Sept 6 Update: Case study of AMR VS UAW VS linkamotion VS Article Samurai

by Natlex
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Hey guys, for a while now I've been debating if UAW is worth keeping for those who have AMR (one time fee). Uaw is really expensive at $67/month or so and obviously I, and many of you that use both, can save a lot of money if AMR is enough. I decided I might as well compare it to other services that are newer and that I haven't had the time to try on my current $ domains too.

So, with that in mind I decided to register 5 domains that all contain my keyword+5 random words such as info/blog/guide/review/hq.

All 5 domains will rank for 2 keywords in their domain name which are KW1 + KW2 (which is only an "s" added at the end of KW1, the plural).

I also gave them all an inner page that will contain a KW3 in the title, in the "alt" of an image and 3 times (not more or less) in the text. While I do not mention KW4, I will be promoting it with backlinks to this page. The article is 500 words on all of these 5 domains.

Domain 1 + page 1 UAW
Domain 2 + page 2 AMR testing
Domain 3 + page 3 UAW + AMR testing
Domain 4 + page 4 linkamotion (only 1 link per article, so half will be to the domain and the other half to the inner page)
Domain 5 + page 5 Article Samurai! Currently in beta, this is basically like AMR and was made by the developers of market samurai. Since I am in the beta (which is sadly ending in a week), I decided to quickly send an article to be syndicated across their article/blog network to compare with AMR and also it will be a good indicator for me if it's worth buying when it comes out...

So, KW1/Kw2 to the domain and KW3/4 to an inner page on each domain with a similar image/keyword density (of only KW3).

The domains are 2 months old by now so they should not be too young to start linking to (I usually wait 3 months before I use automation/article distribution services).

Today I started the article samurai and linkamotion syndication ( I wanted to get article samurai done since the beta is ending soon). Tomorrow I will do UAW/AMR and UAW + AMR.

Right now, none of the websites are ranking in the top 200 for any keyword, despite them all having 5 or 6 articles for at least a month. So, these are not keywords that will rank by themselves without any backlink!

Let me know if you guys have any questions or clarifications or tips on other things I should consider to make things as equal as possible!

I might reveal the domains in a month or so, not too sure. Btw, 4 of them are .info. The linkamotion one is a .net. I doubt theirs much a difference between .info or .net but JUST IN CASE I wanted to have a non .info in this test. Also, Linkamotion is not the same as the other services + I was really interested on seeing if the service works or not in this case, not really to compare it with others since it's an entirely private blog network.

Sept 6 UPDATE:
Ok here's week 6 update. I think I will start compiling the pingbacks this week and sending links to the backlinks now and try to get them all indexed.

AMR and UAW results:



AMR only results, lost a bit of rankings this week, google dance maybe?


Article Samura results, starting to rank well but only the inner page, a bit odd.



UAW only



Linkamotion:





So all sites are ranking right now at least, some might be in the middle of small Google Dances.
#amr #article #beta #case #linkamotion #samurai #study #uaw
  • Profile picture of the author RevSEO
    Sweet! I actually haven't heard of a few of your link solutions that you are using and I look forward to seeing the results.

    I've used AMR & UAW and am pretty familiar with them, but I'll let you post your own experiences with those to. I appreciate all of these sort of case study posts, especially when I haven't used them!
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    • Profile picture of the author Natlex
      Originally Posted by RevSEO View Post

      I've used AMR & UAW and am pretty familiar with them, but I'll let you post your own experiences with those to. I appreciate all of these sort of case study posts, especially when I haven't used them!
      I used both AMR and UAW to good results, but since they have a lot of overlap in terms of article directories they probably both submit to I'm hoping to see if keeping my UAW subscription is worth it over only using AMR. Basically, the UAW+ AMR domain should be pulling ahead of the one using only AMR and the one only using UAW for me to keep it .
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  • Profile picture of the author Oliver Denton
    Keep us updated, as I am curious too. UAW is expensive I agree.
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  • Profile picture of the author jpizzle
    I am currently running a test with AMR as well. I've been reading all these threads on how article marketing is dead. I want to find out for myself how effective AMR and article marketing is. Keep us posted on the case study. I think I may start one as well.
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    • Profile picture of the author freddylan
      good case study, i am using UAW at the moment and i was thinking to buy AMR.
      keep it update
      all the best
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  • Profile picture of the author JamesE3
    Looks like a good case study. I'd be interested in hearing your thoughts about Article Samurai.
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    Ambitious project and keep updated. I have just bought AMR and really want to see results.
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  • Profile picture of the author Natlex
    Ok all the articles are submitted for all domains. For UAW/AMR/article samurai each domain got one article with 2 levels of spun syntax (title,body and ressource box). The linkamotion domain has about 100 articles Q'd for it and should be drip fed at a rate of 5 per day (each article is only 1 link unlike the first 3 article distribution services which each contain 2)..

