by Trevor
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Hello everyone,

I'm not making this post to moan, I know that being liked by Google is sometimes a hard task and it can get on one's nerves.

I'm rather seeking advice on what to do and what you think is going to happen next.

The site I'm talking about was #8 for its main keyword and ranked pretty well for other long tail keywords. It was getting about 150 UVs per day, until yesterday.

It is now nowhere to be seen in the first 150 results on Google for the main keyword. Also, its rankings dropped drastically for the other keywords it had been getting traffic from. Now I get about 10 UVs per day.

However, none of the pages of my site got de-indexed, when I put site:mysite.com, it still shows that all pages are indexed.

What I've been doing recently with the site is, I've been making a post per day, I also picked the older posts and submitted them to article directories (one per day) with no changes, linking to the related post, plus I was creating my own articles, span them and submitted them to article directories and web 2.0 sites. I've also been building backlinks via profile and signature links and blog commenting. All that I did manually, about 20 links per day, do you think this could affect the rankings?

Or could this be the so-called Google Dance, and how long it may take for my rankings to come back?

Thanks!
Trevor
#dance #google #rankings #seo #slap
  • Profile picture of the author lovboa
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    The site you are talking about...how long was it at #8 and other positions before falling?
    Unless it was sitting at top positions for a considerable amount of time before falling, I don't
    think you should panic.

    And the things you stated you've been doing recently...do you mean that these are new things you are doing recently that you haven't been doing before?
    If so...this could be just a google dance before you move up in the serps.
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    • Profile picture of the author Trevor
      Originally Posted by lovboa View Post

      The site you are talking about...how long was it at #8 and other positions before falling?
      Unless it was sitting at top positions for a considerable amount of time before falling, I don't
      think you should panic.

      And the things you stated you've been doing recently...do you mean that these are new things you are doing recently that you haven't been doing before?
      If so...this could be just a google dance before you move up in the serps.
      The things - I've been doing them for about two weeks now, but that doesn't mean I wasn't doing any backlinking before. Just less than that.

      The site had been ranked #8 for around 3 weeks before it disappeared. It is about 3 months old.
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      • Profile picture of the author sweetheater
        Originally Posted by Trevor View Post

        The things - I've been doing them for about two weeks now, but that doesn't mean I wasn't doing any backlinking before. Just less than that.

        The site had been ranked #8 for around 3 weeks before it disappeared. It is about 3 months old.
        Can you check if the website is in 5th or 6th page...I could see similary pattern with one of my websites that is three months old
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        • Profile picture of the author blue5
          Same thing happened to me yestarday :S I also panic because im losing serious cash right now. I didn't spam links
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          • Profile picture of the author sweetheater
            Originally Posted by blue5 View Post

            Same thing happened to me yestarday :S I also panic because im losing serious cash right now. I didn't spam links
            What is your website....how months old ?
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        • Profile picture of the author Trevor
          Originally Posted by sweetheater View Post

          Can you check if the website is in 5th or 6th page...I could see similary pattern with one of my websites that is three months old
          No it's not even in the first 15 pages. Nowhere to be seen.
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  • Profile picture of the author marksmit
    As your website is not in first page then ultimately you'll loose Unique visitors. Just wait 3-4 days and if it is a case of Google dance then you'll get your website back in first page again. if not then try to analyze your website and check the back links.
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  • Profile picture of the author lovboa
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    I think you should give it more time. It was only gone yesterday. This is very common. Usually it comes back to a more higher position so just wait it out. It is only a day. At least wait 1 week.

    And your site is still new and young so that makes it even more common that you go into a google dance.
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  • Profile picture of the author josephmerlin
    Yes The Same happened to me my website is one year old but I have started work on the website about three months before my site is ranked well in start and now staying at 5th and 6th page.

    I have never do backlinks and any kind of SEO. Now three weeks passed but my website is not up

    Tell me either it is google dance or i have to do backlinks for my website.
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  • Profile picture of the author ttkim
    Kind of similar to me. Mine actually got hit two days ago. My main keyword dropped exactly to 100. Many of my other pages are around there as well. I've just been building backlinks as I always do, and I'm going to wait it out.

