contents. and your quality backlinks add extra benefit in your site.
        My unique content sites are nowhere to be seen. They went from top rankings to page 100+ or no ranking at all.

        My sites with scraped content? All three of them improved, one even took #1.

        In all honesty I think Googles just throwing darts at a dart board in lieu of an algorithm.
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  • Profile picture of the author BIG Mike
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    Odds are Google was testing something and then did a rollback afterwards. This happens a lot (the dance), which is why I always recommend not panicking when you first discover it. Give it a few days to a week before you start changing everything and end up doing even more damage.
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  • Profile picture of the author JustinDupre
    I've been bouncing back and forth on a bunch of my sites this past week. Ranking for stuff I'm not even trying for. Odd week with Google.
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    • Profile picture of the author derekpierce
      Same story here.

      Google knocked some of my sites completely out of the serps, then they popped back up in a matter of a few hours.

      The Google Dance is nothing uncommon but this week it seems to be a lot more active.

      derek pierce
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    • Profile picture of the author willianbush2015
      earlier my website ranked on 3 position but google panda algorithm hit with my website ranking and now it ranking in 3rd page and it's so sad for me. what should i do?
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  • Profile picture of the author CPA Andrew
    They are doing some ranking changes. Some sites could have been affected. Search it on google. Should have the info you need.
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    • Profile picture of the author Hamida Harland
      The majority of my sites rose in the SERPS after Panda, however those that disappeared from page 1 (a few sites with only about 5 pages ) came back in the last 24 hours.

      Unfortunately I sold one of those just a few weeks ago thinking it'd be too much work to get it back up . I hope the rest are here to stay though!
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      • Profile picture of the author blueorca17
        Originally Posted by Hamida Harland View Post

        The majority of my sites rose in the SERPS after Panda, however those that disappeared from page 1 (a few sites with only about 5 pages ) came back in the last 24 hours.

        Unfortunately I sold one of those just a few weeks ago thinking it'd be too much work to get it back up . I hope the rest are here to stay though!
        I think that Google's response times are getting faster and faster and the data centers keep changing. I don't think it's a roll back at all. Just different data centers. I check certain rankings every 30 mins or so to test my theory and one minute it will show 194 pages indexed or something, and then 30 mins later there are 830 pages indexed on a site. Yesterday it was like 300. Weird, but cool at the same time, cause that means that rankings can also update faster.
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  • Profile picture of the author MonopolyMan
    A had about a dozen sites return to the first page last night some higher than they've been before and, in some cases, #1. I did lose one of my main #1 spot sites which is away of the SERPS completely but I'm not worried yet.
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  • Profile picture of the author cashcow
    I also saw a big recovery on most of my sites that took a hit. The ones that didn't take a hit are still holding steady too so I'm liking it! Hope it lasts!
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  • Profile picture of the author Winlin
    I just picked up on this also and am already enjoying renewed activity on the sites that were missing in action.
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  • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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    Good news. Now the Panda Panic can stop. lol.
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    • Profile picture of the author Fernando Veloso
      Originally Posted by sbucciarel View Post

      Good news. Now the Panda Panic can stop. lol.
      Suzanne... this is just the beginning... Google is playing tricks more often.

      I bet there will be a new upside down till the end of the week. We had it last night in Portugal... and if it goes as usual, Portugal gets it first, then it goes worldwide.

      We'll see.

      P.S. I'm not saying I KNOW what will happen, but based on previous changes, I know Portugal got them BEFORE you guys in USA/UK... Thats all.
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      • Profile picture of the author vij
        Originally Posted by Fernando Veloso View Post

        Suzanne... this is just the beginning... Google is playing tricks more often.

        I bet there will be a new upside down till the end of the week. We had it last night in Portugal... and if it goes as usual, Portugal gets it first, then it goes worldwide.

        We'll see.

        P.S. I'm not saying I KNOW what will happen, but based on previous changes, I know Portugal got them BEFORE you guys in USA/UK... Thats all.
        Are you seeing something else already?
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        • Profile picture of the author Fernando Veloso
          Originally Posted by vij View Post

          Are you seeing something else already?
          Yesterday/last night there was a BIG rearrangement of rankings in here... in fact, sites are bouncing back and forth for days now.

          But there was definitely a BIG jump last night.
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      • Profile picture of the author prniches
        Originally Posted by Fernando Veloso View Post

        Suzanne... this is just the beginning... Google is playing tricks more often.

        I bet there will be a new upside down till the end of the week. We had it last night in Portugal... and if it goes as usual, Portugal gets it first, then it goes worldwide.

        We'll see.

        P.S. I'm not saying I KNOW what will happen, but based on previous changes, I know Portugal got them BEFORE you guys in USA/UK... Thats all.

        It's interesting you mention Portugal as I've noticed Google always tests things there first.
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  • Profile picture of the author wolfmmiii
    I have noticed a few "dormant" sites come to life in the last day or two.
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  • Profile picture of the author ibs
    same with me my sites are back and the ones i made good changes to are also ranking high lets not complain
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    • Profile picture of the author dudelive
      I had 1 site that was at #14 for a 14 million result keyword that dropped too 900 or so when panda came to visit and in the last day or so it is at 354 and still going so I hope this nightmare is over.

      I also have seen my spot on Yahoo and Bing raise at the same time.
      Tony
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      • Profile picture of the author majurski
        The same situation with me. Probably after Panda, Google start suffer from less incoming, I just wonder... May be they are not yet ready for that big change. I hope so...
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  • Profile picture of the author BloggingPro
    Hmm... one of my sites that got pushed all the way to the back for its keyword is alive and well on page two. LOL part of me wants to fire up some Xrumer blasts to see how hard I can push this renewed positioning.
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  • Profile picture of the author koppster
    The sites normally return to their past positions just keep working on them.
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    • Profile picture of the author vij
      Originally Posted by koppster View Post

      The sites normally return to their past positions just keep working on them.
      James
      This thread is more about recovery reports from Panda off late.
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  • Profile picture of the author mooble
    I had 12 sites that had disappeared completely from page 1 about 2 months ago come back, some in better spots. I'm very very happy with this, and i hope it stays there for a while and doesn't go away again in a couple days. My earnings had dropped massively since those 12 sites were gone. It's spiked massively back since they're back. Hope it lasts.
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  • Profile picture of the author wolfmmiii
    Anyone else seeing an uptick in dormant site traffic?
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    • Profile picture of the author vij
      Originally Posted by wolfmmiii View Post

      Anyone else seeing an uptick in dormant site traffic?
      I noticed these -
      1. Some older sites are back and so are some of the competitors.
      2. There has been a rise in traffic even on sites that retained their position(no change since last week) - for google.co.uk
      3. On a niche I had 4 sites - A, B , C , D.
      A and B that was sent to 400+ after the panda update are now back on first page. C and D that survived the Panda are now gone. Now the keyword for which site D was ranked has just 1 relevant result on Page-1 and even that does not have the keyword in the title. Very strange.
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  • Profile picture of the author fun8848
    my site's rank drops steeply from the first page down to the third page, i'm confused what's going wrong? what can i do?
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  • Profile picture of the author razorhound
    Definitely a good sign, at least for now. After reading this thread I went ahead and checked all the dancing sites again, most of them came back to their previous rankings. Those were on page 1 returned to page 1, page 2 returned to page 2, some remain the same, some started to climb back (from position 800 to 190). So I guess its pretty good, hope the rest will get back to the top positions soon.
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  • Profile picture of the author Johnletton
    Originally Posted by vij View Post

    5 of my websites returned from the abyss in the last 12 hours. 4 of them back on the first page and 1 on the 5th page. All back from >500. But a good earning site disappeared at the same time. I also see some of my competitors are back. All sites in the health niche.

    Wanted to know if anyone else is seeing similar shuffle.



    I have observed very much closely that Google has hit those sites only whose sites are based on content so. ecommerce type sites are not hit much due to little use of content.
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  • Profile picture of the author Billy Rey
    yup there was an update. Still checking what else it changed, but so far, its for the better. They are finally fixing their mistakes
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    • Profile picture of the author rinor81
      I guess we're seeing the results now prior to the Panda update...question is - are these the new rankings for now (I hope so!) or is it just temporary and Google is "playing" with himself...

      Anyhow, same here, sites that were long gone are back to page 1 of Google.co.uk on places #3 and #5....I hope it stays this way for good but I have no idea what this change is, what it means or how long it will last...

      Any news from Google or their blog? Something?
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  • Profile picture of the author Taruru
    might explain why i had a no.2 article dropping to...nowhere! can't even find it!
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  • Profile picture of the author StoneWilson
    Bad for me, my website's rank from #1 drop to #2. I'll check today's traffic later.
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    • Profile picture of the author rinor81
      Originally Posted by StoneWilson View Post

      Bad for me, my website's rank from #1 drop to #2. I'll check today's traffic later.
      I wish we all had these kind of problems, getting to #2....
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      • Profile picture of the author StoneWilson
        Originally Posted by rinor81 View Post

        I wish we all had these kind of problems, getting to #2....
        Now it droped to #4.
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        • Profile picture of the author vij
          Originally Posted by StoneWilson View Post

          Now it droped to #4.
          A keyword of mine is jumping between 1 and 4 every few minutes, they are probably not yet through the update or whatever, I think we will have to wait this week out before we come to conclusions.
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          • Profile picture of the author Tom L
            It's definitely happening again... I've had multiple sites go from #1-#3 to #8-#11 exactly 2 days ago. Almost all jumped exactly 8 spaces, and 2 are making their way back.

            What's really interesting is that I've noticed a lot of dormant sites (such as ones with the "hello" original wordpress theme w/zero content) make it into the top #10.

            This is another dance and these positions cannot last unless Google is throwing in the towel. Many older people that I speak to already switch to Bing & Yahoo as they say that they can never find anything but nonsense on the big G.
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            • Profile picture of the author rinor81
              Originally Posted by Tom L View Post

              It's definitely happening again... I've had multiple sites go from #1-#3 to #8-#11 exactly 2 days ago. Almost all jumped exactly 8 spaces, and 2 are making their way back.

              What's really interesting is that I've noticed a lot of dormant sites (such as ones with the "hello" original wordpress theme w/zero content) make it into the top #10.

              This is another dance and these positions cannot last unless Google is throwing in the towel. Many older people that I speak to already switch to Bing & Yahoo as they say that they can never find anything but nonsense on the big G.
              The thing is, if we think we somewhat know about the Google algorithm, with Bing and Yahoo we have no idea what makes the sites rank high.

              Yes, I know....build quality links and have good quality content. Believe me this doesn't help all the time. Not trying to manipulate anything, just trying to figure out how to get a bit more out of Yahoo and Bing.
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              • Profile picture of the author vij
                Originally Posted by rinor81 View Post

                The thing is, if we think we somewhat know about the Google algorithm, with Bing and Yahoo we have no idea what makes the sites rank high.

                Yes, I know....build quality links and have good quality content. Believe me this doesn't help all the time. Not trying to manipulate anything, just trying to figure out how to get a bit more out of Yahoo and Bing.
                Yahoo and bing respond to heavy duty scrapebox blasting a lot and the 2 engines also like heavy consistent link velocity. But the downside is G will in all likelihood punish you.

                Google still gives way better results. But even I am seeing a generic privacy policy page ranking on page4 for a product keyword. Maybe it is a page of the domain that was ranking well previously.
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            • Profile picture of the author Tom L
              Originally Posted by peterjamesmorris View Post

              Yea, there's no way they can leave things like this for long.

              The top 10 in my niche is now something of joke - they have domain names which match the relevant keyword, but no content that's even vaguely relevant to the keyword.

              Example - The #6 ranked website (my old spot) for the electronics niche I'm in is just auto-translated drivel about masturbation (no, I'm not joking!)
              Google's mood swings are a part of the game and its something we just have to deal with. After all its our foundation (not a solid one) if we pursue SEO. I have a few sites ranking high in Bing & Yahoo (not found in Google for some reason) and are making good money. The people searching on those other search engines are definitely buyers and click happy.

              As to the changes that are happening now, merchant sites (little content) are not touched but a lot of niche sites are jumping around.

              The authority sites that I have weren't touched at all.
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  • Profile picture of the author MonopolyMan
    Anyone else noticed a complete U-turn today?

    All of my sites gone again this morning and the one that dropped is still dropped.
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    • Profile picture of the author rinor81
      Originally Posted by MonopolyMan View Post

      Anyone else noticed a complete U-turn today?

      All of my sites gone again this morning and the one that dropped is still dropped.
      No, still all the sites that were gone before and got back 1-2 days ago are still in their spots on page 1 of Google for me....
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    • Profile picture of the author vij
      Originally Posted by MonopolyMan View Post

      Anyone else noticed a complete U-turn today?

      All of my sites gone again this morning and the one that dropped is still dropped.
      Wow. did you lose the positions on the dozen sites tat you said returned to first page?

      I see this my end
      1. 4 websites that made it to first page still staying.
      2. 2 websites that came to around 100 from 500 is not to be found anywhere in top 1000. Sometimes this is good as it does get put in the first 2 pages many such times. ( or) who knows Google took the irrelevant rise on those sites back.
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  • Profile picture of the author Zeb
    I'm having a mixed result. Some of my sites are up and some are down. Can't really explain it though cause i use the same techniques for my sites and this happens. Google complexity.
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  • Profile picture of the author Billy Rey
    yup a little tweak some hours ago. Some stayed, some dropped. This has been an active year for them
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  • Profile picture of the author MagicMarket
    seeing a lot of shifts in the serps. i wonder if its only temporary, or if they adjust the latest update.
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  • Profile picture of the author vij
    Originally Posted by peterjamesmorris View Post

    Very confusing! My site has been thrown out of the top 10, and is jumping around the top 1000 instead.

    The site that has taken my #6 spot on google.co.uk is a spammy affiliate site with more affiliate links than content, that isn't even relevant to the UK!

    Kinda insulted lol :-)
    The UK results in particular look silly for a keyword of mine. I have an exact match domain with 2500 words of content on the homepage. No spammy links at all, infact only around 100 decent backlinks. Was ranking 1. Now I am at 280. The site that has replaced me is not even supposed to be in UK results and is a .com site that has its server in US and catering to US people.

    Having said that, I have had quite a few sites return to first page for google USA.
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    • Profile picture of the author rinor81
      I see people are starting to report things back to "normal"....I'm glad my sites that were back are still on page 1 of Google.co.uk

      Hope they won't disappear again but I'll have to check day by day and see....also will follow this thread if anyone updates anything.

      Good Day all...
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    • Profile picture of the author JhonBrown21
      hi there,
      i am working on site for 4 weeks now. My site is on first page of google for one keyword. But the software is showing N/A for other keywords.
      Can anybody tell me what should i do. And also can anybody please tell about any seo software which can look at 1000 or 2000 result of any keyword.

      Please help me
      Thanks
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      • Profile picture of the author FrFai
        Originally Posted by JhonBrown21 View Post

        hi there,
        i am working on site for 4 weeks now. My site is on first page of google for one keyword. But the software is showing N/A for other keywords.
        Can anybody tell me what should i do. And also can anybody please tell about any seo software which can look at 1000 or 2000 result of any keyword.

        Please help me
        Thanks
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      • Profile picture of the author vij
        Originally Posted by JhonBrown21 View Post

        hi there,
        i am working on site for 4 weeks now. My site is on first page of google for one keyword. But the software is showing N/A for other keywords.
        Can anybody tell me what should i do. And also can anybody please tell about any seo software which can look at 1000 or 2000 result of any keyword.

        Please help me
        Thanks
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      • Profile picture of the author chrisen
        Hello all,

        I've been following this and similar threads recently. I was wondering if you guys could take a look at my site and see where I went wrong.

        This is my first "real" site that I have attempted. Everything was going fine until June 6. Then it started jumping around until settling on the last page of results (page 54-56 depending on day). It was originally staying around position 11-14 (not page). I wasn't sure if dropped due to "honeymoon period" wearing off or if the update had whacked me on that day. It seems rather harsh for "honeymoon" to drop me to last page.

        I waited about a week before I made any changes to the site in case it was just dancing. I finally decided to make some changes. I have recently changed the theme from flexibility 3, nofollowed affiliate links, taken affiliate text links out above the "read more", and disabled comments in case one was linking to a "bad neighborhood".

        After reading some of the recent responses I am now worried that the "Features" and "Customer Reviews" under my posts may be identified as scraped since I did copy and paste those small portions from Amazon.

        I have noticed that I was constantly getting trackbacks from an automated site to many of my posts; wasn't too sure if this mattered or not. Just played it safe and labeled them as spam.

        I did a request for reconsideration yesterday and don't expect a response for awhile. Should I take out the "Features" and "Customer Reviews" sections of my posts or could it be something else I'm missing?

        The website is www dot trampolinereviewsclub dot com

        Thank you for any input.
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        • Profile picture of the author coronaborcalis
          Originally Posted by chrisen View Post

          Hello all,

          I've been following this and similar threads recently. I was wondering if you guys could take a look at my site and see where I went wrong.

          This is my first "real" site that I have attempted. Everything was going fine until June 6. Then it started jumping around until settling on the last page of results (page 54-56 depending on day). It was originally staying around position 11-14 (not page). I wasn't sure if dropped due to "honeymoon period" wearing off or if the update had whacked me on that day. It seems rather harsh for "honeymoon" to drop me to last page.

          I waited about a week before I made any changes to the site in case it was just dancing. I finally decided to make some changes. I have recently changed the theme from flexibility 3, nofollowed affiliate links, taken affiliate text links out above the "read more", and disabled comments in case one was linking to a "bad neighborhood".

          After reading some of the recent responses I am now worried that the "Features" and "Customer Reviews" under my posts may be identified as scraped since I did copy and paste those small portions from Amazon.

          I have noticed that I was constantly getting trackbacks from an automated site to many of my posts; wasn't too sure if this mattered or not. Just played it safe and labeled them as spam.

          I did a request for reconsideration yesterday and don't expect a response for awhile. Should I take out the "Features" and "Customer Reviews" sections of my posts or could it be something else I'm missing?

          The website is www dot trampolinereviewsclub dot com

          Thank you for any input.
          Your site is doing fine mate. And also I have check both from Google Indonesia and Google US using proxy and both result are same. You are the #1. I attach the picture in case you want to see it. I like your site all of your aff links seems to be begging for clicked which is really good

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  • Profile picture of the author milczy
    Originally Posted by peterjamesmorris View Post

    Very confusing! My site has been thrown out of the top 10, and is jumping around the top 1000 instead.

    The site that has taken my #6 spot on google.co.uk is a spammy affiliate site with more affiliate links than content, that isn't even relevant to the UK!

    Kinda insulted lol :-)
    Yeah I agree! All my 5 sites that have been affected. 1 which was holding number 1 spot went to 19 about 2 weeks ago. Then I have another which is an Australian site that was slowly rising lost 400 spots today on one of the keywords and another I was ranking about 30 for is not even in the top 1000.

