Setting up private blog network - SEO EXPERTS HELP ME!

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Hey,

I'm looking to setup a private blog network and I've been reading on the forum people setting it up with .info domains. My question...if I register 100 .info domains and and build links from that network. If I let all domains expire will my sites lose those backlinks?

because i've seen .info domains are cheap when you register them first them but after renewal the price jumps.

Any feedback from SEO experts would be nice. If anyone has a PDF guide on setting up a private blog network that would be nice too.

Thanks!
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  • Profile picture of the author Clyde
    inb4 laclear vs. the mike's

    and yes, you will lose the backlinks.
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  • Profile picture of the author IMhunt
    instead of buying that many .info and letting it expire and losing all,
    buy high pr domains, host them on different ip, you can use and sell links also this way, invest back in more high pr domains for your network.
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    • Profile picture of the author dburk
      Hi ebizman,

      The first thing I would like to ask you is why? Why are you building a blog network? What is it that you hope to accomplish from having a network of blogs rather than a single blog or two? Once you answer that question I can offer advice to you.

      The fact is a lot of folks think they need a network of blogs when just one will work as well as many. There are legitimate reasons to build a blog network however your post does not indicate that.
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  • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
    Originally Posted by ebizman View Post

    Any feedback from SEO experts would be nice. If anyone has a PDF guide on setting up a private blog network that would be nice too.

    Thanks!

    PM me. Would be kind of crazy to get into this again after the last thread was locked.
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    • Profile picture of the author ProfessorSeo
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      Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

      PM me. Would be kind of crazy to get into this again after the last thread was locked.
      Lmbo yea i agree mike i followed the last post and it was crazy!
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      • Profile picture of the author senukeservices
        i would not suggest buying 100 info domains to build such a network. There are other means to build networks, using social networks, forum profiles, articles, web2.0...
        I would rather use senuke that doeas all that, and more. It builds links to your links, so that they really pass link juice to your money site
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        • Profile picture of the author Marc_L
          Originally Posted by senukeservices View Post

          i would not suggest buying 100 info domains to build such a network. There are other means to build networks, using social networks, forum profiles, articles, web2.0...
          I would rather use senuke that doeas all that, and more. It builds links to your links, so that they really pass link juice to your money site
          That isn't a network.
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  • Profile picture of the author simonbuzz
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    Info domains are not worth it...try purchasing some high pr domains...
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    • Profile picture of the author Marc_L
      We'd need to know the purposes for the OPs desire to create a network of blogs.

      What is your budget? If money is no object you can buy aged domains and add private who is, there alot of pitfalls you need to be aware of when you take on this task. So make sure you read up on the process before starting as you're apt to lose PR or buy fake PR if you aren't careful. Also what is your timeframe to get started? It can take months to years to build up a network like this.

      If you are on a more shoestring budget or time constraints then you can go with .info domains, which can be as cheap as 50 cents a domain make sure you opt for who is privacy. You can find some multi c class hosting for cheap to get your foot in the door.

      If you go the .info route you can develop your domains into hi PR over time.

      Personally I get the results I need by going the .info route and having lots of domains, which you may or may not need depending on the amounts of keywords you are working with.
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    • Profile picture of the author paulgl
      Originally Posted by simonbuzz View Post

      Info domains are not worth it...try purchasing some high pr domains...
      mta.info PR8
      prchecker.info PR8

      Domain extension is not an indicator of PR or anything else.

      PR is PR is PR.

      Come on Mike A. You can expect, and handle, a little flame bait, right?
      I always thought you were the master at lowering the heat.

      You have to read between the lines. Consider this, what is better, a sig
      link on the WF, or 100 links on 100 blogs/websites in your niche, all PR 2 or
      below? Or even PR n/a, but still indexed? Seems to me you all are going for
      something equal to quantity to begin with. And worrying about quality later.

      Paul
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      • Profile picture of the author MikeFriedman
        Originally Posted by paulgl View Post

        mta.info PR8
        prchecker.info PR8

        Domain extension is not an indicator of PR or anything else.

        PR is PR is PR.

        Paul
        I think what he meant Paul was purchasing brand new .info domains with no PR versus purchasing existing domains with PR. He was responding to someone's comment above.
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    Ask yourself this >> Quantity Vs Quality?
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  • Profile picture of the author kkchoon
    I'm surprise how many people are trying to build their own network while there are tons of ready services to use...

    Buying 1000 .info domains without PR or backlinks won't help you rank for your keywords, I would recommend expired domain with PR, Terry Kyle had a guide to aged domain buying here: Download Link For Aged Domains Webinar Here (August 2011)

    I had great success with AMA and Elite SEOLV, these 2 networks alone would help me rank for a lot of medium competition keywords, I guess to replace them would need 4,000 PR2+ domains, that's a 60K to 100K investment...
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    • Profile picture of the author timpears
      Originally Posted by kkchoon View Post

      Buying 1000 .info domains without PR or backlinks won't help you rank for your keywords, I would recommend expired domain with PR, Terry Kyle had a guide to aged domain buying here: Download Link For Aged Domains Webinar Here (August 2011)
      Matt LeClear has built up a thriving business using a network of PR0-PR1 .info domains and sells a service where he offers to get you on page one of Google for one of five keywords you give him, for $99. So those useless .info domains you speak of are making $75K a month for Matt.

      http://www.warriorforum.com/warrior-...ht=page+google
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      • Profile picture of the author kkchoon
        Originally Posted by timpears View Post

        Matt LeClear has built up a thriving business using a network of PR0-PR1 .info domains and sells a service where he offers to get you on page one of Google for one of five keywords you give him, for $99. So those useless .info domains you speak of are making $75K a month for Matt.

        http://www.warriorforum.com/warrior-...ht=page+google
        I can do the same with 1/100 of the investment.
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        • Profile picture of the author Marc_L
          Originally Posted by kkchoon View Post

          I can do the same with 1/100 of the investment.
          That I'd like to hear.
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    • Profile picture of the author MikeFriedman
      Originally Posted by kkchoon View Post

      Buying 1000 .info domains without PR or backlinks won't help you rank for your keywords,
      I really hope people are smart enough to listen to these words. 1000 PR 0 backlinks are not going to get you anywhere in a competitive SERP, much less those of you thinking about buying 50-100 of them. Save your money. Please.
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      • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
        Originally Posted by MikeFriedman View Post

        I really hope people are smart enough to listen to these words. 1000 PR 0 backlinks are not going to get you anywhere in a competitive SERP, much less those of you thinking about buying 50-100 of them. Save your money. Please.
        Those could be fighting words amigo and we don't want to go there again.

        I had an idea!

        I will mentor a couple or more people on how to build a network (pdf request to me just doesn't cover it) . Everything you need. No secrets no secret sauce E V E R Y T H I N G. Keys to the kingdom and in a few months we can put up How us Mike's build Networks to whoever else wants to challenge my newbies.

        Thats what the title of the thread is about and if we make this thread constructive with no jibber jabbering straight results for a newb to results for a newb then the thread won't violate any policies or get locked and give the OP what he asked for.

        Deal?

        only thing is there COULD BE alot of ins and out s and questions and hand holding so how much could be done for free on either side i don't know. Time constrainst etc? I have my own businesses to run.
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        • Profile picture of the author MikeFriedman
          Not a bad idea.

          Only problem I see is you have to have mentees (is that a word?) who are willing to put up some cash to build their network. Then of course there is the time in finding and acquiring domains. It takes some effort. You wouldn't want someone who signs up, and after two weeks gives up on it because they didn't realize the work that goes into it.

          If you did it through a series of webinars with them, it wouldn't be too time consuming. It would take far longer to constantly be sending emails back and forth. I would keep it as a small group, probably less than 5. Maybe even only 2 or 3.

          I'd volunteer some time to help out too.
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          • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
            Originally Posted by MikeFriedman View Post

            Not a bad idea.

            Only problem I see is you have to have mentees (is that a word?) who are willing to put up some cash to build their network.
            Well Yeah but thats going to be the case either way you go. There is no network that anyone can point to that works that only has 100 .info domains. None. So you would have to lay money anyway to buy a couple thousand at least. I think its actually better for cash flow to go the other way with some Pr sites that immediately give your money sites umphh but thats getting into the debate again which I want to avoid. lets make this substantive real and to the point of newbies actually building a network by actually doing it and seeing the real results TO NEWBIES BUILDING THEIR OWN

            Ditto on the rest. You would have to have video training of course but frankly I don't think a pdf and even an hour video session is going to do it. People get out there and start building and they have ongoing questions. thats what I was referring to with hand holding. By the way this isn't some idle suggestion. I am ready to go forward now if it is of interest.
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            • Profile picture of the author MikeFriedman
              No an hour wouldn't be enough.

              I would probably do it like this. A 90-minute opening webinar to give the general concepts and ideas behind setting up the network. Then maybe twice a week host a 30 to 60 minute webinar for Q&A.

              Maybe put together a PDF that outlines a few of the most important things... like evaluating a domain before buying it. Actually, that is probably the biggest thing. If you buy good, high PR domains, even if you don't know exactly what you are doing from there but can setup a couple of sites with backlinks you will still boost your rankings noticeably.
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              • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
                PDf is almost done. I've had so many PM requests for it I went ahead on that rather than covering it all by PM. thats when I realized PDfs and even videos (which could be done in hours) were a joke for this material. Really needs hands on but if theres no test in this thread from the other perspective than I guess my idea would die.
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                • Profile picture of the author MikeFriedman
                  Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

                  but if theres no test in this thread from the other perspective than I guess my idea would die.
                  I just sent you a PM about this.
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  • Profile picture of the author kkchoon
    The only reason to own a huge blog network - you are building a backlink service or you have a large network of sites to rank and maintain the ranking.

    If you are not buying expired domains, and using new .info domains are good to rank sites with 1 million quote search, try to rank for higher competition, I bet you'll be having a hard time.

    Think about this, what's the investment of building 4,000 expired domains with PR2 and above? 120K?

    You can easily access to that number with AMA or Linkvana - $47 or $147 / month?

    I'm not saying you can't or shouldn't build a network of sites for backlinks, but are you providing a $75K / month kind of services? If yes then go ahead.
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    • Profile picture of the author Mike Grant
      Originally Posted by kkchoon View Post

      The only reason to own a huge blog network - you are building a backlink service or you have a large network of sites to rank and maintain the ranking.

      If you are not buying expired domains, and using new .info domains are good to rank sites with 1 million quote search, try to rank for higher competition, I bet you'll be having a hard time.

      Think about this, what's the investment of building 4,000 expired domains with PR2 and above? 120K?

      You can easily access to that number with AMA or Linkvana - $47 or $147 / month?

      I'm not saying you can't or shouldn't build a network of sites for backlinks, but are you providing a $75K / month kind of services? If yes then go ahead.
      Nah, I buy my PR4s for $30-$35/each. PR2 cost me $15.
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      • Profile picture of the author kkchoon
        Originally Posted by Mike Grant View Post

        Nah, I buy my PR4s for $30-$35/each. PR2 cost me $15.
        There you go, PR2 domain alone cost 60K for 4,000 domains. How about hosting fees plus IPs and may be some backlinks to maintain it?

        AMA had 10 times more domains for $47/month.
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        • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
          Originally Posted by kkchoon View Post

          There you go, PR2 domain alone cost 60K for 4,000 domains. How about hosting fees plus IPs and may be some backlinks to maintain it?

          AMA had 10 times more domains for $47/month.
          Yo Yo kkchoon. Good to see you man

          On the subject you wouldn't need 4000 PR2s. I know you check serps but others need to do so
          . there are ton loads of sites ranking in competitive niches with less than even 500 PRed sites. Shoot even less than a hundred.

          plus if you know a "secret sauce" technique. 50 PR sites will will give you the power of 500 easily

          So those useless .info domains you speak of are making $75K.
          Do we really want to start the successful WSO equals good SEo thing again so so soon. For the record there have been WSOs that made hundreds of thousands and product launches that made millions wihth hundreds of testimonials that didn't work a successfully for those who bought them. anyone watching IM for years has seen that happen

          , though no overall conclusion come to.
          Thats debatable but no don't want to and won't get into it here again
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          • Profile picture of the author Marc_L
            Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

            Do we really want to start the successful WSO equals good SEo thing again so so soon. For the record there have been WSOs that made hundreds of thousands and product launches that made millions wihth hundreds of testimonials that didn't work a successfully for those who bought them. anyone watching IM for years has seen that happen
            A successful WSO that is based on results that clients want is good SEO and is good business. A sustained successful SEO WSO has to be based upon results that paying clients want. It's really simple, .info sites do work for SEO or WSOs based on using them wouldn't be having the sustained success that they are. Repeat customers do not buy again and again if they didn't get what they wanted.
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            • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
              Originally Posted by Marc_L View Post

              A successful WSO that is based on results that clients want is good SEO and is good business. A sustained successful SEO WSO has to be based upon results that paying clients want. It's really simple, .info sites do work for SEO or WSOs based on using them wouldn't be having the sustained success that they are. Repeat customers do not buy again and again if they didn't get what they wanted.
              Not getting into a debate again on that subject Marc. that thread was closed by the mods and we should respect their wishes without resurrecting the same things. In this thread its easy, simple and to the point. Getting newbies to the point of having their own network

              At the end of a fixed period of time people I will put any network I have trained people to build against any network built by who you train. Both of course will have to start out newbies and with around the same amount of cash.

              deal? No fussing no tussling. Would end up being a very productive thread without he said she said.
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              • Profile picture of the author Marc_L
                Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

                Not getting into a debate again on that subject Marc. that thread was closed by the mods and we should respect their wishes without resurrecting the same things. In this thread its easy, simple and to the point. Getting newbies to the point of having their own network
                Please look at my first post in this thread, I am not interested in getting into those old issues either.

                My point is that there is value with .info networks, period. To deny that is just not dealing with facts.
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                • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
                  Originally Posted by Marc_L View Post

                  Please look at my first post in this thread, I am not interested in getting into those old issues either.

                  My point is that there is value with .info networks, period. To deny that is just not dealing with facts.
                  If you are not interested in getting into the old issue then lets not. Whats your answer to this -

                  "At the end of a fixed period of time people I will put any network I have trained people to build against any network built by who you train. Both of course will have to start out newbies and with around the same amount of cash.

                  deal? No fussing no tussling. Would end up being a very productive thread without he said she said."
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                      • Profile picture of the author WhosGotMoves
                        I know you mentioned that you've received a ton of PMs for the PDF but keep us updated. I'm highly interested in studying your addition to this thread. Although some of us aren't chiming in we are watching it closely.
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                        • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
                          Originally Posted by WhosGotMoves View Post

                          I know you mentioned that you've received a ton of PMs for the PDF but keep us updated. I'm highly interested in studying your addition to this thread. Although some of us aren't chiming in we are watching it closely.

                          Sorry guys. I thought it would have been a good study comparing the two approaches with a challenge. Would have got back useful data. Without that it really doesn't makes sense for me or really anyone to go into greater depth and detail . Yesterday a product that doesn't do even into half the amount of mentoring I was planning was released at $99 a pop. I guess Only so much is going to be given away for free on a forum.

                          Plus one of the problems I was having by PM is that it was impossible to figure out who is really serious and who isn't. I even got a PM indicating it would be harmful to just give out too much info and he was right. People who are not serious tend to wreck a good thing. So sorry on my part that kind of mentoring is for those who are serious not an open forum since the study/challenge has been declined (and for fair reasons I think).

                          Anyway in the last thread we already gave away information on both sides that could have been a WSO
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          • Profile picture of the author kkchoon
            Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

            Yo Yo kkchoon. Good to see you man

            On the subject you wouldn't need 4000 PR2s. I know you check serps but others need to do so
            . there are ton loads of sites ranking in competitive niches with less than even 500 PRed sites. Shoot even less than a hundred.

            plus if you know a "secret sauce" technique. 50 PR sites will will give you the power of 500 easily
            Hi Mike, good to hear from you again.

            My point is - you can do the same or even better with a lot less if you use existing services.
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            • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
              Originally Posted by kkchoon View Post

              Hi Mike, good to hear from you again.

              My point is - you can do the same or even better with a lot less if you use existing services.
              No you can't not if you are talking multiple domains and plenty of different keywords you are trying to rank.
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              • Profile picture of the author kkchoon
                Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

                No you can't not if you are talking multiple domains and plenty of different keywords you are trying to rank.
                Nope, AMA allows unlimited domains and plenty of keywords. Even articleranks allow 100 post per day with unlimited domains, that's a lot for ranking sites.