    Also, it's annoying having to manually check the results. When I try to use Rank Tracker, it leaves a lot of them blank, and I'm guessing it's because Google has "blocked" my IP temporarily. Using automated methods is against their TOS so I have to fill in a captcha now and then manually check my rankings.
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    • Profile picture of the author tonywarrior2
      Originally Posted by ttkim View Post

      Kind of similar to me. Mine actually got hit two days ago. My main keyword dropped exactly to 100. Many of my other pages are around there as well. I've just been building backlinks as I always do, and I'm going to wait it out.

      Also, it's annoying having to manually check the results. When I try to use Rank Tracker, it leaves a lot of them blank, and I'm guessing it's because Google has "blocked" my IP temporarily. Using automated methods is against their TOS so I have to fill in a captcha now and then manually check my rankings.
      I also use rank checker and have run into this problem, it's a pain. There are two things you can do:
      1. Set rank checker to emulate a human searching and increase the number of seconds between each page, and each search.
      2. Use a proxy server which switches proxy every 20 seconds or so.
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      • Profile picture of the author rimam1
        I'm having the same exact issue. I started a new backlinking campaign but my site has dropped to page 2 and even page 10 for some keywords. I did install the SearchTermsTagging 2 plugin which sounds great, but it created a bunch of tags which I Google apparently doesn't like.

        I deleted the plugin and removed the offending pages via robots.txt. It's been 2 weeks and I've seen no improvements.

        Anyone else have success bringing their site back up in the SERP's? I'm thinking of moving my content to a new domain and just killing this site.

        Thanks,
        Raza
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        • Profile picture of the author karismasand
          I notice that is good to start promoting your site (back links) only after your site has indexed and appear on SERPS. This works for MNS.

          Today is very dangerous to start build links for a new site.

          Good luck!
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        • Profile picture of the author tigerwar
          Hey Raza,

          Sorry for not getting back to your pm earlier and I thought I'd answer the question here as it may interest others.

          The site affected by the plugin is actually on it's way back up, although it is a slow climb but I must say, I left the SearchTermsTagging 2 plugin on the site and didn't do anything. In fact I haven't even created any new posts for about 5 months and it's climbing back up(but it is a very well optimized site).
          Anyways, I'm not going to touch it at the moment(matter of priorities)

          You said your site is still down....where exactly 100, 200 or ? and is google still registering any descrepancies?

          I ask because you mentioned blocking the links via Robot.txt...This can backfire if you are using an XML Sitemap generator within wordpress simultaneously...they would both be read by google which in turn creates more problems for the spiders(conflicting instructions)

          If so, you'll need to delete the robot.txt and click "rebuild the sitemap manually" within the xml plugin and ensure you have the " Add sitemap URL to the virtual robots.txt file" checked.

          cheers
          TW
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  • Profile picture of the author bamstk090
    it seem you got google dance
    same like me
    my site : Hot Smartphones
    lose position from page one google
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  • Profile picture of the author ninaE
    It could be the Google Dance if you have been actively link building.
    I would say continue link building but instead use the website name as the anchor text, one of the easiest ways to do it quickly is run a quick submission on SocialMonkee (link in sig) and thehn you should be back within the week!
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  • Profile picture of the author sweetheater
    Is there anyone who has recovered from their fall to page 5 or 6 and got back their ranking...Any tips ?
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    • Profile picture of the author josephmerlin
      Originally Posted by sweetheater View Post

      Is there anyone who has recovered from their fall to page 5 or 6 and got back their ranking...Any tips ?

      Yes I am also waiting for this thing Please tell :confused:
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      • Profile picture of the author webs4softs
        Dear Friend, You should start a link wheel on different server based websites like tumblr. wordpress, blogger etc. I assure you that you will get good ranking within 15 days or less time. Best of Luck
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        • Profile picture of the author sweetheater
          Originally Posted by webs4softs View Post

          Dear Friend, You should start a link wheel on different server based websites like tumblr. wordpress, blogger etc. I assure you that you will get good ranking within 15 days or less time. Best of Luck
          Have you done it in the past and got back your website to page 1 ?? I am seeing this kind of penalty/dance from google to a lot of people these days even with quality content....What I am not sure is whether its a penalty or a google dance and how to recover from it..
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        • Profile picture of the author josephmerlin
          Originally Posted by webs4softs View Post

          Dear Friend, You should start a link wheel on different server based websites like tumblr. wordpress, blogger etc. I assure you that you will get good ranking within 15 days or less time. Best of Luck

          How I do this ? Please explain a little I am very new in web world
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          • Profile picture of the author blue5
            I found my problem... why I got penalty.

