IM SICK OF IT... SEO is childs play

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You know what... stop reading sigs, stop reading anything that makes a bold calim, stop reading what you WANT to hear...

SEO is easy...

I'm tired of F''ckn people who come to this forum to milk alll the newbs. Tell them about the potential of a certain opp and and then start charging them for your services... F**k u!!!!!

Guys, SEO is not rocket science, and all these people who like to complicate everything are people who are not willing to tell you how easy SEO is! WHY? Because, they rather make a quick buck off of you!

Do your due dilligence... search the forum and you will find your answers...


You know what... I left all the BULL I hear on the forum and I started targeting keywords that no one targets and I started realizing what small minds are here on forums.... you can make money in any niche.... REGARDLESS of what anyone says!!!

MY SEO Strategy.... its FREE
#childs #play #seo #sick
  • Profile picture of the author DEUTSCHWULF
    Yup. So what's the next step?
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    • Profile picture of the author xTrav
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      Originally Posted by ultraffiliation View Post

      Yup. So what's the next step?
      omg r u serious?
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      • Profile picture of the author IM Ash
        Guys, and gals:

        This is the SEO forum, and a large percentage of the people who visit this section of the forum are actually interested in learning SEO. I am not against forum marketing if your approach to forum marketing contributes value to this forum, but if you complicate SEO, if you using shady bait and switch tactics, hype, or if you are blanketing SEO in a cloud of mystery to confuse someone who wants to learn then you are been deceptive and all you are doing is pinching pennies from ignorant newbies.

        Mowing the lawn is easy people but the grass keeps on growing if I don't take out the mower and cut the grass. If you willing to work at SEO you will experience positive SERP movement.

        I will not reveal my niches on a public IM forum (that will be dumb) but I will reveal what I do to get my sites ranked... no secrets here...

        SEO is made up of on-page factors and off-page factors. On-Page factors has to do with how you structure your website/content (100% in your control) and off-page factors deal with backlinks that point to your site (can be manipulated)!

        On-Page Factors:

        Please search the forum and you will find many many threads that explain on-page SEO. I'm not going into that here!

        Off-Page Factors

        There are various strategies used by SEOers and I have personally developed my own methods over the last year. If you do the opposite of what I am doing it does not mean you will not see results but your link building efforts comes down to 2 factors: you can build quality links or you can go for quantity. I have found that a mixture of both works best. This what I do to rank my sites... please take this as a point of departure... I used to spoon feed people in the past and I learnt that once I set a certain expectation in a person's mind then they expect to be spoon-fed all the way to the bank. This is not a spoon feeding post but it does divulge what I do personally.

        A few years ago I was speaking to a very successful IMer and one of the profound pieces of knowledge that he left with me was to this affect: when starting out I should target low comp. niches just to get my feet wet and thereafter I must target the competitive niches because to make the real money online I need to go to were the money is. This guy is a 7 figure earner and I respect the advice he gave me and what he mentioned helped me to remove the restrictions from my own mind.

        For all those who don't believe that someone with a med. budget and who does all his SEO work himself can rank for competitive keywords - you entitled to your opinion. Your opinion speaks volumes to me!

        MY SIMPLE SEO STRATEGY

        1. First step and most important: if you are serious about SEO you need to join a Private High PR Blog Network. Networks that limit membership are the best but even the networks that are spoken about on this forum work well. If you are targeting highly competitive keywords you might want to join at least 2 high PR networks. If you in a medium to low comp. niche you don't need to be a part of a blog network, you can just follow the other steps in my strategy.

        2. High PR links from blog comments. How do you find these? Last year I read an ebook called Ultimate ScrapeBox Advantage and it taught me all the ins and outs of using SB to the max and it also reveled various methods to find high PR backlinks (I am not an affiliate... not sure if the ebook is still on the market either but it was a fantastic investment which will be valuable to those who have SB)

        Essentially, the creator of this product revealed 3 methods to find high PR backlinks and all the methods can be performed manually. The first method involved reverse engineering competitors links. You will need the SEO quake plugin for firefox coupled with Yahoo SiteExplorer to check competitors links (search the forum and the net to learn how to do this). Who are your competitors?... the top 3 sites in SERPS... forget about the 20mil results that G shows as this says nothing about comp.

        Secondly, he mentioned reverse engineering spammers links from auto-approve blogs. Basically all you need to do is find an auto-approve blog and thereafter you reverse engineer the links of other commentors. This method will lead you on a trail of high PR backlinks and it works well. (again, you will need Yahoo SiteExplorer and the FF SEO Quake plugin)

        Thirdly, he mentioned using footprints and search strings on Google to find various blogs and Web2.0 properties to comment on. There are various threads on the forum that deal with this subject.

        Once you know how to find high PR links you should build your own list of high PR pages to comment on. I personally have found that the best links are those from blogs that are moderated. By leaving a thoughtful comment and sticking your link in there you will get your comment approved most of the time.

        The problem with auto-approve comments is that over time they become highly spammed and many a time the moderators will just wipe all comments out or they will change the commenting policy.

        3.Guest Posting: this method is not talked about enough on the forum. By guest posting on blogs that have a domain authoirty of 50+ you will be assured of securing 2 links on a page that appreciates with time and the SEO value is phenomenal. (use opensitexplorer to check domain authority). To give these posts even more of a boost you can build a handful of high PR links to them.

        4. Tiered Links or Link Pyramids: This in essence has to do with building backlinks to your backlinks. I create a first tier of 10-30 web 2.0 properties and I create a highly spun article (spun on the sentence and word level) and post one unique version to each property. Thereafter, I take that spun article and submit it to 1000s of article directories - these links point to my Web 2.0 properties. But the real power comes in when I begin to build high PR backlinks to these Web 2.0 properties. I build 20-40 PR4+ backlinks to each property but this is dependent on the competition. By doing this, all of my web 2.0 properties increase in PR and what I get in return is contextual high PR homepage links without the monthly fee.

        But it doesn't end there: I build these web 2.0 properties up and target the inner pages of my site to get full value from these properties. I even include a sidebar link to my site on a few of them to extract even more value. Just ensure all posts remain on the homepage to get full value.

        I personally use Posterous, Blog.com, Squidoo, Over-Blog, Tumblr, Wordpress LiveJournal, and various others... (search the forum you should find a list)

        NB: Don't publish spun junk on these properties, ensure you spin articles to perfection. Contribute value to the net and you will be repaid.

        Article Syndication: If you are creating sites with valuable content, you should extract full value from your superb content. Take you articles that have already been indexed on your site and submit it to Ezinearticles. Ensure you have a link back to the original article in your resource box.. this will let Google know that the article originated from your site. If the article is any good it will be picked up by webmasters and published on their sites. You can get some mighty powerful links on complete autopilot by doing this and it is kinda good for the ego when an authority site publishes your article on their site

        NB: there are content thieves online who will strip your links and publish it on their sites. Just set up a Google alert using your article title as this will serve as a notification when your article is published on another site. If your links are stripped you can ask them to include links or remove the article from their site.

        5. Doc Sharing Sites: the links from these sites are actually not bad at all and they should be included in your backlink profile. Take the articles you have already published on your site and convert them to PDF format and then submit them to 5-10 doc sharing sites. I use Docstoc, Calameo, eSnips, Isuu, Yudu and a few others...

        6. Lastly, what I do is submit 1-3 spun articles to the article directories... I do this to diversify my anchor texts.... so, my resource box will have anchors like "click here", "hxxp://mydomain.com", "visit my website" and a few long tails keywords as well... you just need to mix it up!