                I can add more accounts if there is any needs, until it hits the limit of my spending, then it is time to grow my own network.

                BTW, I do agree with Matt Laclear if massive PR0 blogs works great in ranking 1 million quote search keywords, I might not need a lot of money to set them up, and never had to fear that they get banned or drop in PR.

                I'll have to test this out, very interesting information...
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                • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
                  Originally Posted by kkchoon View Post

                  Nope, AMA allows unlimited domains and plenty of keywords. Even articleranks allow 100 post per day with unlimited domains, that's a lot for ranking sites.
                  Sorry KKchoon if AMA an article rank solved the problem for every domain and every kind of keyword competitiveness then We'd all be doing SEO that way and articles links would rule all serps. Such is not the case

                  BTW, I do agree with Matt Laclear if massive PR0 blogs works great in ranking 1 million quote search keywords, I might not need a lot of money to set them up, and never had to fear that they get banned or drop in PR.
                  who in the world told you that .infos were ban proof. In fact if you stick ten on one IP you stand to lose ten at a time. Plus whats this with losing PR? You an actually use your High Pr domains TO BUILD more HIGH PR DOMAINS and overall (sure you can lose some links but if you follow good techniques you will get back some too) GAIN PR not lose it. Matt and Marc don't have a HIGH PR network. They only just announced they were going to build one.

                  I'll have to test this out, very interesting information...
                  You are a serp guy so show me when you find a very competitive keyword ranking with just .info N/As. testing is fine but you can do that for free looking at the serps.
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                  • Profile picture of the author Marc_L
                    Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

                    You are a serp guy so show me when you find a very competitive keyword ranking with just .info N/As. testing is fine but you can do that for free looking at the serps.
                    I'd like to see a "competitive" keyword in the top 3 with just blog posts for backlinks as well.
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                  • Profile picture of the author kkchoon
                    Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

                    Sorry KKchoon if AMA an article rank solved the problem for every domain and every kind of keyword competitiveness then We'd all be doing SEO that way and articles links would rule all serps. Such is not the case

                    who in the world told you that .infos were ban proof. In fact if you stick ten on one IP you stand to lose ten at a time. Plus whats this with losing PR? You an actually use your High Pr domains TO BUILD more HIGH PR DOMAINS and overall (sure you can lose some links but if you follow good techniques you will get back some too) GAIN PR not lose it. Matt and Marc don't have a HIGH PR network. They only just announced they were going to build one.

                    You are a serp guy so show me when you find a very competitive keyword ranking with just .info N/As. testing is fine but you can do that for free looking at the serps.
                    Like I said, I will test it out, and I do believe this is true when you have diversify IPs.

                    I'm open minded on this matter although I have yet had any much good luck with PR0 profile links, the link power is very low but I really want to see what if there is 1000 IP diversify blogs with highly spin unique content, what kind of keywords can they rank for ? How competitive is the keyword ?

                    I saw Matt's service is a success, but not sure if he only uses pr0, pr1 blogs, if that is true, this is another great way to rank for low competition keywords (or may be medium competition?). From the look of Matt customer's testimonials, this might work, just have to figure out other missing parts.
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      • Profile picture of the author libertysridhar
        Originally Posted by Mike Grant View Post

        Nah, I buy my PR4s for $30-$35/each. PR2 cost me $15.

        Hi Mike

        This i Sridhar I read one of your posts on this thread quoted above and you where saying that you buy PR4 for $30- $35. Could please let me know how and where you buy that. This would be very helpful. Thanks in Advance.
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      • Profile picture of the author ulcseminary
        Originally Posted by Mike Grant View Post

        Nah, I buy my PR4s for $30-$35/each. PR2 cost me $15.

        From where? It had never occurred to me that I could buy one with PR attached. But if you bought one with PR, which assumes there are links that go with it, wouldn't you end up losing the links because the site the other people linked to is no longer the site?
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        • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
          Originally Posted by ulcseminary View Post

          From where? It had never occurred to me that I could buy one with PR attached. But if you bought one with PR, which assumes there are links that go with it, wouldn't you end up losing the links because the site the other people linked to is no longer the site?
          Nope. not if you do your homework and examine the links before buying. there are millions if not billions of pages with links where the webmaster will not be going back and removing links form old pages.
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          • Profile picture of the author ulcseminary
            Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

            Nope. not if you do your homework and examine the links before buying. there are millions if not billions of pages with links where the webmaster will not be going back and removing links form old pages.

            So back to my question of where can you find sites at those prices that are good and how do you do your homework? Check each link?
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        • Profile picture of the author Fraggler
          Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

          Troy if you remember give us an update every now and again with web hosting plex. I like spreading out to as many good hosts as I can.
          I missed your message Mike but here is a late update. I have one account on a server performing slowly at the moment but the others have been running nicely. The sites themselves are fine but the WHM is sluggish.

          ASeohosting is more reliable and runs quicker and probably a better option for those starting out.

          Originally Posted by ulcseminary View Post

          From where? It had never occurred to me that I could buy one with PR attached. But if you bought one with PR, which assumes there are links that go with it, wouldn't you end up losing the links because the site the other people linked to is no longer the site?
          I'd assume they are not from the regular auctions as for starters, Snapnames and Namejet have a minimum bid of around $70. You are doing well to regularly land PR4s on Godaddy for cheaper than Snapnames and NJ.

          The trick to buying good domains is having a process in place to easily check what links are still live; their diversity across domains; the PR of those links; and the likely hood those links will stick.
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          • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
            Originally Posted by Fraggler View Post


            The trick to buying good domains is having a process in place to easily check what links are still live; their diversity across domains; the PR of those links; and the likely hood those links will stick.
            Bingo! Trying to drill that into my guys wanting to build networks. A couple care more about SEO hosting and content publication which are important but that quote of yours above is whats at the heart of building a solid High PR network.
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      Originally Posted by kkchoon View Post


      You can easily access to that number with AMA or Linkvana - $47 or $147 / month?
      What is AMA?
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      • Profile picture of the author MikeFriedman
        Originally Posted by Marc_L View Post

        There isn't a network out there that can rank for super competitive keywords on it's own.
        What you meant to say is that there is not a super competitive keyword out there that your type of network can rank a site for.

        There are networks out there that are ranking websites for extremely competitive keywords almost entirely by themselves. I can think of one that has grabbed some rankings in the SEO niche, where you obviously have the best of the best going at at it. Not only did this network grab top spots in that niche, the website it ranked got de-indexed, was replaced with a brand new site, and was back in the top 3 within a few months.

        Your style of network wouldn't have a prayer of ranking anything SEO related.

        Originally Posted by Marc_L View Post

        It takes a variety of kinds of links
        If it takes variety, then why offer nothing but ultra spun, unreadable garbage on 1000's of PR 0 and PR n/a .info domains? That doesn't seem like variety to me.

        Originally Posted by Marc_L View Post

        Moral of the thread?

        Shut up and build links, links from all kinds of sources with all kinds of PR.
        Actually, if you do believe that you need PR 0 links to help you to rank, I think the moral of the thread is don't waste time or money building and maintaining a PR 0 network or paying someone else to use theirs. Those links can be found anywhere. It is not worth the cost when you can just blast out the same type of links with AMR, SEnuke X, Magic Submitter, or Xrumer. You can do it for as many keywords as you want and it will cost you a lot less money in the long run.


        Originally Posted by boxoun View Post

        Having used grammarly.com for school, I think its safe to say Google can and does detect bad grammar.

        Whether they punish you is a different story.
        Originally Posted by Marc_L View Post

        All this means is that it is theoretically possible that Google detects bad grammar.
        What this means is you are crapping your pants if Google is going to start judging sites on Grammar because your entire style of a network would fall to pieces. You would actually have to pay writers to write articles that make sense instead of posting gibberish. Then all of a sudden the "quantity" model becomes far more expensive than the high PR network model.
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        • Profile picture of the author Marc_L
          Originally Posted by MikeFriedman View Post

          What you meant to say is that there is not a super competitive keyword out there that your type of network can rank a site for.

          There are networks out there that are ranking websites for extremely competitive keywords almost entirely by themselves. I can think of one that has grabbed some rankings in the SEO niche, where you obviously have the best of the best going at at it. Not only did this network grab top spots in that niche, the website it ranked got de-indexed, was replaced with a brand new site, and was back in the top 3 within a few months.
          I guess we will have to take your word for it. BUT, if the initial site got de-indexed what does that tell you?
          Your style of network wouldn't have a prayer of ranking anything SEO related.
          OK!:p
          If it takes variety, then why offer nothing but ultra spun, unreadable garbage on 1000's of PR 0 and PR n/a .info domains? That doesn't seem like variety to me.
          Cuz we post to more than our blogs? Maybe?
          Actually, if you do believe that you need PR 0 links to help you to rank, I think the moral of the thread is don't waste time or money building and maintaining a PR 0 network or paying someone else to use theirs. Those links can be found anywhere. It is not worth the cost when you can just blast out the same type of links with AMR, SEnuke X, Magic Submitter, or Xrumer. You can do it for as many keywords as you want and it will cost you a lot less money in the long run.
          You may have a point for affiliate marketers ranking their own sites but high PR is harder to scale so we don't do it.
          What this means is you are crapping your pants if Google is going to start judging sites on Grammar because your entire style of a network would fall to pieces. You would actually have to pay writers to write articles that make sense instead of posting gibberish. Then all of a sudden the "quantity" model becomes far more expensive than the high PR network model.
          NAH it wouldn't be that bad plus we have some stuff up the pike working on the quality of the content. So, even if Google makes these changes we'd be ready.

          But hell, do what you think is the best. Although no layman (and that is who we are talking to here) is going to be able to rank for the real competitive search terms anyway with a network that he can actually afford.

          So what links rank "make money online" number one aren't attainable for the layman anyway (at least in the quantity required). The keywords they will go after are rankable with a network of low PR sites plus other goodies you can get for free on other peoples sites. Plus, I found this software that can get your sites PR on auto pilot.
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          • Profile picture of the author MikeFriedman
            Originally Posted by Marc_L View Post

            I guess we will have to take your word for it. BUT, if the initial site got de-indexed what does that tell you?
            The site got de-indexed because there is probably no more watched SERPs than ones relating to SEO. Competitors on that first page will file complaints with Google all day long against a new site that comes racing up to the top of the page out of nowhere.

            They were greedy. Simple as that.

            It's not like the weak keywords you are used to ranking for. Nobody pays attention to those. None of your customer's sites would have a prayer of standing up to a manual review either.

            Originally Posted by Marc_L View Post

            NAH it wouldn't be that bad plus we have some stuff up the pike working on the quality of the content. So, even if Google makes these changes we'd be ready.
            Meanwhile, the customers you have been doing backlink work for end up boned because of the trash you have been pointing at their sites.

            Originally Posted by Marc_L View Post

            But hell, do what you think is the best. Although no layman (and that is who we are talking to here) is going to be able to rank for the real competitive search terms anyway with a network that he can actually afford.

            So what links rank "make money online" number one aren't attainable for the layman anyway (at least in the quantity required). The keywords they will go after are rankable with a network of low PR sites plus other goodies you can get for free on other peoples sites.

            You are missing the point. Building and maintaining a PR 0 network or paying someone else to use theirs is a complete waste of money. All you have to do is take SEnuke X and blast away. SEnuke X (which I don't think much of) actually provides a far better service than the PR 0 network you describe because you are not just blasting .info's. You are hitting .com's, .net's, .whatever. Plus SEnuke submits to domains with much more authority so there is a greater likelihood of getting your links indexed.

            Why pay someone $99 to rank the weakest of 5 weak keywords when you can pay $147, and rank as many weak keywords as you want for as many URLs as you want?
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            • Profile picture of the author Marc_L
              Originally Posted by MikeFriedman View Post

              Meanwhile, the customers you have been doing backlink work for end up boned because of the trash you have been pointing at their sites.
              Our customers are happy Mike, very happy.
              You are missing the point. Building and maintaining a PR 0 network or paying someone else to use theirs is a complete waste of money.
              Well you are entitled to your opinion, but how is this not just your opinion? Why should we value your opinion over anybody else's? We have thousands of customers who disagree with you who paid their money and have been ecstatic with the results.
              All you have to do is take SEnuke X and blast away. SEnuke X (which I don't think much of) actually provides a far better service than the PR 0 network you describe because you are not just blasting .info's. You are hitting .com's, .net's, .whatever. Plus SEnuke submits to domains with much more authority so there is a greater likelihood of getting your links indexed.
              We hit all those domains Mike. SEnuke is a pain to use and alot of our clients are just offloading the backlinking to us so they can scale. Who has time to backlink for 100 affiliate sites? I have one guy who has hundreds of sites and pays me 2k+ a month to do some backlinking. He must be a noob right? He's getting value from his investment.
              Why pay someone $99 to rank the weakest of 5 weak keywords when you can pay $147, and rank as many weak keywords as you want for as many URLs as you want?
              Mike, I am not pimping my service here I don't know why you and the other Mike keeps crapping on it and bringing it up. If you don't like it then don't buy it.
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            • Profile picture of the author Marc_L
              Originally Posted by MikeFriedman View Post

              It's not like the weak keywords you are used to ranking for. Nobody pays attention to those. None of your customer's sites would have a prayer of standing up to a manual review either.
              You and the other Mike keep making this claim, BUT you don't have any evidence to back it up. You are both talking out of your arses. You don't know what you are talking about.
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          • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
            Originally Posted by Marc_L View Post

            I guess we will have to take your word for it. BUT, if the initial site got de-indexed what does that tell you?

            .
            That you know squat about networks. They can be deindexed as can any site that in Google's minds puts up links to manipulate rankings. Thats why you don't like people to share your networks now do you Marc? This is one in a line so long of uninformed things that you have said in this thread that are so obtuse that I can no longer be bothered going through the gibberish and just skirt over your posts with a bored glance. Only in this case you are just being plain disingenious because I have to think that even you would know that your weak old rank my long tail network can be deindexed as can any site.
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            • Profile picture of the author Marc_L
              Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

              That you know squat about networks. They can be deindexed as can any site that in Google's minds puts up links to manipulate rankings. Thats why you don't like people to share your networks now do you Marc? This is one in a line so long of uninformed things that you have said in this thread that are so obtuse that I can no longer be bothered going through the gibberish and just skirt over your posts with a bored glance. Only in this case you are just being plain disingenious because I have to think that even you would know that your weak old rank my long tail network can be deindexed as can any site.
              I don't know why you keep bringing up our service, you lie continually about it whether its on purpose or out of ignorance it doesn't matter.
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  • Profile picture of the author faysal969
    Buying many .info domain is not a good idea. Mainly .info domains are used by spammers. So, they have very little value in search engines. They do almost nothing for your site. After 1 year you have to pay full amount of money for making live all the domains. If you let them expire then you will loss all the backlinks. Anyway, you may use free hosted domains like blogger.com, wordpress.com, etc. for making network.
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  • Profile picture of the author markowe
    Do we really want to get into this again?!

    Google for the last Private Blog Networks thread, and read the whole thing in all its gory details, the subject's been pretty much covered, though no overall conclusion come to.
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  • Profile picture of the author ebizman
    im looking to setup this private blog network for my own sites and also to sell links similar to what some Warriors are doing.

    thanks for the help...
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    the private blog network has to be setup for general topic or can it be just for one industry?
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    • Profile picture of the author Oranges
      Originally Posted by aanchalsharma View Post

      yes you will lost all the backlinks because those links connect with your website domain name.
      !!!???WHAT???!!!:confused:
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  • Profile picture of the author trishseo
    Since Panda, autoblogs won't get traffic from Google no matter what you do. You can still get traffic outside of Google but don't depend on the big G to help you monetize. Honestly to me this is a strategy that's outdated and you probably need to rethink it.
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    • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
      Originally Posted by trishseo View Post

      Since Panda, autoblogs won't get traffic from Google no matter what you do. You can still get traffic outside of Google but don't depend on the big G to help you monetize. Honestly to me this is a strategy that's outdated and you probably need to rethink it.

