Building Links Too Fast To NEW Websites.

14 years ago

New websites are so hard to tell what happens to them. I mean, sometimes, a site can go to the sandbox for no apparent reason, while you do the same exact thing to another site and it gets ranked right away. I, personally, do not like to build a ton of links right away, as I like to make it look natural with social bookmarking and some other natural links. Then, I slowly ramp it on up. Best of luck!

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nicktyler

14 years ago

I think that the thing with links for a new site is not necessarily the quantity but consistency. I you blast 100,000 links in the first week and then don't do any the next week then that will probably be very bad. ikewise if you do 100,000 in th efirst week you have set yourself the task of keeping up with that.

Maybe just do as many as your comfortable in the first few days and then slowly increase the number in a natural looking way??

About the spamming competitors links, I have heard this doesn't work with the same justification as you have given but the question is has anybody tried it? I know I wouldn't as it is really not fair play.

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JimmyWrex

14 years ago

Originally Posted by nicktyler

I think that the thing with links for a new site is not necessarily the quantity but consistency. I you blast 100,000 links in the first week and then don't do any the next week then that will probably be very bad. ikewise if you do 100,000 in th efirst week you have set yourself the task of keeping up with that.

Maybe just do as many as your comfortable in the first few days and then slowly increase the number in a natural looking way??

About the spamming competitors links, I have heard this doesn't work with the same justification as you have given but the question is has anybody tried it? I know I wouldn't as it is really not fair play.

You've pretty much nailed it here. You're better sending 20 links per day for weeks on end than 1000 links in one day. Of course it all depends on your niche as sometimes you'll need 200+ per day to get anywhere.

It's also about link diversity and the differentiation you put in your anchor text.

I'm going to assume you know what link diversity is but if not just reply and we can look at that further. Here's how I generally structure my backlinking anchor text for the differentiation part:

1. 70% of links are anchor text to the keyword you are actually trying to rank

2. 20% of links are anchor text to your secondary keyword picked from the Google wonder wheel which has some decent search volume

3. 10% of links are anchor text to your 3rd keyword - again picked from the Google wonder wheel which also have some search volume

Try to pick 3rd and 2nd keywords that have very low comp so you can pick up traffic from them too, as well as diluting your main keyword anchor links.

Now . . . did you know that google will actually penalize you for over doing it on backlinks with one keyword without diluting it?

[yes, I'm expecting to be called a liar here]:p

I have however seen proof of this.

If you're site isn't ranking where it should be, or is actually sliding down the rankings it might be that you've sent too many backlinks that have the same anchor. This is usually only a problem for newer sites.

Perform this little test:

Take a keyword phrase you previously ranked well for and do a search like this in Google:

allinanchor:"your keyword phrase"
(yes, put your phrase in quotes)

Look at the results and see where your web page ranks for that query...then compare it to where you actually rank (broad search, no quotes). If, for example, you rank #18 for that allinanchor search, but rank #127 for a normal search - it's very possible you have a penalty going on.

(A big shout out to Jennifer Pot Pie girl who brought this to my attention - you rock!)

Hope that helps!

Jimmy

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Mike Anthony

14 years ago

Originally Posted by GoodnightSweetRatRace

I understand completely that building too many links, too quickly is a Myth. If it wasn't a myth, you could just blast your competitors with spammy links and their rankings would drop. Google is smarter than this, so this isn't the case.

You sure about that? Posted this late last night so few people have seen this new report.

http://www.warriorforum.com/adsense-...after-all.html

Apparently you CAN get a penalty for links pointing to you.

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GoodnightSweetRatRace

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Mike Anthony

You sure about that? Posted this late last night so few people have seen this new report.

http://www.warriorforum.com/adsense-...after-all.html

Apparently you CAN get a penalty for links pointing to you.

Awesome.

Time to go on Fiverr.com and order 20,000 spammy blog comments to my #1 competitor.