        Okay guys, now instead of this thread been a rant I have revealed my own methods... use it, lose it, that's up to you! I don't bother with profile links anymore, neither do I use RSS directories and bookmarks.

        Simple isn't it... but it does take work

        To Your Success!
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  • Profile picture of the author yukon
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    Amen brother!
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    • Profile picture of the author Stephen Crooks
      Absolutely right, SEO is childs play.. However, getting your web pages ranked for decent keywords takes work, patience and quality.

      There is an incredible amount of help offered here by many respectable marketers for newbies. If this sort of advice had been available when I was starting out, I wouldn't have made half the mistakes I made during the early years.

      Unfortunately there are some charlatans out there but thankfully the reviews and advice offered here can help sort the wheat from the chaff.
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      • Profile picture of the author Boris_yo
        Originally Posted by Steve Crooks View Post

        Absolutely right, SEO is childs play.. However, getting your web pages ranked for decent keywords takes work, patience and quality.

        There is an incredible amount of help offered here by many respectable marketers for newbies. If this sort of advice had been available when I was starting out, I wouldn't have made half the mistakes I made during the early years.

        Unfortunately there are some charlatans out there but thankfully the reviews and advice offered here can help sort the wheat from the chaff.
        If i knew 6 years back what i know today, i would retire in 2008.

        Originally Posted by paulgl

        I may be in the minority here, but I always say, go out and get yourself
        some knowledge, some experience, do a little page creating, real html, php,
        javascript stuff.
        Javascript is not necessary for newbies.

        Originally Posted by Izaya View Post

        How to SEO:

        Social Bookmarking - outsource this
        Commenting - outsource this
        Article directory submission - outsource this
        Blog network submission - Find a good one, this is worth every penny. Then blast your links here
        High quality links - Find yourself or hire someone
        How about outsourcing your life?
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  • Profile picture of the author ~kev~
    Originally Posted by Eleva8 View Post

    SEO is easy...
    Originally Posted by Steve Crooks View Post

    Absolutely right, SEO is childs play.. However, getting your web pages ranked for decent keywords takes work, patience and quality.

    What keywords do you rank in the top 5 for, out of say 20 million or more results?
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  • Profile picture of the author fin
    I tend to agree with the SEO part

    Im only a newbie and had my site a month but already had 2400 visitors to my site and number 3, 7 and 16 for my 3 keywords.

    Ive had 360 hoplinks and no sales so id say converting is the battle IMO
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  • Profile picture of the author Ru1N
    Many clients use SEO Specialists or companies because they do not have the time to do it themselves. SEO takes time, sure you can rank for Monkey Armpit Hair....does not mean it is being searched.

    Build a solid foundation with longtail keywords and quality content. Build some quality traffic driving links. Once you begin ranking high for your longtail, begin creating new content that slightly broadens your longtail. Keep it up over and over again, till you hit that precious 1 word keyword. This will take awhile, but it will build authority over all, and create a content rich site that more and more people will visit and link too.


    Also A lot of time and maintenance goes into an SEO campaign. Especially if you are gunning for big keywords. Why do you think there are so many big companies using SEO? I mean, you try battling for Mesothelioma.....if you don't have a million dollar budget your not going to get there.
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    so now i'm want hear from you. LOL.
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  • Originally Posted by Eleva8 View Post

    You know what... stop reading sigs, stop reading anythiing that makes a bold calim, stop reading what you WANT to hear...

    SEO is easy...

    I'm tired of F''ckn people who come to this forum to milk alll the newbs. Tell them abouth- the potentiel of a certain opp and and then start charging them form your services... F**k u!!!!!

    Guys, SEO is not rocket science, and all these people who like to complicate everything are people who are not willing to tell you how easy SEO is! WHY? Because, they rather make a quick buck off of you!

    Do your due diligennce... search the forum and yu will find you answers...


    YOu know what... I left all the BULL I hear on the forum and I started targeting keyowrds that no one targets and I started realizing what small minds are here on forums.... you can make money in any niche.... REGARDLESS of what anyone says!!!
    LOL!

    Welcome to the Warrior Forum.

    80% noobs and 20% milkin' em.
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      Originally Posted by ExploringInfinity View Post

      LOL!

      Welcome to the Warrior Forum.

      80% noobs and 20% milkin' em.
      Hey now!

      Make that 19% milkin' em, I ain't milking nothing!

      I've never sold anything on this forum, I just like telling people what I think, lol (that doesn't always go over so well)!
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      • Profile picture of the author Gee S
        LOL - I love the fact you consider yourself one whole percent of the twenty!

        Originally Posted by yukon View Post

        Hey now!

        Make that 19% milkin' em, I ain't milking nothing!

        I've never sold anything on this forum, I just like telling people what I think, lol (that doesn't always go over so well)!
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    • Profile picture of the author MikeFriedman
      Originally Posted by ExploringInfinity View Post

      LOL!

      Welcome to the Warrior Forum.

      80% noobs and 20% milkin' em.
      I don't think that is true in the SEO forum.

      Now, stop by the WSO section and that is a completely different story.
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      • Profile picture of the author theverysmartguy
        Originally Posted by MikeFriedman View Post

        I don't think that is true in the SEO forum.

        Now, stop by the WSO section and that is a completely different story.
        I 100% agree on that. Way to many people prey on other people in the WSO section.

        -- Jeff
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  • Profile picture of the author JamesGw
    SEO was never hard, although there are certain nuances and techniques that you can use that will make a lot of difference, both in the efficiency and effectiveness of your campaign.
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  • Profile picture of the author JoshuaG
    Most technical processes are easy for people who know how to do them.

    I agree you don't need products to learn SEO, but that doesn't make it EASY.

    Give a newbie an exported spread sheet of data from SEOSpyglass and ask him to interpret the data.

    He can't.

    Tell a newbie to share 3 ways to SEO a wordpress blog that don't include:
    1 - Title
    2 - Header
    3 - content
    4 - Images

    Again, chances are good he can't.

    Sure, you can probably learn everything you'll need to know for free, but that doesn't make it easy. Especially for people without a technical/internet background.
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    • Profile picture of the author InTheMaking
      lol..

      SEO is easy? Go rank for a tough keyword if it's easy.

      The idea of SEO is easy. Actually going out and ranking takes time and a lot of effort and knowledge.
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  • Profile picture of the author GeorgR.
    While i agree to a CERTAIN extent, yes SEO is easy - it's just a LOT of work.
    (Someone with only one or two sites wont have the problem - but i am already WAY beyond what a single person [me] can do for 10+ sites)

    As for it being easy (once you know what to do), yes, but you STILL need knowledge..and i think a newbie does not have that knowledge. Dont assume everyone has the same experience/knowledge.

    A typical newbie might go and buy a $15 "profile link package" and then wonder why he isnt Nr. #1 in Google a week later. MANY people dont know ANYTHING about Seo!!
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    • Profile picture of the author discustipated
      it has to be easy when someone like me who just started messing with seo a month ago set a site up 2 hours ago and its already indexed and rank on the first page of google. no joke..dont ask me how cause i have no idea but its freakin awsome.
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    • Profile picture of the author paulgl
      Originally Posted by GeorgR. View Post

      While i agree to a CERTAIN extent, yes SEO is easy - it's just a LOT of work.
      (Someone with only one or two sites wont have the problem - but i am already WAY beyond what a single person [me] can do for 10+ sites)

      As for it being easy (once you know what to do), yes, but you STILL need knowledge..and i think a newbie does not have that knowledge. Dont assume everyone has the same experience/knowledge.

