Sites Using BMR Just Dropped

by 36burrows 96 replies
A few of my sites that I regularly use BMR with all just experienced a heavy drop in rankings at the exact same time.

Every page on each site have all dropped at least 2-3 pages or more.

These are authority type sites, all with 30+ pages of unique content.

One of them was ranked #1 for a tough health keyword, it dropped to #5 for that one, rest of the pages dropped too.


Haven't come to conclusions just yet, but is anyone else using BMR experiencing this?

I lost my temper over it, now I've calmed down a little and trying to figure out wtf is going on.

Will keep the thread updated.
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  • Profile picture of the author outwest
    dang, hmmm
    wonder if others have seen this
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    • Profile picture of the author theverysmartguy
      I use BMR exclusively on my sites ( besides the initial linking from automated social bookmarking. ). And I have NOT seen a drop in my rankings.

      It might be something else that you did that caused those drops. Have you done any link blasts to your sites lately? Or something else along those lines.

      I have kept a steady flow of 10 links per site per day going since I started, and I have only seen a stable increase in my rankings.

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      • Profile picture of the author 36burrows
        Originally Posted by theverysmartguy View Post

        I use BMR exclusively on my sites ( besides the initial linking from automated social bookmarking. ). And I have NOT seen a drop in my rankings.

        It might be something else that you did that caused those drops. Have you done any link blasts to your sites lately? Or something else along those lines.

        I have kept a steady flow of 10 links per site per day going since I started, and I have only seen a stable increase in my rankings.

        -- Jeff
        Nope, I stay away from link blasts completely. I've already learned my lesson there.

        At this point I really have no idea wtf happened.

        I'm glad to hear that your BMR sites are still in tact, I'll keep searching.
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        • Profile picture of the author theverysmartguy
          Originally Posted by 36burrows View Post

          Nope, I stay away from link blasts completely. I've already learned my lesson there.

          At this point I really have no idea wtf happened.

          I'm glad to hear that your BMR sites are still in tact, I'll keep searching.
          Good to hear that you keep away from link blasts, not sure why people like them so much when they do so much damage.

          I hope you find out what happened, maybe it was just a dance or something. Even though I have not seen a dance while using BMR.

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  • Profile picture of the author swym
    My sites are using BMR for backlinks. I can say 80% of the backlinks are coming from BMR network but I didn't see a drop in ranking.
    Did you change the daily posting limit recently?
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  • Profile picture of the author 36burrows
    I do have a few other smaller niche sites which have a Wordpress plugin that automatically posts related Youtube videos on a daily basis.

    This is the only other thing I can think of.

    Whatever happened, I'm totally screwed regardless.
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    • Profile picture of the author ahefner33
      BMR user and didn't see any drop. You could have had some of your links move off the homepage of some of your submissions.
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      • Profile picture of the author 36burrows
        Originally Posted by ahefner33 View Post

        BMR user and didn't see any drop. You could have had some of your links move off the homepage of some of your submissions.
        Yes but every single page on every single one of my sites all dropped at the exact same time, so it has to be something else.
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        • Profile picture of the author fs007
          My site using BMR for my link building and the didn't drop,still on the first page

          maybe you should check your on page optimization or any external link from your page

          i combine BMR+Linkvana+SEO linkvine the site still in page
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        • Profile picture of the author tj_inreality
          Originally Posted by 36burrows View Post

          Yes but every single page on every single one of my sites all dropped at the exact same time, so it has to be something else.
          Same thing happened to me. Started using BMR a couple weeks ago and EVERY page on my site fell 50 spots. Before this happened, I had multiple #1 spots.

          But I'm not sure if it is BMR or not, since I started doing other things as well around the same time, such as varying anchors, etc.

          Still, it's weird that this is happening to both of us. One other possibility I came up with is that my site is over-optimized. I'm researching this right now and trying to de-optimize my pages and anchors to see if they improve in rankings.
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  • Profile picture of the author ex9to5guy
    just keep building links. Submit a minimum of 5 bmr posts to your sites per day and then add some fresh content to your sites. also use a different type of linkbuilding to go along with your bmr posts
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  • Profile picture of the author Clyde
    Another algo change was rolled out today.

    If you go on to the other forums you'll see at least 5 people reporting this.

    What are your other backlinks sources?

    Edit: Ah, just read you dropped from #1-#5, that's normal and probably is just Google dance. Buy some High PR homepage backlinks and keep doing BMR. I think you'll be fine 1-2 months time.
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    • Profile picture of the author 36burrows
      Originally Posted by Clyde View Post

      Another algo change was rolled out today.

      If you go on to the other forums you'll see at least 5 people reporting this.

      What are your other backlinks sources?

      Edit: Ah, just read you dropped from #1-#5, that's normal and probably is just Google dance. Buy some High PR homepage backlinks and keep doing BMR. I think you'll be fine 1-2 months time.
      Thing is though, the #1 - #5 was only for ONE keyword.

      Every page on EVERY one of my sites dropped heavily.

      My traffic is peanuts compared to yesterday :confused:
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      • Profile picture of the author Clyde
        Originally Posted by 36burrows View Post

        Thing is though, the #1 - #5 was only for ONE keyword.

        Every page on EVERY one of my sites dropped heavily.

        My traffic is peanuts compared to yesterday :confused:
        Any footprint across the sites that dropped heavily?

        Are the on the same IP/host?

        Same/spun content? Same templates? Same backlink sources?
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        • Profile picture of the author 36burrows
          Originally Posted by Clyde View Post

          Any footprint across the sites that dropped heavily?

          Are the on the same IP/host?

          Same/spun content? Same templates? Same backlink sources?
          All of my sites are on the same host. I don't want to pay for another host when Hostgator lets me use unlimited domains.

          No spun content, I stay away from that stuff.

          This really sucks though, everything I've worked for is gone.

          I was on the cusp of making it full-time and now I may as well beg for change in the grocery store parking lot.
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          • Profile picture of the author dp40oz
            Originally Posted by 36burrows View Post

            All of my sites are on the same host. I don't want to pay for another host when Hostgator lets me use unlimited domains.

            No spun content, I stay away from that stuff.

            This really sucks though, everything I've worked for is gone.

            I was on the cusp of making it full-time and now I may as well beg for change in the grocery store parking lot.
            Yep thats how it goes. I am constantly going through this. 1 site takes off making money and another gets penalized. Right now I have 3 sites that took big hits (basically gone) in the last month that were earning $500 a month between the 3 of them. The only thing I can say is build as many sites as you can. Try and vary the link building for each one a bit.

