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SENuke X got me penalized

by arnie19
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Well, my other website which is PR4 got penalized by G. I am only using senuke x to it and it started when the indexed backlinks where deindexed and my website's backlink counts dropped. I believed it was when those backlink you've created with the software where deleted by the webmaster of the site where they have been put.

I still agree that using manual method for permanent link is much better or hiring people and outsourcing works to them.

I know the tools a lot and all contents I am using are 3 spun version and original articles only with high quality that I got from Freelancer writers.

Did you experience the same? it started to happen this August 2011.
#penalized #senuke #senuke x
  • Profile picture of the author iAmNameLess
    I really doubt that is why you are penalized. I think that you feel you are penalized because you don't have optimal results and instead of adjusting your strategy you are just blaming software.

    I think you should look more towards link velocity... You say your links were deindexed, if that is the case why didn't you buy more? If your links were removed by the webmaster of alleged sites, then it isn't the software that got you penalized, it is the removal of links that hurt your ranking.

    Not everything is a penalty. People can be on the first page and move back to page 8, for natural reasons not involving penalties.
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    • Profile picture of the author Raul991
      Originally Posted by iAmNameLess View Post

      I really doubt that is why you are penalized. I think that you feel you are penalized because you don't have optimal results and instead of adjusting your strategy you are just blaming software.

      I think you should look more towards link velocity... You say your links were deindexed, if that is the case why didn't you buy more? If your links were removed by the webmaster of alleged sites, then it isn't the software that got you penalized, it is the removal of links that hurt your ranking.

      Not everything is a penalty. People can be on the first page and move back to page 8, for natural reasons not involving penalties.
      Yeah, I agree there is no point in blaming the software that does what it supposed to. Just keep on building the backlinks and you will reach your goals.
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    • Profile picture of the author strategic seo services
      Originally Posted by iAmNameLess View Post

      I really doubt that is why you are penalized. I think that you feel you are penalized because you don't have optimal results and instead of adjusting your strategy you are just blaming software.

      I think you should look more towards link velocity... You say your links were deindexed, if that is the case why didn't you buy more? If your links were removed by the webmaster of alleged sites, then it isn't the software that got you penalized, it is the removal of links that hurt your ranking.

      Not everything is a penalty. People can be on the first page and move back to page 8, for natural reasons not involving penalties.
      I totally agree. There are so many reasons why your site may have moved down in the rankings. Correlation does not equal causation.
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  • Profile picture of the author Cool Hand Luke
    The above poster is right. SeNukeX is simply put, a spamming technique which shows itself easily with an unnatural link velocity. Get rid of it and find new methods.
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  • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
    I must confess I don't understand SenukeX users. I mean I get if you are a service provider selling the weak link service to others because you can make back the money out of it but if you are not a service provider why in the world would you shell out $149 for those kind of garbage links? You could build yourself a nice SEO network over the next year with the funds and once you learn how to leverage it end up with real links even beyond the aged domains you buy.

    All I can figure is that it sells based on the silly myth that there is a piece of software out there where if you just click a button it can make you rank. People keep telling me on this forum that SEO is easy and yet there are ton loads of people right here buying the nonsense that a piece of software can make you rank with a push of a button.
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    • Profile picture of the author Natlex
      Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

      I must confess I don't understand SenukeX users. I mean I get if you are a service provider selling the weak link service to others because you can make back the money out of it but if you are not a service provider why in the world would you shell out $149 for those kind of garbage links? You could build yourself a nice SEO network over the next year with the funds and once you learn how to leverage it end up with real links even beyond the aged domains you buy.

      All I can figure is that it sells based on the silly myth that there is a piece of software out there where if you just click a button it can make you rank. People keep telling me on this forum that SEO is easy and yet there are ton loads of people right here buying the nonsense that a piece of software can make you rank with a push of a button.
      Amen... It's really fun to use but I really do not see results that make it worthwhile to use. The results I get from it so far are mild and honestly to put more time into it (building a LOT of web 2.0s, managing them with new content, giving them links from AMR/scrapebox, getting everything indexed with social bookmarking) I might as well get a VA operating it so then I have the monthly fee + VA to pay... All for results that seem very mild to me vs other cheaper alternatives (blog netowrks/article syndication services)
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    • Profile picture of the author Gary Becks
      Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

      I must confess I don't understand SenukeX users. I mean I get if you are a service provider selling the weak link service to others because you can make back the money out of it but if you are not a service provider why in the world would you shell out $149 for those kind of garbage links? You could build yourself a nice SEO network over the next year with the funds and once you learn how to leverage it end up with real links even beyond the aged domains you buy.

      All I can figure is that it sells based on the silly myth that there is a piece of software out there where if you just click a button it can make you rank. People keep telling me on this forum that SEO is easy and yet there are ton loads of people right here buying the nonsense that a piece of software can make you rank with a push of a button.
      Not that I totally disagree with your statement (not a big senuke fan myself) but just trying to get some clarification on your stance regarding the links that it builds. From what I read here you are basically saying it's useless but then in this thread http://www.warriorforum.com/internet...-thoughts.html your singing praises to Magic submitter which more or less does the exact same thing.

      In regards to the OP, Senuke is a tool and as such your thread title is bogus, "Senuke got me penalized" you got your site penalized by the way you chose to use or not use the tool effectively for your overall seo needs..
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      • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
        Originally Posted by Gary Becks View Post

        From what I read here you are basically saying it's useless but then in this thread http://www.warriorforum.com/internet...-thoughts.html your singing praises to Magic submitter which more or less does the exact same thing.
        I find it remarkable that you would claim to have read what I wrote in that thread and not have actually read what I wrote in that thread. I thought it was clarified pretty well there. Maybe you could read it again? I have been terribly consistent if you read my posts. Magic submitter has one HUGE difference - YOU CAN ADD ANY SITE TO IT. Thats is SPECIFICALLY noted by me in that thread. That means I can utilize all kinds of sites and pages - not just a standard set of forum profiles to spam, not just a certain set of bookmarks. I can add blogs where I am allowed to post, press release sites of my choosing , sites where I am a regular contributor and on and on and on. I even can use it to post and add links to my own domains and blogs in my network. So you are wrong. they are not the same thing. Now If SenukeX can now do these things then that objection would be removed but why would I bother when I pay a third of the monthly fee and get everything including now a diagrammer with MS?