      A typical newbie might go and buy a $15 "profile link package" and then wonder why he isnt Nr. #1 in Google a week later. MANY people dont know ANYTHING about Seo!!
      Yeah, GeorgR, true enough. Or close to.

      The problem is this. I've said it in a round about way many times.

      People think they can buy a EMD domain, install lame wordpress, do
      some BS articles, then go and see what's on the cheap for any and
      all SEO packages. Dumb idea.

      I may be in the minority here, but I always say, go out and get yourself
      some knowledge, some experience, do a little page creating, real html, php,
      javascript stuff. Read what google writes. Read the forum for free ideas.
      Get some experience. You have to know the ins and outs are to not be taken.

      Then, and only then, can one make a distinction between truth and junk
      as far as WSO's go.

      I don't think a newbie should be spending money. Any money.

      The one site thing is what everyone should start out with. Get to
      know what this stuff is truly about.

      I've paid for stuff on the WF. Good stuff. But I sure had to build a
      relationship and look at what that person was posting before I
      ever clicked the paypal.

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  • Profile picture of the author ~kev~
    I am still waiting for someone to back up their claims that SEO is easy by ranking in a high competition keyword.

    Someone give me a keyword that they rank well in, and with more then 10 or 20 million results.

    Lets limit the search to 1 or 2 keyword phrase, 20 million or more results, and your page ranks in the top 5 in the google results.
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    • Profile picture of the author V12
      Originally Posted by ~kev~ View Post

      I am still waiting for someone to back up their claims that SEO is easy by ranking in a high competition keyword.

      Someone give me a keyword that they rank well in, and with more then 10 or 20 million results.

      Lets limit the search to 1 or 2 keyword phrase, 20 million or more results, and your page ranks in the top 5 in the google results.
      How about 'make money online' in Google UK? I'm talking about the domain with lots of hyphens.
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    • Profile picture of the author yukon
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      Originally Posted by ~kev~ View Post

      I am still waiting for someone to back up their claims that SEO is easy by ranking in a high competition keyword.

      Someone give me a keyword that they rank well in, and with more then 10 or 20 million results.

      Lets limit the search to 1 or 2 keyword phrase, 20 million or more results, and your page ranks in the top 5 in the google results.
      Find a good private link network, the rest is easy on-page seo!

      http://www.warriorforum.com/adsense-...o-they-do.html

      http://www.warriorforum.com/adsense-...insurance.html

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      WTF, some cry baby got that last link deleted.

      That's F@#%! just messed up! I'm sure I know who it was, thanks for nothing!

      Anyway the keyword is car insurance ranking #13 in Google SERPs last I checked, 3 week old site carinsuranceh[dot]com.
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    • Profile picture of the author Thinking_man_too
      Be more specific. I assume you mean
      10 - 20 million broad results in google search engine?
      (meaning you type in the term and google says there are 20 million results).
      Or are you meaning something insane like 10 million monthly searches ???
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      • Profile picture of the author ~kev~
        Originally Posted by Thinking_man_too View Post

        Be more specific. I assume you mean
        10 - 20 million broad results in google search engine?
        At least 10 - 20 million results.


        Originally Posted by yukon View Post

        Anyway the keyword is car insurance ranking #13 in Google SERPs last I checked, 3 week old site carinsuranceh[dot]com.
        Its normal for new sites to hit page 2 or 3, lets see how you hold up in 4 - 6 months.

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        I want to see someone that said SEO is easy, and they have a site on the first page of google for a high competition keyword.
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        • Profile picture of the author MikeFriedman
          Originally Posted by ~kev~ View Post

          At least 10 - 20 million results.
          The number of results does not tell you how competitive a search term is.
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          • Profile picture of the author theverysmartguy
            Originally Posted by MikeFriedman View Post

            The number of results does not tell you how competitive a search term is.
            Your only real competition are the pages on the 1st page of Google.

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            • Profile picture of the author Thinking_man_too
              Originally Posted by theverysmartguy View Post

              Your only real competition are the pages on the 1st page of Google.

              -- Jeff
              If you are really good that is true.

              For the newbie the competition is anyone on the first 10 pages of google....to many build it...and no one comes and they don't know why and they give up.
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              • Profile picture of the author theverysmartguy
                Originally Posted by Thinking_man_too View Post

                If you are really good that is true.

                For the newbie the competition is anyone on the first 10 pages of google....to many build it...and no one comes and they don't know why and they give up.
                Yea, the "If you build it they will come." mentality only works in the movie "Field of Dreams"

                But even if you start on the 10th page of Google, you really just need to improve your on page SEO, and then get building some high quality backlinks. And if you get the right ones, it might not even take very many before you hit the first page.

                -- Jeff

                EDIT: Also the ones that built it and don't do anything aren't really doing very much with SEO at all are they?
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          • Profile picture of the author ~kev~
            Originally Posted by MikeFriedman View Post

            The number of results does not tell you how competitive a search term is.
            Sure it is.

            Do a google search for "news", then come back and say that. There are over 12 billion results for "news".

            Put your sites where you put your post. What keywords do you rank on the first page of google for?
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            • Profile picture of the author MikeFriedman
              Originally Posted by ~kev~ View Post

              Sure it is.

              Do a google search for "news", then come back and say that. There are over 12 billion results for "news".

              Put your sites where you put your post. What keywords do you rank on the first page of google for?

              12 billion websites are not TRYING to rank for "news" though. So, no it does not tell you how competitive a keyword is. The keyword news is competitive, but not because there are 12 billion results. It's because the first page is a bitch.

              Competition is limited to the first page of Google. Analyzing those sites will tell you how competitive it is.

              Using the number of results is an old wive's tale that was started by people selling get rich quick schemes and seo tools. They used that to try to WOW people for how hard it was to rank for their given keyword, when in reality, the keyword wasn't very competitive at all.

              But it looked good to say, "Learn how I beat out 1.2 million other websites!"
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              • Profile picture of the author theverysmartguy
                Originally Posted by MikeFriedman View Post

                12 billion websites are not TRYING to rank for "news" though. So, no it does not tell you how competitive a keyword is. The keyword news is competitive, but not because there are 12 billion results. It's because the first page is a bitch.

                Competition is limited to the first page of Google. Analyzing those sites will tell you how competitive it is.

                Using the number of results is an old wive's tale that was started by people selling get rich quick schemes and seo tools. They used that to try to WOW people for how hard it was to rank for their given keyword, when in reality, the keyword wasn't very competitive at all.

                But it looked good to say, "Learn how I beat out 1.2 million other websites!"
                The really sad thing is, is there are are a ton of keyword services saying they will find you keywords will less than 10,000 competing pages. And they make a killing; charging $99 a month and up sometimes. And the funny thing is; those 9,990 pages don't really matter, only the first 10.

                The problem is, is that way too many people have gotten it into their heads that that is the way to determine who you are competing against. So many in fact that when someone tells them different they laugh at you and tell you you don't know what you are talking about.

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            • Profile picture of the author yukon
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              Originally Posted by ~kev~ View Post

              Sure it is.

              Do a google search for "news", then come back and say that. There are over 12 billion results for "news".