    Another one which was slowly rising and I had my best day of 85 hits about 2 weeks ago I can see today is falling. Only got 11 hits today and lost rankings. I am not even in the top 50 for US searches, yet about 1 week ago I was ranking in the top 5.

    I am only new to internet marketing and when I first started about 6 months ago I made a site which was just crap. I have not touched it in about 5 months because I realised I was going about it all wrong and so it has 1 page which links directly to a clickbank product, yet I am ranking 12 on my keywords for that one!

    Weird weird weird!

    Wonder what is going on???
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  • Profile picture of the author wolfmmiii
    Well, that didn't take long. Sites of mine that were resurrected yesterday have fallen off significantly again.
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    • Profile picture of the author cooler1
      Originally Posted by wolfmmiii View Post

      Well, that didn't take long. Sites of mine that were resurrected yesterday have fallen off significantly again.
      Same has happened to me.

      I had 3 sites which are about 3 months old which weren't anywhere in the top 20. Yesterday the 3 sites moved to page 1, page 2 and page 3. I checked them today and none of them are in the top 20.

      Frustrating stuff.
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  • Profile picture of the author wolfmmiii
    What makes it even more frustrating is that some of the sites that seem largely unaffected are the stupid scraper sites and junk blogs that show 5 lines of incoherent content along with copied/pasted product reviews from Amazon.
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  • Profile picture of the author Fernando Veloso
    Originally Posted by peterjamesmorris View Post

    Very confusing! My site has been thrown out of the top 10, and is jumping around the top 1000 instead.

    The site that has taken my #6 spot on google.co.uk is a spammy affiliate site with more affiliate links than content, that isn't even relevant to the UK!

    Kinda insulted lol :-)
    Yesterday noticed some weird stuff: one site with no content - it's a parked domain name ranking top 3, and Brazilian sites I never saw before in top 10.
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  • Profile picture of the author Captain_Morgan
    for some reason one of my sites with unique content was 4th now vanished competley how strange!!!
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  • Profile picture of the author Franksol
    What is the average time you guys waited for those panda affected sites to come back?
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  • Profile picture of the author wolfmmiii
    Some of my dormant sites have been dormant for months, others for weeks. For me, its a moot point this morning since those once-dormant sites (which came back to life for 24 hours) have once again disappeared.

    I find myself asking why I even bother.
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  • Profile picture of the author matt5409
    Glad this has been mentioned because yesterday ALL my niche sites reappeared at the top of the search results, having disappeared from the index for the last 4 months. What is going on? I expect these results won't last, but I'm enjoying it while they're there!
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    • Profile picture of the author wolfmmiii
      Originally Posted by matt5409 View Post

      Glad this has been mentioned because yesterday ALL my niche sites reappeared at the top of the search results, having disappeared from the index for the last 4 months. What is going on? I expect these results won't last, but I'm enjoying it while they're there!
      I had several sites reappear yesterday only to disappear again overnight.

      Keep us posted with what you see with your sites in the coming days.
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      • Profile picture of the author rinor81
        Originally Posted by wolfmmiii View Post

        I had several sites reappear yesterday only to disappear again overnight.

        Keep us posted with what you see with your sites in the coming days.
        Well, my niche sites that disappeared are still up on page 1 of Google...let's see what happens next.

        Wolfmmiii, what kind of sites you're doing these days if I may ask since I understand you don't do niche sites anymore.
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        • Profile picture of the author wolfmmiii
          Originally Posted by rinor81 View Post

          Well, my niche sites that disappeared are still up on page 1 of Google...let's see what happens next.

          Wolfmmiii, what kind of sites you're doing these days if I may ask since I understand you don't do niche sites anymore.
          I've focused on building out product review/information sites. Most of my sites now consist of hundreds of pages of unique content/reviews.

          I try to build a site per week.
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          • Profile picture of the author rinor81
            Originally Posted by wolfmmiii View Post

            I've focused on building out product review/information sites. Most of my sites now consist of hundreds of pages of unique content/reviews.

            I try to build a site per week.
            You're still an affiliate? Build affiliate sites?

            I used to have review sites as well, 2 of them are now back up on page 1 of Google.co.uk and I hope they stay there since they made me money back then...but I think you're right, I think Google is going some kind of an update and we're seeing different versions or something like that...

            Now I try to build sites which are bigger, still in some kind of a niche but always try to add content there.
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            • Profile picture of the author wolfmmiii
              Originally Posted by rinor81 View Post

              You're still an affiliate? Build affiliate sites?

              I used to have review sites as well, 2 of them are now back up on page 1 of Google.co.uk and I hope they stay there since they made me money back then...but I think you're right, I think Google is going some kind of an update and we're seeing different versions or something like that...

              Now I try to build sites which are bigger, still in some kind of a niche but always try to add content there.
              Yeah. I follow the same strategy. Most of my sites include dozens (at a minimum) of products. I have one site that's into hundreds of products.
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              • Profile picture of the author rinor81
                Originally Posted by wolfmmiii View Post

                Yeah. I follow the same strategy. Most of my sites include dozens (at a minimum) of products. I have one site that's into hundreds of products.
                And those sites, how do you promote them? Where do you see them now after this Google weird update?

                Thanks man,
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                • Profile picture of the author wolfmmiii
                  @rinor81: Mostly article marketing.

                  @janellelk: I'm not certain it is all Panda related. In fact, I'd argue it is not. That said, there was a definite algo shift that occurred over the last 48 hours. Unfortunately for me, Google gave me back several sites only to take them away not more than 24 hours later. Something definitely changed.
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                  • Profile picture of the author cooler1
                    Originally Posted by wolfmmiii View Post

                    @rinor81: Mostly article marketing.

                    @janellelk: I'm not certain it is all Panda related. In fact, I'd argue it is not. That said, there was a definite algo shift that occurred over the last 48 hours. Unfortunately for me, Google gave me back several sites only to take them away not more than 24 hours later. Something definitely changed.
                    I was wondering if it's a good sign or not that they moved up briefly. Has the algo determined the sites don't deserve the ranking so moved them down.

                    How old are your sites which moved up then went down 24 hours later? Mine are about 3 months old.

                    For one of my sites main keywords, the site which is on page 1, slot #1 for that keyword has only 2 backlinks and is a very thin site with only 3 short reviews, but their site hasn't moved at all during this algo shift and is still in slot #1, page 1.
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  • Profile picture of the author dagaul101
    Give it a few weeks, the Panda update apparently doesn't target all duplicate content sites
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  • Profile picture of the author Franksol
    I noticed that several of my competitors are popping in and out of the SERP as well. Some of them stayed for a week or so and then dropped.

    Why are these sites so volatile in rankings?
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  • Profile picture of the author wolfmmiii
    G is clearly in the midst of some kind of update. Maybe different datacenters showing different results?
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  • Profile picture of the author BXPS
    My site ranked 1 in google & has completly dissapeared now.
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  • Profile picture of the author janellelk
    Why is the ripple effect still being felt? Wasn't the Panda update several months ago?

    Just curious. Not contesting what people are experiencing or what I personally am experiencing in reaction to change in google algos.. but I just don't understand why we're still feeling the effects.

    Thanks!
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  • Profile picture of the author dp40oz
    My website was ranking first page for over 200 keywords. 2 nights ago it dropped off the face of the world now it has slowly re-entered the 300-500's but the pages that are ranking are just odd. Its almost like Google is confused and ranking the wrong pages for the wrong terms. Im hoping this is just a sign that Google is returning to normal and hopefully my page will back where it was before in a few days. I have my fingers crossed.
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  • Profile picture of the author RichardF
    Yeah I've had 10+ sites return from the very last pages of the search results, to the same or better rankings than before. They've been gone for months and now they're resurrected so I'm obviously happy about this change. I figure it's some sort of filter that's been lifted or reduced. Who knows if it's going to last though...
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    • Profile picture of the author rinor81
      Just checked my 2 sites that were back after vanished for over 6 months and they are still on page 1 as they were...hope they stay there...

      Anyone else still sees his sites up or are they down again?
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      • Profile picture of the author MonopolyMan
        Originally Posted by rinor81 View Post

        Just checked my 2 sites that were back after vanished for over 6 months and they are still on page 1 as they were...hope they stay there...

        Anyone else still sees his sites up or are they down again?
        The majority of mine are down again, but one or two seems to have slipped the net so far.
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  • Profile picture of the author coronaborcalis
    I thought just my site that get lost from ranking in G. Now I just afraid that creating unique content and useful, optimizing for user experience are good for google because the #1 spot for my chosen keyword takes by the scam site that looks like autoblogs with full ads around site
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    • Profile picture of the author dp40oz
      Originally Posted by coronaborcalis View Post

      I thought just my site that get lost from ranking in G. Now I just afraid that creating unique content and useful, optimizing for user experience are good for google because the #1 spot for my chosen keyword takes by the scam site that looks like autoblogs with full ads around site
      All of this just makes me think that 1 page sites just made to shoot to the top of the rankings are the way to go these days. Why did I bother making a monster authority site that was making a ton of money only to see it get destroyed for virtually no reason. I'd much rather have 100's of little sites, each one individually can get drowned in the rankings without it being a big deal.

      By dramatically penalizing sites Google is forcing their "enemies" to game the system quicker, faster and with more force. They should really be a bit more sly then just doing massive ranking drops. If they had slowly brought my site down in the rankings and left my pages at page 15 after 2 months of creeping downwards I'd be confused and blame myself.
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      • Profile picture of the author vij
        Originally Posted by dp40oz View Post

        All of this just makes me think that 1 page sites just made to shoot to the top of the rankings are the way to go these days. Why did I bother making a monster authority site that was making a ton of money only to see it get destroyed for virtually no reason. I'd much rather have 100's of little sites, each one individually can get drowned in the rankings without it being a big deal.

        By dramatically penalizing sites Google is forcing their "enemies" to game the system quicker, faster and with more force. They should really be a bit more sly then just doing massive ranking drops. If they had slowly brought my site down in the rankings and left my pages at page 15 after 2 months of creeping downwards I'd be confused and blame myself.
        What are you talking about. Just because a site has one page does not mean it cant be well targeted and useful for a keyword. If a site has one page that has over 1000-2000 words of unique and well structured content, then there is no reason why it shouldn't outrank bigger sites. Its not about how many pages a site has, its about what you do with that page, its about whats in that page.
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        • Profile picture of the author dp40oz
          Originally Posted by vij View Post

          What are you talking about. Just because a site has one page does not mean it cant be well targeted and useful for a keyword. If a site has one page that has over 1000-2000 words of unique and well structured content, then there is no reason why it shouldn't outrank bigger sites. Its not about how many pages a site has, its about what you do with that page, its about whats in that page.
          Yea absolutely. I totally agree im not sure why you think I was bashing small sites. I was just saying if you look at Googles Panda recommendations. They say things like.

          "Is the site a large authority site"
          "Does your site have many informative pages or is it a thin 1-2 page site"

          My point being is that I worked very hard at developing this particular website. I had over 200 quality page 1 rankings and about 80 indexed pages of decent content. Now Google has out of nowhere slapped my site, every single page of it down to the bottom of the SERPS. Why would I ever put so much effort into a site like that again just to have Google play judge and jury on a whim with no warning or anything.

          The smarter plan seems to be to spend little or no time on a website. Pound it to the top of the rankings, let it make some money, hope it sticks but if not I got another 20 of them coming around the corner. This is exactly what Google doesn't want us to do but by having massive penalties built into their algo you leave guys like me who know how to rank pages quickly and effectively to go with whats safe and what works.

          I remember Myspace ended up doing similar things. They tried to over police the system causing those who were gaming it to become more aggressive and ultimately taking it down. I can give you specifics but I won't bore you with what they should have done differently. The average Google searcher doesn't care about what Matt Cutts considers webspam, they don't even notice. I gave Google what it wanted, by not producing "thin useless sites", rather large informative sites but now I see no point.
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          • Profile picture of the author Tom L
            Originally Posted by dp40oz View Post

            Yea absolutely. I totally agree im not sure why you think I was bashing small sites. I was just saying if you look at Googles Panda recommendations. They say things like.

            "Is the site a large authority site"
            "Does your site have many informative pages or is it a thin 1-2 page site"

            My point being is that I worked very hard at developing this particular website. I had over 200 quality page 1 rankings and about 80 indexed pages of decent content. Now Google has out of nowhere slapped my site, every single page of it down to the bottom of the SERPS. Why would I ever put so much effort into a site like that again just to have Google play judge and jury on a whim with no warning or anything.

            The smarter plan seems to be to spend little or no time on a website. Pound it to the top of the rankings, let it make some money, hope it sticks but if not I got another 20 of them coming around the corner. This is exactly what Google doesn't want us to do but by having massive penalties built into their algo you leave guys like me who know how to rank pages quickly and effectively to go with whats safe and what works.

            I remember Myspace ended up doing similar things. They tried to over police the system causing those who were gaming it to become more aggressive and ultimately taking it down. I can give you specifics but I won't bore you with what they should have done differently. The average Google searcher doesn't care about what Matt Cutts considers webspam, they don't even notice. I gave Google what it wanted, by not producing "thin useless sites", rather large informative sites but now I see no point.
            I think a mix of authority sites, niche (thin) sites, merchant sites as well as ways to make money that do not depend on Google are really the way to go.

            There is not point saying that Matt said do this and now he punished me so I don't like him and won't ever do what's right again. Think about your visitors as well... especially with an authority site. Mine gets 25% of its traffic directly from people already having it bookmarked and another 25% from direct links via other sites (some colleges etc.) This makes me care very little about what Google has to say (didn't penalize the site though which is interesting) and I don't even have a list going (which I know, is a bad move... but am getting to it).

            All the sites combined make up a good pie and I tend to sail through the stormy waters without much problems. The income might drop for a couple days... but that's mostly my fault as I don't have enough income streams yet.

            Didn't mean to rant... but instead of blaming Google, look in the mirror... it's like that person that gets cut of on the road and screams and the person in front, while that one doesn't even notice a thing
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            • Profile picture of the author dp40oz
              Originally Posted by Tom L View Post

              I think a mix of authority sites, niche (thin) sites, merchant sites as well as ways to make money that do not depend on Google are really the way to go.

              There is not point saying that Matt said do this and now he punished me so I don't like him and won't ever do what's right again. Think about your visitors as well... especially with an authority site. Mine gets 25% of its traffic directly from people already having it bookmarked and another 25% from direct links via other sites (some colleges etc.) This makes me care very little about what Google has to say (didn't penalize the site though which is interesting) and I don't even have a list going (which I know, is a bad move... but am getting to it).

              All the sites combined make up a good pie and I tend to sail through the stormy waters without much problems. The income might drop for a couple days... but that's mostly my fault as I don't have enough income streams yet.

              Didn't mean to rant... but instead of blaming Google, look in the mirror... it's like that person that gets cut of on the road and screams and the person in front, while that one doesn't even notice a thing
              Yea you are definitely right. Im still mourning the loss of this one so im a little angry. I have a feeling it will come back eventually which further perpetuates my feelings that Google has no idea what their really doing anymore. The algo has surpassed the point of anyone really fully understanding it and what Matt Cutts THINKS are making search results better in reality is just shuffling them. Can anyone really tell me that Panda did anything better for Google? It punished some awful sites and boosted some other awful sites. I mean cmon does anyone really care that the #4 search term for "foot fungus in men over 40" might be a less then stellar website.
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          • Profile picture of the author vij
            Originally Posted by dp40oz View Post

            Yea absolutely. I totally agree im not sure why you think I was bashing small sites. I was just saying if you look at Googles Panda recommendations. They say things like.

            "Is the site a large authority site"
            "Does your site have many informative pages or is it a thin 1-2 page site"

            My point being is that I worked very hard at developing this particular website. I had over 200 quality page 1 rankings and about 80 indexed pages of decent content. Now Google has out of nowhere slapped my site, every single page of it down to the bottom of the SERPS. Why would I ever put so much effort into a site like that again just to have Google play judge and jury on a whim with no warning or anything.

            The smarter plan seems to be to spend little or no time on a website. Pound it to the top of the rankings, let it make some money, hope it sticks but if not I got another 20 of them coming around the corner. This is exactly what Google doesn't want us to do but by having massive penalties built into their algo you leave guys like me who know how to rank pages quickly and effectively to go with whats safe and what works.

            I remember Myspace ended up doing similar things. They tried to over police the system causing those who were gaming it to become more aggressive and ultimately taking it down. I can give you specifics but I won't bore you with what they should have done differently. The average Google searcher doesn't care about what Matt Cutts considers webspam, they don't even notice. I gave Google what it wanted, by not producing "thin useless sites", rather large informative sites but now I see no point.
            I feel your pain. Having a site like that fall can be depressing. Google has promised more panda updates to fix errors, so lets remain hopeful.
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            • Profile picture of the author Tom L
              One more thing I wanted to add. In my opinion, the re-shuffling is done on purpose.

              Google doesn't really care if some great sited drop in rankings for a few weeks, or a few bad sites go up in that same time.

              What they do care about, however, is that none of us see (figure out) exactly what they are doing.

              Think of it as the politician talking about someone tweeting a pic of their wiener or arnold's mistress to get people's attention while they are signing laws into place that would never pass if noticed.

              Google's mission is the same, create the changes they want and feel are right without the SEO guys being able to get it. There's a huge reason why they hired so many psychologist majors within the last few years.
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              • Profile picture of the author LiamP
                I found this Panda article interesting:

                Coming Soon: Google Panda Update 2.2

                FTA : "In particular, he noted that the Panda algorithm is run against Google's entire index of pages on an infrequent basis, in order to tag certain sites that should be dinged by it, as opposed to some of its automatic spam detection tools. For example, Google's constantly scanning for pages that might use hidden text. If it spots them, then it may assess a penalty.
                Google is not constantly scanning for pages that might get hit by its Panda penalty. Instead, Google manually runs that algorithm, which then determines web sites that should be hit by it.
                This also means that making changes to a site hit by Panda won't produce any immediate change in Google. Instead, such changes -- if they are beneficial -- wouldn't get registered by Google until the next Panda assessment.
                When is Panda run? Google didn't say. But it seems to be something that runs every few weeks and in association with when the algorithm is improved (Panda 1.0, Panda 2.0, Panda 2.1, Panda 2.2, etc.)"


                So if this is correct a lot of sites can expect consistent inconsistency in the SERPS as an update is done every few weeks.. You would hope each run of the algorithm would affect less sites though.
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              • Profile picture of the author dp40oz
                Originally Posted by Tom L View Post

                One more thing I wanted to add. In my opinion, the re-shuffling is done on purpose.

                Google doesn't really care if some great sited drop in rankings for a few weeks, or a few bad sites go up in that same time.

                What they do care about, however, is that none of us see (figure out) exactly what they are doing.

                Think of it as the politician talking about someone tweeting a pic of their wiener or arnold's mistress to get people's attention while they are signing laws into place that would never pass if noticed.

