Why most people don't install Google Analytics on Mini Niche Site?

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As the title of this topic , Can you tell me why ?
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  • Profile picture of the author Anna Howard
    May be because as most of the clients are un technical thus they wont be knowing that they can monitor traffic with on their websites too as too with the help of Google Analytics....
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  • Profile picture of the author whateverpedia
    Because having it installed slows your site loading speed down dramatically, and why would you want to give the big G even more information than they already have on you.
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    • Profile picture of the author yukon
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      Originally Posted by whateverpedia View Post

      Because having it installed slows your site loading speed down dramatically, and why would you want to give the big G even more information than they already have on you.
      Lol, it does not slow down your site (what a load). :rolleyes:

      Most guys don't install Google Analytics because they are paranoid G will stalk them (lol). This most times is the same guys running Adsense, like G doesn't track Adsense.
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      • Profile picture of the author MikeFriedman
        Originally Posted by yukon View Post

        This most times is the same guys running Adsense, like G doesn't track Adsense.

        This is the part that always cracks me up.

        "I don't want Google to have any extra information about my site. On a side note, what size AdSense block will work best?"

        Dumbasses.
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        • Profile picture of the author patrich
          Originally Posted by MikeFriedman View Post

          This is the part that always cracks me up.

          "I don't want Google to have any extra information about my site. On a side note, what size AdSense block will work best?"

          Dumbasses.
          Here is an interesting story for you Mike, in regards to this topic.

          I have a very large education site, monetized primarily with google adsense. About a year and a half ago the site was earning around $150 per day in adsense and I was thinking about selling it to get a "lump sum" of money to invest into other projects. My plan was to sell it on Flippa, however, as many people know when listing a Flippa auction they like to verify your traffic, etc., with google analytics.

          I had never installed google analytics on any of my sites before this point, simply because I really don't care how much traffic I have, all I care about are the earnings from the site.

          So, I added the analytics code to my site which is in the number 2 position for its main keyword and had been for more than a year at that point. The following morning after adding analytics I woke up to find that my site had dropped from position 2 to somewhere on page 3 of the results. That day my earnings went from $150 to about $3 and I went into panic mode. Knowing the only change I had made to the site was adding analytics I quickly decided to remove it. The following morning my site was back at number 2.

          About 4 or 5 months later I had managed to convince myself that it was a coincidence and that analytics had nothing to do with the decline in rankings. So, I again installed analytics keeping in mind that I was still in the #2 spot. The next morning, my site had fallen about 30 - 40 positions for its main search term and again my earnings plummeted.

          This time, I thought maybe I will leave the analytics on for a few days and see if it recovers. A few days later my site was still losing over a $100 per day, the rankings had not come back and I decided to remove them. The next morning, you guessed it, my site was back to the number 2 position and has remained there.

          So, regardless of what anyone else thinks about whether or not analytics can effect your rankings negatively, I will never install them again.

          So why did this happen? My guess would be that I had a very high bounce rate, because I had a very high ctr on my adsense. In other words people would hit my site, click on an ad and leave. Analytics was tracking this bounce rate and decided that since it was so high, I must not be a "good" result for the search term and dropped me. That is the only theory that makes sense to me.
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          • Profile picture of the author dminorfmajor
            Originally Posted by patrich View Post

            Here is an interesting story for you Mike, in regards to this topic.

            I have a very large education site, monetized primarily with google adsense. About a year and a half ago the site was earning around $150 per day in adsense and I was thinking about selling it to get a "lump sum" of money to invest into other projects. My plan was to sell it on Flippa, however, as many people know when listing a Flippa auction they like to verify your traffic, etc., with google analytics.

            I had never installed google analytics on any of my sites before this point, simply because I really don't care how much traffic I have, all I care about are the earnings from the site.

            So, I added the analytics code to my site which is in the number 2 position for its main keyword and had been for more than a year at that point. The following morning after adding analytics I woke up to find that my site had dropped from position 2 to somewhere on page 3 of the results. That day my earnings went from $150 to about $3 and I went into panic mode. Knowing the only change I had made to the site was adding analytics I quickly decided to remove it. The following morning my site was back at number 2.

            About 4 or 5 months later I had managed to convince myself that it was a coincidence and that analytics had nothing to do with the decline in rankings. So, I again installed analytics keeping in mind that I was still in the #2 spot. The next morning, my site had fallen about 30 - 40 positions for its main search term and again my earnings plummeted.

            This time, I thought maybe I will leave the analytics on for a few days and see if it recovers. A few days later my site was still losing over a $100 per day, the rankings had not come back and I decided to remove them. The next morning, you guessed it, my site was back to the number 2 position and has remained there.

            So, regardless of what anyone else thinks about whether or not analytics can effect your rankings negatively, I will never install them again.

