Adsense Account Disabled Today

by Tizzko
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Been an adsense member for about 4 years now, never had a problem. I had about $1400 in my account for the month of June and got an email today that it has been disabled. Never had any invalid clicks, no black hat methods. Nothing. Just poof, all my current earnings for the months of June and all my potential earnings have gone down the drain. Was averaging about $1900 per month.
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  • Profile picture of the author GeorgR.
    I keep repeating it over and over.

    Adsense got VERY strict and there are MANY reasons why a site could be against AdSense TOS. I see so many site layouts and (well meant) "Tips" which are ultimately already against TOS...and all it needs is a manual review (which might come sooner or later) and you are GONE.

    Keep using bad site navigation, "fake" menus (link units), low quality MFA sites, use so called High CTR themes (blues sense etc.)...and then after a few months come crawling here to the forums and crying that the AdSense account has been disabled.

    MOST of those example sites from very known and established Adsense courses are basically already AGAINST AdSense TOS and would NEVER survive a manual review.

    Example:

    * Content not wrapped around ad COULD already be one reason for a ban. Headlines can never be on top of ads - which they usually are if you do NOT wrap your content "around" the ad.

    * Link units on places where there is usually a menu plus bad navigation. All kinds of tricks which will lead to LESS converting ads and bad user experience, site navigation.

    Yes, it will give you higher CTR, but it wont have any use once you are banned.

    * Wrong Terms, Privacy Policy (not mentioning Google Dart Cookie etc.)

    * Trash traffic with low CPC clicks, ads not converting (3rd world countries traffic etc.)

    Even as a PRO i am amazed how easy it is to get many of those things wrong, believing that a site layout is 100% "ok" but finding out it still has elements which could be already against AdSense TOS.

    Google: IS YOUR CLIENT if you do AdSense. They have no reason to be tolerant or mild on you if they spot inconsistencies with your site, traffic, conversions, content etc.

    Google is using YOUR site for their business...so look over YOUR OWN sites and think about it why they should advertise on YOUR site and what benefits they (Google) have in terms of traffic quality, conversions etc. by using YOUR site.
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    • Profile picture of the author Jeremy Banks
      Originally Posted by GeorgR. View Post

      I keep repeating it over and over.




      Example:

      * Content not wrapped around ad COULD already be one reason for a ban. Headlines can never be on top of ads - which they usually are if you do NOT wrap your content "around" the ad.
      Here is a post from google touching on that for anyone interested in learning more. I am sure a lot of people do this to increase CTR

      Another look at optimizations - Inside AdSense
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      • Profile picture of the author GeorgR.
        Originally Posted by Jeremy Banks View Post

        Here is a post from google touching on that for anyone interested in learning more. I am sure a lot of people do this to increase CTR

        Another look at optimizations - Inside AdSense
        And we see those (bad) examples all the time used in the latest and greatest Adsense "training courses" and/or Adsense themes sold.

        Do they KNOW they are basically already banned? It's really only a matter of time until someone looks over those sites.

        Typical example is that someone runs such sites/themes for a year or later..then he gets a review...and then is surprised because he says "i was working with adsense for over a year already, never had a problem...now they disabled my account without a reason".

        And heck, it could be really as trivial as some Adsense employee having a bad day.....and it doesnt matter whether other people "do this too"...because if it HITS YOU and you lose a multi thousand dollar business...what do you do?

        Read the TOS twice, three times...and realize how really strict they are when it comes to layouts. And so many sites do not even remotely comply.
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    • Profile picture of the author dp40oz
      Originally Posted by GeorgR. View Post

      I keep repeating it over and over.

      Adsense got VERY strict and there are MANY reasons why a site could be against AdSense TOS. I see so many site layouts and (well meant) "Tips" which are ultimately already against TOS...and all it needs is a manual review (which might come sooner or later) and you are GONE.

      Keep using bad site navigation, "fake" menus (link units), low quality MFA sites, use so called High CTR themes (blues sense etc.)...and then after a few months come crawling here to the forums and crying that the AdSense account has been disabled.

      MOST of those example sites from very known and established Adsense courses are basically already AGAINST AdSense TOS and would NEVER survive a manual review.

      Example:

      * Content not wrapped around ad COULD already be one reason for a ban. Headlines can never be on top of ads - which they usually are if you do NOT wrap your content "around" the ad.

      * Link units on places where there is usually a menu plus bad navigation. All kinds of tricks which will lead to LESS converting ads and bad user experience, site navigation.

      Yes, it will give you higher CTR, but it wont have any use once you are banned.

      * Wrong Terms, Privacy Policy (not mentioning Google Dart Cookie etc.)

      * Trash traffic with low CPC clicks, ads not converting (3rd world countries traffic etc.)

      Even as a PRO i am amazed how easy it is to get many of those things wrong, believing that a site layout is 100% "ok" but finding out it still has elements which could be already against AdSense TOS.

      Google: IS YOUR CLIENT if you do AdSense. They have no reason to be tolerant or mild on you if they spot inconsistencies with your site, traffic, conversions, content etc.