      I don't build my networks with autoblogs so networks per se are not what networks are about.
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    • Profile picture of the author MikeFriedman
      Originally Posted by trishseo View Post

      Since Panda, autoblogs won't get traffic from Google no matter what you do. You can still get traffic outside of Google but don't depend on the big G to help you monetize. Honestly to me this is a strategy that's outdated and you probably need to rethink it.
      Nobody is talking about autoblogs here. I think you missed the point. Nonetheless, there are quite a few people having success with autoblogs, even post Panda. You just have to know what you are doing.
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    • Profile picture of the author Rsberg
      Originally Posted by trishseo View Post

      Since Panda, autoblogs won't get traffic from Google no matter what you do.
      So I guess all of us autobloggers who ARE still getting free traffic from Google (post Panda) must have some magic up our sleeves then....
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      • Profile picture of the author dburk
        Originally Posted by Rsberg View Post

        So I guess all of us autobloggers who ARE still getting free traffic from Google (post Panda) must have some magic up our sleeves then....
        Hi Rsberg,

        You make a good point. Some folks just haven't yet got their head around what the PANDA update was about and how it effects things like autoblogging.

        The fact is that a well constructed and managed autoblogging script will benefit from the PANDA update. PANDA does the work for them, filtering low quality from SERP which helps to immunizes the autoblog content from PANDA.
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    • Profile picture of the author AshJM
      Originally Posted by trishseo View Post

      Since Panda, autoblogs won't get traffic from Google no matter what you do. You can still get traffic outside of Google but don't depend on the big G to help you monetize. Honestly to me this is a strategy that's outdated and you probably need to rethink it.
      Really? Who told you this? I have not had any noticeable drop off; in fact some of my autoblogs are doing better than ever before.
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  • Profile picture of the author IM Ash
    Hey guyz,

    Sorry to butt in here but I have a question that is partially related!

    Will building a network of about 30-50 high PR blogs that only accept unique content be viable? Will a services of this nature that offers guest posts for a fee thrive?

    The blogs will be well maintained and all content will have to pass copyscape before it is published. Comments will be moderated and a social footprint can even be added or manufactured
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    • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
      Originally Posted by Eleva8 View Post

      Will building a network of about 30-50 high PR blogs that only accept unique content be viable? Will a services of this nature that offers guest posts for a fee thrive?

      The blogs will be well maintained and all content will have to pass copyscape before it is published. Comments will be moderated and a social footprint can even be added or manufactured
      Yes very viable . Its already a done practice by some private networks. they get guest bloggers rather than autospin to their blogs. Works great and increases the value of their blogs Much more than one way to populate with content.
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    • Profile picture of the author MikeFriedman
      Elevan,

      Like Mike said, there are a lot of networks out there offering that kind of service and thriving. Many are advertised here. But there are a lot elsewhere too.
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  • Profile picture of the author RevSEO
    Building a link network like this would be madness if you don't have a clue what you are doing.

    Buying 100 or even 1,000 brand new .info's isn't gonna help you rank. These are brand new sites, probably hosted on the same server, and where do you plan to get content, backlinks, and everything else needed for these domains?

    Honestly - try other network type link services before attempting to build your own. There's a lot of people that have developed some great services that know what they are doing and have a ton of experience.
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  • Profile picture of the author ebizman
    Guys,

    Let's not start a debate on this thread. Only provide feedback on how to setup a private blog network and any tips, BASED on your success.
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    • Profile picture of the author Christine2011
      Originally Posted by ebizman View Post

      Guys,

      Let's not start a debate on this thread. Only provide feedback on how to setup a private blog network and any tips, BASED on your success.

      Thanks for acting as moderator...That's

      Yes I agree...I just love reading wonderful suggestions and success strategies too about
      the topic.
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  • Profile picture of the author mattlaclear
    Remember when it comes to seo...high quantity ALWAYS beats HIGH quality. Always has and always will. We have the proof to back it up too.

    Edit: Other warriors will also tell you that high quality always beats high quantity. They undoubtedly also have the proof to back it up. Which proves my point that all links radiate link juice.
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    • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
      Originally Posted by mattlaclear View Post

      Remember when it comes to seo...high quantity ALWAYS beats HIGH quality. Always has and always will. We have the proof to back it up too.
      pure Flame bait and showing no respect to the mods by initiating the EXACT same subject as the thread that was closed.
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      • Profile picture of the author Marc_L
        Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

        pure Flame bait and showing no respect to the mods by initiating the EXACT same subject as the thread that was closed.
        Well that is what the thread is about, isn't it? Which is the better way to build a network.
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        • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
          Originally Posted by Marc_L View Post

          Well that is what the thread is about, isn't it? Which is the better way to build a network.
          Well a few days ago you announced your were GOING TO BUILD a high PR network as a premium service (which to the normal use of english implies better) so perhaps when you do we can take it seriously that you know which one works better or if you should charge less for the premium service. Looking forward to the substantive comparison at such time. talk to you then.
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          • Profile picture of the author Marc_L
            Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

            Well a few days ago you announced your were GOING TO BUILD a high PR network as a premium service (which to the normal use of english implies better) so perhaps when you do we can take it seriously that you know which one works better or if you should charge less for the premium service. Looking forward to the substantive comparison at such time. talk to you then.
            I didn't make any announcements if you recall.
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          • Profile picture of the author paulgl
            Originally Posted by MikeFriedman View Post

            I think what he meant Paul was purchasing brand new .info domains with no PR versus purchasing existing domains with PR. He was responding to someone's comment above.
            Point taken. My mistake.


            Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

            Well a few days ago you announced your were GOING TO BUILD a high PR network as a premium service (which to the normal use of english implies better) so perhaps when you do we can take it seriously that you know which one works better or if you should charge less for the premium service. Looking forward to the substantive comparison at such time. talk to you then.
            Well, shoot, Mike. Define high PR.

            How about building 50 squidoos, wordpress, blogspots, in related niche,
            with all contextual links in relevant content? The PR won't stay n/a
            forever. Actually, that's how I got to be a giant squid. Free.

            Paul
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            • Profile picture of the author MikeFriedman
              Originally Posted by paulgl View Post

              Well, shoot, Mike. Define high PR.

              How about building 50 squidoos, wordpress, blogspots, in related niche,
              with all contextual links in relevant content? The PR won't stay n/a
              forever. Actually, that's how I got to be a giant squid. Free.

              Paul
              Which is a completely viable form of backlinking, but we are talking about building your own network that you OWN. The advantage is obviously that you own the sites and can do whatever you like with them. There's no fear of Squidoo, Blogger, or anyone else shutting them down with no warning.
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            • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
              Originally Posted by paulgl View Post


              Well, shoot, Mike. Define high PR.

              How about building 50 squidoos, wordpress, blogspots, in related niche,
              with all contextual links in relevant content? The PR won't stay n/a
              forever. l
              Well shoot Paul

              if you don't backlink or get backlinks then they just magically turn into PR2s right? But sure you can go that route. More power to you. works great if you add many of your own domains though. Why put all your great content and all your ranking power under some one else's control? Makes no sense. So it can go puff in the night if you do something they don't like? So mix it up.

              We are not far apart. you are just coming in on the tail end. Do you scratch all your lenses, blogspots and wordpress sites every year and start over? bet you don't so you are on the build PR bandwagon just over time which I have no issues with.
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              • Profile picture of the author packerfan
                If anyone is serious about the whole "mentee" thing for building a link network I'm extremely interested. I just bought about 100 domain names and got about 25 free .infos in the process. I'd like to use those to start, and add in some high PR domains.

                Initially I'd use this network to rank my own sites, and possibly sell a service. Just depends on how it goes.

                Anyway, I have some cash, enough knowledge to be dangerous, and willing to work/outsource to get things done.

                If one of you experts are looking for a case study for a WSO I'm your guy. ;-)
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                • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
                  Originally Posted by packerfan View Post


                  If one of you experts are looking for a case study for a WSO I'm your guy. ;-)
                  Unfortunately that challenge was not accepted but looks like I will be mentoring a few people who are serious. PM me if you are interested.

                  Searching for aged domains always is easier to screw up, than it is to set up 50 .infos making sure PR is valid trying to make sure PR isn't lost during the transfer etc etc. So let's take 1 aged pr 4 domain, cost about $50 if you get a good deal on it. Including privacy. You can get almost 100 .info domains including privacy for about the same price (godaddy sale price).
                  If you don't know what you are doing (as you didn't when you bought that PR5 with one link) then anything is easy to screw up. A Pr 4 is worth far more than 100 .infos if you know how to use them. You will argue with that but thats my point you don't know how to use them but perhaps you will learn when Your build that premium High pr network you announced.
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                  • Profile picture of the author Marc_L
                    Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

                    Unfortunately that challenge was not accepted but looks like I will be mentoring a few people who are serious. PM me if you are interested.

                    If you don't know what you are doing (as you didn't when you bought that PR5 with one link) then anything is easy to screw up. A Pr 4 is worth far more than 100 .infos if you know how to use them. You will argue with that but thats my point you don't know how to use them but perhaps you will learn when Your build that premium High pr network you announced.
                    Please find the quote where I said anything about buying that pr5.
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                    • Profile picture of the author MikeFriedman
                      Originally Posted by Marc_L View Post

                      Please find the quote where I said anything about buying that pr5.
                      It was actually your brother that said it Marc, not you.
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                    • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
                      Originally Posted by Marc_L View Post

                      Please find the quote where I said anything about buying that pr5.
                      What are you trying to say that I made it up? You requested here it is. If your brother lied on you my apologies


                      . I registered an expired pr 5 domain at auction of a pretty big rap band who forgot to renew it. It's only backlink (that showed up) was from a record company. As soon as WE took over the domain they dropped the link and you can guess the rest.
                      So obviously a business move as the We implied. You not a part of the business bro? If not you have my apologies. You routinely speak as if you are. Either way Thats not a way to buy a High Pr domain as you learned the hard way. Never EVER buy a High PR domain with one link . One of many basic rules of buying aged domains.
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                      • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
                        TO ALL: REAL NUMBERS and REAL DATA

                        Its getting back to being a back and forth and thats been done. So I am going to step back and ask a few questions to everyone reading this thread. I think that will help everyone deciding to get a little clearer perspective

                        Can anyone point to any N/a or zero .info network THAT PRESENTLY exists NOW that has any evidence to work with only 100 domains?

                        the cost of this would be $200 and then hosting fees for the 100 domains

                        Can anyone point to any N/a or zero .info network THAT PRESENTLY exists NOW that has any evidence to work with only 200 domains?

                        The cost of that would be $400 and then hosting fees for the 200 domains

                        Can anyone point to any N/a or zero .info network THAT PRESENTLY exists NOW that has any evidence to work with only 500 domains.

                        The cost of that would be $1000 and then hosting fees for the 500 domains.

                        Can anyone point to any N/a or zero .info network THAT PRESENTLY exists NOW that has any evidence to work with only 1000 domains.

                        The cost of that would be $2000 and then hosting fees for the 1000 domains.

                        Can anyone point to any N/a or zero .info network THAT PRESENTLY exists NOW that has any evidence to work with only 2000 domains.

                        The cost of that would be $4000 and then hosting fees for the 2000 domains.

                        So ask yourself a serious tactical question.

                        If you spent $200 buying .infos what real evidence do you have that it will work. I'd say none. People can't point to a network with 4,000 blogs and say thats proof. They can say it will work but thats not proof that 200 will work. A 4,000 blog network won't prove that even a 1,000 will work. thats still only a quarter. they can say it will work but their network has four times as many so that working isn't proof of 1,000.

                        I think most people would need more proof than someone on a blog saying it will work before they plunk down $2,000 plus what will be nice hosting fees each month.

                        Same goes for 500 same goes for 1,000 or even 2,000. So care to spend a $1,000 without proof, $2,000 without proof or $4,000 without proof.

                        In my next post I will show real proof that a relatively small amount of PR links will rank a site in a truly competitive niche. Heres the kicker. You will get to see the raw proof with your own eyes. Not testimonials, not hearsay, Not I think, Not I say. real data sitting right there in REAL Google. Nothing hid from your eyes.

                        If YOU are going to build a network should you not have real proof that matches the number of domains that will be in YOUR network?
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                      • Profile picture of the author Marc_L
                        Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

                        What are you trying to say that I made it up? You requested here it is. If your brother lied on you my apologies


                        So obviously a business move as the We implied. You not a part of the business bro? If not you have my apologies. You routinely speak as if you are. Either way Thats not a way to buy a High Pr domain as you learned the hard way. Never EVER buy a High PR domain with one link . One of many basic rules of buying aged domains.
                        FAIL

                        I Had nothing to do with that purchase.
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                        • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
                          Originally Posted by Marc_L View Post

                          FAIL

                          I Had nothing to do with that purchase.
                          You are a part of the company. No fail in sight. Plus you routinely talk for the company so claim anything you want. Not arguing over it. Still speaks to you guys having no experience building High Pr networks so you can't really objective say which is better . Period.
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                          • Profile picture of the author Marc_L
                            Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

                            You are a part of the company. No fail in sight. Plus you routinely talk for the company so claim anything you want. Not arguing over it. Still speaks to you guys having no experience building High Pr networks so you can't really objective say which is better . Period.
                            Amazing! I didn't have anything to do with that purchase, period.

                            Matt and I have not always worked together and even to this day we have interests totally and 100% separate.

                            Do you have business partners? Does that mean everything that they ever did is something that YOU even if you had nothing to do with it?
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                            • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
                              Originally Posted by Marc_L View Post

                              Amazing! I didn't have anything to do with that purchase, period.

                              Matt and I have not always worked together and even to this day we have interests totally and 100% separate.
                              Argue all you want Marc. You speak for the company all the time so a "you' references you with the company no matter what you claim. Buying A PR 5 with one backlink indicates a lack of knowledge in how to buy aged domains . sorry just the truth.
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                              • Profile picture of the author Marc_L
                                Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

                                Argue all you want Marc. You speak for the company all the time so a "you' references you with the company no matter what you claim. Buying A PR 5 with one backlink indicates a lack of knowledge in how to buy aged domains . sorry just the truth.
                                I wasn't even in the company then! Are you kidding me?

                                You sir have a problem with reality and the truth. I did not buy that domain, had nothing to do with it, never vouched for it. Does that not sink in? Is that penetrating your skull?
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                                • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
                                  Originally Posted by Marc_L View Post

                                  You sir have a problem with reality and the truth. I did not buy that domain, had nothing to do with it, never vouched for it. Does that not sink in? Is that penetrating your skull?
                                  :rolleyes: perhaps somebody else can explain to you how YOU represent the company you work with now no matter when you joined. Next time you get a ticket where a customer said "you said" then you can complain it wasn't you and pretend like that can't refer to you as the company YOU represent.

                                  my last post on that.

                                  Originally Posted by Marc_L View Post

                                  I'd like to see a "competitive" keyword in the top 3 with just blog posts for backlinks as well.
                                  a network doesn't have to be built with blogs so thats a false criteria. I can and have shown MULTIPLE TIMES very competitive serps dominated by pages that have HIGH PR domains. I will again shortly. No one in the .info N/A has ever shown their truly competitive serps where Only .info N/A links are used.
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                                  • Profile picture of the author Marc_L
                                    Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

                                    :rolleyes: perhaps somebody else can explain to you how YOU represent the company you work with now no matter when you joined. Next time you get a ticket where a customer said "you said" then you can complain it wasn't you and pretend like that can't refer to you as the company YOU represent.

                                    my last post on that.
                                    This is exactly why Matt ignores you. You have a problem with the truth, you said that I, Marc_L bought a domain that I never bought had nothing to do with, wasn't even in the business when it was bought! You then use that to try and make the point that I don't know what I, Marc_L, doesn't know what he's talking about. This is a blatant and dishonest smear that you stick with even after being corrected over and over again.

                                    Repeat after me.

