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Pagerank/Link Question

by rockinmagic2000
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During my keyword research for 100k adsense blueprint I do the straight up google search so I can check out the fifth position on the search page and I notice both the fifth and sixth positions have page ranks of 6 but no external backlinks. My goal per 100k manual is to find 5th position with no higher then Pagerank of 4 and less then 200 external links. My question- Does the fact that they have no external backlinks mean that I can beat them even though they have high Pageranks?:confused:
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    • Profile picture of the author dburk
      Hi rockinmagic2000,

      I see a couple of problems with your approach.

      First, PR is based on the strength of backlinks to a page. You cannot have a page with no backlinks that has a real PR6, something is very wrong there.

      Second, rankings are based neither on PR nor link count. You cannot use those two metrics as reliable indicators of your competitors' strength. You need to look deeper into the makeup of those backlinks. The only links that help the page rank are the relevant backlinks. You need to look at the relative strength of the relevant backlinks only.
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      • Profile picture of the author Matt Ward
        Originally Posted by dburk View Post

        Hi rockinmagic2000,

        I see a couple of problems with your approach.

        First, PR is based on the strength of backlinks to a page. You cannot have a page with no backlinks that has a real PR6, something is very wrong there.
        You can have a page with PR without external backlinks (or very few); I have experienced this myself. Generally this happens because the main domain has PR that it's passing down. I'm pretty sure this is the scenario he's talking about; a subpage on a domain.
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        • Profile picture of the author dburk
          Originally Posted by mattward View Post

          You can have a page with PR without external backlinks (or very few); I have experienced this myself. Generally this happens because the main domain has PR that it's passing down. I'm pretty sure this is the scenario he's talking about; a subpage on a domain.
          Hi mattward,

          Yes, you are right you can and usually do have PR with as few as one backlink. But I didn't say few backlinks I said "no" backlinks there is a significant difference in my assertion and yours.

          I do disagree with your assertion about the domain having PR. Google doesn't assign PR to domains. PR is assigned to individual pages. And any page that links to the page being analysed is considered a backlink, at least by Google it is. And yes that does include backlinks from internal as well as external pages.

          I agree with you that the OP may not have considered backlinks from internal pages. Clearly he wrote "both the fifth and sixth positions have page ranks of 6 but no external backlinks". The point that I failed to make clear is that PR comes from all backlinks, not just external backlinks. Thanks for pointing that out.
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  • Profile picture of the author InitialEffort
    There are more factors than just that. You need to take pagerank into consideration as a starting point along with total number of backlinks. But you also need to remember most of these people aren't doing SEO so they can be beaten.
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    Thanks so much for all the info. You guys rock!
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  • Profile picture of the author Roberto L
    A page with PR6 or more but at a high bounce rate means nothing in a certain aspect of view.. however, the higher PR you have, the better.

    Stick to adding links manually and after years, you will see the differences, google prefer the old pages and the absolute new ones with useful and orginal content.
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