$150 per day account got banned today!

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The title says it all. I have appealed but you know how that goes, right? I got this message - " poses a risk of invalid activity".

Does anybody know what that means? Does that mean my site has failed manual review? When the manual review guy gets turned off by my site, is this the message that gets sent out? If anyone has experience with this, please help. Thank you so much in advance.

P.S. I have just one site with unique content. Many articles have been written by dedicated writers and they are not spun content. Links are not real good, though. Mostly manually built forum profiles, directory and comment links.
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  • Profile picture of the author bestrevenueshare
    Are you talking about AdSense?
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  • Profile picture of the author stelweb
    yes, i am talking about an adsense account.
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  • Profile picture of the author rahildeziner
    Banned
    You must share the site to get good answer
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  • Profile picture of the author Anna Howard
    Well what all i can say is Tough luck... happens often with most of the people....
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    • Profile picture of the author yukon
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      Originally Posted by Anna Howard View Post

      Well what all i can say is Tough luck... happens often with most of the people....
      Because most of the people follow the easy money herd, & can't be bothered by a simple TOS (show me the money, not the rules). :rolleyes:

      I've had an active Adsense account for 5 years & never a single problem (never). Want to know my secret to keeping my Adsense account? Follow the TOS.
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      • Profile picture of the author stelweb
        Originally Posted by yukon View Post

        Because most of the people follow the easy money herd, & can't be bothered by a simple TOS (show me the money, not the rules). :rolleyes:

        I've had an active Adsense account for 5 years & never a single problem (never). Want to know my secret to keeping my Adsense account? Follow the TOS.
        i guess you are right. Like i had mentioned, my links were mostly manual comment links and this definitely was not compliant with the web master policies. If the site is not compliant with the webmaster policies, it would mean it is not compliant with adsense policies, too. Thank you for your input.
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      • Profile picture of the author blueorca17
        Originally Posted by yukon View Post

        Because most of the people follow the easy money herd, & can't be bothered by a simple TOS (show me the money, not the rules). :rolleyes:

        I've had an active Adsense account for 5 years & never a single problem (never). Want to know my secret to keeping my Adsense account? Follow the TOS.
        Hehe. Well said.
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    • Profile picture of the author paulgl
      Originally Posted by Anna Howard View Post

      Well what all i can say is Tough luck... happens often with most of the people....
      LOL!!!!!!!

      Problem is, instead of waiting to get banned, you should have joined the
      WF a long, long time ago. Then maybe you would still have your adsense
      account.

      Your traffic sucked. Period. Who knows what kinds of clicking they
      were doing, if you get my drift. They take no prisoners with "invalid"
      activity if it continues unabated.

      And of course you just make google even more militant. Which makes
      it hard for the rest.

      Note to others: It's not too late. Come back from the Dark Side.

      Are we a broken record:
      Originally Posted by yukon View Post

      Because most of the people follow the easy money herd, & can't be bothered by a simple TOS (show me the money, not the rules). :rolleyes:
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  • Profile picture of the author markowe
    Sorry to hear it - yet another reason to be wary about basing a living off Adsense.

    ...and now cue the sage on duty here who will say, BS, you WERE breaking the TOS in some way, you must have known it was coming, and you deny it and say your site was kosher (well, apart from the backlinks) and so it goes round in circles and we never really get to figure out why someone got banned.

    I do find it a bit worrying if, as you say, you only had one site - the story of late seems to have been people with gazillions of MFAs getting hit, which I can understand. I can't see why the backlinks are something the Adsense people would care about - they surely leave that stuff to the search guys. Unless you were getting a significant amount of low quality traffic through those backlinks and it wasn't converting.

    Sigh, I guess we'll never know. Got any plans now?
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    • Profile picture of the author stelweb
      Originally Posted by markowe View Post

      Sorry to hear it - yet another reason to be wary about basing a living off Adsense.

      ...and now cue the sage on duty here who will say, BS, you WERE breaking the TOS in some way, you must have known it was coming, and you deny it and say your site was kosher (well, apart from the backlinks) and so it goes round in circles and we never really get to figure out why someone got banned.

      I do find it a bit worrying if, as you say, you only had one site - the story of late seems to have been people with gazillions of MFAs getting hit, which I can understand. I can't see why the backlinks are something the Adsense people would care about - they surely leave that stuff to the search guys. Unless you were getting a significant amount of low quality traffic through those backlinks and it wasn't converting.

      Sigh, I guess we'll never know. Got any plans now?
      I believe adsense cares about the backlinks. In order to be on adsense, you must also comply with web master policies. So if the links are not good, i think that will break the rules. At least, that is my opinion.
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  • Profile picture of the author markowe
    Hmm, P.S. $150 a day is a lot from one site. For a typical site with, say 8-10% CTR and $0.50-0.80 clicks we're talking 40-50,000 targeted visitors per month, 1500 a day (very ball-park figures) - pretty good going. Unless you had an abnormally high CTR of course...
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    • Profile picture of the author That Guy
      Originally Posted by markowe View Post

      Hmm, P.S. $150 a day is a lot from one site. For a typical site with, say 8-10% CTR and $0.50-0.80 clicks we're talking 40-50,000 targeted visitors per month, 1500 a day (very ball-park figures) - pretty good going. Unless you had an abnormally high CTR of course...
      So 8-10% CTR isn't an abnormally high? I always thought my 1.5- 2% CTR was out of this world.
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      • Profile picture of the author markowe
        Originally Posted by That Guy View Post

        So 8-10% CTR isn't an abnormally high? I always thought my 1.5- 2% CTR was out of this world.
        ha, well, we are not supposed to discuss our CTR, according to Adsense TOS, but I think if you are creating highly keyword-targetted sites primarily to monetise with Adsense (not to say MFA) then you ought to be looking at that ball-park because the ads are well-targetted. In fact with the right optimisation you can get much higher CTR but I don't like to risk it.

        If you have some general blog or something then sure, low single figures are to be expected.
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  • Profile picture of the author idreesfarooq
    One thing I would say, if you are under the TOS radar of Google Adsense, there is no issue at all. There is something suspicious going on your site that makes your Adsense Account Banned. Share your site with us for a proper analysis.
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  • Profile picture of the author JamesGw
    It sounds like they think you were clicking your own links. I dunno man.
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  • Profile picture of the author johnben1444
    Sorry to hear about that, why don't you join other networks like YPN.
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  • Profile picture of the author Jeremy Banks
    Originally Posted by stelweb View Post

    I got this message - " poses a risk of invalid activity".
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    Either you were clicking on ads, you were paying people to click on ads, or your ads were displayed in a way that would encourage invalid click activity

    If your ads looked too much like the links on the page, or the ads were pop-ups etc you could get banned
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    • Profile picture of the author stelweb
      Originally Posted by Jeremy Banks View Post

      Either you were clicking on ads, you were paying people to click on ads, or your ads were displayed in a way that would encourage invalid click activity

      If your ads looked too much like the links on the page, or the ads were pop-ups etc you could get banned
      from the research i have done in the past few hours, invalid click activity and invalid activity are very different.
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  • Profile picture of the author moneyten
    Sorry to hear that man. Adsense income doesnt seem to be a long term strategy.
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  • Profile picture of the author webn
    Sorry to hear.
    I think I need to memorize Google TOS first then
    I will go to make adsense sites.
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  • Profile picture of the author mesmerist
    Originally Posted by stelweb View Post

    If anyone has experience with this, please help. Thank you so much in advance.
    How can the people here help if they can't review your site? Certainly we need to see the site to see the many factors before we can give you some opinion or analysis.
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  • Profile picture of the author ApocalypseXL
    150 USD/day ? Wow then something was really rotten in your website for the to shut it down . Let me guess .... you bought traffic .
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  • Profile picture of the author cooler1
    Could you have got click bombed? Most people here seem to say its your fault, but plenty of people have been victims to click bombing.