      Google is using YOUR site for their business...so look over YOUR OWN sites and think about it why they should advertise on YOUR site and what benefits they (Google) have in terms of traffic quality, conversions etc. by using YOUR site.
      5. Prohibited Uses. You shall not, and shall not authorize or encourage any third party to: (i) directly or indirectly generate queries, Referral Events, or impressions of or clicks on any Ad, Link, Search Result, or Referral Button (including without limitation by clicking on "play" for any video Ad) through any automated, deceptive, fraudulent or other invalid means, including but not limited to through repeated manual clicks, the use of robots or other automated query tools and/or computer generated search requests, and/or the unauthorized use of other search engine optimization services and/or software; (ii) edit, modify, filter, truncate or change the order of the information contained in any Ad, Link, Ad Unit, Search Result, or Referral Button, or remove, obscure or minimize any Ad, Link, Ad Unit, Search Result, or Referral Button in any way without authorization from Google; (iii) frame, minimize, remove or otherwise inhibit the full and complete display of any Web page accessed by an end user after clicking on any part of an Ad ("Advertiser Page"), any Search Results Page, or any Referral Page; (iv) redirect an end user away from any Advertiser Page, Search Results Page, or Referral Page; provide a version of the Advertiser Page, Search Results Page, or Referral Page that is different from the page an end user would access by going directly to the Advertiser Page, Search Results Page, or Referral Page; intersperse any content between the Ad and the Advertiser Page, between the page containing the Search Box and the Search Results Page, or between the Referral Button and the Referral Page; or otherwise provide anything other than a direct link from an Ad to an Advertiser Page, from the page containing the Search Box to the Search Results Page, or from the Referral Button to the Referral Page; (v) display any Ad(s), Link(s), or Referral Button(s) on any Web page or any Web site that contains any pornographic, hate-related, violent, or illegal content; (vi) directly or indirectly access, launch, and/or activate Ads, Links, Search Results, or Referral Buttons through or from, or otherwise incorporate the Ads, Links, Search Results, or Referral Buttons in, any software application, Web site, or other means other than Your Property(ies), and then only to the extent expressly permitted by this Agreement; (vii) "crawl", "spider", index or in any non-transitory manner store or cache information obtained from any Ads, Links, Search Results, or Referral Events, or any part, copy, or derivative thereto; (viii) act in any way that violates any Program Policies posted on the Google Web Site, as may be revised from time to time, or any other agreement between You and Google (including without limitation the Google AdWords program terms); (ix) disseminate malware; (x) create a new account to use the Program after Google has terminated this Agreement with You as a result of your breach of this Agreement; or (xi) engage in any action or practice that reflects poorly on Google or otherwise disparages or devalues Google's reputation or goodwill. You acknowledge that any attempted participation or violation of any of the foregoing is a material breach of this Agreement and that we may pursue any and all applicable legal and equitable remedies against You, including an immediate suspension of Your account or termination of this Agreement, and the pursuit of all available civil or criminal remedies.

      I don't see anything that talks about page design in the manner you've described. I just read the whole TOS. Maybe I missed it, its definitely possible.

      Also that Google Blog post is not in the TOS and was just a Google suggestion not a rule.
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      • Profile picture of the author Fraggler
        Originally Posted by dp40oz View Post

        I don't see anything that talks about page design in the manner you've described. I just read the whole TOS. Maybe I missed it, its definitely possible.

        Also that Google Blog post is not in the TOS and was just a Google suggestion not a rule.
        You got to point 5 without seeing and reading the URL in point 1?

        Program Participation. Participation in the Program is subject to Google’s prior approval and Your continued compliance with the Program Policies ("Program Policies"), located at https://www.google.com/adsense/policies, and/or such other URL as Google may provide from time to time. Google reserves the right to refuse participation to any applicant or participant at any time in its sole discretion. By enrolling in the Program, You represent that You are at least 18 years of age and agree that Google may serve (a) third party and/or Google provided advertisements and/or other content (such third party provided advertisements, Google provided advertisements and other content, collectively, "Ads"),
        The policies are where Google talks abuot misleading clicks and page design. Google uses their blog to help AdSense publishers understand the lawyer talk. It is up to you to use some common sense though.

        Google doesn't want their customers to be mislead. It's as simple as that. If they are interested in the ad then they will click the ad - this is what advertisers expect.

        A lot of the time ads that stick out as ads will get the higher click through rate as it lets the reader actually see them. The advertisers usually know how to write good copy; let the readers see them and they will get clicked. Tricking them is a false economy.

        To the OP:

        If you were acyually making $1900/month with Adsense then you should have the traffic levels to adapt to a different monetisation method. Look at selling industry specific CPM ads for starters, if your site is actually quality and an advertiser will get value from the exposure.
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    • Profile picture of the author RuthBabe
      Originally Posted by GeorgR. View Post

      I keep repeating it over and over.

      Example:

      * Content not wrapped around ad COULD already be one reason for a ban. Headlines can never be on top of ads - which they usually are if you do NOT wrap your content "around" the ad.
      What about if the adsense is wrapped and is located below the post title (left or right) is it also prohibited?
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      • Profile picture of the author markowe
        Originally Posted by RuthBabe View Post

        What about if the adsense is wrapped and is located below the post title (left or right) is it also prohibited?
        Again, they are not giving hard-and-fast rules about this stuff - whenever you give clear prohibitions like that you will get people trying to find loopholes, so a lot of this stuff is left deliberately vague. What is clear from the blog post is that your ad placement in relation to your article title should NOT mislead the user into thinking the ad is related to the heading.

        I am certainly not going to say what is and isn't OK, but FWIW if they started banning everybody who flows their ad units into their article text below a headline they would have to ban most Adsense publishers. For that matter you can probably get away with placing ads directly between header and article, like the whole Xfactor method recommended, provided there is no intent to mislead, but they are certainly not going to say that, are they, and I would rather not place them like that because it gets me too high a CTR and I fear my sites will start yielding a low conversion rate and get smart-priced or worse.

        Still, look at Google's OWN Adsense heatmap: Where should I place Google ads on my pages? - AdSense Help - if you placed ads in some of the places they show there your site would look like the worst MFA on earth - take from that what you will!
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      • Profile picture of the author GeorgR.
        Originally Posted by RuthBabe View Post

        What about if the adsense is wrapped and is located below the post title (left or right) is it also prohibited?
        If the content is wrapped it usually turns out with about HALF of the title/headline above the ads and the other half above content. This is ok.