                                    • Marc_L nor any company he has been involved with had anything to do with buying any aged domain with one backlink.
                                    • mattlaclear and Marc_L have OTHER businesses separate from one another.
                                    • Marc_L nor any company he has been involved with has never bought a PR aged domain that didn't have real PR.
                                    • The domain in question has never been used nor was it purchased FOR any business that Marc_L has ever been involved with.
                                    • The term "we" does not equal "mattlaclear and Marc_L" in every usage.
                                    • Every aged domain that Marc_L has ever purchased or vouched for has had real PR and plenty of backlinks supporting that PR
                                    If you hint towards or say otherwise again you will be lying.
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                                • Profile picture of the author kkchoon
                                  Originally Posted by Marc_L View Post

                                  I'd like to see a "competitive" keyword in the top 3 with just blog posts for backlinks as well.
                                  Blog network does help me rank for a lot of competitive keywords, the quantity does matters.
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                                  • Profile picture of the author Marc_L
                                    Originally Posted by kkchoon View Post

                                    Blog network does help me rank for a lot of competitive keywords, the quantity does matters.
                                    Agreed, it helps.
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                                  • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
                                    Originally Posted by kkchoon View Post

                                    Blog network does help me rank for a lot of competitive keywords, the quantity does matters.
                                    Hey kkchoon I think you misunderstand. I would never say ANY link doesn't help. I just don't think you can say that people wanting to build their own networks are not going to do better than with just an article service.

                                    Its just not true. they can even do both and smoke the guy just using article services.
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                                    • Profile picture of the author kkchoon
                                      Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

                                      Hey kkchoon I think you misunderstand. I would never say ANY link doesn't help. I just don't think you can say that people wanting to build their own networks are not going to do better than with just an article service.

                                      Its just not true. they can even do both and smoke the guy just using article services.
                                      Yes, but it all depends on the quantity. Unless Google change the algorithm later, still the quantity matters...

                                      I had send thousands of articles to few networks out there, and they do help me out rank a lot of sites for some competitive keywords, but I do this automated way, no way I can prepare thousands of articles on my own.
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                                      • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
                                        Originally Posted by kkchoon View Post

                                        Yes, but it all depends on the quantity. Unless Google change the algorithm later, still the quantity matters..
                                        Sorry KK show me a truly competitive serp that has a page with only quantity and no quality in the serps. I know you are a fair guy and you believe in showing things in the serps last we regularly talked. can you show me a really competitive serp with just quantity links and no quality?
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                                        • Profile picture of the author kkchoon
                                          Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

                                          Sorry KK show me a truly competitive serp that has a page with only quantity and no quality in the serps. I know you are a fair guy and you believe in showing things in the serps last we regularly talked. can you show me a really competitive serp with just quantity links and no quality?
                                          Why don't you give me a page and keyword, I'll rank it for you?

                                          All I ask is you follow the recommended on page factor here: Guaranteed Website Ranking

                                          Place the order and I'll rank it for you, if I don't get there in the stated time, I'll send you the refund.
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                                          • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
                                            Originally Posted by kkchoon View Post

                                            Why don't you give me a page and keyword, I'll rank it for you?

                                            All I ask is you follow the recommended on page factor here: Guaranteed Website Ranking

                                            Place the order and I'll rank it for you, if I don't get there in the stated time, I'll send you the refund.
                                            Sorry KKchoon I don't need you to rank any of my sites. I do quite fine and I am not seeing any of your forum blast hitting down my customers sites down either. I'll take that as your way of saying you can't show it in the serps. Disappointing sarcastic answer old friend. I thought you were so much better than that answer.

                                            I think we can now see why everyone who is into quantity over quality links refuses to show anything in the serps _ they can't show anything really competitive.
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                                            • Profile picture of the author Marc_L
                                              Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

                                              Sorry KKchoon I don't need you to rank any of my sites. I do quite fine and I am not seeing any of your forum blast hitting my customers sites either. I'll take that as your way of saying you can't show it in the serps. Disappointing sarcastic answer old friend. I thought you were so much better than that answer.

                                              I think we can now see why everyone who is into quantity over quality links refuses to show anything in the serps _ they can't show anything really competitive.
                                              How about you give us a "competitive" keyword so we can look at the backlinks of the top 3 to see what is going on.

                                              I still don't know how you quantify "competitive" either. Are you talking dream keywords?

                                              "make money online"? is that the standard?
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                                            • Profile picture of the author kkchoon
                                              Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

                                              Sorry KKchoon I don't need you to rank any of my sites. I do quite fine and I am not seeing any of your forum blast hitting my customers sites either. I'll take that as your way of saying you can't show it in the serps. Disappointing sarcastic answer old friend. I thought you were so much better than that answer.

                                              I think we can now see why everyone who is into quantity over quality links refuses to show anything in the serps _ they can't show anything really competitive.
                                              Just give me a chance, order it and I'll rank it for you, what more do you want from your old friend? I'm willing to prove it but you have to pay for the campaign. The risk is still on me, if I can't do it, not only you get the refund, I risk my reputation here.

                                              Anyway, I will be testing the low PR blog network soon, I'm excited to see this happening... !
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                                              • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
                                                Originally Posted by kkchoon View Post

                                                Just give me a chance, order it and I'll rank it for you, what more do you want from your old friend?
                                                Thats easy - an honest answer to a direct question about showing a single truly competitive serp where anyone ranks number one using just N/a or PR 0 links not a continuing pitch for me to buy a service I have stated point blank I neither want nor need.

                                                but since you are so generously offering help and you are in the market for building a network drop me a PM. I 'll try and fit you in to the mentoring program I mentioned earlier on how to build a solid authority network. I'll even teach you how to ultimately multiply your PR domains and links for the price of nothing but a registration fee AND BELOW. completely driving down the long term cost that you have referred to. Shoot I'll even throw in why you can't see Mike's other links (even though he told you point blank why and you guys still don't get it). I mean I am that much of a stand up guy
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                                                • Profile picture of the author Marc_L
                                                  Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

                                                  Thats easy - an honest answer to a direct question about showing a single truly competitive serp where anyone ranks number one using just N/a or PR 0 links not a continuing pitch for me to buy a service I have stated point blank I neither want nor need.
                                                  Am I on your ignore list? I just told you that this is a strawman, nobody is claiming this.

                                                  In fact I looked at the make money online number one and there are a plethora of types of links used. I didn't see the forum profiles but Grant has indicated that he used them. There are blog comments (no network needed) blog roll links (no network needed) along with stuff that might require a network or it might not Grant has indicated that he didn't use his network.

                                                  Please stop with this ridiculous strawman. I'd like to see any decent serp with number one just using any type of particular link.
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                                                  • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
                                                    Originally Posted by Marc_L View Post

                                                    In fact I looked at the make money online number one and there are a plethora of types of links used. I didn't see the forum profiles but Grant has indicated that he used them. There are blog comments (no network needed) blog roll links (no network needed) along with stuff that might require a network or it might not Grant has indicated that he didn't use his network.
                                                    No one asked you ever to show ANY network. Thats a real strawman - implying or stating that someone made a point they never did. You need not have shown any network. Not your own or any one else's. You have been asked however REPEATEDLY to show any serp where someone is ranking using just PR N/A or zero links. Really don't even care about about .info.

                                                    Have members of YOUR team (as in Marc) claimed he would only use .info low PR in his networks? You KNOW he has stated so directly so the strawman argument on your side is dead and I need not address it further.

                                                    Mike's site among many, many many others shows that High PR links are required to rank at the top of competitive google serps. that is , was and will always be relevant to this discussion.

                                                    Please stop with this ridiculous strawman. I'd like to see any decent serp with number one just using any type of particular link.
                                                    I realize you think of networks in very limited terms but I don't . You can have a network with any and all "types" or particular links not just blogs. I have HTML sites, WOrdpress, forums, small social network setups and all kinds of sites in my network. I can place or accept blog comments and if I want to leave signature links from my forums I can So the type argument is off point. A network is everything you use to rank sites. I however would want my links to appear regardless of type on a higher authority page than a N/A or zero indicates. Its really quite simple and elementary because the VAST majority of sites ranking in 1-3 have these kinds of links and from what I gather you just came pretty close to flat out admitting it. So why should anyone build a network that doesn't have High PR? Its the preferred way to go.

                                                    People only want to build networks to get what they can't get in good supply without a network. You can get N/A and Zero links of all kinds all over the internet for free but you can't get on page High Pr links in constant supply at the drop of a hat so its a no brainer that makes no sense to avoid that when building a network you would want to go with High PR pages to get links from. Its elementary in my book and it causes my customers sites to rank.

                                                    You can take this as an answer to your last post as well as it addresses everything brought up in it.

                                                    I didn't admit anything that you indicated I did. Anybody building a network is going to be smart enough to know that there are more types of links in the world and that the network will be a part of that.
                                                    Good - then tell your people to stop blowing smoke. If you (yes the you as in company again)are going to tell people how to really build a network then give them a realistic view before they drop cash. telling them all they need are .info backlinks with little and no PR and spun content on a blog and they will rank where the real traffic is is highly misleading.

                                                    Happy we have finally come to an agreement.
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                                • Profile picture of the author mattlaclear
                                  Originally Posted by Marc_L View Post

                                  I wasn't even in the company then! Are you kidding me?

                                  You sir have a problem with reality and the truth. I did not buy that domain, had nothing to do with it, never vouched for it. Does that not sink in? Is that penetrating your skull?
                                  He is going on about the one domain? He sees our testimonials yet still insists I know nothing about seo.

                                  Btw...I spent $8k on aged domains that month. I mention one domain that got by me and now I know nothing about how to buy aged domains.

                                  This is the same freaking guy who called us scammers and our customers ignorant.

                                  What a sad small man he is. Pity he doesn't have the testimonials to back up any of his attacks.
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                                  • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
                                    Originally Posted by mattlaclear View Post


                                    Btw...I spent $8k on aged domains that month. I mention one domain that got by me and now I know nothing about how to buy aged domains.

                                    This is the same freaking guy who called us scammers and our customers ignorant.

                                    What a sad small man he is. Pity he doesn't have the testimonials to back up any of his attacks.
                                    You know what? I'm going to pass responding in kind. all of the above are distortions. Anyone following the other thread will see that you state that your last attempt at buying domains didn't go well and that you concluded that High PR networks did not work. then by the end of the thread you reconsidered and announced that you would try again and build a HIGH PR premium network. You even gave me credit for changing your mind (in a backhanded way)

                                    they can draw their own conclusions as to who is sad and small and who always attacks anyone that gets in their way (apparently even if they are a customer which i most definitely am not).
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        • Profile picture of the author MikeFriedman
          Originally Posted by Marc_L View Post

          Well that is what the thread is about, isn't it? Which is the better way to build a network.

          We settled that in the other thread.

          If people want to build a network of 50-100 sites with no PR, they are far better off using Magic Submitter or even SEnuke X (MS is better) and they can setup as many of those type of networks as they want and it will be far cheaper.

          And as you said...

          Originally Posted by Marc_L View Post

          A higher PR is always preferable but it's much more time and cost consuming to build this type of network.
          Which is mostly right, except that a high PR network is not really going to take more time or more cost because you do not need anywhere near the same amount of sites to have the same ranking power.

          Can we move on now?
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          • Profile picture of the author Steadyon
            Regarding this whole argument about low PR and high PR networks, there is still something I can't quite get my head around:

            Assuming you start with brand new domains, even keyword rich .com .net and .org not just .info then surely these will all be PR N/A or PR 0 for a little while at least.

            But then over time, won't these sites/pages become higher PR? Maybe not high PR, but at least PR1, PR2 and PR3 within a year or so.

            If you go looking for expired domains with existing PR then the domain names may not be quite as relevant as if you bought some keyword rich domains from scratch.

            So somewhere along here there must be a compromise to a degree.

            Hope you understand my question. Can anyone shed some light on this aspect of the network, especially as it ages a little over time, say a year or so into the future?

            My second most pressing question on this whole blog network, is related to how many pages of content is necessary for each blog site on average, bearing in mind the relationship between high PR and low PR pages/blogs etc...

            I am thinking that ideally they should be as large as possible in my opinion, but in general terms is there a sweet spot minimum, say 10 pages etc., or are we talking hundreds of pages per site?


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            • Profile picture of the author MikeFriedman
              Originally Posted by Steadyon View Post

              If you go looking for expired domains with existing PR then the domain names may not be quite as relevant as if you bought some keyword rich domains from scratch.

              So somewhere along here there must be a compromise to a degree.

              Hope you understand my question. Can anyone shed some light on this aspect of the network, especially as it ages a little over time, say a year or so into the future?

              My second most pressing question on this whole blog network, is related to how many pages of content is necessary for each blog site on average, bearing in mind the relationship between high PR and low PR pages/blogs etc...

              I am thinking that ideally they should be as large as possible in my opinion, but in general terms is there a sweet spot minimum, say 10 pages etc., or are we talking hundreds of pages per site?


              Sam

              Sam, you do not need keyword rich domains. You are not trying to rank these sites. You are just using them for backlinks.

              As for your second question, most of mine are just a few pages, some are just one page.

              If you build too many pages (assuming you are linking to those pages from the home page) you are just bleeding out the PR.
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              • Profile picture of the author Steadyon
                Originally Posted by MikeFriedman View Post

                Sam, you do not need keyword rich domains. You are not trying to rank these sites. You are just using them for backlinks.

                As for your second question, most of mine are just a few pages, some are just one page.

                If you build too many pages (assuming you are linking to those pages from the home page) you are just bleeding out the PR.


                Mike you make a couple of interesting points.

                But, I can't agree or disagree, because I don't know, for example:


                i) Regarding keyword rich domains, wouldn't this make more sense in terms of relevance to the link etc...

                Also, is there any reason why it wouldn't be better to get these ranking in the top few hundred, instead of languishing in the lower few thousands of pages?


                ii) I would have thought that more pages, builds up the worth of the network blog sites. Also any PR "leaked" to the other pages on the site, is pretty much transferred back to the home page via the go to home page link on each of the inner pages?


                I don't know if this is the case or not. Perhaps I am over thinking it and assuming that each site in my blog network needs to be full of content and have many pages.

                Clarification or guidance anyone?

                Thanks,
                Sam
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                • Profile picture of the author MikeFriedman
                  Originally Posted by Steadyon View Post



                  i) Regarding keyword rich domains, wouldn't this make more sense in terms of relevance to the link etc...
                  I really don't think Google cares about the domain name where the link came from. In fact, I would make the argument that EMD's do not have the ranking power they once had anyhow.


                  Originally Posted by Steadyon View Post

                  Also, is there any reason why it wouldn't be better to get these ranking in the top few hundred, instead of languishing in the lower few thousands of pages?
                  I can't think of a single one.
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            • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
              Originally Posted by Steadyon View Post


              Assuming you start with brand new domains, even keyword rich .com .net and .org not just .info then surely these will all be PR N/A or PR 0 for a little while at least.

              But then over time, won't these sites/pages become higher PR? Maybe not high PR, but at least PR1, PR2 and PR3 within a year or so.
              If you backlink it then yes if not then no. it will not magically become a PR3 or even 2 in a year. plus there are things you can do with a PR site that you cannot do with a a zero or N/a.

              If you go looking for expired domains with existing PR then the domain names may not be quite as relevant as if you bought some keyword rich domains from scratch.
              First you can get domain names over the course of a month in all kinds of niches so that doesn't really follow.

              Second are you trying to rank all the sites in your network? I see nowhere in any serp where a well written article on a subject will not be counted as a great link if the article is completely relevant to the keyword but the domain does not exactly match.

              My second most pressing question on this whole blog network, is related to how many pages of content is necessary for each blog site on average, bearing in mind the relationship between high PR and low PR pages/blogs etc...
              I think this is over emphasized because people are talking about blogs. many business sites that give fantastic link juice if you get a link on them are ten pages and less. how many pages you have and how often you update them may be a ranking factor if you are looking at your money site but for many sites in a network the main reason to update is to get the pages crawled more often. people nee d to understand the whole world is not about blogs and Google knows it. You do NOT need a hundred pages of content Particularly gibberish spun content for it to be a good place to get a link from.

              P.S. It seems to me there is a misunderstanding about ranking factors and networks. the purpose of a network is to create juice for other sites you want to rank. EMD is a ranking factor not a big network factor. I see no evidence that a link from a emd by itself gets you much more clout ranking another site.
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          • Profile picture of the author Marc_L
            Originally Posted by MikeFriedman View Post

            We settled that in the other thread.

            If people want to build a network of 50-100 sites with no PR, they are far better off using Magic Submitter or even SEnuke X (MS is better) and they can setup as many of those type of networks as they want and it will be far cheaper.

            And as you said...



            Which is mostly right, except that a high PR network is not really going to take more time or more cost because you do not need anywhere near the same amount of sites to have the same ranking power.