                Google's mission is the same, create the changes they want and feel are right without the SEO guys being able to get it. There's a huge reason why they hired so many psychologist majors within the last few years.
                I would think this were true but if Google were re-shuffling just for the sake of re-shuffling they'd be risking obvious relevant pages getting caught in the mix and a big deterioration of their search results. At least thats what I would think.
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  • Profile picture of the author Shakd
    Ouch... It's always scary hearing about these Panda/whatever updates Google does...For the most part, if your doing your linking and content right, all is well.. however, Google can make mistakes too, and hurts you in the end! I'm a beginner, but I can imagine the frustrations!
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  • Profile picture of the author milczy
    There is something seriously wrong here though. I am trying to rank in Australia for some keywords in a competitive niche. There actually isn't THAT much competition in Australia. The site which is ranking second for these competitive keywords has 5 pages with nothing really on them and 0 backlinks!

    The page ranking first is US. All my Australian competitors seem to have dropped as well except for this one spammy site with nothing of any value on there.

    This has only happened after whatever this change in algorithm was a couple of days ago. Panda or not!

    I just think from an end user point of view the search results have deteriorated from this. And for me who has worked hard to try and get my new sites ranked, was achieving success climbing the rankings and wham. Spammy crappy sites overtaking me!
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  • Profile picture of the author Jeremy Banks
    Google is always changing things up and moving sites around. Just keep adding content and getting links and you will see less and less movement
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    • Profile picture of the author doogie11
      I personally have 10 sites, 6 sit on #1 position with their main keyword as they did over 2 weeks ago. But they have been dancing on page 1 & page 2 for the last couple of weeks, every day in a different position. Hope Google doesn't push their "magic button" again for a while. I do spend time developing them with more content and backlinking, just to hopefully keep them stable.
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      • Profile picture of the author rinor81
        Just checked my rankings:

        2 sites of mine that were on page 1 for Google for months vanished today.

        Other sites are down to pages 5-6 from page 1.

        So frustrating....keep on building links and adding content? I hate Google...it became a real monster that does whatever it pleases, forgetting where it came from and who build it.
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        • Profile picture of the author Ernie Lo
          Originally Posted by rinor81 View Post

          Just checked my rankings:

          2 sites of mine that were on page 1 for Google for months vanished today.

          Other sites are down to pages 5-6 from page 1.
          .
          Yup just noticed same thing now. I checked a few hours ago everything was normal....then checked again just now and bam! not even in top 100 results for my main keyword!

          I'm sure it'll come back..but something is going on, and I dont like it:rolleyes:
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          • Profile picture of the author vij
            Here's my rant -
            If you have gained rankings during the last 48hrs there is a high probability of it not sticking.
            If you have lost rankings during the last 48hrs there is a high probability of the ranks coming back.

            Expected date 17th-19th June
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            • Profile picture of the author rinor81
              Originally Posted by vij View Post

              Here's my rant -
              If you have gained rankings during the last 48hrs there is a high probability of it not sticking.
              If you have lost rankings during the last 48hrs there is a high probability of the ranks coming back.

              Expected date 17th-19th June
              Vij,

              What do you mean man? I didn't quite understood you there...

              It goes like this - there were sites of mine that got back to page 1 of Google when this whole thing began and now disappeared again, not expecting them to show up but continuing building links to them using BMR service, hoping they'll show up eventually.

              There are sites that were on page 1 and only today vanished.

              There was a site that ranked on place 10 for two keyword, then got dropped to places 61-62 and now ranks 46-58 or so (places for 2 keywords on same site)...

              Ideas?

              Thanks,
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              • Profile picture of the author milczy
                None of my 5 sites have come back since this "whatever it is" my main traffic site has exact match keywords in my domain name. OK I am only .net but was ranked #1 for a few months. Now I am in the 100's and the ones that are ranking higher are sub pages of other sites with no backlinks. This sucks big time because I am only new at this and I have been working so hard!

                That's what happens when you depend upon a search engine for your traffic!
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              • Profile picture of the author vij
                Originally Posted by rinor81 View Post

                Vij,

                What do you mean man? I didn't quite understood you there...

                It goes like this - there were sites of mine that got back to page 1 of Google when this whole thing began and now disappeared again, not expecting them to show up but continuing building links to them using BMR service, hoping they'll show up eventually.

                There are sites that were on page 1 and only today vanished.

                There was a site that ranked on place 10 for two keyword, then got dropped to places 61-62 and now ranks 46-58 or so (places for 2 keywords on same site)...

                Ideas?

                Thanks,
                I mean just like last time those who benefited when this shuffle started 48hrs back will in all likelihood see things drop in most cases and vice versa. Just from that trend. No reason why or how. Just speculation based on past behavior.
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        • Profile picture of the author mkpoway
          Originally Posted by rinor81 View Post

          forgetting where it came from and who build it.
          It came from Stanford University and it was built by Larry Page and Sergey Brin
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    • Profile picture of the author rinor81
      Updates and updates...Google itself has no idea where he's targeting and it is not a friendly search engine as it was before.

      This is a real nightmare. You work so hard on sites just to see yourself vanished a few weeks or months later and like said here - it does not state any reason for that so you need to crack your head open and try to figure out what to do! Damn!

      My 2 niche sites are still on page 1 of Google and I hope they stay there but from what I see....I think it's all temporary until they do their update.

      Thing is, will it be possible to get them back to the serps? Will Google even notice them if I keep building links and adding content to the sites even after they will be hit again?

      Uncool man....
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  • Profile picture of the author BXPS
    My site which was ranking 1. is no where to be seen.
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  • Profile picture of the author FrFai
    I see a lot of squidoo pages ranking #1 after the Hit...
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    • Profile picture of the author vij
      Originally Posted by FrFai View Post

      I see a lot of squidoo pages ranking #1 after the Hit...
      Even I see plenty of squidoo, some of them really good squidoo lenses though. Could Squidoo be the first superpower to get a reprieve post panda.


      Originally Posted by igre123 View Post

      My all 4 websites went down from top5 position to 700 position.
      Please let me know what should i do now?
      Wait and watch, I guess we are not through the update yet, the search results look funny for many keywords. So they might do something. Also a good time to run a copyscape check and see if you can weed out any duplicate content.
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      • Profile picture of the author FrFai
        Originally Posted by vij View Post

        Even I see plenty of squidoo, some of them really good squidoo lenses though. Could Squidoo be the first superpower to get a reprieve post panda.
        I am researching now, found 1 keyword with 90000+ exact match global monthly searches. Squidoo lens is at #5 with 20 backlinks (1 PR1 and 19 PR0)...Should I compete with this squidoo or leave it ??? :rolleyes:
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        • Profile picture of the author vij
          Now looks like a RESET to pre 6th June. huh

          Maybe they have called the experiment off and are taking notes or something :confused:
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  • Profile picture of the author igre123
    My all 4 websites went down from top5 position to 700 position.
    Please let me know what should i do now?
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  • Profile picture of the author annaharryson
    Google has worked really well with my some of sites. i am very happy with it,
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  • Profile picture of the author Ernie Lo
    Traffic was down quite a lot yesterday...looks like ive been hit as well
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  • Profile picture of the author rauff
    my serp got some fluctuation
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    • Profile picture of the author mooble
      I knew it wouldn't last... All 15 of my sites which had come back 4 or 5 days ago are now all once again GONE. ALL AT ONCE. All still indexed, but not ranking for jack sh*t. I saw such a massive spike in traffic and earnings for the past 5 days i got really excited. Now im depressed and suicidal once again. Looks like i have another 2 months are so to wait before they might return again for another 5 days. What pisses me off is there's no reason for my sites to disappear like they do for so long. It's not a ban because they are still indexed and if it was a ban or a penalty they would never come back. So it's just some BS google crap.
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    • Profile picture of the author rinor81
      Well, 2 niche sites of mine that got back to page 1 of Google and one of them made me some nice sales over the past two days are gone to who knows where...guess Google updated his panda and we saw some old servers....

      A shame for me...they were selling good for me while we were on page 1.
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  • Profile picture of the author razorhound
    Could it be the test phase for panda 2.2? Hopefully we can get back the rankings when they rolled out.
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    • Profile picture of the author vij
      Originally Posted by razorhound View Post

      Could it be the test phase for panda 2.2? Hopefully we can get back the rankings when they rolled out.
      Wishful thinking, I wish the same.
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      • Profile picture of the author rinor81
        So wait, most of us here want the old rankings back? The ones that were 2-3 days ago? Or do you like the regular ones that are now back. I don't since I only see authority sites on page 1 and not sure we can even rank high now.

        Shame...
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        • Profile picture of the author mooble
          So if the reason my 15 sites came back was because they were just testing something, and now is the real deal, does that mean that my 15 sites are gone and never coming back? i mean really, what the hell kind of BS is this?
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          • Profile picture of the author rinor81
            Originally Posted by mooble View Post

            So if the reason my 15 sites came back was because they were just testing something, and now is the real deal, does that mean that my 15 sites are gone and never coming back? i mean really, what the hell kind of BS is this?
            I have 2 sites that made me good money vanished again, what I do is keep building links to them and hope they will reappear on Google and on good places...what else can you do really than add content and build links and hope...anyone?
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  • Profile picture of the author BXPS
    My site that ranked 1 in google, is no where to be seen yet!
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    • Profile picture of the author Lares
      Site 1: Came back from penalty June 6. Disappeared next day. Came back today.
      Site 2 and 3: Came back from penalty June 7. Disappeared today.
      Site 4: Never came back

      I love Google
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      • Profile picture of the author wolfmmiii
        Originally Posted by Lares View Post

        Site 1: Came back from penalty June 6. Disappeared next day. Came back today.
        Same thing here
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      • Profile picture of the author vij
        Originally Posted by Lares View Post

        Site 1: Came back from penalty June 6. Disappeared next day. Came back today.
        Site 2 and 3: Came back from penalty June 7. Disappeared today.
        Site 4: Never came back

        I love Google
        My sites came back from penalty on June 6. Stayed firm till it finally disappeared today. Musical chairs.
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        • Profile picture of the author razorhound
          Originally Posted by vij View Post

          My sites came back from penalty on June 6. Stayed firm till it finally disappeared today. Musical chairs.
          ^this

          Kinda rolled back.
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          • Profile picture of the author vij
            Originally Posted by razorhound View Post

            ^this

            Kinda rolled back.
            I was ranking 280 for a keyword in UK yesterday. Got 2 visitors. Today I rank 1. Got 1 visitor. Should be getting atleast 30. I checked using seoserp, used UK proxy, cleared cookies, asked a friend to check etc - It def shows ranked 1 but no visitors. I don't understand this. Weird.

            I also got more visitors on a couple of other websites ranked 4 during the shuffle than after the shufle even though their ranks didnt change.
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            • Profile picture of the author vij
              Rollback time again I guess. Many are back. One new one got trashed. Last rollback lasted 3 days, will this last longer. We will find out soon.
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      • Profile picture of the author Lares
        Originally Posted by Lares View Post

        Site 1: Came back from penalty June 6. Disappeared next day. Came back today.
        Site 2 and 3: Came back from penalty June 7. Disappeared today.
        Site 4: Never came back

        I love Google
        Site 1: Disappeared today
        Site 2 and 3: Came back today
        Site 4: Still nowhere to be found

        I guess google has new algorithm. 3 days on page one, 3 days penalized, then again on page 1 (for 3 days?)
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        • Profile picture of the author vij
          Originally Posted by Lares View Post

          Site 1: Disappeared today
          Site 2 and 3: Came back today
          Site 4: Still nowhere to be found

          I guess google has new algorithm. 3 days on page one, 3 days penalized, then again on page 1 (for 3 days?)
          I am seeing something similar. Like a rotation policy lol.
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      • Profile picture of the author Franksol
        Originally Posted by Lares View Post

        Site 1: Came back from penalty June 6. Disappeared next day. Came back today.
        Site 2 and 3: Came back from penalty June 7. Disappeared today.
        Site 4: Never came back

        I love Google
        How long did it take for site one to come back from penalty?
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  • Profile picture of the author razorhound
    Roller coaster time, hope it sticks.
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  • I definitely noticed a boost yesterday with one of my main sites. Something is up - it couldn't be due only to any tweaks I've made...
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  • Profile picture of the author AllanVans
    thanks for all this information....I was wondering what was happening to my site and my articles as well.....google is something else.......
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    • Profile picture of the author Lares
      I guess you all have affiliate links on your sites?

      One of my site build with same system as others and more aggressive link building its still ranking same. The only difference is that i didnt put any affiliate links on it.

      1 of my competitors got hit also. And he came back June 6th on 4th place. The funny thing is he deleted his website and it cant even be found. But he is still ranking on #4 without any dropping like my sites.
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  • Profile picture of the author markowe
    There is definitely some major flux - it's when they change something in the Matrix

    I do hope it settles down - right now I have some sites bouncing around all over the place, disappearing and reappearing several times a day. The rollback theory is interesting because a lot of my other rankings seem to have reverted to their positions back from a week or two ago (though nothing actually happened on the 6th-7th particularly). Almost like they have restored a backup to a few weeks ago!

    Also, I couldn't swear to it, but I don't see any results from SEO efforts right now, sites I am targetting staying firmly rooted. Something major is going on...
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    • Profile picture of the author vij
      Originally Posted by dp40oz View Post

      My site that disappeared June 6th is back in full force today. Let's hope it sticks.
      This seems to be just a temporary rollback. I think most of us agree that its not going to last. The best we can hope is when things are put back the odd site or 2 sticks on and the odd site or 2 comes back. Wishes wishes.

      Originally Posted by markowe View Post

      There is definitely some major flux - it's when they change something in the Matrix

      I do hope it settles down - right now I have some sites bouncing around all over the place, disappearing and reappearing several times a day. The rollback theory is interesting because a lot of my other rankings seem to have reverted to their positions back from a week or two ago (though nothing actually happened on the 6th-7th particularly). Almost like they have restored a backup to a few weeks ago!

      Also, I couldn't swear to it, but I don't see any results from SEO efforts right now, sites I am targetting staying firmly rooted. Something major is going on...
      Yes, something is going on. SEO efforts might not show during this period.
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      • Profile picture of the author dp40oz
        Originally Posted by vij View Post

        This seems to be just a temporary rollback. I think most of us agree that its not going to last. The best we can hope is when things are put back the odd site or 2 sticks on and the odd site or 2 comes back. Wishes wishes.
        Call me crazy but I don't think this was an algo thing. I think this was a server thing. The penalties were too harsh to be Panda IMO. Its not like our sites went from #1 to #250 it went from #1 to non existent for the search term. This is odd and it was also site specific not just page specific. I think Google may have been doing server transfers and sites who's indexing and backlinking data were on those servers were majorly affected. I don't think this had anything at all to do with penalties. Once again I might be wrong.
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        • Profile picture of the author mkpoway
          Just to add to the discussion here - On June 6th my site was ranked #190 for my main keyword, then on June 7th it jumped to #6 overnight. For the past week it's gotten lots of traffic and sales. Then today, it's gone from the top 200. My site is an amazon affiliate site with 20 pages of original content.

          Does anyone know if there's such a thing as 'too many affiliate links' that can get you penalized? I probably have 4-5 affiliate links per 500 words of content. I do add the rel="nofollow" attribute to all my outgoing affiliate links.
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          • Profile picture of the author FrFai
            Originally Posted by mkpoway View Post

            Does anyone know if there's such a thing as 'too many affiliate links' that can get you penalized? I probably have 4-5 affiliate links per 500 words of content. I do add the rel="nofollow" attribute to all my outgoing affiliate links.
            This can hurt, I have read about this here. Keep it look natural and non-spammy. I do 2 links in 1000 word content. 1st below para one and 2nd at the end.
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  • Profile picture of the author markowe
    OK, here's another weird thing: for a niche I am in, my .net competitor is still up there near the top of page one for the main EMD keywords with his root domain, I am lower down on page 1 with my root domain, then on page TWO there are TWO subpages of his, on page three or so there is another of my subpages, and so on. Never seen that before. That's when I use HideMyAss - using Scroogle Scraper, all five of the pages I mention are on page one. Weird stuff.
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    • Profile picture of the author Tom L
      Definitely going through some stormy waters right now... my traffic is up and down, CTR up and down but overall the income didn't get hit much. I noticed my authority sites didn't get hit much (moved in rankings) but its seems that for those Google is either turning the long tail faucet on/off.
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      • Profile picture of the author Charlie A
        You ever wonder if the people at google sit around on their coffee breaks reading posts here and just laugh at us?
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  • Profile picture of the author ryanjm
    ^I would. Then I'd press the button again
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  • Profile picture of the author pdrs
    Yeah mine are all over the place. Earners on the first page dropped to 2nd page, or into the abyss, dormant sites back with all sorts of rankings. Google's on crack.
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  • Profile picture of the author razorhound
    6th June

    Group A (site a,b,c) Back to Page 1,2
    Group B (site x,y,z) Gone

    10th June

    Group A (site a,b,c) Gone
    Group B (site x,y,z) Back to Page 1,2

    14th June

    Group A (site a,b,c) Back to Page 1,2
    Group B (site x,y,z) Gone

    18th June

    Group A (site a,b,c) ??
    Group B (site x,y,z) ??

    This is some weird stuff!
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  • Profile picture of the author areoo
    this is very frustrating... Mine was gradually rising to page one and now BAM! back to nowhere land... Hope what vij said is true.... lol
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  • Profile picture of the author markowe
    Once again I can back up that some sites are going crazy bouncing around for their keywords (more down than up). Odd that they are all basically micro-niche EMD affiliate-type sites that I have devoted a lot of backlinking to whereas my stuff that has just ranked naturally is holding firm.

    I wonder, I wonder... Maybe there IS something going on here related to backlink profiles (though my only semi-spammy backlinking has been AMR stuff, no forum profiles, comment spam etc.)

    Also, can anyone confirm what I have noticed, that current SEO efforts are basically not having any effect? I mean, I am talking about are strategies that would ALWAYS result in some sort of rise - sites with NO artificial backlinks that have naturally ranked at page 5-6. Usually, throwing a few (quality) links at them gets them moving - right now nothing is happening. I am inclined to think that this particular phenomenon is not about certain backlinking practices being devalued, but rather that G is currently busy doing something else and we will not see any results from our SEO efforts just now. Can anyone else confirm they are seeing this?
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    • Profile picture of the author razorhound
      Originally Posted by markowe View Post

      Once again I can back up that some sites are going crazy bouncing around for their keywords (more down than up). Odd that they are all basically micro-niche EMD affiliate-type sites that I have devoted a lot of backlinking to whereas my stuff that has just ranked naturally is holding firm.

      I wonder, I wonder... Maybe there IS something going on here related to backlink profiles (though my only semi-spammy backlinking has been AMR stuff, no forum profiles, comment spam etc.)