        But according to them its not ok to simply put a big ads box on top of content, with the entire headline above the ad. I didnt know that either since MANY people do this. But its not allowed.


        There are more "issues" where people might not even realize that it could cause problems. For example, on a typical blog/site if you put a ad right into the content.

        To be really 100% "safe" you would actually need a separator line so there is no doubt that the ad is not part of the content...ESPECIALLY if you use the same coloring as the rest of the site.

        Those are all minor things and i think each particular *per se* might not cause an issue, the problem really depending on the mood of whoever might review your site..and if a bunch of those factors could be found on your site.

        Remember that Google's intention might be 100% opposite of yours:

        * Google wants targeted and converting clicks.
        * YOU want the "highest CTR" you can get

        Those two don't go together well. Rest assured that a site with exceptional high CTR could mean many clicks which were not intended. Those wont convert. (Needless to say the same thing applies for "self clicking" or whatever other way of fraud clicks).

        Now...its a given they have stats for web sites and can easily see how a site's clicks convert, what a site is ultimately WORTH for them to have ads on there.

        And its also a given that they might have triggers in place which sooner or later might raise a red flag...heck all that stuff could even happen automatically with an auto-ban of your site/account once you reach critical numbers for conversions etc.
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        • Profile picture of the author Carl Brown
          Originally Posted by GeorgR. View Post

          If the content is wrapped it usually turns out with about HALF of the title/headline above the ads and the other half above content. This is ok.

          But according to them its not ok to simply put a big ads box on top of content, with the entire headline above the ad. I didnt know that either since MANY people do this. But its not allowed.
          I used to use the 160x600 on the left in it's own column. Since I read how xfactor does it, I now use 2 250x250, one over the other wrapped on the left. I also follow his advice and place the hr tag to separate the title from the content and then ads.

          Paulgl is technically right, but it's the heavy handed approach google uses that has most of us worried.
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    • Profile picture of the author paulgl
      Originally Posted by GeorgR. View Post


      Even as a PRO i am amazed how easy it is to get many of those things wrong, believing that a site layout is 100% "ok" but finding out it still has elements which could be already against AdSense TOS.
      I'm no PRO, but keep learning and digging daily.

      Amazing how people refuse to consider all cases when google can't possibly
      give every friggn example of a violation. Common sense must apply.

      I am also amazed that people swear they do nothing wrong, etc., even
      crow about never getting invalid clicks. Fat chance. I get them daily.
      There is no way you can avoid it. Invalid clicks will not get you a ban
      unless you have 1,000 clicks and 1,000 invalid. (Hyperbole on purpose
      for point)

      If you login and see 40 clicks and $50, you have no idea if you had
      an invalid click. That is until the end of the month and your earnings
      are finalized lower. I see mine lowered each month. I can't see how
      a person who makes decent money on adsense will not get invalid
      clicks.

      Google undoubtedly credits money back to advertisers. Why wouldn't they?
      They pride themselves on giving paying customers a decent ROI. Anything
      that lowers ROI google takes seriously. Do they refund money in all cases?
      Of course not. If you violate the terms, but had valid clicks, they keep
      the money from you, but probably do not need to credit back an advertiser.

      They keep "your" money because of your stupidity. You violate the terms,
      they have no legal reason to pay you. You agreed to this when you signed
      up. Yes, I know. Nobody reads shinola. Prisons are full of innocent people.

      Robbed? Come on. The money was never yours in the first place. As soon
      as you get a me, me, mine mentality about adsense, you are going down
      a tricky path. It is a privilege to earn with adsense, not a right. That
      privilege can be revoked anytime.

      All TOS could be summed up by GeorgR
      Google: IS YOUR CLIENT if you do AdSense. They have no reason to be tolerant or mild on you if they spot inconsistencies with your site, traffic, conversions, content etc.
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      • Profile picture of the author dp40oz
        Originally Posted by paulgl View Post

        Robbed? Come on. The money was never yours in the first place. As soon
        as you get a me, me, mine mentality about adsense, you are going down
        a tricky path. It is a privilege to earn with adsense, not a right. That
        privilege can be revoked anytime.
        This is the exact mentality that allows Google to get away with this garbage. If all webmasters walked away from adsense right now Googles stock would tank and they'd lose almost the majority of their business. Its not our privilege its a partnership. If anyone actually challenged their TOS legally they probably would get paid for those final valid clicks that Google has "robbed" them of but who's gonna challenge the all mighty Google in court for $1500?

        To stand by a huge business like this and claim that they have the rights to do what ever they want is just naive. They've never been seriously challenged legally on anything and now there are huge civil lawsuits mounting for Google. This is fact. Things will change in the next few years. The days of Google's "vague" legal documents are coming to an end. You've said it yourself time and time again, "be smart", "don't do stupid things that Google can interpret as bad" ect.. Well Google has done just that with all these "vague" TOS's and guidelines and now webmasters are finally legally challenging them. Things are changing and this is not right no matter how you slice it. They've taken this mans money that he earned for Google and himself and have given him no reason and no proof. If you think this will stand up in court just watch the next few years pan out.
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        • Profile picture of the author dp40oz
          I would also like to mention that this comes from experience. I challenged Myspace's TOS agreement and won. These things are not the end all be all.

          I also always like to point to Myspace when people talk about Google's flawless ways and how they are "too big to fail" so to speak. 4 years ago Myspace was one of the top 3 websites in the world and had been for years. Their attempt at over policing their system, having captcha codes everywhere, their ignorance to ever listen to the user, their idea that users don't matter at all ect.. ect.. all lead to their massive and quick downfall. Hmmmm some of these things are starting to sound a bit familiar.
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          • Profile picture of the author Carl Brown
            From your lips to God's ears

            There is definitely a problem. If only from a business perspective. I think Google is leaving themselves wide open for a better competitor.

