Sept 6 Update: Case study of AMR VS UAW VS linkamotion VS Article Samurai

13 years ago

Sweet! I actually haven't heard of a few of your link solutions that you are using and I look forward to seeing the results.

I've used AMR & UAW and am pretty familiar with them, but I'll let you post your own experiences with those to. I appreciate all of these sort of case study posts, especially when I haven't used them!

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Natlex

13 years ago

Originally Posted by RevSEO

I've used AMR & UAW and am pretty familiar with them, but I'll let you post your own experiences with those to. I appreciate all of these sort of case study posts, especially when I haven't used them!

I used both AMR and UAW to good results, but since they have a lot of overlap in terms of article directories they probably both submit to I'm hoping to see if keeping my UAW subscription is worth it over only using AMR. Basically, the UAW+ AMR domain should be pulling ahead of the one using only AMR and the one only using UAW for me to keep it

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Oliver Denton

13 years ago

Keep us updated, as I am curious too. UAW is expensive I agree.

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jpizzle

13 years ago

I am currently running a test with AMR as well. I've been reading all these threads on how article marketing is dead. I want to find out for myself how effective AMR and article marketing is. Keep us posted on the case study. I think I may start one as well.

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freddylan 13 years ago

good case study, i am using UAW at the moment and i was thinking to buy AMR.
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JamesE3

13 years ago

Looks like a good case study. I'd be interested in hearing your thoughts about Article Samurai.

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idreesfarooq

13 years ago

Ambitious project and keep updated. I have just bought AMR and really want to see results.

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Natlex

13 years ago

Ok all the articles are submitted for all domains. For UAW/AMR/article samurai each domain got one article with 2 levels of spun syntax (title,body and ressource box). The linkamotion domain has about 100 articles Q'd for it and should be drip fed at a rate of 5 per day (each article is only 1 link unlike the first 3 article distribution services which each contain 2)..

Looking foward to the results ! So far all domains are not in the top 100 for any of the 4 keywords.

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higherstate 13 years ago

Hey Natlex, really interested to see the results, thanks for documenting for us all.

I just tested AMR but was waiting for the article samurai launch. As you have been in beta for it for a while, what are your initial impressions comparing it to AMR?

Not sure which to go for at the moment.
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MastrGrdnr

13 years ago

For those of you who are currently using the above tools and have been for a while, is all of this (the thousands of back links this is supposed to generate) holding up with the new Big G algo change?

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eco 13 years ago

Thanks for doing this case study. I'm looking for a good article submission service so I'm keen to see the results.

What are your initial thoughts about Article Samurai? Does the content spinner produce good (intelligible) results?
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Natlex

13 years ago

Well I just bought article samurai. Damn it's expensive.. $100/month for beta users and it will apparently be higher for others. Anyway, I was seeing a bit of movement after only 1-2 weeks and I decided to try it for more of my main websites and because I wanted to be sure the article is going to be properly syndicated for the test domain.

I'll probably submit a second article to all services in 2-3 weeks or so (by then it should be done being drip fed with all services for the first article).

I'm really happy I had these domains waiting for a test.. I really hope article samurai beats everything at the expensive monthly price it's at...

For those of you who are currently using the above tools and have been for a while, is all of this (the thousands of back links this is supposed to generate) holding up with the new Big G algo change?

I do see more flutuations in rankings now then before the panda update in February but since 80%+ of my links are from blog networks and article directories and my income is relatively stable and has slowly increased since March, ya I think it's fine. I think some of the fluctuations are when some networks lose power (I think BMR is getting weaker... my keywords that were only promoted with it seem to always lose their ranking over time)

What are your initial thoughts about Article Samurai? Does the content spinner produce good (intelligible) results?

I did not use the content spinner, I still just use the best spinner and my articles were already ready with spin syntax so all I did was create some ressource boxes. Article samurai does come with 50 "tokens" for content boss automatic spinning, I'll see how effective it is, but I doubt it can be much better then just doing a auto spin "best" on TBS.

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John34

13 years ago

This is interested case study, i signed up to your thread. Are you using any other form of link building other than article submission to these networks?