            Although you want to believe the penalty is 1 thing it doesn't work like that. For example to you the only thing you see is "All these sites use BMR". The algorithm might see

            1 - Each page has high keyword density
            2 - Each page has similar slightly unnatural link portfolio
            3 - Anchor text is not varied very much
            4 - Content is not as unique as competing pages

            Then the algo factors all this into a trust score and, 1 last straw pushes that trust score below the line and BAM… penalized. It could be as simple as a teetering trust score and 1 too many similar anchor text links. Don't ever think its one thing. It never usually is. Now the big problem is lifting a penalty is much harder then getting one. Lets say your trust score is factored between 0-100 and a penalty happens at 65, it almost seems you need to get back to a 90 to lift the penalty. At least thats how it seems to be.
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            • Profile picture of the author d0rhk
              Originally Posted by dp40oz View Post

              Yep thats how it goes. I am constantly going through this. 1 site takes off making money and another gets penalized. Right now I have 3 sites that took big hits (basically gone) in the last month that were earning $500 a month between the 3 of them. The only thing I can say is build as many sites as you can. Try and vary the link building for each one a bit.

              Although you want to believe the penalty is 1 thing it doesn't work like that. For example to you the only thing you see is "All these sites use BMR". The algorithm might see

              1 - Each page has high keyword density
              2 - Each page has similar slightly unnatural link portfolio
              3 - Anchor text is not varied very much
              4 - Content is not as unique as competing pages

              Then the algo factors all this into a trust score and, 1 last straw pushes that trust score below the line and BAM… penalized. It could be as simple as a teetering trust score and 1 too many similar anchor text links. Don't ever think its one thing. It never usually is. Now the big problem is lifting a penalty is much harder then getting one. Lets say your trust score is factored between 0-100 and a penalty happens at 65, it almost seems you need to get back to a 90 to lift the penalty. At least thats how it seems to be.
              Okay i've been into IM and google and seo for a couple years now, and i've seen people talk about ALL SORTS of made up stuff.

              This is the first time i've EVER seen someone talk about google having a "trust scale" for your website, and if you have 1 to many links with the same anchor text it changes this trust score? Why would google ever even have to "trust" anyones site?

              I could just be out of the loop on this or something but could you show me a post on the google blog or someone that works at google quoting this in a video?

              I'm sick and tired of people just posting what seems to be literally stuff they make up on the spot.
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              • Profile picture of the author dp40oz
                Originally Posted by d0rhk View Post

                Okay i've been into IM and google and seo for a couple years now, and i've seen people talk about ALL SORTS of made up stuff.

                This is the first time i've EVER seen someone talk about google having a "trust scale" for your website, and if you have 1 to many links with the same anchor text it changes this trust score? Why would google ever even have to "trust" anyones site?

                I could just be out of the loop on this or something but could you show me a post on the google blog or someone that works at google quoting this in a video?

                I'm sick and tired of people just posting what seems to be literally stuff they make up on the spot.
                ???

                Google`s Trust Rank and Hilltop Algorithms

                Heres one reference to it, if you need more just search "Google trust score", "Google trust rank", "Google authority score" ect...

                I am not saying anything as gospel here buddy. This also isn't just made up stuff. Trust score, authority whatever you want to call it is very real. How do you think Google determines rankings?

                The algo weighs tons and tons of different elements... thats all I am saying. It obviously has a threshold in which it penalizes sites and my point being is that if you think its for 1 reason then you aren't understanding how things work with algorithms. Maybe my point about 1 anchor text over the limit may be pushing it but I personally I don't think so.

                So many people think penalties are because of 1 thing. Its a sites "Trust" that determines these things. Thats why a site ranking #1 for "Auto Insurance" can't be penalized with a huge Xrumer blast. Google weighs a ton of factors and if all other things line up nicely then they'll dismiss the Xrumer blast but a site with a sketchy past can get blown out of the water if you hit it hard with links.

                The brilliance of an algorithm is all about how it can weigh so many different elements. That is why if I build 2 links to my site and jump up the rankings and you build those same 2 you might not. There are so many different elements involved.

                I am not saying you have to take everything I say as absolute truth but I think the idea that the algorithm weighs many elements and determines an overall site score is pretty accurate.
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                • Profile picture of the author mrehan
                  Originally Posted by dp40oz View Post

                  ???

                  Google`s Trust Rank and Hilltop Algorithms

                  Heres one reference to it, if you need more just search "Google trust score", "Google trust rank", "Google authority score" ect...

                  I am not saying anything as gospel here buddy. This also isn't just made up stuff. Trust score, authority whatever you want to call it is very real. How do you think Google determines rankings?

                  The algo weighs tons and tons of different elements... thats all I am saying. It obviously has a threshold in which it penalizes sites and my point being is that if you think its for 1 reason then you aren't understanding how things work with algorithms. Maybe my point about 1 anchor text over the limit may be pushing it but I personally I don't think so.

                  So many people think penalties are because of 1 thing. Its a sites "Trust" that determines these things. Thats why a site ranking #1 for "Auto Insurance" can't be penalized with a huge Xrumer blast. Google weighs a ton of factors and if all other things line up nicely then they'll dismiss the Xrumer blast but a site with a sketchy past can get blown out of the water if you hit it hard with links.

                  The brilliance of an algorithm is all about how it can weigh so many different elements. That is why if I build 2 links to my site and jump up the rankings and you build those same 2 you might not. There are so many different elements involved.

                  I am not saying you have to take everything I say as absolute truth but I think the idea that the algorithm weighs many elements and determines an overall site score is pretty accurate.
                  You my friend make a lot of sense ,where I cant say the same for some people here. I too have a 30+ page site that that was ranking for keywords that I had not even built links too. I assume must be because of my trust rank. Then I did some some silly backlinking on MAN in June ( 2 articles everyday, and most of the pages and KWs disappeared off the 1st page by about 3 weeks. Now only a handful a still ranking but not the kind that bring in the dough. Now I am planning to switch Article Ranks and submit 1 article every other day to steady the link building. Any other advise?
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          • Profile picture of the author ahefner33
            Originally Posted by 36burrows View Post

            All of my sites are on the same host. I don't want to pay for another host when Hostgator lets me use unlimited domains.

            No spun content, I stay away from that stuff.

            This really sucks though, everything I've worked for is gone.