    Looking foward to the results ! So far all domains are not in the top 100 for any of the 4 keywords.
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    • Profile picture of the author higherstate
      Hey Natlex, really interested to see the results, thanks for documenting for us all.

      I just tested AMR but was waiting for the article samurai launch. As you have been in beta for it for a while, what are your initial impressions comparing it to AMR?

      Not sure which to go for at the moment.
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  • Profile picture of the author MastrGrdnr
    For those of you who are currently using the above tools and have been for a while, is all of this (the thousands of back links this is supposed to generate) holding up with the new Big G algo change?
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    • Profile picture of the author eco
      Thanks for doing this case study. I'm looking for a good article submission service so I'm keen to see the results.

      What are your initial thoughts about Article Samurai? Does the content spinner produce good (intelligible) results?
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  • Profile picture of the author Natlex
    Well I just bought article samurai. Damn it's expensive.. $100/month for beta users and it will apparently be higher for others. Anyway, I was seeing a bit of movement after only 1-2 weeks and I decided to try it for more of my main websites and because I wanted to be sure the article is going to be properly syndicated for the test domain.

    I'll probably submit a second article to all services in 2-3 weeks or so (by then it should be done being drip fed with all services for the first article).

    I'm really happy I had these domains waiting for a test.. I really hope article samurai beats everything at the expensive monthly price it's at...

    For those of you who are currently using the above tools and have been for a while, is all of this (the thousands of back links this is supposed to generate) holding up with the new Big G algo change?


    I do see more flutuations in rankings now then before the panda update in February but since 80%+ of my links are from blog networks and article directories and my income is relatively stable and has slowly increased since March, ya I think it's fine. I think some of the fluctuations are when some networks lose power (I think BMR is getting weaker... my keywords that were only promoted with it seem to always lose their ranking over time)

    What are your initial thoughts about Article Samurai? Does the content spinner produce good (intelligible) results?

    I did not use the content spinner, I still just use the best spinner and my articles were already ready with spin syntax so all I did was create some ressource boxes. Article samurai does come with 50 "tokens" for content boss automatic spinning, I'll see how effective it is, but I doubt it can be much better then just doing a auto spin "best" on TBS.
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  • Profile picture of the author John34
    This is interested case study, i signed up to your thread. Are you using any other form of link building other than article submission to these networks?

    I wanted to sign up for Article Samurai today, but looks like they have been sold out. I hope they will open again soon.
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  • Profile picture of the author resshin
    already bookmarked!! I really loved to read a case study like this..
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  • Profile picture of the author bluenetworx
    Sounds cool, I'm looking at Article Samurai now myself, as the number of links does look enticing, but whether they work or not is another question

    Look forward to seeing the results you get
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  • Profile picture of the author 110ben
    Hey Natlex
    Excellent work
    I agree with your comments about the spinner in article samurai, it is not good.Personally i much prefer tbs and i was wondering if you know whether i could drop a syntax ready article into article samurai instead of using their awful spinner.
    Rgds
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  • Profile picture of the author seobirk
    this actually looks really great.. as a Market Samurai user I was keen on purchasing Article Samurai and UAW to combine them into my SEO services, however the background of both is relatively foggy lately

    thanks you very much for doing this mate, will keep a close eye on this thread
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  • Profile picture of the author glennforum
    This is a great initiative to test different content development techniques and how they fare post-panda, please do keep us posted for any changes especially now that Google Panda is still updating its versions.
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  • Profile picture of the author dmswans
    You can use pre spun articles by the best spinner or any other spinner using the import feature of Article Samurai
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    • Profile picture of the author EmilyRoseSanders
      Article Samurai sounds too expensive - it would take you forever to make back your money, unless you have thousands of sites to rank and/or lots of clients to pass the cost onto.

      Regarding how has this type of backlinking fared since teh panda updates - I've used both AMR and Article Ranks. Article Ranks produces better results, but in my opinion you can get good results whichever network you use - as long as you really go to town with the spinning. The more unique the articles you produce, the better chance of them staying indexed
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      • Profile picture of the author OpticalOut
        Originally Posted by EmilyRoseSanders View Post

        Article Samurai sounds too expensive - it would take you forever to make back your money, unless you have thousands of sites to rank and/or lots of clients to pass the cost onto.
        Lol, what are you charging clients? $10 per month?

