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Ahhhh That Ol Chest Nut Again...

by goindeep
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Id like to start a discussion on the following:

Do you believe that if a websites homepage has a high PR that a link on a seperate page within that website with a low or zero PR will count in the eyes of Google?

I think not.

And here is why;

Basically if it where that easy we would all be getting our sites ranked within minutes. Just think of the VAST amount of sites that you visit daily that have huge PR. Such as, FaceBook, Twitter, Digg, Technorati, yada yada yada...

Unless of course Google excludes links from these sites...

But then how would we know who is on their list of sites they exclude and the ones that they give a credit to???

Im placing links on these sites all of the time and rarely if ever are any of them even indexed let alone given any credit.
#ahhhh #chest #nut
  • Profile picture of the author Fraggler
    The problem is that automated software makes it so easy to get these low quality links that it becomes more of a quantity vs quality argument.
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    • Profile picture of the author goindeep
      Originally Posted by Fraggler View Post

      The problem is that automated software makes it so easy to get these low quality links that it becomes more of a quantity vs quality argument.

      Well not really dude.

      Its pretty simple, if the seller is saying he/she will provide you with 50 PR5 links then it is expected that you get 50 PR5 links. Not that you get 50 PR0 links from a webpage within a site that has a PR5.

      Ice argued this point with backlinkers on fiverr and the pretend as if they dont get it.

      Its the biggest scam ever.
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      • Profile picture of the author yukon
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        Originally Posted by Andrei Rotariu View Post

        Well not really dude.

        Its pretty simple, if the seller is saying he/she will provide you with 50 PR5 links then it is expected that you get 50 PR5 links. Not that you get 50 PR0 links from a webpage within a site that has a PR5.

        Ice argued this point with backlinkers on fiverr and the pretend as if they dont get it.

        Its the biggest scam ever.
        Anyone that tries that will only deliver crap, so it's pointless to deal with or carry on a debate. I'm talking about the fiverr backlinkers that think PR is domain wide.

        If they can't figure out the definition of PR (Page Rank) from the abbreviation they will never get it.

        Then again they (fiverr backlinkers) might be playing dumb just to get the paying gig?
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      • Profile picture of the author XIIIzen
        Originally Posted by Andrei Rotariu View Post

        Well not really dude.

        Its pretty simple, if the seller is saying he/she will provide you with 50 PR5 links then it is expected that you get 50 PR5 links. Not that you get 50 PR0 links from a webpage within a site that has a PR5.

        Ice argued this point with backlinkers on fiverr and the pretend as if they dont get it.

        Its the biggest scam ever.
        You do have a point there, it is not nearly the same. That is why forum spam links are mostly worthless. But then again, it raises the question, how do we get quality backlinks, it would also remove the power from quality article sites. Just thinking of course, I'm not even sure...

        I would like to see how this discussion unfolds...
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      • Profile picture of the author Fraggler
        Originally Posted by Andrei Rotariu View Post

        Well not really dude.

        Its pretty simple, if the seller is saying he/she will provide you with 50 PR5 links then it is expected that you get 50 PR5 links. Not that you get 50 PR0 links from a webpage within a site that has a PR5.
        I wasn't arguing with you about if the inner links are PR5 or not, or even the validility of the link sellers claims. I know it is misleading but that wasn't your orginal question.

        What's more valuable: 1 PR5 link or 10,000 PRN/A or PR0 links? That's what the question boils down to at the end of the day because automated software makes them so easy to get.

        For some it is easier to get the 10,000 PR0 links than finding one PR5 so that's the route they take. They know what the services are offering so that's their choice, right or wrong.
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        • Profile picture of the author paulgl
          What are the chances of anyone on fiverr being able
          to get 50 real PR5 links? Nil.

          I think I've visited the the homepage of fiverr twice.
          That was enough for me.

          Here's a slightly different proposition:
          I know that subpages of authority sites
          get authority passed down. That's why wikipedia, amazon,
          etc. can rank #1 with virtually no backlinks. Does an authority
          site also pass on authority to a link, no matter what the PR of
          the page is? Note: Authority sites only.

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    Hi,I really don't know, but if you find out please let me know,thanks,Tommy
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    • Profile picture of the author goindeep
      I think YUKON said it perfectly:

      "If they can't figure out the definition of PR (Page Rank) from the abbreviation they will never get it."

      Its not website rank, its page rank. So next time someone says thay can get you PR backlinks i would want to see examples of where they have previously posted them.
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      • Profile picture of the author paulgl
        Originally Posted by Andrei Rotariu View Post

        I think YUKON said it perfectly:

        "If they can't figure out the definition of PR (Page Rank) from the abbreviation they will never get it."

