BMR Stagnant Back-links

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I was wondering if anyone has had any issues with stagnant backlinks, I've written a couple hundred articles on BMR, and one of my sites is using it as practically all it's backlinks right now as an experiment.

I've been watching the backlinks everyday and my alexa rank:

Here was the flow of backlinks to the domain:

Sept 11 - 320
Sept 12 - 323
Sept 13 - 324
Sept 14 - 330
Sept 15 - 323
Sept 16 - 337
Sept 17 - 341
Sept 18 - (Didn't Record)
Sept 19 - 345
Sept 20 - 344
Sept 21 -338
Sept 22 - 336
Sept 23 - 327
Sept 24 - 322
Sept 25 - 331
Sept 26 - 322
Sept 27 - 318
Sept 28 - 320
Sept 29 - 306

I'm a little baffled, Sept 11 - 320, all time high Sept 19 - 345, Sept 29-306

In that time period I've added 180 BMR posts give or take.

Anyone else having this issue, this site has at least 250 BMR post to it, so I have no idea what is going on but this is very very frustrating.
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  • Profile picture of the author theverysmartguy
    Originally Posted by RatRaceWatch View Post

    I was wondering if anyone has had any issues with stagnant backlinks, I've written a couple hundred articles on BMR, and one of my sites is using it as practically all it's backlinks right now as an experiment.

    I've been watching the backlinks everyday and my alexa rank:

    Here was the flow of backlinks to the domain:

    Sept 11 - 320
    Sept 12 - 323
    Sept 13 - 324
    Sept 14 - 330
    Sept 15 - 323
    Sept 16 - 337
    Sept 17 - 341
    Sept 18 - (Didn't Record)
    Sept 19 - 345
    Sept 20 - 344
    Sept 21 -338
    Sept 22 - 336
    Sept 23 - 327
    Sept 24 - 322
    Sept 25 - 331
    Sept 26 - 322
    Sept 27 - 318
    Sept 28 - 320
    Sept 29 - 306

    I'm a little baffled, Sept 11 - 320, all time high Sept 19 - 345, Sept 29-306

    In that time period I've added 180 BMR posts give or take.

    Anyone else having this issue, this site has at least 250 BMR post to it, so I have no idea what is going on but this is very very frustrating.
    Has this affected your rankings at all?

    You are obviously using a backlinks tool to get this info right? Well when using those tools you aren't going to get an accurate figure, and yes, it does have the possibility to fluctuate.

    The amount of backlinks really don't matter compared to your ranking. If you keep seeing an increase in rankings over all, then obviously something is going right.

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  • Profile picture of the author 36burrows
    When the links are first created they count as 2 sometimes because the homepage link and the link within the individual post itself.

    When it falls of the homepage then the link will go away too.
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  • Profile picture of the author RatRaceWatch
    My position in the google search engine has been going back and forth on the lower part of page 1 and top part of page 2.

    As for Alexa Rank:
    Sept 11 - 1,708,075
    Sept 14 - 1,704,723
    Sept 15 - 1,707,352
    Sept 16 - 1,652,054
    Sep 17 - 1,611,796
    Sept 19 - 1,608,969
    Sept 20 - 1,568,877
    Sept 21 - 1,571,155
    Sept 23 - 1,570,452
    Sept 24 - 1,569,785
    Sept 25 - 1,566,469
    Sept 27 - 1,565,661
    Sept 28 - 1,568,687
    Sept 29 - 1,567,824

    The Alexa Ranking has mainly gotten better, but it shot up a little a couple random times and these past few days.

    I am using the firefox tool SEO Quake to check my backlinks to domain aka LD


    As for what 36burrows said, I completely understand that. The thing I don't get is if I've been doing 10 post a day, every single day since the start, and 180 posts later I'm at less backlinks when the majority are BMR backlinks. That just doesn't make a whole lot of sense.

    The problem I'm having with BMR right now is:
    #1 I don't know if the cost is worth the reward: $59 bucks a month for a site that just hit maybe $50 a month, plus the labor of writing 10 posts everyday (kinda frustrating).
    #2 Lot of effort invested in one service, that if it disappears, thats a lot of work gone in thin air, even if I were to start diversifying my backlink strategy, it still wouldn't take away the hard work writing 250 posts.