            I'm just trying to hold out until they ban everyone and have to start over. Or until one of the adsense alternatives can compete.
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          • Profile picture of the author yukon
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            Originally Posted by dp40oz View Post

            I would also like to mention that this comes from experience. I challenged Myspace's TOS agreement and won. These things are not the end all be all.

            I also always like to point to Myspace when people talk about Google's flawless ways and how they are "too big to fail" so to speak. 4 years ago Myspace was one of the top 3 websites in the world and had been for years. Their attempt at over policing their system, having captcha codes everywhere, their ignorance to ever listen to the user, their idea that users don't matter at all ect.. ect.. all lead to their massive and quick downfall. Hmmmm some of these things are starting to sound a bit familiar.
            Facebook is what killed MySpace, it was a huge migration.

            I know this for a fact based on every single female I know (family & friends). They were all on MySpace & then it was like over night the migration to Facebook happend.

            Live by the web, die by the web!

            MySpace R.I.P.
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            • Profile picture of the author dp40oz
              Originally Posted by yukon View Post

              Facebook is what killed MySpace, it was a huge migration.

              I know this for a fact based on every single female I know (family & friends). They were all on MySpace & then it was like over night the migration to Facebook happend.

              Live by the web, die by the web!

              MySpace R.I.P.
              Facebook was around for years before Myspace collapsed. Yes there was a huge migration, I was apart of that migration personally but there were warning signs for years, things Myspace could have listened to and they didn't. If people think Google is too big to fail then take a look at the history of the internet. Lets just see if Steve Jobs ever get into search and PPC advertising. Google will be begging us to use adsense.
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              • Profile picture of the author yukon
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                Originally Posted by dp40oz View Post

                Facebook was around for years before Myspace collapsed. Yes there was a huge migration, I was apart of that migration personally but there were warning signs for years, things Myspace could have listened to and they didn't. If people think Google is too big to fail then take a look at the history of the internet. Lets just see if Steve Jobs ever get into search and PPC advertising. Google will be begging us to use adsense.
                Sure, everything fails sooner or later.

                Just like MySpace, Google & Facebook both will fail sometime in the future.

                The reason sites fail, is when something new & better comes along.

                No other PPC has tried to challenge Google Adsense, I mean really challenge them, with higher pub. payouts, easier application process, etc...

                The reason Google Adsense hasn't been challenged, is because Google owns two of the largest sources of free traffic (Google Search + Youtube).

                No other PPC can even come close to that. Facebook might be able to If they restructured & provided a new search engine, they might have a chance to topple Google Search, Facebook has the traffic.

                I don't see Adsense failing anytime soon, considering no other PPC has the same amount of resources as Google.
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                • Profile picture of the author dp40oz
                  Originally Posted by yukon View Post

                  I don't see Adsense failing anytime soon, considering no other PPC has the same amount of resources as Google.
                  I don't either but I do think there are openings. If Apple decided to build a search engine that was included within the safari toolbar on both Mac's, iPhones and iPads I think overnight you'd see a huge chunk of Googles traffic taken out. Bing has already started to make a little headway and Microsoft isn't what Apple is anymore. I think mobile PPC can be a game changer and someone new could come out on top of that. Who knows, all I know is Google isn't winning any browny points with Webmasters and their dealings with adsense. A viable alternative would be welcomed by all..... As I slowly browse to my adsense report for the 127th time today
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        • Profile picture of the author paulgl
          Originally Posted by dp40oz View Post

          This is the exact mentality that allows Google to get away with this garbage. If all webmasters walked away from adsense right now Googles stock would tank and they'd lose almost the majority of their business. Its not our privilege its a partnership. If anyone actually challenged their TOS legally they probably would get paid for those final valid clicks that Google has "robbed" them of but who's gonna challenge the all mighty Google in court for $1500?
          People should not sign up for a FREE program, not read the rules, violate them,
          and them scream "Robbed!"

          Google does not have vague rules. People think they are vague, and
          work in the shadows. Not a good idea.

          Google cannot spell out each and every what-if. They have catch all rules.
          The biggest? If you agree to put adsense on your site, then you agree
          to each and every google webmaster guideline. Did you know that?
          Most people don't realize they can't violate another google product
          in conjunction with adsense.

          That means, in short, using gmail, youtube, blogspot, etc. for any
          adsense revenue, and you violate the terms of those individual programs,
          you could be toast.

          For example, you open a blogpsot blog and post nothing but youtube
          videos. You have now violated youtube by making your site nothing
          more than a youtube video site. But when people get canceled, they
          scream, "Wait! I did no black hat, no invalid clicks, no nothing...."
          WRONG!

          If you choose to use a free program like google, you dang well better
          make sure you know each and everything you are not supposed to do.
          Ignorance is no excuse.

          Just yesterday some chap is arguing that you can use copyrighted
          images just by giving the source. The bloke would not listen. he
          was convinced that it is legal to use any images...well, go on
          with your bad self. Google states no copyright infringement on
          adsense sites....*sigh*

          Never, ever, ever have I ever said I am an expert. Far from it.
          That's what keeps me reading the adsense blog.

          I also remember a couple of weeks ago I found that google did
          not want adsense on pages where people can post unmoderated
          comments, read: spam. To me, I would follow that to the letter.
          Don't put adsense on any comments page. Spam comes in all
          forms. Does not have to be links. BUT....it was astonishing how many
          people had a flippant attitude, brushed it off, and said, "well...I'll
          delete any spam comments." Completely missed the point!
          Did not say if you delete spammed comments in the future....it was
          all about allowing! To me, I would not approve any comments! How do
          I know which ones google thinks is spam?!?!

          Over and over it is astonishing how many people will not read, or
          continue to push google's buttons by trying to get around the rules!

          But hey, the adsense bans keep the forum lively, don't they?