I wanted to sign up for Article Samurai today, but looks like they have been sold out. I hope they will open again soon.

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resshin

13 years ago

already bookmarked!! I really loved to read a case study like this..

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olamilekan2 13 years ago

Looking forward to the results of your testing.
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bluenetworx

13 years ago

Sounds cool, I'm looking at Article Samurai now myself, as the number of links does look enticing, but whether they work or not is another question

Look forward to seeing the results you get

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110ben

13 years ago

Hey Natlex
Excellent work
I agree with your comments about the spinner in article samurai, it is not good.Personally i much prefer tbs and i was wondering if you know whether i could drop a syntax ready article into article samurai instead of using their awful spinner.
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seobirk

13 years ago

this actually looks really great.. as a Market Samurai user I was keen on purchasing Article Samurai and UAW to combine them into my SEO services, however the background of both is relatively foggy lately

thanks you very much for doing this mate, will keep a close eye on this thread

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glennforum

13 years ago

This is a great initiative to test different content development techniques and how they fare post-panda, please do keep us posted for any changes especially now that Google Panda is still updating its versions.

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dmswans

13 years ago

You can use pre spun articles by the best spinner or any other spinner using the import feature of Article Samurai

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EmilyRoseSanders

13 years ago

Article Samurai sounds too expensive - it would take you forever to make back your money, unless you have thousands of sites to rank and/or lots of clients to pass the cost onto.

Regarding how has this type of backlinking fared since teh panda updates - I've used both AMR and Article Ranks. Article Ranks produces better results, but in my opinion you can get good results whichever network you use - as long as you really go to town with the spinning. The more unique the articles you produce, the better chance of them staying indexed

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OpticalOut

13 years ago

Originally Posted by EmilyRoseSanders

Article Samurai sounds too expensive - it would take you forever to make back your money, unless you have thousands of sites to rank and/or lots of clients to pass the cost onto.

Lol, what are you charging clients? $10 per month?

If you were using that service for clients, it would only take one or maybe two to justify it's cost.

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Natlex

13 years ago

Originally Posted by EmilyRoseSanders

Article Samurai sounds too expensive - it would take you forever to make back your money, unless you have thousands of sites to rank and/or lots of clients to pass the cost onto.

Regarding how has this type of backlinking fared since teh panda updates - I've used both AMR and Article Ranks. Article Ranks produces better results, but in my opinion you can get good results whichever network you use - as long as you really go to town with the spinning. The more unique the articles you produce, the better chance of them staying indexed

Yup I agree, Article ranks works really well for me and that is why I did not even include it in this study. The initial goal of this was to see if UAW was worth keeping when you have AMR (one time cost).

Since I had bought 5 domains and after the 2 month period passed I ended up discovering Linkamotion and article samurai, I decided to use those on the extra 2 domains I had.

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jacked

13 years ago

Great thread, really looking forward to the results. Any updates?

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Natlex 13 years ago

Originally Posted by jacked

Great thread, really looking forward to the results. Any updates?

It's Sunday so it might be a good time to do updates.

I checked all the rankings and so far only the one that I only used AMR on has breached the top 100

I uploaded an image for this one, for those wondering:
KW #4 is 49
Kw #3 is 50
KW #1 is 69
KW #2 is 70

Since AMR has no "pending review" submission time besides on each individuals article directory discretion I guess that might explain why it is the first to show results and break the top #100. The article samurai keyword for this category was done syndicating after 2 days... I'll probably try to submit a category around the same topic but that might fit in another category that hopefully will take longer to syndicate. One category on AS has been syndicating for 6 days now! Not sure if the longer time = more submissions or AS simply allots a random syndication time but it's definitely something to test.

Off topic for this case study but the article that took 6 days to syndicate is showing increase in rankings so far (NOT RELATED TO THIS NICHE NOR THESE DOMAINS, just an article samurai observation since many people are wondering about it !!!)
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Nero Arcnumé

13 years ago

Very interesting thread. As someone new to this, it's easy to get lost in all of the tools that are out there. So when the time comes for me to decide which tools to buy, it's comparison threads like this that really help in making a decision!