    So this is tough for me, because I love the results I've seen with BMR, but it's hard to determine if it's reached it's plateau.
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      • Profile picture of the author RatRaceWatch
        I agree that Alexa Rank is not exactly the most accurate, but it does have some worth. We'll have to disagree on that point. As for reasoning? Would you rather have a website that's in the top 100,000, or 2 million. It does factor into some of the value of your site.

        Pinging backlinks is not the point here. It's not so much that I need to go out and ping all these backlinks. It's that naturally, my backlinks were increasing, and 20 days later, it's gone back to less than before.

        That's the part that doesn't make sense. I shouldn't have to ping the backlinks. That's the whole point of BMR.

        Originally Posted by laptopwarmonmylap View Post

        Who really pays attention to Alexa rank and for what reason? All I care about, mostly, is the number of unique visitors I get daily and the conversions from that traffic.

        If your backlinks are not showing up with this BMR service, why not just ping them and/or gather them into an RSS feed or feeds and ping the heck out those things? Plus, if these links only stay on the home page with the higher PR for a short period of time, doing this pinging would make it more likely that the higher PR link would show up for you, for whatever that is worth.
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    • Profile picture of the author patrich
      Originally Posted by RatRaceWatch View Post

      My position in the google search engine has been going back and forth on the lower part of page 1 and top part of page 2.

      As for Alexa Rank:
      Sept 11 - 1,708,075
      Sept 14 - 1,704,723
      Sept 15 - 1,707,352
      Sept 16 - 1,652,054
      Sep 17 - 1,611,796
      Sept 19 - 1,608,969
      Sept 20 - 1,568,877
      Sept 21 - 1,571,155
      Sept 23 - 1,570,452
      Sept 24 - 1,569,785
      Sept 25 - 1,566,469
      Sept 27 - 1,565,661
      Sept 28 - 1,568,687
      Sept 29 - 1,567,824

      The Alexa Ranking has mainly gotten better, but it shot up a little a couple random times and these past few days.

      I am using the firefox tool SEO Quake to check my backlinks to domain aka LD


      As for what 36burrows said, I completely understand that. The thing I don't get is if I've been doing 10 post a day, every single day since the start, and 180 posts later I'm at less backlinks when the majority are BMR backlinks. That just doesn't make a whole lot of sense.

      The problem I'm having with BMR right now is:
      #1 I don't know if the cost is worth the reward: $59 bucks a month for a site that just hit maybe $50 a month, plus the labor of writing 10 posts everyday (kinda frustrating).
      #2 Lot of effort invested in one service, that if it disappears, thats a lot of work gone in thin air, even if I were to start diversifying my backlink strategy, it still wouldn't take away the hard work writing 250 posts.

      So this is tough for me, because I love the results I've seen with BMR, but it's hard to determine if it's reached it's plateau.
      I have found it a lot easier to write my BMR posts with a text to speech program, I use Dragon Naturally Speaking, I think it cost like a $100. I am not a very fast typist but I can roll ideas out really quickly so using Dragon allowed me to speed up my article writing time at least 30 percent if not more.
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      • Profile picture of the author RatRaceWatch
        Thats a very interesting concept, never though of the idea of a text to speech program, something to look into.

        Now I just gota figure out what the hell is going on with BMR, and these backlinks.
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  • Profile picture of the author MaverickUK
    I don't know why people seem to think writing articles to get backlinks is 'hard work'. Go get a job in labour and then tell me writing a few words sitting at a computer is 'hard work'. It takes 5-10 minutes to write a 150 character article, which isn't bad for a decent backlink.

    You're only at "less backlinks" because the posts are rolling off the homepage. So 10 minutes work for 1 powerful, although temporary backlink and one permanent backlink, what more do you want?
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    • Profile picture of the author theverysmartguy
      Originally Posted by MaverickUK View Post

      I don't know why people seem to think writing articles to get backlinks is 'hard work'. Go get a job in labour and then tell me writing a few words sitting at a computer is 'hard work'. It takes 5-10 minutes to write a 150 character article, which isn't bad for a decent backlink.
      10 mins would be on the high side too. Hell, even 5 mins is high. I usually get most of my 10 150 word posts done within 30 mins.