            So why did this happen? My guess would be that I had a very high bounce rate, because I had a very high ctr on my adsense. In other words people would hit my site, click on an ad and leave. Analytics was tracking this bounce rate and decided that since it was so high, I must not be a "good" result for the search term and dropped me. That is the only theory that makes sense to me.
            I've worked fairly hard on my main AdSense site for almost a year now. I've been stuck at #2 for the main keyword for most of that time thanks to the DIYnetwork. I've also had analytics up since day one. After hearing about people straying from analytics for the first time and reading Pat's story, I'm taking analytics off right this minute. I never check it anyway. Adsense impressions are good enough for me.

            Thanks for the post Pat

            PS,
            The worst part about this is I've put analytics on every single page of every single site I have. Palm to Face.
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            • Profile picture of the author JustMago
              Originally Posted by dminorfmajor View Post

              I've worked fairly hard on my main AdSense site for almost a year now. I've been stuck at #2 for the main keyword for most of that time thanks to the DIYnetwork. I've also had analytics up since day one. After hearing about people straying from analytics for the first time and reading Pat's story, I'm taking analytics off right this minute. I never check it anyway. Adsense impressions are good enough for me.

              Thanks for the post Pat

              PS,
              The worst part about this is I've put analytics on every single page of every single site I have. Palm to Face.
              Let us know if there are any changes by tomorrow morning, won't ya?
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          • Profile picture of the author Rndmals
            Originally Posted by patrich View Post

            I woke up to find that my site had dropped from position 2 to somewhere on page 3 of the results. That day my earnings went from $150 to about $3
            I've heard similar, and totally believe you, it's just pretty incredible every time I see it.

            The idea of using analytics stats for ranking algorythm doesn't seem to be far fetched, IMO.

            I'd had Analytics installed on every site I own, but on the last two I installed StatCounter instead just to experiment. These are very new sites and I'd like to see what the difference will be as far as ranking them etc.

            Definitely subscribed to this thread.
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          • Profile picture of the author jordyhill
            Originally Posted by patrich View Post

            I woke up to find that my site had dropped from position 2 to somewhere on page 3 of the results. That day my earnings went from $150 to about $3 and I went into panic mode. Knowing the only change I had made to the site was adding analytics I quickly decided to remove it. The following morning my site was back at number 2.
            Patrich you have started an Anti G.A. revolution here. I too have just removed the only site I have G.A. working on. The only site that I have that went from #14 to nowhere! Its not an Adsense site but it's no coincidence either. Will check tomorrow.

            Thanks man
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            • Profile picture of the author patrich
              Originally Posted by jordyhill View Post

              Patrich you have started an Anti G.A. revolution here. I too have just removed the only site I have G.A. working on. The only site that I have that went from #14 to nowhere! Its not an Adsense site but it's no coincidence either. Will check tomorrow.

              Thanks man
              lol, that is too funny.

              The thing is, you can't race to conclusions because of one persons experience. If you, or anyone else, are concerned about how GA may or may not be affecting your site, then test, test, test. That is really the only way to decide for yourself whether or not it is a problem.

              And, I really don't think that GA is a problem for every site. In fact, I suspect it might benefit some sites. If they are using the data to determine certain things about ones website, they may decide that your site is more relevant for the results and boost your rankings as a result, I really don't know what they use or how they use it.
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              • Profile picture of the author jordyhill
                Originally Posted by patrich View Post

                lol, that is too funny.

                The thing is, you can't race to conclusions because of one persons experience. If you, or anyone else, are concerned about how GA may or may not be affecting your site, then test, test, test. That is really the only way to decide for yourself whether or not it is a problem.

                And, I really don't think that GA is a problem for every site. In fact, I suspect it might benefit some sites. If they are using the data to determine certain things about ones website, they may decide that your site is more relevant for the results and boost your rankings as a result, I really don't know what they use or how they use it.
                Ok well let me tell you where I am with this....

                I took on board the moral of your original post and applied it to my site just to see if that was anything to do with my site dropping from #14 to as far back as the moon (I was tempted to say I took your advice but you didn't advise:p)

                Its been 18 hours since I made the changes. Back in at #97. And its my homepage and not the individual articles which were showing in the results.
                Now to begin some linkbuilding in earnest to get her back where she belongs.

                So thank you for your post, for it has served me well, as it turns out

                As for the whole debate, unless we personally know someone from the upper echelons of Google, willing to spill the beans, then I'm afraid only our best guess or opinion will do. I don't know, but I know what did the trick. Everyone can make their own minds up.

                Hey Patrich, maybe it's just us. Google doesn't like us lol
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          • Profile picture of the author Lucid
            Originally Posted by patrich View Post

            So why did this happen? My guess would be that I had a very high bounce rate, because I had a very high ctr on my adsense. In other words people would hit my site, click on an ad and leave. Analytics was tracking this bounce rate and decided that since it was so high, I must not be a "good" result for the search term and dropped me. That is the only theory that makes sense to me.
            I don't know but making guesses and theories is not answering the question. Let's use a bit of logic here which seems to be in short supply.