This should be easy.

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Mike Anthony 14 years ago

Originally Posted by GoodnightSweetRatRace

Awesome.

Time to go on Fiverr.com and order 20,000 spammy blog comments to my #1 competitor.

This should be easy.

Not really.

A) many people haven't got notices so its not wide spread
B) if a site already has authority with google and a good link profile then the site doesn't rank on that basis. google has said in that case they ignore the links.

Google: "Probably Possible" 3rd Party Bad Links Can Hurt You

Still for the first time ever those emails confirm that you CAN in fact see a drop in serps and a kind of penalty based on links coming to your site. Go figure.
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ARVolund

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Mike Anthony

You sure about that? Posted this late last night so few people have seen this new report.

http://www.warriorforum.com/adsense-...after-all.html

Apparently you CAN get a penalty for links pointing to you.

Mike

Not sure I buy it.

First off in one of your examples there seems to be some major one-page issues as well if you read down the thread.

Second there is a huge difference in a penalty and just removing the credit the sites were receiving for all those links.

While the end result is similar they are quite different.

Quite a few years ago I used to run a restaurant and one time we got hit with a counterfeit bill. Now the next day I get a call from the bank saying that it was a bad bill and they could not deposit it to my account. I lost credit for that bill but I did not receive a penalty. If they had tried to charge me an extra $100 that would have been a penalty.

If a site has a huge number of questionable links and Google decides not to give them credit for them then of course you are going to see a big ratings drop. Still not the same a penalty.

All your thread does is make me more comfortable with not letting google put any code on my sites.

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Mike Anthony

14 years ago

Originally Posted by ARVolund

Mike

Not sure I buy it.

First off in one of your examples there seems to be some major one-page issues as well if you read down the thread.

Second there is a huge difference in a penalty and just removing the credit the sites were receiving for all those links.

Well it really doesn't matter if you buy it or not. The fact is if you have to ask google for a reconsideration then it IS a form of penalty regardless of examples. Further you have to make an effort to remove them and explain to Google why you can't for a reconsideration. You can't merely skip over what the letter Google sent out states. If you google it then you will find many more examples. This is something new that has begun popping up over the last month.

So its not merely MY examples. Its a report of an email sent out by Google that has been confirmed.

All your thread does is make me more comfortable with not letting google put any code on my sites.

Thats a good point. Often times the benefits of Webmaster tools is outweighed by the risks.

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JimmyWrex 14 years ago

Originally Posted by Mike Anthony

Thats a good point. Often times the benefits of Webmaster tools is outweighed by the risks.

Call me paranoid but I'm absolutely convinced that staying away from Google analytics and webmaster tools has helped my sites rise up.

Jimmy
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JSProjects

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Mike Anthony

You sure about that? Posted this late last night so few people have seen this new report.

http://www.warriorforum.com/adsense-...after-all.html

Apparently you CAN get a penalty for links pointing to you.

You beat me to it.

This is a slightly disturbing development. I can only imagine the number of fiverr gigs that will start to pop up.

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BenJackson

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Mike Anthony

You sure about that? Posted this late last night so few people have seen this new report.

http://www.warriorforum.com/adsense-...after-all.html

Apparently you CAN get a penalty for links pointing to you.

Never believed it myself until recently, sort of bit my tongue on the issue. It's probably best not to spread this kind of info around too much...

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paulgl 14 years ago

The question was link building too fast on a new site. Not what
links will or will not get you penalized.

There is no link limit. Get as many good links as you can.

That's right. No limit.

People try and read into that and mix and match something that's
not there.

Notice I did not say go out and build 10,000 idiotic profile links,
spam 1,000 blogs, submit to 500 junk directories, post a 4,000 on
link farms.

I said good links. I shall not define good link. We all know what that is.

If you can find a million a day, go for it.

