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Is Angela and Paul's Backlinks still effective?

by glennforum
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I am a subscriber to this service but lately I have seen blog posts telling people that such strategy is not effective anymore, how true is this?
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  • Profile picture of the author retsek
    No it is not as effective as it once was.
    But if you do enough of them, you will rank. By enough, I mean thousands.

    It's best if you vary your backlink sources, don't depend on these links alone.
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  • Profile picture of the author RevSEO
    Not nearly as effective as it once was. I'd recommend it as one of the "bottom barrel" linking activities if you have absolutely nothing else left to do.

    They also generally require a lot of work to get indexed, and webmasters tend to take them down quickly when they notice a HUGE number of new user signups/spam.
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  • Profile picture of the author BarryWheeler
    These links are not worth the HTML code used to create them!

    Do something better with your time and save your money!
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    • Profile picture of the author StevenJones
      Originally Posted by BarryWheeler View Post

      These links are not worth the HTML code used to create them!

      Do something better with your time and save your money!
      I Lol'ed! But your are totally right. These are not worth any more and time any longer. But they DID WORK!
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  • Profile picture of the author Valera
    Barry is right, those links have been used and abused for years and currently not worth anything...
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    • Profile picture of the author Nick Garcia
      There's a warrior on here that has a link packet service. I think it's Joe Finn. I subscribed to them and I think his links are pretty high quality...although I'm sure years from now they'll be worth a lot less, unfortunately. By then someone else will come along with new links!
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  • Profile picture of the author BarryWheeler
    Let's just cut to the chase ... Angela and Paul are selling Link Spam. Even if you're told otherwise, these links are spam links.

    Use them and you will see many webmasters deleting the unused "profiles" and even worst yet ... Google slaps you sill by deindexing your site for using spam links. The more of these you use, the higher your chances of having your site dealt the wrath of Google.

    Do something worthwhile with your $$$$ and your time.

    Network with people, interact with readers, go out and find your own links.
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    • Profile picture of the author Daret
      Originally Posted by BarryWheeler View Post

      Let's just cut to the chase ... Angela and Paul are selling Link Spam. Even if you're told otherwise, these links are spam links.

      Use them and you will see many webmasters deleting the unused "profiles" and even worst yet ... Google slaps you sill by deindexing your site for using spam links. The more of these you use, the higher your chances of having your site dealt the wrath of Google.

      Do something worthwhile with your $$$$ and your time.

      Network with people, interact with readers, go out and find your own links.

      Yeah I agree, they have been spammed a lot my so many people that webmasters have started deleting such profiles.

      Google slap is another risk...

      Its better to go for other link building strategies than these... After all, our time is limited and there is just so much we can do in 24 hours, its better to focus the time on more productive tasks
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  • Profile picture of the author LucySands
    doesn't work for me
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    • Profile picture of the author sethczerepak
      It's not just them...mass link building and profile linking are all being phased out. My advice is to start focusing on very high quality blog comments, forum postings (on threads where there's a lot of continuous traffic) and getting likes for your webpage, Google plus one votes and tweets.

      I've been experimenting with all 12 sites in my network and over the past two months, some serious changes have taken place....and it seems to be just the beginning.

      I've recently dumped all automated back link building and am paying my writers to manually submit comments on forums and blogs and asking people to click the social vote buttons on my sites. Links of sites with a lot of continuous traffic and the social votes are working the best for me these days. What used to take 200 crappy links to accomplish can now be accomplished with 50 good ones. Especially since the Panda update.
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      • Profile picture of the author BarryWheeler
        Originally Posted by sethczerepak View Post

        It's not just them...mass link building and profile linking are all being phased out. My advice is to start focusing on very high quality blog comments, forum postings (on threads where there's a lot of continuous traffic) and getting likes for your webpage, Google plus one votes and tweets.

        I've been experimenting with all 12 sites in my network and over the past two months, some serious changes have taken place....and it seems to be just the beginning.

        I've recently dumped all automated back link building and am paying my writers to manually submit comments on forums and blogs and asking people to click the social vote buttons on my sites. Links of sites with a lot of continuous traffic and the social votes are working the best for me these days. What used to take 200 crappy links to accomplish can now be accomplished with 50 good ones. Especially since the Panda update.
        How much do you find the social factors influence our ranking?
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  • Profile picture of the author addison.agnote
    It's still effective. Been subscribed to Angela for years and still got good backlinks coming to my site.
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  • Profile picture of the author Rukshan
    I canceled both subscriptions few months ago. Because I have to pay again for VA. Now I use senukex and fiverr to get profile backlinks in large scale.
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  • Profile picture of the author islandbreezes
    Does fiverr work well? or is it better to find someone on warrior forum if you don't have extra time to do them? do you use a lot of .edus or .govs? any other recommendations? thanks!
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  • Profile picture of the author YasirYar
    I guess its less about the links being "profile links" and more about them actually have anything worthwhile on the link location. Try adding good content to each profile link and submit them to many locations to get them indexed and it will still be very effective.
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  • Profile picture of the author zelthost
    I think it's effective. Some days ago i follow that system. It's worked.
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  • Profile picture of the author neojr
    They may work in the short time, but they don't last more then a few months.