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Henri Lind

13 years ago

Great thread! Keep us updated. I'd like to see the results with UAW as i haven't used it myself and dont have a clue about it.

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kaedus

13 years ago

A similar study has been done that can be viewed here:
Final Results: UAW vs AMA vs AR vs FTS vs SEOLV vs SYA | Marketer's Center Blog

It will be interesting to compare your study with this one.

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rachs 13 years ago

good case study bud.

+1 after you past some weeks and updates
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- amleeco 13 years ago
  
  Great! I was shut out of the article samurai purchase when it came out last week. Looking forward to your results!
  
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BLSquared

13 years ago

Hey Natlex,

I was able to get in on Article Samurai as well. One thing I discovered however which should put a small twist in your study is that UAW is one of the networks included in Article Samurai. The reason I found out was because one of the many articles I submitted got rejected and in the notes of the rejection notice was a help file that was on the the UAW website. It appears it was created and returned back by a reviewer from UAW. It appears that they can distinguish between direct UAW subscribers and those submitting through AS as I couldn't access the help file because I don't have a direct UAW account.

Many people seemed to have been confused by Article Samurai because Noble included some of the tools that are in Market Samurai in the interface. Essentially Article Samurai is a software that allows you to submit articles to multiple well known Authority Directory and Blog Networks that people are already paying monthly subscriptions to like UAW. So far UAW can be confirmed to be a part of this. That's $67 month out of the $97/month already. I'm certain as time passes we'll discover some of the other well known Blog Networks that are part of Article Samurai and will likely see that we are getting access to these networks a substantial discount over what direct subscribers are paying. Hence, why these networks would not want this info public and why Noble didn't announce them.

For those using Article Ranks, have you looked at your distribution counts lately. When I started with AR I used to get an average distribution of about 115 blogs per article and at the time I wasn't even aware you could select multiple subcategories within a category at no additional cost. My highest distribution now is just under 30 and everything else is archived. Not to mention they also slapped on the now 10 domain limit (after people were so furious about the initial 5 domain limit). I'll be dropping them and BuildMyRank to use AS for a while and see how that goes.

As everyone else mentioned, the spinning component could use some improvement but its really not that big a deal. The key is how wide of a distribution we get with the article. How well an article is spun is not a concern for us the marketer but instead for the blog owner. We care about the backlink which we get regardless and they care about appearing in search results.

I'm hoping Noble finds a way to report back how wide a distribution count we get from each article submitted. That is the one major missing component. Otherwise, so far so good.

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Natlex

13 years ago

Originally Posted by BLSquared

Hey Natlex,

I was able to get in on Article Samurai as well. One thing I discovered however which should put a small twist in your study is that UAW is one of the networks included in Article Samurai. The reason I found out was because one of the many articles I submitted got rejected and in the notes of the rejection notice was a help file that was on the the UAW website. It appears it was created and returned back by a reviewer from UAW. It appears that they can distinguish between direct UAW subscribers and those submitting through AS as I couldn't access the help file because I don't have a direct UAW account.

Thanks a lot for sharing, so by conclusion the AS website sohuld have higher rankings then the UAW one (sends to UAW AND elsewhere). It will be interesting to see if this is the case. For now I sent 10 articles (only 1 to the domain in this case study) and had no rejections by the article approval team.

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BLSquared

13 years ago

I'm glad you're doing this so we can know for sure. I just had two of my articles that were submitted on July 30th and July 31st flagged as "syndicated" which should mean its finished being published to all directories and blog networks.

They state the distribution on average for their case studies was 150. Did my articles get published that many places in less than a week? I doubt it and the problem as previously stated is they don't give you a number to say yes or no.

I think your Case Study may be the only way for now at least to get an idea. I've written them about this again because their initial response of checking backlinks is not adequate unless everyone does what you are doing for this study.

What Percent Uniqueness are the articles you've submitted Spun?

Originally Posted by Natlex

Thanks a lot for sharing, so by conclusion the AS website sohuld have higher rankings then the UAW one (sends to UAW AND elsewhere). It will be interesting to see if this is the case. For now I sent 10 articles (only 1 to the domain in this case study) and had no rejections by the article approval team.