            I don't know why people often mention bounce rate. That does not make sense to me. Google's goal is to give the best results possible. Once someone searches and given results, Google's job is done. They don't care what happens after someone clicks on a listing. They certainly can't tell your bounce rate, not unless you have Analytics installed and not every site has it. And if you do have it installed, I think bounce rate would be a poor metric to use, certainly not something I'd give enormous weight to.

            Having a high CTR on your Adsense also does not make much sense. Almost all of Google's revenues are from ads. They strive to get the highest CTR possible. It's good for them, good for the advertisers and good for Google. So why penalize for that? If anything, you should be higher in the rankings. What's more, Google doesn't need Analytics to figure that out, they have your Adsense data.

            The other thing is, once Google knows you have a "poor" site for whatever reason you think, why restore your rankings even after taking GA off? Wouldn't it already know of the penalty and therefore not regain your higher rankings?

            Back to the OP's question, maybe they don't know about Analytics. Maybe they don't need it. After all, you get the same data from your log files. The question is a little strange in that, why would you care what others are doing and how did you determine that? Actually checked a lot of sites?

            Strange results you got and I don't have a plausible answer why it happened.
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        • Profile picture of the author TheFBGuy
          Originally Posted by MikeFriedman View Post

          This is the part that always cracks me up.

          "I don't want Google to have any extra information about my site. On a side note, what size AdSense block will work best?"

          Dumbasses.
          You don't know Google as much as you think you do if you call people "dumbasses" for not using a tool created by Google to "track data".

          Since you are such a genius calling people "dumbasses", you do know that the Web Spam/Search Team and the Adsense Team are two completely separate departments, right? These two do NOT share any data at all unless Google as a whole is conducting some kind of investigation. Both of them use different technologies to track and analyze information.

          Same thing with the Google Analytics Team, they are separate from the Web Web Spam/Search Team.

          BUT has Google used data from GA to determine if certain sites provided "good user experience?" The answer is YES! Do they do it often? No, but they can occasionally do and have. So I do not blame people for not using GA... and personally knowing what I know about Google, I don't use Google Analytics either. I use Statcounter and other WP Plugins.
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      • Profile picture of the author whateverpedia
        Originally Posted by yukon View Post

        Lol, it does not slow down your site (what a load). :rolleyes:
        Every site that I visit that loads slowly gives a message "waiting for google-analytics" or words to that effect. I have seen the same thing on a variety of systems, connections etc., and it always GA that is slowing the site down.

        I know many other people who have had the same experience, so sorry old mate, you seem to have tipped your "load" all over yourself.
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  • Profile picture of the author easyrider7
    It is news to me that most people don't install Google Analytics on these types of sites. Maybe if they don't, it is because they don't know how (or even that GA exists).
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  • Profile picture of the author Clyde
    Footprints.

    The less Google know, the better. Don't use Gmail, Google+, GA, GWT, Chrome anything Google you run away fast and never look back.

    Wanna know why YouTube gets more traffic everytime there's an algo update?

    because it's owned by Google.
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  • Profile picture of the author NEseO
    It is all about giving the big G as little info as possible!! It really depends on your site, as above a high bounce rate indicates to G that you have poor content so if they have that info then they will penalise, better to be safe than sorry!!
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  • Profile picture of the author HelenAbell
    Strange. I use google analytics for all my sites, I have no problem with it, I haven't noticed any significant slowdown, and I like the information it gives me - which search keywords are working for me, where traffic is coming from, how many people are using mobile devices to try and view my site etc. But then again I want traffic to come to my site via Google so from my point of view, the more it knows about my site the better I guess.
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  • Profile picture of the author Charley Brown
    From my understanding, most people do not choose to use Analytics because they fear that Google will all of a sudden realize that they have a plethora of microniche sites... as if Google couldn't already figure that out, lol.
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  • Profile picture of the author shaunixlol
    From what I heard, if you accidentally click on your advertisement and have Analytics, you automatically get banned.
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    • Profile picture of the author JRCarson
      I like to see how much traffic I get on my sites, which keywords are used to enter, which pages are getting the most views, etc... So I install Google Analytics.
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    • Profile picture of the author cagliostro
      Originally Posted by shaunixlol View Post

      From what I heard, if you accidentally click on your advertisement and have Analytics, you automatically get banned.
      of cource N O T !!!!
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  • Profile picture of the author cagliostro
    Ok, i have now removed Analytics script from my main 4 years old website, making me about 150$ per month.

    I will try to update here in a month or so of any changes.
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  • Profile picture of the author stoaf88
    I use analytics on all of my sites. Most have top 3 rankings for a bunch of good keywords and I have never had any problem with it.
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  • Profile picture of the author yukon
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    Why are you people so paranoid?