        In regards to the OP, Senuke is a tool and as such your thread title is bogus, "Senuke got me penalized" you got your site penalized by the way you chose to use or not use the tool effectively for your overall seo needs..
        Now thats bogus. If people pay $149 a month for program you expect them not to use all its capabilities? What? they are supposed to not use the forum profiles that Senuke X has the most of? This is just an example of shooting the messenger. Thes links are weak and spammy. they can help with popularity from time to time but they just plain are not worth getting on an individual basis for $147 a month. Period. Blame the OP all you want. Its the kind of links that it delivers that is the problem.
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        • Profile picture of the author boxoun
          Of course you use profiles, to backlinks your links. Next.

          Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

          I find it remarkable that you would claim to have read what I wrote in that thread and not have actually read what I wrote in that thread. I thought it was clarified pretty well there. Maybe you could read it again? I have been terribly consistent if you read my posts. Magic submitter has one HUGE difference - YOU CAN ADD ANY SITE TO IT. Thats is SPECIFICALLY noted by me in that thread. That means I can utilize all kinds of sites and pages - not just a standard set of forum profiles to spam, not just a certain set of bookmarks. I can add blogs where I am allowed to post, press release sites of my choosing , sites where I am a regular contributor and on and on and on. I even can use it to post and add links to my own domains and blogs in my network. So you are wrong. they are not the same thing. Now If SenukeX can now do these things then that objection would be removed but why would I bother when I pay a third of the monthly fee and get everything including now a diagrammer with MS?

          Now thats bogus. If people pay $149 a month for program you expect them not to use all its capabilities? What? they are supposed to not use the forum profiles that Senuke X has the most of? This is just an example of shooting the messenger. Thes links are weak and spammy. they can help with popularity from time to time but they just plain are not worth getting on an individual basis for $147 a month. Period. Blame the OP all you want. Its the kind of links that it delivers that is the problem.
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        • Profile picture of the author Gary Becks
          Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

          I find it remarkable that you would claim to have read what I wrote in that thread and not have actually read what I wrote in that thread. I thought it was clarified pretty well there. Maybe you could read it again? I have been terribly consistent if you read my posts. Magic submitter has one HUGE difference - YOU CAN ADD ANY SITE TO IT. Thats is SPECIFICALLY noted by me in that thread. That means I can utilize all kinds of sites and pages - not just a standard set of forum profiles to spam, not just a certain set of bookmarks. I can add blogs where I am allowed to post, press release sites of my choosing , sites where I am a regular contributor and on and on and on. I even can use it to post and add links to my own domains and blogs in my network. So you are wrong. they are not the same thing. Now If SenukeX can now do these things then that objection would be removed but why would I bother when I pay a third of the monthly fee and get everything including now a diagrammer with MS?

          Now thats bogus. If people pay $149 a month for program you expect them not to use all its capabilities? What? they are supposed to not use the forum profiles that Senuke X has the most of? This is just an example of shooting the messenger. Thes links are weak and spammy. they can help with popularity from time to time but they just plain are not worth getting on an individual basis for $147 a month. Period. Blame the OP all you want. Its the kind of links that it delivers that is the problem.
          What you are saying makes absolutely no sense at all , how can you blame a tool for what it does when you are the one controlling it?

          That is essentially the same thing as me joining an architecture forum and creating a thread entitled "The New Stanley Hammer Banged a Gigantic Hole In My Wall!". Like it or not a tool is a tool and you are the one who is expected to be responsible for how it is used. If I choose to swing the hammer with all of the force that I can muster and end up damaging my wall am I right to blame the tool? Or do I take the blame for not knowing what I am doing with tool and misusing it thus causing damage to my property? Senuke has 1000s of users paying the monthly fee for it so it obviously HAS to work when used properly by people who have a full and complete understanding of SEO.

          This is really simple and you disagreeing with it only brings to point that your main agenda here in this thread is to do obvious promotion of one of the various links in your sig by downing tools like Senuke while telling the op "You could build yourself a nice SEO network over the next year with the funds and once you learn how to leverage it end up with real links even beyond the aged domains you buy." You my friend are bogus and totally obvious at the same time. Stop marketing and start giving some real helpful advise for a change...
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          • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
            Originally Posted by boxoun View Post

            Nothing to see here. Just another poster who admits to never using it but feels like they have the expert opinion. Once again, you can find senukex for as little as $30/month
            LOl. You do realize that SenukeX has a trial? right? and bootlegs as a defense for cost savings doesn't make it look better.


            Originally Posted by Gary Becks View Post

            That is essentially the same thing as me joining an architecture forum and creating a thread entitled "The New Stanley Hammer Banged a Gigantic Hole In My Wall!".
            Another poorly formed analogy that doesn't logically fit. If a hardware company advertises a jack hammer to hang up picture frames the advertiser bears some responsibility for breaking down walls. Observe SenukeX's Feature advertised -

            " The multi-threaded submissions in certain modules are 10-100x faster than in the old version. You can also run as many modules as you want simultaneously"

            Curious I don't see anything about NOT using all of its "Features" or doing the links slowly even thought its 100X faster? Why does it need that speed again?

            Why do I need fast multi threaded submissions to post forum profiles? and to run as many modules as I want? Speed and quantity. Next I guess we will hear that Xrummer isn't meant to to leave hundreds of links either. No amount of dancing gets you around the central fact that the links SenukeX gives are weak and spammy and those kinds of links is what people have received notices for. Your claim that the Op used it improperly is just made up. You don't even know what links or how many got him penalized. DO some research and reading. Its not senukeX alone that gets sites penalized. its the kind of links. The claim by some that they never got penalized so it does not happen to anyone for those links is silly. There are all kinds of things people get away with in life that gets other people in trouble - when they are caught.