      Also, can anyone confirm what I have noticed, that current SEO efforts are basically not having any effect? I mean, I am talking about are strategies that would ALWAYS result in some sort of rise - sites with NO artificial backlinks that have naturally ranked at page 5-6. Usually, throwing a few (quality) links at them gets them moving - right now nothing is happening. I am inclined to think that this particular phenomenon is not about certain backlinking practices being devalued, but rather that G is currently busy doing something else and we will not see any results from our SEO efforts just now. Can anyone else confirm they are seeing this?
      I built 1 high quality backlink yesterday to one of my site and it moved up to #2, it was at solid #4/5 since Dec 2010.
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      • Profile picture of the author rinor81
        Can it be that we're seeing the end of affiliate business through Google?

        Is it possible now we all should have our own product to sell on our site or our
        own site that will give some sort of service? Direct service on our site so Google won't harm us anymore as affiliates?

        Very troubling stuff...

        Your thoughts on this matter?
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        • Profile picture of the author vij
          Originally Posted by rinor81 View Post

          Can it be that we're seeing the end of affiliate business through Google?

          Is it possible now we all should have our own product to sell on our site or our
          own site that will give some sort of service? Direct service on our site so Google won't harm us anymore as affiliates?

          Very troubling stuff...

          Your thoughts on this matter?
          Dont get paranoid. but ya, for some very popular consumer products I am only seeing big brands in the first 2 pages.
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        • Profile picture of the author markowe
          Originally Posted by rinor81 View Post

          Can it be that we're seeing the end of affiliate business through Google?

          Is it possible now we all should have our own product to sell on our site or our
          own site that will give some sort of service? Direct service on our site so Google won't harm us anymore as affiliates?

          Very troubling stuff...

          Your thoughts on this matter?
          I wouldn't go that far, but while this stuff is going on I AM going to spend some more time working on my non-SEO-related products, until we see what the heck is going on and what the picture is going to look like when this has all blown over.
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  • Profile picture of the author xxxJamesxxx
    One of my sites just got hit this morning

    It was getting a consistant 600/700 per day and it's lost all it's rankings.

    I do feel better reading this though as it's not just me as there is quite a few people here experiencing this too.

    I'd put it down to a algorithm change and all I can recommend is to try and ride it through and see what happens

    James
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  • Profile picture of the author wolfmmiii
    I have several sites (amazon-based) that are either brand new (less than 1 month old) or slightly older. Of all my sites, the oldest came back briefly last week, disappeared, came back, and has again disappeared.

    Since I've diversified, I'm still doing well traffic-wise with my newer sites that have been largely unaffected. In addition, I just noticed last night that MANY, MANY of my Web 2.0 properties have made massive comebacks.

    Something has been afoot now for a week or so. Not sure what they are trying to accomplish.
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    • Profile picture of the author cooler1
      Originally Posted by wolfmmiii View Post

      I have several sites (amazon-based) that are either brand new (less than 1 month old) or slightly older. Of all my sites, the oldest came back briefly last week, disappeared, came back, and has again disappeared.

      Since I've diversified, I'm still doing well traffic-wise with my newer sites that have been largely unaffected. In addition, I just noticed last night that MANY, MANY of my Web 2.0 properties have made massive comebacks.

      Something has been afoot now for a week or so. Not sure what they are trying to accomplish.
      That's exactly what happened with my Amazon sites also. They came back about 7th June then the next day, they were no where to be seen.

      Then a few days ago then came back into the top 3 or 4 pages, but now they've disappeared again. I don't know if they're dancing because they're new sites or because Google doesn't like affiliate sites or because they're trying to find the right place for them, but its frustrating.
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  • Profile picture of the author Keep Trying
    Read this news, as it might help to clarity some issues: Coming Soon: Google Panda Update 2.2
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    • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
      I am not seeing any fluctuations but then I have customers that have High PR links and they have been in place for awhile so perhaps thats the difference. New sites or sites with new spammy links. Or perhaps its the kind of content but I don't think everyone here is going to have the same kind of content.
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    No changes yet :-(
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  • Profile picture of the author markowe
    OK, so if this is another Panda update, here is what the Cuttster CLAIMS (in the article someone quoted above):

    The next update will target a common webmaster complaint related to the original Panda/Farmer update: sites that scrape and re-publish content and are out-ranking the original source of the content.
    So if that were true (though I am not saying it is!) it has NOTHING to do with backlinks, or any of the other million theories we come up with to explain why our site has bombed. Just saying, it's very hard to really get to the bottom of this stuff when everyone has a theory and then Google have their own story.

    Me, I am not finding my sites with unoriginal content dropping, but rather small, thinnish microniche affiliate-type sites (but with unique 400-500 word articles) - so I don't know who to believe! Wait and see, I guess...
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    • Profile picture of the author vij
      Originally Posted by markowe View Post

      OK, so if this is another Panda update, here is what the Cuttster CLAIMS (in the article someone quoted above):



      So if that were true (though I am not saying it is!) it has NOTHING to do with backlinks, or any of the other million theories we come up with to explain why our site has bombed. Just saying, it's very hard to really get to the bottom of this stuff when everyone has a theory and then Google have their own story.

      Me, I am not finding my sites with unoriginal content dropping, but rather small, thinnish microniche affiliate-type sites (but with unique 400-500 word articles) - so I don't know who to believe! Wait and see, I guess...
      For me 2 bigger sites are down or rather stayed down(since months) I should stay. But plenty of very unique 800-1200 words single page/2 page websites returned. These 1page/2 page sites are better targeted and informative then many of the bigger sites I have to say.
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      • Profile picture of the author Keep Trying
        Hey, any updates from you guys? Let's keep each other updated to help each other out through these tough Panda times.

        During this week, my website went from page #1, result #6 to page #2, result #12 to page #1, result #10 (yesterday) and to page #1, result #8 (today).

        It seems like it's slowly picking up...

        Has anyone had a similar or different experience lately?

        What would you recommend to do to help boost up search engine rankings in Google during these times?
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  • Profile picture of the author BXPS
    No sign of my website in any of the pages milkshakemakers.net

    Any useful tisp
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    • Profile picture of the author vij
      Everything has RESET again but for the worse taking with it some good websites just minutes back and in the end I am actually left with 1 short overall. It happened last time too. Is this a throw out and sweep strategy that causes many of us to be left with less and less each time. Also, the search results are pretty lame now in some of my niches.


      Amazing. This seems to be a cycle - same duration.

      EDIT: I had to make a new post below because the world has changed for me.
      Warning - This maybe short lived too.
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  • Profile picture of the author arie_ds
    Almost ALL my websites are gone too since last week. None of them have returned so far. Creepy..
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  • Profile picture of the author jethani
    I was also hit by the Google Panda update with a couple of my sites. My sites have been dancing for 5 days from 3 to 18 but dropped down big time yesterday.
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    • Profile picture of the author vij
      There is an overlap happening now. I think the results are beginning to look relevant and better now. Some sites that were buried for 4 months have come back.

      This is the best result(not just because mine came back) I have seen from google in the last 4 months.
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      • Profile picture of the author rinor81
        Nothing new here.

        Some of my sites that were for months on page 1 are gone, no where to be seen.

        Other site that was page 1 is dancing now between pages 5-7.

        Keeping building links and hopping for the best, doesn't look good for me so far.

        Started a thread guys, wondering if I should use the AMR tool as well as the

        BMR I'm using for a month now, what do you think? Will it help? Is it still useful

        with the current Panda update? Any results/experiences with it? Don't want

        to waste $100 for nothing.


        Will appreciate you kind help. Thank you!
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        • Profile picture of the author vij
          Originally Posted by rinor81 View Post

          Nothing new here.

          Some of my sites that were for months on page 1 are gone, no where to be seen.

          Other site that was page 1 is dancing now between pages 5-7.

          Keeping building links and hopping for the best, doesn't look good for me so far.

          Started a thread guys, wondering if I should use the AMR tool as well as the

          BMR I'm using for a month now, what do you think? Will it help? Is it still useful

          with the current Panda update? Any results/experiences with it? Don't want

          to waste $100 for nothing.


          Will appreciate you kind help. Thank you!
          Did you check just 10 min back. It became horrendous 30min back and is now looking very good this minute.
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          • Profile picture of the author rinor81
            Originally Posted by vij View Post

            Did you check just 10 min back. It became horrendous 30min back and is now looking very good this minute.
            Vij,

            You are absolutely right! Just checked and 2 of my niche sites are back to places #3 and #5 in Google.co.uk while a different site that was today #40 and #61 for 2 keywords is now down to places #48 and #68 in the US.

            Also another site that disappeared after was months on #2 in Google in now back there on #2.

            Still, I suspect it is again temporary....damn it!

            How long do we have to wait you think? Do they show again old results? Old servers?
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        • Profile picture of the author Lares
          Currently all of my websites are back. Even the ones who didn't return June 6th. But there is lots of jumping this morning. From 1st page to nowhere then again to 1st page..
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        • Profile picture of the author markowe
          Originally Posted by rinor81 View Post

          Nothing new here.


          Started a thread guys, wondering if I should use the AMR tool as well as the

          BMR I'm using for a month now, what do you think? Will it help? Is it still useful

          with the current Panda update? Any results/experiences with it? Don't want

          to waste $100 for nothing.


          Will appreciate you kind help. Thank you!
          I would just wait and see what the heck is going on - right now I think any SEO efforts are largely irrelevant until things settle down. I have been doing some QUALITY SEO lately on some important sites and they are not reacting at all (impossible, I assure you!), never mind AMR blasts and whatnot. On the other hand I have good content sites that are ticking over nicely and still gradually rising up the SERPS naturally, so I have NO idea what's going on, but I don't think any tool is going to help right now!
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  • Profile picture of the author markowe
    P.S. If I had to come up with one solid observation it seems that many of my sites are at the same ranking they were at pre-Panda 1.0 - I mean, they were not affected by the first Panda, but they HAD crept up gradually since then. One site had gone from 23 to 10 (naturally, gradually, no jumps) between the first Panda and these current changes, and is now back at 23. Another had crept from 18 to about 10, and is now back to 18. It's not true for ALL my sites, but if I had to come up with a crazy theory of my own it would be that rankings have somehow been rolled back, at least for some sites or some datacentres. I hope they roll FORWARD again soon
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    • Profile picture of the author vij
      Originally Posted by markowe View Post

      P.S. If I had to come up with one solid observation it seems that many of my sites are at the same ranking they were at pre-Panda 1.0 - I mean, they were not affected by the first Panda, but they HAD crept up gradually since then. One site had gone from 23 to 10 (naturally, gradually, no jumps) between the first Panda and these current changes, and is now back at 23. Another had crept from 18 to about 10, and is now back to 18. It's not true for ALL my sites, but if I had to come up with a crazy theory of my own it would be that rankings have somehow been rolled back, at least for some sites or some datacentres. I hope they roll FORWARD again soon
      Some of the sites which were hit during panda are back with even better ranking for me.
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  • Profile picture of the author markowe
    Hum, I guess like everything Google do there is an element of randomness to stop people reverse-engineering and figuring out what's going on. I guess it's wait and see...
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  • Profile picture of the author Fernando Veloso
    This is not an update, this is a mess. Pure and simple.

    Edit: Over here we still see tinny thin sites at top, many scrapper sites... it's overall a huge mess.

    New Edit: Just checked one site that disappeared, now out of top 50. What I find rather amusing is Google placing all these scrapper sites in Top 30 or 40: these guys rip the content from each others (hotels niche) and they rule that ****.

    It's insane. lol

    Goggle is so freaking losing it. Search, Youtube, they are going nuts.
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    • Profile picture of the author vij
      Originally Posted by Fernando Veloso View Post

      This is not an update, this is a mess. Pure and simple.

      Edit: Over here we still see tinny thin sites at top, many scrapper sites... it's overall a huge mess.

      New Edit: Just checked one site that disappeared, now out of top 50. What I find rather amusing is Google placing all these scrapper sites in Top 30 or 40: these guys rip the content from each others (hotels niche) and they rule that ****.

      It's insane. lol

      Goggle is so freaking losing it. Search, Youtube, they are going nuts.
      90 min back I would have concurred with you. But now I like the results I see on Google, not just for my keywords, but on the whole. Some keywords you mention might slot their way back soon. I do see a lot of dancing going for some keywords.

      I think they are close to getting it right this time.
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      • Profile picture of the author rinor81
        Originally Posted by vij View Post

        90 min back I would have concurred with you. But now I like the results I see on Google, not just for my keywords, but on the whole. Some keywords you mention might slot their way back soon. I do see a lot of dancing going for some keywords.

        I think they are close to getting it right this time.
        I'm not so sure about that but I really hope so. It's great seeing my niche sites on page 1 of Google but I'm afraid it will get the stores and authority sites there back soon instead of my sites...plus...I am an affiliate and Google hates us now
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        • Profile picture of the author vij
          Originally Posted by rinor81 View Post

          I'm not so sure about that but I really hope so. It's great seeing my niche sites on page 1 of Google but I'm afraid it will get the stores and authority sites there back soon instead of my sites...plus...I am an affiliate and Google hates us now
          I don't know if it will last too. But it could hold for the next 48hrs or more if we are lucky.

          Also, did you site replace authority sites? do you feel you don't deserve to be where u r? Where r those authority sites now?

          I firmly believe I am now where I rightly should be. I don't think I have replaced the authority sites in my niche. I got ahead of some crappy sites and some similar sites as me. The real biggies are still above me. I am back to top 3 in niches with low competition where no authority holds stage anyway. Everything looks good now.
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          • Profile picture of the author rinor81
            Originally Posted by vij View Post

            I don't know if it will last too. But it could hold for the next 48hrs or more if we are lucky.

            Also, did you site replace authority sites? do you feel you don't deserve to be where u r? Where r those authority sites now?

            I firmly believe I am now where I rightly should be. I don't think I have replaced the authority sites in my niche. I got ahead of some crappy sites and some similar sites as me. The real biggies are still above me. I am back to top 3 in niches with low competition where no authority holds stage anyway. Everything looks good now.
            I feel it won't last for long and that's a shame, hope I'm wrong.

            Say in one site of mine I am #3 in Google UK.

            #1 and #2 is the Amazon.co.uk and then there's me at #3.

            When I was gone, all the first page was sites like: amazon, engadget, cnet and so on...and I was nowhere to be found or seen at all.

            I am a niche site, an affiliate site....you really think I won't be replaced and vanished again? I believe you get my drift...
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            • Profile picture of the author vij
              Originally Posted by rinor81 View Post

              I feel it won't last for long and that's a shame, hope I'm wrong.

              Say in one site of mine I am #3 in Google UK.

              #1 and #2 is the Amazon.co.uk and then there's me at #3.

              When I was gone, all the first page was sites like: amazon, engadget, cnet and so on...and I was nowhere to be found or seen at all.

              I am a niche site, an affiliate site....you really think I won't be replaced and vanished again? I believe you get my drift...
              Hey, engadget and cnet are right with you. And you are along with them because you are well targeted with an exact match domain. You have a small site but its decent man. don't sell yourself short. But yeah, pray you stay there.

              P.S I wouldnt put my niche affiliate sites on my signature on warriorforum :p
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              • Profile picture of the author rinor81
                Originally Posted by vij View Post

                Hey, engadget and cnet are right with you. And you are along with them because you are well targeted with an exact match domain. You have a small site but its decent man. don't sell yourself short. But yeah, pray you stay there.

                P.S I wouldnt put my niche affiliate sites on my signature on warriorforum :p
                Hey, I knew you were smart enough to know what I'm talking about...

                Still, the site vanished before and I'm afraid it will too again because as it is back now with another niche site on page 1, when it was gone the other one was gone too....

                So I'm actually seeing the results the way Google first started to change June 6 or 7, that is why I am afraid and pretty sure it's only temporary. No way engadet and cnet will be behind me in the eyes of Google....
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                • Profile picture of the author vij
                  Originally Posted by rinor81 View Post

                  Hey, I knew you were smart enough to know what I'm talking about...

                  Still, the site vanished before and I'm afraid it will too again because as it is back now with another niche site on page 1, when it was gone the other one was gone too....

                  So I'm actually seeing the results the way Google first started to change June 6 or 7, that is why I am afraid and pretty sure it's only temporary. No way engadet and cnet will be behind me in the eyes of Google....
                  I agree with you.

                  Just like a doctor says - "If the patient survives the next 72 hours then there is a good chance of him returning to good health.
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                  • Profile picture of the author rinor81
                    Originally Posted by vij View Post

                    I agree with you.

                    Just like a doctor says - "If the patient survives the next 72 hours then there is a good chance of him returning to good health.
                    So what are you saying man? If the sites stay on Google for 3 days there's a chance these are the new rankings? Don't know man, I wish....
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                    • Profile picture of the author vij
                      Originally Posted by rinor81 View Post

                      So what are you saying man? If the sites stay on Google for 3 days there's a chance these are the new rankings? Don't know man, I wish....
                      Yes, thats my opinion. If your keyword stays around 3-4 days then its chance are reasonable. Over a week then its good.

                      Just speculation, what do I know
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                    • Profile picture of the author yoshi74
                      Two thoughts I have on this.

                      Firstly, if Google have made a rollback due to an error, break in the algorithm, whatever, then this suggests to me that they would go away, fix it and come back with a new update sometime soon.

                      There is also a huge knock on effect going on here though which has hit many of the rankings of some of the big places that most affiliates goto for traffic - Ezine, Ehow, Hubpages etc.

                      So for many affiliate marketers they have to expect a lower drop in value as even some of the so called 'quality' links they could easily build have been devalued. Of course the question is whether they will remain devalued.

                      I know of one site that has been broadly stable through this but has a keyword that has dropped down 4-5 places - but then its main set of links were coming from Hubpages, who have been hit badly by these updates, so the quality of the inbound links dropping will force a natural reduction of the SERPS to the pages it linked to.

                      I don't know what the answer is but this is what I'm doing (and in this order) -

                      - Improving my sites. My number one is to increase the quality of the sites I look after. Increased content, better content, better usability etc.(oh and finish all the odd jobs that needed doing!)
                      - Gaining diversity. Adding new methods, directories, different web 2.0 properties, different types of links etc
                      - Still moderately building links through the usual channels but aiming to increase the quality (eg. longer articles, spun more for unique content).

                      I'm not saying this is the right course of action, but I think it would look bad to stop linking altogether the and sites will look better for it once we know the true outcome of these updates.
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                      • Profile picture of the author vij
                        Originally Posted by yoshi74 View Post

                        Two thoughts I have on this.

                        Firstly, if Google have made a rollback due to an error, break in the algorithm, whatever, then this suggests to me that they would go away, fix it and come back with a new update sometime soon.

                        There is also a huge knock on effect going on here though which has hit many of the rankings of some of the big places that most affiliates goto for traffic - Ezine, Ehow, Hubpages etc.

                        So for many affiliate marketers they have to expect a lower drop in value as even some of the so called 'quality' links they could easily build have been devalued. Of course the question is whether they will remain devalued.

                        I know of one site that has been broadly stable through this but has a keyword that has dropped down 4-5 places - but then its main set of links were coming from Hubpages, who have been hit badly by these updates, so the quality of the inbound links dropping will force a natural reduction of the SERPS to the pages it linked to.

