Tips to recover from Panda 2.2

15 years ago

Stop copying articles as-it- is into websites Google wants to bring an end to the practice of duplicate websites showing up better results and ranks by publishing duplicate articles (published elsewhere originally). Websites are better served if they do not copy or publish the same article as it was published originally. However if the article is published by providing a link to the original website and with a separate introduction about the article, Google considers it as quality indicator of the website and throws up better in search results and rankings.

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purecapitalist 15 years ago

Originally Posted by linksbuilder12

Stop copying articles as-it- is

That's a good start

Also, the more content the merrier ... was watching a webinar or SERPIQ and the owner was talking about the backend analytics he was able to do. On average, the #1 position had ~600 words of content. Just food for thought.
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TheOnlineEra

15 years ago

if content duplication is reduced..the effects will be reduced itself..

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FrankLinks 15 years ago

Originally Posted by TheOnlineEra

if content duplication is reduced..the effects will be reduced itself..

Well,is it proved?
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- ~kev~ 15 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by FrankLinks
  
  Well,is it proved?
  
  No, its not proven, and its probably just the opposite.
  
  Sites like yahoo news have agreements with the Associated Press (AP) to syndicate the AP news articles, but you do not see sites like yahoo getting a penalty.
  
  If your site was hit in the Panda update, read through the blog of matt cutts, he talks about a lot of SEO tips. Recently he gave 4 or 5 tips that can eally help your site out.
  
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- sandi271281 15 years ago
  
  you can avoid duplicate content. if you like any article and want to ad in you website. do not copy or paste content. simply read the article and write in your language.
  
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mikest4u

15 years ago

Focus on Unique and Qualitative contents and avoid duplicate submissions on various article marketing directories..

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owenlee

15 years ago

Originally Posted by samuel.johnson

Hi,

One of my friend site is been affected by panda 2.2

Any tips to overcome from that.

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content..good content..valuable content...is gotta be a long way to overcome that depending what is on your friend site..

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miker501

15 years ago

All these posts about unique and valuable content are a little simplistic and have an element of BS about them. I have been hit for the first time ever by a penalty, came on 16 June in the form of Panda 2.2. Income reduced from $150 per day to $25.

Nearly all my sites were hit, ALL with ONLY UNIQUE content, min of 500 words, crafted by me with good spelling and English grammar. Adsense on most pages, but Amazon links, youtube vids etc

The sites that have been boosted are generally ecommerce with NO content, just products. They are, IMHO, being given a big boost by Google, or are ranking due to the 'relevance' of all their product descriptions (generally scraped content).

Duplicate content may well be one of the targets of Panda 2.2, but there is obviously a lot more going on. I have shared a few of my sites with other IMers who cannot understand why I have been hit. Backlinks were generally whitehat mainly articles, a bit of manual blog commenting etc.

Best avoid these over simplistic answers like build more links, write better content. That just does not cut it at the moment.

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dp40oz

15 years ago

Originally Posted by miker501

All these posts about unique and valuable content are a little simplistic and have an element of BS about them. I have been hit for the first time ever by a penalty, came on 16 June in the form of Panda 2.2. Income reduced from $150 per day to $25.

Nearly all my sites were hit, ALL with ONLY UNIQUE content, min of 500 words, crafted by me with good spelling and English grammar. Adsense on most pages, but Amazon links, youtube vids etc

The sites that have been boosted are generally ecommerce with NO content, just products. They are, IMHO, being given a big boost by Google, or are ranking due to the 'relevance' of all their product descriptions (generally scraped content).

Duplicate content may well be one of the targets of Panda 2.2, but there is obviously a lot more going on. I have shared a few of my sites with other IMers who cannot understand why I have been hit. Backlinks were generally whitehat mainly articles, a bit of manual blog commenting etc.

Best avoid these over simplistic answers like build more links, write better content. That just does not cut it at the moment.

Google has admitted that all the previous Panda versions were pretty flawed so im assuming 2.2 is pretty flawed as well. There is a very good chance your sites have nothing wrong with them at all and it is just this terrible algorithm called Panda screwing up and penalizing your sites. I think it will take a year or so but I personally think Google is going to look back at this Panda thing as a mistake in the end.

