Google use to love my WP blog, now it hates me...

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Since the farmer update, Google has pretty much condemned my 4 year old blog. Why? I have no clue. Before Farmer, I would publish a post and the page would be indexed and cache immediately, and I would enjoy top 3 on the front page of Google.com within 15 minutes of almost any keyword in my niche that I desired. My blog was 100% authority in my field! My alexa ranking was top 85,000, better than 98% of my competitors...

Google loves fresh, 100% unique high-quality content posted daily, right? Well good! I obey to their request.

Google loves lots of high quality backlinks, right? Well good! I have some PR5 backlinks from trusted blogs in my niche! My blog has over 20,000 backlinks, including Wikipedia, eHow, manufacture websites, Yahoo answers, blogs, forums, twitter, facebook... incredibly endless list because my content/links spread like wildfire because my readers were spreading my links everywhere!

I have many important SEO plugins installed, including XML sitemap, all-in-one SEO, pretty urls, webmaster tools, pings... pretty much every essential SEO for WordPress.

Since Farmer update, my site lost 50% ranking. Now I am down to about 70% loss, and still on the decline. Why? Doesn't Google like unique fresh high-quality content anymore?

Do I have a competator doing stuff trying to destroy my site, like building bad backlinks? I don't notice anything in my backlinks weird, but again, it's very difficult to dig through 20k of backlinks.

Do I need more backlinks? Isn't 20k enough? My blog is getting more backlinks daily, but maybe some sites are loosing their link juice that were helping before? My Page Rank didn't go down, my blog is still PR4.

Googling my sites name, it appears as if my site has not changed since 5/24/11. It's not cache anymore. Some inner page Adsense ads shows ads that have nothing to do with the content. As if robots have been blocked, I checked my webmaster tool and shows robots have access. It shows robots have been on my site, but they just seem to be ignoring my fresh content. My new content is getting indexed, but it's not getting any rank.

I am so disheartened and feel sick to my stomach. I feel like I wasted 4 years of hard work for nothing. I honestly feel like my blog was worth $150,000 before farmer, and now I'd be lucky if it's worth $500. I have over 10s of thousands of dollars invested in content, videos, outsourcing, advertising, and time...

My blog is top 3 in the industry, nobody can do what we do. And I am being punished by Google!

On a positive note, my Bing traffic and Facebook traffic has increased.

Google hates me!
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  • Profile picture of the author kiddoman
    It seems that you may miss some links and high-quality content? If you focus on these points, Google will not hate you.
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    • Profile picture of the author gearmonkey
      Originally Posted by kiddoman View Post

      It seems that you may miss some links and high-quality content? If you focus on these points, Google will not hate you.
      I don't think anyone's article quality is as good as mine. I think I pave the way in my industry.

      My blog has a unique name, yet all the domain names that resemble my blog's name are sold out because people are trying to infringe on my blog's name.

      For instance, e-bay.com is a desirable name because of ebay. ebay built a solid brand. My blog has a solid brand in the industry because of the quality.

      I am finding my content stolen all the time with no link back to the the original page. I report these piracy websites to google. I am personally responsible for peoples' banned adsense accounts and blacklisting in search engines, because I monitor and report all of my stolen content.
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  • Profile picture of the author Rach72
    It's a b****h when you have to rely on someone else for your business doesn't it?

    Have you asked Google? I know that some people have gone directly to Google and asked them what they need to do or what they have done wrong - sometimes it is a case that a human review will alter the ranking. You have nothing to lose.
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    • Profile picture of the author gearmonkey
      Originally Posted by Rach72 View Post

      It's a b****h when you have to rely on someone else for your business doesn't it?

      Have you asked Google? I know that some people have gone directly to Google and asked them what they need to do or what they have done wrong - sometimes it is a case that a human review will alter the ranking. You have nothing to lose.
      I've changed a bit of SEO direction and have been socializing on Facebook more. I really think in 5 years Facebook/Bing are going to be top players in the search world.
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  • Profile picture of the author gearmonkey
    I'm looking at a new domain and starting over from scratch. There are lots of desirable .co names available. I have a shiny new Thesis theme I recently bought... those are suppose to be great for SEO out of the box.