            Senuke has 1000s of users paying the monthly fee for it so it obviously HAS to work when used properly by people who have a full and complete understanding of SEO.
            Well obviously you are right here because we all know that in internet marketing the only way you sell 1000s of anything is if the product is great :rolleyes:. There are thousands of people who still believe search count is an great indicator of competition so that must be great too. Besides a nice chunk of those users are running it to sell the service to newbies - fact. Its a laugher though that you would even try and claim that the ability to "properly" drop forum profile links on a page is an indicator of your "complete understanding of SEO". Poor SEOs who know how to get better links.

            This is really simple and you disagreeing with it only brings to point that your main agenda here in this thread is to do obvious promotion of one of the various links in your sig by downing tools like Senuke while telling the op "You could build yourself a nice SEO network over the next year with the funds
            Or heres a thought. Maybe I actually find out what STILL actually works and have the integrity to only offer that. SO that my offers reflect my standards of what to offer people. Your claim is flat and you swear its good because you are uninformed about my rep here. I have ALWAYS cautioned against Spam bots (and took alot of flak for it too) with a sig and without one and I certainly am not going to remove mine now because you claim otherwise.

            but hey if you want to draw extra attention to my sig why should I complain. . But just for extra clarity people getting away from the spambots that gets people penalized when leaving links of inferior quality can use Magic submitter for a third of the price and seek out at least some links that are not spammed to death by SenukeX users. they can spend the money WITHOUT A NETWORK to purchase links that build up their sites and then do three way link exchanges. They can buy Scrapebox and use it to find blogs that allow comments and then use the slow mode to actually leave some reasonable comments that will open the door to be able to do guest blogging rather than just article directory sites and they can do a host of other things if they have $147 to blow each month. All with better links. and yes they can buy aged domains and build their own network. There are ton loads of options for those who can recognize that the time for profile links being the center of a linkbuilding campaign are coming to an end in regard to any real effectiveness.
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            • Profile picture of the author MikeFriedman
              I have tried both SEnuke X and Magic Submitter extensively.

              If you like those kind of tools, for the life of me, I honestly cannot believe why anyone would use SEnuke X over Magic Submitter.

              Right now today, the ONLY advantage SEnuke X has over MS is that it has the OCR captcha integration, BUT that only works for a very small percentage of the sites anyhow.

              Magic Submitter comes with far more sites right out of the box. It does everything else that SEnuke does. Blogs, forums, RSS feeds, articles, videos, etc. It doesn't have the link indexing feature that SEnuke X has, but I have yet to hear anyone that has noticed much success with that anyhow.

              Magic also lets you train it to submit or signup to pretty much any site you want. Nuke does not allow you to do that. So if I want to use Magic to easily submit to 100 sites of my own, that are setup on anything from Wordpress to Blogger, to whatever other CMS I want to use, I can do it.

              Magic has the sockets. It has the diagram module.

              I cannot understand why anyone would keep paying $127/month (if you got in early) or $147/month, when you can pay $67/month and get more. If MS was marketed better, it would be no contest.

              Bottom line though, both of them only build really low quality links that are only going to help you rank for terms that are really not competitive at all. If you think either one of these are going to get you ranked for terms like "make money online", "lose weight fast", or anything like that, forget about it.

              As far as the penalty thing, I can see people easily getting penalized for using SEnuke simply because it has an extremely easily identifiable link pattern. Most users are just utilizing those templates that come with it. I see it all the time. People are talking about blasting that Full Monty template over and over again. If you think that doesn't leave an easy to recognize link footprint, you are just fooling yourself.

              Is it the software's fault? Not directly, but I could easily put blame on how the software is marketed. The marketing or tutorials with the product never talk about footprints, intelligent backlinking, mixing it up with other forms of links, etc. Nope. It is just pick a template, steal other people's content, spin it, throw in some links, and hit go. If you aren't ranked where you want to be yet, then rinse and repeat over and over again.

              Now are there ways you can use Nuke intelligently? Sure, but it shouldn't be your primary SEO strategy. I was originally interested in it simply for the video submissions and PR submissions because there really are no tools out that do either of those things very well. Turns out, neither does SEnuke. If you are using it to automate tasks you would otherwise be doing by hand, sure it can be useful to save time. If you are using it to just blast out low quality links, you reap what you sow.
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              • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
                Originally Posted by MikeFriedman View Post

                I cannot understand why anyone would keep paying $127/month (if you got in early) or $147/month, when you can pay $67/month and get more. If MS was marketed better, it would be no contest.
                Actually if you look around for discounts you can find it through an affiliate for $50+. I think I am paying around $53/ month. Like you said its the ability to add my own sites and link opportunities to it. If not for that I wouldn't be using any monthly subscription. Sweet thing with their diagrammer is that you can even add your own sites into there as well
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                • Profile picture of the author MikeFriedman
                  Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

                  Actually if you look around for discounts you can find it through an affiliate for $50+. I think I am paying around $53/ month. Like you said its the ability to add my own sites and link opportunities to it. If not for that I wouldn't be using any monthly subscription. Sweet thing with their diagrammer is that you can even add your own sites into there as well
                  Really? I learned something today.

                  I rarely ever used the diagram module, but I might now.
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                  • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
                    Originally Posted by MikeFriedman View Post

                    Really? I learned something today.

                    I rarely ever used the diagram module, but I might now.
                    Yep. Once you create a service type it appears in the diagrammer and you can use it in the diagram.
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            • Profile picture of the author Gary Becks
              Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

              LOl. You do realize that SenukeX has a trial? right? and bootlegs as a defense for cost savings doesn't make it look better.




              Another poorly formed analogy that doesn't logically fit. If a hardware company advertises a jack hammer to hang up picture frames the advertiser bears some responsibility for breaking down walls. Observe SenukeX's Feature advertised -

              " The multi-threaded submissions in certain modules are 10-100x faster than in the old version. You can also run as many modules as you want simultaneously"

              Curious I don't see anything about NOT using all of its "Features" or doing the links slowly even thought its 100X faster? Why does it need that speed again?