                        I don't know what the answer is but this is what I'm doing (and in this order) -

                        - Improving my sites. My number one is to increase the quality of the sites I look after. Increased content, better content, better usability etc.(oh and finish all the odd jobs that needed doing!)
                        - Gaining diversity. Adding new methods, directories, different web 2.0 properties, different types of links etc
                        - Still moderately building links through the usual channels but aiming to increase the quality (eg. longer articles, spun more for unique content).

                        I'm not saying this is the right course of action, but I think it would look bad to stop linking altogether the and sites will look better for it once we know the true outcome of these updates.
                        Yes, the last 2 weeks have been rollback and reset week. But the latest update got me hopeful because an old site(my best one) returned after almost 4 months of ranking around 280. It never budged even in the last 2 weeks but its sudden return few hours back has got me hopeful. But there are signs of a rollback I have to accept, although some of the ranks I have now are better than I had pre-panda. Btw, I have also lost a few ranks today(that ranked yesterday).
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              • Profile picture of the author rinor81
                Originally Posted by peterjamesmorris View Post

                Yes, they are nice sites - don't make it easy for anyone steal your ideas!
                Thank you for the compliments as well...you two are real nice you know that?

                Still, I am afraid Google enjoys the big guns on first page but why throw my sites out of search entirely? And I still use BMR to build my links and social bookmarking sites....thinking of AMR too now...still, who knows if they are to be vanished again if they'll appear again...
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  • Profile picture of the author danhoff
    Ya guys still see some massive movements in google ?
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  • Profile picture of the author razorhound
    Yeah its chaos, bouncing around like crazy. 1 site gone from page 1 another rose to page 1, the rest are just dancing.
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  • Profile picture of the author FrFai
    My site went on 6th June came back today.

    Before 6th June.
    KW1=#6
    KW2=#1

    On 6th June.
    KW1=#500+
    KW2=#12

    Today it came back on the same positions.

    I think they messed up with the system and now restoring the rankings...:rolleyes:
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  • Profile picture of the author forzaf1
    I had a site that got nailed with a -50 penalty, cleaned it up and tried re-inclusion process and still denied. SERP on domain name was showing in the 60-70 range. This morning its slowly climbing again in the 30's now.

    This site over a month ago was attracting over 10K visitors a day from Google then over the course of a couple days Google traffic eventually dropped off to 1 visitor / day.
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  • Profile picture of the author WebSmith
    Authority sites are the one to stay for any google update.
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  • Profile picture of the author BarryOnline
    There’s definitely something going on with Google UK just now.

    Here’s a couple of interesting threads about it at webmaster word.

    Google Updates and SERP Changes - June 2011 Google SEO News and Discussion forum at WebmasterWorld

    Change in UK rankings - buried sites back to page 1 Google SEO News and Discussion forum at WebmasterWorld

    Mostly people are reporting massive drops or increases in their rankings but not with my sites. I’m experiencing something completely different.

    I have 9 website & I have not seen any change in rankings, not even one position for over a week

    For one of my sites I created 17 contextual, PR4+ back links over a week ago & some other quality link building but I have not seen any movement, not one single change in position in over a week.

    Not just with this site but I’ve been building lots of different links across most of my sites & not one of them has moved. It’s like the links are having no effect or the SERPs are frozen, very strangle.
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    • Profile picture of the author vij
      Originally Posted by BarryOnline View Post

      There’s definitely something going on with Google UK just now.

      Here’s a couple of interesting threads about it at webmaster word.

      Google Updates and SERP Changes - June 2011 Google SEO News and Discussion forum at WebmasterWorld

      Change in UK rankings - buried sites back to page 1 Google SEO News and Discussion forum at WebmasterWorld

      Mostly people are reporting massive drops or increases in their rankings but not with my sites. I’m experiencing something completely different.

      I have 9 website & I have not seen any change in rankings, not even one position for over a week

      For one of my sites I created 17 contextual, PR4+ back links over a week ago & some other quality link building but I have not seen any movement, not one single change in position in over a week.

      Not just with this site but I’ve been building lots of different links across most of my sites & not one of them has moved. It’s like the links are having no effect or the SERPs are frozen, very strangle.
      Google UK? Yes, I felt it too, but now its stabilizing more or less, atleast for me.

      Now is not the time for linkbuilding or atleast not the time to see the effects IMO.
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    • Profile picture of the author markowe
      Originally Posted by BarryOnline View Post

      Not just with this site but I've been building lots of different links across most of my sites & not one of them has moved. It's like the links are having no effect or the SERPs are frozen, very strangle.
      Very strangle indeed Sorry, I do a lot of proofreading in my "real" job - can't help myself sometimes!

      But I am seeing the same - my usual SEO efforts for new keywords (both in the UK and US SERPS) don't seem to be having any effect, whereas I could pretty much predict what would happen usually. I doubt it's those kinds of links becoming ineffective in some way though, seems more like the rankings are frozen like you say. Still got to wait and see I suppose...
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      • Profile picture of the author MegaC
        I'm not sure how I feel about this, but this might answer some of the questions about the Panda update so far. Watch the video and follow the transcript. It talks about Russia's search engine, Yandex, and how Google will "inevitably" go in the direction of Yandex's "machine learning" algorithm.

        Google and Yandex
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      • Profile picture of the author BarryOnline
        Originally Posted by markowe View Post

        Very strangle indeed Sorry, I do a lot of proofreading in my "real" job - can't help myself sometimes!

        But I am seeing the same - my usual SEO efforts for new keywords (both in the UK and US SERPS) don't seem to be having any effect, whereas I could pretty much predict what would happen usually. I doubt it's those kinds of links becoming ineffective in some way though, seems more like the rankings are frozen like you say. Still got to wait and see I suppose...
        Funny typo!

        It's a little worrying though with so many people experiancing massive drops but our sites are just frozen, makes you think... Am I next?

        I've created lots of links across several sites with no effect. I'm also wondering when this change has passed will I get credited for all those links at once & see a jump in rankings?

        Who knows what's going on with Google just now, just need to let the dust settle & see where my sites are sitting.

        How much longer do we need to wait though?
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      • Profile picture of the author IM Ash
        Originally Posted by markowe View Post

        Very strangle indeed Sorry, I do a lot of proofreading in my "real" job - can't help myself sometimes!

        But I am seeing the same - my usual SEO efforts for new keywords (both in the UK and US SERPS) don't seem to be having any effect, whereas I could pretty much predict what would happen usually. I doubt it's those kinds of links becoming ineffective in some way though, seems more like the rankings are frozen like you say. Still got to wait and see I suppose...
        Same with me.... I'm building some powerful home page links with high PR as well as blog comments with low OBL but my sites are just STUCK.... wtf! I just launched a new site as well... indexed but not ranked after 10days... G is up to something and I think it is going to be a complete game changer.

        All these changes seem to be something along the lines of G testing the waters. If this is the effect... who knows what is going to happen post Panda 2.2... I LOVE THIS GAME!!!
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  • Profile picture of the author Jesskeane
    Yeah...a bunch of my sites have taken a panda hit!
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  • Profile picture of the author kimseo
    One of my site bounce back but i am still worried
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    • Profile picture of the author Ken Durham
      Originally Posted by kimseo View Post

      One of my site bounce back but i am still worried
      Hey kim, you might want to have a read:
      British student faces extradition to us over copyright infringement- The Inquirer
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      yes, I am....

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      • Profile picture of the author rinor81
        So far all good...sites are still on page 1 of Google and I even sold a product because of that yesterday...

        How about you guys? Seen any changes or shifts with your sites positions?

        Take care all!
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        • Profile picture of the author vij
          Originally Posted by rinor81 View Post

          So far all good...sites are still on page 1 of Google and I even sold a product because of that yesterday...

          How about you guys? Seen any changes or shifts with your sites positions?

          Take care all!
          All ok. But some of the keywords I am doing SEO for seem stuck.
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          • Profile picture of the author rinor81
            Originally Posted by vij View Post

            All ok. But some of the keywords I am doing SEO for seem stuck.
            I know, same here...worked my ass off with BMR and didn't see results to the sites...thinking maybe to cool it off now until Google finishes its update, what do you think?
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            • Profile picture of the author vij
              Originally Posted by rinor81 View Post

              I know, same here...worked my ass off with BMR and didn't see results to the sites...thinking maybe to cool it off now until Google finishes its update, what do you think?
              Agree! First let this thing play itself out. Then its time to evaluate causalities and start.


              Its not always about search numbers. Maybe Miker is in some high cpc niches like mortgage or something.
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              • Profile picture of the author miker501
                not in mortgage or credit, I dabbble in health and home improvements. Health pays me the best, $1 a click or more for some pages. I think quality content in massive numbers is the key, but seeing whole swathes of pages being knocked is scary.
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        • Profile picture of the author miker501
          I've been hit hard yesterday, over all my sites virtually. There are just a couple of the 25 or so sites that have seen increases in rankings. Earnings hit by 60% or so.

          Funny thing is, all my content is unique, at least 500 words, monetised with adsense and or Amazon products.

          I target a lot of longtail words and this seems to have been hit badly. Until Monday I won't really know the impact because weekends, Saturdays in particular, are my low days.

          It' a real shock, I've never been hit before throughout all the Panda stuff and Mayday updates last year.

          No word on WMT of any penalties. I hope it is a temp thing. The new sites in the top 10 seem far thinner with more PR0 or n/a sites showing up, with no or few backlinks. Also spotted more of the Overstock style sites in the top 10 for keywrds that I have investigated.

          This is my only income, and it was going quite well, avaraging around $120-150 per day on Adsense, with Amazon making approx $700 pm.

          Trying to chill out, need to diversify more!!

          Anyone else notice sudden drops across a lot of pages on 17 June??
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          • Profile picture of the author vij
            Originally Posted by miker501 View Post

            I've been hit hard yesterday, over all my sites virtually. There are just a couple of the 25 or so sites that have seen increases in rankings. Earnings hit by 60% or so.

            Funny thing is, all my content is unique, at least 500 words, monetised with adsense and or Amazon products.

            I target a lot of longtail words and this seems to have been hit badly. Until Monday I won't really know the impact because weekends, Saturdays in particular, are my low days.

            It' a real shock, I've never been hit before throughout all the Panda stuff and Mayday updates last year.

            No word on WMT of any penalties. I hope it is a temp thing. The new sites in the top 10 seem far thinner with more PR0 or n/a sites showing up, with no or few backlinks. Also spotted more of the Overstock style sites in the top 10 for keywrds that I have investigated.

            This is my only income, and it was going quite well, avaraging around $120-150 per day on Adsense, with Amazon making approx $700 pm.

            Trying to chill out, need to diversify more!!

            Anyone else notice sudden drops across a lot of pages on 17 June??
            For many of us things got a lot worse on 17 but pulled back up to reach even better results an hour later(after the debacle hour on 17th).
            The general consensus is that the results are closer to pre panda or just post panda 1.0, but your results are not like any of those times too? Interesting.
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            • Profile picture of the author miker501
              I certainly say some pages drop in rankings around 27 April, but not enough to have dramatic effect on income, other pages rose, but things have been a little stagnant this year.

              All last year I increased income every single month, up until Feb 2011 when things dropped a little. March and April improved back to JAnuary levels, and I was seeing improvements in income this month.

              No idea what is going on????????????


              Originally Posted by vij View Post

              For many of us things got a lot worse on 17 but pulled back up to reach even better results an hour later(after the debacle hour on 17th).
              The general consensus is that the results are closer to pre panda or just post panda 1.0, but your results are not like any of those times too? Interesting.
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          • Profile picture of the author rinor81
            Originally Posted by miker501 View Post

            I've been hit hard yesterday, over all my sites virtually. There are just a couple of the 25 or so sites that have seen increases in rankings. Earnings hit by 60% or so.

            Funny thing is, all my content is unique, at least 500 words, monetised with adsense and or Amazon products.

            I target a lot of longtail words and this seems to have been hit badly. Until Monday I won't really know the impact because weekends, Saturdays in particular, are my low days.

            It' a real shock, I've never been hit before throughout all the Panda stuff and Mayday updates last year.

            No word on WMT of any penalties. I hope it is a temp thing. The new sites in the top 10 seem far thinner with more PR0 or n/a sites showing up, with no or few backlinks. Also spotted more of the Overstock style sites in the top 10 for keywrds that I have investigated.

            This is my only income, and it was going quite well, avaraging around $120-150 per day on Adsense, with Amazon making approx $700 pm.

            Trying to chill out, need to diversify more!!

            Anyone else notice sudden drops across a lot of pages on 17 June??

            I'm afraid (for me) that these are temporary results but I hope they stay because my sites are on page 1 -

            But I wish luck to everyone.

            About your states, these are great numbers, I wish I was there with $120 per day for Adsense and this is my next target I think after affiliate sites - making Adsense sites and earning money....

            May I ask if you do this from 25 sites? More? Less? And what is the exact search numbers for your specific sites?

            You don't need to tell us the niche, just the approx. number of exact searches you're targeting if that OK with you.

            Thank you!
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            • Profile picture of the author miker501
              I do this from 25 sites, with 4 providing the bulk of the income. Some of the best sites have 50-100 pages though.

              I have some sites that get thousands of EM searches pm, others which only get 1600 or so for the main page, and I target a range of keywords, some that only get a couple of hundred searches pm.

              That said, it looks like it's all being ripped out from under me at the moment. My worry is the fact that it is nearly all my sites, not just he odd one. 3 page sites, 10 page sites and 100 page sites all hit.
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              • Profile picture of the author rinor81
                Originally Posted by miker501 View Post

                I do this from 25 sites, with 4 providing the bulk of the income. Some of the best sites have 50-100 pages though.

                I have some sites that get thousands of EM searches pm, others which only get 1600 or so for the main page, and I target a range of keywords, some that only get a couple of hundred searches pm.

                That said, it looks like it's all being ripped out from under me at the moment. My worry is the fact that it is nearly all my sites, not just he odd one. 3 page sites, 10 page sites and 100 page sites all hit.
                Thank you for the info man, I appreciate it a lot and wish you best of luck!

                I really think of getting Adsense sites later, making money from that.
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                • Profile picture of the author miker501
                  thanks, nice clean looking sites in your sig btw, are you doing well from them?
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                  • Profile picture of the author rinor81
                    Originally Posted by miker501 View Post

                    thanks, nice clean looking sites in your sig btw, are you doing well from them?
                    Thank you for the compliments my friend, I was afraid that sites don't look that good and I think of changing their graphics (at least to 2 of them).

                    That's the thing, I do money from them when they are on page 1 of Google but still not enough. When they disappear from Google and I don't know why, I don't see a dime because I don't get traffic.

                    Any ideas for traffic other than Google? Don't get too many from article directories, Facebook or so on...
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  • Profile picture of the author roady
    was above #200 for many keywords for a month or so. Suddenly came back to page 1, much higher than what I was back then. Lets see how long it stays.
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  • Profile picture of the author chippo
    Has anyone experienced their sites deindexed from google, or just lost rankings?

    I have about 25 sites, and most of them (15-20) do not appear any more when I search site:domain.com. All this happened at once, this afternoon. They are all small niche, amazon products review sites like nikoncoolpixl120.org.

    Pls help... still hoping its just temporary...
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    • Profile picture of the author vij
      Originally Posted by chippo View Post

      Has anyone experienced their sites deindexed from google, or just lost rankings?

      I have about 25 sites, and most of them (15-20) do not appear any more when I search site:domain.com. All this happened at once, this afternoon. They are all small niche, amazon products review sites like nikoncoolpixl120.org.

      Pls help... still hoping its just temporary...
      Uh oh. The site seems to contain scraped content. Seems like panda 2.2 is taking effect. That's the update Matt Cutts suggested will take the scraper sites to the cleaners. You are an easy target as your sites are "scraping + amazon" which is the worst combo. With popular amazon products it becomes doubly important to have unique content and personal case studies/opinions. Google can easily pick those product keywords and the descriptions I suppose. Sorry mate.
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      • Profile picture of the author chippo
        Originally Posted by vij View Post

        Uh oh. The site seems to contain scraped content. Seems like panda 2.2 is taking effect. That's the update Matt Cutts suggested will take the scraper sites to the cleaners. You are an easy target as your sites are "scraping + amazon" which is the worst combo. With popular amazon products it becomes doubly important to have unique content and personal case studies/opinions. Google can easily pick those product keywords and the descriptions I suppose. Sorry mate.
        Uf thanks for the answer... What's the solution in this case? Rewrite the site and submit for reconsideration?
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  • Profile picture of the author coronaborcalis
    Hi Guys

    After sending Google reconsideration letter 3 days ago and finally today my site get position like it used to be. Passive income stream seems comes to Papa again I don't want too happy now but I hope that was the last time my site get lost from SERP

    Here is the link if you want to send letter to google to reconsider your site from no where position to the place that your site should be

    https://www.google.com/webmasters/tools/reconsideration
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    • Profile picture of the author FrFai
      Originally Posted by coronaborcalis View Post

      Hi Guys

      After sending Google reconsideration letter 3 days ago and finally today my site get position like it used to be. Passive income stream seems comes to Papa again I don't want too happy now but I hope that was the last time my site get lost from SERP

      Here is the link if you want to send letter to google to reconsider your site from no where position to the place that your site should be

      https://www.google.com/webmasters/tools/reconsideration
      Congratulation mate, I got my rankings too. I didn't send a letter to them, just got a HQ PR5 backlink. In your case I don't think it's back because of the letter and in my it's not because of the HQ backlink.

      I think google messed it up on 6th and now it's settling.
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  • Profile picture of the author E. Corbo
    I don't understand this.

    I've been hit very hard by panda in April. Now suddenly all my old rankings are back but ONLY in google.de and google.co.uk (checking with a German IP).

    I am still buried in google.com.

    My site is completely in English but the server is located in Germany.

    Why am I not back for google.com?
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  • Profile picture of the author markowe
    Hmm, update, at least one of my sites is back in its post-Panda 1.0 page #1 position - a mininiche Adsense/Clickbank affair, not my proudest moment I have to say! I hope my other, more quality sites follow suit - they SEEM to be, but things are definitely varying across the different data centres...
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    • Profile picture of the author rinor81
      Good morning all,

      It's Saturday here already and I still rank on page 1 for all the sites that disappeared and now returned...

      Let's see how long it will last....
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    • Profile picture of the author vij
      Originally Posted by rinor81 View Post

      Good morning all,

      It's Saturday here already and I still rank on page 1 for all the sites that disappeared and now returned...

      Let's see how long it will last....
      Same here!

      Originally Posted by markowe View Post

      Hmm, update, at least one of my sites is back in its post-Panda 1.0 page #1 position - a mininiche Adsense/Clickbank affair, not my proudest moment I have to say! I hope my other, more quality sites follow suit - they SEEM to be, but things are definitely varying across the different data centres...
      1. Good to know. Infact I think most of us whose sites returned 20hrs back had it returned to around post panda 1.0 position(the very first panda months back), except that some sites now have better ranks even. Maybe your's is falling in line now.