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    • Profile picture of the author 36burrows
      Originally Posted by MaverickUK View Post

      I don't know why people seem to think writing articles to get backlinks is 'hard work'. Go get a job in labour and then tell me writing a few words sitting at a computer is 'hard work'. It takes 5-10 minutes to write a 150 character article, which isn't bad for a decent backlink.

      You're only at "less backlinks" because the posts are rolling off the homepage. So 10 minutes work for 1 powerful, although temporary backlink and one permanent backlink, what more do you want?
      You can even outsource it for cheap
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  • Profile picture of the author RatRaceWatch
    Alright let me address a few things.

    To Maverick: When I say hard work, I don't know how much effort you put into your BMR Post, but I try to make sure they are half way decent. I type about 65-70 wpm, and it usually takes me around 45 min. to write 10 posts.

    I value my time, and when I see something that may not have long term usefulness, I question it.

    As for me saying it's hard work. Yes, It's a pain in the ass to keep up with something where the compensation doesn't equal the work. Maybe that will change with time, but as for right now I would technically be losing money.

    And also in regards to them falling off the hompage Maverick - you said "You're only at "less backlinks" because the posts are rolling off the homepage." That doesn't make any sense. Just because a backlink rolls off the homepage doesn't mean it's suppose to go away. Of course the ranking drops, but that's not what I'm talking about here.

    I'm saying that 180 posts later, I'm at less backlinks then I was before.

    To 36burrows:

    As for outsourcing BMR posts, that is a little on the costly side for me right now. I still haven't seen the results in terms of monetization to justify that cause
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    • Profile picture of the author patrich
      Originally Posted by RatRaceWatch View Post

      Alright let me address a few things.

      To Maverick: When I say hard work, I don't know how much effort you put into your BMR Post, but I try to make sure they are half way decent. I type about 65-70 wpm, and it usually takes me around 45 min. to write 10 posts.

      I value my time, and when I see something that may not have long term usefulness, I question it.

      As for me saying it's hard work. Yes, It's a pain in the ass to keep up with something where the compensation doesn't equal the work. Maybe that will change with time, but as for right now I would technically be losing money.

      And also in regards to them falling off the hompage Maverick - you said "You're only at "less backlinks" because the posts are rolling off the homepage." That doesn't make any sense. Just because a backlink rolls off the homepage doesn't mean it's suppose to go away. Of course the ranking drops, but that's not what I'm talking about here.

      I'm saying that 180 posts later, I'm at less backlinks then I was before.

      To 36burrows:

      As for outsourcing BMR posts, that is a little on the costly side for me right now. I still haven't seen the results in terms of monetization to justify that cause
      The reason you are seeing less backlinks is that initially, you are getting credited for 2 backlinks when you write a bmr post. You get the backlink from the homepage and the backlink that is the actual post on an inner page.

      When the post rolls off the homepage, you lose 1 backlink, but the inner link remains intact. So if you are showing 30 backlinks after posting, they roll off and you might be left with 15 or whatever, all of which are from the inner pages where your blog post now resides permanently.
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  • Profile picture of the author RatRaceWatch
    So the question now is, if i started off at 320 - Sept 11, and I'm now at 306 - Sept 29

    If the average time a link is on the site is 5 days. That's maybe 50 posts getting 2 links credit which equals a 100.

    I've done 180 posts in that time frame, so double that is 360 added links, but If i'm only getting 1 link value after they fall off main page, I'm still missing 180 additional links that should of been added in that time frame lol.
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  • Profile picture of the author IM Ash
    From a business perspective I will say you should abandon the BMR service. If you spending an hour each day writing articles to experience a negative ROI it just does not make business sense.

    From an SEO perspective I will advise you to concentrate on submitting at least 5 guest posts a month to blogs that have a domain authority of 50+ (check opensiteexplorer for domain authority). This approach will help you maintain your rank, you may even experience a boost, and by guest posting on relevent blogs there will also be the added benefit of generating more traffic.
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  • Profile picture of the author Matt Ward
    I would say the main problem is that you're spending so much time worrying about some arbitrary figure some random software is spitting out for the number of "backlinks" your site has.
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  • Profile picture of the author d0rhk
    If your rank is suffering, then do something about it, open a ticket with BMR.