            I was on the cusp of making it full-time and now I may as well beg for change in the grocery store parking lot.
            Are they all linked via G Analytics or Webmaster Tool?
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            • Profile picture of the author 36burrows
              Originally Posted by ahefner33 View Post

              Are they all linked via G Analytics or Webmaster Tool?
              Yes they all have this
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              • Profile picture of the author Clyde
                Originally Posted by 36burrows View Post

                Yes they all have this
                Ahh, let me guess, they all use the same Analytics account, the same Google webmaster account and are hosted on the same IP.

                Hopefully it wasn't a manual review otherwise you would have to submit a reconsideration request.

                Are they all high quality?
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              • Profile picture of the author kindsvater
                Originally Posted by 36burrows View Post

                Yes they all have this
                There are various reports of late about all sites linked in a G account, and only those sites, suffering rankings drops.

                Since you're building new sites, don't add them to your account. See what happens.

                This probably has nothing to do with BMR. But you've told Google 1 person owns several sites. If Google has issues with one or a couple, all of them are at risk.

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                • Profile picture of the author 36burrows
                  Originally Posted by kindsvater View Post

                  There are various reports of late about all sites linked in a G account, and only those sites, suffering rankings drops.

                  Since you're building new sites, don't add them to your account. See what happens.

                  This probably has nothing to do with BMR. But you've told Google 1 person owns several sites. If Google has issues with one or a couple, all of them are at risk.

                  .
                  It seems there was an algorithm update and many of the links to my sites which were boosting my rankings were either off the high PR page, or had been deindexed.

                  I'm leading towards that this is the reason for my rankings having a sudden drop.

                  Most of my links also contain a lot of the exact anchor text for my keywords, so I'm now trying to diverse my link anchor texts and seeing if this helps.

                  Sucks though, feels like I just moved back 3 months in time.
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                  • Profile picture of the author onepace
                    @36burrows

                    Just think, it could have happened 3 months from now when you had even more #1 rank sites...consider this a good thing, learn from it and build back up.

                    If you can do it once you can do it again. They took away a few sites, they didn't take away your skills.
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                  • Profile picture of the author Greenfatman
                    I don't think is BMR... Google is updating all the time, I saw some changes in the end of each month, I have a site with 2 keywords #1 spot on google that disappeared 2 months ago, guess what? it just came back to the top again some days ago.And my best site was on #2 spot dropped to #6 2 days ago...I never used BMR(yet).

                    I just think it depends of the keyword and competition, google tries different sites and see how long people stay on those sites, if people leave those sites quick than yours,google will bring back your sites again to the top, of course, if there's little or no competition for your keyword, it stays on the top for a long time assuming you have great content on it.
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                • Profile picture of the author Fernando Veloso
                  Originally Posted by kindsvater View Post

                  There are various reports of late about all sites linked in a G account, and only those sites, suffering rankings drops.
                  True.

                  It's shameful BUT true. Just proves Google needs a huge lawsuit from webmasters: they can't penalize ALL sites in one account simply cause 1 site is against something.

                  I dropped ALL G things for good: webmasters tools, analytics, etc etc. And I advice everyone to do the same - otherwise you're risking your business in the hands of ONE company that can KILL your business overnight.

                  Food for thought.
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                • Profile picture of the author Petesla
                  Similar thing happened to me with BMR, but in a more comtrolled experiment. Two keywords got slapped down but not the whole site. In fact, not just more obscure pages on this site show up for these kywords.

                  I have two very similar sites, reviews of the same line of products. Different content, but same keyword targets.
                  I've been using BMR on both, as well as directory linking mostly, though there'd been articles and bookmakrs along the way. The BMR keywords were climbing nicely.
                  Then a few days ago, two pages/keywords that were nearing the first page were totally slapped off the first 100 pages. The other site is in #1 spot and has been for awhile, no penalty.
                  The other keywords on the slapped site remain in place, and they're also getting a light touch with BMR and climbing steadily.
                  The one that got slapped has way more content, has blog posts updated frequently (1 to 3 times a week). It's also on a nicely done template. And a facebook page and twitter account.

                  The one with the #1 spot has far fewer pages, more outgoing affiliate links, and no blog posts - and it's using an ugly affiliate template!
                  Weird. Love to hear any theories.
                  I've done a directory blast to both of them, but considering how many of those types never get approved or are approved at different rates it's hard to point to that - and both sites had one.
                  Mystery to me. But that's why I keep many sites and experiments going. I wasn't happy to see it happen since these to two KWs were getting near the first page, but now I'll experiment on getting it back with nothing to lose.
                  Any ideas?
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              • Profile picture of the author Cantbedone!
                Originally Posted by 36burrows View Post

                Yes they all have this
                This might be a very telling factor. If Google slapped one of your sites and saw that they are all on the same analytics account, they may take a closer look at all your sites and see if there are similar patterns that they disapprove of.

                When you have all your sites in Analytics, you have to make sure they are all pretty compliant and really legit because it wouldn't be the first time that they slap all of an owner's sites for the folly of one.
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            • Profile picture of the author swym
              Originally Posted by ahefner33 View Post

              Are they all linked via G Analytics or Webmaster Tool?
              It is better not to add all sites to these tools?
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  • Profile picture of the author ricky709
    Since yesterday few of my sites are experiencing a drop in traffic. I guess there is an update rolled our by Google....not sure though
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  • Profile picture of the author Dex88
    Thanks for this post, will definitely have a look at the websites that I am promoting in BMR as well.
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  • Profile picture of the author Fallen_Angel
    I do not use bmr and 3 days ago 3 of my websites all dropped badly. All were on first page for keywords. All have unique content. Luckily, 60% of my traffic is from social bookmarking sites. I target groups on social sites and build followings from interested users. My income over past few days has dropped though.
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  • Profile picture of the author JamesGw
    Make sure to check your anchor text and whatnot. If it's too uniform then that might have caused you to incur at least some sort of penalty. Algo change is also possible.
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  • Profile picture of the author 36burrows
    I'm in the process of building 5 new links to each page that got dropped using Blog Blueprint.

    We'll see what happens from here...
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    • Profile picture of the author dp40oz
      Originally Posted by 36burrows View Post

      I'm in the process of building 5 new links to each page that got dropped using Blog Blueprint.

      We'll see what happens from here...
      What has usually helped my sites come back is going through each page and making sure the content is as good as it can be. Maybe add a few videos and images, spice things up a bit.

