SEO - Become hard nowadays

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Fellow Warriors,

Nowadays, I had noticed that, it takes more time to get results on Google, (SERP). Obviously, I am using same kind of strategies as I used to use early days - That really worked fast those days, but now it is not. It is obvious now that Google makes SEO guys' work more hard and improves it's quality.

However, I had seen, there are guys who are still following black-hat methods getting success too, no idea how they are working around. But, still those black-hat methods may give penalty on long term.

Okay, What kind of SEO strategies (Off-Site) which you guys mostly adopt?

I usually go for massive article marketing like article submissions, blogging and etc along with forums and profile creations (Our Angela's methods) and etc.

Share your thoughts on your experience on getting results, Don't say it is usual :p, I know it is usual, But, I said, it requires more effort these days compare to the days back where we need to put comparatively less effort...
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  • Profile picture of the author warriorkay
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    True, it does require more effort these days. More IMers are coming
    on board, more pages are being created, more backlinkings are being
    done by those who already have sites, etc. So, definitely, more
    effort is going to be exerted.

    On getting results? I simply do MORE of what already works,

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  • Profile picture of the author ulcseminary
    My answer seems to be autoresponders.

    I send a lot of regular mailings to everyone I can. I set up autoresponders with newsletters and other types of mailings. Samples of things I'm selling, etc.

    Without my mailings, I'd be in big trouble.

    The rest.... I've done everything I can think of and my rankings are not going up much. But the videos have gone a long way for improving my conversion rate.
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    • Profile picture of the author David Sneen
      With more people competing to get a good listing, and more awareness of the search engines' algorithms-SEO is harder now. But, it is still a goal worth pursuing-you just have to be better than your competitors.
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  • I've found that blogging really makes a huge difference. It doesn't necessarily give direct results like the methods you mentioned, but it really pays off in the long run.

    I've been focusing lately on delivering extremely high quality content. From what I've heard from friends at Google, they are constantly improving their algorithms to determine the good content from the poorly written.
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  • Profile picture of the author italeads
    SEO's have been confronted with a lot of different issues but I've found that the ones who stay ahead and innovative have been the ones with the most success.
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  • Profile picture of the author Mikeys
    Its all about adapting and overcoming. SEO is constantly changing, so if you are stuck in your old ways, its going to stop working.

    Lately, the big time authority links are what are working for me. It has been worth my time to annoy the crap out of bloggers that have big domain authority sites and me offering to do guest blog posts. Those are worth way more to me than a bunch of crappy links.
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  • Profile picture of the author alzack
    A method that I know was used by my friend is by placing short text ads in classified section in the local news paper. The ads will be directed to a squeeze page or sales page that have opt in with it. Capture the leads. Provide any ebook or report or whatever with value to the people opting in.

    Then, you have a new fresh leads hunger for information or anything that you can offer...you can also blast this list and direct them to your site or blog etc...

    What about that...
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  • Profile picture of the author kulonuwun
    yes it is not easy become number 1 in SERP and also new Google+ will affect our website rank. Right now i still optimize OFF/ON SEO strategies and using Google+ and FB likes to increase SERP.
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  • Profile picture of the author alzack
    To add on...if we manage to get SERP #1 for let say google.com, what about google.co.uk or google.co.id or google local search engine result in other countries... It is tough... i know because I've been strugling with my niche site to get this rank to the top...

    I always use hidemyass.com to double check my rank in SERP from various countries because it will hide our ip add....
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  • Profile picture of the author Roberto L
    Wow,,that's not a good news,, how can I survive by only one SEOer in the wars with other bigger and bigger companies lol...let it be!
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    • Profile picture of the author alzack
      Yes it is tough...

      You may survive or may slightly survive...

      With Google changing its algorithm once in a while.....oh...it's going to be tough...

      However, if you have a strong backlink strategy....and strong network...maintain continuous legitimate back links on monthly basis, use the correct keyword with high demand and low competition...i still think it is possible to win the SERP...


      Originally Posted by Roberto L View Post

      Wow,,that's not a good news,, how can I survive by only one SEOer in the wars with other bigger and bigger companies lol...let it be!
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  • Profile picture of the author dadamson
    It is always an ongoing battle for us SEOs, Google alters their algorithms constantly to shake things up and ensure websites aren't artificially ranking with methodical SEO techniques.

    Since the Panda shakeup there is been a strong focus on high quality content, so if you content is of excellent quality or if your visitors don't like it (hit the back button straight away) your site can suffer.