    There was an Adsense scam here on the WF about 9 months ago. Someone setup a service which was supposed to send targetted traffic to your site to increase adsense revenue, but they were sending invalid clicks.

    All they needed was the website URL to send this traffic. So even if you follow the adsense tos 100% there is nothing stopping someone sending dodgy traffic to your adsense site.
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  • Profile picture of the author timpears
    Sorry to hear of your trouble. Hope you didn't have all your eggs in the one basket, and can recover. If you plan to do this again, you need to find out what you did that was wrong or against the TOS. They don't shut you down for nothing, but many times we don't understand the TOS well enough to know what we were doing was wrong.

    Good luck.
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    • Profile picture of the author paulgl
      Originally Posted by timpears View Post

      Sorry to hear of your trouble. Hope you didn't have all your eggs in the one basket, and can recover. If you plan to do this again, you need to find out what you did that was wrong or against the TOS. They don't shut you down for nothing, but many times we don't understand the TOS well enough to know what we were doing was wrong.

      Good luck.
      Ahhhhhhhhhh Tim. You are such a nice guy. No reason though, to tell him
      try again. If only it were that easy.

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      • Profile picture of the author stelweb
        Originally Posted by paulgl View Post

        Ahhhhhhhhhh Tim. You are such a nice guy. No reason though, to tell him
        try again. If only it were that easy.

        Paul
        yeah. It is pretty demoralizing to get so close to a good revenue with one authority site and then lose everything. But i have no other choice. I will again make an authority site with good content [ just like the last time ] but this time, there will no manually built comment links. Just merit-based links, natural links and a few directory links. I hope Google will be okay with the free directory links.
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        • Profile picture of the author RayW
          Originally Posted by stelweb View Post

          yeah. It is pretty demoralizing to get so close to a good revenue with one authority site and then lose everything. But i have no other choice. I will again make an authority site with good content [ just like the last time ] but this time, there will no manually built comment links. Just merit-based links, natural links and a few directory links. I hope Google will be okay with the free directory links.
          Why not just monetize with something other than adsense?...
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          • Profile picture of the author stelweb
            Originally Posted by raxr View Post

            Why not just monetize with something other than adsense?...
            I have already started doing that but it is only bringing in about 25 percent of what i made before. Plus since i am using Infolinks, i am really not comfortable with that. Having ads all over content i believe is not okay with the web master policies and i am real afraid this will cause my rankings to plummet. I wish there was some other network that had as many advertisers as adsense. And i need a contextual one.
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            • Profile picture of the author RayW
              Originally Posted by stelweb View Post

              I have already started doing that but it is only bringing in about 25 percent of what i made before. Plus since i am using Infolinks, i am really not comfortable with that. Having ads all over content i believe is not okay with the web master policies and i am real afraid this will cause my rankings to plummet. I wish there was some other network that had as many advertisers as adsense. And i need a contextual one.
              Try Adbrite for contextual ads. Also, put some clickbank affiliate links, cpa offers, and maybe something from commission junction.
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            • Profile picture of the author StoneWilson
              Originally Posted by stelweb View Post

              I have already started doing that but it is only bringing in about 25 percent of what i made before. Plus since i am using Infolinks, i am really not comfortable with that. Having ads all over content i believe is not okay with the web master policies and i am real afraid this will cause my rankings to plummet. I wish there was some other network that had as many advertisers as adsense. And i need a contextual one.
              Adbrite might be a good choice, but you need to set up it appropriately first.
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          • Profile picture of the author blueorca17
            Originally Posted by raxr View Post

            Why not just monetize with something other than adsense?...
            I totally second this, dude. CPA pays a lot more than Adsense the majority of the time, and if you're with a good network, you're less likely to be banned by them and have long term success with the network and advertisers this way. Go for signups or 1st page submit leads though. Not email submits. Find other ways to monetize. If you know your niche well enough, you should be able to find something without too much difficulty. EVERY niche has some sort of CPA offer or way that it can be monetized. You just have to be smart and do your research. Don't be lazy. Try to find a targeted offer related to what your website is about on Odigger.com or Offervault.com, and start testing!

            BTW, it was your backlink strategy that got you banned. Don't do profile and spammy comment links anymore.
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            • Profile picture of the author RayW
              Originally Posted by blueorca17 View Post

              BTW, it was your backlink strategy that got you banned. Don't do profile and spammy comment links anymore.
              Ah so I could ban any website I wanted by blasting it with spammy links? Cool...
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            • Profile picture of the author bhuff85
              Originally Posted by blueorca17 View Post

              I totally second this, dude. CPA pays a lot more than Adsense the majority of the time, and if you're with a good network, you're less likely to be banned by them and have long term success with the network and advertisers this way. Go for signups or 1st page submit leads though. Not email submits. Find other ways to monetize. If you know your niche well enough, you should be able to find something without too much difficulty. EVERY niche has some sort of CPA offer or way that it can be monetized. You just have to be smart and do your research. Don't be lazy. Try to find a targeted offer related to what your website is about on Odigger.com or Offervault.com, and start testing!

              BTW, it was your backlink strategy that got you banned. Don't do profile and spammy comment links anymore.
              While CPA is nice and can you you a great income as well, there are some niches that don't have the greatest CPA offers available (if at all). Adsense helps bridge the gap and help you monetize things that would otherwise be tough to squeeze any money out of.

              One of my particular niches I'm in right now is VERY lucrative via Adsense. CPA wouldn't work for it nor would it convert (have already tested it and had incredibly low success when compared to Adsense).

              Does CPA work and can it make you big money? You bet. So can Clickbank, Amazon, Adsense and any other monetization method. Different monetization methods work with different niches, but I will have to say that Adsense definitely presents you with more possibilities (that always won't equate to better earnings, though).
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                i want to know the answer as well, maybe some copyright issues ?
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              • Profile picture of the author blueorca17
                Originally Posted by bhuff85 View Post

                While CPA is nice and can you you a great income as well, there are some niches that don't have the greatest CPA offers available (if at all). Adsense helps bridge the gap and help you monetize things that would otherwise be tough to squeeze any money out of.

                One of my particular niches I'm in right now is VERY lucrative via Adsense. CPA wouldn't work for it nor would it convert (have already tested it and had incredibly low success when compared to Adsense).