Creating an algorithm strictly there to penalize is going against the heart and soul of what made their searches so good. Panda overrides every other ranking factor and makes a swift judge and jury decision. Its just not a sustainable solution to search IMO. I think Google will realize they are going about things in the opposite way. Giving extra ranking rewards to quality sites will offer much better results then mass penalizing perceived low quality sites.

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miker501

15 years ago

Thanks for at least a voice that says something other than ' more backlinks, unique quality content', very refreshing to hear from someone not just trying to get their post count up ;-)

But how to move forward? It seems pretty much like a sitewide penalty so I am not that inclined to rewrite the content, especially on bigger sites. I am 'playing' with improving navigation and changing layouts a bit, but the content is at least on a par with the perceived 'quality sites' and a lot better than many.

I have noticed some pages climbing a little in the past couple of days, but nowhere near the original levels. I HOPE that the next update, which could be in a few weeks, might put things right, but I am not holding my breath for that

Cheers for a sensible response

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Google has admitted that all the previous Panda versions were pretty flawed so im assuming 2.2 is pretty flawed as well. There is a very good chance your sites have nothing wrong with them at all and it is just this terrible algorithm called Panda screwing up and penalizing your sites. I think it will take a year or so but I personally think Google is going to look back at this Panda thing as a mistake in the end.

Creating an algorithm strictly there to penalize is going against the heart and soul of what made their searches so good. Panda overrides every other ranking factor and makes a swift judge and jury decision. Its just not a sustainable solution to search IMO. I think Google will realize they are going about things in the opposite way. Giving extra ranking rewards to quality sites will offer much better results then mass penalizing perceived low quality sites.

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derekwong28

15 years ago

Originally Posted by miker501

All these posts about unique and valuable content are a little simplistic and have an element of BS about them. I have been hit for the first time ever by a penalty, came on 16 June in the form of Panda 2.2. Income reduced from $150 per day to $25.

Nearly all my sites were hit, ALL with ONLY UNIQUE content, min of 500 words, crafted by me with good spelling and English grammar. Adsense on most pages, but Amazon links, youtube vids etc

The sites that have been boosted are generally ecommerce with NO content, just products. They are, IMHO, being given a big boost by Google, or are ranking due to the 'relevance' of all their product descriptions (generally scraped content).

Duplicate content may well be one of the targets of Panda 2.2, but there is obviously a lot more going on. I have shared a few of my sites with other IMers who cannot understand why I have been hit. Backlinks were generally whitehat mainly articles, a bit of manual blog commenting etc.

Best avoid these over simplistic answers like build more links, write better content. That just does not cut it at the moment.

This is my experience as well. My e-commerce affiliate sites have been given a great boost by the Panda update. In fact, I am having the best time in years.

I think we are moving into an era where Content can ruin a King

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JosephDiego 15 years ago

Miker501,
I don't know as I'm very new to this. But I have been looking around. I am hearing a ton of chatter about backlinks losing strength. So as I'm putting a load of backinks out there, the only one recognizing them is yahoo. Nothing, Nada Not a *&^%$# thing on Google.. Honestly that's why I'm here, I want to see what you guys think.
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GeorgR.

13 years ago

Originally Posted by miker501

Nearly all my sites were hit, ALL with ONLY UNIQUE content, min of 500 words, crafted by me with good spelling and English grammar. Adsense on most pages, but Amazon links, youtube vids etc

The unique and great content won't help you if you Google detected anchor text over-optimization in your links. I am in the same boat as you with some domains. Problem is the LINKS.

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atzu

13 years ago

Originally Posted by GeorgR.

The unique and great content won't help you if you Google detected anchor text over-optimization in your links. I am in the same boat as you with some domains. Problem is the LINKS.

What % of links with the same keyword do you think is over-optimization for google?:confused:

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gtk29

15 years ago

I think writing unique, original content is the solution.

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55sadhikar

15 years ago

I think you need to post constantly to keep the site fresh. If your site is on competitive niche, the site that posts content will have upper edge (of course will need to do some off-site seo in between).