    I regret to have wasted my time in the past doing them.
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    • Profile picture of the author BarryWheeler
      Originally Posted by neojr View Post

      They may work in the short time, but they don't last more then a few months.

      I regret to have wasted my time in the past doing them.
      More and more are witnessing this with their links.

      But they think "It's $5.00" ...

      It's a shame actually.

      I'm not a fan of profile links in general, they have limited content, usually come from irrelevant niches and have no impact at all unless you drive many other links to them to promote them. Too much time and effort for such a small effect.
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  • Profile picture of the author timpears
    What ever happened to Angela and Paul? They used to be active on this forum but I have not seen either of them in months. I think since WF did away with the back link WSOs. But they reversed that decision and I didn't see them come back. Maybe I am just blind. I know I don't see that well.
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    • Profile picture of the author BarryWheeler
      Originally Posted by timpears View Post

      What ever happened to Angela and Paul? They used to be active on this forum but I have not seen either of them in months. I think since WF did away with the back link WSOs. But they reversed that decision and I didn't see them come back. Maybe I am just blind. I know I don't see that well.
      They have been around and have attempted to discredit those of us who have criticized their link building tactics.

      Some of those threads have been deleted, like this one will probably be in a bit.
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  • Profile picture of the author jacked
    They are basically glorified High PR Profiles. And by High PR I mean domain.
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    • Profile picture of the author BarryWheeler
      Originally Posted by jacked View Post

      They are basically glorified High PR Profiles. And by High PR I mean domain.
      But this has nothing to do with the actual link from the profile.

      These are useless links.

      Not even 10 cents, let alone the $5.00 being charged for it.

      This is where the deception comes to play. Angela and Paul lead you to believe these links are high PR, but they are not. They have zero PR, no value and are spam links.
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  • Profile picture of the author xxxJamesxxx
    Since Panda I've found they have a negative affect on my sites so I've chucked them in the bin and going for quality links now

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  • Profile picture of the author high_plains_drifter
    Complete waste of time

    1000 x PR 0 = WASTED $$$
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  • Profile picture of the author faysal969
    Profile links have no SEO value. In past they were very useful, but now profile links are not indexed by search engine. So, they are value less.
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  • Profile picture of the author timpears
    They have to have some value. The page may be PR0, but the juice will flow from the domain and any other page that links to it.

    What is the value of these link is a subject that will be debated ad nauseum. If you don't like them, don't use them. But I wouldn't leave them out of the mix, but that is just me.
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    • Profile picture of the author MikeFriedman
      Originally Posted by timpears View Post

      They have to have some value. The page may be PR0, but the juice will flow from the domain and any other page that links to it.

      Here is the problem though... The main domain that has the high PR never has any direct link to the individual profile. You might have to track through 5-6 links to find a link between the main domain and the individual profile. At that point, the link juice has diminished to almost nothing.

      A domain with a high PR does not automatically pass that PR onto every page under the domain. It only passes it to pages it links directly to. There is no such thing as Domain Rank.
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  • Profile picture of the author BarryWheeler
    Exactly Mike.

    That's the problem I have with how Angela & Paul are promoting these link packets.

    A link is not always a good thing!
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    • Profile picture of the author netprospector
      I know that there is no specific recommendation to post by Paul's links but do the value of the links go up if you actually post (assuming the links are in the signature and not the just the bio). At a minimum each post would bring new links wouldn't it?

      I bought a package and have done some links. Have not really seen anything dramatic. Then I read this thread and became concerned it could do harm. Some of the answers indicated that there was a possibility to actually do damage.

      I don't mind trying something, it wouldn't be the first time I have wasted my time but I don't want to kill a site either.
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      • Profile picture of the author netprospector
        For those who think the links have lost effectiveness. Is it do to overuse of the links that come in the package or that Google has fundamentally change the way it values Profile links.