    I'm worried that my current wordpress theme (revolution by Brian Gardner - aka StudioPress) is outdated and causing issues that Google doesn't like.
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    • Profile picture of the author guitarjosh
      Originally Posted by gearmonkey View Post

      I'm looking at a new domain and starting over from scratch. There are lots of desirable .co names available. I have a shiny new Thesis theme I recently bought... those are suppose to be great for SEO out of the box.

      I'm worried that my current wordpress theme (revolution by Brian Gardner - aka StudioPress) is outdated and causing issues that Google doesn't like.
      Why do you say your blog is "top 3" in the industry? Everything you said right before that makes it sound like it's not doing too well. Top 3 for what?

      I seriously doubt any lack of Google love has anything to do with the Revolution theme. It's still considered one of the top. And why would you start over if you have that many backlinks and work dedicated to it?
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  • Profile picture of the author yukon
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    Originally Posted by gearmonkey View Post

    Google loves lots of high quality backlinks, right? Well good! I have some PR5 backlinks from trusted blogs in my niche! My blog has over 20,000 backlinks, including Wikipedia, eHow, manufacture websites, Yahoo answers, blogs, forums, twitter, facebook... incredibly endless list because my content/links spread like wildfire because my readers were spreading my links everywhere!
    Comments on Ehow are actually Facebook comments (It's an iframe).
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    • Profile picture of the author gearmonkey
      Originally Posted by yukon View Post

      Comments on Ehow are actually Facebook comments (It's an iframe).
      My site is included in eHow stories as references. They are basically stealing my work and re-writing it, then giving me a dofollow link back to the page they re-wrote.

      Originally Posted by guitarjosh View Post

      Why do you say your blog is "top 3" in the industry? Everything you said right before that makes it sound like it's not doing too well. Top 3 for what?

      I seriously doubt any lack of Google love has anything to do with the Revolution theme. It's still considered one of the top. And why would you start over if you have that many backlinks and work dedicated to it?
      It was top 3 in Google for any given keyword (reasonable competition) that I wrote a post about and published.

      My site is still top 3, just not in Google.com's eyes, I guess. I still get free music gear sent to me to review, I get to meet famous rock bands to interview and get their rig-rundown. A lot of my content gets used in Wikipedia because nobody can give the information that I can provide.

      My site also get guitars and gear donated from manufactures to giveaway. It seems my site has a lot of trust outside of Google.com.
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  • Profile picture of the author guitarjosh
    Are you talking about the site in your signature? Because it doesn't look like a site that has 10s of thousands of dollars in it.
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    • Profile picture of the author gearmonkey
      Originally Posted by guitarjosh View Post

      Are you talking about the site in your signature? Because it doesn't look like a site that has 10s of thousands of dollars in it.
      No, it's not the site in my signature. That's a vBulletin message forum, not WordPress. Nobody can steal any intensive keyword research from that site
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      • Profile picture of the author WilliamBerg
        Well since you say this all started with the farmer update and that you use word press the first thing that comes to my mind is tag pages. Are google allowed to index the tag pages? If so that is a likely culprit as it is seen as low quality content in the farmer update. Block the tag pages from being indexed in your robots txt. I would also consider nofollowing the tag links themself.

        There are a few other things it could be but this isthe most likely culprit from farmer problem in wordpress sites.
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        • Profile picture of the author gearmonkey
          Originally Posted by WilliamBerg View Post

          Well since you say this all started with the farmer update and that you use word press the first thing that comes to my mind is tag pages. Are google allowed to index the tag pages? If so that is a likely culprit as it is seen as low quality content in the farmer update. Block the tag pages from being indexed in your robots txt. I would also consider nofollowing the tag links themself.

          There are a few other things it could be but this isthe most likely culprit from farmer problem in wordpress sites.
          Thanks, I'll look into that. I have a plugin called "Robots Meta" installed that I thought was suppose to handle that.

          Edit:

          I also notice my 'Category' pages are PR2 - PR3. That shouldn't be. It seems my category pages are dofollow.