    If your rank is staying somewhat the same (not dropping 10-20 spots every few days) then don't worry so much about it.
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  • Profile picture of the author RatRaceWatch
    To Laptop:

    I'm not sure what to expect from BMR. Did it get me to page 1, yes it did. But the biggest issue is long term. I was concerned about the backlinks, that's why I posted here to see if anyone was having the same issue. No one has suggested a viable solution other than to discredit the concern. They may very well be right, that it's something I shouldn't concern myself with, but at the same time, I can't help but raise an eyebrow at the strangeness of the decrease in backlinks.

    To Eleva:

    This is exactly how I'm feeling. From a business perspective, at the moment, it's not making much sense. I haven't given BMR enough time, but as I add on to it, that's only many more post I'm going to have to come up with everyday in hopes that my monetization far outweighs the expense. It will be tough to determine whether this is something I will continue over the next few months, but I wanted to raise the backlink issue as a concern.

    To Matt:

    You may be right, as for the amount of time spend, maybe 30 min? I just decided to address this issue, and I wouldn't consider that spending too much time, especially to get feedback from the community, you never know what you'll learn, and it's good for us to share concerns and ideas, to better approach these issues.

    To D0rhk:

    Thankfully my SERP is fine. But I'm analyzing all factors, because I'm looking at the long-term effects. If my backlinks continues to stay the same, there might be a problem here.
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  • Profile picture of the author MaverickUK
    When i say it 'rolls off the page', it takes time for the back link checkers to reflect the change of the link being on a new page. In the meantime, Google will notice that the link is no longer on the home page (which is indexed more frequently than the latter pages) and back link checkers will reflect this.

    Also why would you even care that the back link checkers don't reflect your backlinks? If you want solid proof that your links still exist simply keep a document with all the links in it, then check to see if they're still indexed in Google or whether they've disappeared.

    You will find that the links still exist, however if you wish to disprove me do as i suggested and let us know how it goes. I'll be interested to hear the results.
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    • Profile picture of the author RatRaceWatch
      Not sure where you're getting this mindset that I would wish to try to disprove you. My discrepancy is not whether the backlinks exist, it's that yahoo site explorer has decreased after 180 added posts on BMR in an 18 day time frame.

      I think some people on the warrior forum missed the point of these threads, I see too many of people trying to start up controversy (not saying you are), but just generally stating.

      I have an issue that is a concern of mine, and my OP was, if anyone had this similar issue.

      Lol, now i have replies about the validity of alexa rank, disproving things, what my numbers mean (read the post), etc.

      Wow....

      Originally Posted by MaverickUK View Post

      When i say it 'rolls off the page', it takes time for the back link checkers to reflect the change of the link being on a new page. In the meantime, Google will notice that the link is no longer on the home page (which is indexed more frequently than the latter pages) and back link checkers will reflect this.

      Also why would you even care that the back link checkers don't reflect your backlinks? If you want solid proof that your links still exist simply keep a document with all the links in it, then check to see if they're still indexed in Google or whether they've disappeared.

      You will find that the links still exist, however if you wish to disprove me do as i suggested and let us know how it goes. I'll be interested to hear the results.
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      • Profile picture of the author cyberadi
        May i have new site with couple of pages and only directories articles backlinks submitted by plugin, for a couple of first weeks, to only test how my site is ranked in serps and after that to make efforts for really quality SEO?
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  • Profile picture of the author Valuable Solos
    What does Alexa Ranking have to do with BMR, backlink count and Google rankings?

    Alexa Rank will naturally go down over time because you are visiting your own site.
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  • Profile picture of the author outwest
    What are these numbers t
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    320 on blah blah date etc

    those are the backlinks showing to your site?
    your site rank? in the serps?
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    • Profile picture of the author RatRaceWatch
      Did you even read the thread?

      Originally Posted by outwest View Post

      What are these numbers t
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      320 on blah blah date etc

      those are the backlinks showing to your site?
      your site rank? in the serps?
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  • Profile picture of the author dp40oz
    Originally Posted by RatRaceWatch View Post

    I was wondering if anyone has had any issues with stagnant backlinks, I've written a couple hundred articles on BMR, and one of my sites is using it as practically all it's backlinks right now as an experiment.