              Why do I need fast multi threaded submissions to post forum profiles? and to run as many modules as I want? Speed and quantity. Next I guess we will hear that Xrummer isn't meant to to leave hundreds of links either. No amount of dancing gets you around the central fact that the links SenukeX gives are weak and spammy and those kinds of links is what people have received notices for. Your claim that the Op used it improperly is just made up. You don't even know what links or how many got him penalized. DO some research and reading. Its not senukeX alone that gets sites penalized. its the kind of links. The claim by some that they never got penalized so it does not happen to anyone for those links is silly. There are all kinds of things people get away with in life that gets other people in trouble - when they are caught.


              Well obviously you are right here because we all know that in internet marketing the only way you sell 1000s of anything is if the product is great :rolleyes:. There are thousands of people who still believe search count is an great indicator of competition so that must be great too. Besides a nice chunk of those users are running it to sell the service to newbies - fact. Its a laugher though that you would even try and claim that the ability to "properly" drop forum profile links on a page is an indicator of your "complete understanding of SEO". Poor SEOs who know how to get better links.

              Or heres a thought. Maybe I actually find out what STILL actually works and have the integrity to only offer that. SO that my offers reflect my standards of what to offer people. Your claim is flat and you swear its good because you are uninformed about my rep here. I have ALWAYS cautioned against Spam bots (and took alot of flak for it too) with a sig and without one and I certainly am not going to remove mine now because you claim otherwise.

              but hey if you want to draw extra attention to my sig why should I complain. . But just for extra clarity people getting away from the spambots that gets people penalized when leaving links of inferior quality can use Magic submitter for a third of the price and seek out at least some links that are not spammed to death by SenukeX users. they can spend the money WITHOUT A NETWORK to purchase links that build up their sites and then do three way link exchanges. They can buy Scrapebox and use it to find blogs that allow comments and then use the slow mode to actually leave some reasonable comments that will open the door to be able to do guest blogging rather than just article directory sites and they can do a host of other things if they have $147 to blow each month. All with better links. and yes they can buy aged domains and build their own network. There are ton loads of options for those who can recognize that the time for profile links being the center of a linkbuilding campaign are coming to an end in regard to any real effectiveness.
              More BS from the master of it. Name one software on the market that markets how NOT to use there software on the sales page.. You are truly hilarious.:p

              You bringing up Xrumer and any other tool just reiterates my point, it's not the tools (or the sellers or sales pages) fault if the person who buys/uses them doesn't know how to use them as an overall part of a larger SEO strategy. What your ssaying is that if I'm an SEO noob and I go out and by Xrumer or Senuke and blast 1000's of links at my site and get penalized for it it's the software's/software developers fault that I chose to use a tool that was created for experienced SEO's without actually understanding how to use them properly.

              Well obviously you are right here because we all know that in internet marketing the only way you sell 1000s of anything is if the product is great :rolleyes:. There are thousands of people who still believe search count is an great indicator of competition so that must be great too. Besides a nice chunk of those users are running it to sell the service to newbies - fact. Its a laugher though that you would even try and claim that the ability to "properly" drop forum profile links on a page is an indicator of your "complete understanding of SEO". Poor SEOs who know how to get better links.
              To sell something to a few 100 people for a one off fee is one thing, when you have 1000s of marKeters (both experienced and inexperienced) paying a monthly fee month in and month out that is a pretty good identifier that your product is quality. Let's see, Senuke performs the following tasks, (aside from the forum profiles that you KEEP bringing up.

              Social Bookmarking
              Web 2.0s
              Press Releases
              Article Directories
              Rss Submissions

              That's just some if it, but yes all of these links are crap correct? Well what kind of links aren't? Let me guess, the kind that Mike Anthony sells of course!

              Or heres a thought. Maybe I actually find out what STILL actually works and have the integrity to only offer that. SO that my offers reflect my standards of what to offer people. Your claim is flat and you swear its good because you are uninformed about my rep here. I have ALWAYS cautioned against Spam bots (and took alot of flak for it too) with a sig and without one and I certainly am not going to remove mine now because you claim otherwise.
              More BS from the master of it. Shall I go through the trouble of digging up your past WSOs where you were selling crap forum profile automation software? Please do disagree so I can call your bluff, remember who you are talking to..

              Let's see, OP makes a post complaining about taking a hit in the serps supposedly because of using SEnuke, then without any real proof that this was the actual cause of it you hop in the thread speaking badly not only of SEnuke but of it's users then you go on to offer such a golden nugget of advise
              You could build yourself a nice SEO network over the next year with the funds and once you learn how to leverage it end up with real links even beyond the aged domains you buy.
              and I guess it's all just a coincidence that you marketing your BS course about building a Network of sites for less than SEnuke? Cmon dude, smut peddling crappy info products to fellow warriors is not cool.

              Anyone can build a network of High PR blogs without needing an info product to tell them how to do so, but then again - I guess someone has to be around to collect cash from gullible noobs, better you than me. End of the day, if anyone is naive enough to fall for these kind of poor marketing techniques they pretty much deserve to be had. But I digress.

              To the OP, I think you pretty much know what your problem is as you stated it for yourself
              I am only using senuke x
              . Senuke is not the Devil as some people are obviously trying to make it out to be, it's actually not a bad tool. It's only a small piece of the puzzle though and when used correctly can prove to be a very powerful part of A BIGGER SEO STRATEGY - you just have to have a good game plan when using it.
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              • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
                Originally Posted by Gary Becks

                I'm an SEO noob and I go out and by Xrumer or Senuke and blast 1000's of links at my site and get penalized for it it's the software's/software developers fault that I chose to use a tool that was created for experienced SEO's without actually understanding how to use them properly.
                More nonsense. Professional SEOs don't live and die by such weak N/A zero links. Anyone who claims that is a backlinker not an experienced SEO. You trying to redefine a professional SEO as someone who knows how to run link spam tools is funny though. You can try that on an IM board but I'd pay for front row tickets to see you try and fly that nonsense at SEomoz, Searchengineland or ANY professional gathering of SEOs.