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masterjani

15 years ago

Do reverse engineer by building more links and removing copy contents and add fresh content for atleast a week like once per day or remove bad backlinks.

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miker501 15 years ago

Originally Posted by masterjani

Do reverse engineer by building more links and removing copy contents and add fresh content for atleast a week like once per day or remove bad backlinks.

Building more links and removing copied content is not 'reverse engineering' I wish there was some more 'useful' info on the subject, unless the spammy comments are just for my benefit
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FrankLinks 15 years ago

Originally Posted by masterjani

Do reverse engineer by building more links and removing copy contents and add fresh content for atleast a week like once per day or remove bad backlinks.

This is what I have done for about twenty days,I add unique post every two days,at the same time remove one old copy post and build backlinks very slowly,but no significant effect yet,What I didn't do is removing bad backlinks,in fact,I have no idea of what is bad backlinks in google's eye.

Even worse is one of my site not only get penalty by google but also yahoo,my site only have one index page in yahoo,so I guess the site is also slapped by yahoo,but I don't know what's the exact reason.
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iamseo

15 years ago

I can't able to post the link but nice article exist on today's webpronews about it

Subject :Google Panda Update: The Solution for Recovery?

This might help you out. Its came in my newsletter.

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nossie

15 years ago

Some tips:

1) reduce bouncerate on your sites
2) remove/nofollow/noindex thin and crappy low quality pages on your sites
3) increase CTR in the serps (E.g use crazy call to actions and stuff in your page titles)
4) provide more value on your site (increase users onpage time)
5) interlink your website with proper anchor texts
6) use a privacy policy, about us, contact us, google maps location, SSL, address/phone number, images, subtiles, paragraphs, bulletpoints etc etc (all "possible" added quality factors you can think of)

Most important step:
7) focus on getting links that generate TRAFFIC and not only serve as a link.

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scrapgirl42

15 years ago

Originally Posted by nossie

Some tips:

1) reduce bouncerate on your sites
2) remove/nofollow/noindex thin and crappy low quality pages on your sites
3) increase CTR in the serps (E.g use crazy call to actions and stuff in your page titles)
4) provide more value on your site (increase users onpage time)
5) interlink your website with proper anchor texts
6) use a privacy policy, about us, contact us, google maps location, SSL, address/phone number, images, subtiles, paragraphs, bulletpoints etc etc (all "possible" added quality factors you can think of)

Most important step:
7) focus on getting links that generate TRAFFIC and not only serve as a link.

I would like to know how to effectively reduce bounce rate. I provide quality content and when I look at analytics, the bounce rate is fairly low for many of my pages. But those people who don't see what they want right off, or click on an ad - the fact they left raises the rate.

What to do . . . .

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Mohamed_Mnafeg

15 years ago

I've used this technique and it work:
-change your blog permalink structure using 301 redirection
-rebuild your sitemap
-change your blog title
-change your meta description
-change your keywords
-ping your sitemap
-after 3 days return to your past blog permalink structure using 301 redirection
-rebuild your sitemap
-ping

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- Mohamed_Mnafeg 15 years ago
  
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  R u sure?? I did it but didn't came. Check it ===homeurl.info=== It was PR2 now PR 1 . Please suggest me how return it.:confused:
  
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Justinpage

15 years ago

You only have to avoid duplicate contents. Better check you site for some duplicates and if you find one, you should replace it with new one as soon as possible.

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athink

15 years ago

every one is talking about unique content ok what about that website which don't have any content ( not more than 200 word in whole website) but have better ranking in searching like google than unique content rich website. I don't think only unique content is the key of better search engine ranking there must be something too. So why people are only telling you have original content if you have to recover from panda update 2.2 ? I am also searching answer of this question but not found yet.

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miker501

15 years ago

Originally Posted by athink

every one is talking about unique content ok what about that website which don't have any content ( not more than 200 word in whole website) but have better ranking in searching like google than unique content rich website. I don't think only unique content is the key of better search engine ranking there must be something too. So why people are only telling you have original content if you have to recover from panda update 2.2 ? I am also searching answer of this question but not found yet.