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Natlex

13 years ago

Originally Posted by BLSquared

What Percent Uniqueness are the articles you've submitted Spun?

It varies a lot but 30-80%. Networks that accept 2 levels of spin syntax have a sentence + word spun article. Sadly article samurai only accepts 1 level for example but the rest have a more highly spun article.

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BLSquared

13 years ago

Thanks. I had my writer/spinner change to spinning at the sentence level and just imported that into AS. Its showing spun 99%. I'll be interested to see if it makes any difference based on the networks being used.

Originally Posted by Natlex

It varies a lot but 30-80%. Networks that accept 2 levels of spin syntax have a sentence + word spun article. Sadly article samurai only accepts 1 level for example but the rest have a more highly spun article.

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Tom L

13 years ago

I've had great results with AMR myself... after I increased the number of sites that I can submit too.

Tested it vs. UAW, article ranks and some others... beats them all hands down.

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Natlex

13 years ago

Week 2 update, wow the only one that still has breached the top 100 is the one that only has AMR... The only reason I can see this happening is it probably randomly chose some high pr/authority websites to submit to at first and things should even out later. Also, somehow... the inner page got a PR1 with just a few AMR links!?

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BlakeM

13 years ago

Originally Posted by Natlex

Week 2 update, wow the only one that still has breached the top 100 is the one that only has AMR... The only reason I can see this happening is it probably randomly chose some high pr/authority websites to submit to at first and things should even out later. Also, somehow... the inner page got a PR1 with just a few AMR links!?

Google was very generous with their most recent PR update. It may go back down... who knows.

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rajivkumar900 13 years ago

good to see some live case study keep update my friend..i have eye on it..
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BLSquared

13 years ago

Do you have Pingbacks enabled on your blogs? Just curious as that is giving me some good visibility into some of what is going out through AS and others. The linking for my AS submissions is different than how I insert links otherwise so they are pretty easy to distinguish.

Originally Posted by Natlex

Week 2 update, wow the only one that still has breached the top 100 is the one that only has AMR... The only reason I can see this happening is it probably randomly chose some high pr/authority websites to submit to at first and things should even out later. Also, somehow... the inner page got a PR1 with just a few AMR links!?

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Natlex

13 years ago

Originally Posted by BLSquared

Do you have Pingbacks enabled on your blogs? Just curious as that is giving me some good visibility into some of what is going out through AS and others. The linking for my AS submissions is different than how I insert links otherwise so they are pretty easy to distinguish.

It should be enabled but I haven't seen it happen on my blogs for a long time, maybe one of my plugins block it.. I'll try disabling some of my anti spam plugins and see if it re-allow these trackbacks.

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Natlex 13 years ago

So finally an update filled with a bit more results . All sites have shown some rankings besides the AMR + UAW one. I can only explain this by the fact that since it had both AMR and UAW backlinks I made both services drip feed articles a bit slower than the other ones, however all articles have been properly syndicated by now.

Article samurai results:

Linkamotion is next, some good results and a PR2 for the domain!

UAW only domain results:

AMR only results, also a PR2 for the domain!:

So some interesting results, the linkamotion and AMR only website somehow ended up with a PR2 for the domain. For now the AMR site has the best results but some of the others are catching up. I'm hoping Article Samurai will have stronger results soon...
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BLSquared

13 years ago

Great info. Very interesting to see how this is playing out. I'll share one observation I discovered yesterday as well. As I mentioned I have pingbacks enabled on one of the blogs I'm using with Article Samurai. The pingback count was just about 1000. I decided to look for a way to extract the URLs out of the pingbacks and found a great free plugin called Pingback Power (not enough posts to include link but easily searchable)

I exported all of the URLs out with the plugin and ran it through scrapebox. Out of nearly 1000 URLs only 177 were indexed. The bulk of these were from Article Samurai. I took the non-indexed link and through them into backlink engergizer. I'll watch to see how that impacts my backlink count.

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Tyke 13 years ago

I'm interested to see if the Article Samurai results improve. Unfortunately, I missed out on getting into that, but I'm on the waiting list in case they decide to open it up again. Any overall thoughts on Article Samurai from those of you using it?