          Keep on truckin!

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          • Profile picture of the author dp40oz
            Originally Posted by paulgl View Post

            People should not sign up for a FREE program, not read the rules, violate them,
            and them scream "Robbed!"

            Google does not have vague rules. People think they are vague, and
            work in the shadows. Not a good idea.

            Google cannot spell out each and every what-if. They have catch all rules.
            The biggest? If you agree to put adsense on your site, then you agree
            to each and every google webmaster guideline. Did you know that?
            Most people don't realize they can't violate another google product
            in conjunction with adsense.

            That means, in short, using gmail, youtube, blogspot, etc. for any
            adsense revenue, and you violate the terms of those individual programs,
            you could be toast.

            For example, you open a blogpsot blog and post nothing but youtube
            videos. You have now violated youtube by making your site nothing
            more than a youtube video site. But when people get canceled, they
            scream, "Wait! I did no black hat, no invalid clicks, no nothing...."
            WRONG!

            If you choose to use a free program like google, you dang well better
            make sure you know each and everything you are not supposed to do.
            Ignorance is no excuse.

            Just yesterday some chap is arguing that you can use copyrighted
            images just by giving the source. The bloke would not listen. he
            was convinced that it is legal to use any images...well, go on
            with your bad self. Google states no copyright infringement on
            adsense sites....*sigh*

            Never, ever, ever have I ever said I am an expert. Far from it.
            That's what keeps me reading the adsense blog.

            I also remember a couple of weeks ago I found that google did
            not want adsense on pages where people can post unmoderated
            comments, read: spam. To me, I would follow that to the letter.
            Don't put adsense on any comments page. Spam comes in all
            forms. Does not have to be links. BUT....it was astonishing how many
            people had a flippant attitude, brushed it off, and said, "well...I'll
            delete any spam comments." Completely missed the point!
            Did not say if you delete spammed comments in the future....it was
            all about allowing! To me, I would not approve any comments! How do
            I know which ones google thinks is spam?!?!

            Over and over it is astonishing how many people will not read, or
            continue to push google's buttons by trying to get around the rules!

            But hey, the adsense bans keep the forum lively, don't they?

            Keep on truckin!

            Paul
            All true and valid points. The one thing though is just because the TOS says Google doesn't have to pay you the money earned doesn't make it completely legal. If they give all money back to advertisers thats fine but if they take your money for valid clicks and don't pay you that would be very very hard for them to defend in court.

            Just because its on paper doesn't make it legal. You and I can sign a contract saying im allowed to break into your house and steal all your stuff and lock your dog in the basement but that doesn't make those things legal. Just because Google says they don't have to pay you doesn't make it true.
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              Originally Posted by dp40oz View Post

              Just because its on paper doesn't make it legal. You and I can sign a contract saying im allowed to break into your house and steal all your stuff and lock your dog in the basement but that doesn't make those things legal. Just because Google says they don't have to pay you doesn't make it true.
              Because it's their money. It's their program. It's their risk. It's their business.

              You agreed to the contract. They did not twist your arm or hold a gun to
              your head.

              I'm sure google has enough money to pay lawyers to draw up iron-clad
              legal terms.

              Just because you don't like the terms after the fact, does not
              negate the terms. Or you simply did not read the contract.

              Paul
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  • Profile picture of the author Tizzko
    Now that I don't have adsense, I want to sell my sites, but the problem now is that I can't log into my adsense acocunt to show proof of earnings. That sucks.
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    • Profile picture of the author Jeremy Banks
      Originally Posted by Tizzko View Post

      Now that I don't have adsense, I want to sell my sites, but the problem now is that I can't log into my adsense acocunt to show proof of earnings. That sucks.
      Sounds like a trap! Even if it isn't "hey buy my sites that got my adsense account banned so your account can be banned too!" Either way it's a bad idea!
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      • Profile picture of the author Tizzko
        Originally Posted by Jeremy Banks View Post

        Sounds like a trap! Even if it isn't "hey buy my sites that got my adsense account banned so your account can be banned too!" Either way it's a bad idea!
        I see where you are coming from, but anyone in this field who is buying sites can see that my sites are legit, professional, and have high quality articles and themes on them. But, again I see where you are coming from.
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    • Profile picture of the author yukon
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      Originally Posted by Tizzko View Post

      Now that I don't have adsense, I want to sell my sites, but the problem now is that I can't log into my adsense acocunt to show proof of earnings. That sucks.
      That's hardcore If you sell/advertise those sites as Adsense sites, & don't tell the buyer straight up, those sites had your Adsense Ads on them when your Adsense account was banned.

      The first thing Adsense/Google will think is, the new owner of the site is you (instead of the new owner) & you have multiple Adsense accounts (against TOS). Then the new owner will get his Adsense account banned.
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      • Profile picture of the author jerytohn
        Originally Posted by yukon View Post

        That's hardcore If you sell/advertise those sites as Adsense sites, & don't tell the buyer straight up, those sites had your Adsense Ads on them when your Adsense account was banned.

        The first thing Adsense/Google will think is, the new owner of the site is you (instead of the new owner) & you have multiple Adsense accounts (against TOS). Then the new owner will get his Adsense account banned.

        Why would you assume that the first thing Google will think?
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        • Profile picture of the author yukon
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          Originally Posted by jerytohn View Post

          Why would you assume that the first thing Google will think?
          Because Google is smart enough to know, that the first thing a banned Adsense publisher is going to do is try & get back into Adsense.

          If you don't believe that's the first thing that a banned Adsense publisher thinks about, search this seo/adsense forum for any thread titles that include "Adsense banned" (or similar keywords). Being banned from Adsense is one of the most popular subjects on this WF forum.