                To sell something to a few 100 people for a one off fee is one thing, when you have 1000s of marKeters (both experienced and inexperienced) paying a monthly fee month in and month out that is a pretty good identifier that your product is quality
                Nope it speaks to the insatiable dream that people have that they can either push a few buttons and make money or can hire someone for a couple bucks to change their financial world. Its at the core of the make money online niche that causes people to waste Millions of dollars each year on crappy products. What are you new to IM? Want to deny that that desire is not behind sales of all kinds of MMO products and not their incredible effectiveness? Good then why haven't you solved the problem of the fail rate in Im with all these people getting killer links and traffic using the "powerful" Senukex.

                For shame.

                You can't even muster a top three ranking for the term "backlinks" using just those weak old links. Read the thread guy. Everything SenukeX does has been mentioned besides rss submisssions and its still all junk N/As and Zeros.

                More BS from the master of it. Shall I go through the trouble of digging up your past WSOs where you were selling crap forum profile automation software? Please do disagree so I can call your bluff, remember who you are talking to.
                Be my guest . I've never denied selling profile links BACK WHEN THEY WORKED (LOL) but I have always been against mass tools. If you cared to check you would have seen I never exceeded semi automation and I still use roboform to this day. point fail.

                See I have this weird thing - I only offer things that work. When they don't anymore then its the responsibility of an ethical SEO to not push them. So rather than hide it as you seem to think - I wear it like a badge. I USED to offer profile links and then I GREW UP as I saw the world a changing. They still have a little utility but are hardly a "powerful" part of any professional SEO campaign like you are trying to claim.

                Incidentally You aren't the first to be upset at me pointing out how weak spamming profiles have become

                http://www.warriorforum.com/adsense-...ml#post2748201

                So I am fully accustomed to the attacks from those who are in love with spamming. Nothing new.

                that you marketing your BS course about building a Network of sites for less than SEnuke? Cmon dude, smut peddling crappy info products to fellow warriors is not cool.
                Thanks for that. you've made my case. Anyone who has ever built a high PR network knows now you have absolutely no clue about everything that can go into it or are just being dis ingenious to protect your own product. Anyone who had the slightest idea of how to get High PR links ON PAGE would not be fooling around with a tool for $147 a month that gives them nothing but PR n/A and zero links. ROFL. Sheesh this is what this board has come to - claiming to be an experienced SEO by using cash to get a bunch of junk links rather than say A PR 4 that if you knew how to use (which you obviously don't) you could leverage to get and build several other high PR links. Hmmm Hold on let me see - What would I prefer a forum blast of N/A forum links or 20-30 PR4 links pointing at my money site each month?

                BZZZZZ. I'll take the second please . So would anyone with even an ounce of REAL SEO knowledge.

                Experienced SEOs my eye. Stop the madness... and the lying. I have noted several things better than profile links not just building a network (Which not everyone can do) including using Scrapebox on slow mode to open up opportunities to get high Pr links and expand those opportunities to guest blogging. If you had a clue you would even be able to do better BUYING links than investing month after month in Profile links.

                You can get AMR and BMD for one time purchases and get more from them than the near $2,000 a year and next year and next year purchase that you are on here pimping like its good for experienced SEOs. I've even indicated you can get diagrammer and all those links for $50 a month using Magic submitter and use the other cash to get some real links.

                I'll leave it to the reader who is pushing "BS" as you claim. The guy who is claiming its good to spend $2000 a year just to get PR N/As and Zero crappy links that get deleted like crazy or the guy saying there are better ways for less to get AUTHORITY links.

                I think for most unbiased people reading this its an obvious choice.
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                • Profile picture of the author Gary Becks
                  Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

                  More nonsense. Professional SEOs don't live and die by such weak N/A zero links. Anyone who claims that is a backlinker not an experienced SEO. You trying to redefine a professional SEO as someone who knows how to run link spam tools is funny though. You can try that on an IM board but I'd pay for front row tickets to see you try and fly that nonsense at SEomoz, Searchengineland or ANY professional gathering of SEOs.



                  Nope it speaks to the insatiable dream that people have that they can either push a few buttons and make money or can hire someone for a couple bucks to change their financial world. Its at the core of the make money online niche that causes people to waste Millions of dollars each year on crappy products. What are you new to IM? Want to deny that that desire is not behind sales of all kinds of MMO products and not their incredible effectiveness? Good then why haven't you solved the problem of the fail rate in Im with all these people getting killer links and traffic using the "powerful" Senukex.

                  For shame.

                  You can't even muster a top three ranking for the term "backlinks" using just those weak old links. Read the thread guy. Everything SenukeX does has been mentioned besides rss submisssions and its still all junk N/As and Zeros.

                  Be my guest . I've never denied selling profile links BACK WHEN THEY WORKED (LOL) but I have always been against mass tools. If you cared to check you would have seen I never exceeded semi automation and I still use roboform to this day. point fail.

                  See I have this weird thing - I only offer things that work. When they don't anymore then its the responsibility of an ethical SEO to not push them. So rather than hide it as you seem to think - I wear it like a badge. I USED to offer profile links and then I GREW UP as I saw the world a changing. They still have a little utility but are hardly a "powerful" part of any professional SEO campaign like you are trying to claim.

                  Incidentally You aren't the first to be upset at me pointing out how weak spamming profiles have become

                  http://www.warriorforum.com/adsense-...ml#post2748201

                  So I am fully accustomed to the attacks from those who are in love with spamming. Nothing new.