        If you were using that service for clients, it would only take one or maybe two to justify it's cost.
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      • Profile picture of the author Natlex
        Originally Posted by EmilyRoseSanders View Post

        Article Samurai sounds too expensive - it would take you forever to make back your money, unless you have thousands of sites to rank and/or lots of clients to pass the cost onto.

        Regarding how has this type of backlinking fared since teh panda updates - I've used both AMR and Article Ranks. Article Ranks produces better results, but in my opinion you can get good results whichever network you use - as long as you really go to town with the spinning. The more unique the articles you produce, the better chance of them staying indexed
        Yup I agree, Article ranks works really well for me and that is why I did not even include it in this study. The initial goal of this was to see if UAW was worth keeping when you have AMR (one time cost).

        Since I had bought 5 domains and after the 2 month period passed I ended up discovering Linkamotion and article samurai, I decided to use those on the extra 2 domains I had.
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  • Profile picture of the author jacked
    Great thread, really looking forward to the results. Any updates?
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    • Profile picture of the author Natlex
      Originally Posted by jacked View Post

      Great thread, really looking forward to the results. Any updates?
      It's Sunday so it might be a good time to do updates.

      I checked all the rankings and so far only the one that I only used AMR on has breached the top 100

      I uploaded an image for this one, for those wondering:
      KW #4 is 49
      Kw #3 is 50
      KW #1 is 69
      KW #2 is 70


      Since AMR has no "pending review" submission time besides on each individuals article directory discretion I guess that might explain why it is the first to show results and break the top #100. The article samurai keyword for this category was done syndicating after 2 days... I'll probably try to submit a category around the same topic but that might fit in another category that hopefully will take longer to syndicate. One category on AS has been syndicating for 6 days now! Not sure if the longer time = more submissions or AS simply allots a random syndication time but it's definitely something to test.

      Off topic for this case study but the article that took 6 days to syndicate is showing increase in rankings so far (NOT RELATED TO THIS NICHE NOR THESE DOMAINS, just an article samurai observation since many people are wondering about it !!!)
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  • Profile picture of the author Nero Arcnumé
    Very interesting thread. As someone new to this, it's easy to get lost in all of the tools that are out there. So when the time comes for me to decide which tools to buy, it's comparison threads like this that really help in making a decision!
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  • Profile picture of the author Henri Lind
    Great thread! Keep us updated. I'd like to see the results with UAW as i haven't used it myself and dont have a clue about it.
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  • Profile picture of the author kaedus
    A similar study has been done that can be viewed here:
    Final Results: UAW vs AMA vs AR vs FTS vs SEOLV vs SYA | Marketer's Center Blog

    It will be interesting to compare your study with this one.
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  • Profile picture of the author BLSquared
    Hey Natlex,

    I was able to get in on Article Samurai as well. One thing I discovered however which should put a small twist in your study is that UAW is one of the networks included in Article Samurai. The reason I found out was because one of the many articles I submitted got rejected and in the notes of the rejection notice was a help file that was on the the UAW website. It appears it was created and returned back by a reviewer from UAW. It appears that they can distinguish between direct UAW subscribers and those submitting through AS as I couldn't access the help file because I don't have a direct UAW account.

    Many people seemed to have been confused by Article Samurai because Noble included some of the tools that are in Market Samurai in the interface. Essentially Article Samurai is a software that allows you to submit articles to multiple well known Authority Directory and Blog Networks that people are already paying monthly subscriptions to like UAW. So far UAW can be confirmed to be a part of this. That's $67 month out of the $97/month already. I'm certain as time passes we'll discover some of the other well known Blog Networks that are part of Article Samurai and will likely see that we are getting access to these networks a substantial discount over what direct subscribers are paying. Hence, why these networks would not want this info public and why Noble didn't announce them.

    For those using Article Ranks, have you looked at your distribution counts lately. When I started with AR I used to get an average distribution of about 115 blogs per article and at the time I wasn't even aware you could select multiple subcategories within a category at no additional cost. My highest distribution now is just under 30 and everything else is archived. Not to mention they also slapped on the now 10 domain limit (after people were so furious about the initial 5 domain limit). I'll be dropping them and BuildMyRank to use AS for a while and see how that goes.

    As everyone else mentioned, the spinning component could use some improvement but its really not that big a deal. The key is how wide of a distribution we get with the article. How well an article is spun is not a concern for us the marketer but instead for the blog owner. We care about the backlink which we get regardless and they care about appearing in search results.