          Put your Adsense Ads (pub#) on OPs sites that included his Adsense Ads when he was banned, see how that works out for ya.
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          • Profile picture of the author Tizzko
            Originally Posted by yukon View Post

            Because Google is smart enough to know, that the first thing a banned Adsense publisher is going to do is try & get back into Adsense.

            If you don't believe that's the first thing that a banned Adsense publisher thinks about, search this seo/adsense forum for any thread titles that include "Adsense banned" (or similar keywords). Being banned from Adsense is one of the most popular subjects on this WF forum.

            Put your Adsense Ads (pub#) on OPs sites that included his Adsense Ads when he was banned, see how that works out for ya.
            I'm pretty sure google doesn't keep up with all the sites someones pub id was on. For me, as an example I have about 80 sites and when I filed my appeal with google they wanted some example sites that they could go look at manually. If they really kept up with the sites I had on my account they wouldn't ask this question - they would already know.
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            • Profile picture of the author yukon
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              Originally Posted by Tizzko View Post

              I'm pretty sure google doesn't keep up with all the sites someones pub id was on. For me, as an example I have about 80 sites and when I filed my appeal with google they wanted some example sites that they could go look at manually. If they really kept up with the sites I had on my account they wouldn't ask this question - they would already know.
              Google knows every site/page that Adsense has ever been displayed on. What do you think your Adsense Admin. is all about?

              Your banned account is & will always be tied to those sites you had Adsense on when you was banned.

              No offense but I wouldn't touch those Adsense sites with a 10ft pole.
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              • Profile picture of the author Tizzko
                Originally Posted by yukon View Post

                No offense but I wouldn't touch those Adsense sites with a 10ft pole.
                So if I offered to sell you a site with an exact match domain that gets 14,900 exact searches per month, sits at the #1 position in google and bing for 3 keywords totaling 22k exact searches per month. You wouldn't touch it? Adsense isn't the only way to make money, ya know.
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                • Profile picture of the author dp40oz
                  Originally Posted by Tizzko View Post

                  So if I offered to sell you a site with an exact match domain that gets 14,900 exact searches per month, sits at the #1 position in google and bing for 3 keywords totaling 22k exact searches per month. You wouldn't touch it? Adsense isn't the only way to make money, ya know.
                  I'll take it tonight how much?
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                • Profile picture of the author yukon
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                  Originally Posted by Tizzko View Post

                  So if I offered to sell you a site with an exact match domain that gets 14,900 exact searches per month, sits at the #1 position in google and bing for 3 keywords totaling 22k exact searches per month. You wouldn't touch it? Adsense isn't the only way to make money, ya know.
                  If you really believed the sites could be monitezed so easy, I doubt very much you would sell the sites.

                  I do know Adsense isn't the only way to make money. To answer your question, all my comments are based on adding Adsense to the site. See my first comment, top of the page.
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            • Profile picture of the author WealthWithin
              Originally Posted by Tizzko View Post

              I'm pretty sure google doesn't keep up with all the sites someones pub id was on. For me, as an example I have about 80 sites and when I filed my appeal with google they wanted some example sites that they could go look at manually. If they really kept up with the sites I had on my account they wouldn't ask this question - they would already know.
              Lulz....


              If you put a good AdSense code in a 'disabled AdSense' site, then your days of AdSense are numbered. It's algorithmically detected.

              BTW: Don't 100% believe what AdSense gurus or even the stuff their optimization team is saying. The information is correct in general, but use it with common sense.
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  • Profile picture of the author Tizzko
    GeorgR - Thanks for the info. I'm not a rookie or newbie and I know most of these things, but my sites generated, real & fair clicks this month so the part I'm angry about is how they keep my $1400 for this month. I would be ok if they paid me what I earned and then disabled my account beginning next month due to failing to comply to TOS for whatever reason. Unless they return money to the adwords people who paid for legitimate clicks on my sites, then they robbed me.
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    • Profile picture of the author ZILLIONAIRE
      Originally Posted by Tizzko View Post

      Unless they return money to the adwords people who paid for legitimate clicks on my sites, then they robbed me.
      ...as far as i know, they do just that. i am sure i read it somewhere in the past but i just cant seem to find it! when an account gets banned Google returns the money to the people who paid for the clicks.
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      • Profile picture of the author RuthBabe
        Originally Posted by ZILLIONAIRE View Post

        ...as far as i know, they do just that. i am sure i read it somewhere in the past but i just cant seem to find it! when an account gets banned Google returns the money to the people who paid for the clicks.
        Do they really returns the money to the advertisers? Where can I find proof that Google did return the advertiser's money?
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  • Profile picture of the author pompano
    What suggestions would you have as an alternative. I am in the same boat and want to be earning some decent money through advertisement.
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  • Profile picture of the author steve*
    Hi Guys, I'm brand new to the forum. Just listening to all this adsense talk begs the question to me anyways.....is there an easy method to look over my sites and see if they comply...I hope they do...I am worried now tho.

    Best regards Steve
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  • Profile picture of the author markowe
    About headlines, it's clear from that "suggestion" you shouldn't put ads under MISLEADING headlines like "Hot deals". Still, I stopped doing ads under ANY header, at least without wrapping the text. I took a CTR knock but I sleep better at night.
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  • Profile picture of the author michalsemen
    Personally I can say that one should use Amazon affiliates or some other good paying affiliates to earn money online other than adsense.
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  • Profile picture of the author sousen
    It won't be help you to sell your site showing adsense income proof because the person wil not able to allow his ad sense account if he buy your account if he/she do this there account will banned. that site won't be able to use for ad-sense anymore
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  • Profile picture of the author WebPen
    Although Adsense can be a decent business model (I just got paid today :-p ), I have to admit that it isn't always the best.

    Any business that is reliant on only ONE source of income, ONE source of traffic will be doomed when times go bad.