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Natlex

13 years ago

Originally Posted by BLSquared

Great info. Very interesting to see how this is playing out. I'll share one observation I discovered yesterday as well. As I mentioned I have pingbacks enabled on one of the blogs I'm using with Article Samurai. The pingback count was just about 1000. I decided to look for a way to extract the URLs out of the pingbacks and found a great free plugin called Pingback Power (not enough posts to include link but easily searchable)

I exported all of the URLs out with the plugin and ran it through scrapebox. Out of nearly 1000 URLs only 177 were indexed. The bulk of these were from Article Samurai. I took the non-indexed link and through them into backlink engergizer. I'll watch to see how that impacts my backlink count.

Ya that's a good idea. I use to do that but for a mysterious reason found out that the plugin wp captcha free that I use to prevent spam was stopping "good" pingbacks/trackbacks! So I disabled it from these sites and they should be receiving those. Eventually I'll assemble all the links and try to get them indexed, I'll let you guys know when I do that (definitely not for another month or so).

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spideysteve

13 years ago

Very cool ... I was looking at AS and had some questions ... then did a search here on WF and found your thread ... interesting stuff and thanks for the info ...

How long are you going to continue your study?

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Natlex

13 years ago

Originally Posted by spideysteve

Very cool ... I was looking at AS and had some questions ... then did a search here on WF and found your thread ... interesting stuff and thanks for the info ...

How long are you going to continue your study?

Probably at least another month, it's still very early to know the results and some of these sites haven't even shown much change yet.

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Which type of article directories do you submit from AMR?

Not sure what you mean by this... Theirs not much choice. Though I added some article directories that are not in the inital AMR list but I doubt it makes much of a difference.

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cooler1 13 years ago

Interesting study. I've had AMR for 2 months, but my results have been disappointing.

In the article resource box, I put a link to both my sites main page and an inner page, but no backlinks have been indexed at all to my inner pages nor the main page.

I've created an RSS feed out of each of the live links reports and submitted it to RSS directories and also pinged the RSS feed.

For one of my sites, i've submitted 3 articles to AMR. Here are the results from the live links report.

Article 1. Articles found: 22
Article 2. Articles found: 93
Article 3. Articles found: 193

Although, the actual number of article URL's contained in the report is lower than the "Articles found" figure.

My main question is, how many articles found should I be getting in the live links reports to get decent results? Does it usually take a very long time for backlinks to get indexed?
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JumpstartSEO

13 years ago

Good stuff! I had honestly never heard of Linkamotion, but I'm very interested after checking out their site. Not too fond of being limited to 1000 links/month, but it's worth a try on some of my larger authority and review sites. And you've just added another reason to the list of why I should get AMR and get using it. I don't know why I keep putting that off.

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13 years ago

Hi,
Which type of article directories do you submit from AMR?

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D Baker

13 years ago

Great little test. I think you should update your initial post with the results you get. It would make it a lot easier for new folks coming to the thread see and understand the results instead of scrolling down all the comments to look for your update.

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Natlex

13 years ago

Originally Posted by D Baker

Great little test. I think you should update your initial post with the results you get. It would make it a lot easier for new folks coming to the thread see and understand the results instead of scrolling down all the comments to look for your update.

Thanks.

Oh great idea! BTW thanks a lot for your pingback plugin, I will be using it in a few weeks to collect all the pingbacks from this case study to the 5 domains and try to get all the backlinks indexed using various tools/services.

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Natlex 13 years ago

Here's the latest update, not a lot of change. The UAW only site has one keyword that is finally in the top 100... For an odd reason the AMR + UAW site still does not show anywhere in rankings. I'm not too suprised by the UAW results taking time, that's very normal for that service since a lot of directories have long approval times (but UAW usually turns out to give great results around 2 months after submission).

I am surprised STILL that the AMR + UAW site is nowhere near competing with the AMR only site... Maybe it has a bit of a google dance since it's getting a lot more backlinks, we'll see over time if it settles.