            My another website on the same server links to my site (69 backlinks) on every page. So this is I guess the reason i got sandboxed. Hope it helps!
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            • Profile picture of the author Trevor
              Originally Posted by blue5 View Post

              I found my problem... why I got penalty.

              My website on the same server link to my site (69 backlinks) on every page. So this is I guess the reason i got sandboxed. Hope it helps!
              This is not the case with me... Anyway, thanks for sharing!
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            • Profile picture of the author sweetheater
              Originally Posted by blue5 View Post

              I found my problem... why I got penalty.

              My another website on the same server links to my site (69 backlinks) on every page. So this is I guess the reason i got sandboxed. Hope it helps!
              I too had done that,but its not like both the websites are in the same serve,they both belong to me though.You think this could be the problem ?
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    • Profile picture of the author sweetheater
      Originally Posted by mahni1390 View Post

      I think you should be patient and note that quality content is very important.
      avoid spamming .
      My content is unique and I updated the site regularly too!!
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      • Profile picture of the author Jacko
        Originally Posted by josephmerlin View Post

        How I do this ? Please explain a little I am very new in web world

        J-Merlin, just spin some articles
        and create pages/websites on Blogger, WPress,
        Tumblr with a link to your sandboxed website.

        Any doubt just PM me, than I'll explain better.
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  • Profile picture of the author RevSEO
    What kind of backlinks have you built recently? This is probably nothing more than a Google dance that a lot of websites go through at one point or another when building backlinks artificially.
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  • Profile picture of the author StephanAdams
    Google dance/sandbox could last 1-2 weeks or 1 to 3 months sometimes more. Depends on what kind of links you build and of course 100 other factors.
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    • Profile picture of the author larkykid
      Expect your site to come back, in a higher position than before. When that happens, no one can really say. You just need to be patient and keep doing what you're doing.
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  • Profile picture of the author tigerwar
    The following applies to new PR0 websites:

    If your site was ranking page #1 and not dancing up and down between pages it is in 99% the dance. Don't worry about it and keep catering for content as usual, but it is important to keep the additional content related to the niche. Diversifying can cause your site to be re-categorised if the newer content dominates the older ones.
    In other words...if your site is about fat dogs, don't start entering content about pink elephants.

    Keyword stuffing will always be penalized, use related terms(LSI). Any keywords found under the main keywords in GKT are related terms

    The keywords on your homepage should total between 4-5% density and the individual posts (related) should be MAX. 2.5% and min 1.8%. You can check this using the free FireFox plugin "SeaQuake".

    Anyone blasting 500+ backlinks to a new website at once might just as well write to google directly and ask them to degrade their site...backlinks should be spread evenly over a period of months to ensure a natural behavior. It is expected from the algorithm that E.G. "News" website can get 1000's of backlinks overnight, but the average direct backlinks within a typical niche are also calculated. So any form of unexpected high activity sticks out like a sore thumb.

    If you want to blast then do B2B (backlinks to backlinks).

    Once your at the top, keep pumping content, more than one or two "related" articles p/week aren't necessary and continue the B2B to those posts using E.g RSS agrigators.
    Most people stop doing this once at the top, believing their goals have been achieved...that's a big newbie mistake, neither the competition nor google ever sleep.

    If your backlinks have 0 activity they will lose any importance hence ensure they ALL get regularly pinged, there are many free and paid tools that do this.

    By following these simple steps, any site can get to #1 and stay there, some within days and some within weeks dependant upon the activity of the competition and if you follow these rules/guides and still suddenly drop in the rankings, rest assured in 99% a dance is in progress.

    cheers
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  • Profile picture of the author manish123
    Originally Posted by Trevor View Post

    The site I'm talking about was #8 for its main keyword and ranked pretty well for other long tail keywords. It was getting about 150 UVs per day, until yesterday.