      2. Scroll up, there is a guy who had about 20 scraper websites deindexed the same time yesterday's big change happened. Could this change be a part of Panda 2.2.
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      • Profile picture of the author rinor81
        Originally Posted by vij View Post

        Same here!


        1. Good to know. Infact I think most of us whose sites returned 20hrs back had it returned to around post panda 1.0 position(the very first panda months back), except that some sites now have better ranks even. Maybe your's is falling in line now.

        2. Scroll up, there is a guy who had about 20 scraper websites deindexed the same time yesterday's big change happened. Could this change be a part of Panda 2.2.
        I think we're seeing results pre-panda now so I'm afraid all our returned sites will disappear again - as of this morning my niche sites are still on page 1.

        Saw the video about Yendex, oh my god!!! If this is the direction Google is taking about SEO we're screwed! How are we supposed to know how to rank?

        Yes, great quality, links, blah blah, I know all the regular stuff but that won't be enough and you know it...scary to think that you're supposed to predict what a human will want to see, anyone thinks differently so who's to say?

        Bad times, starting to be too hard these days....ideas?
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        • Profile picture of the author vij
          Originally Posted by rinor81 View Post

          I think we're seeing results pre-panda now so I'm afraid all our returned sites will disappear again - as of this morning my niche sites are still on page 1.

          Saw the video about Yendex, oh my god!!! If this is the direction Google is taking about SEO we're screwed! How are we supposed to know how to rank?

          Yes, great quality, links, blah blah, I know all the regular stuff but that won't be enough and you know it...scary to think that you're supposed to predict what a human will want to see, anyone thinks differently so who's to say?

          Bad times, starting to be too hard these days....ideas?
          I am seeing post panda 1.0(the first panda) since the big change for a number of sites. A few look like pre panda but with better ranks. This is why I called it a overlap in my OP update.
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          • Profile picture of the author rinor81
            Originally Posted by vij View Post

            I am seeing post panda 1.0(the first panda) since the big change for a number of sites. A few look like pre panda but with better ranks. This is why I called it a overlap in my OP update.
            Still...think these are temporary results and I hope I'm wrong.

            Any ideas about the video? Trying to predict the new SEO work? Scary stuff for us SEO people....
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            • Profile picture of the author vij
              Originally Posted by rinor81 View Post

              Still...think these are temporary results and I hope I'm wrong.

              Any ideas about the video? Trying to predict the new SEO work? Scary stuff for us SEO people....
              Yes ofcourse, the past 2 weeks have been so unpredictable and its natural to feel that way. Enjoy it while it lasts.

              The Yandex guy is talking about how they judge quality. But given equal quality etc then the backlinks might matter. It could get difficult but not impossible for us. Also I wonder how their search quality is.

              Edit:
              Is this it http://yandex.com
              Their results suck, atleast for English. lol.
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        • Profile picture of the author dp40oz
          Originally Posted by rinor81 View Post

          I think we're seeing results pre-panda now so I'm afraid all our returned sites will disappear again - as of this morning my niche sites are still on page 1.

          Saw the video about Yendex, oh my god!!! If this is the direction Google is taking about SEO we're screwed! How are we supposed to know how to rank?

          Yes, great quality, links, blah blah, I know all the regular stuff but that won't be enough and you know it...scary to think that you're supposed to predict what a human will want to see, anyone thinks differently so who's to say?

          Bad times, starting to be too hard these days....ideas?
          Google won the market because of their idea to rank pages through links. Now they may tweak that formula a bit but to completely change the whole idea that is Google would be putting their entire business on the line for no real reason. Why? Because some search engine in Russia is beating them out? Like the guy said the main reason its beating them is because the way it can read the Russian language. I wouldn't expect Google to completely change the way it ranks pages, itd be like McDonalds changing the way it makes burgers because some fast food place in Russia sold more burgers then them this year in Moscow.
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  • Profile picture of the author Mike Hlatky
    That's weird that your sites have popped back up yesterday.

    Mine have done the exact opposite - disappeared!
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    • Profile picture of the author vij
      Originally Posted by Mike Hlatky View Post

      That's weird that your sites have popped back up yesterday.

      Mine have done the exact opposite - disappeared!
      Its actually a mix for me. But I gained more lost less.
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  • Profile picture of the author Chucky
    I'm also seeing some results 'similar' to prePanda era! The #1 was pushed to page 5 and an Ezine Article that was around #6 is up. I'm seeing some really crappy results on the 1st couple of pages.

    The crappiest of them all is a wordpress.com subdomain of mine which I've been backlinking as a 2nd tier web 2.0 property.

    God knows what Google is doing!

    But all the other niches that I'm in with Amazon like products, I don't see this. I wonder if this shuffling is ONLY in hypercompetitive niches where the 1st page results shuffle anyway. I'm talking about kw with like 50,000+ searches a month!

    What about others? Are the sites that you're seeing these effects in hypercompetitive niches essentially?

    Thanks!
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    • Profile picture of the author vij
      Originally Posted by Chucky View Post

      I'm also seeing some results 'similar' to prePanda era! The #1 was pushed to page 5 and an Ezine Article that was around #6 is up. I'm seeing some really crappy results on the 1st couple of pages.

      The crappiest of them all is a wordpress.com subdomain of mine which I've been backlinking as a 2nd tier web 2.0 property.

      God knows what Google is doing!

      But all the other niches that I'm in with Amazon like products, I don't see this. I wonder if this shuffling is ONLY in hypercompetitive niches where the 1st page results shuffle anyway. I'm talking about kw with like 50,000+ searches a month!

      What about others? Are the sites that you're seeing these effects in hypercompetitive niches essentially?

      Thanks!
      Chucky
      I don't know how to answer this but I like the results I am seeing now. I may be biased because some of my better websites are doing well.
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  • Profile picture of the author Dally180
    Knowing Google they probably just want to annoy everybody...
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    • Profile picture of the author rinor81
      Anything new guys? Or is the Google algorithm and team rests on Sunday?
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      • Profile picture of the author vij
        Originally Posted by rinor81 View Post

        Anything new guys? Or is the Google algorithm and team rests on Sunday?
        I would have believed that its settling if many of the positions were NOT so stuck and static. Even the indexing is not as quick as before I guess. Its too quiet, as if a storm is brewing. Peace peace G. Please.
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  • Profile picture of the author markowe
    Hmm, my sites mostly seem to be back, including my very important offline business .

    But some of the rankings still seem to be pre-Panda 1.0... weird...
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    • Profile picture of the author vij
      Originally Posted by markowe View Post

      Hmm, my sites mostly seem to be back, including my very important offline business .

      But some of the rankings still seem to be pre-Panda 1.0... weird...
      Congrats. I hope its a win-win overlap. Lets see.
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    • Profile picture of the author rinor81
      If you're saying it's pre-panda 1.0 you're seeing than I'm afraid they are processing panda 2.2 now and that I will not see my sites again soon....question is we should still do SEO work now or wait until everything calms down and finally finishes.
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      • Profile picture of the author vij
        Originally Posted by rinor81 View Post

        If you're saying it's pre-panda 1.0 you're seeing than I'm afraid they are processing panda 2.2 now and that I will not see my sites again soon....question is we should still do SEO work now or wait until everything calms down and finally finishes.
        You paranoia is rubbing of on me too now
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        • Profile picture of the author rinor81
          Originally Posted by vij View Post

          You paranoia is rubbing of on me too now
          Well, you don't have to take my words for it...it's just a hunch because of previous results....
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          • Profile picture of the author vij
            Well, the longer indexing times I mentioned is gone for sure. I had 2 new domains indexed in couple of hours.
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  • Profile picture of the author rauff
    some google panda dance is going on need to check the reports daily
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  • Profile picture of the author veenafurtado
    All eyes on what the almighty G is gonna do next.
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  • Profile picture of the author TaYou
    Certainly G is trying to do a better job.
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  • Profile picture of the author Jake Gray
    I have definitely had a major decrease in traffic, but all of my
    rankings have stayed the same. It's weird for sure - I'm waiting
    to see what they throw at us next.
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  • Profile picture of the author Amenda Jessera
    Hey mates, have you all noticed that PR changes too occurred may be due to this, Have you all noticed that PR of warrior forum had gone to 5, Goarticles to 3, Faves to 6 from 7 and etc,
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    • Profile picture of the author rinor81
      Originally Posted by Amenda Jessera View Post

      Hey mates, have you all noticed that PR changes too occurred may be due to this, Have you all noticed that PR of warrior forum had gone to 5, Goarticles to 3, Faves to 6 from 7 and etc,
      Just checked my sites and all stayed with the same PR...traffic spiked to the sites that were back on page 1 but let's see how long they'll stay there.

      Let's keep each other posted...
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      • Profile picture of the author vij
        Originally Posted by rinor81 View Post

        Just checked my sites and all stayed with the same PR...traffic spiked to the sites that were back on page 1 but let's see how long they'll stay there.

        Let's keep each other posted...
        Ditto here.
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        • Profile picture of the author vij
          Something going on now. A domain that was sent to the netherworld 5 months back has returned. I lost position on 1 domain. A couple of rank ups on 2 domains. Overall I am ok....as of now... but I see some of my competitors shuffling around.

          Interestingly the domain I just lost rank for is placed 5 times in the serps in the following positions.
          337, 433, 533, 629, 733
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          • Profile picture of the author rinor81
            Originally Posted by vij View Post

            Something going on now. A domain that was sent to the netherworld 5 months back has returned. I lost position on 1 domain. A couple of rank ups on 2 domains. Overall I am ok....as of now... but I see some of my competitors shuffling around.

            Interestingly the domain I just lost rank for is placed 5 times in the serps in the following positions.
            337, 433, 533, 629, 733
            How do you find them? Do you just go page after page on Google until you find them on page 40-80?
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            • Profile picture of the author vij
              Originally Posted by rinor81 View Post

              How do you find them? Do you just go page after page on Google until you find them on page 40-80?
              What, noooo :p
              Page rank Checker: top 1000 Page Ranking: Search Engine Results Pages | SERPs Position Checker
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              • Profile picture of the author Lares
                Does doing SEO on those domain, that were penalized, already work or they are still unmovable?
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                • Profile picture of the author rinor81
                  Originally Posted by Lares View Post

                  Does doing SEO on those domain, that were penalized, already work or they are still unmovable?
                  My sites that were back up are not back because of the SEO work I did I'm sure of that but because of the craziness of Google this time...

                  I'm not doing SEO work at the moment since it feels everything is frozen at the moment and nothing works, I prefer to see which direction Google is taking and see where it ends up and then I'll continue the SEO work I guess.
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                  • Profile picture of the author Eyetrap
                    I had about 5 sites bounce back huge on June 17th. Most of their charts look like this one.
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  • Profile picture of the author MarleyMoff
    hi every one, has anyone had any of their youtube videos decrease in the serps? I have, im in google.co.uk
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    • Profile picture of the author rinor81
      Originally Posted by MarleyMoff View Post

      hi every one, has anyone had any of their youtube videos decrease in the serps? I have, im in google.co.uk
      Still same positions in Google.co.uk but sites, not youtube videos...
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      • Profile picture of the author rinor81
        Morning,

        Do you see shifts in the places of your sites?

        Just checked my sites and I see shifts, most sites are down a bit, one site stayed on position 3 on Google.co.uk

        What pisses me off is I have my site with 2 keywords I promote to it, it was on place 10 on Google US then dropped to place 62, then up to 45 and now again on place 62...

        I don't promote it for a few days, I don't know what to do next - thinking of waiting until this whole thing is over because I see even as I promote the keywords, Google moves it up then down again and it's not stable these days.

        Ideas? Should we promote now or wait until Google decides what it wants?
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        • Profile picture of the author vij
          Originally Posted by rinor81 View Post

          Morning,

          Do you see shifts in the places of your sites?

          Just checked my sites and I see shifts, most sites are down a bit, one site stayed on position 3 on Google.co.uk

          What pisses me off is I have my site with 2 keywords I promote to it, it was on place 10 on Google US then dropped to place 62, then up to 45 and now again on place 62...

          I don't promote it for a few days, I don't know what to do next - thinking of waiting until this whole thing is over because I see even as I promote the keywords, Google moves it up then down again and it's not stable these days.

          Ideas? Should we promote now or wait until Google decides what it wants?
          My UK sites have improved even further and rightly so, I dont think some of my competitors are as targeted as I am.

          One US site dropped 1 place.
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          • Profile picture of the author rinor81
            Originally Posted by vij View Post

            My UK sites have improved even further and rightly so, I dont think some of my competitors are as targeted as I am.

            One US site dropped 1 place.
            Interesting, similar to my condition with Google...

            How about promoting? You think we should keep on now days or wait until Google finishes whatever it is doing?
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            • Profile picture of the author vij
              Originally Posted by rinor81 View Post

              Interesting, similar to my condition with Google...

              How about promoting? You think we should keep on now days or wait until Google finishes whatever it is doing?
              I am mainly promoting the newer sites. I also am giving the ones that are at the cusp of page-1 and 2 a slight nudge with links but nothing major and absolutely no SB or profile thing.


              If google were to check some reactions to the newer updates, warriorforum could be the first place they would look into and this thread might be at the top for that. Why would you want to plaster your links on your signature. I know thats a long shot, but still, I would never do that, atleast not the ones not related to IM.
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              • Profile picture of the author rinor81
                Originally Posted by vij View Post

                I am mainly promoting the newer sites. I also am giving the ones that are at the cusp of page-1 and 2 a slight nudge with links but nothing major and absolutely no SB or profile thing.
                Why no SB? Profile links I understand.

                I promote using SB + BMR and need to get back to article directories too soon...too much work..what do you think about using the AMR program? Should I purchase it?

                Thanks man,

                P.S.

                You feel as if this link building and promotion helps? I feel my sites are stuck and dancing all around with what's going on now with Google...like I said about the site in Google US that was 40+ from 60+ and now back again to 60+ so what gives???
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                • Profile picture of the author vij
                  Originally Posted by rinor81 View Post

                  Why no SB? Profile links I understand.

                  I promote using SB + BMR and need to get back to article directories too soon...too much work..what do you think about using the AMR program? Should I purchase it?

                  Thanks man,

                  P.S.

                  You feel as if this link building and promotion helps? I feel my sites are stuck and dancing all around with what's going on now with Google...like I said about the site in Google US that was 40+ from 60+ and now back again to 60+ so what gives???
                  I agree with you. But I already have some memberships at some places, so not wasting it. Like I said, I am not doing anything on the sites that are out of the first 5 pages. Also drip feeding things slower than ever. Doing real quality articles only.

                  The new sites are getting indexed alright. I also got 2 new EMD very low competition ones on first page in UK.
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                  • Profile picture of the author rinor81
                    Originally Posted by vij View Post

                    I agree with you. But I already have some memberships at some places, so not wasting it. Like I said, I am not doing anything on the sites that are out of the first 5 pages. Also drip feeding things slower than ever. Doing real quality articles only.

                    The new sites are getting indexed alright. I also got 2 new EMD very low competition ones on first page in UK.
                    So you're promoting these days only using article directories sites?

                    Manually or using some automated system?

                    Thanks man,
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                    • Profile picture of the author vij
                      Originally Posted by rinor81 View Post

                      So you're promoting these days only using article directories sites?

                      Manually or using some automated system?

                      Thanks man,
                      Blog Networks/web 2.0 and socialadr. Found out repeat runs of AMR can even hurt. IMO its better to make 1 run of AMR and then use it to promote web2.0 properties that promote your sites. I have always syndicated good content, I never syndicate junk, never.
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                      • Profile picture of the author rinor81
                        Originally Posted by vij View Post

                        Blog Networks/web 2.0 and socialadr. Found out repeat runs of AMR can even hurt. IMO its better to make 1 run of AMR and then use it to promote web2.0 properties that promote your sites. I have always syndicated good content, I never syndicate junk, never.
                        Blog networks - is it like using BMR?

                        Web 2.0 - like Hubpages?

                        So do you do use AMR these days?

                        Thanks,
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                        • Profile picture of the author vij
                          Originally Posted by rinor81 View Post

                          Blog networks - is it like using BMR?

                          Web 2.0 - like Hubpages?

                          So do you do use AMR these days?

                          Thanks,
                          I use others that take less work BMR takes lot of work. I should be doing that I guess.
                          For web 2.0 I use Magic Submitter that syndicates to top web 2.0.

                          Yes, I use AMR. But only do it once or twice directly to my websites. Repeat runs are pointless with that IMO.
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                          • Profile picture of the author rinor81
                            Originally Posted by vij View Post

                            I use others that take less work BMR takes lot of work. I should be doing that I guess.
                            For web 2.0 I use Magic Submitter that syndicates to top web 2.0.

                            Yes, I use AMR. But only do it once or twice directly to my websites. Repeat runs are pointless with that IMO.
                            I use BMR + socialadr these days and thinking of getting into AMR as well...you think all this is a good link building strategy? (way back I manually submitted to article directories).

                            Thanks,
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                            • Profile picture of the author vij
                              Originally Posted by rinor81 View Post

                              I use BMR + socialadr these days and thinking of getting into AMR as well...you think all this is a good link building strategy? (way back I manually submitted to article directories).

                              Thanks,
                              Absolutely! Its not something you should keep doing for a site but should use it once per site/page. I believe its a VFM tool at a one time price. Lets not go off topic here man
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                              • Profile picture of the author rinor81
                                Originally Posted by vij View Post

                                Absolutely! Its not something you should keep doing for a site but should use it once per site/page. I believe its a VFM tool at a one time price. Lets not go off topic here man
                                OK, thank you...

                                Not really getting off topic here since this question comes because of what is happening with Google now and if these methods will still work after panda 2.2

                                Directly to topic - any new shifts or things you've noticed recently?

                                My sites are still page 1 for their niches (older sites)

                                Thanks,
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                                • Profile picture of the author vij
                                  Originally Posted by rinor81 View Post

                                  OK, thank you...

                                  Not really getting off topic here since this question comes because of what is happening with Google now and if these methods will still work after panda 2.2

                                  Directly to topic - any new shifts or things you've noticed recently?

                                  My sites are still page 1 for their niches (older sites)

                                  Thanks,
                                  Ok.
                                  Alls well as of now. Another 48hrs and I guess I can afford a smile.
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                                  • Profile picture of the author rinor81
                                    Originally Posted by vij View Post

                                    Ok.
                                    Alls well as of now. Another 48hrs and I guess I can afford a smile.
                                    Why 48 hours? Will it be a week since we got back to page 1?



                                    Still, feels as if it's not the last rankings but let's hope it is
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  • Profile picture of the author vij
    Just something I noticed. One of the keywords I got back to page-1 is a popular product and I am promoting it as an amazon affiliate. I am the only "non brand store" in the first 2 pages. Mind you mine is an exact match keyword(bought the domain for big bucks), I have over 2000 words of content on the home page which is a good case study and unique in every sense and I also have over 2000 backlinks when seen with majesticSEO. All these wonderful things going for it and its only at number 6.