                Does CPA work and can it make you big money? You bet. So can Clickbank, Amazon, Adsense and any other monetization method. Different monetization methods work with different niches, but I will have to say that Adsense definitely presents you with more possibilities (that always won't equate to better earnings, though).
                Well I didn't mean to say that you should just stick with CPA. Maybe I didn't make that clear. My point was is that there is some kind of product somewhere- no matter what the niche- that you can promote and make money if you are willing to test stuff- BESIDES adsense. Why use adsense and send people to offers/products on OTHER websites, when you can promote THAT offer on your OWN site, and get a bigger commission than adsense would give you? It's kind of a no brainer to me. Say, for example, you have a site about worker's comp insurance. You have a whole bunch of adsense blocks that get you $10-$30 per click on (I'm just making up numbers here, I'm not exactly sure if worker's comp is that high), and say you get 5 clicks..... So you get max $150 if all 5 convert (not likely). But some affiliate network somewhere pays $50-$100 per LEAD on the SAME SITE that the adsense ad pointed to. If all 5 leads converted you could make up to $500 instead. Wouldn't you go for the CPA offer instead? I know I would. A lot of affiliate networks are cool too. Some of the AM's bend over backwards to help you meet your goals, or even try to bring in an advertiser that is not even ON their network if you think that you can get them conversions. Adsense doesn't even compare to that.... I guess it just depends on your skill level as a salesperson/marketer as to whether or not you 'd be good at converting CPA. Adsense is kinda for lazy people. lol I think sales is more fun, personally. It's more challenging, and definitely more rewarding financially if you know what you're doing.
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                • Profile picture of the author IM Ash
                  Originally Posted by blueorca17 View Post

                  ....So you get max $150 if all 5 convert (not likely)....
                  You are comparing two monetization methods and arguing in favour of one method (CPA) when you clearly do not understand how the other method (Adsense) works. :rolleyes:
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  • Profile picture of the author RayW
    Just apply to another ad network (Adbrite, Clicksor, etc). There aren't any that are as good as adsense, but at least you'll be making some money.
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    • Profile picture of the author atomasini
      As bad as losing an Adsense account is, it's not the end of the world. It would be much worse to be removed from the SERPs.

      If you have the traffic, you can try other similar programs, CPA, list building, etc.
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  • Profile picture of the author 36burrows
    Well I'm sorry to hear that man, I would try to appeal you never know if you make a good case and be respectful.

    Otherwise, start putting up affiliate links and CPA offers to replace the lost income.

    Good luck!
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  • Profile picture of the author LiftMyRank
    Your problem is you were taking away $150 per day from google without returning them $300, if they were making money from you they would have kept you, however their algorithm/human cubicle monkey determined you were costing them money.
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    • Profile picture of the author theverysmartguy
      Originally Posted by John Moore View Post

      Your problem is you were taking away $150 per day from google without returning them $300, if they were making money from you they would have kept you, however their algorithm/human cubicle monkey determined you were costing them money.
      You do realize that Google made $2.34 billion in the first Q2011 from Adsense alone right? So saying that the site owner was NOT making them any money is pretty off base.

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      • Profile picture of the author outwest
        Originally Posted by theverysmartguy View Post

        You do realize that Google made $2.34 billion in the first Q2011 from Adsense alone right? So saying that the site owner was NOT making them any money is pretty off base.

        -- Jeff
        Umm I kind of think google makes determinations on a webmaster by webmaster basis. They know if each webmaster is making or losing money for Google,

        not on the fact they made 10 billion last year.........so all those Adsense guys are making us money, lets keep all of them
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  • Profile picture of the author owenlee
    They would review where the traffic is coming to your sites..so it would be good if you could explain and find out the source of the traffic that you think pose a threat to you..show them the proof and say sorry and would report them earlier in future..if you not sure what goes wrong then it would be tough for you to appeal...
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  • Profile picture of the author stelweb
    guys, i do not know why you are coming to conclusions like buying traffic, clicking my own ads. I have been with adsense for 2.5 years and i am not dumb. Do you think i do not even know that one should not click their ads?

    As for specifics, i really cannot give out my URL. It was one authority site and took me 20 months to develop. Good content [ i was not buying " unique content "; i paid my writer 6 cents per word and the articles were worth it. Of course, 6 cents is not too much but it is so much better than what the MFA guys do ] ; links were comment links; As for the theme,it was not an adsense theme but the theme was not really attractive. It was basic and i had no logo. I was holding off in changing the theme just because i was afraid that changing the web site theme might disturb the rankings. Can you believe that? But that is who i am .

    I swear that,

    1. I never dreamed of buying traffic,
    2. I never will ever dream of clicking my own adsense ads,
    3. I was not asking people to click my ads.
    4. Traffic was 5 percent direct and most of rest is search.

    Plus i see noone has answered my question. If anyone has experience with manual review and what message they send out if it fails, it will real helpful. Thanks a lot in advance.
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    • Profile picture of the author Joseph Then
      Originally Posted by stelweb View Post

      guys, i do not know why you are coming to conclusions like buying traffic, clicking my own ads. I have been with adsense for 2.5 years and i am not dumb. Do you think i do not even know that one should not click their ads?

      As for specifics, i really cannot give out my URL. It was one authority site and took me 20 months to develop. Good content [ i was not buying " unique content "; i paid my writer 6 cents per word and the articles were worth it. Of course, 6 cents is not too much but it is so much better than what the MFA guys do ] ; links were comment links; As for the theme,it was not an adsense theme but the theme was not really attractive. It was basic and i had no logo. I was holding off in changing the theme just because i was afraid that changing the web site theme might disturb the rankings. Can you believe that? But that is who i am .

      I swear that,

      1. I never dreamed of buying traffic,
      2. I never will ever dream of clicking my own adsense ads,
      3. I was not asking people to click my ads.
      4. Traffic was 5 percent direct and most of rest is search.

      Plus i see noone has answered my question. If anyone has experience with manual review and what message they send out if it fails, it will real helpful. Thanks a lot in advance.
      Something must have happen which you have missed out in the TOS, and Google caught that.

      Before you ask Google for clarifications, it's better to find out (or guess) exactly what is it that went wrong.

      Have you check the following Adsense links:
      https://www.google.com/adsense/suppo...y?answer=48182
      https://www.google.com/adsense/terms

      And to make it easier for you, someone summarizes them:
      Google AdSense Terms of Service Summary at WikiSummaries, free book summaries

      I have met and talked to Google Adsense people about banning of accounts. They will NEVER, EVER like to close people's account unless you break the TOS.

      So, check your website against the TOS.

      Or, if you want, PM me and I will check your site (If you trust me).
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      • Profile picture of the author stelweb
        I am really interested in sending you the URL but i do not have 50 posts. Is there any other way to do that?

        And i have clearly mentioned i have comment links and i believe that breaks the TOS. Isn't that right, Joseph? Really happy about getting help from an experienced member. Thanks.
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        • Profile picture of the author Oranges
          Originally Posted by stelweb View Post

          I am really interested in sending you the URL but i do not have 50 posts. Is there any other way to do that?

          And i have clearly mentioned i have comment links and i believe that breaks the TOS. Isn't that right, Joseph? Really happy about getting help from an experienced member. Thanks.
          You really think you can rank a website without building backlinks (Be it comment links, profiles, blogposts, Home page links, Blogroll, PR release, Web 2.0 pages, Article directories, social bookmarks etc etc etc...) to it these days :rolleyes: (I'm referring competitive niches and keywords)? Make a new website (with all Google Adsnese And Webmaster TOS in mind and by following all the rules and blah blah!) and just keep it as it is, and wait for backlinks to come naturally (As google says backlinks should come naturally). That will never happen, because webmasters who link back to your websites, can do that, only when they can find those websites on top serps LOL. And without backlinks you can not rank a website, forget about waiting for people to find you naturally and link to your SUPER DUPER HIGH QUALITY CONTENT WEBSITE.