      Combine pages that are too similar (this has been a big part of penalties lately). If you have a page like "foot fungus in men over 40" and "foot fungus in men over 30" just make 1 big informative page "foot fungus in men" and 301 the other pages there. The page combining thing has been the single most effective thing ive done to pull sites out of penalties. I think Google has been clamping down on sites that are trying to rank different pages for slightly different keyword phrases. Just my 2 cents but all this has helped me get my pages back to where they were and sometimes even better.
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      • Profile picture of the author Masterminding
        Now this sounds like a challenge! Here are several things I would do if I were you:

        1) You mentioned authority sites. Well, they certainly don't have 30 pages. Authority sites have hundreds, thousands or millions of pages. Plus, how long are your pages? I've seen many a study (try Seomoz for example) where longer posts tend to outperform shorter ones in the ranking. I hear people complain about 600 words, but uhm... I write 1,000-2,000 words per article and never see my rankings drop. I'm almost always on page 1 too...

        2) Interlinking: are pages from site A that you own supported by site B that you own, and so on and so forth? Google doesn't like that very much as it's artificial linkbuilding: gaining value by linking from one of your sites to the other. Sure, some links won't hurt... but hundreds or thousands will.

        3) Linkprofile: do you always get links from the same sources? And when you get links, is the link text always the same? And when you get links, are they on the homepage of that site, 1 level deep, 2 levels? In short: if it doesn't look natural, you get your but kicked.

        4) Quality: don't know who said it that Google looking at site trust is a bunch of baloney, but guess what the Panda update was? It was the first use of a self-learning mechanism to ensure quality in the search results, meaning sites give off a certain set of signals if they're of high quality and the algorhytm now refines this set of signals itself similarly to how Yandex the Russian search engine works. Don't believe me? Google Yandex, Panda update and go through the seotheory posts and seomoz posts. BTW: they started the learning by checking sites for quality by hand, looking for answers to questions like would you give your creditcard info to this site?

        5) Advertising: more ads influences rankings in a negative way.

        6) Occam's razor: sometimes the biggest problems are caused by the smallest things. Is your sitemap still up-to-date? Does your robots.txt still tell Google to index your pages? Is there no no-follow or canonical crap in the header of the entire site?

        This should help
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        • Profile picture of the author retsek
          Originally Posted by Masterminding View Post

          Now this sounds like a challenge! Here are several things I would do if I were you:

          1) You mentioned authority sites. Well, they certainly don't have 30 pages. Authority sites have hundreds, thousands or millions of pages. Plus, how long are your pages? I've seen many a study (try Seomoz for example) where longer posts tend to outperform shorter ones in the ranking. I hear people complain about 600 words, but uhm... I write 1,000-2,000 words per article and never see my rankings drop. I'm almost always on page 1 too...

          2) Interlinking: are pages from site A that you own supported by site B that you own, and so on and so forth? Google doesn't like that very much as it's artificial linkbuilding: gaining value by linking from one of your sites to the other. Sure, some links won't hurt... but hundreds or thousands will.

          3) Linkprofile: do you always get links from the same sources? And when you get links, is the link text always the same? And when you get links, are they on the homepage of that site, 1 level deep, 2 levels? In short: if it doesn't look natural, you get your but kicked.

          4) Quality: don't know who said it that Google looking at site trust is a bunch of baloney, but guess what the Panda update was? It was the first use of a self-learning mechanism to ensure quality in the search results, meaning sites give off a certain set of signals if they're of high quality and the algorhytm now refines this set of signals itself similarly to how Yandex the Russian search engine works. Don't believe me? Google Yandex, Panda update and go through the seotheory posts and seomoz posts. BTW: they started the learning by checking sites for quality by hand, looking for answers to questions like would you give your creditcard info to this site?

          5) Advertising: more ads influences rankings in a negative way.

          6) Occam's razor: sometimes the biggest problems are caused by the smallest things. Is your sitemap still up-to-date? Does your robots.txt still tell Google to index your pages? Is there no no-follow or canonical crap in the header of the entire site?

          This should help
          Quoted for Truth.

          I hope you guys read that post above. I agree with everything (except the # of pages definition of an authority site, it doesn't have to be thousands).

          Google started a new series on their blog last month where they list the algo changes they made the previous month. Look out for it in early jan to see the december changes.

          Follow the points above and in most cases your sites will be safe from panda.

          • Most important are the quality of your pages. Always have it in your mind, what would a human Google quality rater think of my site if they came across it. Chances are they never will, but it's a good baseline. Then you cater to your readers.
          • Focus more on increasing the time they spend on your site, and decreasing the bounce rate.
          • Number of ads per page and how many above the fold will become a bigger negative signal. So fix that if you haven't already.
          • If you have been pandalised already in a previous update, your best bet depending on how established the site is would be fix your content and improve user experience, then move the site with a 301 redirect to a new domain.
          • If the site is too well established, consider switching from www to non-www or vice-versa with 301 redirects.
          • Separate your good content from bad. If you don't want to get rid of the bad ones, put them on sub domains.
          • Do not abuse the wordpress tags system. A tag should have at least 3 posts or it doesn't deserve to be a tag.
          • Put stuff like forums and other user-generated content on subdomains
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  • Profile picture of the author RevSEO
    Remember that the overall value of BMR links diminish over time. The value of these blog networks come from the domains and as the blog posts get farther and farther back in the blogs "archives" the lower and lower the overall value of the links.

    BMR requires you to continually feed the "beast" in order to maintain its rankings. Of course BMR wasn't designed like that, but its just the nature of the search engine algos.

    I've also seen where BMR posts get deindexed, even though the blogs haven't been. Usually as a result of lack of backlinks across the entire blog and not enough "linkjuice" or "content" to sustain it being indexed.
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    • Profile picture of the author 36burrows
      Originally Posted by RevSEO View Post

      Remember that the overall value of BMR links diminish over time. The value of these blog networks come from the domains and as the blog posts get farther and farther back in the blogs "archives" the lower and lower the overall value of the links.

      BMR requires you to continually feed the "beast" in order to maintain its rankings. Of course BMR wasn't designed like that, but its just the nature of the search engine algos.

      I've also seen where BMR posts get deindexed, even though the blogs haven't been. Usually as a result of lack of backlinks across the entire blog and not enough "linkjuice" or "content" to sustain it being indexed.
      This is my best guess, is that the links have been devalued in some way.

      I'm now building 5 new links to each page using Blog Blueprint, hopefully it comes back!!
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      • Profile picture of the author RevSEO
        Originally Posted by 36burrows View Post

        This is my best guess, is that the links have been devalued in some way.

        I'm now building 5 new links to each page using Blog Blueprint, hopefully it comes back!!
        Not sure what blog blueprint is.