        Is there still a value in going out and looking for boards on your own to post profile links to? I am also try to find and actually post to ones that are somewhat relevant (some days are more successful than others in this regard) but I usually try to at least leave a profile since I have already have taken the time to find the site.
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        • Profile picture of the author BarryWheeler
          Originally Posted by netprospector View Post

          For those who think the links have lost effectiveness. Is it do to overuse of the links that come in the package or that Google has fundamentally change the way it values Profile links.

          Is there still a value in going out and looking for boards on your own to post profile links to? I am also try to find and actually post to ones that are somewhat relevant (some days are more successful than others in this regard) but I usually try to at least leave a profile since I have already have taken the time to find the site.
          I'll give you my perspective on this. I'm not an expert by any stretch of the imagination. Someone with much more experience and knowledge may chime in.

          These links are basically spam links. They are created for to soul purpose of obtaining the link. They have very little relevant content to the site you are pointing to and in many cases they pass very little authority.

          In many cases, these links are never indexed by Google (and if you're creating a tonne of them, the work to get them all indexed isn't going to be worth it).

          These may come from sites that have authority, but the person who promotes these as being HIGH PR links such as Angela & Paul are misleading you. Sure, the main site may have a very high PR but the link you will get is insignificant at best.

          Many of these links get deleted shortly after the packets are released. Do you think the webmasters don't see a sudden swell in registrations and wonder what's up?

          Hope this helps.
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  • Profile picture of the author mrichards1984
    Well with xrumer you can build all the profile links you want and if you can't afford it you can simple buy xrumer services at very cheap prices
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  • Profile picture of the author blue_soda025
    I've been using them on my newer sites and they do pretty much nothing for the rankings. :/
    I have not tried using it on my first and oldest site, since it's ranking well for most of its keywords, but I might give it a shot to see if it gets the extra boost on page 1.
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  • Profile picture of the author RayW
    Profile links are still effective. Search for 'dive watches for men' on google, the first result will be a sniper site targeting the keyword. Check its backlinks on yahoo site explorer... all profile links. So, yes they are still effective.
    Getting them indexed is the tough part though.
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    • Profile picture of the author netprospector
      Originally Posted by raxr View Post

      Profile links are still effective. Search for 'dive watches for men' on google, the first result will be a sniper site targeting the keyword. Check its backlinks on yahoo site explorer... all profile links. So, yes they are still effective.
      Getting them indexed is the tough part though.
      I have heard more than one person refer to getting them indexed is the hard part. Is there something that you should do to try to get them indexed or are you more talking about there is some random chance involved in when or whether Google indexes them or the fact that many may be removed by admins at the board.
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      • Profile picture of the author RayW
        Originally Posted by MikeFriedman View Post

        The competition on that first page is pretty light. I wouldn't say that the links work based on that result.
        I don't think that's light competition. I wouldn't say it's unbeatable, but it is fairly moderate competition. You definitely couldn't get to #1 by just on-page seo for that keyword so clearly, the links are helping. And the keyword is extremely profitable. The site probably makes $300-$600/month by being #1 for this keyword, which it got by profile links. That's impressive.
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        • Profile picture of the author MikeFriedman
          Originally Posted by raxr View Post

          I don't think that's light competition. I wouldn't say it's unbeatable, but it is fairly moderate competition. You definitely couldn't get to #1 by just on-page seo for that keyword so clearly, the links are helping. And the keyword is extremely profitable. The site probably makes $300-$600/month by being #1 for this keyword, which it got by profile links. That's impressive.

          The competition for that search is EXTREMELY weak. None of the sites are targeting that keyword. And I highly doubt they are making $300-600/month.

          They are promoting Amazon. Most of those watches are around $80 on Amazon with a few up around $300. Amazon pays what? 4%? Maybe 5%? Been awhile since I did any Amazon campaigns. So even a $300 sale nets $15. The lower end watches are making them $2-5.

          With only 1900 searches, which means probably 1200 visitors or so, I doubt they are converting enough traffic to sniff $300/month from that keyword.
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          • Profile picture of the author RayW
            Originally Posted by MikeFriedman View Post

            The competition for that search is EXTREMELY weak. None of the sites are targeting that keyword. And I highly doubt they are making $300-600/month.

            They are promoting Amazon. Most of those watches are around $80 on Amazon with a few up around $300. Amazon pays what? 4%? Maybe 5%? Been awhile since I did any Amazon campaigns. So even a $300 sale nets $15. The lower end watches are making them $2-5.