    In the end, cutting edge SEO and high quality content wins.
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  • Profile picture of the author rowanman28
    A few months ago, I saw the effect of making social bookmarking links in my rankings the same day, now nothing. What I have noticed is if I publish a lot, that really helps, so I write long, high quality blog posts on my site whenever I can. Unless you can get authority back links, it's mostly about everything on the page these days. After the first two months of my site, 90% of my traffic is still coming from social sites like Twitter, and the sites that brings like Social Whale, twitturls.org, powertweet.me, TweetMeMe, and stuff like that.
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    • Profile picture of the author alzack
      Wow...if what you share is true...then this is going to be difficult for me...I'm going to dive into IM from blogging...A site for IM which sells product or presell does not have much content...OMG...:confused:

      Originally Posted by rowanman28 View Post

      A few months ago, I saw the effect of making social bookmarking links in my rankings the same day, now nothing. What I have noticed is if I publish a lot, that really helps, so I write long, high quality blog posts on my site whenever I can. Unless you can get authority back links, it's mostly about everything on the page these days. After the first two months of my site, 90% of my traffic is still coming from social sites like Twitter, and the sites that brings like Social Whale, twitturls.org, powertweet.me, TweetMeMe, and stuff like that.
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  • Profile picture of the author rowanman28
    I think the best way to go is to get a good squeeze page, buy cheap traffic, and get email subscribers. Build trust, and sell to the list, and hopefully keep them as repeat customers, or referrals, or viewers, although I've only just started doing that, and I don't have much money to put into it, but if that's what you focus on, and you do it consistently, and well, I'm sure it would work over time, regardless of what Google was doing.
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    • Profile picture of the author alzack
      I second and strongly agree with getting list and taking care of them...then sell to them...easier...

      Originally Posted by rowanman28 View Post

      I think the best way to go is to get a good squeeze page, buy cheap traffic, and get email subscribers. Build trust, and sell to the list, and hopefully keep them as repeat customers, or referrals, or viewers, although I've only just started doing that, and I don't have much money to put into it, but if that's what you focus on, and you do it consistently, and well, I'm sure it would work over time, regardless of what Google was doing.
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  • Profile picture of the author LiftMyRank
    Now days I try to get links from actual authority sites, not just high pr pages, I think of these as stabilizing links to have and prevent you from dancing in the serps, so then you can add more and more other types of links with positive effects.
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  • Profile picture of the author seomilo
    mix all kind of SEO works

    & try to ping your links

    then I get maximum result
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  • Profile picture of the author eurekapsycrille
    I don't have an idea of how they work with their websites before. But I think SEO in the present time needs more effort and quality work.

    But being practical is a good way of getting high ranking through working on things that really matter the most. And of course, spending some time experimenting and exploring new techniques give more advantage.

    Base on my experience, there are no fixed methods or techniques to stick with, because we are more likely relying on search engines and their updates.
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  • Profile picture of the author ezbiz
    A mix of all defiantly, but Google really favors social media. Matt Cutts made that statement in one of his videos.
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  • Profile picture of the author faysal969
    Mainly I depend on article sharing and forum posting. Guest blog posting is very useful now a days. I do not use any black hat technique and make all the links manually. Manual backlinks are more powerful than automated backlinks.
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    • Profile picture of the author wahidswebgarage
      Originally Posted by faysal969 View Post

      Mainly I depend on article sharing and forum posting. Guest blog posting is very useful now a days. I do not use any black hat technique and make all the links manually. Manual backlinks are more powerful than automated backlinks.
      Automated link works only if you do them constantly,if you run your tool every other day it will harm your your site more then it will do any good.Most importanly when you r running a powerful backlinking tool,you should master every aspect of it to get result from it.
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  • Profile picture of the author friendfeed
    SEO is always good and Google is not good now and keeps changing their updates and new sites are coming up now.I lost my Big website which is in first page but now its went down to 5th page because of content issues.
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    • Profile picture of the author biznics
      Originally Posted by friendfeed View Post

      SEO is always good and Google is not good now and keeps changing their updates and new sites are coming up now.I lost my Big website which is in first page but now its went down to 5th page because of content issues.
      By changing and updating algorithm, Google is making things easier for "White Hat SEOs".

      So as long as any SEO is using ethical techniques for website optimization, Google won't bother them at all. But when big spammers mess in, Google has to do something to give visitors a good user/search experience.

      Just my two cents.

      For the SEO becoming hard these days. Same goes to it as well.

      It's simple:
      More websites = More load for search engines
      More load = More SPAM to control
      More SPAM = More liability to manage/handle SPAM
      More liability = More "unique" ways to distinguish SPAM & Quality sites

      Google updates its algo only to make sure that only qualifying sites gets to visitors instead of hundreds of spammy/automated sites.

