Warrior Forum, Can You Beat The Blackhats?

Well you see thats exactly what has become slanted. You are right it implies using unethical methods- hence the idea of black(unfortunate near racist implications). But theres been a bending of the meaning of unethical as to what Google approves of and my point is I won't call something black or grey because a company CLAIMS its black or Grey (but yet does some things themselves that are grey in their on book- I have SEEN with my two eyes Google link to its partners without the nofollow tag where there IS financial incentives involved).

Dead wrong. You can bet whatever you wish your bet is not evidence. I didn't misspeak. I just flat out disagree with you. I've been in this industry for awhile and never met a black hatter that could linkbait as good as those who only do that. Common sense would indicate that those who rely on those techniques exclusively would be more skilled at it. Black hatters have a natural bent toward taking shortcuts that does not lend itself to being great link baiters. I 'm sure you can find exceptions but your generalization across the board or most statement is wrong and demonstrably so by the black hatters I have conversed with.

this board is full of black hatters and the crickets come out in force when there is a thread on linkbaiting. Frankly this nonsense idea of the supremacy (100X :rolleyes of black hatters lives only on online communities that have a large group committed to that approach.

Well I get you but Thats where I part with the implications of the term black and grey. One company doesn't have the power to claim by black that what it itself does on its own is wrong when someone else does it. Google claims that if I have a site I shouldn't link to another one of my sites either if it would "manipulate" the index. Does it link to partner sites where there is a financial involvement? yep. Anyone call Google a black hat company?

but yes I recognize by those that accept these labels that what I do is grey hat. I mean all I have to do is contact someone for a link and theres someone who would consider that manipulating the index. I have even seen Cutts imply that article marketing across the board regardless of article quality is somehow suspect and thats where you write a (hopefully quality) article and get a link in just the way that Google claims content ought to get links.