    I'm hoping Noble finds a way to report back how wide a distribution count we get from each article submitted. That is the one major missing component. Otherwise, so far so good.
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    • Profile picture of the author Natlex
      Originally Posted by BLSquared View Post

      Hey Natlex,

      I was able to get in on Article Samurai as well. One thing I discovered however which should put a small twist in your study is that UAW is one of the networks included in Article Samurai. The reason I found out was because one of the many articles I submitted got rejected and in the notes of the rejection notice was a help file that was on the the UAW website. It appears it was created and returned back by a reviewer from UAW. It appears that they can distinguish between direct UAW subscribers and those submitting through AS as I couldn't access the help file because I don't have a direct UAW account.
      Thanks a lot for sharing, so by conclusion the AS website sohuld have higher rankings then the UAW one (sends to UAW AND elsewhere). It will be interesting to see if this is the case. For now I sent 10 articles (only 1 to the domain in this case study) and had no rejections by the article approval team.
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      • Profile picture of the author BLSquared
        I'm glad you're doing this so we can know for sure. I just had two of my articles that were submitted on July 30th and July 31st flagged as "syndicated" which should mean its finished being published to all directories and blog networks.

        They state the distribution on average for their case studies was 150. Did my articles get published that many places in less than a week? I doubt it and the problem as previously stated is they don't give you a number to say yes or no.

        I think your Case Study may be the only way for now at least to get an idea. I've written them about this again because their initial response of checking backlinks is not adequate unless everyone does what you are doing for this study.

        What Percent Uniqueness are the articles you've submitted Spun?


        Originally Posted by Natlex View Post

        Thanks a lot for sharing, so by conclusion the AS website sohuld have higher rankings then the UAW one (sends to UAW AND elsewhere). It will be interesting to see if this is the case. For now I sent 10 articles (only 1 to the domain in this case study) and had no rejections by the article approval team.
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        • Profile picture of the author Natlex
          Originally Posted by BLSquared View Post

          What Percent Uniqueness are the articles you've submitted Spun?
          It varies a lot but 30-80%. Networks that accept 2 levels of spin syntax have a sentence + word spun article. Sadly article samurai only accepts 1 level for example but the rest have a more highly spun article.
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          • Profile picture of the author BLSquared
            Thanks. I had my writer/spinner change to spinning at the sentence level and just imported that into AS. Its showing spun 99%. I'll be interested to see if it makes any difference based on the networks being used.


            Originally Posted by Natlex View Post

            It varies a lot but 30-80%. Networks that accept 2 levels of spin syntax have a sentence + word spun article. Sadly article samurai only accepts 1 level for example but the rest have a more highly spun article.
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  • Profile picture of the author Tom L
    I've had great results with AMR myself... after I increased the number of sites that I can submit too.

    Tested it vs. UAW, article ranks and some others... beats them all hands down.
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  • Profile picture of the author Natlex
    Week 2 update, wow the only one that still has breached the top 100 is the one that only has AMR... The only reason I can see this happening is it probably randomly chose some high pr/authority websites to submit to at first and things should even out later. Also, somehow... the inner page got a PR1 with just a few AMR links!?

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    • Profile picture of the author BlakeM
      Originally Posted by Natlex View Post

      Week 2 update, wow the only one that still has breached the top 100 is the one that only has AMR... The only reason I can see this happening is it probably randomly chose some high pr/authority websites to submit to at first and things should even out later. Also, somehow... the inner page got a PR1 with just a few AMR links!?

      Google was very generous with their most recent PR update. It may go back down... who knows.
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        good to see some live case study keep update my friend..i have eye on it..
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    • Profile picture of the author BLSquared
      Do you have Pingbacks enabled on your blogs? Just curious as that is giving me some good visibility into some of what is going out through AS and others. The linking for my AS submissions is different than how I insert links otherwise so they are pretty easy to distinguish.

      Originally Posted by Natlex View Post

      Week 2 update, wow the only one that still has breached the top 100 is the one that only has AMR... The only reason I can see this happening is it probably randomly chose some high pr/authority websites to submit to at first and things should even out later. Also, somehow... the inner page got a PR1 with just a few AMR links!?
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      • Profile picture of the author Natlex
        Originally Posted by BLSquared View Post

        Do you have Pingbacks enabled on your blogs? Just curious as that is giving me some good visibility into some of what is going out through AS and others. The linking for my AS submissions is different than how I insert links otherwise so they are pretty easy to distinguish.
        It should be enabled but I haven't seen it happen on my blogs for a long time, maybe one of my plugins block it.. I'll try disabling some of my anti spam plugins and see if it re-allow these trackbacks.
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        • Profile picture of the author Natlex
          So finally an update filled with a bit more results . All sites have shown some rankings besides the AMR + UAW one. I can only explain this by the fact that since it had both AMR and UAW backlinks I made both services drip feed articles a bit slower than the other ones, however all articles have been properly syndicated by now.