    I've been ranking sites that run Analytics for years, never had any problems.

    Nobody cares about your sites, lol.
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    • Profile picture of the author patrich
      Originally Posted by yukon View Post

      Why are you people so paranoid?

      I've been ranking sites that run Analytics for years, never had any problems.

      Nobody cares about your sites, lol.
      Way to add value to the conversation Yukon! :rolleyes:
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      • Profile picture of the author yukon
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        Originally Posted by patrich View Post

        Way to add value to the conversation Yukon! :rolleyes:
        My point was, Google doesn't care about anyones site, so stop being so paranoid.

        If you don't take that info. as a valuable comment, keep wasting time hiding from Google. :rolleyes:



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        • Profile picture of the author TheFBGuy
          Originally Posted by yukon View Post

          My point was, Google doesn't care about anyones site, so stop being so paranoid.
          I think you are missing the more important point.

          Yes Google doesn't care about any specific individual sites, but they do care about what should be ranking in the top of it's search results, and they have and do use GA data. Google is OBSESSED about information.

          You are naive if you think they don't use or check data from Google Analytics. That's like saying you don't mind checking how much money you have earned today or last week, lol.

          The larger and more important point is that Google can use GA and has used it to determine rankings.
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        • Profile picture of the author patrich
          Originally Posted by yukon View Post

          My point was, Google doesn't care about anyones site, so stop being so paranoid.

          If you don't take that info. as a valuable comment, keep wasting time hiding from Google. :rolleyes:



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          If I misunderstood you Yukon, then I apologize. But, I don't remember saying that I was hiding from Google. I shared an experience that I had in regards to GA and everyone else can form their own opinions from there. I am not here to decide what everyone should do with their own businesses.

          I don't personally use GA, but then again, I don't typically use any analytics program on my sites. When I do it is usually W3Counter.

          The fact of the matter is though, there are two sides here, those that think Google doesn't use the data and those that think using GA can in fact harm your sites rankings. Which side of the fence am I on, not really sure to be honest.

          Part of me says they don't use the data to determine serp positions and such, the other part says that they probably do. If I were them, I would use the data, I mean why not, its there.
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    • Profile picture of the author ElectronPlumber
      Google has never come out and said that they DON'T use your Analytics data for other purposes such as marketing or rankings.

      There are many anecdotal stories about people who have been HARMED by Analytics. Here are some examples:
      1. Someone who had 10-100 sites all on different IPs suddenly go deindexed on the same day. The only thing linking them was a shared Analytics account.
      2. Sites with Analytics dropping in search results right after enabling Analytics.
      Imagine you are a Google Quality Engineer looking for algorithmic ways to improve search results and decrease spam. Analytics give you near PERFECT metrics for finding SEO spam for finding sites that target search engine traffic but that people don't like.

      For example:
      Any site with Bounce Rate over 70% that gets over 90% of it's traffic from search engines is probably spam, apply a -50% ranking penalty.

      And the ONLY way Google can know that information is if you have Analytics installed.

      I won't touch it with a 10 foot pole.
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  • Profile picture of the author JustMago
    What alternatives are there to analytics?
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    • Profile picture of the author jordyhill
      Originally Posted by JustMago View Post

      What alternatives are there to analytics?
      If you use Wordpress sites then try Statcounter

      Plug in does it all
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  • Profile picture of the author robdavids
    Very interesting story Patrich but also weird at the same time. Not sure if it was a coincidence or not but it sure sounds like keeping the analytics off your site was in your best interest and that's all that matters. I've never had any issues that I know about but maybe like in Patrich's case, some people have no desire to see the analytics or are using another traffic tracking source.
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  • Profile picture of the author danols
    What is the rationale for them to only use Analytics data for this and not Adsense data as well?
    Is everyone who is removing Analytics also removing their Adsense code?
    I'm definitely on the side of stop being so paranoid...
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  • Profile picture of the author TryBPO
    I tend to agree that people who remove their GA code are being unnecessarily paranoid, but Patrich's story is compelling, actually. In looking at his other posts, he seems like a pretty reasonable guy...not one of those tin-foil types that are around, talking about the sky falling.

    Still, just because it happened to Patrich does NOT mean it would happen to everyone in the same situation...it might have just triggered something specifically for him that would NOT apply to your situation.
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    • Profile picture of the author patrich
      Originally Posted by TryBPO View Post

      I tend to agree that people who remove their GA code are being unnecessarily paranoid, but Patrich's story is compelling, actually. In looking at his other posts, he seems like a pretty reasonable guy...not one of those tin-foil types that are around, talking about the sky falling.