      Hope it helps.
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  • Profile picture of the author warner444
    I do guest blogging on topically relevant sites. This seems to comply with everything Google Panda update wanted in quality. The articles are 100% unique for each blog. Over time I get on more and more powerful blogs.
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  • Profile picture of the author JamesGw
    It seems like creating your own blog network is the way to go nowadays. Social links / mentions also seem to have a direct correlation with rankings.
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  • Profile picture of the author pilatospoonfork
    Generally speaking, yeah, there are lots of changes took place now. And we have to comply with those changes if we want our site to have better ranking.
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  • Profile picture of the author lester091784
    The same with your method. I also do blog commenting in high ranking PR sites and each comments contains 1 to 2 keywords of my site.
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  • Profile picture of the author annie125
    yes you are correct my friend seo becomes more difficult now in the days, Google changes there algos very fast which is the reason behind it.
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  • Profile picture of the author xxxJamesxxx
    I've been finding it really hard these days and as a result... I'm starting to drift to other means of traffic.

    James Scholes
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  • Profile picture of the author ArranWood
    Without trying to blow my own trumpet here, I am not suffering too much at all from all of Google's changes.

    In fact I am having quite the opposite response. Many of my sites where in competitive markets against the usual affiliates, however since google is clamping down, I have found my sites have climbed.

    I own plenty of sites myself, but I am thinking of starting a network for people who also want top results, any opinions would be welcomed.

    I am not going to give the strategy away in this post, but If I have enough people interested then I will work a little harder on it.

    I used to teach Advanced SEO a few years ago, and to be honest many of the white hat does still work but people are all following the same path, this is why I still have the edge to some degree because knowing and implementing are two different things.

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  • Profile picture of the author Marketing Ignite
    you need to get into the social media now as google are shifting their algorithm in this direction.
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  • Profile picture of the author shuvo
    I agree with you.I am also facing this problem for some of my clients sites.I am trying all sorts of link building method but still find it really difficult to get top positions of Google.Its not hard of course but It is taking more time tahn previous to get a good rank.
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  • Profile picture of the author masspingtool
    hello , im using bookmarking sites, commenting, profile link, rss directories submission . thats my simple linkbuilding!
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    • Profile picture of the author theverysmartguy
      SEO honestly isn't as hard as a lot of people are making it out to be.

      Do quality, solid on page SEO BEFORE you do off page SEO and you will do quite fine.

      Most of my pages will end up within the first couple of pages of google with JUST on pages SEO efforts. I would say about 60% of my pages/posts make it to the first page with just on page SEO efforts. Then I work on getting it to the first page, that is, if it is not already there. Then I work to get to the top 3 spots.

      I add content to all my websites EVERYDAY; along with proper deep linking makes for some killer on site SEO.

      I use places like hootsuite to automate some social bookmarking for an initial boost and to get the page quickly indexed ( to make the bookmarking seem more natural, I add in an RSS of a popular relevant site or 2, so that I get bookmarks from other places than just my own websites). My pages are all indexed from within a few mins to a couple of hours.

      Yes, SEO takes a little elbow grease, but if you actual do it consistently you will find that it is not all that scary.

      Oh, and another thing, STOP going after the impossible keywords, or at least the keywords that will take you pretty much forever to rank for.

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    • Profile picture of the author theverysmartguy
      Originally Posted by Rajumukherjee View Post

      If you find it so difficult either struggle or die
      Honestly, How is this even remotely helpful?

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    • Profile picture of the author Amenda Jessera
      Originally Posted by Rajumukherjee View Post

      If you find it so difficult either struggle or die
      come on, life without struggle has no more tastes, Challenges always make you to live ahead and walk forward without lazy..... likewise, SEO too, make you struggle but gives you challenges - that is pretty great,
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  • Profile picture of the author Amenda Jessera
    Well, it is great to see you guys make the threat rocks

    I always stick with blogging and article marketing - That really helps but, always it requires some other combinations too, like blog commenting, profile link building and etc. But over all, I had noticed, the required effort is more compare to previous year, the reason may be Google gets more clever and clever as board is filled up with boys & girls with 'black-hat' rather than 'white-hat'

    People who wear Black-hat give challenges to Google, as a result, Google gives challenge to people who wear white-hat. It is not fair my dear bigggg Mr.G, what do you guys say?

    In between, this is my 501st post in warrior, wow, I have traveled a lot with warrior forum and hope to travel more...
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