          Article samurai results:







          Linkamotion is next, some good results and a PR2 for the domain!




          UAW only domain results:







          AMR only results, also a PR2 for the domain!:








          So some interesting results, the linkamotion and AMR only website somehow ended up with a PR2 for the domain. For now the AMR site has the best results but some of the others are catching up. I'm hoping Article Samurai will have stronger results soon...
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  • Profile picture of the author BLSquared
    Great info. Very interesting to see how this is playing out. I'll share one observation I discovered yesterday as well. As I mentioned I have pingbacks enabled on one of the blogs I'm using with Article Samurai. The pingback count was just about 1000. I decided to look for a way to extract the URLs out of the pingbacks and found a great free plugin called Pingback Power (not enough posts to include link but easily searchable)

    I exported all of the URLs out with the plugin and ran it through scrapebox. Out of nearly 1000 URLs only 177 were indexed. The bulk of these were from Article Samurai. I took the non-indexed link and through them into backlink engergizer. I'll watch to see how that impacts my backlink count.
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    • Profile picture of the author Tyke
      I'm interested to see if the Article Samurai results improve. Unfortunately, I missed out on getting into that, but I'm on the waiting list in case they decide to open it up again. Any overall thoughts on Article Samurai from those of you using it?

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    • Profile picture of the author Natlex
      Originally Posted by BLSquared View Post

      Great info. Very interesting to see how this is playing out. I'll share one observation I discovered yesterday as well. As I mentioned I have pingbacks enabled on one of the blogs I'm using with Article Samurai. The pingback count was just about 1000. I decided to look for a way to extract the URLs out of the pingbacks and found a great free plugin called Pingback Power (not enough posts to include link but easily searchable)

      I exported all of the URLs out with the plugin and ran it through scrapebox. Out of nearly 1000 URLs only 177 were indexed. The bulk of these were from Article Samurai. I took the non-indexed link and through them into backlink engergizer. I'll watch to see how that impacts my backlink count.
      Ya that's a good idea. I use to do that but for a mysterious reason found out that the plugin wp captcha free that I use to prevent spam was stopping "good" pingbacks/trackbacks! So I disabled it from these sites and they should be receiving those. Eventually I'll assemble all the links and try to get them indexed, I'll let you guys know when I do that (definitely not for another month or so).
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  • Profile picture of the author spideysteve
    Very cool ... I was looking at AS and had some questions ... then did a search here on WF and found your thread ... interesting stuff and thanks for the info ...

    How long are you going to continue your study?
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    • Profile picture of the author Natlex
      Originally Posted by spideysteve View Post

      Very cool ... I was looking at AS and had some questions ... then did a search here on WF and found your thread ... interesting stuff and thanks for the info ...

      How long are you going to continue your study?
      Probably at least another month, it's still very early to know the results and some of these sites haven't even shown much change yet.

      Originally Posted by hardik jogi View Post

      Hi,
      Which type of article directories do you submit from AMR?

      Not sure what you mean by this... Theirs not much choice. Though I added some article directories that are not in the inital AMR list but I doubt it makes much of a difference.
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      • Profile picture of the author cooler1
        Interesting study. I've had AMR for 2 months, but my results have been disappointing.

        In the article resource box, I put a link to both my sites main page and an inner page, but no backlinks have been indexed at all to my inner pages nor the main page.

        I've created an RSS feed out of each of the live links reports and submitted it to RSS directories and also pinged the RSS feed.

        For one of my sites, i've submitted 3 articles to AMR. Here are the results from the live links report.

        Article 1. Articles found: 22
        Article 2. Articles found: 93
        Article 3. Articles found: 193

        Although, the actual number of article URL's contained in the report is lower than the "Articles found" figure.

        My main question is, how many articles found should I be getting in the live links reports to get decent results? Does it usually take a very long time for backlinks to get indexed?
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  • Profile picture of the author JumpstartSEO
    Good stuff! I had honestly never heard of Linkamotion, but I'm very interested after checking out their site. Not too fond of being limited to 1000 links/month, but it's worth a try on some of my larger authority and review sites. And you've just added another reason to the list of why I should get AMR and get using it. I don't know why I keep putting that off.
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  • Profile picture of the author Hardik Jogi
    Hi,
    Which type of article directories do you submit from AMR?
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  • Profile picture of the author D Baker
    Great little test. I think you should update your initial post with the results you get. It would make it a lot easier for new folks coming to the thread see and understand the results instead of scrolling down all the comments to look for your update.