              Put your sites where you put your post. What keywords do you rank on the first page of google for?
              Lol, who in their right mind would show the rest of this forum a site they own (not me), especially a well ranking site for a competitive keyword? It wouldn't happen in a million years.
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              • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
                Originally Posted by yukon View Post

                Lol, who in their right mind would show the rest of this forum a site they own (not me), especially a well ranking site for a competitive keyword? It wouldn't happen in a million years.
                People hide behind that all the time. I'll make it easier for you. Since SEO is so easy (Its not rocket science but then most professions/jobs aren't either - well accept rocket science and a few others ). It ought to be easy to show how others to do it easy and free.

                Go ahead. Show me a site that goes up against REAL competition that is doing it easy and free. ANd please spare me the new sites that are ranking like you have never heard of QDF. Lets see a site that has lasted with REAL competition on the front page not this bogus search count stuff. Now that you don;t have to hide behind not showing your own site - get going.

                I'll bet you come up with some soft stuff based on some wrong idea of what truly competitive is.
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                  • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
                    Originally Posted by Izaya View Post

                    So you want me to show you someone else's site? Sure let me just screw someone else over it's no big deal right.
                    Excuses excuses. Too transparent. People have already linked to sites and pointed out serps - they do every day on this forum. You can't make any comment on SEO without looking at rankings. Thats totally ridiculous.

                    SEO is easy, advanced physics is hard. SEO is time consuming only
                    running is easy. No complication to it. Get out there put one foot in front of another. Is running a marathon easy?




                    Social Bookmarking - outsource this
                    Commenting - outsource this
                    Article directory submission - outsource this
                    Blog network submission - Find a good one, this is worth every penny. Then blast your links here
                    High quality links - Find yourself or hire someone
                    I get you now. Your definition of easy is hire someone else and you would be right but that doesn't make SEO easy it just makes it easy to you because you are paying someone else to do the grunt work. Two different things entirely.

                    People that think SEO is hard haven't every done something truly hard.
                    People who think there are only two choices have no idea what they are talking about. If something is not complicated it does not automatically mean it is child's play.
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                      • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
                        Originally Posted by Izaya View Post

                        Running a marathon isn't hard either just time consuming. If you give me a week am sure I can run a marathon.

                        SEO is easy, and grunt work is easy. There's a difference between easy and time consuming. You've no idea what your talking about.
                        For a guy that just claimed that running 26 miles (which is how long a marathon is) is easy I think most intelligent people can figure out who has no idea what he is talking about. I'd bet you are as successful at ranking sites as you would be running a marathon and then collapsing after your first three miles. LOL!

                        Heres your assignment. Go out and get some ON PAGE PR links that are not blog comments (you know like what 90% + sites rank without much of) and without using a network that some one else worked hard to build then come back. Until then you are a newb.
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                      • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
                        Originally Posted by Izaya View Post

                        Since your so keen on other people posting their sites, posting your own amazing seo sites should be no problem for you since you love to share right?
                        Blew up that cover for you already. You can point to the serps and show us all how easy sites were to rank . Don't need to show your own. Now that we have removed that excuse come on lets go. Show me all the highly competitive terms that were ranked easily.

                        Seriously you guys are a joke. If you ever built a network like the ones you are pointing to you wouldn't have the ignorance to claim that its easy.
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                • Profile picture of the author yukon
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                  You & kev are just trolling now, the sites are already posted.

                  Your adding in unrelated things like FREE (LMAO ), nobody said anything about FREE, ha, ha.

                  QDF, get real, they have solid links & you would know that If you actually took the time to check rather than continue on another never ending quest to prove something wrong (which you won't).

                  If you think car insurance is soft stuff, your in La La land!

                  Anything else you would like to add to this?

                  Maybe the sites should only be built on a Wednesday, at an elevation of 520ft', someplace in Iowa? :rolleyes:

                  What else you got?




                  Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

                  People hide behind that all the time. I'll make it easier for you. Since SEO is so easy (Its not rocket science but then most professions/jobs aren't either - well accept rocket science and a few others ). It ought to be easy to show how others to do it easy and free.

                  Go ahead. Show me a site that goes up against REAL competition that is doing it easy and free. ANd please spare me the new sites that are ranking like you have never heard of QDF. Lets see a site that has lasted with REAL competition on the front page not this bogus search count stuff. Now that you don;t have to hide behind not showing your own site - get going.

                  I'll bet you come up with some soft stuff based on some wrong idea of what truly competitive is.
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                  • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
                    Originally Posted by yukon View Post

                    You & kev are just trolling now, the sites are already posted.
                    Sorry Yukon you don't get the troll monitor badge (I'd outrank you anyway). Difference of opinion with the OP is not trolling

                    Your adding in unrelated things like FREE (LMAO ), nobody said anything about FREE, ha, ha.
                    Actually if you actually read you would see where the OP implicates anyone selling a service or product. Last time I checked selling involved somebody paying.:rolleyes:

                    QDF, get real, they have solid links & you would know that If you actually took the time to check rather than continue on another never ending quest to prove something wrong (which you won't).
                    ROFL! and you think QDF falls from the algo because a site has good links. Lets see what happens with that site you are all excited over when it ummm .....actually gets to the front page. Heres a hint - QDF ain't the only thing that s going to tank it should the site ACTUALLY rank.

                    If you think car insurance is soft stuff, your in La La land!
                    and now we know you are in lala land. What? you consider second page ranking? frankly neither is 10,9,8,7, or 6. Any SEO newb knows the traffic is in the top spots. You been all excited running around threads with that example and the page isn't even on the first page. SO desperate for validation? I would think if SEO was soooo easy you could look in every serp and see sites ranking EASILY not have to run around with a second page ranking as your crown jewel example.

                    Besides there is nothing easy about building a network like that . thats just you guys being silly. The fact that you can rent space on a blog network where the owner of the network has worked hard and spent good money to build doesn't make SEO itself easy.

                    Thats like saying that building a house is easy because you can rent one. Well um duh?

                    Maybe the sites should only be built on a Wednesday, at an elevation of 520ft', someplace in Iowa? :rolleyes:
                    Don't reveal any of your alleged SEO secrets man
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                  • Profile picture of the author ~kev~
                    Originally Posted by yukon View Post

                    You & kev are just trolling now, the sites are already posted.
                    I am not trolling, people post a statement, they should be able to back that statement up.

                    Sites? What sites? Black hat posted a link to google and the result he mentioned was warriorforum.

                    I want to see some high ranking, mature sites, with hundreds or even thousands of pages.

                    Does anyone that says SEO is easy rank in the top 5 of google in a 2 keyword or less search? And without an "exact" domain name.

                    Come on people, SEO is easy, lets see some high ranking sites.

                    Does anyone in this thread have a site with more then 200 pages, what about 2,000 pages, 20,000 pages, or how about 200,000 pages?

                    Put your big boy pants on, and lets see some sites with over 500,000 pages that you built or manage, and rank in the top 5 of google.

                    I own a forum with over 3 million post, more then 60,000 members, over 5 years old, and ranks in the top 5 in google for all kinds of keywords,,, and I rank #1 in several 2 keyword searches.
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                    • Profile picture of the author patrich
                      Originally Posted by ~kev~ View Post

                      I own a forum with over 3 million post, more then 60,000 members, over 5 years old, and ranks in the top 5 in google for all kinds of keywords,,, and I rank #1 in several 2 keyword searches.
                      Well, at least you're impressed with yourself. :rolleyes:
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                      • Profile picture of the author ~kev~
                        Originally Posted by patrich View Post

                        Well, at least you're impressed with yourself. :rolleyes:
                        Well, yea. I am the only one so far to post any site stats. Where are your sites at Patrich?