AMR only site, the clear winner still:

Article Samurai site:

Linkamotion site:

UAW only site:

UAW + AMR site, no ranking keywords yet so no image.
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chienb

13 years ago

Interesting analysis. Although I'm doing superb with SEnuke, AMR is quite attractive. Hmmm...

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Morpheus26

13 years ago

Hi there,

first I want to thank Natlex for this awesome case study.
So you basically used URLs of your websites directly in your submissions, right? You did not link the articles to web 2.0 sites which then link to your money sites? I just ask since a couple of guys are telling other people not to use AMR or UAW on your money site directly and since I have a couple of clients where I cannot afford that there websites drop in rankings I just wanted to double check,

Second question is about AMR directly. I will buy AMR this or next week latest and as far as I understand it correctly it comes with a list of directories it submits to - now is this list any good or do we have to scrape our own directories or is it probably better to buy a list on Fiverr or some other service of that kind? Any recommendations?

And a question about using AMR the right way then. First I have to register on all of these directories with the help of AMR. Then I have to set categories for the articles and then I can submit my articles.
Can I also drip feed my articles, let's say like to 50 or 100 article directories per day or something along those lines? (Update: I checked that and I as far as I can tell it can drip feed)
How many articles do I need to write in order to be able to get started (and I am talking about a unique well written article here not a spun article)?
And when everything is set up how often do you use AMR then? Once a day, once a week or once a month?
And last question - when you setup AMR to drip feed lets say 5 articles every hour - do we need to have AMR running all the time or does it submit your settings to a server and then the server actually drip feeds the articles? So basically, can I setup everything and hit submit and after that close AMR?
And is it true that you need a new author everytime you want to submit an article with the same keywords and URLs?

And what I think is also interesting to notice in your case study is that the AMR site has the best rankings but not a single backlink shows up in MS, whereas the linkamotion service obviously creates quite a lot of backlinks (round about 117). Do you have an idea why?

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Natlex

13 years ago

1) You can use it both ways, for this case study yes it's linked directly to the sites (and most of the time even without a case study and my real money sites)

2) The initial directory list is very vast, you can add a bit more but it's more or less worth it, most won't work hence why they are not already in AMR. But I was able to add an extra 100 or so working directories, mine actually says 1k+ above the release amount but most don't work as I said.

3) Yes it drip feeds if you want.

4) how many articles you want to write depends on you, I rarely do more then 1-2 article for AMR per website/month. (which is also how often I use it, a few times a month)

5) you need AMR running, I use a VPS that has AMR and other stuff like senukex/scrapebox on.

6) I guess it just means majestic seo is more efficient at finding the linkamotion links (blog networks) vs the article directory ones. We'll see what happens once I start trying to index the non indexed backlinks.

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Morpheus26

13 years ago

Thanks for all your answers Natlex.
Lets say I do not have a VPS and I just start AMR every morning, it would work the same way right?
What is the reason for a VPS running Scrapebox since there is so much interaction needed in order to use it right, what do you use Scrapebox for on your VPS?

One or two articles per month per site, that sounds doable. I just do not want to write one article each day like some other systems need you to do like BMR or UAW.

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LiftMyRank

13 years ago

Morpheus, dedicated/virtual servers are a must for serious backlinking, it just gives you that extra capability you never had, having a backlink campaign running on a server gives you peace of mind when your computer isn't on or lagging. If you're only doing 1 article per day then maybe not, however you'll naturally want to scale and having the extra firepower always comes in handy.

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Morpheus26

13 years ago

Originally Posted by John Moore

Morpheus, dedicated/virtual servers are a must for serious backlinking, it just gives you that extra capability you never had, having a backlink campaign running on a server gives you peace of mind when your computer isn't on or lagging. If you're only doing 1 article per day then maybe not, however you'll naturally want to scale and having the extra firepower always comes in handy.

Ok I see that you can let your programs run in the background. That is an advantage of course and I can see this advantage for programs like SENuke or AMR once setup but how would you use it with Scrapebox and how much is such a VPS system per month? I have a couple of tools that I would like to run 24 hours a day and this would help.

