How to steal your competitors backlinks

14 years ago

This isn't really "stealing", but smart research and marketing. All you are doing is getting backlinks at the same places as your competitors and that is just smart.

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bamstk090

14 years ago

Steal competitor backlinks maybe good
but i think create your own backlinks was better

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capitalalchemy

14 years ago

This is not smart at all. As someone who has done this probably 50+ times, Google will punish your site for having the same back links, or even a handful of them. Believe it. They can detect all sorts of deceit, and I have tested this many times to be sure.

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blackhawkup

Banned 14 years ago

as somebody who does this for offline clients what you just said is not true at all.

--if that was the case programs like scrapebox and senuke would never sell.
--programs such as bookmarking demon would not exist

so you mean to tell me every time somebody bookmarks a site they are in fact "hurting" that site. Sorry buddy I don't know what test you ran but thats not true at all.

similar to what the op said..one of the smartest ways of beating your competition is to find out where they are getting their links from and do that same thing.

google updates the algorithm almost every 17.5 hours. (although most of them are minor changes they are changes none the less). So Me and my two partners have hired an assistant that does nothing but test seo tactics and tracks their results over time... (this gives us more ammunition with our offline clients).

So if "duplicate links" were ever a problem we would definitely know.

Thats almost as bad as people believing in "duplicate content"

~~I know my stuff~~

Originally Posted by capitalalchemy

This is not smart at all. As someone who has done this probably 50+ times, Google will punish your site for having the same back links, or even a handful of them. Believe it. They can detect all sorts of deceit, and I have tested this many times to be sure.

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Benjamin Ehinger

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Rich Jackson

as somebody who does this for offline clients what you just said is not true at all.

--if that was the case programs like scrapebox and senuke would never sell.
--programs such as bookmarking demon would not exist

so you mean to tell me every time somebody bookmarks a site they are in fact "hurting" that site. Sorry buddy I don't know what test you ran but thats not true at all.

similar to what the op said..one of the smartest ways of beating your competition is to find out where they are getting their links from and do that same thing.

google updates the algorithm almost every 17.5 hours. (although most of them are minor changes they are changes none the less). So Me and my two partners have hired an assistant that does nothing but test seo tactics and tracks their results over time... (this gives us more ammunition with our offline clients).

So if "duplicate links" were ever a problem we would definitely know.

Thats almost as bad as people believing in "duplicate content"

~~I know my stuff~~

You are absolutely right and it would not make any sense to have a duplicate link penalty. This is another one of those myths used to convince others not to do something that actually works.

Benjamin Ehinger

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Tony Marriott

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Benjamin Ehinger

This isn't really "stealing", but smart research and marketing. All you are doing is getting backlinks at the same places as your competitors and that is just smart.

Benjamin Ehinger

Exactly! This is the very kind of thinking and activities that will drive successful business. Work smarter, reduce the time it takes to complete tasks etc.

For backlinking though use Open Site Explorer rather than Yahoo as the backlinks are listed in order or "authority". That way you can identify and target the high value links first (even smarter!!)

Originally Posted by bamstk090

Steal competitor backlinks maybe good
but i think create your own backlinks was better

It's not really stealing

You are still creating your own links.

Often called ethical stealing or legal stealing this is one way to monitor your competitors activities and benefit from that information. Standard business practice.

Originally Posted by capitalalchemy

This is not smart at all. As someone who has done this probably 50+ times, Google will punish your site for having the same back links, or even a handful of them. Believe it. They can detect all sorts of deceit, and I have tested this many times to be sure.

Sorry but that is just plain wrong. It is not deceit, it's simply identifying where you can get backlinks from.

Do you really think Google can tell if you saw the site in yahoo explorer before you added a link? If a link is wrong then it's wrong, no matter what prompted you to make the decision to add it.

And why would you continue to follow the same process that apparently damaged your websites 50+ times?

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thedog

14 years ago

Originally Posted by capitalalchemy

This is not smart at all. As someone who has done this probably 50+ times, Google will punish your site for having the same back links, or even a handful of them. Believe it. They can detect all sorts of deceit, and I have tested this many times to be sure.

What do you mean by this?

I'm assuming you mean if it's in the exact same niche... if this is true, then it's good to know... although I'm not sure if it's true or not.

I use this method, but have used high ranking sites in different niches... now google is smart, but how are they going to know anything if the site where I found the back link has nothing to do with mine?

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Tony Marriott

14 years ago

Originally Posted by thedog

What do you mean by this?

I'm assuming you mean if it's in the exact same niche... if this is true, then it's good to know... although I'm not sure if it's true or not.