        I'd focus on your on-site factors just as much as your offsite factors. A lot of the algorithm updates have been focused on on-site factors, than the offsite.

        You mentioned that you pull in Youtube videos to your blog. Many autoblogging plugins do the same, they provide little "original" content that Youtube doesn't already have. Which is why Google would discount sites that are full of this sort of thing.
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        • Profile picture of the author 36burrows
          Originally Posted by RevSEO View Post

          Not sure what blog blueprint is.

          I'd focus on your on-site factors just as much as your offsite factors. A lot of the algorithm updates have been focused on on-site factors, than the offsite.

          You mentioned that you pull in Youtube videos to your blog. Many autoblogging plugins do the same, they provide little "original" content that Youtube doesn't already have. Which is why Google would discount sites that are full of this sort of thing.
          It's a blog network service similar to BMR.

          Also, the youtube videos aren't on these sites, only on a few micro niche sites.
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          • Profile picture of the author LiamP
            update table WEBSITES
            set SITE_STATUS = "DEINDEXED"
            where
            NUMBER_OF_POSTS_WITH_ONLY_150_WORDS > 95%
            and
            NUMBER_OF_POSTS_WITH_PICTURES < 1%
            and
            NUMBER_OF_POSTS_WITH_VIDEOS < 1%
            and
            NUMBER_OF_DAILY_POSTS > 5
            and
            LINKS_PER_150_WORDS = 1
            and
            NO_COMMON_SUBJECT_THEME = "TRUE"

            They say BMR sites don't leave a footprint, but to me they do. How many genuine sites have the above criteria?
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            • Profile picture of the author Justin Says
              Originally Posted by LiamP View Post

              update table WEBSITES
              set SITE_STATUS = "DEINDEXED"
              where
              NUMBER_OF_POSTS_WITH_ONLY_150_WORDS > 95%
              and
              NUMBER_OF_POSTS_WITH_PICTURES < 1%
              and
              NUMBER_OF_POSTS_WITH_VIDEOS < 1%
              and
              NUMBER_OF_DAILY_POSTS > 5
              and
              LINKS_PER_150_WORDS = 1
              and
              NO_COMMON_SUBJECT_THEME = "TRUE"

              They say BMR sites don't leave a footprint, but to me they do. How many genuine sites have the above criteria?
              This is why I don't trust any type of software out there like BMR or 1WayLinks. I'm not absolutely against them if used properly, but most people out there abuse them.

              I would actually prefer to see websites using these types of methods fall off of Google, but that's my own opinion and I hold nothing personal against others who use them.

              If the search engine algorithm is so "amazing", then why is it that I can blast a website with 50,000 blog comments (only for testing a few months ago) and have the website rank highly? That same website hasn't lost rankings either. I just feel that's poor search engine(ship)

              Anyways, sucks to see that your websites fell off of rankings but I really hope you are using other methods to build backlinks to your website that aren't automated. Even though they may be quite amazing, they can also destroy your business in the longrun.
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              • Profile picture of the author theverysmartguy
                Originally Posted by Justin Lewis View Post

                This is why I don't trust any type of software out there like BMR or 1WayLinks. I'm not absolutely against them if used properly, but most people out there abuse them.

                I would actually prefer to see websites using these types of methods fall off of Google, but that's my own opinion and I hold nothing personal against others who use them.

                If the search engine algorithm is so "amazing", then why is it that I can blast a website with 50,000 blog comments (only for testing a few months ago) and have the website rank highly? That same website hasn't lost rankings either. I just feel that's poor search engine(ship)

                Anyways, sucks to see that your websites fell off of rankings but I really hope you are using other methods to build backlinks to your website that aren't automated. Even though they may be quite amazing, they can also destroy your business in the longrun.
                For starters, BMR is not a software. It is a website that you submit your content to for backlinks. And yes, a website technically is software, but not in the same sense as other type of link building software.

                Because of how they run things it is pretty hard if not impossible to abuse BMR. A max of 10 links per day will go live to any single website ( if you have 5 websites that would be 50 links, 10/site); there is no link blasting with BMR.

                BMR also is selective about the type of sites they allow into the program in which they will link to. Each site is manually reviewed.

                Anyways, Yes I do think that BMR is one of the best link building systems around. It gives me good results, and that is what matters to me.

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              • Profile picture of the author cooler1
                Originally Posted by Justin Lewis View Post

                If the search engine algorithm is so "amazing", then why is it that I can blast a website with 50,000 blog comments (only for testing a few months ago) and have the website rank highly? That same website hasn't lost rankings either. I just feel that's poor search engine(ship)

                Anyways, sucks to see that your websites fell off of rankings but I really hope you are using other methods to build backlinks to your website that aren't automated. Even though they may be quite amazing, they can also destroy your business in the longrun.
                If Google were to penalize sites for mass blog commenting then anyone could just do it to their competitors site so it wouldn't make any sense.

                What type of blog comments did you make? Were they just generic spam comments? I don't know how Google could determine the value of those comments because they'd have to analyze the text on each blog.

                I thought that was up to the blog owners and anti-spam plugins to deal with spammy comments so people don't get backlinks from them, not Google.
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  • Profile picture of the author ysb888
    This week I just outrank 2 of my competitor (they use BMR) in Career niches. Anyways, I don't use BMR
    and there is still 4 more competitor currently rank above me, 2 of them (no 1 and 2) are also using BMR .
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    • Profile picture of the author oldvintageguy
      Originally Posted by ysb888 View Post

      This week I just outrank 2 of my competitor (they use BMR) in Career niches. Anyways, I don't use BMR
      and there is still 4 more competitor currently rank above me, 2 of them (no 1 and 2) are also using BMR .
      Can you please PM me with what you do? (You said what you don't use, I would like your suggestions)?
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  • Profile picture of the author JimmyR
    @36burrows I noticed you said you have a bit of an autoblog going on. I've recently noticed some of my WPRobot blogs take a smashing as well. Mine was more like position 1-2 to page 10 though
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  • Profile picture of the author Clyde
    ^^ BMR is as legit as you can get when it comes to linkbuilding.
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  • Profile picture of the author UMS
    Just checked the ranking of one of my sites that I've used BMR on (and nothing else for the past couple of weeks).

    My two main keywords have gone from #4 and #2 to #1
    And all my other keywords are either static or have had slight rises.

    Very happy.
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    • Profile picture of the author Jacko
      Yeah, it's quite difficult to come to conclusions in so short time.
      Of course changing ideas and checking similar behaviours
      can help.