      Still, just because it happened to Patrich does NOT mean it would happen to everyone in the same situation...it might have just triggered something specifically for him that would NOT apply to your situation.
      Thank you for that TryBPO. Pretty much what I was trying to convey in my recent posts, but your way of saying it sounds a little more straightforward than mine. lol

      There are just too many factors that could have caused it. It was simply an experience. I have never seen a public statement from Google that says they do not use the GA data. However, I have seen public statements saying that they don't track website performance, etc., with adsense.

      While I don't believe too much of what google says, as it is often a smoke and mirrors type of statement, in terms of things like this I would tend to believe it. Why? Because if google says that they don't use adsense to track your site performance, bounce rate and so forth, but then they do it anyway, it would result in a massive class action lawsuit that would cost them a fortune.

      With that being said, the fact that I have not seen them publicize how they are using the analytics data, it could be concerning. Who knows.
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      • Profile picture of the author dburk
        Hi patrich,

        While I have no reason to doubt your experience, and I am sympathetic to your results, I think it merits further testing. While it could be a simple coincidence, the fact that it happen twice points to the possibility of a relational causation.

        From my personal experience, I have never seen GA being detrimental to rankings nor AdSense earnings and I have done numerous tests. If I were to venture a guess it would be that something in the way that you implemented the Google Analytics code was detrimental to your websites performance.

        Perhaps you were just a hair above the page load speed threshold that causes a lowering of rankings and the extra time added by the GA code pushed your page over the limit. Or perhaps the location of your snippet within your code was less than optimal? It doesn't take much of a page load speed issue to seriously harm ad revenue.

        It seems to me that there are too many unanswered questions to draw any reasonable conclusion beyond the simple fact that "something was wrong". To jump to the conclusion that it was something Google was doing is too much of a leap and not supported by my own experiences.

        Why not have an expert, someone you trust, take a close look at the implentation methods you used to see if they can spot the issue? It could be that you can "have your cake, and it eat it too" if you dig into this a bit more.
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          • Profile picture of the author cagliostro
            Originally Posted by hammertorch View Post

            anyone here has some results now after removing the GA yesterday? :confused:
            You don't really expect results or changes in less than 24 hours ? do you ?
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            • Profile picture of the author DanBrown
              Originally Posted by cagliostro View Post

              You don't really expect results or changes in less than 24 hours ? do you ?
              Patrichs story said that it happened the next morning each time, so yes.

              That seems to be the one people are reacting to so measure like for like. 24 hours vs a few days/weeks wouldn't be a straight comparison.
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              • Profile picture of the author cagliostro
                Originally Posted by DanBrown View Post

                Patrichs story said that it happened the next morning each time, so yes.

                That seems to be the one people are reacting to so measure like for like. 24 hours vs a few days/weeks wouldn't be a straight comparison.
                Apparently most of you don't have a clue about it.

                Patrick didn't say WHAT DAY that happended. Monday ? Saturday ? Friday ? Sunday maybe ?

                because my earnings depend on that very much. Just an example why 24 hours metering is not enough.
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        • Profile picture of the author patrich
          Originally Posted by dburk View Post

          Hi patrich,

          While I have no reason to doubt your experience, and I am sympathetic to your results, I think it merits further testing. While it could be a simple coincidence, the fact that it happen twice points to the possibility of a relational causation.

          From my personal experience, I have never seen GA being detrimental to rankings nor AdSense earnings and I have done numerous tests. If I were to venture a guess it would be that something in the way that you implemented the Google Analytics code was detrimental to your websites performance.

          Perhaps you were just a hair above the page load speed threshold that causes a lowering of rankings and the extra time added by the GA code pushed your page over the limit. Or perhaps the location of your snippet within your code was less than optimal? It doesn't take much of a page load speed issue to seriously harm ad revenue.

          It seems to me that there are too many unanswered questions to draw any reasonable conclusion beyond the simple fact that "something was wrong". To jump to the conclusion that it was something Google was doing is too much of a leap and not supported by my own experiences.

          Why not have an expert, someone you trust, take a close look at the implentation methods you used to see if they can spot the issue? It could be that you can "have your cake, and it eat it too" if you dig into this a bit more.
          Hey Dburk. You are probably right, it would merit further testing. However, even if it was a performance issue in my case, that lowered page load speed and effected my rankings, then GA would have still been at fault, in my case.

          Keep in mind, I never told everyone to run out and remove their analytics code, nor did I say that anyone would have the same experience as me. Because, as I have pointed out, I don't think that all sites would suffer the same problems.

          The thing is, even if this hadn't happened to me, I wouldn't use GA anyway, simply because I really don't need it. I actually didn't intend to cause a "mass scare" lol, but you know how it goes.
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          • Profile picture of the author dburk
            Originally Posted by patrich View Post

            Hey Dburk. You are probably right, it would merit further testing. However, even if it was a performance issue in my case, that lowered page load speed and effected my rankings, then GA would have still been at fault, in my case.
            Hi patrich,

            I fail to see the logic in your conclusion. If you have a page that is poorly optimized for speed, It's Google's fault? :confused:

            It seems to me that you are assuming that you have already done everything possible to optimize your website's page load speed and that you have virtually no content, or code, on your website other than Google's scripts. That seems highly unlikely to me.