          Unfortunately, theoritically it sounds good to not to create backlinks, because you'll get banned, BUT DO WE HAVE ANY OTHER OPTION, CHOICE OR ALTERNATIVE?

          Reason For Ban: May be your clicks and visitors were not converting for those advertisers. In that case they mention something similar to "While going through our records recently, we found that your AdSense account has posed a significant risk to our AdWords advertisers.Since keeping your account in our publisher network may financially damage our advertisers in the future, we've decided to disable your account."

          SUGGESTION: Forget adsense, and move on to affiliate marketing and CPA.
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          • Profile picture of the author stelweb
            Originally Posted by Oranges View Post

            You really think you can rank a website without building backlinks to it these days :rolleyes: (I'm referring competitive niches and keywords)? Make a new website (with all Google Adsnese And Webmaster TOS in mind and by following all the rules and blah blah!) and just keep it as it is, and wait for backlinks to come naturally (As google says backlinks should come naturally). That will never happen, because webmasters who link back to your websites, can do that, only when they can find those websites on top serps LOL. And without backlinks you can not rank a website, forget about waiting for people to find you naturally and link to your SUPER DUPER HIGH QUALITY CONTENT WEBSITE.

            Unfortunately, theoritically it sounds good to not to create backlinks, because you'll get banned, BUT DO WE HAVE ANY OTHER OPTION, CHOICE OR ALTERNATIVE?

            SUGGESTION: Forget adsense, and move on to affiliate marketing and CPA.
            Yeah i know. Maybe you are right.
            Adsense+crap links=road to depression
            affiliate+crap links=not really "road to depression"

            But still, since i am investing thousands into getting professional content [ not articles written by pro writers but pros in the niche ], i think i will also think of investing thousands in to getting merit based links. There are a few SEO companies out there who do that. It is costly but worth it.They help get merit based links.

            I am very sure my clicks are converting. My competitors still have adsense and that means i would get conversions too because i get traffic from the same kw phrases they get. At least the ones that make money. Besides, i got the " poses a risk of invalid activity " , not the other ones.
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            • Profile picture of the author Oranges
              Originally Posted by stelweb View Post

              Yeah i know. Maybe you are right.
              Adsense+crap links=road to depression
              affiliate+crap links=not really "road to depression"

              But still, since i am investing thousands into getting professional content [ not articles written by pro writers but pros in the niche ], i think i will also think of investing thousands in to getting merit based links. There are a few SEO companies out there who do that. It is costly but worth it.They help get merit based links.
              ...and what are those merit based links that those so called "SEO" companies provides? Layered links? 2-3 Tiered links? Links from private blog networks? Links from sites like BMR, UAW, SEOLinkVine? Paid links and blogposts by buying them from individual webmasters? Guest posts? They are all not allowed according to Google's webmaster policies. There is no end to it, you gotta be dodgy to move fast, else waiting for natural links to come and boost you is a waste of time and efforts.
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              • Profile picture of the author stelweb
                Originally Posted by Oranges View Post

                ...and what are those merit based links that those so called "SEO" companies provides? Layered links? 2-3 tires links? Links from private blog networks? Links from sites like BMR, UAW, SEOLinkVine? Paid links and blogposts by buying them from individual webmasters? Guest posts? They are all not allowed according to Google's webmaster policies. There is no end to it, you gotta be dodgy to move fast, else waiting for natural links to come and boost you is a waste of time and efforts.
                No Oranges, you are wrong. I am talking about links that are obtained when a company shoots an e-mail out to some web site and lets them know about some site. This usually gets a link [ if the content is fantastic , not the typical so-called " unique content "] from the " Resources page " where the co-citation is real good. A high quality co-citation would mean excellent rankings down the line. Since no money exchanged but just an e-mail sent out, G will not have a problem with that.
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                • Profile picture of the author Oranges
                  Originally Posted by stelweb View Post

                  No Oranges, you are wrong. I am talking about links that are obtained when a company shoots an e-mail out to some web site and lets them know about some site. This usually gets a link [ if the content is fantastic , not the typical so-called " unique content "] from the " Resources page " where the co-citation is real good. A high quality co-citation would mean excellent rankings down the line. Since no money exchanged but just an e-mail sent out, G will not have a problem with that.
                  Good! if you have that much time for it.:rolleyes:
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                  • Profile picture of the author stelweb
                    Originally Posted by Oranges View Post

                    Good! if you have that much time for it.:rolleyes:
                    you mean money, right?

                    Oh and i wanted to add that this is not for the newbies. When you are just starting out, do not try to invest too much without knowing what you are doing. If you have a concrete plan, aware of a niche that is sure to make you at least 5k per month, go for complete whitehat seo [ i mean the link building method i had mentioned earlier ]. That would build a strong foundation and a site that will be hard to get penalized by anybody out there. Otherwise you are better off using whatever " seo " you think work out for you. Just my 2 cents.
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                    • Profile picture of the author Oranges
                      Originally Posted by stelweb View Post

                      you mean money, right?
                      Both! Shooting emails....waiting for their replies, will they link back or not? This and that....clock is ticking! Ask yourself, can you wait that long in a competitive niche these days?

                      On a personal note - Consider yourself unlucky with your adsense ban case and move on. There's boatload of money to be made with affiliate marketing and CPA and you're not gonna get manually reviewed and banned for backlinks each time. Bah! There are millions of websites out there, fighting with each other.

                      Avoid Google analytics and webmaster tools as well. Its like giving them your A** served on a silver platter to be raped happily.

                      I'm done! Good luck!
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                      • Profile picture of the author stelweb
                        Originally Posted by Oranges View Post

                        Both! Shooting emails....waiting for their replies, will they link back or not? This and that....clock is ticking! Ask yourself, can you wait that long in a competitive niche these days?
                        like i said, the site must have great potential. Otherwise, it is not worth it. My aim is to built a 100k per month network. I definitely can wait a few more years or even half a decade. My very first 5k dollar site has lost its strength. But i will definitely find ideas for 20 more sites that can be monetized using affiliate networks/ private advertising [ i do not think i will go for adsense again ].

                        I have been demoralized but really hope within the next year, i build significant income. At least the first site has made me some money. still disappointed.
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                        • Profile picture of the author mesmerist
                          Originally Posted by stelweb View Post

                          like i said, the site must have great potential. Otherwise, it is not worth it. My aim is to built a 100k per month network. I definitely can wait a few more years or even half a decade. My very first 5k dollar site has lost its strength. But i will definitely find ideas for 20 more sites that can be monetized using affiliate networks/ private advertising [ i do not think i will go for adsense again ].

                          I have been demoralized but really hope within the next year, i build significant income. At least the first site has made me some money. still disappointed.
                          What Oranges said does make some sense. Even though you have a site with great potential, you can't be too slow waiting for natural or merit based links. There are pages created everyday in your niche and if you are too slow, others will always be ahead of you. After a few years building those links, those above you have many times the links that you built, and you will always be pushed below.