                  Thanks for that. you've made my case. Anyone who has ever built a high PR network knows now you have absolutely no clue about everything that can go into it or are just being dis ingenious to protect your own product. Anyone who had the slightest idea of how to get High PR links ON PAGE would not be fooling around with a tool for $147 a month that gives them nothing but PR n/A and zero links. ROFL. Sheesh this is what this board has come to - claiming to be an experienced SEO by using cash to get a bunch of junk links rather than say A PR 4 that if you knew how to use (which you obviously don't) you could leverage to get and build several other high PR links. Hmmm Hold on let me see - What would I prefer a forum blast of N/A forum links or 20-30 PR4 links pointing at my money site each month?

                  BZZZZZ. I'll take the second please . So would anyone with even an ounce of REAL SEO knowledge.

                  Experienced SEOs my eye. Stop the madness... and the lying. I have noted several things better than profile links not just building a network (Which not everyone can do) including using Scrapebox on slow mode to open up opportunities to get high Pr links and expand those opportunities to guest blogging. If you had a clue you would even be able to do better BUYING links than investing month after month in Profile links.

                  You can get AMR and BMD for one time purchases and get more from them than the near $2,000 a year and next year and next year purchase that you are on here pimping like its good for experienced SEOs. I've even indicated you can get diagrammer and all those links for $50 a month using Magic submitter and use the other cash to get some real links.

                  I'll leave it to the reader who is pushing "BS" as you claim. The guy who is claiming its good to spend $2000 a year just to get PR N/As and Zero crappy links that get deleted like crazy or the guy saying there are better ways for less to get AUTHORITY links.

                  I think for most unbiased people reading this its an obvious choice.
                  Lol, maann. You are a walking talking contradiction.

                  One thing I'll give you credit for is staying here at the WarriorForum where it's safe for guys like you..

                  Done with the convo, got better things to do - like actually rank sites for competitive keywords. Good Day.
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                  • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
                    Originally Posted by Gary Becks View Post

                    One thing I'll give you credit for is staying here at the WarriorForum where it's safe for guys like you..

                    Done with the convo, got better things to do - like actually rank sites for competitive keywords. Good Day.
                    Gary I hang out at professionol SEO forums as well where you couldn't post your stuff at all without laughter and lets at least be real here. You failed to disclose to the good people while complaining about what I used to offer that you pimp out a backlink booster so have a vested interest in those weak links being used so that you can sell your "booster" product. When I actually see a truly competitive page being ranked by you with Senuke like links I will drop off my chair but I do serps checks almost everyday and haven't yet and you can't produce one.

                    Again, your price argument sucks because as I mentioned many times, you can get cheaper than that.

                    Also, you can see success in 3 months and everything after that is paying for itself so I can argue that senukex is actually free. Almost as dumb as the 2k/yr argument. Who says you have to use it for a yr?
                    My argument sucks because you run bootlegs? This is why the quality of this board has taken a nose dive. You can argue that Senuke is free all you want because you either steal it or rent it from someone stealing it but just for your information most people on here rank multiple sites and are always ranking additional ones. Makes no sense to do SEO for three months and stop. Thats actually quite dumb in itself.
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                    • Profile picture of the author boxoun
                      No sir you are dumb. I suggested 3 months is all you need to eventually make price of tool a non factor. Professional troll pimping his product. Thats you.

                      Also, who cares if many people rank many sites? I'm commenting on the effectiveness of a tool and depending on a persons needs, can be effective and not as expensive as people think.

                      Keep throwing out blanket statements to prove your point. It must be hard to let others have the last word huh? Too much of a hit to your ego?

                      Try one time to let someone have the last word. It's really not that bad. Don't respond to this because its gotten way off track.

                      Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

                      Gary I hang out at professionol SEO forums as well where you couldn't post your stuff at all without laughter and lets at least be real here. You failed to disclose to the good people while complaining about what I used to offer that you pimp out a backlink booster so have a vested interest in those weak links being used so that you can sell your "booster" product. When I actually see a truly competitive page being ranked by you with Senuke like links I will drop off my chair but I do serps checks almost everyday and haven't yet and you can't produce one.

                      My argument sucks because you run bootlegs? This is why the quality of this board has taken a nose dive. You can argue that Senuke is free all you want because you either steal it or rent it from someone stealing it but just for your information most people on here rank multiple sites and are always ranking additional ones. Makes no sense to do SEO for three months and stop. Thats actually quite dumb in itself.
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                      • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
                        Originally Posted by boxoun View Post

                        No sir you are dumb. I suggested 3 months is all you need to eventually make price of tool a non factor. Professional troll pimping his product. Thats you.
                        I'm going to give you a pass this time Boxuon but if you insist on the name calling (dumb etc) a mod will be notified next time. Fact is if you advocate people find if for $30 a month you are pointing them toward bootlegs. In fact someone else actuallly Pmed me and told me where to get it for free - no thanks. Incidentally try and get more useful posts under your belt that people have thanked before trying to make the troll moniker stick. You spamming guys get so upset over a discussion like this. In the wake of Panda its useless. Everyone is now learning that these kinds of links are very low quality. The game is up.

                        I'm commenting on the effectiveness of a tool and depending on a persons needs, can be effective and not as expensive as people think.
                        Rubbish. the vast amount of people who don't want to run cracked software etc cannot get it for $30 a month. Now you seem to be trolling.
                        the effectiveness of the links has taken a very clear additional hit by Panda. There have been people in this thread tht used to believe in those links BACK WHEN THEY WORKED WELL including myself who have joined in and said the game has changed even more . Props to them for being honest enough. Demerits to those who stick their head in the sand and still insist getting them at $149 a month is a good thing. You guys junk up this board when you pitch this stuff to the new people.

                        Try one time to let someone have the last word. It's really not that bad. Don't respond to this because its gotten way off track.
                        Now whose begging to have the last word:rolleyes:. And it hasn't gotten way off track. The op is directly about the tool and how using it affects people's sites - his own as direct evidence.
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                      • Profile picture of the author Gary Becks
                        Originally Posted by boxoun View Post

                        No sir you are dumb. I suggested 3 months is all you need to eventually make price of tool a non factor. Professional troll pimping his product. Thats you.