            Can we move on now?
            You can move on if you like BUT I will give advice based upon my experiences. Searching for aged domains always is easier to screw up, than it is to set up 50 .infos making sure PR is valid trying to make sure PR isn't lost during the transfer etc etc. So let's take 1 aged pr 4 domain, cost about $50 if you get a good deal on it. Including privacy. You can get almost 100 .info domains including privacy for about the same price (godaddy sale price).

            1 pr 4 site vs 100 .info new domains. Here's the kicker though, if you go the .info route you can work on these domains increasing pr and juice by backlinking them. So imagine 100 sites that you work on backlinking to hi pr sites and in one years time you've got many of them with good pr. So you can do both, new .infos and build their pr yourself with very little upfront cost.
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            • Profile picture of the author MikeFriedman
              Originally Posted by Marc_L View Post

              1 pr 4 site vs 100 .info new domains. Here's the kicker though, if you go the .info route you can work on these domains increasing pr and juice by backlinking them. So imagine 100 sites that you work on backlinking to hi pr sites and in one years time you've got many of them with good pr. So you can do both, new .infos and build their pr yourself with very little upfront cost.
              And buying those 100 .info domains with no PR is a great idea if you want to build a network with no ranking power for probably a good 6-9 months. If that is your goal, then go for it.

              Or you can buy domains with existing PR and start ranking your sites right away, and not in just crappy SERPs, but more competitive SERPs.
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              • Profile picture of the author Marc_L
                Originally Posted by MikeFriedman View Post

                And buying those 100 .info domains with no PR is a great idea if you want to build a network with no ranking power for probably a good 6-9 months. If that is your goal, then go for it.

                Or you can buy domains with existing PR and start ranking your sites right away, and not in just crappy SERPs, but more competitive SERPs.
                Define crappy?
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                • Profile picture of the author MikeFriedman
                  Originally Posted by Marc_L View Post

                  Define crappy?
                  I've got a better idea. You show me a worthwhile SERP where a site is ranking #1 with nothing but PR 0 and PR n/a backlinks.

                  I can't find any. I'm trying.

                  And please don't mention page one rankings. They don't interest me. I'm talking top 3, preferably #1.


                  But just for ****s and giggles... crappy SERPS would be things like...

                  facebook blaster pro
                  california dental insurance
                  cufflinks
                  bonsai tool
                  houses for sale durban

                  By crappy I mean things that would be easy to rank in the top 3 for anyone with a bit of SEO knowledge. I would include just about any "local" keyword in that.
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                  • Profile picture of the author Marc_L
                    Originally Posted by MikeFriedman View Post

                    I've got a better idea. You show me a worthwhile SERP where a site is ranking #1 with nothing but PR 0 and PR n/a backlinks.

                    I can't find any. I'm trying.

                    And please don't mention page one rankings. They don't interest me. I'm talking top 3, preferably #1.


                    But just for ****s and giggles... crappy SERPS would be things like...

                    facebook blaster pro
                    california dental insurance
                    cufflinks
                    bonsai tool
                    houses for sale durban

                    By crappy I mean things that would be easy to rank in the top 3 for anyone with a bit of SEO knowledge. I would include just about any "local" keyword in that.
                    Ok Mike take any keyword that you consider "more competitive" and show me any site in the top 3 with nothing but blog posts of ANY PR.
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    • Profile picture of the author MikeFriedman
      Originally Posted by mattlaclear View Post

      Remember when it comes to seo...high quantity ALWAYS beats HIGH quality. Always has and always will. We have the proof to back it up too.

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        ROLLLING OFL!!!

        but seriously lets not get going with that again as per mods direction. Let it die or MATT will just use it to say look at me and my network (ranking for terms like " magic spells for beginners") for the next five pages. I'm out of that.
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      Originally Posted by mattlaclear View Post

      Remember when it comes to seo...high quantity ALWAYS beats HIGH quality. Always has and always will. We have the proof to back it up too.
      Wow, this is an extraordinary comment from an SEO professional. I'm no SEO expert, but I am in a competitive niche and I always achieve a better return after securing a handful of high PR backlinks as opposed to a thousand n/a links. For this very reason I have changed my SEO strategy and I now focus on quality - the results have been tremendous.

      What is also peculiar is once I secure say 10 high PR backlinks - my site will jump up the SERPs as soon as the pages the links are on are cached, but if I add a handful of Pr n/a links after securing these high PR links my site falls a few spots.
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      • Profile picture of the author mattlaclear
        Originally Posted by Eleva8 View Post

        Wow, this is an extraordinary comment from an SEO professional. I'm no SEO expert, but I am in a competitive niche and I always achieve a better return after securing a handful of high PR backlinks as opposed to a thousand n/a links. For this very reason I have changed my SEO strategy and I now focus on quality - the results have been tremendous.

        What is also peculiar is once I secure say 10 high PR backlinks - my site will jump up the SERPs as soon as the pages the links are on are cached, but if I add a handful of Pr n/a links after securing these high PR links my site falls a few spots.
        Given the fact you admit you're not an seo expert you stand half a chance of learning something.

        It is cheaper and easier to set up a low pr blog network than it is a high pr network. Because it is easier it also makes it more scalable.

        So you guys invest $100 in a high pr network and I'll do the same with a low pr network. Want to guess who wins?

        On low pr blogs you never have to worry about losing the pr of your blog. You just create more and more on a continual basis.

        It would be interesting to see if there are any seo vendors selling wso's to high pr networks here on the forum. It would be educational I think to compare the testimonials from each vendor on the forum.

        Shouldn't be hard to see who is packing the juice and who isn't.

        When it comes to seo there are certainly a number of ways to skin the cat.
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        • Profile picture of the author MikeFriedman
          Originally Posted by mattlaclear View Post

          It is cheaper and easier to set up a low pr blog network than it is a high pr network. Because it is easier it also makes it more scalable.
          I would argue strongly against this. It does not cost more. You are thinking in terms of the same number of sites. Yes if I bought 100 PR 4 domains it would cost a lot more than 100 PR n/a .info domains. I absolutely agree with you there.

          The point I would make is that you do not need nearly as many PR 4 sites to get the same ranking power. So if you think of it in those terms, the cost is pretty equal.

          And I understand your business model is about selling positions in your network, but I think most people looking to build their own network are looking to do it mostly for their own sites or maybe just a handful of SEO clients that they work with.

          Yes, if you are trying to make as much room for as many people as possible, you would probably do things a little differently.

          Like I said though, and maybe some of the lurkers will chime in here and agree or disagree with me, I think most people looking to setup a network are looking to boost their own rankings.
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    • Profile picture of the author FunkNugget
      Originally Posted by mattlaclear View Post

      Remember when it comes to seo...high quantity ALWAYS beats HIGH quality. Always has and always will. We have the proof to back it up too.

      You are HIGHlarious! This makes me laugh.
      Quality content and quality backlinks (rep) located within content not in the foot of the article will always beat bull****.
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      • Profile picture of the author Marc_L
        Originally Posted by FunkNugget View Post

        You are HIGHlarious! This makes me laugh.
        Quality content and quality backlinks (rep) located within content not in the foot of the article will always beat bull****.
        What exactly is quality content? Unique? Reads well? Do you think google can differentiate between rough grammar and Ernest Hemingway quality prose? I'm not so sure but do whatever works for you.

        Another question, how many "bull****" links would it take to equal one of your "quality content and quality backlinks"? Whatever that means.
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      • Profile picture of the author mattlaclear
        Originally Posted by FunkNugget View Post

        You are HIGHlarious! This makes me laugh.
        Quality content and quality backlinks (rep) located within content not in the foot of the article will always beat bull****.
        I have the testimonials to prove otherwise Funky Nugget. Do you? Guess who is laughing now.
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  • Profile picture of the author mattlaclear
    We could avoid a lot of strife if we qualify on threads like this what networks we are actually discussing. For instance a low pr blog really is quite different than a high pr blog. They both obviously radiate link juice. So obviously Marc and I know something about setting up low pr blog networks. It's what we talk about and discuss because it's what we know and is working for us.

    I for one am willing to bury the hatchet with the high pr warriors. I'm certain what you do works for you. SO it's what you talk about.

    Is it possible for both sides to discuss issues on the same thread? If so we could certainly do some serious brainstorming on the subject.
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    • Profile picture of the author kkchoon
      Originally Posted by mattlaclear View Post

      We could avoid a lot of strife if we qualify on threads like this what networks we are actually discussing. For instance a low pr blog really is quite different than a high pr blog. They both obviously radiate link juice. So obviously Marc and I know something about setting up low pr blog networks. It's what we talk about and discuss because it's what we know and is working for us.

      I for one am willing to bury the hatchet with the high pr warriors. I'm certain what you do works for you. SO it's what you talk about.

      Is it possible for both sides to discuss issues on the same thread? If so we could certainly do some serious brainstorming on the subject.
      Hey Matt, thanks for sharing these valuable information, I won't doubt it as you are running a successful service. My question is, when you talk about low quality blog network, what kind of minimum PR are you talking about?

      PR0 seems useless in many of my test, are you referring to PR1 to PR2 as low quality network or something else?

      Thanks in advance for sharing.
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      • Profile picture of the author mattlaclear
        Originally Posted by kkchoon View Post

        Hey Matt, thanks for sharing these valuable information, I won't doubt it as you are running a successful service. My question is, when you talk about low quality blog network, what kind of minimum PR are you talking about?

        PR0 seems useless in many of my test, are you referring to PR1 to PR2 as low quality network or something else?

        Thanks in advance for sharing.
        Pr0 .info sites for the most part. They usually become pr 1's over the course of the year though. It's those we renew.

        Conventional wisdom dictates pr0's are worthless. My brother and I have proved otherwise mainly because we didn't take anyone's advice on how to set up a network. Had we done so we never would of considered using brand new .info sites with heaps of autospun plr articles as content.

        When we saw this system actually worked and was scalable we felt like we died and gone straight to heaven.

        Guess what we did then?

        Scaled we did.
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  • Profile picture of the author hpad06
    kkchoon

    can I ask for the thousands of articles you send out, how many unique articles did you use, what software did you use to spin or send out.

    thanks
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    • Profile picture of the author kkchoon
      Originally Posted by hpad06 View Post

      kkchoon

      can I ask for the thousands of articles you send out, how many unique articles did you use, what software did you use to spin or send out.

      thanks
      I used to use TBS, but the support sucks, then I found SpinnerChief, seems a much better product.

      All articles are syndicate through SEOLV, AMA and ArticleRanks, so each article will give me at least 100 unique posts, that's a 1500 X 100 = 150,000 post with each post 3 backlinks = 450,000 backlinks!

      It might be more or less the number, but you get the idea.
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        Originally Posted by Mike Grant View Post

        Yes.


        Autograph?
        No

        Time to fire up spyglass
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      • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
        Originally Posted by Mike Grant View Post

        Yes.


        Autograph?
        ROFL. I was just going to pick another one random. I mean its so common to find a serp with high pr links at the top and they pretend like its otherwise.
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          Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

          ROFL. I was just going to pick another one random. I mean its so common to find a serp with high pr links at the top and they pretend like its otherwise.
          Heh, now they'll never take the challenge to the SERPs with me
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                • Profile picture of the author Marc_L
                  Originally Posted by Mike Grant View Post

                  Elaborate on?

                  I've already told you that you will not find anything groundbreaking.

                  P.S. You're wrong about profile links. I also didn't need my network for this site. Spyglass also doesn't pick up on shifty redirects :>
                  I said I didn't see any profiles, did I see some? You might have made them but I didn't see any.

                  Ok well this site is worthless as far as this thread is concerned now that Mike has told us his network had nothing to do with this ranking. We are talking about building networks for SEO after all.
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                  • Profile picture of the author Mike Grant
                    Originally Posted by Marc_L View Post

                    I said I didn't see any profiles, did I see some? You might have made them but I didn't see any.

                    Ok well this site is worthless as far as this thread is concerned now that Mike has told us his network had nothing to do with this ranking. We are talking about building networks for SEO after all.
                    To find anything from my network you have to set your sights much higher.
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                    • Profile picture of the author kkchoon
                      Originally Posted by Mike Grant View Post

                      To find anything from my network you have to set your sights much higher.
                      May be Majestic SEO will give us more ideas.

                      Congratulation on the "Make Money Online" keyword, not easy to rank and it seems like no one is staying there long. Competition all the time...
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              • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
                Originally Posted by Marc_L View Post

                Mike, nobody is claiming that you can rank sites using only .info pr0 domains. You can STOP asking for this as nobody is claiming this. This is what is known as a strawman..

                Thats interesting and I think EVERYBODY should pay attention to this because if this debate was going on in a physical location I would print that quote in BOLD and FRAME IT. theres only three ways to take that statement

                A) you are backing off of your repeated claims that first page placements is real ranking (and I'd agree only top three/four get good traffic).
                B) You are admitting that people who you claim to rank use MORE than just your network which logically opens the door to the possibility that others things they do are really what is causing the rankings (
                you can CLAIM otherwise but whose to say you are accurately depicting the true scenario?)
                C) your customers are mistaken that you are the cause of their rankings particularly since some for them take a good deal of time to get to first page and they are doing other things. in fact some people have claimed it was other things they did but of course those are not ones you highlight neither should you.

                look its good you admitted this. It is constructive to finally have you say this (although you probably won't like the implications) but people don't want to go through the trouble of creating ANY network if it does not have the power to rank sites

                So no it is not a stawman. In order to indicate that yours is the better way to build a network you would have of course to do a test or search in the serps that ISOLATES that one factor other wise whose to say? whats the point? Now if you go over and over in the serps and you keep seeing high pr pages ranking sites then with all the other variables that change from serp to serp then its reasonable to conclude that you might need some of those in a network. Strawman? Objecting to that is straw.
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                • Profile picture of the author Marc_L
                  Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

                  A) you are backing off of your repeated claims that first page placements is real ranking (and I'd agree only top three/four get good traffic).
                  No, I am speaking to you and you keep bringing up top 3 so I'd like you to find a site in a competitive SERP where there are only one type of link being used.
                  B) You are admitting that people who you claim to rank use MORE than just your network which logically opens the door to the possibility that others things they do are really what is causing the rankings (
                  you can CLAIM otherwise but whose to say you are accurately depicting the true scenario?)
                  Here's a hint we do more than use our blogs. No search term worth anything is going to rank only using one type of any kind of link. There are so many other possibilities but you just can't seem to make your brain work to find them.
                  C) your customers are mistaken that you are the cause of their rankings particularly since some for them take a good deal of time to get to first page and they are doing other things. in fact some people have claimed it was other things they did but of course those are not ones you highlight neither should you.
                  Wrong again but that's based upon your faulty reasoning from point B. We rank for customers who don't do a thing to their sites.
                  look its good you admitted this. It is constructive to finally have you say this (although you probably won't like the implications) but people don't want to go through the trouble of creating ANY network if it does not have the power to rank sites
                  I didn't admit anything that you indicated I did. Anybody building a network is going to be smart enough to know that there are more types of links in the world and that the network will be a part of that. So I'd like to repeat my challenge, please find any "competitive" Serp where there is only one type of link being used. It would be very instructive to see one where only a network that you advocate is being used since this is what you are asking of us. However I realize that this isn't going to happen because it doesn't exist.
                  So no it is not a stawman.
                  It's the very definition of a strawman!
                  In order to indicate that yours is the better way to build a network you would have of course to do a test or search in the serps that ISOLATES that one factor other wise whose to say? whats the point? Now if you go over and over in the serps and you keep seeing high pr pages ranking sites then with all the other variables that change from serp to serp then its reasonable to conclude that you might need some of those in a network. Strawman? Objecting to that is straw.
                  The point is that no network alone is going to rank for competitive searches. Having a network isn't a replacement for all the variety of links there are to get. It's an additional resource that you acquire and utilize.
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    Is "make money online" typical of a "competitive keyword"? What is a "competitive keyword" if not. I don't want examples but a method for determining if a keyword is "competitive" or not.
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    Ofcourse if you let your sites expire, you will lose the backlinks, but it will be a gradual process before you start to feel the loss
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  • Profile picture of the author Marc_L
    LOL

    I'm really far too busy to do this.

    Mike, I'm out I have paying customers who need my attention.

    Good luck on whatever it is you do.
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      Originally Posted by Marc_L View Post

      Good luck on whatever it is you do.
      Good luck to you too. Wish you the best.
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  • Profile picture of the author timpears
    These private blog network threads of the past week have been very informative. I think I have learned quite a bit from them. Even amongst all the bickering.