    Thanks.
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    • Profile picture of the author Natlex
      Originally Posted by D Baker View Post

      Great little test. I think you should update your initial post with the results you get. It would make it a lot easier for new folks coming to the thread see and understand the results instead of scrolling down all the comments to look for your update.

      Thanks.
      Oh great idea! BTW thanks a lot for your pingback plugin, I will be using it in a few weeks to collect all the pingbacks from this case study to the 5 domains and try to get all the backlinks indexed using various tools/services.
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      • Profile picture of the author Natlex
        Here's the latest update, not a lot of change. The UAW only site has one keyword that is finally in the top 100... For an odd reason the AMR + UAW site still does not show anywhere in rankings. I'm not too suprised by the UAW results taking time, that's very normal for that service since a lot of directories have long approval times (but UAW usually turns out to give great results around 2 months after submission).

        I am surprised STILL that the AMR + UAW site is nowhere near competing with the AMR only site... Maybe it has a bit of a google dance since it's getting a lot more backlinks, we'll see over time if it settles.

        AMR only site, the clear winner still:



        Article Samurai site:



        Linkamotion site:



        UAW only site:



        UAW + AMR site, no ranking keywords yet so no image.
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  • Profile picture of the author Morpheus26
    Hi there,

    first I want to thank Natlex for this awesome case study.
    So you basically used URLs of your websites directly in your submissions, right? You did not link the articles to web 2.0 sites which then link to your money sites? I just ask since a couple of guys are telling other people not to use AMR or UAW on your money site directly and since I have a couple of clients where I cannot afford that there websites drop in rankings I just wanted to double check,

    Second question is about AMR directly. I will buy AMR this or next week latest and as far as I understand it correctly it comes with a list of directories it submits to - now is this list any good or do we have to scrape our own directories or is it probably better to buy a list on Fiverr or some other service of that kind? Any recommendations?

    And a question about using AMR the right way then. First I have to register on all of these directories with the help of AMR. Then I have to set categories for the articles and then I can submit my articles.
    Can I also drip feed my articles, let's say like to 50 or 100 article directories per day or something along those lines? (Update: I checked that and I as far as I can tell it can drip feed)
    How many articles do I need to write in order to be able to get started (and I am talking about a unique well written article here not a spun article)?
    And when everything is set up how often do you use AMR then? Once a day, once a week or once a month?
    And last question - when you setup AMR to drip feed lets say 5 articles every hour - do we need to have AMR running all the time or does it submit your settings to a server and then the server actually drip feeds the articles? So basically, can I setup everything and hit submit and after that close AMR?
    And is it true that you need a new author everytime you want to submit an article with the same keywords and URLs?

    And what I think is also interesting to notice in your case study is that the AMR site has the best rankings but not a single backlink shows up in MS, whereas the linkamotion service obviously creates quite a lot of backlinks (round about 117). Do you have an idea why?
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  • Profile picture of the author Natlex
    1) You can use it both ways, for this case study yes it's linked directly to the sites (and most of the time even without a case study and my real money sites)

    2) The initial directory list is very vast, you can add a bit more but it's more or less worth it, most won't work hence why they are not already in AMR. But I was able to add an extra 100 or so working directories, mine actually says 1k+ above the release amount but most don't work as I said.

    3) Yes it drip feeds if you want.

    4) how many articles you want to write depends on you, I rarely do more then 1-2 article for AMR per website/month. (which is also how often I use it, a few times a month)

    5) you need AMR running, I use a VPS that has AMR and other stuff like senukex/scrapebox on.

    6) I guess it just means majestic seo is more efficient at finding the linkamotion links (blog networks) vs the article directory ones. We'll see what happens once I start trying to index the non indexed backlinks.
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  • Profile picture of the author Morpheus26
    Thanks for all your answers Natlex.
    Lets say I do not have a VPS and I just start AMR every morning, it would work the same way right?
    What is the reason for a VPS running Scrapebox since there is so much interaction needed in order to use it right, what do you use Scrapebox for on your VPS?

    One or two articles per month per site, that sounds doable. I just do not want to write one article each day like some other systems need you to do like BMR or UAW.
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  • Profile picture of the author LiftMyRank
    Morpheus, dedicated/virtual servers are a must for serious backlinking, it just gives you that extra capability you never had, having a backlink campaign running on a server gives you peace of mind when your computer isn't on or lagging. If you're only doing 1 article per day then maybe not, however you'll naturally want to scale and having the extra firepower always comes in handy.
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    • Profile picture of the author Morpheus26
      Originally Posted by John Moore View Post