          I'm gonna have to rethink some things, I guess. Hard to believe these little things would be the culprit. But I'll try anything to get this resolved.
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  • Profile picture of the author Congrats
    Same thing happened to one of my sites. I have an original site started in 2006, it consists of hundreds of pages with original content and most of the pages have 1000+ words. It has also 25000 links to the main domain, all natural links, haven't done any link building.

    It received around 2500 uniques a day before April and after that i lost 50% of my traffic, now even more like what you say. Now it averages around 1000 unique visitors.

    And the worst thing like you say, adsense ads are worthless, they are not targeted anymore and lost 90% of the sites income.

    It's really disheartening to say the least.
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    • Profile picture of the author gearmonkey
      Originally Posted by Congrats View Post

      Same thing happened to one of my sites. I have an original site started in 2006, it consists of hundreds of pages with original content and most of the pages have 1000+ words. It has also 25000 links to the main domain, all natural links, haven't done any link building.

      It received around 2500 uniques a day before April and after that i lost 50% of my traffic, now even more like what you say. Now it averages around 1000 unique visitors.

      And the worst thing like you say, adsense ads are worthless, they are not targeted anymore and lost 90% of the sites income.

      It's really disheartening to say the least.

      Things I have done since farmer/panda:

      - Went through and tweaked posts, tweaked meta description/title

      - Deleted useless post tags, and cleaned that up. I deleted over 4,000 nonsense tags. My 'related posts' have seem to have improved because it works off tags

      -Fixed broken pages / 301 redirect

      - Deleted suspicious plugins that don't have much feedback online; I was afraid something was causing problems

      - Made sure XML-sitemap is working 100%

      - Posting on forums and blogs in my niche. Doing guess blog posts to help build 'white-hat' backlinks.

      - Tweaked robots.txt

      I have the Robots Meta plugin which I thought was suppose to help with the nofollow noindex tags/category and admin pages. When I check site:myblog.com into google, I still see category and tags. I checked my competator who are ranking well, and they have tags and categories too. Hard to believe the tags/categories are the problem when my competitors are doing just fine. but I am cleaning this up. Proabably take some time for Google to see the updates.

      I'm also going to install the wordpress google panda plugin that suppose to help with those above issues.
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  • Profile picture of the author seoforu
    Well the farmer update was done to penalize sites that are content farms and I can guess from your saying that your site contains a lot of content right? The problem is the pages which were used to rank previously because of just content got a jolt and were pushed down the rankings-same thing happened with about.com . Therefore you lost the visitors.Now the point to note is wikipedia still holds the rankings and it contains just content. I think you need to get some backlinks to all your pages instead of just your home page.Increasing the pagerank of the inner pages would help in increasing the rankings and hence traffic.
    Search engines are getting smarter with every passing day
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  • Profile picture of the author arie_ds
    I am sorry for your loss, I have also lost my websites ranking. But since your websites have full or unique articles, I believe the traffic will come back.
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  • Profile picture of the author RustyF
    Where did you get your 20,000 backlinks?

    You seem to know what your doing, I know I've never had a 100,000 site.

    JC Penny got busted to oblivion for link farms. I don't think it is your plugins. I don't think it is your tags (But checkout SEO Platinum, it might help you get rid of some of those others you're using). I had a problem with categories for a while, couldn't figure out what I was doing wrong but Webmaster tools was showing thousands of duplicate meta descriptions and titles. I still ranked well. Finally figured out I shouldn't have clicked canonical in SEO platinum as someone told me to do. That cleared that up. Clearly I had a conflicting setting but I didn't understand so I just did away with it. But it didn't matter.

    Since your content is unique, it could also be how much advertising you had on your site. Part of the Panda update targeted that.

    My major question remains to be did you get busted for building backlinks in the wrong way?

    I've got a tiny little site that was making a few hundred a month. Then boom, Google slapped. Then it came back for a couple of days and google slapped it again. Then it came back again. LOL I wonder how it will do tomorrow. It is like Google keeps slapping it but it just pops right back up. I wonder if they are on to my backlinking.... If so, I'm surprised it bounced back up.

    Since you've got your site in Webmaster tools, I really would contact Google as someone else suggested. Yeah, I know it is risky but you probably can't hurt yourself in this case. Google already knows your other sites.