                        All I have seen in this thread is a bunch of talk - blah, blah, and more blah.

                        Lets see some proof to backup the claims that SEO is easy. Where are the high ranking sites?
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                        • Profile picture of the author patrich
                          Originally Posted by ~kev~ View Post

                          Well, yea. I am the only one so far to post any site stats. Where are your sites at Patrich?

                          All I have seen in this thread is a bunch of talk - blah, blah, and more blah.

                          Lets see some proof to backup the claims that SEO is easy. Where are the high ranking sites?
                          My sites are really none of your business.

                          You see, I have nothing to prove to you or anyone else here. I really don't give a sh*t what you or anyone else on this forum things in regards to whether or not seo is easy.

                          I have looked at your forum, I wasn't really impressed. But if it makes you happy, then more power to you. Its none of my business what your site looks like or ranks for and honestly, I don't care.

                          All that matters to me and any other professional on this forum, is the money. I could care less if you have a billion posts on your forum or a blog with 5 pages, because at the end of the day, none of that matters. What matters is the money that is generated from that site.

                          I make a very comfortable living, I enjoy what I do and yes, I find it to be easy. Usually, its mind numbingly easy and I get bored with it. I have never not ranked for a search term that I actually made an attempt to go after. Some of those keywords are very low competition and some are very high competition.

                          I have little 10 page sites that make over $200/day each and I have big competitive sites with lots of pages that make less than that. Again, all that matters is the bottom line, not the number of pages on the site or how competitive the search term is, etc.

                          You can run around here and spout how good you are because you have a survival forum that has lots of posts but at the end of the day, the only one that actually cares, is you. Your wasting your breath and everyone else's oxygen.

                          I mean seriously, has anyone taken the time to read this forum thread? A heated debate over whether or not seo is easy.... Who cares! Some people think its easy, some don't. Everyone has different skill levels and skill sets accept and move on. You might as well be arguing about which block goes in which hole.

                          what a waste
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                          • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
                            Originally Posted by patrich View Post

                            I mean seriously, has anyone taken the time to read this forum thread? A heated debate over whether or not seo is easy.... Who cares! Some people think its easy, some don't. Everyone has different skill levels and skill sets accept and move on. You might as well be arguing about which block goes in which hole.

                            what a waste
                            The amusing thing about your post is that its existence and its length directly contradicts its message . 7 paragraphs to tell us how wasteful participating in the thread is. LOL WF is hilarious at times.
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                              Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

                              The amusing thing about your post is that its existence and its length directly contradicts its message . 7 paragraphs to tell us how wasteful participating in the thread is. LOL WF is hilarious at times.
                              Yep, you got me there, pretty funny :rolleyes:
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                            Originally Posted by patrich View Post

                            My sites are really none of your business.
                            Come on... we mean no harm, we are the good guys.
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                    • Profile picture of the author Stephen Crooks
                      Originally Posted by ~kev~ View Post

                      I own a forum with over 3 million post, more then 60,000 members, over 5 years old, and ranks in the top 5 in google for all kinds of keywords,,, and I rank #1 in several 2 keyword searches.
                      Then maybe you can put your big boy pants on and show everyone this forum?
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                    • Profile picture of the author chrismillerjr
                      Originally Posted by ~kev~ View Post


                      I own a forum with over 3 million post, more then 60,000 members, over 5 years old, and ranks in the top 5 in google for all kinds of keywords,,, and I rank #1 in several 2 keyword searches.
                      Active Members: 9,322
                      I've got a few of those too. Not beating up on you, anymore than you're beating up on others of course. I am a hunter and run outdoor sites like you. I just don't see the need to call people out on this site. No one is going to give you their secrets, no matter how much you call them out. Most know that trick.
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            • Profile picture of the author Black Hat Cat
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              Originally Posted by ~kev~ View Post

              Sure it is.
              No, it isn't. All that tells you is how many pages there are. It says nothing about how competitive those pages are.

              Someone give me a keyword that they rank well in, and with more then 10 or 20 million results.
              Done. See number 2.

              black hat cat - Google Search
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              • Profile picture of the author oogyboogawa
                Originally Posted by Black Hat Cat View Post

                No, it isn't. All that tells you is how many pages there are. It says nothing about how competitive those pages are.



                Done. See number 2.

                black hat cat - Google Search

                Nice! Hopefully that will settle it. (though I'm sure it won't...)
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              • Profile picture of the author yukon
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                Originally Posted by Black Hat Cat View Post

                No, it isn't. All that tells you is how many pages there are. It says nothing about how competitive those pages are.



                Done. See number 2.

                black hat cat - Google Search
                Most times it doesn't even tell you how many competing pages there really is, that number is bogus a lot of times.

                I have a new keyword I'm working on right now. Google SERP says this eaxct keyword (without quotes) has:

                About 104,000,000 results (0.15 seconds)
                When I click "Next Page" all the way to the end of the SERPs for that keyword, it stops on page #40 & tells me that only 394 results exist.

                That's a HUGE drop!

                The rest of those bogus #s are in Supplemental SERPs.

                This keyword gets over 30k per month traffic, only 3 sites on page #1 in the SERPs are even trying to rank, the rest just got lucky.
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              • Profile picture of the author ~kev~
                Originally Posted by Black Hat Cat View Post

                Done. See number 2.

                black hat cat - Google Search
                Warrior forum?

                What about "your" site?

                How do you rank for a 1 or 2 keyword search? If you ranked #1 or #2 for a search for "black hat", I would be more impressed.

                Or better yet, go into your google webmaster tools and post a screen shot of the keywords you rank #1 in
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                • Profile picture of the author patrich
                  Originally Posted by ~kev~ View Post

                  Warrior forum?

                  What about "your" site?

                  How do you rank for a 1 or 2 keyword search? If you ranked #1 or #2 for a search for "black hat", I would be more impressed.

                  Or better yet, go into your google webmaster tools and post a screen shot of the keywords you rank #1 in
                  You rank for a 1 or 2 keyword search the same way you rank for any other search. Why would anyone show you all of the keywords that they rank for?

                  I think you are trying to make this more difficult than it needs to be. I have ranked for 2 word search terms by accident before, it doesn't matter. If you have enough content and backlinks that are relevant to the search term, you rank for it. Plain and simple.
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                  • Profile picture of the author ~kev~
                    Originally Posted by patrich View Post

                    I think you are trying to make this more difficult than it needs to be.
                    People are posting that SEO is childs play and its easy, I want them to back-up their words.

                    I have yet to see anyone post a 1 or 2 phrase keyword, that they rank well for in a high competition niche.

                    Talk is cheap, lets see some proof.
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                    • Profile picture of the author patrich
                      Originally Posted by ~kev~ View Post

                      People are posting that SEO is childs play and its easy, I just want them to back-up their words.

                      I have yet to see anyone post a 1 or 2 phrase keyword, that they rank well for in a high competition niche.

                      Talk is cheap, lets see some proof.
                      I would have to agree with those people, it is easy. I already said this, treat it like a process.

                      A very competitive search term will take you longer to rank for, obviously, but it doesn't matter how many words the search term is, what matters is the competition.

                      I held the #1 position for "commercial software" for over a year, it eventually fell off after selling the site, but I wasn't even targeting the search term. It wasn't in the domain and it was only in the page content once or twice. But, the site itself was about different types of commercial software, which is where the relevancy for the term came from.