      I've noticed some drop on my websites with BMR too...
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  • Profile picture of the author retsced
    It's sad to hear all your sites rankings have dropped man. I have no definitive answers to why that has happened but all i can say is that 1 of my competitive keywords took a jump from 6th to 1st position in google the other day out of the blue. I haven't built any backlinks to that keyword for two weeks so was really surprised that it jumped straight to position 1.

    The only thing i can think of is some algo change as i have done nothing recently to warrant that jump.
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  • Profile picture of the author martyJames
    I use BMR - no change in rankings
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  • Profile picture of the author kalle82
    I use senuke(and manual link building), and I have had my sites on the first page for like 6 months... I'm in the coupons nice... Yesterday the 28th septmeber 2011, I got hit really really hard taking my serp rankings for most of my sites down to 100 to 400. I also almost had this as a fulltime occupation, now it's back where I once started... ;( sucks, and I did not do anything stupid.. I have evolved my senuke method and varied my link sources senuke/manual link building. Only thing i can think of is that the content on some pages are 3 weeks old..
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  • Profile picture of the author Aaron Elliott
    An authority site of mine dropped all rankings 5 days ago. The site had many #1 rankings pulling in over 8K visits per month. I checked webmaster tools and the backlink count went from 8K to 2K. At the time rankings dropped the site had a theme error where the site looked very bad, and this didnt get fixed until 5 days. Its possible they did a manual review and sore the crappy code, or maybe just the recent update didnt like the backlinks or use of similar anchor texts... When panda first came out all sites jumped up, now I have small loses from a lot of sites and major loss of this authority site.
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    • Profile picture of the author 36burrows
      Originally Posted by Aaron Elliott View Post

      An authority site of mine dropped all rankings 5 days ago. The site had many #1 rankings pulling in over 8K visits per month. I checked webmaster tools and the backlink count went from 8K to 2K. At the time rankings dropped the site had a theme error where the site looked very bad, and this didnt get fixed until 5 days. Its possible they did a manual review and sore the crappy code, or maybe just the recent update didnt like the backlinks or use of similar anchor texts... When panda first came out all sites jumped up, now I have small loses from a lot of sites and major loss of this authority site.
      Yeah I just checked and this happened to my site. Dropped from over 10k links to under 4k overnight in Google.
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      • Profile picture of the author Clyde
        Originally Posted by 36burrows View Post

        Yeah I just checked and this happened to my site. Dropped from over 10k links to under 4k overnight in Google.
        Any idea what kind of links got discounted?
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          • Profile picture of the author theverysmartguy
            Originally Posted by laptopwarmonmylap View Post

            That's what I asked the fella. I have a feeling they were mostly BMR links. With with all of these blogs within the BMR site network full of what must be mostly derivative 150 word posts, I can see how these links could disappear over night.

            I could be way off base - but I honestly don't think so.
            No, there is no way they would have been all BMR links. BMR hasn't been out long enough for him to have had that many links from them for one site.

            Off the top of my head BMR went live in Feb 2010. If he started with it at the very beginning he would have just had around 5500 links from the BMR network. THAT IS ONLY if he did the 10 posts a day. ( this is approximate of course ). His previous posts would indicate that this was not the case.

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            • Profile picture of the author laptopwarmonmylap
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              • Profile picture of the author theverysmartguy
                Originally Posted by laptopwarmonmylap View Post

                Thanks for that. I've read many of your posts, and I understand that you pretty much exclusively use this BMR service for backlinks. If I am wrong, please forgive the misunderstanding on my part.

                But if I do understand correct - in your view, why do you think that you are seeing such good results with BMR and some here are claiming that they are not?
                Besides some automated tactics through wpsocialpipes and hootsuite yes, BMR is my main backlinking tactic.

                I cant say for sure why some people aren't having good results. There are a ton of factors. Maybe they aren't using BMR enough. If you aren't making AT LEAST 100 - 200 BMR posts a month then you are wasting your money with it.

                They recommend to target 1 keyword at a time, for some reason there are too many people who don't do that.

                Sometimes the site itself might not be up to par, as in not optimized properly.

                The way I have my sites optimized helps every page in it. I do just the right amount of deep linking that each page/post helps each other out. I don't just deep link to the main keyword pages like some people do, I deep link to the supporting pages and posts as well. That way all the juice gets thrown around properly.

                But to be honest, without seeing the site, and knowing their entire off page seo tactics I can not say why they fail. But, in my opinion, I doubt it has to do with BMR.

                There are a ton of people that use it, and we only hear from a small fraction of them. 9 times out of 10 you only hear from people that have problems with something. People love to spread negativity; it is easier to remember than the good things; simple psychology.

                I am not saying that they are complaining to complain, but it is just how things go.

                The only time that I see people WILLINGLY say good things about something is because there is something in it for them; they are an affiliate ( especially in IM ). Sometimes the same thing goes for saying bad things too.

                ( I am not selling anything, nor am I an affiliate of BMR. I don't have a WSO on the horizon, nor a product launch of any kind. I don't delve into the MMO niche to make my money. All the info I give out now or in the future is based on the RESULTS that I have gotten from my own endeavors, this includes BMR. )

                Since I use BMR exclusively ( besides the initial automated back links to each post ), if I ran into problems BMR would be a big target for my problems. However I am not going to hold my breath on that.

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                  • Profile picture of the author theverysmartguy
                    Originally Posted by laptopwarmonmylap View Post

                    Thanks, Jeff. Really appreciate the feedback. I admire your forthrightness and enjoy reading your thoughts on what is working for you. I love working with Adsense and really like hearing from people who do as well, and are doing well with it - as it appears you are.
                    You are more than welcome. I am doing well enough to be able to do this full time, yes.

                    I know how hard it is to start out, and am more than willing to part with any info that I may hold that might help you on the road ahead.

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      • Profile picture of the author Aaron Elliott
        Originally Posted by 36burrows View Post

        Yeah I just checked and this happened to my site. Dropped from over 10k links to under 4k overnight in Google.
        I only had 200 BMR posts towards this site, the other links where article network, blogs, comments, doc share, video. I think my site may have been dropped due to manual review and at the time the site was looking horrible due to a theme error which lasted 5 days. Its been a week now and no rankings are back, never seen this before not sure what to do but start again?
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  • Profile picture of the author Mrstallioninc
    do I need to caution for mini sites?
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  • Profile picture of the author Mrstallioninc
    Have you found out why your BMR dropped?
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  • Profile picture of the author sandra98
    Check out this post, which said that a Google spokesperson confirmed a panda update the past week. Looks like lots of sites got hit.