    I've been watching the backlinks everyday and my alexa rank:

    Here was the flow of backlinks to the domain:

    Sept 11 - 320
    Sept 12 - 323
    Sept 13 - 324
    Sept 14 - 330
    Sept 15 - 323
    Sept 16 - 337
    Sept 17 - 341
    Sept 18 - (Didn't Record)
    Sept 19 - 345
    Sept 20 - 344
    Sept 21 -338
    Sept 22 - 336
    Sept 23 - 327
    Sept 24 - 322
    Sept 25 - 331
    Sept 26 - 322
    Sept 27 - 318
    Sept 28 - 320
    Sept 29 - 306

    I'm a little baffled, Sept 11 - 320, all time high Sept 19 - 345, Sept 29-306

    In that time period I've added 180 BMR posts give or take.

    Anyone else having this issue, this site has at least 250 BMR post to it, so I have no idea what is going on but this is very very frustrating.
    You need to vary your link building, link building rate, and anchor text if you want to start moving those SERPS again. 10 posts a day, everyday to the same page with similar anchor text is really just not very natural. You need to start adding in some "link noise" as I call it. Basically loads of low PR links that are constantly humming around and being found by Google. These links should add tons of different anchor texts to your link portfolio as well as keep Google noticing your pages "buzz".

    BMR is extremely powerful when used as the icing on the cake of link building. Those who look at it as their main link building tool usually find that their SERPs get stuck. Many people including myself have realized that there isn't much difference between getting 20 BMR links and 200 BMR links to a page. The more you vary the anchor text the more movement you'll see but even that wears off. I can't stress this enough people... use other methods of link building in addition to BMR and look at BMR as the added spice to the recipe. If you get some SERP momentum going then throw in some BMR you'll really see the power.
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  • Profile picture of the author RatRaceWatch
    Well said, the good thing is I very much vary the anchor text, which I think has helped me in a lot of ways. Now I've got to figure out how to supplement that effort, and see what I can do. I really like the strategy on the smart passive income blog, but i really am not interested in paying for another service such as UAW, best article spinner, or blog blue print right now, so I'll just have to see what I can come up with.
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    • Profile picture of the author dp40oz
      Originally Posted by RatRaceWatch View Post

      Well said, the good thing is I very much vary the anchor text, which I think has helped me in a lot of ways. Now I've got to figure out how to supplement that effort, and see what I can do. I really like the strategy on the smart passive income blog, but i really am not interested in paying for another service such as UAW, best article spinner, or blog blue print right now, so I'll just have to see what I can come up with.
      If you don't want to spend money I would use Free Traffic System. They're links aren't great but they're perfect for building a base of "noise". You can take your BMR posts that are already indexed combine them to form 1, 300 word article. Throw into a spinner tool and do a quick spin. Then add a bunch of different anchor text variations for the keywords and start getting tons of low PR links out there that are consistently buzzing around and you don't need to write new articles as I am sure you have a boat load already submitted to BMR.

      If you are willing to make a $20-30 investment go on GoDaddy auctions pick up a cheap PR2-4 website thats expired, submit it to Authority Link Network and do the same thing I mentioned with Free Traffic System. As long as you have a PR domain you get free submits and the links are a bit higher caliber.
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  • Hey,

    I too do articles submissions in BMR and yes for the first few it worked as the ranking of the site I have submitted articles for has been gone up but now it is not happening though the submissions for the same site I did more than earlier. I don't know the exact reason but what I have concluded is that BMR submits the articles to very low PR sites which all even I came to know after seeing my article there. don't exactly know what the problem is going on.
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  • Profile picture of the author Clyde
    No backlinks count is 100% accurate.

    I'm pretty sure you'll get different backlinks count with Ahrefs.com, Majestic SEO, YSE and OSE.

    The effectiveness of BMR will go down as they have a limited number of blogs they can post to so if you think it's tapped out, time to move to a different network and focus your effort there. There are at least 5 others.
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  • Profile picture of the author Natlex
    That's a bit odd I suppose but honestly, as others have pointed out, it's really NOT an important metric. Measure your rankings instead. (before, during, and a few months after your BMR push).
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