                        Also, who cares if many people rank many sites? I'm commenting on the effectiveness of a tool and depending on a persons needs, can be effective and not as expensive as people think.

                        Keep throwing out blanket statements to prove your point. It must be hard to let others have the last word huh? Too much of a hit to your ego?

                        Try one time to let someone have the last word. It's really not that bad. Don't respond to this because its gotten way off track.
                        Lol, face it, not gonna happen. The guy's a troll. Almost 4000 posts about nothing. Argue with him about something he'll be quick to mention how many thanks he's gotten (not hard when you spend all of your days here). Better of to just let him have it. The warrior forum is his life and having noobs respect him here for his so called "white hat" methods is his life's work. Anyone with an oz of common sense can read between the lines.

                        Moral of the story? The Vbulletin Devs are geniuses for creating the ignore button..!
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                        • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
                          Originally Posted by Gary Becks View Post

                          having noobs respect him here for his so called "white hat" methods is his life's work. Anyone with an oz of common sense can read between the lines.
                          Gary I think if they knew what you sell they would read between the lines even easier. I think two things really have you sore.

                          A) its pretty hard after all this time of disagreeing with me to have to admit that Panda updates have proven a lot of my points right. If its any consolation Buying aged domains and creating your own links on them is not seen as by Google as white hat so the claim I am all for whitehat and nothing else is way off.

                          B) You haven't disclosed it and I am certainly not going to give you a link but you sell a booster product that has much less utility if people go out and get good links on PR pages. So in more than one way it suits you to argue for the kinds of links that SenukeX gives you. You get your monthly fee off of helping to index weak links. Links on high Pr pages most of the time need no indexing help
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                          • Profile picture of the author Gary Becks
                            Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

                            Gary I think if they knew what you sell they would read between the lines even easier. I think two things really have you sore.

                            A) its pretty hard after all this time of disagreeing with me to have to admit that Panda updates have proven a lot of my points right. If its any consolation Buying aged domains and creating your own links on them is not seen as by Google as white hat so the claim I am all for whitehat and nothing else is way off.

                            B) You haven't disclosed it and I am certainly not going to give you a link but you sell a booster product that has much less utility if people go out and get good links on PR pages. So in more than one way it suits you to argue for the kinds of links that SenukeX gives you. You get your monthly fee off of helping to index weak links. Links on high Pr pages most of the time need no indexing help
                            I have never disagreed on your points about buying aged domains being a great seo strategy. As someone who owns more than 200 High Pr domains that wouldn't make much sense now would it? Fact of the matter is it's old news and your acting like it's secret information. Nobody needs an ebook from you to learn how to build a high pr network. The info is all over the web for free, I mean it's not exactly rocket science.

                            A year or so ago when Forum profiles were the fad you were selling info products, automation software or "semi automated software" for them. Now that Homepage Backlinks is the new trend you have yet another info product, and guess what, whenever the next big seo thing starts phasing in you'll be the first one pimping a product for it in your sig..

                            Also, there's nothing to disclose except for your ignorance here. LJM has not been open to the public for almost 5 months now which is why I am not promoting it. It's not for sale and if it was I still wouldn't give ill advise to anyone looking to gain an extra sale or two.

                            End of the day Social Bookmarks still have there place, as do Forum profiles, and Web 2.0 Links, and Article Directories, and Press Releases, and Senuke automates all of these tasks yet you are basically saying that it's all useless and they are all weak links. So basically the only thing that matters is Links from Aged domains now because that's what your selling? If you claim to know so much about SEO you would obviously know that variety is key and having various links as a part of your overall link profile is not a choice, it's a necessity.

                            Anyhow, I'm gone - hurry back along here to post your biased and obvious sales oriented reply.
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                            • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
                              Gary give it up you are being childish. We disagreed for quite some time on spamming thats what I was referring to. Your sore because now the whole board knows those days are coming to a close. As for my course (since you seem so intent on advertising it ) . Plenty of things are old news. So I teach people some short cuts and the way I do SEO networks that are good for more than boosting near worthless links (:rolleyes and I do it one time for nearly the same price of the software that you are pimping people should pay monthly. (so that you can sell your boosting service to the worthless links) So what? People actually ASKED me in various threads where many of us shared information for FREE to provide this training.

                              http://www.warriorforum.com/adsense-...s-help-me.html


                              I obliged Get a grip. Nothing is as stupid as complaining about sigs on a marketing board. In my entire time at WF this is the second product I have ever offered and went a year participating without a sig.
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            • Profile picture of the author rooze
              Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

              There are ton loads of options for those who can recognize that the time for profile links being the center of a linkbuilding campaign are coming to an end in regard to any real effectiveness.
              Here here. Anyone who is building their business around spammy backlinks is either plan arrogant or foolish, or both.

              Do you really think the guy who writes a $100 piece of software is smarter than the spam team at Google? Sure, you can get away with it for the length of time it takes Google to catch up. But then don't come whining when Google catches you and pulls your website.
              It's laughable what people think they can get away with, then even more laughable when they whine over getting caught!!
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          • Profile picture of the author senukeservices
            I dont think SENUKE is the reason for you been banned. We work with senuke every day, and we get excellent results in google, even using the most extreme campaigns. Yet senuke is a very powerful tool, and must be used in the proper way. If you are consistent and build links daily, then google will not see you as a spammy or send you to sandbox.
            Also, some google dance is expected...sometimes this happens when you start producing massive backlinks... i would rather recommend you DONT stop your link building and see your site will be reindexed and climbing positions quickly.
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            • Profile picture of the author MikeFriedman
              Originally Posted by senukeservices View Post

              I dont think SENUKE is the reason for you been banned.
              Says the guy selling SEnuke services.

              Originally Posted by senukeservices View Post

              Yet senuke is a very powerful tool,
              No it's not.