    It still seems fair game for "product+reviews".
    But just ranking for "product" has become lot tougher for very popular products since the first panda I think.
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    • Profile picture of the author vij
      Apparently, the current rankings are no fluke

      Google has given us confirmation that they have ran an update to the Panda filter recently.
      The update hit sometime late last week. I believe Google manually pushed out the Panda 2.2
      update around June 16th
      Some webmasters found themselves breaking out of the Panda filter and ranking better again, since being hit on Panda 1.0 on February 24th. Whereas others were hit for the first time, now suffering from the Panda filter.
      Thats many of us.

      As Google’s Cutts explained, 2.2 was to improve scraper detection and that these Panda updates are pushed out manually.
      Remember a guy came here around 17th saying he had about 20 scraper sites deindexed.


      Official: Google Panda Update 2.2 Is Live
      http://www.seroundtable.com/google-p...its-13586.html
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  • Profile picture of the author Ernie Lo
    Thanks to G00gle, I will probably never create large quality websites again. I sillingly tried do to the right thing and took things slow and was sure to not do anything BlueFart or take any shortcuts, yet many of the BlueFart and thin affiliate guys sites havent been effected.

    Thanks for nothing.
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    • Profile picture of the author rinor81
      Originally Posted by Ernie Lonardo View Post

      Thanks to G00gle, I will probably never create a large quality website again. I sillingly tried do to the right thing and took things slow and was sure to not do anything BlueFart or take any shortcuts, yet many of the BlueFart guys sites havent been effected.

      Thanks for nothing.
      Hey Ernie,

      Hold on, you still don't know if these are the final rankings or if we still going to shift. I myself wish these will be the current and final rankings but am building now a few large sites that I will add content over time and build links to, I still think large and authority sites are better for the long run than niche or small sites - don't give up man!
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    • Profile picture of the author vij
      Originally Posted by Ernie Lonardo View Post

      Thanks to G00gle, I will probably never create large quality websites again. I sillingly tried do to the right thing and took things slow and was sure to not do anything BlueFart or take any shortcuts, yet many of the BlueFart and thin affiliate guys sites havent been effected.

      Thanks for nothing.
      There will always be a mix. Your generalization is wrong. Your chances of getting screwed are higher if you build thin useless pages and you know it. So keep building bigger sites. But remember big doesn't mean you have one site and include many different niches and plaster all and sundry. Targeted websites will get preference.

      G might rank smaller websites if there is enough content on a page and if that page is more targeted. Anyways they will release more updates in future and who knows you may get a reprieve.


      @rinor
      The point is the current result is not a fluke. There will be more updates in the future ofcourse.
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      • Profile picture of the author rinor81
        Originally Posted by vij View Post

        There will always be a mix. Your generalization is wrong. Your chances of getting screwed are higher if you build thin useless pages and you know it. So keep building bigger sites. But remember big doesn't mean you have one site and include many different niches and plaster all and sundry. Targeted websites will get preference.

        G might rank smaller websites if there is enough content on a page and if that page is more targeted. Anyways they will release more updates in future and who knows you may get a reprieve.


        @rinor
        The point is the current result is not a fluke. There will be more updates in the future ofcourse.
        Hey Vij,

        For the meantime, are we watching the current results? Ones that won't get shift in a week or two?

        Future is a long time from now I suppose, but I guess we're watching the results after Panda 2.2 update was implemented, correct?

        I hope so, because the sites of mine that got back are on page 1....and I made some good sales because of that....what do you think? Are those the current rankings after Panda 2.2 already?

        Take care,
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        • Profile picture of the author vij
          Originally Posted by rinor81 View Post

          Hey Vij,

          For the meantime, are we watching the current results? Ones that won't get shift in a week or two?

          Future is a long time from now I suppose, but I guess we're watching the results after Panda 2.2 update was implemented, correct?

          I hope so, because the sites of mine that got back are on page 1....and I made some good sales because of that....what do you think? Are those the current rankings after Panda 2.2 already?

          Take care,
          Yes, IMO the rankings now are post Panda 2.2. Its good news for us.
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          • Profile picture of the author rinor81
            Originally Posted by vij View Post

            Yes, IMO the rankings now are post Panda 2.2. Its good news for us.
            I guess you don't have to wait another 24 hours, right?

            You can smile right now...

            Good Luck to us all!
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    • Profile picture of the author Kelly Verge
      Originally Posted by Ernie Lonardo View Post

      Thanks to G00gle, I will probably never create large quality websites again. I sillingly tried do to the right thing and took things slow and was sure to not do anything BlueFart or take any shortcuts, yet many of the BlueFart and thin affiliate guys sites havent been effected.

      Thanks for nothing.

      I feel your pain, Ernie.

      My biggest site (400+ pages of unique content) took the hardest hit and is still down. I ranked for many keywords, and now overall traffic is 1/4 of what it was in May. It had been increasing in traffic steadily for years until this hit.

      My thinnest sites (amazon products) have bounced back better than they were.

      Pitiful.
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  • Profile picture of the author MonopolyMan
    They've confirmed that 2.2 is now live so what you're seeing now will be the results of that.

    This isn't the last of Panda however, they've said themselves it's going to keep going.


    Most of my unique content sites have been restored and are lifting up in the SERPS. The problem (as I see it) is one of my autoblogs has skyrocketed even further which means they're not done tinkering yet.

    And before anyone jumps down my throat for the autoblog - it was put together as a test. I'd *love* to see Google slap it and rank my unique sites properly.
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    • Profile picture of the author vij
      Originally Posted by MonopolyMan View Post

      They've confirmed that 2.2 is now live so what you're seeing now will be the results of that.

      This isn't the last of Panda however, they've said themselves it's going to keep going.


      Most of my unique content sites have been restored and are lifting up in the SERPS. The problem (as I see it) is one of my autoblogs has skyrocketed even further which means they're not done tinkering yet.

      And before anyone jumps down my throat for the autoblog - it was put together as a test. I'd *love* to see Google slap it and rank my unique sites properly.
      There is never going to be a last Panda till the time they come up with some Godzilla :p


      Regarding your autoblog, you can type it here or even better mention about it in google webmaster forums and maybe your wish will be granted sooner than later... damn I am in a cynical mood and enjoying it.
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  • Profile picture of the author kayf
    I've seen some websites also take a nose dive recently. All started in June. Is there any type of blog / website that singularly talks about what happened in June with google?
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    • Profile picture of the author vij
      Originally Posted by kayf View Post

      I've seen some websites also take a nose dive recently. All started in June. Is there any type of blog / website that singularly talks about what happened in June with google?
      Don't take my work for it, but this is a blend of my opinions from experiences and what I read.

      1. Google ran a series of mini updates leading up to the Panda 2.2 and finally Panda 2.2 has been unloaded on us on June 16th midnight/Jun17th.

      2. Once the Panda 2.2 was done the 3 days shuffling cycle(between June 6th -June 16th) seems to have broken and there is some sanity.

      3. Personally I believe they have given a reprieve to some sites, even the smaller ones with lots of unique content. IMO if you are making 1 or 2 page sites make sure there are atleast 700 words (1000 would be great) unique content on the homepage with a case study(makes you feel secure). But its still better to go bigger.

      4. With the Panda 2.2 scraper sites were hit hard. Plenty of reports with webmasters losing dozens of scraper sites, most of them not just penalized but deindexed.

      I still have some good websites that can do better but I believe they are in the right direction with this one and I genuinely feel that the search quality has improved.

      I think this Panda 2.2 is the gentler moderate panda with a caring touch :p
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      • Profile picture of the author kayf
        Ok, thats really helpful. I guess I just need to keep my fingers crossed on google making a chance. My websites are all unique content that changes hourly / daily.
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        • Profile picture of the author rvdp
          My site came back June 16th/17th, the day which now is said was the start of Panda 2.2. Before, it had been gone for about 2 month to position 500-600, as so many of the sites on here. As of today, it has yet again disappeared to those positions. Bottom line: even if your site reappeared after June 16, it is no guarantuee it will stick...
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          • Profile picture of the author kayf
            Unfortunately, I haven't still seen an increase back to close to where it was in early june
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          • Profile picture of the author vij
            Originally Posted by rvdp View Post

            My site came back June 16th/17th, the day which now is said was the start of Panda 2.2. Before, it had been gone for about 2 month to position 500-600, as so many of the sites on here. As of today, it has yet again disappeared to those positions. Bottom line: even if your site reappeared after June 16, it is no guarantuee it will stick...
            Did it disappear today or appeared and disappeared same day(17th)?
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            • Profile picture of the author rvdp
              Originally Posted by vij View Post

              Did it disappear today or appeared and disappeared same day(17th)?
              Disappeared today after having been #2 since June 17th.
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              • Profile picture of the author vij
                Originally Posted by rvdp View Post

                Disappeared today after having been #2 since June 17th.
                There we go again. Mine still holding. Fingers crossed.
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                • Profile picture of the author rinor81
                  Originally Posted by vij View Post

                  There we go again. Mine still holding. Fingers crossed.
                  Mine still holding too in page 1 of Google....let's hope they stick there and not disappear again....all praise the Google gods....
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                  • Profile picture of the author kayf
                    Rinor81 -- are you doing something special in order to make it hold?

                    Originally Posted by rinor81 View Post

                    Mine still holding too in page 1 of Google....let's hope they stick there and not disappear again....all praise the Google gods....
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                    • Profile picture of the author vij
                      Originally Posted by kayf View Post

                      Rinor81 -- are you doing something special in order to make it hold?
                      Rumour has it that rinor is sacrificing cows
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                      • Profile picture of the author rinor81
                        Originally Posted by vij View Post

                        Rumour has it that rinor is sacrificing cows
                        I guess you know me well enough....once you know the Google gods life is better and simpler....yeah....I wish....:p
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                    • Profile picture of the author rinor81
                      Originally Posted by kayf View Post

                      Rinor81 -- are you doing something special in order to make it hold?
                      Hey man,

                      No, nothing special...these are aged sites more or less and not so new, I keep promoting them now using Socialadr and BMR and before I promoted them using article directories sites, way before....
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  • Profile picture of the author roady
    Even my site is still on page one after coming back from rank 400+. I've been building steady backlinks so i don't lose this opportunity n_n
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    • Profile picture of the author rinor81
      Morning guys,

      Sites still on page 1 on Google...so far so good...

      One site that I promote 2 keywords on (a bit newer but has 3-4 months) - the keywords are on pages 5-6...was page 1 before the Panda 2.2

      Anyone else? Any news?

      Have a great day!
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  • Profile picture of the author chimeara27
    i made good changes to are also ranking high
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    • Profile picture of the author rinor81
      Anyone experiencing new things and ranking with Google now that 2.2 was implemented or is everything stable?

      Vij, you?
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      • Profile picture of the author vij
        Originally Posted by rinor81 View Post

        Anyone experiencing new things and ranking with Google now that 2.2 was implemented or is everything stable?

        Vij, you?
        All stable here. Below me one site that disappeared on 16th has returned and a bigger site(not mine) has totally disappeared from the serp, it didnt have any backlink but was a bigger site. This is the only "funny" development I noticed and everything is stable across more than dozen websites.
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  • Profile picture of the author danhoff
    All stable for me
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  • Profile picture of the author Belgin Fish
    Man I had some sites getting like 30k uv's a day and it dropped to less than 10k, any suggestions on what I should do?
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  • Profile picture of the author danhoff
    ****in A! Google moved my site up a lot
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  • Profile picture of the author bigpoppa3
    My adsense and page views averages dropped 50% since June 17th. What a coinkidink!!!
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  • Profile picture of the author kkchoon
    Most of my sites' traffic increased, I think most probably of the unique content and good link structure, the backlinks strategy are as usual.

    However, I did mix a lot of link type, even with profile links I'm doing great... I always spin content in the profile.
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    • Profile picture of the author vij
      Update:
      Mild shuffling in many niches where I am on first page which is normal perhaps.

      For 1 niche/keyword I see a major shuffle - things turned upside down . I was not on page-1 for this - was on page 5. Now I am sitting pretty on 2 slots - rank 677 and 777
      They like to tonk websites and place them in patterns of 100 just for kicks I guess.
      Having said that this was the one result that I felt was a fluke on June 17th.

      All this for Google USA
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      • Profile picture of the author rinor81
        My update for this morning:

        2 sites of mine that were page 1 on Google are gone....

        Other sites stayed where they are give or take...

        Hope I will be able to promote the sites that are on pages 4-6 on Google...will keep on building links....

        Any one else? Any Google news? Updates?

        Take care all,
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  • Profile picture of the author sousen
    Now I think Panda update is over there is nothing new!
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    • Profile picture of the author Brendan Mace
      Originally Posted by sousen View Post

      Now I think Panda update is over there is nothing new!
      Disagree. Something is happening today for sure. 3 of my panda hit sites came back. And one of my sites was re-hit. It's probably not a new update or anything like that. But it does take a significant amount of time for an update to fully roll out.

      So there's a very good chance that the new update has not evaluated all of your sites yet.
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      • Profile picture of the author rinor81
        So far so good...only 2 sites disappeared yesterday and are still gone, the others are where they were...

        Anyone else? I'm starting to think these are the actual rankings Trying to convince myself....

        Question:

        I have a site with a keyword that is ranked #3 in Google UK and only #40 in Google US, I promote it with BMR these days, there is no where to go in UK as #1-#2 are Amazon but will it advance it Google USA? What do you think guys?
        The site is set as a UK site....will it advance in US as well as I keep promoting it?

        Thanks guys,
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        • Profile picture of the author vij
          Originally Posted by rinor81 View Post

          So far so good...only 2 sites disappeared yesterday and are still gone, the others are where they were...

          Anyone else? I'm starting to think these are the actual rankings Trying to convince myself....

          Question:

          I have a site with a keyword that is ranked #3 in Google UK and only #40 in Google US, I promote it with BMR these days, there is no where to go in UK as #1-#2 are Amazon but will it advance it Google USA? What do you think guys?
          The site is set as a UK site....will it advance in US as well as I keep promoting it?

          Thanks guys,
          If the site is org.uk or co.uk - no chance in hell!
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          • Profile picture of the author danhoff
            Originally Posted by vij View Post

            If the site is org.uk or co.uk - no chance in hell!
            True .. df
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          • Profile picture of the author rinor81
            Originally Posted by vij View Post

            If the site is org.uk or co.uk - no chance in hell!
            Really?? So it will be around page 5 on Google US? No way it will advance even if I keep promoting it?
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            • Profile picture of the author vij
              Originally Posted by rinor81 View Post

              Really?? So it will be around page 5 on Google US? No way it will advance even if I keep promoting it?
              Are you using UK hosting. Then its just doubly impossible. Not for the popular TLDs like co.uk or com.au.
              IMO its possible for some "keyword UK" kind of search, not otherwise.

              If it was possible you would see atleast a few UK authority domains on Page-1 for some decent keyword, dont you think?

              How are you checking the ranks?
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              • Profile picture of the author rinor81
                Originally Posted by vij View Post

                Are you using UK hosting. Then its just doubly impossible. Not for the popular TLDs like co.uk or com.au.
                IMO its possible for some "keyword UK" kind of search, not otherwise.

                If it was possible you would see atleast a few UK authority domains on Page-1 for some decent keyword, dont you think?

                How are you checking the ranks?
                I know where my sites are at so I keep checking the ranking each and everyday. For a keyword on a British site I am #3 on CO UK and on US I am #40 for that keyword.
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        • Profile picture of the author wolfmmiii
          Originally Posted by rinor81 View Post

          So far so good...only 2 sites disappeared yesterday and are still gone, the others are where they were...

          Anyone else? I'm starting to think these are the actual rankings Trying to convince myself....
          My big site came back on the 17th and has been steadily increasing in visitors to the point where I had almost 1000 uniques yesterday. Woke up this AM and....poof...no google traffic since 1am.

          I'm off to my kid's soccer game so I haven't checked the others yet.
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          • Profile picture of the author rinor81
            Originally Posted by wolfmmiii View Post

            My big site came back on the 17th and has been steadily increasing in visitors to the point where I had almost 1000 uniques yesterday. Woke up this AM and....poof...no google traffic since 1am.

            I'm off to my kid's soccer game so I haven't checked the others yet.
            So you're saying the site has vanished again?

            Keep us posted about the other sites as well man.

            Thank you and good luck to us all...can't dance forever....
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            • Profile picture of the author wolfmmiii
              Originally Posted by rinor81 View Post

              So you're saying the site has vanished again?

              Keep us posted about the other sites as well man.

              Thank you and good luck to us all...can't dance forever....
              yep. vanished overnight
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              • Profile picture of the author vij
                Originally Posted by wolfmmiii View Post

                yep. vanished overnight
                More websites have come back just now. wonder if this is gng to be a payback with some dropping out. So far so good.

                Check your ranks now guys.
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                • Profile picture of the author wolfmmiii
                  nothing yet
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                • Profile picture of the author rinor81
                  Originally Posted by vij View Post

                  More websites have come back just now. wonder if this is gng to be a payback with some dropping out. So far so good.

                  Check your ranks now guys.
                  Same here for me, the two sites that vanished are gone and the others are where they were...
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                  • Profile picture of the author Rollmodl
                    I just think too much attention is paid to something we know little about. As long as you have great content and continue to build links, there is no need to worry. Listings are constantly moving around in Google for whatever reasons there may be.
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                    • Profile picture of the author wolfmmiii
                      Originally Posted by Rollmodl View Post

                      I just think too much attention is paid to something we know little about. As long as you have great content and continue to build links, there is no need to worry. Listings are constantly moving around in Google for whatever reasons there may be.
                      moving around and disappearing are two different things. ive lost close to 1000 visitors per day overnight. webmasters pay attention so we can learn what causes it
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                • Profile picture of the author veenafurtado
                  according to what I have just experienced,
                  nothing is happening about duplicate content.

                  you can take duplicate content and get on the first page of Google.

                  i have come across a site that is lifting articles -
                  and not giving their links.

                  this site is appearing on Google 1st page for various searches.

                  See my post on the warriorforum regarding this -
                  http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...ml#post4151264
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                  • Profile picture of the author vij
                    Originally Posted by veenafurtado View Post

                    according to what I have just experienced,
                    nothing is happening about duplicate content.

                    you can take duplicate content and get on the first page of Google.

                    i have come across a site that is lifting articles -
                    and not giving their links.

                    this site is appearing on Google 1st page for various searches.

                    See my post on the warriorforum regarding this -
                    http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...ml#post4151264
                    In the last 2 weeks hundreds of scraper sites have been reported to have got deindexed across various forums. This guy's turn will come.
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                    • Profile picture of the author veenafurtado
                      Originally Posted by vij View Post

                      In the last 2 weeks hundreds of scraper sites have been reported to have got deindexed across various forums. This guy's turn will come.

                      the site is lifting thousands of articles-
                      yet nothing is being done about it?

                      how can this be allowed?
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                      • Profile picture of the author rinor81
                        I still think Google is going through changes and every month or so we'll see different things, just something I take from the video posted here earlier....(there's a link)
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                        • Profile picture of the author rinor81
                          Update:

                          I see shifts with my sites in Google US and Google UK...some site up, some down....anyone else sees some shifts? Google still updates itself?