    I saw a WSO the other day from a girl who claimed to be able to teach you how to get your sites from PR0 to PR5 in 30 to 90 days. So in theory, you could take Matt's .info domains and build them to PR5 blogs overnight so to speak. That way you would get the cheap domains and also have the high PR as well. Just a thought.
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    • Profile picture of the author MikeFriedman
      Originally Posted by timpears View Post

      These private blog network threads of the past week have been very informative. I think I have learned quite a bit from them. Even amongst all the bickering.

      I saw a WSO the other day from a girl who claimed to be able to teach you how to get your sites from PR0 to PR5 in 30 to 90 days. So in theory, you could take Matt's .info domains and build them to PR5 blogs overnight so to speak. That way you would get the cheap domains and also have the high PR as well. Just a thought.
      Tim, I'm glad you picked up some information.

      But do you really think that WSO is going to teach you anything you already don't know? The key to building PR is getting other PR links. But anyone selling a WSO claiming to teach you how to build PR5 domains in 90 days... Well, they are full of it. If it was so easy to build a PR5 domain from scratch that fast, they would be building armies of them to sell. Not wasting their time with some $7 WSO. You could make a fortune selling PR5's if they were that easy to build.
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      • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
        Originally Posted by MikeFriedman View Post

        But anyone selling a WSO claiming to teach you how to build PR5 domains in 90 days... Well, they are full of it.
        actually it can be done but not without utilizing the right techniques and high PR links to begin with
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        • Profile picture of the author MikeFriedman
          Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

          actually it can be done but not without utilizing the right techniques and high PR links to begin with
          Ok, I should have said it cannot be done by someone just starting from scratch, unless they are going to lay out a lot of cash for some PR 5's or PR 6's to start with. Or you need to have some really good, high PR (5+) blogs to comment on that have a small number of outgoing backlinks. But even that is going to limit you on how many PR 5's you can create without finding a lot more blogs.

          On top of that Google may not update the toolbar PR for 6 months, so you have no idea if you built up a PR 5 or not. You can use MozRank as a predictor, but it is not 100% accurate.
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          • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
            Originally Posted by MikeFriedman View Post

            Ok, I should have said it cannot be done by someone just starting from scratch, unless they are going to lay out a lot of cash for some PR 5's or PR 6's to start with. .
            No you were right the first time I was just saying if you have PR already working with then it can be done provided you arrange things right.
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    • Profile picture of the author mattlaclear
      Originally Posted by timpears View Post

      These private blog network threads of the past week have been very informative. I think I have learned quite a bit from them. Even amongst all the bickering.

      I saw a WSO the other day from a girl who claimed to be able to teach you how to get your sites from PR0 to PR5 in 30 to 90 days. So in theory, you could take Matt's .info domains and build them to PR5 blogs overnight so to speak. That way you would get the cheap domains and also have the high PR as well. Just a thought.
      That's actually something we are working on at this very moment. We just hired a staffer to backlink the blogs on high pr blogs via real time blog comments.

      That's the thing about us. We have the budget to try everything.

      If we're able to raise the pr from 0 to 3 even.

      Can you say mega link juice?
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      • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
        Originally Posted by mattlaclear View Post

        blogs via real time blog comments.

        That's the thing about us. We have the budget to try everything.
        Glad you have passed over to the Pr is great side. I will take a bow. But um When since did it take a big budget to get someone to drop blog comments. Especially when a staffer can be a VA?

        Yeah blog comments can work a bit after you go searching down the ones that haven't been OBLed to death but there are FAR better ways to leverage a network with PR - but hey far be it from me to interfere
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        • Profile picture of the author kkchoon
          Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

          Glad you have passed over to the Pr is great side. I will take a bow. But um When since did it take a big budget to get someone to drop blog comments. Especially when a staffer can be a VA?

          Yeah blog comments can work a bit after you go searching down the ones that haven't been OBLed to death but there are FAR better ways to leverage a network with PR - but hey far be it from me to interfere
          Haha...

          Not sure why you like to pick on words, who is denying PR has power? I think Matt is trying to give you a point here - both quantity and quality does matters.

          You can go and use 200 PR4 sites to rank a keyword while Matt has 15,000 PR0 ~ PR3 sites, who do you think had the ranking power?

          If all went well in the test, we can grow the PR using few simple backlink tools, that's the key to minimizing the cost while maximizing the investment, I think that's what we are trying to learn here.

          I hope we can still be good friend, I'm sure we can learn more without picking on each other.
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          • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
            Originally Posted by kkchoon View Post

            Haha...

            Not sure why you like to pick on words, who is denying PR has power? I think Matt is trying to give you a point here - both quantity and quality does matters.
            KK come on man you are late to the game. this is the second thread on this and yeah somebody did say they would pick infos N/As and zeros over PR even with a what was it? a $40,000 budget? cough cough :rolleyes:. We all know that link popularity matters but sorry KK not over quality. but alright we can have fun with this. I can at least. So lets go

            You can go and use 200 PR4 sites to rank a keyword while Matt has 15,000 PR0 ~ PR3 sites, who do you think had the ranking power?
            drop the PR3s bro. the discussion has been PR 0s so I'll take the PR4s and Matt ain't got no 15,000 nothing so you raise me (poker talk) 4,000 . You say the 15,000s PR zeros has more juice? then once again KK SHOW ME A COMPETITIVE serp where a page ranks number one with no PR links.. Hey remember this one from the good old days? The one angela made famous

            backlinks - Google Search

            Guess what? after a long absence - she's back finally (but not at the top) but guess what? She's got PR backlinks I tell you its scandalous.

            BY the way where you at Kman. You know that was THE serp for what you sell (used to sell em myself but I grew up and left the hood ) . Where you at bro.? Wheres the Nuclear Link blaster at?

            Be honest dude Why are you dodging? Show me in the serps and No again I am not interested in your service don't need it, don't want it, don't offer it again. Sure we can be friends . Hope we still are and I want to learn just like you but its got to be real and real for SEO is whats happening on google. Its a big lab sitting there and you can go to it and see what ranks. So why when we look do we see the number 2 guy (where angela used to sit a few years back) with all those Pr links ranking above all the guys like yourself that used to push N/A links?

            Do you know what we could be doing thats far more constructive? look at serps that people in this thread who would like to build a network want to rank for. I wonder out of say like ten random serps put up by them how many won't have pages with high Pr links on them?

            So why try to emulate what isn't ranking those sites right now? and why should anyone build a network around what doesn't rank most sites number one. You have a good night man (At least its night here on the east coast of the US). and we are still friends I hope
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    Mixing backlink types are the first and most important thing, after that, we can pick any one of the method to focus on ranking.

    I'm pretty interested to see how pr0 blogs are going to rank keywords, may be I'll try 10K, 50K and 100K competition keywords to see how a 200 pr0 blogs going to help in ranking.
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    • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
      Originally Posted by kkchoon View Post


      I'm pretty interested to see how pr0 blogs are going to rank keywords, may be I'll try 10K, 50K and 100K competition keywords to see how a 200 pr0 blogs going to help in ranking.
      Good luck with that just don't think you are going to offer a service with that. My mentorship/internship spots are almost full and if my guys follow through they will smoke you and then some.

      Might even convince some of them to combine forces and they can smoke Matt and Marc

      So in theory, you could take Matt's .info domains and build them to PR5 blogs overnight so to speak. That way you would get the cheap domains and also have the high PR as well. Just a thought.
      Well you sure can build High PR pages. There are a variety of ways you can do it but lets not forget what makes a high PR page - links . So no its not going to happen magically overnight UNLESS you have a source for links (like your own hint hint)with higher PR. Now you can of course try to blast them up with lower quality links but its either time or money and there are limits tohow high you will go with just those.

      as for buying .infos to build them up. Why bother. Look around. Netfirms has had a special coupon for months that allowed you to get .coms .net. orgs for $4.95 WITH PRIVACY. You build more equity in your domains with .com .net .org (not talking SEo here but market value). Plus having hundreds of .infos is a dead give away if your money site ever gets manually reviewed that your are up to something. Remember since you are going to be building these up it would make no sense to have the domain expire so you are going to be paying for renewal fees.
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  • Profile picture of the author oogyboogawa
    Between the last thread and this one as well as PMs and reading on other sites, I've been absorbing a lot of information about setting up high PR networks for SEO purposes.

    Yesterday, I bought 3 PR 2 domains from Godaddy auctions (the transfers will finalize next week). I do plan to buy more once these are set up and to ramp things up as I build momentum.

    But I wanted to post this to let people know that you don't have to start out by buying 100 PR5+ domains.

    After some digging to make sure the PR was real, the links to the sites looked like they would stick, and to find a coupon code for Godaddy, I was able to grab these three sites for between $70-75 (total for all 3 - average of less than $25/site). That includes domain renewal and privacy.

    Three PR 2 sites aren't going to rank me high for "car insurance" but when you consider that I have absolute control over how many links are on these pages and where they point to, they will definitely be worth that price. Not to mention the fact that I will be able to build these to a higher PR over time.

    Anyway - I hope that's at least somewhat encouraging to anyone who is on the fence or considering starting this type of network.
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  • Profile picture of the author aymen99
    setting up a private blog network is not something that everyone can afford ! is you want to do it you better do it right , because in your case it will be a was of time and money : easy way to do it : first get a c-class hosting with 200 c_class ips , then buy 200 domains (.org,.net,.com,.biz , and few .info ) , create wp blogs for all of those blogs and a nice theme for all of the blogs , then its better to create some kind of server script to allow you to post to your blogs faster than doing it manually !


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  • Profile picture of the author foreignnative
    setting up a web 2.0 ring has taken so much time. I've wanted to quite so many times. I thought to myself, if I just would have worked a regular job I would made x amount of money. It takes a lot of patience and dedication. It's easy to start slacking when you're tired too, which is why I'm taking a break and I'm here
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    • Profile picture of the author Marc_L
      Originally Posted by seoupdate View Post

      We'd need to know the purposes for the OPs desire to create a network of blogs.

      What is your budget? If money is no object you can buy aged domains and add private who is, there alot of pitfalls you need to be aware of when you take on this task. So make sure you read up on the process before starting as you're apt to lose PR or buy fake PR if you aren't careful. Also what is your timeframe to get started? It can take months to years to build up a network like this.

      If you are on a more shoestring budget or time constraints then you can go with .info domains, which can be as cheap as 50 cents a domain make sure you opt for who is privacy. You can find some multi c class hosting for cheap to get your foot in the door.

      If you go the .info route you can develop your domains into hi PR over time.

      Personally I get the results I need by going the .info route and having lots of domains, which you may or may not need depending on the amounts of keywords you are working with.
      This looks VERY familiar. hmmmmm
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      • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
        Originally Posted by Marc_L View Post

        This looks VERY familiar. hmmmmm
        Yah right up to the point where he mentions you can develop your .info domains into High Pr over time.

        Originally Posted by kkchoon View Post

        Where did you get the 50 cents .info domain? I would love to know...

        Anyone know what's the cheapest .info?
        why you guys so hard up for cash? Want a loan? $2-$4 gets you some .com .net .orgs at netfirm last I bought. stop making it so hard on your customers or yourself. if you one day do get a top rank in a really competitive serp (it could happen I suppose) its a kind of dead give away when you competitor sees all these .infos pointing at your site. Its even easier to hit the web spam report link now.
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        • Profile picture of the author Marc_L
          Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

          Yah right up to the point where he mentions you can develop your .info domains into High Pr over time.
          Nope, the whole thing was mine.
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  • Profile picture of the author kkchoon
    Hey Mike,

    Nice site: SEO Training Opportunities

    What keywords have you ranked? How's the traffic? Are you making Tens of Thousands?

    You have shown some great points here:

    Backlinks is a competitive keyword, not easy to rank and very hard to stay. If you are talking about 94Mil competition, you are right, I haven't ranked for those kind of competition, but if I want, I can.

    Terry Kyle forum used to be in the top 5 around last year, and during that time he only uses profile links, I guess his site still not bad, after a year and still ranked on page 1.

    Here's something I'm interested:

    What kind of competition can a massive PR0 network rank for? Not sure if Matt will share this, but I'm gonna find out eventually.

    I believe the low quality network still works great when you have enough trustrank on your site. You see, when your site don't have enough trust, Google will ignore those low quality backlinks, but when your site already had enough trust with many authority links, these spammy links will start to work great!

    Anyway, I really interested to see a new site with PR0 network, if they can rank for keyword with 5 mil quote search. Or may be mixing a few high PR links will help? What kind of combination is the best?

    Knowing these information would greatly help me plan my keywords, I can target many long tail keywords or even setup auto blog with unique spin content that would generate a lot of traffic - all autopilot.

    Kok Choon

    P.S. I really hate people pushing me, if you want a competition, let me know which keyword you want to compete, we'll both setup a site and rank for it.

    You can use your private network, I'll just use the cheap but effective blog network services like AMA, SEOLV or Articleranks to out rank your site.
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    • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
      Originally Posted by kkchoon View Post

      Hey Mike,

      Nice site: SEO Training Opportunities

      What keywords have you ranked? How's the traffic? Are you making Tens of Thousands?
      Considering the site went up yesterday and hasn't officially launched (like it says there in black and white) actually pretty good.
      You have shown some great points here:

      Backlinks is a competitive keyword, not easy to rank and very hard to stay.
      Sorry been watching it for months. the number two guy has been sitting there for a long time. With his PR5 , 4s and less


      Terry Kyle forum used to be in the top 5 around last year, and during that time he only uses profile links, I guess his site still not bad, after a year and still ranked on page 1.
      Sorry again KK, He's not in the top five

      I believe the low quality network still works great when you have enough trustrank on your site. You see, when your site don't have enough trust, Google will ignore those low quality backlinks, but when your site already had enough trust with many authority links, these spammy links will start to work great!
      Actually I somewhat can agree with that because if the site already has good PR links it can get a boost from link s based on popularity but it has to get the Pr links first or well at some point.

      You can use your private network, I'll just use the cheap but effective blog network services like AMA, SEOLV or Articleranks to out rank your site.
      Thats funny I have never seen any site out ranking my customer's sites with article services. Maybe you have me confused with Matt
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      • Profile picture of the author Clyde
        Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

        Thats funny I have never seen any site out ranking my customer's sites with article services. Maybe you have me confused with Matt
        So it's on? kkchoon vs Mike Anthony? :p
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  • Profile picture of the author mohd
    Originally Posted by uniches View Post

    So it's on? kkchoon vs Mike Anthony? :p
    I've been following with interest.

    I think EVERYONE would LOVE to see a thread kkchoon vs Mike Anthony vs mattlaclear

    Instead of chit-chat here and there about SEO, (and I can see a lot of hatred)
    why don't you guys compete?

    I mean in a good way.

    Pick several competitive keywords and rank for them.

    Layout strategy and the winner will be determine by speed, position
    and how long you guys holds to that ranking.

    Wouldn't it be easier to prove who's the REAL SEO Master?
    (I mean just among you guys k, others don't get mad)

    And that's why you're here right? In WARRIOR forum...lol

    No more flaming, nothing to lose, gain further credibility and respected by others.

    Just a suggestion.
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    • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
      Originally Posted by mohd View Post

      I've been following with interest.

      I think EVERYONE would LOVE to see a thread kkchoon vs Mike Anthony vs mattlaclear

      Instead of chit-chat here and there about SEO, (and I can see a lot of hatred)
      To all: The party's over

      KKchoon and i go back a bit and he is one of my favorite SEO old timers. Don't mistake a little debate as hatred. Like I think we both said we are still friends.

      Secondly believe it or not its never been about service vs service and I think at this point its so impossible for people to believe that I will do like Marc and for the same reasons too (time) withdraw to a more quiet stance. Frankly before these discussions my sig didn't have any link at all and for a year had nothing before that so it was never about service. My lowest paying client pays a thousand a month and I wouldn't want too much of those. As you know thats not a good WSO price point but hey I like it and my business customers are fine with it. So Matt and I are in two completely different markets.

      Some of us eat and drink SEo at least a good chunk of our work life and certain statements just seem to be so misleading that we respond especially if like me you've been sharing with newbies in this section and selling NOTHING here in the last year until I got so many requests for what I am offering very briefly now.

      I already offered the best thing for a thread like this about building a network. take a newbie from scratch teach them how to build a SEo network without holding back ANY secrets and then see which newbie network emerges as the best. That way its about concept against concept, NOt service against service or Mike Anthony against Laclear.

