LOL. Permanent ON page PR links and you wouldn't be interested??

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Funny stuff. I saw a guy here on WF recently willing to give PR links (not forum profile, not senuke blast, not blog comment but a real honest to goodness in context link) just for well written articles.

So far he doesn't seem to have much takers. Then a question hit me

Is this board really so into spamming that they don't know the benefit of having real authority links like this one? I mean had the guy dropped in and siad $5 for 200 blog comments he would have had a rush of PMs.

So let me ask straight out. IF a service could give you Authority links that would NOT roll off the authority page (lets say pageranked page) are you telling me you couldn't be bothered if you had to write an article or pay someone $5 or less to have one written?
#search engine optimization #interested #links #lol #page #permanent
  • Must have missed it because I would have definitely pounced on that sh... offer. Was it in the WSO?
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  • Most things I have seen in the internet marketing world deal with spamming the internet

    I try and try to help people understand that spamming isn't the way to go, but that doesn't stop WSO's and other methods teaching people to use them.

    I personally would do this, if the website would actually bring me traffic. If there was no way that traffic would come to my website, then I probably would skip it. Yes I understand ranking in the search engines = traffic, but I prefer to focus on backlink methods that actually build traffic from the place where the backlink is located.

    Great post.
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    • I just responded to that kind of thinking in the post where you proposed it and I think its terribly short sighted. Essentially you have bottled yourself into a false world where anything that does not immediately lead to traffic is not something that you think is worthy.

      Truth is most of the traffic on the internet is earned in some way by doing something other than getting direct traffic. Top sites with mad traffic are not going to just give you traffic links. You will generally have to work some system, promotion or contacts that is NOT a direct traffic link. With Google still in the top three for traffic that involves getting links.
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    I see the value of in content links, but what makes that any different than EZA, besides EZA having tougher restrictions on getting approved?




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    • EZA give you links with on page PR, low links on page and limited links on the whole domain? tell on Brother Yukon. Plus last time I checked EZa stuck your links at the end not in the article itself. Don't you know all this stuff? then how could you even ask such a newb question?


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      • Domain Diversity
      • Relevancy
      • Page Authority
      • Referred traffic + Brand Exposure
  • I never ever read that forum, however your post has lead me to taking him up on his offer. I'll take a PR 4 (page) link any day for a few thousands words, hell yeah

    Also since when did EZA off on-page PR from the moment you make a post?
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    • You mean you don't have to build backlinks to your EZA pages anymore? They are all PR4s?
  • Oh... I read his post again. Maybe I won't be taking him up on his offer -_-
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  • I liked his offer until I read that the PR 1-4 isn't a guarantee. I can build backlinks to my own backlinks on my own :p
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    • I am reading that differently

      All kinds of differences between basically syndication to multiple authority sites and article directory submissions but as the OP Title suggested there are just some people completely clueless and even hostile to anything but their MFA backlinking strategies.
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      Exactly!

      Why would anyone write an article when they can get PR5-6 backlinks without an article, all day long?

      You guys must like work, lol?

      I have enough things to do besides pumping out articles.

      Besides, you will not get a PR1-4 link, you'll get a PR0 at best, If your new article is the only article/link on the page. How are you going to give out PR1-4 backlink when the page doesn't even exist yet?

      C'mon now use the Ole' noggin.
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  • But guests posts are PR 0 or N/A? They go on the first page of the blog for a while then they drop out when new posts are made and the actual post itself will have no PR.
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    • That may be the case here but I often wonder why people think that posts have to roll off page one to a page with no PR.

      A) this is 2011 and wordpress blogs can have all kinds of layouts and pages
      B) a post one hop away from say a PR3 is going to still have PR as long as there are not thousands of pages on the site.

      Of course you have to realize the difference between toolbar PR and realtime PR. If you have say a PR 4 blog and you create navigation to another second page today the next time the site is crawled that page is going to have PR even though there may have been no toolbar update.
  • Because the link will be on the front page, for a while at least. He is paying people to write content for his site by paying with a backlink - from what it reads. Even an inner-page on a well designed site will have PR flowing to it...