                          Thanks.
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                          • Profile picture of the author vij
                            Originally Posted by rinor81 View Post

                            Update:

                            I see shifts with my sites in Google US and Google UK...some site up, some down....anyone else sees some shifts? Google still updates itself?

                            Thanks.
                            Yes. shifts here too.

                            I have many websites and they are more or less ok. Notice some nice things in Google UK too. But there is something about a particular set of 4 websites. When 2 websites go for a toss the the other 2 pop up :rolleyes:
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  • Profile picture of the author xxxJamesxxx
    Really?? So it will be around page 5 on Google US? No way it will advance even if I keep promoting it?
    You can and I know because I've done it before. But using a .co.uk or any UK related domain to rank in Google.com (not Google.co.uk) is alot harder to rank than a universal domain like .com, .net, .org etc.

    James
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    • Profile picture of the author rinor81
      Originally Posted by xxxJamesxxx View Post

      You can and I know because I've done it before. But using a .co.uk or any UK related domain to rank in Google.com (not Google.co.uk) is alot harder to rank than a universal domain like .com, .net, .org etc.

      James
      Hey James,

      Thanks for the answer, can you give me an example of a site that is British like one of my sites (or any other geographic target) but you were able to rank it high in Google US?

      Thank you!
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      • Profile picture of the author vij
        Originally Posted by rinor81 View Post

        Hey James,

        Thanks for the answer, can you give me an example of a site that is British like one of my sites (or any other geographic target) but you were able to rank it high in Google US?

        Thank you!
        Good luck to your rinor. I have plenty of low compeition exact match uk domains with hundreds of backlinks and I haven't been able to get anywhere near page-1 for google USA. You can chase a ghost just bcoz someone says he saw a ghost somewhere :p
        Almost anything is possible, but is it practical and doable/probable?
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  • Profile picture of the author danhoff
    Something is cooking at Big G, my site moved up some moved down .....
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  • Profile picture of the author razorhound
    It seems to be stable now.
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  • Profile picture of the author wolfmmiii
    I just don't get it. How can a site be good for Google one day, not good for a few days, then good again for a few more days, and then not good again?

    Either a site is good or it's not. Google changes its mind more than my wife....
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    • Profile picture of the author rinor81
      Originally Posted by wolfmmiii View Post

      I just don't get it. How can a site be good for Google one day, not good for a few days, then good again for a few more days, and then not good again?

      Either a site is good or it's not. Google changes its mind more than my wife....
      Agree with you 250% my friend, it's so frustrating for us, especially when we try to make a living out of internet marketing. The sad thing is that Google still rules and we have to "follow" its rules to get most of our traffic....if it was something else it wouldn't have frustrated us so much....

      I don't what to tell you, no one really knows I guess. I know it's easy to say good content and links but Google always changes the rules...that is why I just hope each and everyday I am still on page 1 of Google and hope to sell while I'm there, in the meantime adding content to my sites and building links....what else can we do?
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      • Profile picture of the author dp40oz
        Originally Posted by rinor81 View Post

        Agree with you 250% my friend, it's so frustrating for us, especially when we try to make a living out of internet marketing. The sad thing is that Google still rules and we have to "follow" its rules to get most of our traffic....if it was something else it wouldn't have frustrated us so much....

        I don't what to tell you, no one really knows I guess. I know it's easy to say good content and links but Google always changes the rules...that is why I just hope each and everyday I am still on page 1 of Google and hope to sell while I'm there, in the meantime adding content to my sites and building links....what else can we do?
        Well Ive taken the stance that Google has repeatedly shown that they don't care about us the Webmaster's so why should I care about Google. I exploit their search engine for all I can and sometimes they win and sometimes I do. Its impossible to follow rules when even the people who've made them up don't quite understand what they are exactly. I respect the guys who do everything white hat but to believe theres any x+y=z to Google is just setting yourself up for disappointment. You can play by the rules and be screwed and you can not play by the rules and win.

        Im not bothered that my site was destroyed by Panda because I don't exactly follow the rules so to say in my link building. What bothers me is that Panda is strictly there to punish. Google should not be in the business of punishing websites they should be rewarding better websites. They should not be having an algo hand out -500 ranking penalties under the idea that the site might "possibly" be of low content. Thats just too broad of a net and its playing judge and jury off of huge assumptions. It leaves everyone vulnerable and is going against what made them popular to begin with. It is taking the trust out of how they've always ranked pages and that just makes no sense to me. Panda should give bonuses to "high quality" sites not the other way around.
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  • Profile picture of the author howsyamama
    A little over a month ago, two of my sites (same niche) vanished from page 1 - to page 500+. Neither was a big money maker, so I viewed it as kind of an interesting test/experiment.

    Imagine my surprise when a week ago they both showed up on page 1 again - for one week.

    Now, they're gone again. Still full indexed, but back in the pit.

    Is this kind of thing happening to everyone? Fortunately my other sites have remained fairly stable.
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    • Profile picture of the author howsyamama
      Just to continue the sharing (misery loves company) - the two sites (same niche) I reported on earlier are back on page 1 as of this morning. So just to recap...

      page 1 to page 500+ to page 1 to page 500+ to page 1 -- all over the past 5 or 6 weeks. And again, this is TWO separate sites (separate domains) that have made this journey together. (One is a feeder for the other.)

      So either Google has "linked" them (because of the one-way links on the feeder site), or whatever quality is sending one site is present in the other.

      That said, just for education sake, I should add that the feeder site is also an auto blog - started with several pieces of quality, original content, well designed, but now on autopilot. The primary site is not auto. But they dance side-by-side.

      Both - even the autoblog - are back on page 1 this morning.

      Is this weird, or am I just too inexperienced to have seen something like this before???
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  • Profile picture of the author zenxseo
    Hi, there is a G8 post + video about Google panda and i hope people must watch it . How Google's Panda Update Changed SEO Best Practices Forever - Whiteboard Friday | SEOmoz at seomoz
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    • Profile picture of the author rinor81
      Originally Posted by zenxseo View Post

      Hi, there is a G8 post + video about Google panda and i hope people must watch it . How Google's Panda Update Changed SEO Best Practices Forever - Whiteboard Friday | SEOmoz at seomoz
      From the video:

      "Of course, the Panda updates are changes to Google's algorithm and are not merely manual reviews of sites in the index, so there is room for error (causing devastation for many legitimate webmasters and SEOs)."


      "I know this is frustrating. I know it's a tough issue. In fact, I think that there are sites that have been really unfairly hit. That sucks and they shouldn't be and Google needs to work on this. But I also know that I don't think Google is going to be making many changes."


      So I guess it's a change to the algo and not a manual update....thanks for the video, it's a bit scary now because it becomes so much harder to predict whether your site will be Panda sufficient or not....you know what you have to do now, make your site "visitor enjoyable" but it's not that easy and you have to hope that Google thinks so as well....

      OK guys, we're entering a whole new era of SEO now and it's a lot harder....thoughts?
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      • Profile picture of the author vij
        Originally Posted by rinor81 View Post

        From the video:

        "Of course, the Panda updates are changes to Google's algorithm and are not merely manual reviews of sites in the index, so there is room for error (causing devastation for many legitimate webmasters and SEOs)."


        "I know this is frustrating. I know it's a tough issue. In fact, I think that there are sites that have been really unfairly hit. That sucks and they shouldn't be and Google needs to work on this. But I also know that I don't think Google is going to be making many changes."


        So I guess it's a change to the algo and not a manual update....thanks for the video, it's a bit scary now because it becomes so much harder to predict whether your site will be Panda sufficient or not....you know what you have to do now, make your site "visitor enjoyable" but it's not that easy and you have to hope that Google thinks so as well....

        OK guys, we're entering a whole new era of SEO now and it's a lot harder....thoughts?
        Yes. I started late.

        Give this time, the heat and dust will settle and things will go on, life will go on and so will SEO
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        • Profile picture of the author rinor81
          I understood from the video that Google will evaluate sites every 30-40 days and learn them, so I guess we'll see shifts every month or so? Right?
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          • Profile picture of the author rinor81
            Hey guys, do you see changes in positions?

            One of my sites that was #3 in UK is now dropped to #6 and all the CNET and Endaget sites are back up instead...

            The funny thing is that the site now rank with PR 2 when it was PR 0 before...hope it stays on page 1 at least...a bit worried now....
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            • Profile picture of the author Dumkist
              One thing I have noticed is no matter how many links I build to a site now..nothing happens..no Google dance..nothing..my ? is..do back links even matter now ?? :confused::confused:
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              • Profile picture of the author vjslav
                Originally Posted by Dumkist View Post

                One thing I have noticed is no matter how many links I build to a site now..nothing happens..no Google dance..nothing..my ? is..do back links even matter now ?? :confused::confused:
                Exactly same symptoms, though when I add fresh content it drops even lower
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                • Profile picture of the author Dumkist
                  Originally Posted by vjslav View Post

                  Exactly same symptoms, though when I add fresh content it drops even lower
                  This is crazy..man what the hell has Google done ?...to me it seems that links might not count anymore...I remember before the update I could send say 100 links to a page and it would bounce around then settle in again..but now I can add 2000 and it will not budge
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                  • Profile picture of the author rinor81
                    Originally Posted by Dumkist View Post

                    This is crazy..man what the hell has Google done ?...to me it seems that links might not count anymore...I remember before the update I could send say 100 links to a page and it would bounce around then settle in again..but now I can add 2000 and it will not budge
                    Guess it's the Panda 2.2 and everything Google is doing now with PR update + algorithm, we'll have to wait and see what happens...

                    I too suffer sites stuck or disappearing and I build them links daily and the worst thing is that I have a site that was #3 in UK with PR 0 and now it is #6 with PR 2...so what good did the PR update do if I keep building links to it but 3 sites passed over me?

                    Hope I stay on page 1...
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                    • Profile picture of the author vij
                      Originally Posted by rinor81 View Post

                      Guess it's the Panda 2.2 and everything Google is doing now with PR update + algorithm, we'll have to wait and see what happens...

                      I too suffer sites stuck or disappearing and I build them links daily and the worst thing is that I have a site that was #3 in UK with PR 0 and now it is #6 with PR 2...so what good did the PR update do if I keep building links to it but 3 sites passed over me?

                      Hope I stay on page 1...
                      Yes. No movement on my sites at all.

                      Also unbelievably, three 8 month old sites have each shot from PR0 to PR3. What a leap!
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  • Profile picture of the author IMKid
    Wow what a thread! I've also been dancing around. Unfortunately not upwards and not small steps!
    One day I'm there another day I'm gone. And they are not my crappy sites either.
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  • Profile picture of the author Josh Walker
    My sites have all held well, one or two have actually shot up near first spot...
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  • Profile picture of the author razorhound
    Yeah no movement as well, but PR adjusted from 0 to 3.
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    • Profile picture of the author rinor81
      I feel the same...

      Promoting using BMR but sites are stuck and one is dancing between pages 4-7...anyone knows what we should do? Should we keep building links? I don't feel the effect too, maybe Google still updates itself or is thinking differently now?
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  • Profile picture of the author Mr Precision
    I'm feeling a little better now that I know that its not just me having problems. One of my sites struggles to stay in the top ten pages of googles search and it doesn't really benefit me to have it. Yesterday I looked up my site and it wasn't even on the search engines. I was getting ready to say I've never seen it get better page rank than 6, but I just now checked and it was actually on page 5. Yay.
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    • Profile picture of the author vij
      @rinor
      I see one of your EMD has fallen. Are you using paid version of socialadr? Its useful.
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      • Profile picture of the author rinor81
        Originally Posted by vij View Post

        @rinor
        I see one of your EMD has fallen. Are you using paid version of socialadr? Its useful.
        Hey Vij,

        I use the free socialdr and BMR these days...

        Which site? Soda? The rest of the sites are good so far...
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        • Profile picture of the author vij
          Originally Posted by rinor81 View Post

          Hey Vij,

          I use the free socialdr and BMR these days...

          Which site? Soda? The rest of the sites are good so far...
          kindle 3g dropped from 2nd to 7th in google.co.uk
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          • Profile picture of the author rinor81
            Originally Posted by vij View Post

            kindle 3g dropped from 2nd to 7th in google.co.uk
            OK man, here goes...

            We've never been to 2nd place and the highest we got was 3rd and that is where we are now...

            Just checked and I see it on #3 on Google UK....

            I know Google shows different on various geographic places but I see it #3 and you see it #7? So much difference?

            Let me know where it is now....I see it #3 man....
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            • Profile picture of the author razorhound
              Originally Posted by rinor81 View Post

              OK man, here goes...

              We've never been to 2nd place and the highest we got was 3rd and that is where we are now...

              Just checked and I see it on #3 on Google UK....

              I know Google shows different on various geographic places but I see it #3 and you see it #7? So much difference?

              Let me know where it is now....I see it #3 man....
              Checked for you, it's #7 on UK, you prob searched with personalized result.
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              • Profile picture of the author rinor81
                Originally Posted by razorhound View Post

                Checked for you, it's #7 on UK, you prob searched with personalized result.
                Hey man, thanks...

                OK, I have no idea what is right or wrong and how to check now...

                I use both Explorer and Firefox that I don't surf with and I am signed out from Google there and I don't click the site or any site there as well, didn't click before as well so - how is it personalized?

                Also, Google Webmaster says the avg. position of the site is #4

                So how to check and be sure? It's weird that I see it #3, my friend see it #2 in UK and you guys see it #7....

                ???
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                • Profile picture of the author razorhound
                  Originally Posted by rinor81 View Post

                  Hey man, thanks...

                  OK, I have no idea what is right or wrong and how to check now...

                  I use both Explorer and Firefox that I don't surf with and I am signed out from Google there and I don't click the site or any site there as well, didn't click before as well so - how is it personalized?

                  Also, Google Webmaster says the avg. position of the site is #4

                  So how to check and be sure? It's weird that I see it #3, my friend see it #2 in UK and you guys see it #7....

                  ???
                  Have you tried to search with the Google Global extension add on?
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            • Profile picture of the author vij
              Originally Posted by rinor81 View Post

              OK man, here goes...

              We've never been to 2nd place and the highest we got was 3rd and that is where we are now...

              Just checked and I see it on #3 on Google UK....

              I know Google shows different on various geographic places but I see it #3 and you see it #7? So much difference?

              Let me know where it is now....I see it #3 man....
              I see it at #7. I saw it at #2 12 hours back.
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  • Profile picture of the author Sara angel
    They are doing some ranking changes. Some sites could have been affected. Search it on google. Should have the info you need.
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  • Profile picture of the author vij
    Hey I just used bestukproxy.com and searched from within that. Using UK proxy I see your site at #3

    Edit 1 - Even seoserp shows #3


    Edit 2 - Now I can see you at #2 from within my normal google.co.uk search but the cascaded amazon results are hidden and displayed as 1.

    lol
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    • Profile picture of the author rinor81
      Originally Posted by vij View Post

      Hey I just used bestukproxy.com and searched from within that. Using UK proxy I see your site at #3

      Edit 1 - Even seoserp shows #3


      Edit 2 - Now I can see you at #2 from within my normal google.co.uk search but the cascaded amazon results are hidden and displayed as 1.

      lol
      So what does that mean man? We're back at #3 in UK? Which one to trust? Which one to use?
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  • Profile picture of the author Michael Daniels
    Google is just too unstable and i have this funny feeling that things will keep making Major changes that will throw everyone off, like a spring cleaning constantly that has no rhyme or reason (at least for the layman). Just my two cents but you guys should look into other forms of traffic if your bread and butter is SEO'in the crap out of your sites for the sake of making it to page 1 or 2 of google. Competition will increase but googles page 1's won't, so if half of the unemployed world turns to google in the next say, 2 yrs, what will that mean for the IM world.. food for thought if your a full timer like myself.
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  • Profile picture of the author razorhound
    Nothing much, same positions and some +1 -1.
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    • Profile picture of the author rinor81
      Viz,

      Anything new? Where do you see my sites now?

      I see it at #3 in UK and #29 in US....you?

      How are your sites?

      Take care man...
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      • Profile picture of the author vij
        Originally Posted by rinor81 View Post

        Viz,

        Anything new? Where do you see my sites now?

        I see it at #3 in UK and #29 in US....you?

        How are your sites?

        Take care man...
        UK - 2(might be same as you with the difference that I see 1 amazon result above your site but with a hidden cascade)

        US - 29... Hmm. Thats high. Good luck!
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        • Profile picture of the author rinor81
          Originally Posted by vij View Post

          UK - 2(might be same as you with the difference that I see 1 amazon result above your site but with a hidden cascade)

          US - 29... Hmm. Thats high. Good luck!
          Good...so I guess the site is high and that's the way I want it to be.

          US was 38-40 for a week or two and now #29 as you say, I hope I could get

          it to page 1 in time....guess I'll have to try and see.

          How are your sites my friend?
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          • Profile picture of the author vij
            Originally Posted by rinor81 View Post

            Good...so I guess the site is high and that's the way I want it to be.

            US was 38-40 for a week or two and now #29 as you say, I hope I could get

            it to page 1 in time....guess I'll have to try and see.

            How are your sites my friend?
            Had a swap - 3 gone 2 came back up. but traffic is good and has stayed.
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  • Profile picture of the author razorhound
    Gratz man your site is at #2 UK now.
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    • Profile picture of the author rinor81
      Originally Posted by razorhound View Post

      Gratz man your site is at #2 UK now.
      Thanks man, I see it at #3 but I hope it stays this way....how are your sites now post panda 2.2? Still promoting the same way building links?
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      • Profile picture of the author razorhound
        Originally Posted by rinor81 View Post

        Thanks man, I see it at #3 but I hope it stays this way....how are your sites now post panda 2.2? Still promoting the same way building links?
        Doing good so far, most of the sunken sites are back. Hopefully it will stay that way. I'm still doing the same thing to promote them.

        Btw did you notice BMR overall PR dropped? I had 1 PR0 before the new PR update and now 18 of them.
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        • Profile picture of the author rinor81
          Originally Posted by razorhound View Post

          Doing good so far, most of the sunken sites are back. Hopefully it will stay that way. I'm still doing the same thing to promote them.

          Btw did you notice BMR overall PR dropped? I had 1 PR0 before the new PR update and now 18 of them.
          I noticed that man, wrote a post about it. People said there not to worry that will add new sites to their service - let's see...
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  • Profile picture of the author dukerutherford
    The 2.3 update of Google Panda is already live..That must be the cause of the changes..

    www(dot)premiumseosolutions(dot)com.au/blog/seo-news/google-panda-2-3-update-is-officially-rolled-out/
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    • Profile picture of the author Keen F
      Big drop across the board for me, anyone else seeing this as well?
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