    So when your MFA site gets your Adsense account banned, you're screwed.

    When your one authority website gets sandboxed by Google and you have no videos, press releases or anything else giving traffic to it, you're screwed.

    When Clickbank decides to start shaving some of your sales, you're screwed.

    Diversify- have multiple income streams and multiple sources of traffic. Or you can just pray that Google is always nice....

    P.S. This is why people say to build a list :-)
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  • Profile picture of the author guitarjosh
    Like the post above me states.. AdSense isn't the ideal business model since we're reliant on the mood of any Google reviewer on any given day to determine our fate. But.. having said that, my heart goes out to you on this one. I'm making about $2000 a month now and if it just disappeared, I'd be pretty bummed.

    Having said that.. I would also just view it as a setback.. not a loss. Take action right away and get this going again so the loss is just for a few months. I'd be hitting up coworkers/Mom/Grandma.. getting someone else's ssn and telling them how they're going to get 10% every month for free.. and I'd have every blog that just had adsense successfully running on it.. recreated within the next week. Import and export those mysql databases, create new domain names on a different server and try to correct what you think what may have happened.

    My neighbor had a $4000 a month AdSense account go bye-bye earlier this year (account wasn't banned but all sites deindexed). I helped him to recreate everything and we had it done in 2 weeks. He's already back up to about $40 a day. Nowhere near where he was yet.. but for the short amount of time.. doing very good.

    Best of luck to you. Sorry to hear about the misfortune. Make it so it's only temporary.
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    • Profile picture of the author yukon
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      Originally Posted by guitarjosh View Post

      Like the post above me states.. AdSense isn't the ideal business model since we're reliant on the mood of any Google reviewer on any given day to determine our fate. But.. having said that, my heart goes out to you on this one. I'm making about $2000 a month now and if it just disappeared, I'd be pretty bummed.

      Having said that.. I would also just view it as a setback.. not a loss. Take action right away and get this going again so the loss is just for a few months. I'd be hitting up coworkers/Mom/Grandma.. getting someone else's ssn and telling them how they're going to get 10% every month for free.. and I'd have every blog that just had adsense successfully running on it.. recreated within the next week. Import and export those mysql databases, create new domain names on a different server and try to correct what you think what may have happened.

      My neighbor had a $4000 a month AdSense account go bye-bye earlier this year (account wasn't banned but all sites deindexed). I helped him to recreate everything and we had it done in 2 weeks. He's already back up to about $40 a day. Nowhere near where he was yet.. but for the short amount of time.. doing very good.

      Best of luck to you. Sorry to hear about the misfortune. Make it so it's only temporary.
      Trust me, family & friends do NOT mix well with money!

      Your going to give your family member 10% free?

      Your also going to be giving them 100% of the tax liability, that the IRS will hold them (not you) accountable for regardless of the deal you come up with between you & your family member.

      Your asking for trouble, with another persons SSN.
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      • Profile picture of the author guitarjosh
        Originally Posted by yukon View Post

        Trust me, family & friends do NOT mix well with money!

        Your going to give your family member 10% free?

        Your also going to be giving them 100% of the tax liability, that the IRS will hold them (not you) accountable for regardless of the deal you come up with between you & your family member.

        Your asking for trouble, with another persons SSN.
        yeah.. good advice to pause and reflect on. although, my family relations are tight enough that we'd work it out if I had to go that route.

        DUDE... just noticed your sig. One of the greatest freaking albums ever!!! Frank Hannon is still one of my all time favs. Great stuff!
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  • Profile picture of the author markowe
    Well, in short, I like the Adsense money too much to do anything stupid that'll get me banned. At the moment, working with Google is a win-win for me and for them (and for their advertisers, hopefully - I am one myself!). We can talk about the ins and outs but the bottom line is I want those cheques to keep coming, so I'll just play by the book, thanks. If anyone can tell me a CPC program that pays NEARLY as well then I'll start sticking my neck out and asking that they respect my human rights, or whatever! Or maybe not...
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    • Profile picture of the author Tizzko
      Originally Posted by markowe View Post

      Well, in short, I like the Adsense money too much to do anything stupid that'll get me banned. At the moment, working with Google is a win-win for me and for them (and for their advertisers, hopefully - I am one myself!). We can talk about the ins and outs but the bottom line is I want those cheques to keep coming, so I'll just play by the book, thanks. If anyone can tell me a CPC program that pays NEARLY as well then I'll start sticking my neck out and asking that they respect my human rights, or whatever! Or maybe not...
      I, just like you was also playing within the rules and was very cautious with my sites. You could wake up banned tomorrow for no reason at all.
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  • Profile picture of the author Ross Petal
    The same thing happened to me by that awful dictator know as Goggle. They encourage you to join their program, you make some money then close your account, keeping millions of dollars from hard working people.

    They close the accounts at a certain time to maximise their loot. It's just daylight robbery and we are defenseless against them, even if we do have the power of the force. God help us!
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    • Profile picture of the author markowe
      Originally Posted by ross007 View Post

      The same thing happened to me by that awful dictator know as Goggle. They encourage you to join their program, you make some money then close your account, keeping millions of dollars from hard working people.

      They close the accounts at a certain time to maximise their loot. It's just daylight robbery and we are defenseless against them, even if we do have the power of the force. God help us!
      a) You obviously haven't read the thread, we've done all this, yours is just another sob-story unless you have some hard evidence. Or maybe you are really talking about "Goggle", the not-so-well-known search engine.
      b) You haven't read the TOS of the WF or you wouldn't have affiliate links in your sig, so I rather doubt you ever read the Adsense TOS either.