Paul
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- packerfan 14 years ago
  
  Consider this... You create a new site, post some really awesome content, and it goes viral. In the span of 2 days you get 2,000,000 links. Do you think the big G will penalize you for that?
  
  Now, let's say that no one links to your awesome content for 2 months. Do you think the big G will penalize you for that?
  
  All of these questions are ridiculous.
  
  Now ask yourself how would those 2,000,000 links occur...
  
  Go build links accordingly.
  
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ARVolund

14 years ago

Originally Posted by GoodnightSweetRatRace

I understand completely that building too many links, too quickly is a Myth. If it wasn't a myth, you could just blast your competitors with spammy links and their rankings would drop. Google is smarter than this, so this isn't the case.

But what about NEW websites? Can building too many links too fast to new websites, harm your rankings in Google?

The issue is not so much the absolute number of links but link velocity.

Just about every story I have heard about somebody building too many links and it killing their site was caused by them building an unusual number and then stopping.

The other issue is people do not understand the behavior of new sites. A new site (especially in a low to moderate niche) usually gets a bit of an initial boost. This will not last usually but gets people feeling all warm and fuzzy about their site initially so they need to blame the drop off on something so link building comes to mind because well it could not possibly be that Google decided their site sucked and was no better than those other 10k sites about the same subject.

I have found that the best way to treat a new site is to plan out the first three months right from the start and then follow the plan. I personally do not even check the rankings for a new site until just before the three months is up. Why bother? Anything you see in the first couple of months is smoke anyway so it is just a waste of time to worry about your fluctuations that early in the process.

Figure out what the max number of links you can build to your site on a weekly basis. Once you have that number figured out you start at 50% for the first couple of weeks and then gradually work up to your max over the next two months. After that you check your rankings and see what you need to adjust and then do so.

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TBInternetMarketing

14 years ago

Originally Posted by GoodnightSweetRatRace

I understand completely that building too many links, too quickly is a Myth. If it wasn't a myth, you could just blast your competitors with spammy links and their rankings would drop. Google is smarter than this, so this isn't the case.

But what about NEW websites? Can building too many links too fast to new websites, harm your rankings in Google?

I must say I agree with your theory about blasting competitors sites. What I have found with new sites is that it can have a negative effect.

They all came back eventually, but it took a lot longer for them to hit the first page of Google.

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Klemen Znidar

14 years ago

Whatever you do, just don't ping the links. If you build many links google will need time to discover them all, but if you ping all of them, well there you have thousands of links over night which doesn't look natural at all.

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JimmyWrex

14 years ago

Originally Posted by morc3x

Whatever you do, just don't ping the links. If you build many links google will need time to discover them all, but if you ping all of them, well there you have thousands of links over night which doesn't look natural at all.

-m

In this case you use a service like Linklicious (free) to set a certain amount to be pinged each day. This is actually better than pinging as it turns links into RSS feeds.

Works like a charm!

Jimmy

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HKSEO Rotzee

14 years ago

Originally Posted by JimmyWrex

In this case you use a service like Linklicious (free) to set a certain amount to be pinged each day. This is actually better than pinging as it turns links into RSS feeds.

Works like a charm!

Jimmy

Definitely, and if you have any questions...please let me know and I can help you out!

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Andrew S

14 years ago

I did this 2 years ago with 2 new websites of mine. I blasted the crap out of both of them with thousands of social bookmarks, pad submissions, and some other stuff.

They still haven't recovered to this day.

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packerfan

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Andrew S

I did this 2 years ago with 2 new websites of mine. I blasted the crap out of both of them with thousands of social bookmarks, pad submissions, and some other stuff.

They still haven't recovered to this day.

I sent over 25,000 spammy blog comments to a site that zero links. I can see about 5,000 in yahoo site explorer. The site sits at #5 today. It has shuffled a few times, but it always returns.

I think there are just to many factors to say that your links are the reason your site isn't ranking. It just doesn't make sense. Did you include any high PR links?

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