      It was declined FOR VERY GOOD REASONS (not bickering) because doing so would be time consuming and the rewards for it would be nothing but settling a forum discussion. I realized even the data that would come from it would be scant. Last to be completely fair it wasn't a fair request as I look back at it. MY clients are not on Warriors (for the most part) but if they were why in the world would I want to teach Warriors everything I know and potentially create competitors against myself?

      So despite our disagreements I think Marc's decline was based on solid reasons. What it means I think is that this thread and others if they should pop up are not going to give any more significant information. The more I have prepared to teach people how to do this the more I have realized that there are just too much ins and outs, too much details, too many questions to arise and too much time to think its all going to be covered in a forum thread. Theres alot in these debates that could have made a solid WSO but theres a limit and we might have reached it.

      Thanks to KKChoon, To Matt, To Marc the other two mikes and everyone else. I got work to catch up to, people to teach and some fun things coming up I have to work on. I'll hang around but you will see far less by way of posts from me.

      Enjoy whatever discussion continues
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  • Profile picture of the author Cool Hand Luke
    (sigh). Yet another big "My ranking skills are the bestest!" circle jerk threads that strays away from the original topic completely.

    In before the mods lock this one too.
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    • Profile picture of the author mohd
      Originally Posted by Cool Hand Luke View Post

      (sigh). Yet another big "My ranking skills are the bestest!" circle jerk threads that strays away from the original topic completely.

      In before the mods lock this one too.
      Ops... Sorry if I'm off topic...
      just a suggestion.. don't be mad.
      I don't usually hang out at warriorforum, so don't know about
      "My ranking skills are the bestest!" threads.

      Peace.
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    • Profile picture of the author Oranges
      Originally Posted by Cool Hand Luke View Post

      (sigh). Yet another big "My ranking skills are the bestest!" circle jerk threads that strays away from the original topic completely.

      In before the mods lock this one too.
      ROFLMAO! Spot on! Bunch of wannabes, nothing else!:rolleyes:
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      • Profile picture of the author MikeFriedman
        Damnit. I go away for a night trying to get some actual work done, and I miss all the fun.

        Anyhow... Let's get some good back on topic info.

        How about recommendations on SEO Hosting providers. This just comes to mind because I decided to add a new one to my mix a few months ago (that was getting good reviews at backlinksforum), only for them to be royally pissing me off the past two days.

        I've tried or am currently using most of the popular ones. Anyone found any little known ones that are offering great service?
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        • Profile picture of the author Marc_L
          Originally Posted by MikeFriedman View Post

          Damnit. I go away for a night trying to get some actual work done, and I miss all the fun.

          Anyhow... Let's get some good back on topic info.

          How about recommendations on SEO Hosting providers. This just comes to mind because I decided to add a new one to my mix a few months ago (that was getting good reviews at backlinksforum), only for them to be royally pissing me off the past two days.

          I've tried or am currently using most of the popular ones. Anyone found any little known ones that are offering great service?
          Take a look at skynet hosting.
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          • Profile picture of the author MikeFriedman
            Originally Posted by Marc_L View Post

            Take a look at skynet hosting.
            Thanks Marc. I will take a look at what they offer.

            I'm pretty sure if I was offering any kind of service on the internet that the last name I would choose is Skynet.

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      • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
        Originally Posted by Oranges View Post

        ROFLMAO! Spot on! Bunch of wannabes, nothing else!:rolleyes:
        Glad I am pulling back as the conversation it seems is about to get real deep and informative
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  • Profile picture of the author NicholasCollins
    I spent 3 hours last night reading this whole thread and have 4 pages of notebook filled with tips and tricks I picked up. Despite the Young and the Restless style drama its a great read.
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    • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
      Originally Posted by NicholasCollins View Post

      Young and the Restless style drama its a great read.

      LOL. Glad it was of help to you
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  • Profile picture of the author Marc_L
    I got a 20 ip package for $20, amazing deal.
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    • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
      Originally Posted by Marc_L View Post

      I got a 20 ip package for $20, amazing deal.
      Thats as good as it gets. I have heard good things about them.
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    • Profile picture of the author MikeFriedman
      Originally Posted by Marc_L View Post

      I got a 20 ip package for $20, amazing deal.
      And no problems with uptime? Do they have any limits on the # of domains per IP?

      That is another thing that pissed me off about this particular host. Nowhere on their website did it list restrictions. After I started setting up sites though, I found that it was limited to one site per IP. I only setup one site per IP for my networks, but I will sometimes use extra domains on the IP's for throw away email domains or things I am testing.

      That is a pretty damn good deal with Skynet. Most of my packages are in the $2 - $2.50 per IP range at best.
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      • Profile picture of the author MikeFriedman
        I was just checking out Skynet.

        I might be missing something, but I can get 20 IPs for $19.95 or I can get 50 IPs for $99.95.

        Why wouldn't someone buy 3 of the 20 IP package? You get 60 for $60 instead of 50 for $100.

        :confused:
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        • Profile picture of the author Oranges
          Originally Posted by MikeFriedman View Post

          I was just checking out Skynet.

          I might be missing something, but I can get 20 IPs for $19.95 or I can get 50 IPs for $99.95.

          Why wouldn't someone buy 3 of the 20 IP package? You get 60 for $60 instead of 50 for $100.

          :confused:
          Then those 3 packs of 20 ips will be same. I mean same 20 Ips X 3 time.
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          • Profile picture of the author MikeFriedman
            Originally Posted by Oranges View Post

            Then those 3 packs of 20 ips will be same. I mean same 20 Ips X 3 time.
            No they wouldn't.

            They wouldn't keep selling the same 20 IP's to each customer.
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            • Profile picture of the author Marc_L
              Originally Posted by MikeFriedman View Post

              No they wouldn't.

              They wouldn't keep selling the same 20 IP's to each customer.
              I think they do plus I am not so sure you can get 3 of the 20 ip packages on the same account.
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              • Profile picture of the author MikeFriedman
                Originally Posted by Marc_L View Post

                I think they do plus I am not so sure you can get 3 of the 20 ip packages on the same account.
                No, probably not.

                But I have a corporation, an LLC, and me.

                That could get me 3.
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                • Profile picture of the author Marc_L
                  Originally Posted by MikeFriedman View Post

                  No, probably not.

                  But I have a corporation, an LLC, and me.

                  That could get me 3.
                  FYI, when I bought my 20 ip package and a partner bought 50 the first 20 of the 50 were the same as my 20. We asked them to change the 20 of the larger package and they did with no problems.
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                  • Profile picture of the author MikeFriedman
                    Originally Posted by Marc_L View Post

                    FYI, when I bought my 20 ip package and a partner bought 50 the first 20 of the 50 were the same as my 20. We asked them to change the 20 of the larger package and they did with no problems.
                    Thanks. That's good to know.
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                    • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
                      Originally Posted by MikeFriedman View Post

                      Thanks. That's good to know.
                      Yo mike might want to ask them if that applies to the sale package. If it does then let us know. It is a good deal.
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                      • Profile picture of the author MikeFriedman
                        Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

                        Yo mike might want to ask them if that applies to the sale package. If it does then let us know. It is a good deal.
                        I placed an order. I'm just waiting for my activation email and then I'll see what I can find out.
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                        • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
                          Originally Posted by MikeFriedman View Post

                          I placed an order. I'm just waiting for my activation email and then I'll see what I can find out.
                          Thanks Drop me a Pm . I think I will be setting up a bunch more in a few weeks plus I have some people I will be training that might need a few. haven't tried that one because I had read some bad things but I got the heads up by PM from someone I trust that they are OK.
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                            Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

                            Thanks Drop me a Pm . I think I will be setting up a bunch more in a few weeks plus I have some people I will be training that might need a few. haven't tried that one because I had read some bad things but I got the heads up by PM from someone I trust that they are OK.
                            I have a small network I will be moving to them as soon as everything is activated.

                            I was using Web Hosting Plex for these particular sites. No problems until the past week. It's been a nightmare. Sites are going down for no apparent reason.

                            I know they are changing ownership and that could be causing some issues, but I'm done with them.
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                            • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
                              Originally Posted by MikeFriedman View Post


                              I was using Web Hosting Plex for these particular sites. No problems until the past week. It's been a nightmare. Sites are going down for no apparent reason. .
                              yikes. They were one of the decent ones. Approached them about some UK accounts a couple weeks ago but they were out - maybe a good thing.
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                            • Profile picture of the author Marc_L
                              Originally Posted by MikeFriedman View Post

                              I have a small network I will be moving to them as soon as everything is activated.

                              I was using Web Hosting Plex for these particular sites. No problems until the past week. It's been a nightmare. Sites are going down for no apparent reason.

                              I know they are changing ownership and that could be causing some issues, but I'm done with them.
                              Almost went with them...
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                              • Profile picture of the author MikeFriedman
                                Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

                                yikes. They were one of the decent ones. Approached them about some UK accounts a couple weeks ago but they were out - maybe a good thing.
                                Originally Posted by Marc_L View Post

                                Almost went with them...

                                Stay far, far away from them.

                                I went with them a few months ago because some people at backlinksforum seemed to like them and there was someone from the company actually participating in the forum, which I liked.

                                This week I've been unable to access my sites on a number of occasions. The only answer they had for me was "Well everything looks ok on our end. Did you try clearing your cache?"

                                Yeah, thanks a lot for all the help.

                                I only have 2 Wordpress sites with them. One went down yesterday with some kind of database error and I can no longer access it. The other one went down in he middle of my updating to the newest version. It went completely unresponsive after that and they couldn't recover anything. I had to terminate the account and recreate it.

                                I'm done with them.
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                                • Profile picture of the author Oranges
                                  Originally Posted by MikeFriedman View Post

                                  Stay far, far away from them.

                                  I went with them a few months ago because some people at backlinksforum seemed to like them and there was someone from the company actually participating in the forum, which I liked.

                                  This week I've been unable to access my sites on a number of occasions. The only answer they had for me was "Well everything looks ok on our end. Did you try clearing your cache?"

                                  Yeah, thanks a lot for all the help.

                                  I only have 2 Wordpress sites with them. One went down yesterday with some kind of database error and I can no longer access it. The other one went down in he middle of my updating to the newest version. It went completely unresponsive after that and they couldn't recover anything. I had to terminate the account and recreate it.

                                  I'm done with them.

                                  LOL! I knew its going to happen.
                                  what you can expect for $20??
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                                  • Profile picture of the author MikeFriedman
                                    Originally Posted by Oranges View Post

                                    LOL! I knew its going to happen.
                                    what you can expect for $20??
                                    Web Hosting Plex is not $20. The plan I had with them was $40 for 15 IPs.
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                                    • Profile picture of the author Marc_L
                                      Originally Posted by myleswatts033 View Post

                                      Really, the comic thing is, assuring some of your land site down was what caused me go check mine only to detect mine all cheated up.
                                      lol, hmmmmm
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                                      • Profile picture of the author gigo6000
                                        This is a great thread, I believe now that blog networks are the way to go to rank a site and I got a study case, I blog was sold recently on flippa ranking #1 for "iphone 5" in about 3-4 months if you check the backlinks they are from a recently created blog network, and apparently he was just experimenting with SEO. I'm not a SEO guy either, I'm a developer and I think that must be a very competitive keyword. Any ideas how this guy got his blog there ? I think this can confirm that blog networks are better than other methods.
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                                        • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
                                          Originally Posted by gigo6000 View Post

                                          This is a great thread, I believe now that blog networks are the way to go to rank a site and I got a study case,
                                          Just to clarify networks are great at ranking sites. Don't really have to be BLOG networks. however blogs are easy to setup and maintain but so also are other CMS - Wordpress can be used as well as drupal. even HTML sites but they are MUCH more difficult to automate content updates.

                                          Just a note - I'm still getting multiple PMs from people reading this thread expecting much more extra free info. Just a heads up - I do not offer extensive free training on this very lucrative subject. No one does. Building a network costs a little money and learning everything to build one costs as well. Its a lot of information and training and you cannot expect if to learn everything for free. Theres alot thats in this thread that could make a WSO so be happy with it for free. Just saving us both the time before you PM. .
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                                          • Profile picture of the author gigo6000
                                            Well, I'm not asking you for any "secret" info, I know what's a blog , I'm a developer. Everything is online so no one need to pay to know how to become a "SEO expert". If you don't want to share your superior knowledge just don't write here.


                                            Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

                                            Just to clarify networks are great at ranking sites. Don't really have to be BLOG networks. however blogs are easy to setup and maintain but so also are other CMS - Wordpress can be used as well as drupal. even HTML sites but they are MUCH more difficult to automate content updates.

                                            Just a note - I'm still getting multiple PMs from people reading this thread expecting much more extra free info. Just a heads up - I do not offer extensive free training on this very lucrative subject. No one does. Building a network costs a little money and learning everything to build one costs as well. Its a lot of information and training and you cannot expect if to learn everything for free. Theres alot thats in this thread that could make a WSO so be happy with it for free. Just saving us both the time before you PM. .
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                                            • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
                                              Originally Posted by gigo6000 View Post

                                              Well, I'm not asking you for any "secret" info, I know what's a blog , I'm a developer. Everything is online so no one need to pay to know how to become a "SEO expert". If you don't want to share your superior knowledge just don't write here.
                                              Four quick pointers

                                              A) try and at least get into double digits of posts before trying to tell anyone where they can write. Its more credible and for extra credit it might help to write something that people have found useful as reflected in being thanked before implying that plenty isn't given away by me or any other person with hundreds of thanks. Earn your stripes my young apprentice.

                                              B) did you PM me? No. You have not even earned the privilege of being able to use PMs. So how would my note apply to you? Hint it didn't.

                                              C) Books still have their place even now that we have the internets so people still buy them and no you could Google all day and not know what some of us who have built networks in this thread have learned.

                                              D) If everything is available to become an expert at building SEO networks what are you doing here asking questions about how a site got ranked? Chop chop man go get the answer by doing google searches.
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                                              • Profile picture of the author JoshuaG
                                                What exactly is quality content? Unique? Reads well? Do you think google can differentiate between rough grammar and Ernest Hemingway quality prose? I'm not so sure but do whatever works for you
                                                Yes, Google can tell the difference.

                                                This, among other things, is exactly what the panda update was designed to do.
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                                                • Profile picture of the author Marc_L
                                                  Originally Posted by JoshuaG View Post

                                                  Yes, Google can tell the difference.

                                                  This, among other things, is exactly what the panda update was designed to do.
                                                  So what you are telling me is that if somebody has a blog and their grammar sucks then they link to a site then google discounts the link because it is in badly written content? I disagree with you, google can't tell the difference and they don't discount links within poorly written content.
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                                                  • Profile picture of the author JoshuaG
                                                    Originally Posted by Marc_L View Post

                                                    So what you are telling me is that if somebody has a blog and their grammar sucks then they link to a site then google discounts the link because it is in badly written content? I disagree with you, google can't tell the difference and they don't discount links within poorly written content.
                                                    Cool disagreement bro!
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                                                • Profile picture of the author guitarjosh
                                                  Originally Posted by JoshuaG View Post

                                                  Yes, Google can tell the difference.

                                                  This, among other things, is exactly what the panda update was designed to do.
                                                  That's awesome. You have a direct line in to "exactly what the panda update was designed to do." Care to cite your source? I've never once heard or read that Panda was a grammar update.

                                                  Do you know how many websites contain thousands of pages of poorly spun content that have high PR? Google is a text search engine... not a grammar engine.
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                                                  • Profile picture of the author JoshuaG
                                                    Originally Posted by guitarjosh View Post

                                                    That's awesome. You have a direct line in to "exactly what the panda update was designed to do." Care to cite your source? I've never once heard or read that Panda was a grammar update.

                                                    Do you know how many websites contain thousands of pages of poorly spun content that have high PR? Google is a text search engine... not a grammar engine.
                                                    Happy to cite:
                                                    Official Google Webmaster Tools Blog

                                                    The recent "Panda" change tackles the difficult task of algorithmically assessing website quality...

                                                    Below are some questions that one could use to assess the "quality" of a page or an article...

                                                    • Does this article have spelling, stylistic, orfactual errors?
                                                    • Was the article edited well, or does it appear sloppy or hastily produced?
                                                    I'll be the first to admit that it doesn't come right out and say it, but by using the term "well edited" I think google has made is a strong indication that panda knows when basic grammer is being observed.