    It is a great opportunity for a decent link.
  • I'm with Mike Anthony on this one. Backlinks from guest posts published on blogs with high PR and low posting frequency are phenomenal. The conventional blog nav. will ensure juice flows internally and in many instances my guest posts have increased in PR which translates to a permanent high PR contextual link.

    I have even paid blog owners who publish one post per week to have my guest post published on their blogs and the money was certainly well spent because those posts now have PR.

    I do believe PR is updated within a week or two on Google's end.

    I personally would have had the mindset of others who believe guest posts are a waste of time but last year I was a full-time freelance writer and I had a client who paid me $50 to write and submit guest posts on his behalf i.e. $50/guest post approved. Now, I was completely bewildered why this client was paying me $50 to write simple articles and propose them to blogs until I went and looked at the keywords he was targeting in these posts... he had first page rankings for most of the keywords he was targeting and his sole SEO strategy was guest posting and blog commenting.... this is when I realized the power of guest posts and suffice to say it is now an integral part of my own SEO strategy.
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    • Not to mention you NEVER have to worry about a competitor reporting you should you get into the top on a mucho money serp. Guest posting is syndication which google will not tank as spam.
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  • Mike are you serious about the $100 offer? I'm on my way to an 18,000 exact match term and wouldn't mind a cool $100 when i reach the first page, hopefully before Christmas. I do however tend to agree with some aspects of what you are saying.

    I have a PR 3 domain and each and every page that is listed on my website has at least a pagerank of 2 or higher, however there are many variables that dictates this. Are you not just assuming too much in regards to the persons who's blog(s) were referring to?
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    • Christmas? My Green bills would like a new home within the next 30-60 days but 18,000 exact doesn't really mean highly competitive so beware your claim to a new home for my Paypal $100 is not necessarily yours. I judge competitive by the first page not any of that other made up stuff sellers have created to make it look like their stuff works for "competitive" terms.


      Not really. I am not pretending to know how his sites are setup. I am more responding to the overall ideas that people are trying to claim regarding what must be. Like you yourself have seen with navigation new pages can in fact get PR and they get them long before the toolbar updates .
    • Hi,

      Here's another concept I'd like to throw out there:

      Unique high PR homepage content with backlinks under a well aged domain with a niche and keyword-relevant domain name. How to get these homepage content pages with backlinks under these domains?

      1. Google each of your target keywords and take note of the top ten competing pages...

      2. Use SEOQuake to view PR of each competing page, then use SEO SpyGlass to gather backlink portfolio details of each competing page. SEO SpyGlass will give you the number of backlinks pointing to those competing pages, URLs of linking pages, keyword anchors of those backlinks, PR of linking pages, number and URLs of outbound links on each linking page, Alexa rank of domains where those linking pages are found, and IPs of those domains...

      3. Outdo the backlink portfolios of each of your competitors for each of your target keywords. You can do the following steps:

      3.1. Find a tool that will provide you with a list of expired and deleted domains with niche and keyword-relevant domain names, including current PR, expiration or deletion date and first registration date. There are lots of these tools out there, and Google will point you to a good set of tools...

      3.2. Gather backlink portfolio details of the expired and deleted domains you chose. You can use SEO SpyGlass. This tool, as mentioned above, will give you the number of backlinks pointing to the domain, URLs of linking pages, PR of linking pages, keyword anchors of those backlinks, number and URLs of outbound links on each linking page, Alexa rank of domains where those linking pages are found, and IPs of those domains...

      3.3. Once you zone in on a list of good domains and have validated their PRs and backlink portfolios: Register them, though keep in mind that Google can see registrant details even with whois guard...

      3.4. Get VPS hosting and unique IPs. Attach a unique IP to each of those domains...

      3.5. Install a Wordpress instance and upload good Wordpress themes and Wordpress plugins to each of the directories of those Wordpress instances dedicated to each of those domains...

      3.6. Write unique homepage content with backlinks and useful info, advice, tips, strategies and techniques contextually relevant to your target keywords for each of those Wordpress sites. Use SEOPressor to get recommendations regarding the overall SEO of each homepage, and don't forget to use a combination of your target keywords in H1s/titles, H2s, H3s and H4s of those homepages. These can even be the anchors of your backlinks...