                      The point is that how many words are in the search term doesn't matter, the competition does. And not the number of results but the competition in the top 10.

                      There are a lot of easy to rank for 2 word search terms out there. I have several, most of them took me less than a month to rank for and most of that month was spent waiting on Google to update the rankings and find my backlinks. That doesn't mean that I am going to go and hand out my search terms to anyone that asks, whether you believe it or not.
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        • Profile picture of the author Thinking_man_too
          We are in agreement there. No one in their right mind would say SEO is easy.
          But it is possible and doable and without the big budgets that a lot of companies and site owners use to make it happen. Takes work, learning, mistakes, patience, more learning more mistakes.... and if you stick with it long enough you start to get it right. But there are plateaus at every level. And then you have to learn more....
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    • Profile picture of the author patrich
      Originally Posted by ~kev~ View Post

      I am still waiting for someone to back up their claims that SEO is easy by ranking in a high competition keyword.

      Someone give me a keyword that they rank well in, and with more then 10 or 20 million results.

      Lets limit the search to 1 or 2 keyword phrase, 20 million or more results, and your page ranks in the top 5 in the google results.
      I have lots of #1 and #2 rankings for keywords with over 20 million search results. So what? Why are people always looking for someone to prove their success in this business? Just because you can't do it yourself doesn't mean that nobody else can either.
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      • Profile picture of the author Nero Arcnumé
        SEO is easy as there is only so much that you can know. I bet even a worker ant could remember everything regarding SEO.

        Sure, some keywords will require a lot of effort and time. But that doesn't mean you need to constantly learn the "mystical ways" of SEO (which is what "gurus" seem to be selling and suckers seem to buy). Perhaps you spend lots of resources on building backlinks, but the SEO method is building the backlink, which is all too easy.

        There's a big difference between time investment and difficulty of the subject matter, which is what I assume this thread is all about.
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    • Profile picture of the author nicolenattan
      Originally Posted by ~kev~ View Post

      I am still waiting for someone to back up their claims that SEO is easy by ranking in a high competition keyword.

      Someone give me a keyword that they rank well in, and with more then 10 or 20 million results.

      Lets limit the search to 1 or 2 keyword phrase, 20 million or more results, and your page ranks in the top 5 in the google results.
      Well what people do is making conflict out of themselves, just to have something to spam. I absolutely agree. The better things to do is give more effort preparing for strategy and focus to it, rather playing silly. I even agree that SEO is easy if one has understand the flow of links and what to focus with.
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  • Profile picture of the author yukon
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    D#@%! it!

    They will let spam into this forum every single day of the week, & then delete real (good) forum threads!

    WTF, is wrong with this place?
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      Originally Posted by yukon View Post

      D#@%! it!

      They will let spam into this forum every single day of the week, & then delete real (good) forum threads!

      WTF, is wrong with this place?
      It might have been the network owner that requested the thread be deleted. That thread was giving Google a clear map to their treasure.
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  • Profile picture of the author nathanwhc
    Driving a car is easy, winning a Grand Prix isn't. It's not the industry that's the hard part, it's the getting good at it that's hard.
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  • Profile picture of the author YasirYar
    Originally Posted by Eleva8 View Post

    You know what... stop reading sigs, stop reading anythiing that makes a bold calim, stop reading what you WANT to hear...

    SEO is easy...

    I'm tired of F''ckn people who come to this forum to milk alll the newbs. Tell them abouth- the potentiel of a certain opp and and then start charging them form your services... F**k u!!!!!

    Guys, SEO is not rocket science, and all these people who like to complicate everything are people who are not willing to tell you how easy SEO is! WHY? Because, they rather make a quick buck off of you!

    Do your due diligennce... search the forum and yu will find you answers...


    YOu know what... I left all the BULL I hear on the forum and I started targeting keyowrds that no one targets and I started realizing what small minds are here on forums.... you can make money in any niche.... REGARDLESS of what anyone says!!!
    Yes SEO is very easy.. just get a link spamming software and press the START button. LOL.

    There's no need for SEO companies is there?
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    • Profile picture of the author theverysmartguy
      Originally Posted by YasirYar View Post

      Yes SEO is very easy.. just get a link spamming software and press the START button. LOL.

      There's no need for SEO companies is there?
      I really hope that you are being sarcastic.

      -- Jeff
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  • Profile picture of the author Caleb12
    I agree that many people say seo is easy, but they don't know it in-depth. SEO takes time, effort, and a lot of quality work to get ranked for very competitive keywords. If you know what to do and you are determined you can rank for almost any keyword in my opinion. Obviously its the more competitive term the longer it will take.
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    • Profile picture of the author theverysmartguy
      Originally Posted by SEOExpertforYou View Post

      I agree that many people say seo is easy, but they don't know it in-depth. SEO takes time, effort, and a lot of quality work to get ranked for very competitive keywords. If you know what to do and you are determined you can rank for almost any keyword in my opinion. Obviously its the more competitive term the longer it will take.
      They didn't actually say that it wouldn't take work. That is pretty obvious; it is the going about it that is actually quite easy.

      Start with your onpage SEO, make sure that it is optimized perfectly ( but don't be stupid and over optimize it). Then build high quality backlinks to the page in question. Don't use spam packages.

      If you read the forum you know what people are experiencing with those; they drop off the ranks and never recover. You will most likely recover if you already had some high quality links to begin with, but to start off a site with link spam is just saying, "Please kill my site".
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  • Profile picture of the author Becker13
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    Originally Posted by Eleva8 View Post

    You know what... stop reading sigs, stop reading anythiing that makes a bold calim, stop reading what you WANT to hear...

    SEO is easy...

    I'm tired of F''ckn people who come to this forum to milk alll the newbs. Tell them abouth- the potentiel of a certain opp and and then start charging them form your services... F**k u!!!!!

    Guys, SEO is not rocket science, and all these people who like to complicate everything are people who are not willing to tell you how easy SEO is! WHY? Because, they rather make a quick buck off of you!

    Do your due diligennce... search the forum and yu will find you answers...


    YOu know what... I left all the BULL I hear on the forum and I started targeting keyowrds that no one targets and I started realizing what small minds are here on forums.... you can make money in any niche.... REGARDLESS of what anyone says!!!
    Solid post. When i first got into SEO i was overwhelmed with the amount of theory and crazy strategies based around it.

    I really did not start seeing success until I severely dumbed down my strategy and just did basic SEO. It works wonders
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  • Profile picture of the author RevSEO
    Don't get pissy with the services offered here or anywhere else for SEO. These services are made to make YOUR life easier. Work smarter and not harder. Can you manually build links? Sure, but who in the heck wants to do that for 3 or more projects?

    SEO is easy if you follow the advice found on WF, and intelligently build out your SEO campaigns. Outsourcing and managing your SEO campaigns is the way to do it, not the other way around.
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  • Profile picture of the author jameskahon
    He maybe read the phrase "even a 5 year old can do seo" thing.
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    • Profile picture of the author rafiseo
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      I do believe Yukon is trying to misguide us(newbies)! No Doubt!



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      • Profile picture of the author yukon
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        Originally Posted by rafiseo View Post

        I do believe Yukon is trying to misguide us(newbies)! No Doubt!
        Yep, cavemen are very misleading! :rolleyes:

        What about MR. T, is that better?


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        • Profile picture of the author rafiseo
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          The person who is new in SEO world if think SEO is tough then he/she cant be Fool! its just lack of knowledge and experience.