I think the problem is that a lot of people have no idea what they are talking about and just spend their time posting silly comments. Ok, I appreciate peoples efforts, but Panda cannot be about unique content and backlinking alone, it just does not add up. How can a site with 100 pages of totally unique, well written content be reduced to ranking in the 300-600 area overnight, when pages I wrote with ZERO backlinks were ranking in the top 10 for ages. So backlinks were not the issue, on 15 June this content was considered good enough to rank with no links, but on the 16 June it wasn't. And it was replaced by other sites with nil links, PR n/a, no content, and still some with shallow content MFA sites.

I feel that there has been a huge amount of collateral damage with Panda, and Google will hopefully do something about it.

I read the other day that a lot or people well up on this stuff think that Yahoo and Bing are well ahead of the game in relevant search results, and guess what.......... I continue to rank there, and my rankings are improving. Just not the traffic volume.

It's not about Google owing anyone a living, but surely even they can see that something is amiss here.

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dp40oz

15 years ago

Originally Posted by miker501

I think the problem is that a lot of people have no idea what they are talking about and just spend their time posting silly comments. Ok, I appreciate peoples efforts, but Panda cannot be about unique content and backlinking alone, it just does not add up. How can a site with 100 pages of totally unique, well written content be reduced to ranking in the 300-600 area overnight, when pages I wrote with ZERO backlinks were ranking in the top 10 for ages. So backlinks were not the issue, on 15 June this content was considered good enough to rank with no links, but on the 16 June it wasn't. And it was replaced by other sites with nil links, PR n/a, no content, and still some with shallow content MFA sites.

I feel that there has been a huge amount of collateral damage with Panda, and Google will hopefully do something about it.

I read the other day that a lot or people well up on this stuff think that Yahoo and Bing are well ahead of the game in relevant search results, and guess what.......... I continue to rank there, and my rankings are improving. Just not the traffic volume.

It's not about Google owing anyone a living, but surely even they can see that something is amiss here.

Thats the problem with this forum. Most people have no clue what they're talking about and just post what they heard from some other guy in some other thread.

"Remove duplicate content, post high-quality content, build backlinks" AHHHHHH!!! Anyone serious about SEO has already done that. Can we have a legitimate talk now on what REALLY needs to be done to recover from this most recent Panda update because anyone worth anything didn't have duplicate content, already had high-quality content (whatever the hell that means) and built plenty of backlinks in a consistent fashion.

Heres what I would suggest if you think your penalty is unfair. Change a few small things. For example maybe add a Twitter and Facebook icon and a new wordpress theme. People have claimed thats helped. Create 1-2 new posts and maybe add a youtube video to a couple of your posts. Then sit and wait until they roll out another round of the piss poor panda update and hope your page doesn't get caught in this incredibly broad and completely arbitrary net.

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miker501 15 years ago

Thanks for the info. A lot of my sites had some social bookmarking stuff and some had twitter etc on them.

I tend to use static html sites, but the WP ones were also hit.

My model was adsense really, so the large ad block above the fold could have been a problem, even though Googles heatmap almost TELLS you to put it there.

I am making a few small changes on some sites and will see if an of them recover at the next update. I am hoping it is a temp thing but who knows. I do not think that rewriting content that is perfectly fine is worth the effort, because, some of it might have warranted being knocked back to 2nd or 3rd page, but not to page 60!!!!

I have the idea in my head that all bar 4 or my sites were hit fue to a link, WMT, analytics or adsense code. It would seem very odd, and almost unbelievable that previously well ranking sites with increasing PR at updates etc would all suddenly be deemed crap.

Thanks for the sensible suggestions, but my idea was..........................................

ADD QUALITY CONTENT AND DO MORE BACKLINKS :-)
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pilatospoonfork

15 years ago

Just update your site with fresh, unique content for you to be able to recover from panda.

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marios521 15 years ago

Originally Posted by pilatospoonfork

Just update your site with fresh, unique content for you to be able to recover from panda.