      3.7. Develop a brief 1 to 2-minute introductory video for each of those Wordpress sites and post them on the homepage. You could upload them to Youtube and just embed them on your Wordpress sites. Remember to write a good, SEOd title and enter your target keywords as the tags of those videos. Google loves media-rich sites and pages...

      3.8. Start marketing a similar offer being discussed here, i.e. For guest authoring arrangements, for free backlinks for the guest authors, and free, unique content for you, now the owner of those sites with high PR homepages under well aged domains with niche and keyword-relevant domain names. Your customers will update your websites with unique content, and some will even build backlinks for their guest posts and pages on your websites...

      Just wanted to add a different, relevant angle to the discussion here...
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  • And just to add Mike... The guy offering the service is getting 3000+ words whilst the person getting the link is potentially getting a backlink on a PR 1 domain, which means you won't get a PR 1 page right off the bat.

    I can guarantee that most people can get a lot more value if they spent the time they potentially had writing articles instead gaining lower pagerank backlinks pointing to their already existing backlinks.
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    • A) I see him saying minimum 400 words. Where are you coming up with 3000+
      B) he specifically states that it depends on niche not that it is arbitrary and to PM him so I assume you would know what the Pr is before writing for it. Guy seems to have a mix of domains with different PRs and wants content. Perfectly natural.

      Unless you have Pmed him your are just making up things that are not in the offer.
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  • I thought we were talking in the context of this particular persons blogs, guess not. The first page is highly competitive I can assure you that, I will let you know more details later today and see if it fits in with your criteria. It's almost 7am and I haven't slept yet, I think I'm starting to lose the plot.

    I won't say no to $100 Christmas beer money!

    Whilst I'd love to give your bills a new home sooner, but unfortunately I've got far too many other keywords that need to be dealt with.
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    • We are

      http://www.warriorforum.com/warrior-...inks-free.html

      Where does he say 3,000 words?
      He states clearly the Pr is based on the niche not arbitrary.
      and he states the sites PRESENTLY have the PR that he is referring to. He does say he will build them up as well but you are reading that like they don't presently have PR.

      and very comeptitive? If I had a dime for everytime I heard that in regard to some mediocre term I would be weighed down with dimes. Get some sleep man. I had a nap earlier this evening so I am wide eyed


      read man. States clearly two links per article and you submit as many articles as you want.
  • Lol. I did tell you I was losing the plot. I think I'll go sleep now.

    I assumed he wanted one article per niche, in return we could get two links on a given article. But that doesn't make sense - reading when it's way past your bed time can become ridiculously inaccurate lol.

    One last thing though, I know a lot of people on these forums throw the term "competitive" around very loosely, but that's not the case for everyone here. Some of us do have a small clue as to what were talking about, but I wouldn't expect you to believe that - at least not on here

    Unless my post was on a PR 3 or 4 donain that is laid out well and with the navigation set out 'correctly', I'd prefer to backlink an EZA article personally. But each to his own.
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    • Fair enough Mav. I'll keep my paypal account at the ready.
  • Banned
    I may not have years of seo experience like some of you in this thread, but in my short time learning SEO and building my niche site, I found the most valuable backlinks were from the sites that were ranking on first page of my keyword. Of course, I was only able to backlink to 1-2 top ranked sites for my keyword...but the results were amazing. Even if they were no-follow.

    In a Google Q&A (which is where I first got the bright idea to backlink on higher ranking site), Matt Cutts even said that if a site ranking higher than yours is linking to your site, Google will look at your site as equivalent value.

    Of course, being able to actually stick a backlink on the top ranked sites is very difficult (either they will have comments disabled or won't approve it). But if that is what op is offering, I don't know what all this nay-saying is about.
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    • You don't need years of experience to become fluent in SEO. Just put what you learn into practice and in no time you will know much more than the information sponges who never implement what they learn
    • YEP not even blog comments but full out posts with two links within a great deal of context. The nay saying reminds me of the good old days of telling people that forum profiles were going to get very weak as a linking technique. Most of the board now sees how that turned out but people got seething angry at the facts (especially sellers).

      Pure BlueFartters and Lazy SEO people ( a lot of kids in that group too which is understandable) get very upset when you bring up other strategies. I dunno maybe they think it indicts their techniques or they want to live in a fantasy world where everything is easy with the push of a button. So they stay in weak competition terms so they can think thats all there is or should be and believe their laziness is really brilliance.