          Originally Posted by yukon View Post

          Yep, cavemen are very misleading! :rolleyes:

          What about MR. T, is that better?


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  • Profile picture of the author ours
    Yes i agree that seo is not rocket science. You can check this sitepronews article explains all Seo is exhaustive process.

    SEO – Search Engine Optimisation Is Not Rocket Science | SiteProNews: Webmaster News & Resources
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  • Profile picture of the author sweetheater
    SEO = Take Action... If you dont do that,then there is no point in staying in this business...There are people who thinks SEO is easy,but the fact is they wont work hard (NO ACTION)and just spend time on forums reading...reading...reading... To all of them SEO IS CHILD'S PLAY... but first do the playing part
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  • Profile picture of the author dagaul101
    I do agree, that dedication can get you results in any niche, and with keywords poppping about all the time, there is always money to be made
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  • Profile picture of the author Jauhar
    Definitely agree. SEO is all about Keywords and most things can be done yourself without the help of a so called expert. But hey everyone's gotta make a living. lol
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  • Profile picture of the author ~kev~
    I have yet to see anyone post their site in the top 5 of google.

    No exact domain name search
    Has to be your site
    more then 10 or 20 million results

    If SEO is easy, lets see some sites.
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    • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
      Originally Posted by ~kev~ View Post

      I have yet to see anyone post their site in the top 5 of google......If SEO is easy, lets see some sites.
      They won't because essentially this thread peddles the same kind of garbage that WSOs peddle.

      "Oh Oh" (hand waving high like a student trying to impress a teacher by answering a question) I can do SEO. its easy ask me."

      Then the teacher picks them and says "okay show me"

      they then proceed to to show how they ranked for "Cheap Samsung SCD103 MiniDV Digital Camcorder "

      and they hand the chalk back to the teacher with a big grin on their face while the teacher rolls her eyes.

      Its like saying -

      playing football (Us version) is easy because you can pick up the ball and run 20 Yards with no one else on the field.

      Playing in the NBA is child's play because you can stand at the arc at half time and make one three point shot with no one in your face.

      Being a defense lawyer is easy because you just finished watching Law and order and think that its all about giving speeches and not about anticipating, adjusting and executing a defense that counters what the prosecution is going to do.

      In short you crazy people of this thread -

      ANYTHING IS EASY WHEN YOU ARE NOT PLAYING AGAINST SOMEONE WHO KNOWS WHAT THEY ARE DOING.

      I've been around long enough get enough people emailing me their questions and sites and guess what? I am downright sure that about 80%+ of you are not in any competitive niche where the real money is. At least half of you are running MFA and affiliate sites for some product that no one gives a rip about and though you swagger on here on an anonymous forum making claims you aren't making any real money either.

      Over half of you don't have one clue how to get high authority links on the page with low OBL and some of you will even argue that it isn't needed but then when asked can't show a single TRULY competitive serp where a page ranks without some. Your only answer to the issue is blog commenting and Renting home page backlinks

      Frankly Even some of your regulars in this thread have no clue. Like the one who stated that people shouldn't spend any money on SEO :rolleyes:. You only reveal how little money you make in real life. If I make even $20 an hour why should I spend half an hour writing an article that can be bought for $5. IF my website is properly conceived and can make me $500 a day why would I take time away from it to do everything myself? You don't even understand you are losing money by doing it yourself like any real business person should. Only in many cases you aren't losing money because you aren't making any and HAVE TO do it all yourself.

      I'm sick of it too OP. People coming on the forums acting like they have it down and don't even know that most sites on the Internet rank by getting high quality authority links that are not forum profiles, SenukeX blasts, All article marketing, blog comments or home page backlinks services.

      and many of those serps YOU WILL NOT LAST A MONTH ranking with even if you did get to the front page. Now if you can rank without the above list then you can claim its all child's play but if you only know how to wade around in the kiddie section of the pool don't presume you really know how to swim.

      Bending down in the 3 foot side of the pool and flailing your hands around pretending to swim doesn't count as real swimming
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    • Profile picture of the author Clyde
      Originally Posted by ~kev~ View Post

      I have yet to see anyone post their site in the top 5 of google.

      No exact domain name search
      Has to be your site
      more then 10 or 20 million results

      If SEO is easy, lets see some sites.
      Bro I've got more than 3k+ sites ranking Top 5 for competition much tougher than that but,

      1) That's not how you gauge competition.
      2) Nobody in their right mind would out their niches on a public forum.
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  • Profile picture of the author Tmill
    Great words. Some people are simple minded though and want nothing to do with SEO. Although it is easy for some niches, people think there is more to it.

    It's as simple as: Build links with keywords
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  • Profile picture of the author Michael Nguyen
    With what I've learn't in industry, if you've got resources and budget, SEO becomes easy but you still need to have the ability to apply it.

    I think what we're all trying to establish here is:

    Who knows more seo than who and what it takes but this is what it comes down to.

    1. You have all the SEO skills but no resource or budget
    2. You have all the SEO skills and you have plenty of resources or budget

    and that's the difference.

    Resources and budget plays a massive role in SEO (especially competitive niches) unless you're trying to rank for silly obscure keywords.
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    • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
      Originally Posted by Michael Nguyen View Post

      With what I've learn't in industry, if you've got resources and budget, SEO becomes easy but you still need to have the ability to apply it.
      I agree with that when put that way up to a point. Sure of course you can pay someone else to do the work.

      but doesn't that make anything easy? You can look at any profession and claims it easy because you can hire someone to do it or build it. Thats exactly what the Op makes a blanket general slam against.

      I'm tired of F''ckn people who come to this forum to milk alll the newbs. Tell them abouth- the potentiel of a certain opp and and then start charging them form your services... F**k u!!!!!
      Despite Yukon's reading abilities it implies directly that people should just skip sold/paid services but the reality is some of the same people siding with it are pointing to networks (which are services) that took a great bit of time, expertise and cash to build. So in those cases SEO isn't child's play. Its because the network owners put in the work and expertise to build a high PR network that they can rent space on it (which in that blanket statement of the OP would include blog network services you should just skip).

      really silly stuff but hey its an open board so silly gets in all the time.
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  • Profile picture of the author IM Ash
    Sorry guyz for not replying to this thread...

    My day is full making money online but I will answer all questions during the weekend!!

    Food for thought:


    Look at all the naysayers
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  • Profile picture of the author rafiseo
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    I agree SEO is easy Coz you learned it spending hundreds of hours sitting in front of your PC. Reading articles, threads, blogs, ebooks and finally doing projects & researches.

    Also nowadays SEO becomes easy coz there are lots of paid SEO softwares and services. Also there are lots of freelancing marketplaces from where we can hire freelancers who will work hard for us and we will pay them very little.. M I telling lies??

    Finally SEO is easy coz you have patience and u never give up. But friend when I started learning C (Programming language) it looks like complex for me. But nowadays its very easy for me. It doesn't mean C is an easy programming language in fact may be I got some good knowledge on C.

    DONT UNDERESTIMATE YOUR WON KNOWLEDGE and DONT FORGET THOSE DAYS WHEN YOU WERE ASKING QUESTIONS IN FORUMS...
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  • Profile picture of the author Rough Outline
    Exactly, when it comes down to it, SEO is about quality content and quality backlinks, that is it and you shouldn't forget it.
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  • Profile picture of the author lovboa
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    I said this in another thread, but it has to be said again...

    Warrior Forum is getting GANGSTA!