            With only 1900 searches, which means probably 1200 visitors or so, I doubt they are converting enough traffic to sniff $300/month from that keyword.
            Look, the fact is, you could not rank #1 for that kw with just on-page seo. Just because other sites aren't specifically targeting that exact kw does not mean you can rank #1 for it. CLEARLY, the links are helping it rank higher, ergo they are valuable.
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            • Profile picture of the author MikeFriedman
              Those links are garbage and wouldn't get you ranked for anything that matters on their own.

              And actually, I think you could rank #1 in that SERP with mostly on-page SEO and internal links.

              Yes, the profile links help in this case because NOBODY is trying to rank for that term.

              They are as valuable as any other PR 0 or PR n/a link, which is about as close to as useless of a link as you can get.
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              • Profile picture of the author referencement montreal
                Originally Posted by MikeFriedman View Post

                Those links are garbage and wouldn't get you ranked for anything that matters on their own.

                And actually, I think you could rank #1 in that SERP with mostly on-page SEO and internal links.

                Yes, the profile links help in this case because NOBODY is trying to rank for that term.

                They are as valuable as any other PR 0 or PR n/a link, which is about as close to as useless of a link as you can get.
                I'm curious. I have tried Paul Backlinks system with 200 forums inscriptions for 3 differents customers. I just can find any BL with Majestic Seo, Blekko or Backlink watch from these forum or another type website. I did the inscriptions in december and january.
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    • Profile picture of the author MikeFriedman
      Originally Posted by raxr View Post

      Profile links are still effective. Search for 'dive watches for men' on google, the first result will be a sniper site targeting the keyword. Check its backlinks on yahoo site explorer... all profile links. So, yes they are still effective..
      The competition on that first page is pretty light. I wouldn't say that the links work based on that result.
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  • Profile picture of the author kaimunro
    Try a variety of strategy and see what really works for your sites. One strategy may work for the other in a specific period of time, but might not work as effective as it was in the long run.
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  • Profile picture of the author owenlee
    just use it as part of your stagey...never put all eggs in one basket...
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  • Profile picture of the author Targeted Traffic
    If you know how to just do your own back linking or better yet learn!
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  • Profile picture of the author colby65
    I think one of the reasons those links don't work is because Google can't index pages that don't have content.
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  • Profile picture of the author johnben1444
    I have never tried it.......edu or gov site does not freak me unless they have high page rank and relevant to my niche. Also, if the link is not coming from the domain with the high page rank its going to be worthless.

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  • Profile picture of the author nishant0000
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    as far as i know about that...angela and paul link is done in the case when the forum does not allow the signatures...then we will have to target the profile backlinks.but it is still effective and i also use it currently.
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  • Profile picture of the author giovanni_carlo
    Hello guys, what is the best effective link building strategy now a days that is effective and that won't slap us from google? and where can I find forums that will not ban me from posting?
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  • Profile picture of the author abdulfahad66
    This is Still Effective i have ranked up a lot of sites for 6 to 7th pages at page 1 of google but with a mixture of these links and web 2.0 social bookmarks and other links as well
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  • Profile picture of the author atilayax
    I made some experiments and I could see they still work. I joined several forums and made 1 post in each of them with signature. I got positive results...

    I don´t agree with people who say those backlinks could cause some damage to our rankings as if it were true people could kill their competition in that way.
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  • Profile picture of the author ishuvonet
    After penguin update I assume these backlink techniques are not useful anymore.You now have to focus only only on backlinks that has pr and most importantly relevant to your niche.
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    • Profile picture of the author curious73
      Yes it is still effective as far as I know, however getting them indexed is one of the most important yet tough part (try link indexing software/service).

      Do your own due diligence with back links analyser - you can find out what works well! ahrefs is my favourite. they have a free account with limited facility that you can try.


      you can also try another method that depends on your budget - host sites on high pr domains (I use godaddy auction) and work on tiered process of link building; should work well.

      cheers.
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      • Profile picture of the author kayelopez2012
        yes they are still effective. use "contextual backlinks" and make sure google will find them because backlinks are worthless if not indexed.
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  • Profile picture of the author wellm97
    Angela Paul packets worked in past days, but now these packets are not as effective.
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  • Profile picture of the author affiliatez
    I think anyone saying these kinds of backlink not working has never used this!
    I am ranking any tough keyword based on these link resource really.
    P/s: Do NOT try to rank your own new domain website, the bl strategy with high PR inner page STILL works well with youtube and social sites such as MobelMouse, Blogspot, Weebly.
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  • Profile picture of the author kafiemon
    Hey, Do not waste your time by doing such kind of poor backlink. Today's SEO is much more dependent in content marketing. I quality content backlink is value enough then thousand of Angela and Paul's Backlinks.
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