So... If I have some not so good articles in my site (20-30% duplicity) and I go edit every single article to make it 100% unique.
Is this a solution, or is better to add new original articles?
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Srinagarhouseboats

15 years ago

Use original contents to you site . This the main key to recover from panda

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brettb

15 years ago

Make sure you only have 1 page about a particular topic. And if you write about shopping items but you're not an online store then you might want to rethink your business model.

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Susovan

15 years ago

1. Look at your website through GA reports
2. Find the key words that are creating issues
3. Check the date and time of traffic loss
4. Improve the quality of your content- remember "content is the king"
5. Contact Google and ask for their opinion and get to know the actual reason why your site is shattered by Panda 2.2, if the diagnosis is correct your site will recover soon
6. This is not a permanent phenomenon but will take some time, i guess with a huge loss to the extent of 90-99% traffic loss to your site....somewhere i read that the affected site came back to normalcy after 40 days with 90% traffic loss

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mikkosant

15 years ago

Lots of quality content and on page seo. Longer articles(500-800 words) seem to be doing well now. Also, don't hit your sites with crummy links, save those for 2nd and 3rd tier.

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Joseph Then

15 years ago

Originally Posted by linksbuilder12

Stop copying articles as-it- is into websites Google wants to bring an end to the practice of duplicate websites showing up better results and ranks by publishing duplicate articles (published elsewhere originally). Websites are better served if they do not copy or publish the same article as it was published originally. However if the article is published by providing a link to the original website and with a separate introduction about the article, Google considers it as quality indicator of the website and throws up better in search results and rankings.

Originally Posted by TheOnlineEra

if content duplication is reduced..the effects will be reduced itself..

Originally Posted by mikest4u

Focus on Unique and Qualitative contents and avoid duplicate submissions on various article marketing directories..

Originally Posted by gtk29

I think writing unique, original content is the solution.

Originally Posted by nadeeshasmith

try to remove duplicate content from your site and use only unique and quality content

Originally Posted by 55sadhikar

I think you need to post constantly to keep the site fresh. If your site is on competitive niche, the site that posts content will have upper edge (of course will need to do some off-site seo in between).

Originally Posted by masterjani

Do reverse engineer by building more links and removing copy contents and add fresh content for atleast a week like once per day or remove bad backlinks.

Originally Posted by purecapitalist

That's a good start

Also, the more content the merrier ... was watching a webinar or SERPIQ and the owner was talking about the backend analytics he was able to do. On average, the #1 position had ~600 words of content. Just food for thought.

Originally Posted by Justinpage

You only have to avoid duplicate contents. Better check you site for some duplicates and if you find one, you should replace it with new one as soon as possible.

Originally Posted by pilatospoonfork

Just update your site with fresh, unique content for you to be able to recover from panda.

Originally Posted by Srinagarhouseboats

Use original contents to you site . This the main key to recover from panda

Originally Posted by mikkosant

Lots of quality content and on page seo. Longer articles(500-800 words) seem to be doing well now. Also, don't hit your sites with crummy links, save those for 2nd and 3rd tier.

I am pretty convinced that it's more than just having "unique content" or updating content. Panda 2.2 looks into more than just having unique content, more backlinks, etc.

So stop giving the wrong advice.

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Steven Miranda

15 years ago

I would suggest going back to the basics of web mastering. Good content, good page load times, good on page SEO, good design for user. ...etc

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Wilding

15 years ago

I gotta agree with miker501. The update is not a simple one. My sites with really high quality content have also been hit. Even sites with 1000 word articles. Google is onto affiliates with a vengeance it seems.

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derekwong28

15 years ago

Originally Posted by James Fortzman

I gotta agree with miker501. The update is not a simple one. My sites with really high quality content have also been hit. Even sites with 1000 word articles. Google is onto affiliates with a vengeance it seems.

I am not sure whether the Panda is specifically against affiliates as I am having a good time. But you should always cloak your affiliate links if possible.

Again I agree with Joseph Then. It depends on the type and quality of content and how it is presented.

CONTENT CAN RUIN A KING

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MrPolarZero

15 years ago

Unique and good quality content. I think the best strategy is to adopt social media promotional strategies.