                          Also, since you said you're not using adsense anymore, why worry about crappy links?
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                          • Profile picture of the author stelweb
                            Originally Posted by mesmerist View Post

                            What Oranges said does make some sense. Even though you have a site with great potential, you can't be too slow waiting for natural or merit based links. There are pages created everyday in your niche and if you are too slow, others will always be ahead of you. After a few years building those links, those above you have many times the links that you built, and you will always be pushed below.

                            Also, since you said you're not using adsense anymore, why worry about crappy links?
                            Yeah, you are right about why worry about crappy links. But since i am building a high quality site with content from professionals, it is costing me a lot. If i build spam links, there is no guarantee it will keep on making me money money consistently. But if i focus on both quality content and quality links. I can rest assured that my 100k per month network will make me moola for a very long time.
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                      • Profile picture of the author stelweb
                        Originally Posted by Oranges View Post

                        Both! Shooting emails....waiting for their replies, will they link back or not? This and that....clock is ticking! Ask yourself, can you wait that long in a competitive niche these days?

                        On a personal note - Consider yourself unlucky with your adsense ban case and move on. There's boatload of money to be made with affiliate marketing and CPA and you're not gonna get manually reviewed and banned for backlinks each time. Bah! There are millions of websites out there, fighting with each other.

                        Avoid Google analytics and webmaster tools as well. Its like giving them your A** served on a silver platter to be raped happily.

                        I'm done! Good luck!
                        yes oranges, you are right. I wasted my time with adsense. If i had started an affiliate site, i would at least have a growing 5k dollar site. I will have to start over on a completely new ground [ affiliate ] now and shift my business strategies. I had a concrete plan laid out for 100k per month network with adsense and i was almost 100 percent sure of my success in at least 4 years. Its all messed up now.
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                        • Profile picture of the author mesmerist
                          Originally Posted by stelweb View Post

                          yes oranges, you are right. I wasted my time with adsense. If i had started an affiliate site, i would at least have a growing 5k dollar site. I will have to start over on a completely new ground [ affiliate ] now and shift my business strategies. I had a concrete plan laid out for 100k per month network with adsense and i was almost 100 percent sure of my success in at least 4 years. Its all messed up now.
                          Hey, just a suggestion, since your 'concrete plan for 100k per month network with adsense' is no longer of use to you. Why not sell it as a WSO or even better share with us for free At least it won't go to waste right? Just a thought
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                          • Profile picture of the author stelweb
                            Originally Posted by mesmerist View Post

                            Hey, just a suggestion, since your 'concrete plan for 100k per month network with adsense' is no longer of use to you. Why not sell it as a WSO or even better share with us for free At least it won't go to waste right? Just a thought
                            yeah but i am not really a " sell e-book " guy but rather the "build-authority-site" guy. But maybe within the end of next year, if i get back on my feet, i will make a thread here on warrior forum and help people out for free. I really do not mind that.
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                            • Profile picture of the author mesmerist
                              Originally Posted by stelweb View Post

                              yeah but i am not really a " sell e-book " guy but rather the "build-authority-site" guy. But maybe within the end of next year, if i get back on my feet, i will make a thread here on warrior forum and help people out for free. I really do not mind that.
                              That's understandable. What happened to you is really depressing considering all the efforts you made to get to where you are, and naturally the only priority right now would be to get back on your feet. Oh well, nothing can be done, you just have to move on. All the best to your future projects man!
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                      • Profile picture of the author cagliostro
                        Originally Posted by Oranges View Post


                        Avoid Google analytics and webmaster tools as well. Its like giving them your A** served on a silver platter to be raped happily.
                        Actually this is not good advise. Using Analytics DECLARES that you have nothing to hide. Not to mention the SUPER stats and Adsense Stats that gives you.
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                • Profile picture of the author Peter Lee
                  How are you getting your traffic. If Google feels it is unnatural they may get suspicious. Like traffic from traffic exchange.
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          • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
            Originally Posted by Oranges View Post

            Unfortunately, theoritically it sounds good to not to create backlinks, because you'll get banned, BUT DO WE HAVE ANY OTHER OPTION, CHOICE OR ALTERNATIVE?.
            You will soon but then you might not want to do the work involved.
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        • Profile picture of the author Joseph Then
          Originally Posted by stelweb View Post

          I am really interested in sending you the URL but i do not have 50 posts. Is there any other way to do that?

          And i have clearly mentioned i have comment links and i believe that breaks the TOS. Isn't that right, Joseph? Really happy about getting help from an experienced member. Thanks.
          I forgot that you cannot PM me. Email me here: info at nkthen.com
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          • Profile picture of the author stelweb
            Originally Posted by Joseph Then View Post

            I forgot that you cannot PM me. Email me here: info at nkthen.com
            just sent you an e-mail
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            • Profile picture of the author Joseph Then
              Originally Posted by dagaul101 View Post

              It's always unfortunate, they are no guidelines as to what type of sites they deem to pose a risk of invalid activit so we never know, the best you can do is appeal and see how it goes
              There are guidelines, the thing is that at the point of signing up you are presented with the FULL TOS.

              The problem is people don't read.

              Originally Posted by Oranges View Post

              On a personal note - Consider yourself unlucky with your adsense ban case and move on. There's boatload of money to be made with affiliate marketing and CPA and you're not gonna get manually reviewed and banned for backlinks each time. Bah! There are millions of websites out there, fighting with each other.

              Avoid Google analytics and webmaster tools as well. Its like giving them your A** served on a silver platter to be raped happily.

              I'm done! Good luck!
              You can make as much money as you can from Adsense, compared to CPA or affiliate.

              And, if you don't put your website on Google analytics or webmaster tool, it is more likely that Google will check on you and BAN you. So bad advice from Oranges
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              • Profile picture of the author Oranges
                Originally Posted by Joseph Then View Post

                There are guidelines, the thing is that at the point of signing up you are presented with the FULL TOS.

                The problem is people don't read.


                You can make as much money as you can from Adsense, compared to CPA or affiliate.

                And, if you don't put your website on Google analytics or webmaster tool, it is more likely that Google will check on you and BAN you. So bad advice from Oranges
                If your website is flagged in their system for abuse, spam, unethical link building, they are anyway going to review it, regardless of whether your website have anaylics and added on webmaster tools or not. But at the time of review Google will have more detailed information about the website's backlinks, bounce rate, TOS violation etc. etc... and the chances are more to get hammered, with all the relevant information about your website served right on their plate.

                I have seen people getting all their sites (Same Google Webmaster & Analytics Or Adsense) de-indexed with a bang overnight, because of few websites that were against Google's webmaster policies and others received the ban hammer too!

                But, again its just an assumption and i do what i believe. People are entitled to their own opinions.
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              • Profile picture of the author bhuff85
                Originally Posted by Joseph Then View Post

                And, if you don't put your website on Google analytics or webmaster tool, it is more likely that Google will check on you and BAN you. So bad advice from Oranges
                Google isn't going to ban you for not using Analytics or Webmaster Tools.

                If there was a requirement via Adsense that you absolutely had to have your sites there, then that would be understandable. These free tools; however, are completely optional, so that's somewhat bad advice as well IMO.
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                • Profile picture of the author Joseph Then
                  Originally Posted by Oranges View Post

                  But, again its just an assumption and i do what i believe. People are entitled to their own opinions.
                  For you it's an assumption, for me it's straight from the mouth of people from Google Adsense. Your previous advice about backlinking will cause your website be banned from Adsense is wrong. If there is a spamming of backlinks, Google will just ignore those links.