    What has happened to you is a huge fear of mine since I've only got one site doing well. I need to expand.
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    • Profile picture of the author gearmonkey
      Originally Posted by RustyF View Post

      Where did you get your 20,000 backlinks?

      You seem to know what your doing, I know I've never had a 100,000 site.

      JC Penny got busted to oblivion for link farms. I don't think it is your plugins. I don't think it is your tags (But checkout SEO Platinum, it might help you get rid of some of those others you're using). I had a problem with categories for a while, couldn't figure out what I was doing wrong but Webmaster tools was showing thousands of duplicate meta descriptions and titles. I still ranked well. Finally figured out I shouldn't have clicked canonical in SEO platinum as someone told me to do. That cleared that up. Clearly I had a conflicting setting but I didn't understand so I just did away with it. But it didn't matter.

      Since your content is unique, it could also be how much advertising you had on your site. Part of the Panda update targeted that.

      My major question remains to be did you get busted for building backlinks in the wrong way?

      I've got a tiny little site that was making a few hundred a month. Then boom, Google slapped. Then it came back for a couple of days and google slapped it again. Then it came back again. LOL I wonder how it will do tomorrow. It is like Google keeps slapping it but it just pops right back up. I wonder if they are on to my backlinking.... If so, I'm surprised it bounced back up.

      Since you've got your site in Webmaster tools, I really would contact Google as someone else suggested. Yeah, I know it is risky but you probably can't hurt yourself in this case. Google already knows your other sites.

      What has happened to you is a huge fear of mine since I've only got one site doing well. I need to expand.

      Mostly from other blogs/forums. Many from Wiki, eHow (sourcing my page) and other various places. Though, some inner pages have links from automated software; links that would make JC Penny blush, though not as heavy.

      I do have a number of ads, it's how I support the site. If I need to remove ads to increase my SERPs, then Adsense is the first to go! But I really hope the ads are not the problem.

      For the Farmer/Panda update, I can probably find something wrong with my site in every category that was speculated by SEO guys that 'could' be the problem. Including duplicate content since I had a plugin that syndicated my content right to Ezinearticles. I am removing these articles from ezine and my website, still have 39 left to weed through.

      I've read / watched interviews with the Google team and Matt Cutts, it seems they are extremely vague on a lot of things. Nothing is black and white, which makes trying to find the 'fix' even more frustrating. I don't want to destroy good things that might have been helping. I am unsure what the the real culprit is.... even tweaking now might not make a difference for a coupe weeks. This is very time consuming and frustrating.

      What's funny is my autoblogs keep chugging along just as strong as ever... like there was no Google update.

      I do have some dup content that associates me with Ezine, so I was thinking that was the problem (and Ezine still offer this plugin to wordpress user, and I feel like the only one hit since I can't find other folks complaining)

      I do have some crappy .edu / forum / blog backlinks, but how can backlinks hurt? It's not on a mass scale like JC Penny.
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    • Profile picture of the author gearmonkey
      Originally Posted by sunumariam View Post

      I found this post from the Google blog.. hope it will be helpful.

      Official Google Webmaster Central Blog: More guidance on building high-quality sites
      That was a great read! I didn't so much enjoy how useless, vague and repetitive the actual article was, but how entertaining the comments are.

      By Google's standard, that article should not rank in Google's own SERPs. I can say if that article is the standard of quality for what Google is looking for, then I shouldn't have any worries!

      "if you want to step into Google's mindset, the questions below provide some guidance on how we've been looking at the issue: "

      Does this article have spelling, stylistic, or factual errors?
      No, there are grammatical errors and there is many factual errors. I can prove it.

      Does the page provide substantial value when compared to other pages in search results?
      No, I found better information on SEO blogs...

      Does the article describe both sides of a story?
      Are you kidding. this article is damage control, with no real substance.

      For a health related query, would you trust information from this site?
      Blogspot? $@*^ NO!

      Does this article provide a complete or comprehensive description of the topic?
      Absolutely not!

      Does this article contain insightful analysis or interesting information that is beyond obvious?
      If useless means "insightful analysis", and shallow means "interesting information" then sure.

      Is this the sort of page you’d want to bookmark, share with a friend, or recommend?
      I would share it with my friends so they can point and laugh at the comments. The article itself is sad.