    DaniWeb Loses Over Half of Traffic: The Panda is Back. | WebProNews

    It sucks... I saw declines in rankings for a few of my newer sites that are 6 months or less. The older ones seem to be fine, and a couple even seemed to have improved.
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    • Profile picture of the author tj_inreality
      Originally Posted by sandra98 View Post

      Check out this post, which said that a Google spokesperson confirmed a panda update the past week. Looks like lots of sites got hit.

      DaniWeb Loses Over Half of Traffic: The Panda is Back. | WebProNews

      It sucks... I saw declines in rankings for a few of my newer sites that are 6 months or less. The older ones seem to be fine, and a couple even seemed to have improved.
      Thanks so much for posting this. I'm one of the people who was hit hard by the latest changes. One great thing I gleaned from this article is to noindex, nofollow search pages, which I hadn't been doing.
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  • Profile picture of the author georgerey
    I never had problems with BMR. Is your content 100% unique on your sites?
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  • Profile picture of the author Aaron Elliott
    My site lost all its rankings on 24th SEP. In place some very popular online retailers have taken my place... Some sites even rank twice on page one. Ive read the quality guidelines and I cant work out why this site got hit so hard. Its possible the backlink networks took the hit and this is why, other sites of mine all took small its 3% or so.
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  • Profile picture of the author xnice
    You need link diversity, if your all of your link depend on BMR, you can drop ranking when some site of BMR de-index.
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  • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
    Guys you just can't sit on quick links. BMR is great but whenever a site gets reviewed that uses just them Google is going to slap it silly. I mean how difficult is it to spot a service with a bunch of links in 150 word articles? Adding profile links and social bookmarks etc isn't going to change anything either.

    IF you ever want to any longevity and the ability to enter into competitive niches you are going to have to get some solid links with PR that do not just exist to give links

    Guest blogging
    getting webmasters to link to you (without being reciprocal) from authority pages
    Low OBL pages

    at least some natural looking stuff.
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  • Profile picture of the author PhilJensen
    My two cents....

    I haven't seen any drop in sites that I've used BMR with, however I don't use BMR exclusively, therefore I may not be seeing the full effect.

    This does however highlight the need to diversify your link building strategies as you would never want to rely on on method or service for such and important part of SEO.

    Phil
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  • Profile picture of the author Jeannie Crabtree
    I don't use BMR, but wanted to ask if you use SEO Search Terms Tagging 2.
    I was and the affiliate blogs I had dropped way down about mid September.

    If you look at this thread, towards the last, I brought out that the plugin maker
    now suggests that you don't do some of the hyperlinking with it that he originally
    set it up with, as he believes Google no longer accepts what this plug in was
    doing (hyperlinking tags, keywords, etc).

    http://www.warriorforum.com/adsense-...on-plugin.html


    Jeannie
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    • Profile picture of the author yukon
      Originally Posted by Jeannie Crabtree View Post

      I don't use BMR, but wanted to ask if you use SEO Search Terms Tagging 2.
      I was and the affiliate blogs I had dropped way down about mid September.

      If you look at this thread, towards the last, I brought out that the plugin maker
      now suggests that you don't do some of the hyperlinking with it that he originally
      set it up with, as he believes Google no longer accepts what this plug in was
      doing
      (hyperlinking tags, keywords, etc).

      http://www.warriorforum.com/adsense-...on-plugin.html


      Jeannie
      That's not true,

      Google doesn't have a problem with WP-Tag pages which is exactly what STT2 is doing (If you use that plugin hyperlink option).

      I keep all my STT2 keywords as plain-text, & everything is working great.

      You have to throttle the amount of keywords per page no matter what text/hyperlinks are on your web pages, with or without any plugins.

      It's up to the webmaster to control their content, the STT2 allows full control of the keyword content/links.

      BTW, If you remove the plugin footprint like I recommend in that thread/link Google will never know in a million years your running a keyword plugin. The plugin is php running server side, Google doesn't read server side code, all they see is the html source code.
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      • Profile picture of the author Jeannie Crabtree
        I am not suggesting not to use the plug in at all. Plain text is what I meant to say. Sorry if it seemed otherwise, as it is a valuable plug in.


        Jeannie

        Originally Posted by yukon View Post

        That's not true,

        Google doesn't have a problem with WP-Tag pages which is exactly what STT2 is doing (If you use that plugin hyperlink option).

        I keep all my STT2 keywords as plain-text, & everything is working great.

        You have to throttle the amount of keywords per page no matter what text/hyperlinks are on your web pages, with or without any plugins.

        It's up to the webmaster to control their content, the STT2 allows full control of the keyword content/links.

        BTW, If you remove the plugin footprint like I recommend in that thread/link Google will never know in a million years your running a keyword plugin. The plugin is php running server side, Google doesn't read server side code, all they see is the html source code.
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        • Profile picture of the author Kelvin12
          One of my sites, that began getting over 400 unique visitors a day, took a massive hit about 3 days ago. I now get about 40 visitors a day !! :-(
          I was doing about 6-10 BMR links a day (varied keywords), but I think the problem was that most of them were going to the homepage.
          Let's give it a couple of days and monitor the rankings.
          I was getting excited because the revenue increased by 400% or so....
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  • Profile picture of the author evaseidel
    I have read from different posts here that BMR doesn't work anymore.
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    • Profile picture of the author MaverickUK
      Originally Posted by evaseidel View Post

      I have read from different posts here that BMR doesn't work anymore.
      They're liars and/or idiots, ignore them.
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    • Profile picture of the author 36burrows
      Originally Posted by evaseidel View Post

      I have read from different posts here that BMR doesn't work anymore.
      No it works, and works great. However, you need to be using other sources of backlinking.

      All of the pages I've been using BMR for have dropped, my home page dropped as well but not nearly as much because I frequently use other sources of linking to my homepage.

      It's just the inner pages that I haven't been using other sources of links, simply because BMR was doing such a wonderful job with them by itself.
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  • Profile picture of the author chrislangley
    It wouldn't come as a surprise if the search engines have amended their algorithm to target BMR type sites
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  • Profile picture of the author Kelvin12
    That would suck.
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  • Profile picture of the author chintangurjar
    Good to hear that you stay away from link explosions, not sure why people like them so much when they do so much damage.
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  • Profile picture of the author mikemunter
    Hey man,

    Both my site and a client site that i've built probably 100+ bmr links with for kw's have dropped dramatically the last few days.

    BMR was my main source of link building until bout a month ago when i started hitting AMR hard (but not for all the same kw's).