                  Differentiate Adsense and SEO pal.

                  Originally Posted by bhuff85 View Post

                  Google isn't going to ban you for not using Analytics or Webmaster Tools.

                  If there was a requirement via Adsense that you absolutely had to have your sites there, then that would be understandable. These free tools; however, are completely optional, so that's somewhat bad advice as well IMO.
                  What I am saying is that if you are doing something sneaky, you don't want to be in Analytics or Webmaster. If you are open in your ways of building website, you shouldn't be afraid of such tools.
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                  • Profile picture of the author Carl Brown
                    From the information you provided, it looks more like an ad placement/layout problem that may have caused visitors to unknowingly click on ads.
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                  • Profile picture of the author Oranges
                    Originally Posted by Joseph Then View Post

                    For you it's an assumption, for me it's straight from the mouth of people from Google Adsense. Your previous advice about backlinking will cause your website be banned from Adsense is wrong. If there is a spamming of backlinks, Google will just ignore those links.

                    Differentiate Adsense and SEO pal.
                    Where and when did i say that adsense will be banned for building backlinks?:confused:
                    OP said that. LOL i'm not the OP.
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  • Profile picture of the author mesmerist
    May I know what makes you think the 'manually built comment links' is probably the problem? I'm interested to know because I have a lot of those kind of backlinks
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    • Profile picture of the author stelweb
      Originally Posted by mesmerist View Post

      May I know what makes you think the 'manually built comment links' is probably the problem? I'm interested to know because I have a lot of those kind of backlinks
      i clearly mentioned the reason above, mesmerist. In order to be on adsense, you also have to comply with the webmaster policies. It is clearly stated on adsense site. But if you are a small fish, there will be no problem. When it is time for growing to become a bigger fish, there are chances one will get the boot.
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  • Profile picture of the author mesmerist
    I didn't know blog commenting links break the TOS, I must have missed that part and I've used blog commenting for backlinks! Glad I read this thread!
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    • Profile picture of the author stelweb
      Originally Posted by mesmerist View Post

      I didn't know blog commenting links break the TOS, I must have missed that part and I've used blog commenting for backlinks! Glad I read this thread!
      I am glad this is helping someone out there.

      But remember these things:

      1. If you do not hit the big time with adsense, you have no problems,
      2. If you are a small fish making a couple thousand [ like 1000 to 2000 ], i believe you will not get the boot,
      3. If you do reach the big time, first of all, have a good design with a pro logo. Even if your links are crap, a good design gives a very good impression to the manual reviewer
      4. But a good design is no guarantee that your account will not get the boot. If the links are manual comment links, there are high chances it is time to say bye to adsense,
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      • Profile picture of the author mesmerist
        Originally Posted by stelweb View Post

        I am glad this is helping someone out there.

        But remember these things:

        1. If you do not hit the big time with adsense, you have no problems,
        2. If you are a small fish making a couple thousand [ like 1000 to 2000 ], i believe you will not get the boot,
        3. If you do reach the big time, first of all, have a good design with a pro logo. Even if your links are crap, a good design gives a very good impression to the manual reviewer
        4. But a good design is no guarantee that your account will get the boot. If the links are manual comment links, there are high chances it is time to say bye to adsense.
        Those are very helpful tips. Thanks stelweb!
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      • Profile picture of the author bhuff85
        Originally Posted by stelweb View Post

        But remember these things:

        1. If you do not hit the big time with adsense, you have no problems,
        2. If you are a small fish making a couple thousand [ like 1000 to 2000 ], i believe you will not get the boot,
        3. If you do reach the big time, first of all, have a good design with a pro logo. Even if your links are crap, a good design gives a very good impression to the manual reviewer
        4. But a good design is no guarantee that your account will not get the boot. If the links are manual comment links, there are high chances it is time to say bye to adsense,
        I can definitely say the 1st two things you mentioned have ZERO to do with getting banned. If you're pulling in significant revenue and converting targeted traffic to the relevant ads you have on your site, why would Google give you the boot?

        Remember - you're making Google money, too! The more revenue you pull in, the more they make as well. Sure, they have to pay you a cut of the revenue, but even then they are making more than they would if your site didn't have any ads on it and wasn't pulling in revenue at all.

        To give the advice that people are going to get banned for "earning too much" with Adsense is a joke. There are TONS of advertisers who earn thousands per month with no issues. Did they get banned by this "inevitable earning threshold of doom"? Don't think so. Just poor advice right there.

        I can agree that a good design is always good for a website. I can also agree that certain links may get you in trouble, too. What it boils down to is common sense. When you build targeted websites with great content that serve relevant ads for your visitors, two things happen:

        Great content + relevant ads = Easy money (properly optimized content triggers relevant ads)

        Relevant ads + targeted visitors = Higher CTR and better conversion rates for advertisers

        STOP focusing on the clicks and START focusing on delivering a better user experience. Once you do that, the clicks will naturally follow. Trust me on this one. People spend more time on my sites, yet my earnings are still increasing each and every month. From my own experience, I attribute that to good content that people WANT to read, which is serving them relevant ads on various pages, ultimately getting them to where they need to go. The earnings will follow.

        Try to think outside of the box and ask yourself if you were searching for a particular keyword and came across that site, would you gain any value from it?

        Nothing irks me more than when I do a personal search and I'm stuck with a page full of results that are nothing more than 1-page Adsense sites with piss poor, unreadable content and ads all over the page in the WORST places possible. Now, if I come across a clean site that is put together well and has ads neatly blended with great content to match, which site do you think I will end up on for the longest (and may even click on an ad if it is relevant to my search and end-goal)?

        Some folks make it more difficult than it needs to be. Just build your sites how you'd expect to see them when you were looking for something particular, and I think you'll notice the outcome will be a lot better than just slapping up sites and seeing what sticks.
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  • Profile picture of the author dagaul101
    It's always unfortunate, they are no guidelines as to what type of sites they deem to pose a risk of invalid activit so we never know, the best you can do is appeal and see how it goes
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  • Google send this massage when they found invalid click on the ads . DO you clicked on your ads more than 3 times ?
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    • Profile picture of the author markowe
      Originally Posted by liveindiantvchannels View Post

      Google send this massage when they found invalid click on the ads . DO you clicked on your ads more than 3 times ?
      Yawn... Expert, are we?
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      • Profile picture of the author BlakeM
        Originally Posted by markowe View Post

        Yawn... Expert, are we?
        Ya it seems there are a LOT of those hanging around here these days
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  • Profile picture of the author Joseph Then
    And to inform all of you, the real reason for the thread starter's site being banned has nothing to do with any of your guessing.

    It's not invalid clicks, not backlinks, not placement, not a single breaking of TOS. It's 100% compliance. I've check his website personally and it's a very good website.

    I'll leave him to tell you why, and it's an obvious reason.
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    • Profile picture of the author IM Ash
      Originally Posted by Joseph Then View Post

      And to inform all of you, the real reason for the thread starter's site being banned has nothing to do with any of your guessing.

      It's not invalid clicks, not backlinks, not placement, not a single breaking of TOS. It's 100% compliance. I've check his website personally and it's a very good website.