    It is now nowhere to be seen in the first 150 results on Google for the main keyword. Also, its rankings dropped drastically for the other keywords it had been getting traffic from. Now I get about 10 UVs per day.
    Hi Trevor, The sites might have disappeared for now from search engine but you will see the increase in ranking in a day or so. There are chances that the ranking will fluctuate very often for a week or two before getting a stable. Thats because the links you posted recently are being effective. I have done seo for several sites and keywords and this is common. Whenever I perform SEO i keep the track of rankings almost everyday from ranktracker. The graph is very unstable in the begining or when i perform a new SEO campaign on a keyword but after a long time.

    Originally Posted by Trevor View Post

    What I've been doing recently with the site is, I've been making a post per day, I also picked the older posts and submitted them to article directories (one per day) with no changes, linking to the related post, plus I was creating my own articles, span them and submitted them to article directories and web 2.0 sites. I've also been building backlinks via profile and signature links and blog commenting. All that I did manually, about 20 links per day, do you think this could affect the rankings?
    Whatever backlinks you're posting does not have a negetive effect. The amount of backlinking you are doing does not show that you are spamming. I have worked with signature link, article directories & web 2.0 sites and i have got excellent results from them & I am sure that you will get back the rankings.

    Regards,
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    • Profile picture of the author Trevor
      Originally Posted by manish123 View Post

      Hi Trevor, The sites might have disappeared for now from search engine but you will see the increase in ranking in a day or so. There are chances that the ranking will fluctuate very often for a week or two before getting a stable. Thats because the links you posted recently are being effective. I have done seo for several sites and keywords and this is common. Whenever I perform SEO i keep the track of rankings almost everyday from ranktracker. The graph is very unstable in the begining or when i perform a new SEO campaign on a keyword but after a long time.



      Whatever backlinks you're posting does not have a negetive effect. The amount of backlinking you are doing does not show that you are spamming. I have worked with signature link, article directories & web 2.0 sites and i have got excellent results from them & I am sure that you will get back the rankings.

      Regards,
      Manish
      Thanks for your kind words, you have motivated me to stick with what I have been doing recently.

      Originally Posted by larkykid View Post

      Expect your site to come back, in a higher position than before. When that happens, no one can really say. You just need to be patient and keep doing what you're doing.
      Well, I hope it will be in the scope of days rather than weeks or months, as I´m now losing out on a nice income stream.

      Originally Posted by tigerwar View Post

      The following applies to new PR0 websites:

      If your site was ranking page #1 and not dancing up and down between pages it is in 99% the dance. Don't worry about it and keep catering for content as usual, but it is important to keep the additional content related to the niche. Diversifying can cause your site to be re-categorised if the newer content dominates the older ones.
      In other words...if your site is about fat dogs, don't start entering content about pink elephants.

      Keyword stuffing will always be penalized, use related terms(LSI). Any keywords found under the main keywords in GKT are related terms

      The keywords on your homepage should total between 4-5% density and the individual posts (related) should be MAX. 2.5% and min 1.8%. You can check this using the free FireFox plugin "SeaQuake".

      Anyone blasting 500+ backlinks to a new website at once might just as well write to google directly and ask them to degrade their site...backlinks should be spread evenly over a period of months to ensure a natural behavior. It is expected from the algorithm that E.G. "News" website can get 1000's of backlinks overnight, but the average direct backlinks within a typical niche are also calculated. So any form of unexpected high activity sticks out like a sore thumb.

      If you want to blast then do B2B (backlinks to backlinks).

      Once your at the top, keep pumping content, more than one or two "related" articles p/week aren't necessary and continue the B2B to those posts using E.g RSS agrigators.
      Most people stop doing this once at the top, believing their goals have been achieved...that's a big newbie mistake, neither the competition nor google ever sleep.

      If your backlinks have 0 activity they will lose any importance hence ensure they ALL get regularly pinged, there are many free and paid tools that do this.

      By following these simple steps, any site can get to #1 and stay there, some within days and some within weeks dependant upon the activity of the competition and if you follow these rules/guides and still suddenly drop in the rankings, rest assured in 99% a dance is in progress.

      cheers
      TW
      Wow, thank you for your comprehensive answer. In fact, my site´s home page is PR2.

      What I find hard to do is keep track of all the backlinks I create - How do you guys do that? Do you really copy and paste every backlink´s URL into a sheet and ping them often?
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      • Profile picture of the author tigerwar
        Originally Posted by Trevor View Post

        Thanks for your kind words, you have motivated me to stick with what I have been doing recently.