      So your tale of the evil dictator Goggle lacks some credibility in my book.
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      • Profile picture of the author smorse1
        Originally Posted by markowe View Post

        maybe you are really talking about "Goggle", the not-so-well-known search engine.
        LOL....I use Goggle every day.
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  • Profile picture of the author AlexJHN
    Yes, it is true that after so many years, we are not able to guess what the main algorithm of Adsense as any time any account may be disabled..... I think you have to pay more attention to CTR?
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    • Profile picture of the author paulgl
      Originally Posted by Sara angel View Post

      google can do any thing ?
      Yes. Be afraid. Be very afraid.

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  • Profile picture of the author derekwong28
    It appears that the ban was triggered automatically by the detection of invalid clicks. As far as I know, you usually receive a warning first for violations of most other violations of the Adsense TOS. That is especially if you earn a fair amount through Adsense, and $1900 is a good amount.

    You can certainly appeal against invalid clicks and sometimes, they will re-instate your account. However, more often they will not, even if they think you are innocent. Their logic would be if your site attracts invalid clicks for whatever reason, it is still a risk to their advertisers.

    The sad truth is that a person with malicious intent can get you banned. It can happen to anyone and therefore you should not rely solely on Adsense as a long term means of generating income. Google certainly knows what you best performing sites are. The chances are that even if you put another person's code on those sites, the ads won't show up.
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    • Profile picture of the author troybh
      Derekwong your are wrong and people should not believe this. Invalid clicks or anything against google TOS are gonna get immediate ban. Invalid clicks is the most likely thing that will not get you banned as long as you are not initiating them.

      To the OP. Your sites are banned. Let us see these bad sites so we can all understand what type of sites gets an adsense ban.
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      • Profile picture of the author derekwong28
        Originally Posted by troybh View Post

        Derekwong your are wrong and people should not believe this. Invalid clicks or anything against google TOS are gonna get immediate ban. Invalid clicks is the most likely thing that will not get you banned as long as you are not initiating them.

        To the OP. Your sites are banned. Let us see these bad sites so we can all understand what type of sites gets an adsense ban.
        This is what exactly I said about invalid clicks. I got disabled immediately once on suspicions of invalid clicks but was able to appeal successfully. Subsequently I received a number of letters from Google complaining about the use of low quality sites before I was banned again. If you look at past posts in this forum and DP, you will find it is very common for people to receive warning letters for issues other than invalid clicks. However, there are no guarantees that they will warn you before they ban you.

        On another note, the fact that the OP is thinking of selling his sites immediately does raise an eyebrow or two. I wonder if there is more to the sites than meets the eye.
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  • Profile picture of the author zoeguy
    Originally Posted by Sara angel View Post

    google can do any thing ?
    And NO, this screenshot has not been edited:



    BTW this result only appears in Google & NOT in Bing or Yahoo...

    Originally Posted by James Martell

    You may think it’s a stretch to imply Google operates in a similar way to God. But to those who lost 90% of their top rankings overnight due to Google’s new algorithmic update may justifiably feel they must have “sinned.”
    "Google Giveth, Google Taketh Away"
    Very sorry to hear what has happened to you Tizzko. Somehow I believe that there is far more going on behind the scenes than just wanting to give user's a "good experience". To me, that is the only explanation for Google completely ignoring people like this who have no idea why they were banned. This is all about the bottom line: money. Too many are losing their entire livelihoods from being de-indexed or banned by Google.

    Type "Can Google Really Do Anything" in Google, this is what you get:

    Originally Posted by LexisNexis Community Staff


    Can Google Really Do Anything? Please Take Our Survey!

    "We are curious as to how many of Google’s products and applications you are using and if Google really is going to take over the world."
    Originally Posted by Tizzko View Post

    I, just like you was also playing within the rules and was very cautious with my sites. You could wake up banned tomorrow for no reason at all.
    guitarjosh (post #40) brought up an excellent point: if someone starts making money via adsense, I would guess that the FIRST thing that money should be used for is to create a backup and a contingency plan, so if the account is gone you already know what to do about it just like say for example your site is hacked you should already have the backup ready to be implemented.

    Originally Posted by steve* View Post

    ...is there an easy method to look over my sites and see if they comply...I hope they do...
    Steve asked a really good question, I am also looking for the same answer.
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  • Profile picture of the author dagaul101
    You could always try to appeal, and let them know that maybe a mistake was made
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  • Profile picture of the author homerunhitter
    This isnt uncommon...

    Thats why i use an alternative called searchreviews. Its free to download and free to run.

    checkout searchreviews (dot) com for more info.

    You can monetize your wordpress, blog, website, etc.
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    • Profile picture of the author guitarjosh
      Originally Posted by homerunhitter View Post

      This isnt uncommon...

      Thats why i use an alternative called searchreviews. Its free to download and free to run.

      checkout searchreviews (dot) com for more info.

      You can monetize your wordpress, blog, website, etc.
      That's funny right there. searchreviews is a joke. I threw it on a high ctr auto blog for a high demand product that gets around 1000 visitors a day, let it go for a month.. not .1 cent in earnings. Even the horribly paying infolinks made me a few bucks with that test.
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      • Profile picture of the author wzx
        Originally Posted by guitarjosh View Post

        That's funny right there. searchreviews is a joke. I threw it on a high ctr auto blog for a high demand product that gets around 1000 visitors a day, let it go for a month.. not .1 cent in earnings. Even the horribly paying infolinks made me a few bucks with that test.
        Probably a promoter for the website.
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  • Profile picture of the author Amigo
    If your website gets lots of visitors you can try adsense alternative like bidvertiser or adbrite..Or affiliate programs..
    After recession, Adsense is so strict, you can't take it lightly.
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  • Profile picture of the author Vexo
    Really wish google would start respecting adsense publishers more. I mean you did business with them that resulted in thousands of dollars of profit for both of you yet they wont even answer an e-mail when you ask them whats wrong. The only way they get away with this is because there is a lack of competition.
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