      In this case its just silly. You can have a well written article for as little as five dollars, get a link that Google is far less likely to discount and because its real content is unlikely to be deleted as spam by the blog owner. . or you can spend it on list of profile links ala Angela :rolleyes:
  • Just looking at a couple of guests posts I did a couple of months ago on some high PR blogs.

    One was on a PR4 blog (homepage PR) and my article already has PR3 after two or three months.

    One was on a PR5 blog and now my article also has PR5! That's in less than 3 months.

    So I'll take that any day. What I AM a bit sceptical about is the impact this has had on my money site's rankings, but I'll take the long-term view for now...
  • Mike, I agree that this should be a part of everyone's SEO strategy, getting articles with backlinks on high-PR blogs. I would find it surprising that anyone thought that was time wasted. Give me a few contextual backlinks on high-PR blogs over a 1000-directory AMR blast any day.

    I am just guessing the lack of takers is due to there being a lot of choice out there. You can pretty much put an article (albeit spun) onto Authority Link Network for a similar bunch of PR backlinks, or use some of the paying blog networks - maybe this network (if that is what it is) just doesn't seem anything special with the sites going as low as PR1. Personally, I can always find a ton of guest blogging opportunities in my niche/s just by Googling for them, often on PR5, 6 domains, so I just feel my time is best spent there (though those kinds of blogs require a higher quality of article too).
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    • Of course, it is better to use something else, along with articles. That is why I love linkwheels

    • I got you and agree if you have those opportunities. But there's a big difference between saying that you have other opportunities to do guest blogging and trying to claim people are silly for writing articles to get quality links when they could be blog commenting :rolleyes:. You are on target . they are not.

      Like they are the same thing and Pr on a page is all that matters without regard to OBl and other factors. Such guidance just trashes up this whole joint and from the amount of people still not ranking after blog commenting it isn't even just a spam issue but of what doesn't work in competitive niches.
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  • Yeah, I would be very surprised if high-PR blog commenting would have the same impact as contextual high-PR blog article links, EVEN if the links stick, they are not nofollow, have keyword anchor text, and don't have 2000 other comments on the same page (preferably one or two at most). I am surprised Google gives these any weight at all, since they are one of the few types of links (along with profile links) that are PROVABLY self-serving, practically by definition. Not to say I don't do that type of "quality" blog commenting, but doubt they carry nearly as much clout as "a link on a PR6 page" 'sounds' like it ought to have.
  • I see where you are coming from Paul, but the whole Google ranking system is founded on backlinks from sites you don't own, so how're you going to leverage that without SOME give and take with other site owners? Leveraging each other's resources to mutual benefit has to play some part.

    I agree though, a network like the one we are talking about is a bit of an unknown quantity to start investing quality content in, or whatever. Whether a $5 article would pass muster is another matter.
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  • All I have to say is, things that people will do to sell an ebook never cease to amuse me.

    We know you're the "expert" now. The only backlinks worthy of doing is the one you promote, amirite?

    I see you ridicule mattlaclear all the time, it amuses me because you guys are two of the same.
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    • Another offended closet spammer who can't read? seems to be a trend . I don't sell an ebook and the direct offer that this thread talks about isn't even mine. You pimpin out that signature AND avatar just fine though right? (lol)
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  • Enough said.
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    • Sure I am also doing some marketing research but what did I link to? My own solution or someone elses?

      BZZZZ . Someone else's.

      You have no point. See me have any opt in form to collect email addresses for any future services (like cough cough someone else....:rolleyes? Your own sig is pimped out and ready to go although you could have chosen to turn it off.


      Nuff said

      Now do you have anything to say on this subject or just want to derail it some more and get your sig out there in a popular thread?
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  • Banned
    As they say "those that can't...."
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    • .....do SEO try to promote insurance through an IM Forum"? .

      Anyway getting back on point that s exactly the issue. You have people wasting time running around building up post count on forums so they can drop links, doing blasts, paying $149 a month to senuke, paying for thousands of article directory blasts and if they just applied themselves they could build a real business with real rankings by concentrating on a little content creation like the offer referred to in this thread which is totally unrelated to me.