        Well, I hope it will be in the scope of days rather than weeks or months, as I´m now losing out on a nice income stream.



        Wow, thank you for your comprehensive answer. In fact, my site´s home page is PR2.

        What I find hard to do is keep track of all the backlinks I create - How do you guys do that? Do you really copy and paste every backlink´s URL into a sheet and ping them often?
        Hi Trevor,

        Of course, that is the big Q

        There are tools available that automate these chors and make thing much much easier.

        The principle is fairly simply and the point of B2B is to AVOID index-spaming. Too many DIRECT backlinks to a single page is suicide!

        This is how it works....

        Submit articles , videos, social media, Web 2.0 or whatever to the directories, these in turn backlink to your site(DIRECT backlinks).

        Your site also has an included RSS feed which you can submit to to rss aggregators such as feedburner.com or feedag.com and a few others. You can enter your individual posts and Backlinks manually by E.g using Yahoo Pipes where they're bundled in to one (or more)RSS Feeds and then submit these to the aggregators

        Another good semi-automated method is using Socialmonkee.com with an integrated spinner for the descriptions, keywords and titles.

        B2B is basically repeating this method but now creating RSS Feeds to the Feeds already created.

        Last but not least, you need a list of all the URLs and this depends on how you submit. E.G AMR is a great article submitter which spits out a list of all the directories it submits to. If you use services, they should provide you with a list of URL submissions.....anyways, the tedious part is doing all the above manually.

        So you need to convert these URLS to Feeds and then the most important part is keeping these links alive. That means....if no-one ever clicks on the links, they will simply be ignored by the search engines and all of your backlinking efforts were done in vain(simply wasted time and money).

        This following program takes all the work out it, it converts your URLs automatically to Feeds and ensures they get pinged once every 24 hours, the initial stage might seem a little time consuming but once set up, the whole process is automated and believe me...it worth it.

        Doing all this manually is a killer and also where most people give up due to the monotony and time consumption. tip: You can get the converter seperately but if get the pinger first, the converter is included

        hope that helps
        cheers
        TW
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  • Profile picture of the author commoditytrainer
    @ tigerwar,

    You are absolute correct, you cannot have too many inbound links pointing to a page of your site, which is a death sentence to your website in a split second. I have seen site receive inbound links into the thousands from sites, by accident, but told them you may want to ask the webmaster of the site not to spam your site with all the inbound links.
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  • Profile picture of the author outwest
    a -50 google slap is not a "google dance" IMO
    You may recover but it may be a permanent penalty,
    I would not sit around on my hands hoping it will come back

    if it does , then great
    but what if it doesnt? and you wasted weeks or months pumping new content or backlinks to it? then you are even more screwed
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    • Profile picture of the author tigerwar
      Originally Posted by outwest View Post

      a -50 google slap is not a "google dance" IMO
      You may recover but it may be a permanent penalty,
      I would not sit around on my hands hoping it will come back

      if it does , then great
      but what if it doesnt? and you wasted weeks or months pumping new content or backlinks to it? then you are even more screwed
      I've had a few sites within the first 4 months getting knocked down to -50 and more, especially when adding new content and in niches with high and strong keyword competition.(and I have about 200 sites)

      Any radical changes made during this phase in an attempt to rectify "unknown problems" is pointless and IMHO plain stupid.

      Trevor, just continue pumping content as I mentioned above...DON'T make any changes to the way you have been doing things to date(unless of course you were overdoing things -> then reduce), it will simply cause more confusion. Just wait a couple of days first.

      cheers
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      • Profile picture of the author outwest
        Originally Posted by tigerwar View Post

        I've had a few sites within the first 4 months getting knocked down to -50 and more, especially when adding new content and in niches with high and strong keyword competition.(and I have about 200 sites)

        Any radical changes made during this phase in an attempt to rectify "unknown problems" is pointless and IMHO plain stupid.

        Trevor, just continue pumping content as I mentioned above...DON'T make any changes to the way you have been doing things to date(unless of course you were overdoing things -> then reduce), it will simply cause more confusion. Just wait a couple of days first.

        cheers
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  • Profile picture of the author tigerwar
    All but 2.