            What is the average page load time for the page that dropped? What have you done to segment and cache common components of your website that run server side? What techniques have you employed to compress your pages? What order do you load your scripts? Have you separated common scripts into server-side include files that can cached client-side? Have you reduced, removed and consolidated every image as much as possible?

            The point is that there is so much that you could do to address the issue of page load speed. And virtually none of them can be blamed on Google. The fact is that Google continuously invests significant resources on optimizing the speed and efficiency of their scripts. The likeliness of it being Google's fault, is very low in my opinion.

            Perhaps I'm missing something, please enlighten me on exactly how it is Google's fault. I know I can sometimes be dense, but I am really trying to understand this, please help me understand how it is Google's fault.
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            • Profile picture of the author patrich
              Originally Posted by dburk View Post

              Hi patrich,

              I fail to see the logic in your conclusion. If you have a page that is poorly optimized for speed, It's Google's fault? :confused:

              It seems to me that you are assuming that you have already done everything possible to optimize your website's page load speed and that you have virtually no content, or code, on your website other than Google's scripts. That seems highly unlikely to me.

              What is the average page load time for the page that dropped? What have you done to segment and cache common components of your website that run server side? What techniques have you employed to compress your pages? What order do you load your scripts? Have you separated common scripts into server-side include files that can cached client-side? Have you reduced, removed and consolidated every image as much as possible?

              The point is that there is so much that you could do to address the issue of page load speed. And virtually none of them can be blamed on Google. The fact is that Google continuously invests significant resources on optimizing the speed and efficiency of their scripts. The likeliness of it being Google's fault, is very low in my opinion.

              Perhaps I'm missing something, please enlighten me on exactly how it is Google's fault. I know I can sometimes be dense, but I am really trying to understand this, please help me understand how it is Google's fault.
              You fail to see the logic in my conclusion, because there was no conclusion. You are making it out like I was doing a case study or a test which I wasn't.

              What I shared was an experience that happened to me, I didn't say it would be the same for others, in fact, I said the opposite. I also didn't say that it was "absolutely" because of analytics. Because it might not have been, I don't know, and don't really care that much to be honest.

              So, basically, I never said "Hey this is google's fault". I shared an experience and you are now taking bits and pieces of what I said out of context, which btw is kind of irritating.
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              • Profile picture of the author dburk
                Originally Posted by patrich View Post

                Hey Dburk. You are probably right, it would merit further testing. However, even if it was a performance issue in my case, that lowered page load speed and effected my rankings, then GA would have still been at fault, in my case.
                Originally Posted by patrich View Post

                You fail to see the logic in my conclusion, because there was no conclusion. You are making it out like I was doing a case study or a test which I wasn't.

                What I shared was an experience that happened to me, I didn't say it would be the same for others, in fact, I said the opposite. I also didn't say that it was "absolutely" because of analytics. Because it might not have been, I don't know, and don't really care that much to be honest.

                So, basically, I never said "Hey this is google's fault". I shared an experience and you are now taking bits and pieces of what I said out of context, which btw is kind of irritating.
                Hi patrich,

                I'm sorry, I didn't intend on being irritating. I was responding to your reply where you wrote:
                Originally Posted by patrich View Post

                Hey Dburk. You are probably right, it would merit further testing. However, even if it was a performance issue in my case, that lowered page load speed and effected my rankings, then GA would have still been at fault, in my case.
                I somehow interpreted that to mean that you felt that "GA would have still been at fault" in your case. I guess I misunderstood what you meant.

                I then added some probing questions with the intent of leading your thoughts (along with readers following this thread) as to possible alternate causes worth looking into.

                Please forgive me for misunderstanding your words and irritating you. I hope that others reading this got something useful out my feeble effort.
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    • Profile picture of the author cagliostro
      Originally Posted by dagaul101 View Post

      Google Analytics is always recommended or indeed any type of analytical software to monitor your progress, it opens a plethora of things to try out to find that midas touch
      Is that a human writing or a roboto ?
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    • Profile picture of the author Steadyon
      Originally Posted by yukon View Post

      Why are you people so paranoid?

      I've been ranking sites that run Analytics for years, never had any problems.

      Nobody cares about your sites, lol.


      The point is that for the vast majority of sites, the only intervention by google is something that has been triggered automatically in some way. (In other words most negative effects are not done manually by a google geek).

      That doesn't alter the fact that some things can inadvertently cause a flag to be raised somewhere and the google algorithm does the rest.

      I personally see no reason to give google any more data than it already can get without putting any of their code on my sites.

      There are many ways automatic trips can be set off. So why place a few extra traps for yourself.