      Does this article have an excessive amount of ads that distract from or interfere with the main content?
      No, but Google.com does. I don't enjoy seeing adsense on every search query, or YouTube in top 5 in every search query. Google.com shouldn't have adsense on search pages. It's distracting to me, as a user.

      Would you expect to see this article in a printed magazine, encyclopedia or book?
      Magazines and encyclopedia wouldn't post this drivel. I would expect them to research and find the facts and truths! Not help Google.com with damage control.

      Are the articles short, unsubstantial, or otherwise lacking in helpful specifics?
      Because your article is reduntant, so are my answers. This article is useless and not helpful at all. In fact, it's less than helpful because its talking in circles and hypocritical.

      Would users complain when they see pages from this site?
      Well, there are so many comments of users complaining that it took forever for the page to load. And I have fast internet. Everyone is complaining, even me!

      Welp, there you have it. By Google's standards, Blogspot.com should be deindexed and sandboxed because of this one, useless, redundant article.
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  • Profile picture of the author RustyF
    I understand the ads, lets face it, we wouldn't be providing great content if we couldn't make money. 90% of the web would go away.

    I think EzineArtilces stopped allowing submissions with their plugin. I have an article that I used with that plugin a couple of years ago. It got me a lot of traffic. The only time I really got much from EZA. I find them more work than the value I get from them. That article ranks number three on Google, the one from EZA. The same article on my blog, almost exact wording ranks number 5. The duplicate content penalty is for duplicate content on the same site. At least that is what most say, Google has said it. Yet the Panda update which attacked content farms went after autoblogs. It isn't making sense to me if duplicate content is only on the same site. You know, I just talked myself into something, duplicate content is no longer about being in the same site only. if that's true, article marketing is in trouble!

    I think it is your links. Just as guess but since that may have been what got you the boost it would seem most likely what caused the problem. I use some semi automated methods too. It worries me.

    I've seen some evidence that Google favors the rankings of those in their ad networks or affiliate network. Some of those sites seem to rank higher than what seems like they should.

    I watched the Matt Curtis videos too, he spoke a lot of ads. I think but I have no proof that Google is favoring longer articles now too. It would make sense, 300 word articles are usually there to sell something. They even mentioned using privacy for domain registration, I turned some of mine off for that reason.

    I think I mentioned my site they keep slapping and it keeps bouncing back, it has been slapped again, happened about mid day yesterday. Frustrating as it makes money when it is doing well. Seems some find it of use. Automated backlinks, but I have to submit the links but they tend to grow over time. 2/3 original content 1/3 taken from product specs and an affiliate site but with content. I have not updated it lately. You know in my case that might be it. I did make some small changes to the site and it started doing well again for about a week. It isn't easy to od for an affiliate site with only about 10 products to promote. I'm going to look for a way and see what happens. But the site is also going head to head with some Google favorites. Why does it bounce back and then get smacked again? I think Google's favorites don't like a small timer being able to compete with them. I can't now, the site is dead again.

    Ten years ago I did well with affiliate sites and then not so good. Times changed and I didn't. Recently got back into it, think I understand what to do now, no big secret. Focus! I really don't like doing those kinds of sites though. Hard to be creative when it is just to make a buck. At least for me. I'm going to have to work harder on creative. I also need to make more money so I can buy some of those expensive items I review. Catch 22.

    Mat Curtis said in one of his videos something like don't do what Suite101 did. I looked at their site, I don't see a lot of ads now. The articles around the net say it was their ads. Maybe they toned it back but when I go to their site, I don't know what their site is about.

    I've been very tempted to try an autoblog using an Amazon plugin. One doesn't see as many of those ranking well though and one former autoblog king pronounced it dead.

    On the other hand, not long ago there was a post on WF where a guy setup to two sites for affiliate promotion. One hand made and one autoblog. His autoblog did better and he really did't want it to work out that way.
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  • Profile picture of the author gearmonkey
    I removed all my ads and sent a reconsideration request to Google. My site does have a lot of ads, but they weren't destracting IMO. I feel like they were well placed.
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  • I thinks you are missing quality of content
    ? Are you rewriting any other post ?
    If yes stop doing that
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