      Morpheus, dedicated/virtual servers are a must for serious backlinking, it just gives you that extra capability you never had, having a backlink campaign running on a server gives you peace of mind when your computer isn't on or lagging. If you're only doing 1 article per day then maybe not, however you'll naturally want to scale and having the extra firepower always comes in handy.
      Ok I see that you can let your programs run in the background. That is an advantage of course and I can see this advantage for programs like SENuke or AMR once setup but how would you use it with Scrapebox and how much is such a VPS system per month? I have a couple of tools that I would like to run 24 hours a day and this would help.
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    • Profile picture of the author Natlex
      Originally Posted by John Moore View Post

      Morpheus, dedicated/virtual servers are a must for serious backlinking, it just gives you that extra capability you never had, having a backlink campaign running on a server gives you peace of mind when your computer isn't on or lagging. If you're only doing 1 article per day then maybe not, however you'll naturally want to scale and having the extra firepower always comes in handy.

      Yes you can just log on the moning and let it run the scheduled articles but seriously, getting a VPS is a must. You can find cheap ones for $15 per motnh that work well. I'm currently running a $30/month solution with 2gb of ram because at 1gb (the $15 one) I was only able to run 2 programs at a time. Now with 2 I can run it them all in the background and actively work on one without any lag. I have been using scrapebox + sick submitter at times without problems with the 2gb option.

      You can see a post I made about it here: Guide to Using a Windows Virtual Private Server to make your life easier | The Link Back

      Ya I have an affiliate link to http://www.thrustvps.com/ in my blog post but they pay a measly $1 per month that you are active so honestly I recommend them because it has worked well for me despite the extreme low cost.
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  • Profile picture of the author That Guy
    Wow, you also gained some PR using only AMR and it's only been a month! I think I need to fine tune the way I'm using AMR because yo're getting much faster results than me especially from just using one form of backlinking.
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    • Profile picture of the author johnrichardjack
      are you just hitting your home page with the links from AMR and UAW or are you spreading the links to other pages of your site?

      do you submit all of the articles all at once or do you drip feed the submissions?

      will hitting your homepage with too many links from AMR and UAW get your blog sandboxed?
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      • Profile picture of the author Natlex
        Originally Posted by johnrichardjack View Post

        are you just hitting your home page with the links from AMR and UAW or are you spreading the links to other pages of your site?

        do you submit all of the articles all at once or do you drip feed the submissions?

        will hitting your homepage with too many links from AMR and UAW get your blog sandboxed?
        I've explained all of that in my posts but yes, 1 link to homepage (with 2 keywords) and another link to an inner page (with the other 2 keywords).

        I almost always drip feed.

        Who knows what exactly will get you sandboxed until it happens...

        BTW, last week of updates because the results barely moved, I'll update it in a few days and most likely only do 2 week updates with images as usual from now on.
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  • Profile picture of the author Natlex
    Ok here's week 6 update. I think I will start compiling the pingbacks this week and sending links to the backlinks now and try to get them all indexed.

    AMR and UAW results:



    AMR only results, lost a bit of rankings this week, google dance maybe?


    Article Samura results, starting to rank well but only the inner page, a bit odd.



    UAW only



    Linkamotion:





    So all sites are ranking right now at least, some might be in the middle of small Google Dances.
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  • Profile picture of the author Texjd
    I did a compariosn this summer of AMR and UAW and got similar results. It was no where near as scientific as yours but the bottom line was AMR came out on top by far. And over the 3 months my PR was good enough to give some good juice to use my own websites to get some good links.

    As far as the serps go, it was really all over the place depending on the keywords. Never got on page 1 but all moved up into position for other linking to have greater impact. So AMR is one of my key components in linking.
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  • Profile picture of the author Morpheus26
    Ok you got me I bought and setup a VPS today. I also signed up at the AMR article directories. Now one of my last questions is how long do AMR articles need to be in order to get the best submission results? Do you use spinned articles for that or do you write original content? Maybe someone is willing to share just one of his old articles that he/she submitted to the AMR network, just that I see how you structured these articles. That would be awesome.

    Thanks and I am really looking forward to see the links from AMR getting indexed, but I mean what matters most are the rankings and there AMR seems to be on top paired with linkamotion.
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    • Profile picture of the author Natlex
      Originally Posted by Morpheus26 View Post

      Ok you got me I bought and setup a VPS today. I also signed up at the AMR article directories. Now one of my last questions is how long do AMR articles need to be in order to get the best submission results? Do you use spinned articles for that or do you write original content? Maybe someone is willing to share just one of his old articles that he/she submitted to the AMR network, just that I see how you structured these articles. That would be awesome.