    Warrior Forum is now Gangsta Forum
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  • Profile picture of the author Gil Doer
    Seo is not easy but it's becoming more and more simple as I learn the processes.

    Reading and filtering knowledge through various (including WF) sources mixed in with personal experiences/experiments is my measuring stick for gaining accurate SEO principles.

    I believe you also have to have a little faith when you're still on the other side or just before seeing some real results from your SEO efforts.

    Even if SEO is so simple (to those that have gone through the effort) deciding what is accurate and what's dead wrong can play tricks with your mind for the more inexperienced IMer's. And in essence it can be like a fish jumping from one hot frying pan to another until you get completely burned out from confusion. The internet is full of opinions and "knowledge" however measuring what's accurate and true can be difficult to figure out.

    With IM SEO to me one of the measuring rods is the first page results on specific keywords.

    I'm sure SEO IS easy after you've jumped through a ton of hoops and have had success with SEO campaigns. It's easier to look behind you because you know what you've already passed.

    Thanks,

    Gil
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  • Profile picture of the author xTrav
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    Originally Posted by Eleva8 View Post

    You know what... stop reading sigs, stop reading anything that makes a bold calim, stop reading what you WANT to hear...

    SEO is easy...

    I'm tired of F''ckn people who come to this forum to milk alll the newbs. Tell them about the potential of a certain opp and and then start charging them for your services... F**k u!!!!!

    Guys, SEO is not rocket science, and all these people who like to complicate everything are people who are not willing to tell you how easy SEO is! WHY? Because, they rather make a quick buck off of you!

    Do your due dilligence... search the forum and you will find your answers...


    You know what... I left all the BULL I hear on the forum and I started targeting keywords that no one targets and I started realizing what small minds are here on forums.... you can make money in any niche.... REGARDLESS of what anyone says!!!
    I agree! I am ready to DO WORK SON!
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  • Profile picture of the author scott g
    Originally Posted by Eleva8 View Post

    You know what... stop reading sigs, stop reading anything that makes a bold calim, stop reading what you WANT to hear...

    SEO is easy...

    I'm tired of F''ckn people who come to this forum to milk alll the newbs. Tell them about the potential of a certain opp and and then start charging them for your services... F**k u!!!!!

    Guys, SEO is not rocket science, and all these people who like to complicate everything are people who are not willing to tell you how easy SEO is! WHY? Because, they rather make a quick buck off of you!

    Do your due dilligence... search the forum and you will find your answers...


    You know what... I left all the BULL I hear on the forum and I started targeting keywords that no one targets and I started realizing what small minds are here on forums.... you can make money in any niche.... REGARDLESS of what anyone says!!!

    Yeah whatever you do don't listen to YUKON b/c he has NO idea what he's talking about!! Ha LOL!

    Excellent post - more of a vent than a post - but nonetheless still an excellent post... This is why I very rarely visit the SEO subforum anymore. This is actually why I very rarely visit Warrior Forums... It gets redundant; its the same thing being asked over, and over, and over again. And if something isn't being asked, it's someone making a bold, bullsh*t post to stir up sh*t or to promote their WSO or link in their signature... It gets ridiculously redundant. Use the damn SEARCH function that the WF has so graciously provided everyone with... :rolleyes:

    SEO is easy. I honestly don't understand how there can be SOOO many different methods??!! In actuality, there really isn't... If you read every "How to SEO" out there, they may read or flow a little differently, but they're all going to come back to the same core/standard methods/techniques...

    CHEERS!
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  • Profile picture of the author JerrickYeoh
    SEO methods is fix and dead. You can learn it all easily.
    The problem of many people looking for SEO service because they do not have time and resource on it.
    It maybe bored by keep on building backlink manually.
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  • Profile picture of the author caskofdregs
    Yukon, I love your sig. I have been listening to quite a lot of GnR recently and those two songs were among my favorites. Besides the obvious ones I also love Bad Obsession, Locomotive, 14 Years. Ah that's not all though. GnR is so awesome.

    Sorry for off topic!
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  • Profile picture of the author epathj
    SEO is childs play.. However, getting your web pages ranked for decent keywords takes work, patience and quality.
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  • Profile picture of the author sanjon
    I completely disagree with you.. It takes months, maybe a few websites for some one like me to call myself a Good seo..
    Its not rocket science but still not everyone has the right expertise and experience + time and devotion to do seo.
    If people are charging you $400 or $500 per month, there ought to be a reason behind it..
    I do try to alter my strategies every 7-10 days if the results do not come in my favour..
    Not every one has the expertise to choose the best strategies..
    How many links do I need, from articles or from videos?? Should I do social website marketing or not?? there are countless questions one needs to sort out..
    People can try and do there on page, off page but sustaining there positions on first page is not so easy..
    Thats just my 2 cents...
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  • Profile picture of the author SilentX
    That gets a big wow from me. Quite extensive and intensive to say the least. You could run quite a nice business just offering a service that covers all these bases for clients. I know I'd pay handsomely for something like that.
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  • Profile picture of the author Matthew Shelton
    Come on, it's SO easy
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  • Profile picture of the author blairlockout
    I agree, there are alot of false claims on this site, but there is some good information and ideas here and there.
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  • Profile picture of the author neil_patmore
    Please stop with your rubbish and tell me what is the button to push for quick success with no effort?
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  • Profile picture of the author GeorgR.
    Playing soccer is also "easy", but this doesn't mean everyone does it.

    Look at my landlord's website, they have a real estate website where there are a ZILLION really, really great keywords.

    Before i did some courtesy work on their site they were NOT in Google for ONE single keyword. NADA. ZILCH.

    The average webmaster, biz owner etc. knows NOTHING about SEO.
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    • Profile picture of the author owenlee
      Originally Posted by GeorgR. View Post

      Playing soccer is also "easy", but this doesn't mean everyone does it.

      Look at my landlord's website, they have a real estate website where there are a ZILLION really, really great keywords.

      Before i did some courtesy work on their site they were NOT in Google for ONE single keyword. NADA. ZILCH.

      The average webmaster, biz owner etc. knows NOTHING about SEO.
      That is good news to us!keke
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  • Profile picture of the author MrFlippy
    It's all a bit like the Victorian cookery book that starts one section with "First, catch your fish", the assumption being that catching a fish is easy. SEO is easy only with time and experience. My day job is "easy" and it only took me 20 years to get there.
    Keep on truckin!
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  • Profile picture of the author Royce Space
    I agree. SEO is easy but a lot people make this complicated. I just laughed at them. Even if it's high competition keywords, it takes time but nothing complicated.
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  • Profile picture of the author chrislangley
    I agree that the fundamentals of SEO can be picked up, ofcourse getting the backlinks to make you rank high for a competitive phrase is another matter
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  • Profile picture of the author High Horsepower
    If SEO is childs play then how come only 1 site makes it to the first position on Google?

    Why isn't everyone on Page One?

    All my sites are on Page One because I first do awesome Onpage SEO, score a 100%, then I move on to OFFpage tactics.

    I think it's BS that people make it seem easy.

    It takes WORK and Persistence.

    HH
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    • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
      Originally Posted by High Horsepower View Post

      I think it's BS that people make it seem easy.

      It takes WORK and Persistence.
      Of course it is. When people say its easy you know they are new or just hang out where there is no competition getting scraps. running can be hard work or it can be easy. Run against a child around the block you can beat them easily with no practice. Run in the olympics against the world's best and see how easy it is to compete.
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