                                                    Text which is said to be "well edited" would have undergone a process to improve/ensure readability. Articles that don' t follow basic sentence structure for example are not readable in any meaningful way and would be considered low quality.

                                                    Its the difference between:

                                                    1. The moon the jumped over cow.

                                                    and

                                                    2. The cow jumped over the moon.

                                                    Feel free to disagree, but the above, my personal experience, and some good common sense says to me that in order to function as an agent of quality panda needs to be able to tell overly spun spammy trash from informative and "well edited" content.
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                                                    • Profile picture of the author Marc_L
                                                      Originally Posted by JoshuaG View Post

                                                      Feel free to disagree, but the above, my personal experience, and some good common sense says to me that in order to function as an agent of quality panda needs to be able to tell overly spun spammy trash from informative and "well edited" content.
                                                      Well using your logic google can now detect BS since they ask if there are any factual errors in the article as well. Are you going to make that claim based upon those guidelines? To be consistent you'd have to say that google has an anti bs detector as well. This of course is BS

                                                      Obviously this is not the case and it isn't the case that bad grammar is going to automatically be detected by the algorithms either. Now, manual reviews on the other hand? Of course, that's a different story but when we are talking about backlinks grammar has no effect.
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                                                      • Profile picture of the author JoshuaG
                                                        Originally Posted by Marc_L View Post

                                                        Well using your logic google can now detect BS since they ask if there are any factual errors in the article as well. Are you going to make that claim based upon those guidelines? To be consistent you'd have to say that google has an anti bs detector as well. This of course is BS

                                                        Obviously this is not the case and it isn't the case that bad grammar is going to automatically be detected by the algorithms either. Now, manual reviews on the other hand? Of course, that's a different story but when we are talking about backlinks grammar has no effect.
                                                        I am perfectly happy to remain consistent and I do believe that google has the ability to separate fact from fiction to some degree.

                                                        Heres an example...

                                                        Lets say google knows 100 000 websites that say:
                                                        "JFK was shot on Nov 22, 1963"

                                                        Then there are 100 websites that say:
                                                        ""JFK was shot on Aug 22, 1963"

                                                        This comparison would give google a strong indication that those 100 websites are probably wrong.
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                                                        • Profile picture of the author Marc_L
                                                          Originally Posted by JoshuaG View Post

                                                          I am perfectly happy to remain consistent and I do believe that google has the ability to separate fact from fiction to some degree.

                                                          Heres an example...

                                                          Lets say google knows 100 000 websites that say:
                                                          "JFK was shot on Nov 22, 1963"

                                                          Then there are 100 websites that say:
                                                          ""JFK was shot on Aug 22, 1963"

                                                          This comparison would give google a strong indication that those 100 websites are probably wrong.
                                                          You give them far too much credit my friend. There is zero evidence to what you are saying and it is you who would need to present the evidence make no mistake. Google has a very sophisticated algorithm but it is no where near advanced to be able to go through text and understand the millions of ways possible to state facts such as JFK's assassination date.

                                                          "JFK flew into Dallas on November 21st, the following day he was assassinated by Lee Harvey Oswald."

                                                          As an example.
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                                                          • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
                                                            Originally Posted by Marc_L View Post

                                                            Google has a very sophisticated algorithm but it is no where near advanced to be able to go through text and understand the millions of ways possible to state facts such as JFK's assassination date.
                                                            I'm telling you people swear Google has Data from Star trek plugged into every datacenter. I could Say JFK was born last week and Google would rank me if I had the links and the on page SEO.
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      • Profile picture of the author Marc_L
        Originally Posted by MikeFriedman View Post

        And no problems with uptime? Do they have any limits on the # of domains per IP?
        You can host multiple sites per ip (I don't know the limit). Sites seem to be stable.
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  • Profile picture of the author timpears
    Can I ask what is probably a dumb question?

    What is the difference between having your own blog network for back links, and posting articles to the hundreds of article directories and places like Facebook, Twitter and on and on.

    The links on the blog networks seem to have a much higher value than those on other types of platforms and directories. Or am i wrong?
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    • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
      Originally Posted by timpears View Post

      What is the difference between having your own blog network for back links, and posting articles to the hundreds of article directories and places like Facebook, Twitter and on and on.
      From my perspective of building a network my links are not on low authority pages like with an article directory site.


      I think from Matt's perspective - not talking for him this was asked before - there is content that you can put on your site that you wouldn't be able to put and keep on a normal blog network and article directory then theres the matter of scale.
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      • Profile picture of the author timpears
        Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

        From my perspective of building a network my links are not on low authity pages like with an article directory site.
        But if you are putting a new post on a blog, no matter what the PR of the domain is, that new page is going to be PR0 or PRn/a, isn't it?

        That is why I would think the juice from the directory home page would count just as much as the juice from the blog home page.

        Yes, no, maybe? I know my newbie is showing here, but this seems a bit confusing to me. I am fascinated by it though.
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        • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
          Originally Posted by timpears View Post

          But if you are putting a new post on a blog, no matter what the PR of the domain is, that new page is going to be PR0 or PRn/a, isn't it?
          No not if its a the home page that has PR and in many cases you either acquire domains that have links to interior pages or they get PR from the home page (with good navigation?). So on a few domains I bought two months ago I already have several additional PR pages. Drives down the overall cost of getting domains. If you buy them right then you end up getting several free ones.

          So to your question thats vastly difference from those sites you are talking about many of which will never become high Pr sites. Too much you don't control. I get to put links from day one on an authority page.
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          • Profile picture of the author timpears
            Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

            No not if its a the home page that has PR and in many cases you either acquire domains that have links to interior pages or they get PR from the home page (with good navigation?). So on a few domains I bought two months ago I already have several additional PR pages. Drives down the overall cost of getting domains. If you buy them right then you end up getting several free ones.
            Then I am more confused than I thought. How in hell many links can you keep getting on your home page or any other page for that matter, before the juice is thinned out so it is negligible?

            I thought this was something like guest blogging only that you didn't need to get your article approved because you owned the network.

            Oh well, the more I find out, the more I find that I don't know. I am beginning to wonder if I shall ever manage to get the hang of this IM business.
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            • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
              Originally Posted by timpears View Post

              Then I am more confused than I thought. How in hell many links can you keep getting on your home page or any other page for that matter, before the juice is thinned out so it is negligible?
              This comes under creating your own PR when I Teach on the subject but I'll give you a quick answer for free - navigation is but one option. Make sure your page has good navigation and you can do things that convey PR to other pages. like I said I have a set up I use and in no time alone with one PR3 page I created two more and even without trying much so the goal is not just a few pages with authority but many . You then can build up and maintain your juice through other means to keep things going.

              If you are dropping all your links on one page forever you are doing wrong and yet thats what i see home page sellers doing.
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              • Profile picture of the author yc.ng
                Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

                If you are dropping all your links on one page forever you are doing wrong and yet thats what i see home page sellers doing.

                Hi Mike,

                Would like to hear the reason on this. I suppose in private network, you need few home page aged PR links to pass the link juice to new blogs in your network.

                Thanks in advance.
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                • Profile picture of the author MikeFriedman
                  Alright, last update on SkyNet Hosting.

                  They had all 17 of my domains setup in maybe 5 or 6 hours.

                  I'm working on moving them all over from my old host. Thankfully, most were HTML sites, which makes it so much easier to move. If I had all WordPress sites, that would be a nightmare.

                  I did not get a response from them about setting up multiple accounts on the same IP, but I rarely ever do that so I'm not worried about it.

                  Pretty pleased with their service so far.
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                  • Profile picture of the author Marc_L
                    Originally Posted by MikeFriedman View Post

                    I did not get a response from them about setting up multiple accounts on the same IP, but I rarely ever do that so I'm not worried about it.
                    Trust me, they allow it.
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  • Profile picture of the author Chett
    I have heard some people suggest using a lot of small hosting companies and hosting a small number of domains on each hosting package. They claim this is more reliable and that overall you can a better spread of geographical location. The main downside I see is that you will have a certain number of domains on the same ip. Has anyone used this method?
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    • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
      Originally Posted by Chett View Post

      I have heard some people suggest using a lot of small hosting companies and hosting a small number of domains on each hosting package. They claim this is more reliable and that overall you can a better spread of geographical location. The main downside I see is that you will have a certain number of domains on the same ip. Has anyone used this method?
      I do abit of that with companies that have multiple locations. It works fine for smaller networks but to scale you will want to go with SEO hosting. I saw a question you asked but it seems like you have changed it. Did you get the answer or do you still want me to PM you? getting down to the wire now so let me know. Said you could not Pm me so.......
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      • Profile picture of the author Chett
        Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

        I do abit of that with companies that have multiple locations. It works fine for smaller networks but to scale you will want to go with SEO hosting. I saw a question you asked but it seems like you have changed it. Did you get the answer or do you still want me to PM you? getting down to the wire now so let me know. Said you could not Pm me so.......
        Hi Mike. I sent you a visitor message instead, so decided to edit my post. I had a few questions. Thanks Chett
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        • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
          Originally Posted by Chett View Post

          Hi Mike. I sent you a visitor message instead, so decided to edit my post. I had a few questions. Thanks Chett

          Yikes, Nearly missed it. Anyway I got you - check your PM
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      • Profile picture of the author MikeFriedman
        Just to give an update on what I have experienced with Skynet Hosting so far.
        I signed up for the 20 IP account for $20.

        After signing up, I received a confirmation and message that I would receive my welcome email within 24 hours.

        30 hours later, I contacted their online support. Chatted with someone that said it would be another 2-3 hours.

        24 hours after that, I submitted a ticket to their support department and the account was setup 2 hours later.

        Small hiccup, but not a huge deal.

        Once nice thing I really like about them is the IP's have their own private nameservers setup. You don't have to go through your registrar and setup your own nameservers like some SEO hosts make you do.

        On the downside, the 20 IP package does not come with WHM. In order to setup a new domain on an IP, you have to submit a support ticket to them to have the domain and cpanel access setup. For some newbies, they will probably like this. I like the control of being able to setup and terminate accounts at will. They do offer hosting with WHM, but the price jumps up to $2-3 per IP like most other places.

        I just sent in a ticket to have 17 domains setup and ask about having multiple domains on one IP. I will let you know when I hear something.
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        • Profile picture of the author Fraggler
          Originally Posted by MikeFriedman View Post

          Once nice thing I really like about them is the IP's have their own private nameservers setup. You don't have to go through your registrar and setup your own nameservers like some SEO hosts make you do.
          You still need to register your private nameserver with the domain registrar.

          The server-side step you are talking about is configuring the DNS for the new nameserver. A lot of SEO hosts automate this step on account creation.

          I could be wrong though.

          I have a lot of domains with Web Hosting Plex so it was pretty stressful when their previous owner dropped the ball. The new team has got everything of mine up and running great now. It sounds like they had a huge mess to sort out but I'm happy once again.
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          • Profile picture of the author MikeFriedman
            Originally Posted by Fraggler View Post

            I have a lot of domains with Web Hosting Plex so it was pretty stressful when their previous owner dropped the ball. The new team has got everything of mine up and running great now. It sounds like they had a huge mess to sort out but I'm happy once again.
            Actually, the funny thing is, seeing some of your sites down was what made me go check mine only to find mine all screwed up.

            I hope the new owner does a better job, but they've lost me as a customer for the time being.

            I'm always buying new domains though and looking to spread my hosting out wherever I can. I may give them another try sometime in the future.
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          • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
            Troy if you remember give us an update every now and again with web hosting plex. I like spreading out to as many good hosts as I can.
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          • Profile picture of the author Marc_L
            Originally Posted by Fraggler View Post

            You still need to register your private nameserver with the domain registrar.
            Actually skynet gives you nameservers with different domain names for each ip. So you don't need to use private nameservers. I haven't setup private nameservers with them so I'm not sure its even possible.
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            • Profile picture of the author Webmastrr
              Originally Posted by Marc_L View Post

              Actually skynet gives you nameservers with different domain names for each ip. So you don't need to use private nameservers. I haven't setup private nameservers with them so I'm not sure its even possible.
              I agree .. skynet has one of the cheapest and reliable SEO hosting services today .. they dont have a control panel like WHM for you manage everything.. you'd need to support ticket them to add a domain .. but they do offer cpanel for individual domains .. For building out a huge network skynet is the way to go..
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        • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
          Originally Posted by MikeFriedman View Post


          After signing up, I received a confirmation and message that I would receive my welcome email within 24 hours.

          30 hours later, I contacted their online support. Chatted with someone that said it would be another 2-3 hours.

          24 hours after that, I submitted a ticket to their support department and the account was setup 2 hours later.
          small hiccup but not very professional. experiencing the same thing with them. Ordered yesterday still haven't heard anything back. Probably will do a review of all of them for trainees but will post it here as well if I can.
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  • Profile picture of the author LinkVariety
    Originally Posted by ebizman View Post

    Hey,

    I'm looking to setup a private blog network and I've been reading on the forum people setting it up with .info domains. My question...if I register 100 .info domains and and build links from that network. If I let all domains expire will my sites lose those backlinks?

    because i've seen .info domains are cheap when you register them first them but after renewal the price jumps.

    Any feedback from SEO experts would be nice. If anyone has a PDF guide on setting up a private blog network that would be nice too.

    Thanks!
    Building networks is not that easy:

    1) You want to use caught domains with existing links and age, a crop of new .info domains are not going to pass any value
    2) You need to diversify your whois info
    3) You need to host on many different ip addresses, SEO hosting is either very expensive or very unreliable
    4) Getting content for them all is expensive, gennig stuff usually ends badly
    5) Once you have your network linking off it is a pain because you have to diversify your OBL (outbound links).

    If google sees 100 sites all linking to the same 5 money sites... it will end badly for you!

    Unless you have a lot of sites to promote, and the money to invest in decent domains on which you can also sell links (which will help fund the network and mix up OBL) then forget it. Just get a subscription to BuildMyRank, will be a lot more effective and less painful!
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    • Profile picture of the author Matt.Lake
      Originally Posted by LinkVariety View Post

      If google sees 100 sites all linking to the same 5 money sites... it will end badly for you!
      I'd be interested to hear others opinions on this.

      From my own experience and from talking with people more knowledgable of SEO than me, I'm inclined to say this isn't true. Add to this that most homepage backlink networks will all have a bunch of sites pointing to the exact same sites.

      Provided you don't interlink your money sites, the footprint would be very small and hard to detect.
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      • Profile picture of the author LinkVariety
        Originally Posted by Matt.Lake View Post

        I'd be interested to hear others opinions on this.

        From my own experience and from talking with people more knowledgable of SEO than me, I'm inclined to say this isn't true. Add to this that most homepage backlink networks will all have a bunch of sites pointing to the exact same sites.
        Yeah and a lot of HPBL sites get banned or lose PR... they are churn n burn.

        That works ok for them as they are built to SELL LINKS and they can simply replace the casualties. If you are building your own network to rank your own sites its a different ball game.

        Furthermore, I use a coupleo of HPBL networks and they are not very effective, certainly many times less effective link for link that a well built network which pays attention to diversity.

        I should add that I have built three networks now. The first one got wiped out overnight, literally... I checked the sites one morning and every one of them had been torched.

        The other two have held good, the oldest is 2 years, see how many HPBL networks still have their origional sites in 2 years.

        Consider also BackLinkSolutions, thier network has been torched and rebuilt at least twice, first time allegedly their links were passed to Google, but second time I think they put down to mass crappy spinners going out to the same sites over and over.
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        • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
          Originally Posted by LinkVariety View Post

          Yeah and a lot of HPBL sites get banned or lose PR... they are churn n burn. .
          Well that is because most HPBL networks have the same look. You can spot them a mile away - too many links, all kinds of varied subjects on the page and links of various long tails. I have pages I put less than 10-12 links on.

          They are not going anywhere soon. 10 links certainly do not yell link farm

          Generally though people want to spend $40-$60 per month so to make the cash the sellers have to flood the page with a whole lot of links and thats the dead give away. If I tried to sell my low OBL pages here people would say " But I can get this for such and such for $47". Well yeah with a high OBl but people don't realize how that works. Thats why they run around here posting blog comment links on an open forum so that their PR4 comment they found can have a few hundred links on it by the end of the months
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