      The only way I would put any of their code on a site of mine would be if it was completely brand new and not linking to any of my other sites in any way.

      Otherwise why rock the boat if it is sailing along quite calmly?

      Sam
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    • Profile picture of the author cagliostro
      Originally Posted by oclseo View Post

      Google Analytics is useless to a mini sites, because mini sites are intended for sales page, not traffic.
      This is bull*.

      Analytics is a extremely valuable tool. The best out there. Nothing to do with traffic.
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  • Profile picture of the author Justin Lavoie
    Ok I want to try it out, I'll remove the analytic tracking code from one of my sites.

    Do I also need to get out of Webmaster Tool?
    What about the G+ "like" icon code?
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    • Profile picture of the author cagliostro
      Originally Posted by wolfez View Post

      Ok I want to try it out, I'll remove the analytic tracking code from one of my sites.

      Do I also need to get out of Webmaster Tool?
      What about the G+ "like" icon code?
      Nop. But it has been posted here that we'll better NOT user ANYTHING from google if we use adsense.

      For me, after 24 hours without analytics, i see nothing different. I will keep analytics out for a week and see how it goes.
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      • Profile picture of the author icttn81089
        Originally Posted by cagliostro View Post

        Nop. But it has been posted here that we'll better NOT user ANYTHING from google if we use adsense.

        For me, after 24 hours without analytics, i see nothing different. I will keep analytics out for a week and see how it goes.
        Remember post the update here my friend

        Thanks !
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    • Profile picture of the author Justin Lavoie
      Originally Posted by pilatospoonfork View Post

      As I ask my friends why they wouldn't put Analytics in their site, they've just simply answered me by "I don't have time." or, "I'm not in a good mood" and the worst is, "I feel lazy".

      So I concluded that there are no technical issues on why people don't want to put analytics in their site. It's just because they are "lazy"
      Well, what I conclude is that you have lazy friends... :p
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  • Profile picture of the author Justin Lavoie
    Yesterday I removed the only trakcing code I had on one of my sites (on the main page) and this morning I looked at my analytic account and can still see results from yesterday...exactly the same results that I get from my domain provider so it kept receiving results till the end of the day.

    My question : Should I also remove the site from the google analytic account? How will I know if it's still receiving data if I can't read it anymore?
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    • Profile picture of the author cagliostro
      Originally Posted by wolfez View Post

      Yesterday I removed the only trakcing code I had on one of my sites (on the main page) and this morning I looked at my analytic account and can still see results from yesterday...exactly the same results that I get from my domain provider so it kept receiving results till the end of the day.

      My question : Should I also remove the site from the google analytic account? How will I know if it's still receiving data if I can't read it anymore?
      It is not receiving anything if you removed the SCRIPT from your pages(s).

      BUT analytics are a bit delayed, so what you see is probably the remainings ....

      Check after a while again (after 6-12 hours) and it should be zero.
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  • Profile picture of the author Justin Lavoie
    Well this might be a complete coincidence but since I removed the Google Analytic script from my website, all my keywords went down the god damn drain. Many keywords were in top ten with 3 being in the top 3. All this for several months and most keywords were getting a bit higher every week... Now, some of them are not even in the top 200 anymore!! My highest keyword is ranked 51 now.

    Like I said this might be a coincidence howeever I see alot of coincidence happening in this thread ...

    I was getting a steady 15-20 visitors/day for a couple of weeks now but since last night, 1 visitor..
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  • Profile picture of the author hpad06
    Lucid,

    I think you are not seeing the big picture here. Google has repeated said they care about user experience, and bounce rate is a perfect metric to tell if user like the page or not. If there is nothing useful for the user to see on a page, of course user will leave ,and bounce rate will be high.

    it's best to be safe than sorry, so don't put GA if your site isn't high quality = high bounce rate . google penalty is way too easy to receive.
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    • Profile picture of the author Loloy Diango
      I'm just wondering...

      Why would Google maintain a service like Google Analytics if not many people use it? Surely, because the Big G continues to offer its analytics technology, it is safe to surmise that a lot of people use it.

      So, why would a lot of people continue using it if it has been known to do more harm than good to their websites?

      Are a majority of sites NOT USING Google Analytics enjoying good rankings? And are majority of sites USING Google Analytics NOT RANKING well in the SERPs?