      Thanks and I am really looking forward to see the links from AMR getting indexed, but I mean what matters most are the rankings and there AMR seems to be on top paired with linkamotion.
      I have 400-450 words with spin syntax.
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  • Profile picture of the author Tom L
    I've had some good success with AMR so far, its really good for getting your other links strengthened.
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    • Profile picture of the author PeterTod
      I too just missed out of buying into article samurai last month.

      Really want to know how AS works and this case study is a great read.

      Keep up the good work - bookmarked this thread.
      Cheers!
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  • Profile picture of the author jonkjonk
    For anyone afraid to ask, AMR is Article Marketing Robot and UAW is Unique Article Wizard

    Thanks for the thread, it's been very handy
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  • Profile picture of the author Morpheus26
    Thanks Natlex.
    Appreciate it.
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  • Profile picture of the author blhunt
    Some days lately I'm using SENuke, AMR, BMD, scrapebox, initially the result is very satisfying because I can win the high competition keywords. However, since yesterday, my visitor suddenly dropped to 90%.

    Currently, i just update my site without any optimization. May my site can have a lot of visitors again.
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  • Profile picture of the author Morpheus26
    If you have Scrapebox, BMD, AMR, Market Samurai and Forum Profile Creation software, is there really a need for SENuke X and what would be the advantage of it? What is probably the best unique selling point for SENuke X that justifies this huge monthly fee? Would be cool to get some more information from you guys. Thanks.
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    • Profile picture of the author Natlex
      Originally Posted by Morpheus26 View Post

      If you have Scrapebox, BMD, AMR, Market Samurai and Forum Profile Creation software, is there really a need for SENuke X and what would be the advantage of it? What is probably the best unique selling point for SENuke X that justifies this huge monthly fee? Would be cool to get some more information from you guys. Thanks.
      I still don't really get the point of senukex personally.. I would really love to see rankings results of people who have used senukex only for direct linking and can show it's ranking improvements. Since senukex is so much money for affiliates a ton of people like to say it's amazing but the fact is BMD is better for bookmarking, AMR is better for article marketing/distribution and they are both one time fees. The only thing I like about senukeX is the fact that it can quickly make web 2.0s but I'm not sure how useful making so many web 2.0s is compared to having manually done and updated 5-15 of them....
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  • Profile picture of the author PeterTod
    Hmm, yes I've always wondered why people rave on about senuke. I took a quick look and thought it was too expensive for what it is, but yeah maybe people give it great reviews because of its high affiliate payout, nice mthly income.

    By the way I tried to use the contact form on your linkback website and it's not working. I haven't found a better no bull**** information site like that in a long long time. Keep on going with this test and with your superb input on your blog and forum.

    Good luck to you, Cheers!
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    • Profile picture of the author Natlex
      Originally Posted by PeterTod View Post

      Hmm, yes I've always wondered why people rave on about senuke. I took a quick look and thought it was too expensive for what it is, but yeah maybe people give it great reviews because of its high affiliate payout, nice mthly income.

      By the way I tried to use the contact form on your linkback website and it's not working. I haven't found a better no bull**** information site like that in a long long time. Keep on going with this test and with your superb input on your blog and forum.

      Good luck to you, Cheers!
      Oh wow you are right... It seems akismet is having issues with it. I removed it and just put my email address instead. Thanks for the compliments on the blog .
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  • Profile picture of the author DebiNZ
    Great thread, I've subscribed. Interested to keep updated with your results.
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    • Profile picture of the author Natlex
      Originally Posted by DebiNZ View Post

      Great thread, I've subscribed. Interested to keep updated with your results.
      I'll do an update in a few days, I've started doing backlinks to the services giving me pingbacks, maybe that will favor some of them over others.
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  • Profile picture of the author oscarkool
    senuke x is extremely overrated, I've had the software for awhile and I can't remember the last time I saw a true success story from it - it's all hype. And like you said, the only reason people 'rave' about it is because of the huge commissions. Sure, it's all based on the person actually using it, but article spinning and blasting is so pre-panda. There's a reason your linkamotion links are working so well - it's a legit network. If you were to submit higher quality articles to the network instead of spun ones, I guarantee you'd rank much higher, much more quickly.
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    • Profile picture of the author PeterTod
      Originally Posted by oscarkool View Post

      There's a reason your linkamotion links are working so well - it's a legit network. If you were to submit higher quality articles to the network instead of spun ones, I guarantee you'd rank much higher, much more quickly.
      Looks like linkamotion is giving the worst results from the 5th Sept update - or am I reading the results wrong?

      Sorry - just looked again and it was me reading them wrong!
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  • Profile picture of the author momokk22
    what a good job, Natlex, thanks for you case, I will keep on reading.
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  • Profile picture of the author Becker13
    Banned
    Youll always be my favorite SEO tool natalex =D
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