      I'll leave him to tell you why, and it's an obvious reason.
      The suspense is killing me Please do tell!
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    • Profile picture of the author Clyde
      Originally Posted by Joseph Then View Post

      And to inform all of you, the real reason for the thread starter's site being banned has nothing to do with any of your guessing.

      It's not invalid clicks, not backlinks, not placement, not a single breaking of TOS. It's 100% compliance. I've check his website personally and it's a very good website.

      I'll leave him to tell you why, and it's an obvious reason.
      Let me guess, he's from a 3rd world country and he just got click-bombed.

      Am I close? :p
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      • Profile picture of the author paulgl
        I don't believe that google makes these so-called manual reviews
        as much as people claim. They don't have a need. They don't
        have the time. They don't care. For every site they ban, there
        are Brazilians of sites waiting to take their places.

        Google does most things, 99.9999999999999999999% via a computer
        algo. If you appeal, it goes into the black hole. They don't care.

        Why would google take the time to do a manual review? No reason.
        They don't need to. Since they don't ban you manually, why would
        they review you manually?

        If you are a big customer, and I mean BIG customer, you are under
        different rules. Probably have a one-on-one relationship. Entirely
        different than Joe Shmo's wii-review-best-links.com site. And
        let's face it. No matter how we try and put lipstick on a pig, most
        of our sites are just that. Little ol' sites trying to make a buck. No
        matter how great we think we are.

        Google will get along just fine without us.

        And if you did get a manual review, what would be the reason other
        than just a double check to click the ban button? Exactly. They
        make it clear you DON'T get a do-over!

        Listen. I feel your pain. It's gotta suck big time. But you have to
        move on, and try and feel good about warning other people.

        Paul
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    • Profile picture of the author tycoon828
      Originally Posted by Joseph Then View Post

      And to inform all of you, the real reason for the thread starter's site being banned has nothing to do with any of your guessing.

      It's not invalid clicks, not backlinks, not placement, not a single breaking of TOS. It's 100% compliance. I've check his website personally and it's a very good website.

      I'll leave him to tell you why, and it's an obvious reason.


      I think if you tell us the reason, you can help more people.
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    • Profile picture of the author markowe
      Originally Posted by Joseph Then View Post

      And to inform all of you, the real reason for the thread starter's site being banned has nothing to do with any of your guessing.

      It's not invalid clicks, not backlinks, not placement, not a single breaking of TOS. It's 100% compliance. I've check his website personally and it's a very good website.

      I'll leave him to tell you why, and it's an obvious reason.
      Yep, the suspense is killing me...

      Spam comments on his site? Multiple accounts? No-no content (adult, pharma, weapons)? Hmm, but that would all be obvious breaking of the TOS.

      Dunno, give up. Very interested to hear, to make sure it's not something I am getting wrong!
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      • Profile picture of the author bhuff85
        Originally Posted by markowe View Post

        Yep, the suspense is killing me...

        Spam comments on his site? Multiple accounts? No-no content (adult, pharma, weapons)? Hmm, but that would all be obvious breaking of the TOS.

        Dunno, give up. Very interested to hear, to make sure it's not something I am getting wrong!
        The only other TOS breaker (that would be obvious) is the possibility that there wasn't a privacy policy listed anywhere on the site. BUT - that would be breaking the TOS, and Joseph states that it's 100% compliant, so that would disqualify that idea.
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        • Profile picture of the author markowe
          Originally Posted by bhuff85 View Post

          The only other TOS breaker (that would be obvious) is the possibility that there wasn't a privacy policy listed anywhere on the site. BUT - that would be breaking the TOS, and Joseph states that it's 100% compliant, so that would disquality that idea.
          Yeah, forgot that one. But on that subject, in the Adsense policy docs they frequently mention that problem sites will be sent some kind of warning to get into compliance. Surely it is in everybody's interest to give webmasters fair warning and a chance to correct what is perhaps an unintended oversight? Are they really outright banning people just for missing privacy policies (regardless of whether that was the problem in this case)?!
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        • Profile picture of the author Carl Brown
          Originally Posted by bhuff85 View Post

          The only other TOS breaker (that would be obvious) is the possibility that there wasn't a privacy policy listed anywhere on the site. BUT - that would be breaking the TOS, and Joseph states that it's 100% compliant, so that would disquality that idea.
          Well, since we can only speculate, it could be porn, drugs, weapons, etc. But all these things are in violation of TOS
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        • Profile picture of the author Nero Arcnumé
          Originally Posted by bhuff85 View Post

          The only other TOS breaker (that would be obvious) is the possibility that there wasn't a privacy policy listed anywhere on the site. BUT - that would be breaking the TOS, and Joseph states that it's 100% compliant, so that would disqualify that idea.
          Isn't there a tos rule that you must be the owner of the website property as well? Perhaps someone stole his pub id and ad slot id from his site, made a crappy site, click spammed the hell of out that and got him banned. OP's site still being 100% compliant yet still some form of "tos breaking" that might result in a ban if everything was automated without manual review (which he can't do anything about I guess).

          But I would hope it's not actually possible to get banned for that... Argh, I want to know the reason!

          In other light, I like that the OP is not giving up and plans on coming back stronger. Good luck
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          • Profile picture of the author bhuff85
            Originally Posted by Nero Arcnumé View Post

            Isn't there a tos rule that you must be the owner of the website property as well?
            No, as there are numerous websites that participate in rev sharing, thus requiring you to enter your Adsense pub-id to get your share of the pie. Places like Squidoo, Hubpages and Infobarrel are a couple that come to mind, but that doesn't even scratch the surface.
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  • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
    Stelweb what was your traffic like? I didn't see anywhere where you sated your rankings were affected of did you drive traffic some other way
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  • Profile picture of the author xxxJamesxxx
    Sorry to hear that man.

    The only thing I can think of is start promoting Amazon products instead.

    Everyone I've spoke who got banned said it was a blessing in disguise as they ended up making more money promoting Amazon products than they did having Adsense on their sites.

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  • Profile picture of the author TolyZ
    I got banned to for this BS. Had only two web sites: russiancities.net and roguevalleyads.com
    Ads were placed on the right sidebar ... Made $240 last month, got paid no problem, this month was $96 and they fking ban me ... wtf? Been with adsense for 6 months now got to find another network ...
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    • Profile picture of the author freddylan
      Toly z you mean that you ve got banned just for privacy policy with no warning ? apart that i see nothing wrong in your web pages ? did i miss something ?
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    • Profile picture of the author mkl3377
      Originally Posted by TolyZ View Post

      I got banned to for this BS. Had only two web sites: russiancities.net and roguevalleyads.com
      Ads were placed on the right sidebar ... Made $240 last month, got paid no problem, this month was $96 and they fking ban me ... wtf? Been with adsense for 6 months now got to find another network ...
      Tolyz,

      For the two sites you mentioned(unless you changed your site since the ban) there is no "privacy policy". This is clearly against Adsense TOS. You were not banned without reason. You might try to appeal after you put up your Privacy policy pages.
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  • Profile picture of the author TolyZ
    ^ exactly, that's why I hate google ... they just ban hammer you with no warnings.
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    • Profile picture of the author tycoon828
      Originally Posted by TolyZ View Post

      ^ exactly, that's why I hate google ... they just ban hammer you with no warnings.

      I think Google doesn't have that much energy to check everybody's website and warn you.