I use this method, but have used high ranking sites in different niches... now Google is smart, but how are they going to know anything if the site where I found the back link has nothing to do with mine?

Of course it makes sense that Google would reward you more for the links from related sites. However they are unlikely to punish you for links that come from unrelated sites.

(And yes, they are likely to know if the site the links come from are related to your site content and anchor text!)

At worst they will not count as much as "related" links.

In the real world it would actually be unnatural if every single link was from a related site.

Similarly it would be unnatural if every backlink was a high PR or every backlink was do-follow or every backlink had the same anchor text .

Whilst all the above are seen as the best backlinks to have, if that is all you have then it is that itself could raise red flags.

Being "natural" is what Google is all about and in real terms that means being diverse in all things relating to your backlinking. In fact it is also becoming a more important factor with on-page SEO.

Long gone are the days of keyword stuffing your page. Now you are expected to have quality, readable content. Semantically related words and "natural" variety in your text.

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J smith 14 years ago

It's a great way to find new places to put back links, and obviously a good way to see what your competitors have in terms of back links that you don't.

But guess where all those links come from? Articles, comments and directory submissions! (as well as some private and none duplicatable sources) So in the end you are still going to have to leave comments, write articles, and submit stuff. So not much in the way of "stealing"
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yukon

Banned 14 years ago

Originally Posted by capitalalchemy

This is not smart at all. As someone who has done this probably 50+ times, Google will punish your site for having the same back links, or even a handful of them. Believe it. They can detect all sorts of deceit, and I have tested this many times to be sure.

Congratulations Your a Winner!

That's the craziest thing I've read all day! :rolleyes:

Charlie Sheen has nothing on this (winning)!

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capitalalchemy 14 years ago

All I'm saying is that a site should strive to be as unique as possible. Even right down to the back links. At least in my experience when going after competitors links in the same niche for one of my own sites, this did not help one bit.

No one has to be salty about what I said. I'll I'm saying is that I don't think this is a good method anymore and that I won't touch it with a ten foot poll ever again.

I use scrapebox occasionally, but very carefully. If a blog post has more than 10 back links on it, I don't care what the PR is, I won't leave a link, especially if they are all promoting the same thing.

In terms of bookmarking - when you bookmark a link it has it's own unique page generally, or at least appears on your unique profile.

BUT... (and again my experience) let's say that you are working on two sites. You decide to bookmark both sites at 10 bookmarking sites. It's smart to use different accounts, but if you are bookmarking the 2 links together under an account each time, eventually this is going to hurt your site.

I honestly believe that the same is true when Google starts to notice that site A (competitors) always has site B (yours) lingering around it.

I've done careful tests on this and at least for this was the result that I got.

I think more than anything, diversity is the key in link building, which for me at least means..

PR 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7 (no follow and do follow)
video hosting site back links
article links
forum thread links
blog post links
links from international domain extensions
edu + gov links
guest book links
bookmarking links
pdf back links
gallery back links

And Google says that your site can't be penalized for having bad back links (under the scenario that other people may link poorly to your content and that if this were the case then we could sabotage each others sites).

But if that were the case then getting links wouldn't matter anyway, because that would have to mean that Google wouldn't pay attention to even good links.

So I think links matter a lot, how you acquire them, speed, timing, etc
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Daedalus

14 years ago

Originally Posted by capitalalchemy

This is not smart at all. As someone who has done this probably 50+ times, Google will punish your site for having the same back links, or even a handful of them. Believe it. They can detect all sorts of deceit, and I have tested this many times to be sure.

Agreed, I've also been there. Definitely not a good idea!

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JSProjects

14 years ago

Agree with everyone else here, you're not going to get penalized for having a number of similar backlinks as your competition.

What I like to do, though, is find the top 10 competition for the exact term I'm trying to rank for, as well as 4 very similar terms, and plug their sites into Scrapebox. By the time the backlink checker is done you will have plenty of places to drop your own links.

You can check their PR, see if they're blogs that you can comment on, check their amount of outbound links, etc.

Plus, it helps to see what strategies are helping your competition. Why try to reinvent the wheel? Just do what they've already proven to work.

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Praveen Kumar

14 years ago

Originally Posted by JSProjects

Agree with everyone else here, you're not going to get penalized for having a number of similar backlinks as your competition.

What I like to do, though, is find the top 10 competition for the exact term I'm trying to rank for, as well as 4 very similar terms, and plug their sites into Scrapebox. By the time the backlink checker is done you will have plenty of places to drop your own links.

You can check their PR, see if they're blogs that you can comment on, check their amount of outbound links, etc.