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GrowTraffic 15 years ago

I've had some successes with reorganising the sitemaps - and submitting multiple smaller sitemaps to Google webmaster tools.

Overall I think the key to this is unique quality content and just to bear in mind that penalties are sitewide rather than just penalties on specific pages.

If you've got any content on your site that doesn't rank or isn't indexed or isn't worth reading I'd be seriously looking at getting rid of it and be careful where you redirect it - it should be going to similar subject content.

I don't think you can just say link building is the answer - as link building can be part of the problem in the new updates especially if your link building lacks variety.
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Suzanne Morrison

15 years ago

One of my niche sites was struck by the Panda - it went from around 100 unqiues a day to 5 uniques a day. After lots of gradual tweaking and changing things it recovered after I reduced the amount of outbound links on my home page.

It was a relatively new site and had around 25 affiliate links (no follow & redirected) on the first page. I reduced this by around two thirds, down to 9 outbound links and my traffic jumped back to 100 a day and has been steady now for over a month.

Just another potential thing to consider.

Cheers,
Suzanne

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Mgriff

15 years ago

Originally Posted by Suzanne Morrison

One of my niche sites was struck by the Panda - it went from around 100 unqiues a day to 5 uniques a day. After lots of gradual tweaking and changing things it recovered after I reduced the amount of outbound links on my home page.

It was a relatively new site and had around 25 affiliate links (no follow & redirected) on the first page. I reduced this by around two thirds, down to 9 outbound links and my traffic jumped back to 100 a day and has been steady now for over a month.

Just another potential thing to consider.

Cheers,
Suzanne

I think this is ONE very important factor that not a lot of people have mentioned, my other suspicion is that your backlink profile is also extremely important. Varied anchor text and backlinks from many different sources and NOT profile backlinks. They are dead.

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xxxJamesxxx

15 years ago

Spinning still works with Panda.

I have tons of sites with hundreds of articles spun using TBS and they still rank really well.

James

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Trivum

15 years ago

Do whatever Google tells you to do. ... Sorry, bad joke.

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YasirYar

15 years ago

There seems to be a big push on the value of social networking content, so you should definitely look into services which provide you with that. Things such as tweets, facebook likes and blog post likes, comments and views. That in conjunction with creative, unique content is key to recovering from whatever chaos panda has caused.

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atzu

13 years ago

Hi, to all. Is it maybe a solution to remove some poor quality backlinks from the site that has hit by panda? (directories,comments etc) Or is it waste of time? What do you think guys?

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kayode10

13 years ago

Originally Posted by samuel.johnson

Hi,

One of my friend site is been affected by panda 2.2

Any tips to overcome from that.

Thanks in advance.

Your friend can acheive this by giving what google want from his website, and these are quality centent, building link in natural ways and those link building must be in white hat tactic and lots more.

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jfambrini

13 years ago

When one of my site was badly hit by Panda and went from page 1 to page 10 the site had thousands of pages so I did not want to bother to change so many pages. I started fresh and created a new site making sure I don't repeat my past mistakes and this site started rising and now a few months later my banned site WITHOUT changing a dot has recovered and is on page 1 to page 3 on its old searches and now has 50% of its pre-Panda traffic. Unless your site is obviously spammy then hold the fort and Google will change its mind.

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atzu

13 years ago

Originally Posted by jfambrini

When one of my site was badly hit by Panda and went from page 1 to page 10 the site had thousands of pages so I did not want to bother to change so many pages. I started fresh and created a new site making sure I don't repeat my past mistakes and this site started rising and now a few months later my banned site WITHOUT changing a dot has recovered and is on page 1 to page 3 on its old searches and now has 50% of its pre-Panda traffic. Unless your site is obviously spammy then hold the fort and Google will change its mind.

So panda is a penalty for some period? Is it possible if you made no changes in the website to recover from panda? My site was hit by panda and still is very low in serps. All my content is unique , so i don't know exactly what i have to change.

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atzu

13 years ago

Originally Posted by mfred90

Simply, stop the spamming work.do only quality work.

You have right about "spamming". I have some backlinks that are really poor quality. My content is good and unique. . I will try to erase these bad backlinks to see if something happens.

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