      :confused:
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    • Profile picture of the author DanBrown
      Originally Posted by hpad06 View Post

      bounce rate is a perfect metric to tell if user like the page or not. If there is nothing useful for the user to see on a page, of course user will leave ,and bounce rate will be high.
      Or they got the info they wanted without wading through piles of useless stuff and left 100% satisfied. Therefore the page was ranked correctly.
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      • Profile picture of the author Rndmals
        Originally Posted by DanBrown View Post

        Or they got the info they wanted without wading through piles of useless stuff and left 100% satisfied. Therefore the page was ranked correctly.
        Exactly.
        For instance, if someone is doing a search for a longtail phrase, finds a page and the answer they are looking for can be summed up in one paragraph, and maybe in even in a sentence or two, and they don't really hang out on the site any longer. So yeah, I would say it is not really an accurate metric of value.
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    • Profile picture of the author Lucid
      Originally Posted by hpad06 View Post

      Lucid, I think you are not seeing the big picture here.
      I think I am of course and looks like DanBrown and Rndmals agree. I don't see how you equate user experience with bounce rate. Google has NO WAY to know you had a good user experience from the bounce rate or even if you found what you were looking for. That is not Google's definition of a good user experience.
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  • Profile picture of the author wildjohnny
    I'm using GA for long time and never had any problems with it. If you are doing everything legal, only white hat, there is no need for worry.
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  • Profile picture of the author Justin Lavoie
    ^ try one and tell us how it went.
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  • This is an interesting opinion related directly to this topic:

    Source: Does Google Analytics affect SEO - Google Analytics Help

    Dear All,

    You know one of the concepts of keeping Google Analytics free is dragging you in a comfort zone so that you can share your site data. Sharing data here doesn't mean disclosing it to others but letting Google know which site pages have lower bounce rates, retention & considerable average time.
    So yes enabling GA for analysis of your site does affect ranking positions and ranking will be dropped only for pages which shows lower bounce rates. And they are right in a way as Google is commited to provide relevant results to its loyal visitors and this is its strength over other search engines.
    Apart from Google Analytics, Google also grabs data from toolbars, bookmarks & apps (esp. when you are logged in & access external site) to know user behavior and its approach towards visited site. These types of data backed by advanced algo system helps them determine the right web page to be ranked in top positions.
    So all other white hat techniques implemented adhering to Google guidelines might help you till the time GA tracks the actual visitations behavior and if your site falters for longer period, it might lose positions though this takes few months to happen.
    Similar Contents uploaded in different format like doc, xml, pdf does not affect ranking as its considered as part of usability in downloading feeds/data.
    In short, its great to have a win-win situation for both GA & its users as it divulges site info in such an advanced analytical manner that you can use it to enhance your site usability & visitation metrics by filling up leakage points. And you can even make your site web pages rank higher by planning & executing the tasks on priority basis as per GA info.


    Regards,
    Lalit Kumar SEO, PPC, Analytics Expert
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  • And on this page you will find information where Google claims it will NOT effect your ranking.

    Frequently asked questions for the Google Analytics data sharing options - Analytics Help

    Will sharing my data directly affect the ranking of my natural search results, ad quality score or ad placement? Back to Top

    Your website data will not be used to affect your natural search results, ad quality score or ad placement. Aggregate data across many customers will be used to improve our products and services.

    Who to believe, what to believe. All you can do is TEST for yourself and do what makes you money.

    I do not take what Google says at face value. As they are in business to make money they will ALWAYS do what is in their own best interests.
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  • Profile picture of the author dminorfmajor
    Well, I uninstalled Google Analytics 6 days ago. I have noticed mild changes with my rankings going up a little with minimal backlinking effort but the real wonder here is my estimated earnings via AdSense. On my main AdSense site, I usually get anywhere from .10c-25c a click depending on if the user clicks the text or image ads but I have noticed huge clicks in the past few days upwards of $1.30. I haven't seen those kinds of clicks since my first few days of getting visitors. I'm not 100% but I'm pretty sure I didn't have Analytics installed when I used to get those big clicks. That just goes back to what Pat said on the previous page about Analytics giving the Google algorithm more statistics about your site, determining just how good it is.

    As many have said, results will most likely vary from user to user from case to case. I am just letting you everyone know what has happened in my experience. The connection between Analytics and lower rankings/earnings are almost uncanny in my case but I don't want anyone to put all of their hope into this idea. If you're doing fine with Google Analytics, I suggest you leave it on. I wasn't doing fine so I could afford to experiment.

    Thanks for this thread guys. It's helped out a lot. Good luck to everyone else!
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    • Profile picture of the author cagliostro
      After removing analytics from all my websites (7), i had a slight increase of CPC but after 3 days my traffic went down 30%.

      I'm not telling it is because of Analytics. I have no idea if they are related.

      I will do some further testing.
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  • Profile picture of the author JustMago
    What traffic sources did you lose the traffic from?
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    • Profile picture of the author cagliostro
      Originally Posted by JustMago View Post

      What traffic sources did you lose the traffic from?
      I lost my organic traffic, but again since i'm alsways working on the website it maybe something else.
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  • A great topic! Lots of arguments from both sides of the coin! This has definitely opened my mind! Hmmmmmmm!
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  • Profile picture of the author ddDonPaul
    how about google webmasters tools? does that hurt your site? :-s
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