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Natlex

13 years ago

Originally Posted by John Moore

Morpheus, dedicated/virtual servers are a must for serious backlinking, it just gives you that extra capability you never had, having a backlink campaign running on a server gives you peace of mind when your computer isn't on or lagging. If you're only doing 1 article per day then maybe not, however you'll naturally want to scale and having the extra firepower always comes in handy.

Yes you can just log on the moning and let it run the scheduled articles but seriously, getting a VPS is a must. You can find cheap ones for $15 per motnh that work well. I'm currently running a $30/month solution with 2gb of ram because at 1gb (the $15 one) I was only able to run 2 programs at a time. Now with 2 I can run it them all in the background and actively work on one without any lag. I have been using scrapebox + sick submitter at times without problems with the 2gb option.

You can see a post I made about it here: Guide to Using a Windows Virtual Private Server to make your life easier | The Link Back

Ya I have an affiliate link to http://www.thrustvps.com/ in my blog post but they pay a measly $1 per month that you are active so honestly I recommend them because it has worked well for me despite the extreme low cost.

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That Guy

13 years ago

Wow, you also gained some PR using only AMR and it's only been a month! I think I need to fine tune the way I'm using AMR because yo're getting much faster results than me especially from just using one form of backlinking.

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johnrichardjack

13 years ago

are you just hitting your home page with the links from AMR and UAW or are you spreading the links to other pages of your site?

do you submit all of the articles all at once or do you drip feed the submissions?

will hitting your homepage with too many links from AMR and UAW get your blog sandboxed?

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Natlex

13 years ago

Originally Posted by johnrichardjack

are you just hitting your home page with the links from AMR and UAW or are you spreading the links to other pages of your site?

do you submit all of the articles all at once or do you drip feed the submissions?

will hitting your homepage with too many links from AMR and UAW get your blog sandboxed?

I've explained all of that in my posts but yes, 1 link to homepage (with 2 keywords) and another link to an inner page (with the other 2 keywords).

I almost always drip feed.

Who knows what exactly will get you sandboxed until it happens...

BTW, last week of updates because the results barely moved, I'll update it in a few days and most likely only do 2 week updates with images as usual from now on.

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Natlex

13 years ago

Ok here's week 6 update. I think I will start compiling the pingbacks this week and sending links to the backlinks now and try to get them all indexed.

AMR and UAW results:

AMR only results, lost a bit of rankings this week, google dance maybe?

Article Samura results, starting to rank well but only the inner page, a bit odd.

UAW only

Linkamotion:

So all sites are ranking right now at least, some might be in the middle of small Google Dances.

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Texjd

13 years ago

I did a compariosn this summer of AMR and UAW and got similar results. It was no where near as scientific as yours but the bottom line was AMR came out on top by far. And over the 3 months my PR was good enough to give some good juice to use my own websites to get some good links.

As far as the serps go, it was really all over the place depending on the keywords. Never got on page 1 but all moved up into position for other linking to have greater impact. So AMR is one of my key components in linking.

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Morpheus26

13 years ago

Ok you got me I bought and setup a VPS today. I also signed up at the AMR article directories. Now one of my last questions is how long do AMR articles need to be in order to get the best submission results? Do you use spinned articles for that or do you write original content? Maybe someone is willing to share just one of his old articles that he/she submitted to the AMR network, just that I see how you structured these articles. That would be awesome.

Thanks and I am really looking forward to see the links from AMR getting indexed, but I mean what matters most are the rankings and there AMR seems to be on top paired with linkamotion.

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Natlex

13 years ago

Originally Posted by Morpheus26

Ok you got me I bought and setup a VPS today. I also signed up at the AMR article directories. Now one of my last questions is how long do AMR articles need to be in order to get the best submission results? Do you use spinned articles for that or do you write original content? Maybe someone is willing to share just one of his old articles that he/she submitted to the AMR network, just that I see how you structured these articles. That would be awesome.

Thanks and I am really looking forward to see the links from AMR getting indexed, but I mean what matters most are the rankings and there AMR seems to be on top paired with linkamotion.

I have 400-450 words with spin syntax.