    Trying to figure out whats going on - and of course, John stopped new BMR customers today.

    Any luck getting rankings back? Any other thoughts?

    Thanks,
    Mike
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    • Profile picture of the author HKSEO Rotzee
      Originally Posted by mikemunter View Post

      Hey man,

      Both my site and a client site that i've built probably 100+ bmr links with for kw's have dropped dramatically the last few days.

      BMR was my main source of link building until bout a month ago when i started hitting AMR hard (but not for all the same kw's).

      Trying to figure out whats going on - and of course, John stopped new BMR customers today.

      Any luck getting rankings back? Any other thoughts?

      Thanks,
      Mike
      There are other Article networks out there and other ways to get HighPR backlinks...

      There area also other's that do BOTH =)
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  • Profile picture of the author amiramin
    i have also seen a drop from #3 to #11
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  • Profile picture of the author GGpaul
    I've seen an increase on all of my pages. I'll be creating a thread soon with pictures and everything.
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    • Profile picture of the author JeanneLynn
      Originally Posted by GGpaul View Post

      I've seen an increase on all of my pages. I'll be creating a thread soon with pictures and everything.
      That's great news! What position are your Keywords in now? Are you submitting the max posts each day?
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      • Profile picture of the author GGpaul
        Originally Posted by JeanneLynn View Post

        That's great news! What position are your Keywords in now? Are you submitting the max posts each day?
        One of my keywords went from rank 4 to rank 2.

        Another one was flagged or completely gone now in page 5.

        Most of them are toggling between pages 1-2.

        I'm submitting 4-6.

        My posts are too thin though; in other words I'm backlinking all keywords (10 different pages on the site).

        I should just focus one at a time with a variety of anchor text.
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        • Profile picture of the author JeanneLynn
          Originally Posted by GGpaul View Post

          One of my keywords went from rank 4 to rank 2.

          Another one was flagged or completely gone now in page 5.

          Most of them are toggling between pages 1-2.

          I'm submitting 4-6.

          My posts are too thin though; in other words I'm backlinking all keywords (10 different pages on the site).

          I should just focus one at a time with a variety of anchor text.
          I'm only using BMR on 2 of my sites. One of the sites is doing real well, up to page 2 for a very competitive keyword. Prior to using BMR, this site couldn't even be found in the first 20 pages. This site is only PR1 and it's 6 months old. This site has about 30 pages of unique content.

          My other site is not doing as well. It's a PR3 and it went up to the first page of Google and stayed there for about 2 weeks (position 6) for a very competitive keyword. However, last week, it completely dropped into Google oblivion. It's now on page 12. This site has 10 pages of unique content, but the articles are very long and detailed. One of the articles is 7500 words, the other 9 articles are between 800 and 2000 words each.

          I've got to get a little more focused. I'm getting a little frustrated because the site that has dropped has had the most BMR posts. I've done about 240 BMR posts for this site and used keyword variations for diversity. I'm going to keep going and see what happens. Plus, I really want the site to do better as the keywords are more profitable.

          I'm thinking it's the Google dance. The site isn't a thin site and it doesn't have many ads on it. This site is still on the first page of Yahoo and Bing, just fell out of Google.
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          • Profile picture of the author GGpaul
            Originally Posted by JeanneLynn View Post

            I'm only using BMR on 2 of my sites. One of the sites is doing real well, up to page 2 for a very competitive keyword. Prior to using BMR, this site couldn't even be found in the first 20 pages. This site is only PR1 and it's 6 months old. This site has about 30 pages of unique content.

            My other site is not doing as well. It's a PR3 and it went up to the first page of Google and stayed there for about 2 weeks (position 6) for a very competitive keyword. However, last week, it completely dropped into Google oblivion. It's now on page 12. This site has 10 pages of unique content, but the articles are very long and detailed. One of the articles is 7500 words, the other 9 articles are between 800 and 2000 words each.

            I've got to get a little more focused. I'm getting a little frustrated because the site that has dropped has had the most BMR posts. I've done about 240 BMR posts for this site and used keyword variations for diversity. I'm going to keep going and see what happens. Plus, I really want the site to do better as the keywords are more profitable.

            I'm thinking it's the Google dance. The site isn't a thin site and it doesn't have many ads on it. This site is still on the first page of Yahoo and Bing, just fell out of Google.
            That's normal. One of my keyword was completely gone, not even in top 300 and that was using BMR. Now it's on page 4.
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  • Profile picture of the author satrap
    Originally Posted by 36burrows View Post


    One of them was ranked #1 for a tough health keyword, it dropped to #5 for that one, rest of the pages dropped too.
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    To be honest, that doesn't seem like anything really unusual. I mean, going from 1 to 5 is normal especially in a competitive niche as health niche. I mean, you have competition and while you are working on SEO, they are not sitting on there behind either. So, your site goes down, you do more, it goes back up.

    I am in "make money online' niche and I rank #2 for make money online keyword, but there are days I go down to number 6 and same with many other keywords I rank for. The more competitive your niche is, the more up and down you can expect as there are big competitors who are working hard to get ahead. I would just continue to work on SEO as much as possible.


    I wouldn't think BMR alone has anything to do with that. There are so many different things that can factor in here, that it is almost impossible to pin pint the exact cause.

    But, of course as human we want to know and we are always quick to find a suspect.
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  • Profile picture of the author HKSEO Rotzee
    For what its worth, in BMR's defense. I am not aware of any High PR links hurting anyone. Your more likely screwing up somewhere else if this is happening.
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  • Profile picture of the author Agoge Warrior
    I laugh every time a bunch of ya'lls site's drop in the Google SERPS and you start complaining about this service or that service or BMR or ALN or whatever. The fact of the matter is NO ONE knows why their site dropped but the one thing we do know is that there was probably a Google algo shakeup of some kind.
    I've had sites drop a few notches after a Google algorithm update but thenthey go right back to where they were a few days or maybe a few weeks after that.
    So far, I've used BMR like it was going out of style, plus other types of backlinking as well for diversification. But all of my sites continue to rank well or rank where they have been lately. Nothing drastic, and even if I had sites that did tank to page 10, I would not go and panic and come flying to the WF board moaning and groaning about it's this or that why my site tanked.
    I keep working diligently on my sites and continue to backlink to either keep them at the top or improve their current rankings.
    Coming on here wasting time about why or if BMR is to blame is a waste of your time. Period!
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  • Profile picture of the author dminorfmajor
    It's just Google dancing guys, sites that life off of "natural backlinks" drop often too. Just keep working it boys.
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