Plus, it helps to see what strategies are helping your competition. Why try to reinvent the wheel? Just do what they've already proven to work.

Exactly what i am doing now!

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JSProjects 14 years ago

Originally Posted by ipraveen

Exactly what i am doing now!

Good to hear.

Seems like people over-complicate things. Now, clearly, you're not going to be using JUST the backlinks & sources your competition is using. But clearly they know what works. Use what you can in addition to your own backlinking methods.
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rakesh1600193

14 years ago

You can analyze competitor back links But you can't create the same back links .
And don't waste time in grabbing the same backlinks.
Try to build your own the backlinks.

Basic back linking method are same. So can just do 1 thing copy the quality articles , directories and bookmarking sites. You can post your link there.

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eurekapsycrille

14 years ago

Yeah, sometimes being practical is not a bad thing, I haven't seen Google release a statement about this kind of activity.

So I think it's also a good idea.

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IM Godfather

14 years ago

sometimes I think people give the big G a little too much credit in what they can detect and what they can't.

If backlinks raise a site to #1 .. then it only makes sense that if you get those same backlinks - and then some, that you'll also be at #1.

Of course you will never ever match the exact same link profile, as you won't be able to get all the same links as the previous guy.

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CreekChub 14 years ago

Agreed. This isn't stealing, so much as smart research.
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rtailor

14 years ago

This technique is also good to know about the planning and SEO technique used by your competitors.

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AymanGham

14 years ago

Well that doesn't really matter if it's stealing or a smart research but what this guy just said is priceless.
1. you will know how hard you have to go to this keyword.
2. you can post your backlink where you can and do use some of the automated tools.
3. it's impressive to see a 16 year old make something that almost 99% of the internet marketer never do!

Thanks you Praveen Kumar for this amazing tread. I will add this technique to my marketing strategy.
Keep up the good work.

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RayW

14 years ago

As others have said, this isn't "stealing" a competitor's backlinks lol, it's called "mirroring" and it's been around for a long time. And it's not easy as it sounds, there are some links that you can't really copy.

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webgyorglobal

14 years ago

Hi,
We can get any websites back links in yahoo.

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Webgyor Global.

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Kiosk

14 years ago

Well, finding the competitors backlink and submitting in those links seems to be one of the best way start the link building campaign with as it is believed that those results which appear ahead in SERP may be optimized in a way which Google likes so it is always wise to follow them by making neccessary changes where it seems which can be done in more better way than rivals.

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outwest

14 years ago

you are forgetting AGE of the backlinks
if your competitors backlinks are years older than your new backlinks
he wins...........assuming the same backlinks

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alinpion 14 years ago

I think the key is not to steal your competitor backlinks but to see what backlinks they have and try to do it better! The same for on page SEO. If the other guy has the "keyword" 4 times in his page content you will put the keyword 6 times and 2 times bold 1 time italic 1 time color it and so on.
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jackwebson

14 years ago

It is a common myth in SEO that once you copied the same backlinks of your competitors then you can outrank them in search results.

It still depends on the way the backlinks were created, On Page SEO, Domain age and other factors. Although it can help boost your rankings, the success rate is still uncertain.

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outwest

14 years ago

I think its kind of a dumb concept
you can find locations to place high PR backlinks by reverse backlink searching 100s of sites

why does it have to be your exact competitor on the same kws?

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JSProjects

14 years ago

Originally Posted by outwest

I think its kind of a dumb concept
you can find locations to place high PR backlinks by reverse backlink searching 100s of sites

why does it have to be your exact competitor on the same kws?

That's why you think outside the box a bit and grab the top 10 competition for 20, 30, 40, hell, even 50+ keywords in your niche.

By the time you've run all of this data through Scrapebox you'll have a mountain of places to create backlinks.

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omurphy22

14 years ago

To be honest, that's pretty common knowledge. The problem also arises when your competitors' backlinks aren't just from blog comments, social media sites, or forum posts, so you can't steal them.

But yes, you're right it's always a good idea to keep an eye on your competitors.

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skele

14 years ago

It's smart way, but it's just a part of the whole SEO process.

If your competitors put a lot of hours, money and/or effort in getting relevant links, it is smart to get them too.

Golden rule is: Copy first. Then dominate.

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mattlaclear

14 years ago

The premise of the OP as a means of ripping off links is pure nonsense. I have noticed in our own campaigns that often the links providing the most juice go unreported by Google anyways.

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desi4eva

14 years ago

This is basic knowledge if you have doing this work for the last 3 year you should already know this!

Panda is hitting "bad" content not your links though if your links are seen as "bad" content sites then you would be affected!