        Its not website rank, its page rank. So next time someone says thay can get you PR backlinks i would want to see examples of where they have previously posted them.
        This forum is also filled with ridiculous threads about a bunch of PR9 links
        to get. Or other such rot. Then you got there and the page is actually PR n/a.

        People just cargo this nonsense on.

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      • Profile picture of the author Jeremy Banks
        Originally Posted by Andrei Rotariu View Post

        I think YUKON said it perfectly:

        "If they can't figure out the definition of PR (Page Rank) from the abbreviation they will never get it."

        Its not website rank, its page rank. So next time someone says thay can get you PR backlinks i would want to see examples of where they have previously posted them.
        It's not just about the PR, it's the fact that if the homepage has a high PR like 4 or 5 that means something
        • It means the homepage has a lot of backlinks
        • it means the homepage has backlinks from other valuable websites
        • It means google knows this is a good site and trusts the content
        • The PR and link juice is spread around the site
        • Because google trusts the TLD they will favor the pages on this site and rank them higher
        This was more evident before the Panda update, but it is still true today. I do this for a living and pick up on trends
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        • Profile picture of the author yukon
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          Originally Posted by Jeremy Banks View Post

          It's not just about the PR, it's the fact that if the homepage has a high PR like 4 or 5 that means something
          • It means the homepage has a lot of backlinks
          • it means the homepage has backlinks from other valuable websites
          • It means google knows this is a good site and trusts the content
          • The PR and link juice is spread around the site
          • Because google trusts the TLD they will favor the pages on this site and rank them higher
          This was more evident before the Panda update, but it is still true today. I do this for a living and pick up on trends
          True,

          Authority sites like wikipedia are just so huge with trust by the search engines that a PR0 on wikipedia can still rank in the SERPs (page #1) for it's keyword, I've seen it, & have done it on wikipedia.

          That same PR0 on most average sites wouldn't have much weight.

          Just like everything that is seo, a lot of things have to be looked at since all keywords are not created equal when trying to rank in Google SERPs.
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          • Profile picture of the author Fraggler
            Originally Posted by yukon View Post

            Authority sites like wikipedia are just so huge with trust by the search engines that a PR0 on wikipedia can still rank in the SERPs (page #1) for it's keyword, I've seen it, & have done it on wikipedia.
            That is usually because the page is only new so it hasn't gone through a Toolbar PR update yet. The internal links will be giving that page PR that can't be seen by the public yet.

            It would be a cool experiment to see if an orphaned page on a site like Wikipedia actually had any ranking power. (You would still need 1 low quality link so Google coule find the page, preferrably from a PR0 or PRN/A external site.)

            For example: this is why most viewed articles on Ezine Articles ranked well with few external backlinks. They were positioned on enough established pages within the ezinearticles.com domain that they did have good link juice flowing to them. Once they drop off that list they usually drop from the SERPs as well. (Panda has probably put a stop to that though).

            A strong domain can sometimes create strong internal pages with little effort, but they need a lot of exposure from other internal pages with PR.

            Profile Links for example don't achieve this because they are so deep they get an internal link from a page within the members list and that's it. If you were to go and become active on that forum you'll find that eventually your profile page will get some PR as well, but nowhere near the homepage's level.

            If the focus was shifted from quanity to quality then I think there would be a lot more SEO success stories on the forum. It however seems like people have forgot about making money and are more concerned with getting a large number of backlinks.
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  • Profile picture of the author Jeremy Banks
    From checking on competition and running my own websites I KNOW that pages on high PR websites DO rank higher right out of the gates. In certain niches I always see pages from the same domain on the top 10 of google with 0 PR, but because they are on an authority domain they get favour.

    Also I had a high PR dog blog and whenever I posted a new article it was indexed within minutes and usually on the 2nd page of google for the first day, first page of google for the next few weeks.
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  • Profile picture of the author dirtyhair
    fraggler you hit the nail on the head there mate. if people are buying "10,000" forum profile links and "5,000" blog comment links they probably need to take a long hard look at themselves. that said, everything has its place and ina a good structure they can help, but from the look of most of the warriors for hire offers here it doesn't seem to be the case.
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    • Profile picture of the author goindeep
      @ Jeremy

      Yeah OK i get that makes sense. But still the logic stands - These dudes are selling 'links from pr7 sites' and all they do is create a blog comment. To me thats pathetic, who knows maybe its just they way they word it that bugs me.
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