      Really? Is that why because I see ton loads of people who spend all kinds of time writing content endlessly for their MFA and can't make $100 in a month but they don't have the time to look in the serps and find one example of a truly top competitive term that ranks number one with spammy backlinks alone? Uh - huh sure. and in the entire time it took to write three off topic posts in this thread you didn't have the time instead to earn $100 and prove me wrong even though you would LOVE to?:rolleyes: You are right about one thing -

  • I hate to burts your bubble there buddy, but PR doesn't automatically equal great rankings. One of many reasons why it doesn't: PR isn't updated frequently so the PR you see today may actually be the PR a site had 3 months ago. Sure, the PR of CNN doesn't change fast... but not every site is CNN

    Next to that, the value a link passes on to your site also depends on relevancy. For example, if your page is about babysitters and a page about cars is linking to that page... then the site may be PR 8 but the link is just as valuable as a link from a page on a lower PR site that IS about babysitting.

    And then there's the link text itself: exact match text links tend to outdo broad match text links...

    Do you want me to keep going here?

    The point is: yes, blog comments, directory listings, social media profiles, and all that spammy stuff DOES suck... but only focusing on how high a website's PR is when you're looking for links sucks just as much.

    There are other factors involved.
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    • Sorry to burst YOUR bubble Buddy but you are confused. Toolbar PR has absolutely nothing to do with why sites rank or do not rank and thats the only kind of PR that is not updated frequently. Tool PR is updated sporadically and does NOT reflect the internal algo PR but perhaps on the day it is updated. Real PR is updated constantly on Googles side. Toolbar PR that you see in your various tools is just for the public and not up todate. Toolbar PR has nothing to do with the algo and has very little to do with ranking at all. Internal PR (on Google's side ) is updated constantly despite your claims. Thats A

      B) Thank you for the strawman argument. No one stated it was only PR. which is. why in context links are better than blog rolls - relevant and editorial in nature guest posts are better. Thts been stated before in this very thread. There are quite likely other authority factors but given that we know of only one value (because Google sporadically releases it) Pr is the only thing in regard to authority I mentioned. Has nothing to do with thinking that is all there is as you allege.

      But thanks you for the lesson that every one knew and assumed everyone else did.
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    • Who told you that garbage? For all Google knows the babysitter website was linking to a car website because it offered a review about in car baby seats for example.
  • You know what the problem is Mike? That most people think that quantity > quality of the backlinks.

    Why would I want your awesome PR5 homepage backlink in relevant content when I could have 250,000 awesome Xrumer and Scrapebox spam links! ::sarcasm::

    The other issue? Patience. We live in an instant gratification society, and what's with Google not giving my website instant rankings! </end sarcasm>

    Seriously though, a lot of disinformation goes around as fact on a variety of forums and popular blogs and that's the biggest problem.
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    • You nailed it. Its all about that. Even to the point of perfectly moronic statements like " just get links from your own backlink sites" like those sites have any value if they don't have links coming from other third party sites.

      I am actually loving this thread though because I can see even new people reading through the nonsense and realizing what is being said makes absolutely no sense whatsoever even though it is being said by people who have been passing off knowing SEO for some time.

      Your other point is on the money as well but it also relates to the IM mentality that says hey "you too can make a gazillion dollars by sitting on the couch and eating popcorn". Thats why you have silly commentary like a $5 article to get a good backlink is a waste because the site might disappear all the while pretending like just about any backlink anyone uses cant disappear. Chicken little silliness as an excuse to not providing any quality content to get links from the rest of the internet that at some point ( because its the INTER net ) everyone ends up relying on.
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  • I'm really only posting to say : "This thread, what a mess."

    But I'll try to add something valuable to the discussion so my post sticks.

    Give any backlink spam supporter the choice between 1000 High PR, in content, homepage backlinks on pages directly related to their niche OR 2000 generally spammy links and see how quickly they turn coats.

    Its obvious to see where the value in link building is. Anyone stating otherwise is just living in denial.
  • you are right but in many cases Free websites delete links.
  • Mike, I am unable to PM; is it possible you could PM me with a way I can contact you?
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    • Sent you a PM. Let me know if there are any problems getting it.
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