      That's why they give out their TOS and Program Policies. It takes you several hours most to read word by word.

      Many people just don't want to spend that time to read it. But result is that after spending several months of hard work, they finally get banned.
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  • Profile picture of the author Mikeys
    dont let it get you down. There are tons of ways to make money online other than adsense. Don't let it slow your progress. Take it as a learning lesson and get after the next task even harder!
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    Traffic source?
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  • Profile picture of the author Joseph Then
    OK, I think the OP is not coming back here so let me tell you exactly what happen and why.

    His website is 100% compliance with Adsense TOS. Definitely, it will fit any model of an authority website and anyone will be proud to own this site. Even Adsense will be proud to host their ads there.

    So what's the problem? Answer: He has a disabled Adsense account 3 years ago. The adsense that he is using now is a reapplied personal account. If he had used a business account he will not have this problem, I guess.
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    • Profile picture of the author mesmerist
      Originally Posted by Joseph Then View Post

      Answer: He has a disabled Adsense account 3 years ago. The adsense that he is using now is a reapplied personal account. If he had used a business account he will not have this problem, I guess.
      Joseph, can you explain further? What do you mean by disabled adsense account? Does that mean he got banned 3 years ago? And how was he able to reapply a personal account? This is interesting info. Thanks man!
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      • Profile picture of the author Jeremy123
        maybe he can get a business account now
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  • Profile picture of the author beakon
    I sure hope thats the reason Joseph, these kind of threads scare me.
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    • Profile picture of the author Joseph Then
      Originally Posted by mesmerist View Post

      Joseph, can you explain further? What do you mean by disabled adsense account? Does that mean he got banned 3 years ago? And how was he able to reapply a personal account? This is interesting info. Thanks man!
      Yes, he was banned 3 years ago and he thought that Google will not remember, so he start with a personal account.

      From what I understand, the only way is to start a business account, which helps a lot of people who have banned adsense account before. I never tried that but it's logical.

      Originally Posted by beakon View Post

      I sure hope thats the reason Joseph, these kind of threads scare me.
      You never have to be scared. Just follow the TOS and you will be fine.

      Too many people come to various Internet Marketing forums and start bitching about Google Adsense for being sneaky, not wanting to help people like us, etc. when the fact is that Google publishers are the ones breaking the rules.

      So far I have never seen anyone with their Adsense account banned by Google by mistake.
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      • Profile picture of the author Oranges
        Originally Posted by Joseph Then View Post

        So far I have never seen anyone with their Adsense account banned by Google by mistake.
        Ahem Ahem! :rolleyes:
        Source: A 3rd Party CAN Get You Banned From AdSense - Blogs - Digital Point Forums

        They disabled digitalpoint's account, because some third party moron used their adsense code on a casino or porn website. After appeals, they realized that he was innocent and in fact was using adsense's "allowed sites" feature and when you do that even if someone else use your codes on some other website and generates impressions or clicks, they simply won't count. So they shouldn't have banned him for that, and when they realized their mistake, they re-enabled him and APOLOGIZED for that as well.

        I understand and completely agree that 99.9% time they ban you for strong reasons or violation of their TOS, but it is also true that sometime they commit mistakes as well. No body is perfect, and their automated systems are included in that too!

        Just my $0.02
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      • Profile picture of the author scruffy77
        [QUOTE=Joseph Then;4555344]Yes, he was banned 3 years ago and he thought that Google will not remember, so he start with a personal account.
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        Damn I was sh*ting bricks from this thread, thanks for the clarification Joseph
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  • Profile picture of the author visimedia
    really sad story to hear your source of income get banned.
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  • Profile picture of the author TryBPO
    Good story...that was going to be my guess, Joseph. First guess was previously banned...second guess was going to be that the SITE was fine, but that he was using some kind of traffic-share and getting sketchy traffic.
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    • Profile picture of the author yurito
      Originally Posted by TryBPO View Post

      Good story...that was going to be my guess, Joseph. First guess was previously banned...second guess was going to be that the SITE was fine, but that he was using some kind of traffic-share and getting sketchy traffic.
      Mate, i saw the adsense flippers site.. if my adsense account is new, and i have very little traffic to a couple of sites.. would buying these already made sites that get traffic compromise my adsense account? in terms of traffic spike?

      Also, this traffic of the sites for sale get the visits from organic search engines/ keyword related? or traffic comes from backlinks/blog posts etc.. ?

      thnks
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    Should try to detect intrusions laws and conditions
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  • Profile picture of the author betsyanne
    If you are sure about not doing "black hat" things on your site, you can get your Google account back. You need to comb through each of your pages carefully, and check your code too. You may have been hacked. Some widgets may have let somebody in.

    Go to your hosting provider too, and check your pages. Are there some you didn't make there? Check your "popular pages" on Statcounter, after putting their code on the bottom of each page. Are there pages there that should not be there?

    You must fix each page and then re-apply to Google if this is the case. You can also check using Google Webmaster Tools too. Good luck!
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  • Profile picture of the author GyuMan82
    So I just spent like 20 min reading through this whole thread as I am an adsense publisher that makes good money as well, and I was hoping maybe I could learn some reason why OP got banned for no reason and see if possibly I was making the same mistake.

    And the conclusion was HE HAD A BANNED ACCOUNT FROM BEFORE?!?!?!

    Dude WTF?!?! This has to be the MOST OBVIOUS REASON for a ban.

    I was waiting for some profound finding to this mystery.

    Epic conclusion fail...
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  • Profile picture of the author 36burrows
    These threads can be so misleading!

    The OP can say whatever the hell he wants, but you'll NEVER truly know what was happening behind the scenes.

    Everyone claims innocence, it's human nature man!!
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  • Profile picture of the author yurito
    I bet he paid for traffic
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    • Profile picture of the author yurito
      Originally Posted by wegenbelasting View Post

      Maybe someone hates you and wanted to get you out of business, jealous people can do crazy things. Nowadays I only tell close relatives about new sites, imagine you dump your gf and she go's clicking like crazy on your ads.


      Great piece of advise, i wont even tell her about my sites! can u imagine that? lolol
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    • Profile picture of the author JeanneLynn
      Originally Posted by wegenbelasting View Post

      Maybe someone hates you and wanted to get you out of business, jealous people can do crazy things. Nowadays I only tell close relatives about new sites, imagine you dump your gf and she go's clicking like crazy on your ads.
      That's good advice. Even a well-meaning family member may click on a bunch of ads (thinking they were helping out) and cause problems for someone's Adsense.
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        • Profile picture of the author yurito
          Question:

          If i buy a 200 adsense sites network, generating over $3,500 a month and I put my adsense id code, and the sites are all good with TOS under control and everythings, what are the chances of my account getting disabled from that spike in traffic and earnings to my adsense account?

          Appreciate it,

          J.
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          • Profile picture of the author yurito
            Originally Posted by yurito View Post

            Question:

            If i buy a 200 adsense sites network, generating over $3,500 a month and I put my adsense id code, and the sites are all good with TOS under control and everythings, what are the chances of my account getting disabled from that spike in traffic and earnings to my adsense account?

            Appreciate it,

            J.
            never mind, with only 3 sites.. just got banned yesterday.. in my opinion Google Adsense = Casino Gambling

            well at the casinos they give you free food and drinks at least.. lol

            good luck all
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