    One was a test site which I used to abuse every rule possible. One day it was just too much, I blasted 1500 links overnight and it was degraded to the the supps.

    the second was quite interesting...I was using a great free plugin called "SEO SearchTerms Tagging 2" which had been running for about 4 months.

    My site was #1 and the plugin contributed a lot to getting there. During a server transfer(which I didn't know was happening at that moment) I updated the plugin and it broke off in middle.

    Basically, months of externally collected links disappeared from the surface of my website and google just threw out 100s of 404(not found) links. It is slowly recovering as new terms are added but it was quite a shock at the time.

    This just goes to prove how much ON-Page optimization counts. The site is highly optimize for the Serps but due something totally unexpected the SEO was made null and void.

    Just food for thought so that others don't make a similar mistake and always have ready backup. My backup was 2 months old, so it couldn't replace the missing links!

    cheers
    TW
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    • Profile picture of the author Trevor
      That's just great, Tiger, thank you a ton. I am going to buy the script.

      As I wrote before, I've been writing one article per day, spinning it and then submitting it to about 20 article directories and 20 web 2.0 sites per day. All of these spun articles point to the related page on my site AND the home page, this way I create a number of backlinks for each of my site's pages on a daily basis.

      Do you think such a number of backlinks made per day, all pointing to the same page, could do harm? By the way, I deep spin the article, rewrite each paragraph five times, each sentence three times and then also word by word. I even spin anchor texts.

      My thinking was, since it takes some time for the article directories to approve my articles, it should be just fine because the articles, in fact, won't get published the same day. What's your opinion, please?
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  • Profile picture of the author tigerwar
    Hi Trevor,

    well I don't see any overkill doing 20 articles per WEEK to the article directories but if you are doing the same day in day out with the same web 2.0 sites and directories then it's a pretty obvious footprint and could be classed as spaming the index.

    You should reduce and VARY those numbers from 20 to 40 per week, not 40 per day.

    Don't forget...if your articles are good, the right people will post them on their sites, right people meaning high PR sites but also, whether they are good or bad articles, the scammers/spammers and normal sites will also post them on their blogs giving you an automated exponetial growth. Basically, there is no need to post so many and especially NOT to the same page or on a strict number per day.

    I never do more than 2 spun articles per MONTH to about 2-300 directories and the normal social bookmarking, but the power lies in the B2B. These create 1000s of backlinks exponentially without lifting a finger and more important, without direct linking = no index-spaming!

    It's time to backlink to those backlinks and give your site a break IMHO, otherwise it will become too obvious what your're doing(if they haven't already caught onto it).

    cheers
    TW
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    • Profile picture of the author Trevor
      I'm now thinking about how to be doing backlinking in the future. From what I've learned from your great answers, I've been doing a couple of things wrong.

      If you could comment on my plan, I'd be more than glad.

      My available backlink resources:

      Unique spun articles via ~20 article directories
      The same unique spun article via ~20 web 2.0 sites
      Copied articles from my website via the ~20 article directories
      Links from Social Monkee - 25 per day
      Links from the Free Traffic System - I've been uploading my spun articles here, too.
      Links from Automatic Backlinks - I have about 25 backlinks pointing to my site now.
      Profile & Signature backlinks via ~10 unrelated forums
      Blog comments - I can make about 20 per day or more

      I've never done B2B before, all my backlinks point directly to my site. That's why I want to restructuralize the way I've been doing it.

      Could anyone give me advice on which backlinks should be tier 1 and which ones tier 2? And how many tier 1 backlinks to make for one page on my site, and how many tier 2 to make for that tier 1 backlink page?
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  • Profile picture of the author london710
    @Tigerwar, i see u use seo search tagging 2, what are your settings? do you use the 'link to search pages' in the widget option? i am using this plugin myself, but need help finding the best settings (and avoid being banned by google..