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Tom L

13 years ago

I've had some good success with AMR so far, its really good for getting your other links strengthened.

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PeterTod 13 years ago

I too just missed out of buying into article samurai last month.

Really want to know how AS works and this case study is a great read.

Keep up the good work - bookmarked this thread.
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jonkjonk

13 years ago

For anyone afraid to ask, AMR is Article Marketing Robot and UAW is Unique Article Wizard

Thanks for the thread, it's been very handy

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Morpheus26

13 years ago

Thanks Natlex.
Appreciate it.

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blhunt

13 years ago

Some days lately I'm using SENuke, AMR, BMD, scrapebox, initially the result is very satisfying because I can win the high competition keywords. However, since yesterday, my visitor suddenly dropped to 90%.

Currently, i just update my site without any optimization. May my site can have a lot of visitors again.

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Morpheus26

13 years ago

If you have Scrapebox, BMD, AMR, Market Samurai and Forum Profile Creation software, is there really a need for SENuke X and what would be the advantage of it? What is probably the best unique selling point for SENuke X that justifies this huge monthly fee? Would be cool to get some more information from you guys. Thanks.

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Natlex

13 years ago

Originally Posted by Morpheus26

If you have Scrapebox, BMD, AMR, Market Samurai and Forum Profile Creation software, is there really a need for SENuke X and what would be the advantage of it? What is probably the best unique selling point for SENuke X that justifies this huge monthly fee? Would be cool to get some more information from you guys. Thanks.

I still don't really get the point of senukex personally.. I would really love to see rankings results of people who have used senukex only for direct linking and can show it's ranking improvements. Since senukex is so much money for affiliates a ton of people like to say it's amazing but the fact is BMD is better for bookmarking, AMR is better for article marketing/distribution and they are both one time fees. The only thing I like about senukeX is the fact that it can quickly make web 2.0s but I'm not sure how useful making so many web 2.0s is compared to having manually done and updated 5-15 of them....

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PeterTod

13 years ago

Hmm, yes I've always wondered why people rave on about senuke. I took a quick look and thought it was too expensive for what it is, but yeah maybe people give it great reviews because of its high affiliate payout, nice mthly income.

By the way I tried to use the contact form on your linkback website and it's not working. I haven't found a better no bull**** information site like that in a long long time. Keep on going with this test and with your superb input on your blog and forum.

Good luck to you, Cheers!

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Natlex

13 years ago

Originally Posted by PeterTod

Hmm, yes I've always wondered why people rave on about senuke. I took a quick look and thought it was too expensive for what it is, but yeah maybe people give it great reviews because of its high affiliate payout, nice mthly income.

By the way I tried to use the contact form on your linkback website and it's not working. I haven't found a better no bull**** information site like that in a long long time. Keep on going with this test and with your superb input on your blog and forum.

Good luck to you, Cheers!

Oh wow you are right... It seems akismet is having issues with it. I removed it and just put my email address instead. Thanks for the compliments on the blog

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DebiNZ

13 years ago

Great thread, I've subscribed. Interested to keep updated with your results.

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Natlex 13 years ago

Originally Posted by DebiNZ

Great thread, I've subscribed. Interested to keep updated with your results.

I'll do an update in a few days, I've started doing backlinks to the services giving me pingbacks, maybe that will favor some of them over others.
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oscarkool

13 years ago

senuke x is extremely overrated, I've had the software for awhile and I can't remember the last time I saw a true success story from it - it's all hype. And like you said, the only reason people 'rave' about it is because of the huge commissions. Sure, it's all based on the person actually using it, but article spinning and blasting is so pre-panda. There's a reason your linkamotion links are working so well - it's a legit network. If you were to submit higher quality articles to the network instead of spun ones, I guarantee you'd rank much higher, much more quickly.

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PeterTod

13 years ago

Originally Posted by oscarkool

There's a reason your linkamotion links are working so well - it's a legit network. If you were to submit higher quality articles to the network instead of spun ones, I guarantee you'd rank much higher, much more quickly.

Looks like linkamotion is giving the worst results from the 5th Sept update - or am I reading the results wrong?

Sorry - just looked again and it was me reading them wrong!