    @OP, i had a site dissappear for a month as well. I said, what the heck let me throw some fiverr high pr backlinks gigs at it, to see if it would come back, as it that point it couldnt hurt. it came back. I cant say if it would have happened without the gigs eventually, but it did come back.
    kas
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  • Profile picture of the author tigerwar
    it's now 06:00 am across here, been working all night on a project so I'll try to catch up on the Qs later

    cheers
    TW
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  • Profile picture of the author dagaul101
    Let's hope it's a Google Dance, some have said scaling up what you are doing and varying the submissions will get you out of a Google Dance
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  • Profile picture of the author Debtlocal
    now these days this is the common question certainly asked by people. after google panda updates there are so much unexpected things are going on so we can't do any thing just wait to get back your listing again.
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  • Profile picture of the author julianbooth123
    As your site is only 3 months old it may be suffering from Google dance. Just continue to create the backlinks and you would see your rankings coming back to normal or even better position.
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  • Profile picture of the author lawefft
    i think we have have active backlink and updated our blog, so there will have daily ping and it will maintain the rank
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  • Profile picture of the author tigerwar
    There is a simple golden rule for backlinks...VARIATION

    The google algorithm is a MACHINE, you can't bribe a machine! It's a calculator not a Human.
    it works on a logical basis, 1+1+1+1+1.

    It is a highly complex system that attempts to "simulate" the human intelligence but due the missing blueprint, mistakes are inevitable.

    20+20+20 though can't be mistaken and in the reason you should NEVER do backlinks on fixed basis. Think Human and you won't give the algorithm any chance of spotting a footprint 5+1+10+7+20 (in terms of links per day)

    Google is (as we see it) a machine but behind the lines there's a human being who owns a business and the prime goal is keep customers from moving to other search engines in order to make money. If they give 10 spammers the chance to "steal" money by means of monopolizing the market with BS and thereby depriving 100's of serious businessess from earning a living, well it wouldn't take long and google would be out of business.

    Hence so many updates. They will never be perfect but they're getting better and faster at spotting the spammers.
    Whats possible today will possibly be penalized tomorrow. So think HUMAN and you'll create backlinks automatically and make money. Think like a spammer and you might make money today but be bankrupt tomorrow.

    Trevor, there's nothing really wrong with your strategy, but the numbers are too blatant, just vary those figures and spread them UNEVENLY and sporadically between the sources. As it is, it sticks out like a sore thumb, 1+1.

    Another aspect is traffic. Backlinks ARE NOT or DO NOT mean traffic. Unless they're actually being clicked on to go to your site, they're simply statistics. There's no point in paying for a 1000 backlinks if none of them will be clicked on. Being #1 does NOT mean traffic if your in a niche that expects 3 clicks per day and pointless if you're promting something that people can buy for $2.00

    Google includes ACTIVITY in their algo, so you have to ensure the those backlinks are pinged in order to simulate the activity E.g with this tool but this too, should be done on a regular basis and also at different times and days in order to avoid a footprint.

    As I mentioned above, don't do any radical changes when the dance hits you. The "dance" is simply a reorganisation of the millions of new entries google gets pounded with every hour, so it can take a few days to resort the billions already in the index. If the site doesn't come back within a couple of days even a week or settles at a lower position, then you know that something has to changed.

    If you drop after about a week (NOT BEFORE) to arround 200-400, basically you've been penalized which doesn't mean de-indexed but it can take a few months to get back and that depends on how conesqent you are(but it is easy and doesn't cost money). You will have to add one article per week, highly related to the main keywords (meaning well optimized) to your site and continue the backlinking strategy in the manner that I mentioned above. In 99% your site will come back with shining stars.

    There is NO need to start buying high PR backlinks (although this does help if done correctly), the problem with doing that is that google also sees when you STOP doing it.

    Basically you need a good HUMAN mix of everything.

    Better than any kind of artificial backlinking is direct traffic which is last but not least, the essence of creating a website in the first place. Real traffic kills two birds with one stone; it brings cash into your pockets and creates exponetial backlink possibilities. I'm not going to list how to do that here but I have source for you to look at, this guy is, in my opinion one of the best experts in the new aera of SEO and Traffic today. He explains everything here in great detail and gives all the necessary sources.

    Write for Humans, there's no point in trying to impress machines!

    cheers
    TW
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  • Profile picture of the author Trevor
    Hello everybody,

    my site is back to the SERPs, though now it is placed poorly at position 34 for the main keyword. But it is at least something, it's still better than being placed nowhere.

    I hope that it will jump up to at least where it used to be - number 8.

    Cheers,
    Trevor
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