              Originally Posted by senukeservices View Post

              and must be used in the proper way.
              Meaning, if you build good quality backlinks too, you will see results. Of course, it is the quality backlinks getting the results though, not SEnuke. But who cares?
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          • Profile picture of the author licketysplit
            Originally Posted by Gary Becks View Post

            What you are saying makes absolutely no sense at all , how can you blame a tool for what it does when you are the one controlling it?

            That is essentially the same thing as me joining an architecture forum and creating a thread entitled "The New Stanley Hammer Banged a Gigantic Hole In My Wall!". Like it or not a tool is a tool and you are the one who is expected to be responsible for how it is used. If I choose to swing the hammer with all of the force that I can muster and end up damaging my wall am I right to blame the tool? Or do I take the blame for not knowing what I am doing with tool and misusing it thus causing damage to my property? Senuke has 1000s of users paying the monthly fee for it so it obviously HAS to work when used properly by people who have a full and complete understanding of SEO.
            I totally agree with this viewpoint!

            I recently released my own link building software for $197 a month called SENoob that has a "Full Monty" button which, when pressed, submits spam complaints about the user's website, emails a bomb threat to the FBI on their behalf with their name and contact information attached, and infects their computer with malware. When my customers complained I explained to them how all their **** getting messed up was actually their own fault for being so dumb to push that particular button in the first place...

            Being an internet marketer is fookin' awesome!
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            • Profile picture of the author senukeservices
              Originally Posted by licketysplit View Post

              I totally agree with this viewpoint!

              I recently released my own link building software for $197 a month called SENoob that has a "Full Monty" button which, when pressed, submits spam complaints about the user's website, emails a bomb threat to the FBI on their behalf with their name and contact information attached, and infects their computer with malware. When my customers complained I explained to them how all their **** getting messed up was actually their own fault for being so dumb to push that particular button in the first place...

              Being an internet marketer is fookin' awesome!
              I totally agree with you!
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          • Profile picture of the author Increase Media
            The best way to ensure that you don't harm your business for the long haul is to stay clear away from all of those spamming tools. Tools that are created for people (not meaning you, but in general) who are too lazy to put in the hard work and get links the legit way. That's what Google wants. Sites that are 100% legit, free of spamming, and helpful to the those who use Google for information.

            I hope that helps.
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              • Profile picture of the author licketysplit
                Originally Posted by jinx1221 View Post

                Again, it's not the tool, its the way you use it.
                Ever heard of the Ford Pinto? Is it the driver's fault when their car explodes because the design is flawed?

                Sometimes it actually is the tool...
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    • Profile picture of the author RevSEO
      Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

      I must confess I don't understand SenukeX users. I mean I get if you are a service provider selling the weak link service to others because you can make back the money out of it but if you are not a service provider why in the world would you shell out $149 for those kind of garbage links? You could build yourself a nice SEO network over the next year with the funds and once you learn how to leverage it end up with real links even beyond the aged domains you buy.

      All I can figure is that it sells based on the silly myth that there is a piece of software out there where if you just click a button it can make you rank. People keep telling me on this forum that SEO is easy and yet there are ton loads of people right here buying the nonsense that a piece of software can make you rank with a push of a button.
      I couldn't agree more...

      SENukeX are garbage in the big scheme of linkbuilding. Why would anyone pay monthly for a tool to build those links is absolutely beyond me. The whole idea behind linkbuilding with these links is spam, and in order to see any effectiveness in a competitive market means spamming those spammed links even more.

      Does that make sense to anyone? Its as if beating a dead horse will make it wake up or something. Come on!

      There are a ton of services out there that provide lasting value for that price, with links that ACTUALLY pass along value.
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  • Profile picture of the author CanadaSEO
    The problem is not with the use of the software. It is how you properly optimize your site. It doesn't mean that when you don't get optimal results from any theory, service or software, it doesn't work. Just properly execute your SEO campaign and you'll be on your way to the top of the search engines.
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  • Profile picture of the author Bryan V
    @Arnie19 - Better remove your penis enlargement sig link.
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  • Profile picture of the author arnie19
    Oh well. I think I need to stop using senuke and focus on my other tools. FYI, Google sent a message to me for the unusual activity of the site (Spamming).

    To all the above response. I respect your thoughts and thanks!
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    • Profile picture of the author thebitbotdotcom
      Originally Posted by arnie19 View Post

      Oh well. I think I need to stop using senuke and focus on my other tools. FYI, Google sent a message to me for the unusual activity of the site (Spamming).

      To all the above response. I respect your thoughts and thanks!
      Wow. They sent you an email. That's pretty bad.
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    • Profile picture of the author Raul991
      Originally Posted by arnie19 View Post

      Oh well. I think I need to stop using senuke and focus on my other tools. FYI, Google sent a message to me for the unusual activity of the site (Spamming).

      To all the above response. I respect your thoughts and thanks!
      Really? Google sent you a message? Wow, I have done backlinking for so long and I havent had the pleasure of Google contacting me, I would be honoured
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  • Profile picture of the author kkchoon
    SENUke or any other tools if not used properly won't give any result, but I doubt it will post any penalty. Need more information before we can have any conclusion.
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  • Profile picture of the author Illuminart
    Word of advise, never settle for automated software. They may be effective but they can be very detrimental if misused.
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  • Profile picture of the author Chris X
    Its not SEnuke to be honest. Its you Seriously, the software is designed to build links and it does it fine. Now its up to you to use it wisely or go nuts.
    Think of a gun... its a life saver when you use it for your personal defense but extremely dangerous when you give it to some 6 years old kid.
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  • Profile picture of the author kulonuwun
    as long as you have high quality website with more unique articles and also aged domain, using automated sofware should be no problem. For a new website must be carefull, dont too fast do link building. Mr G may penalized for that spammed link building.
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  • Profile picture of the author linkbuildr
    This is the msg they send;
    Dear site owner or webmaster of ^^^^^^
    We’ve detected that some of your site’s pages may be using techniques that are outside Google’s Webmaster Guidelines.
    Specifically, look for possibly artificial or unnatural links pointing to your site that could be intended to manipulate PageRank. Examples of unnatural linking could include buying links to pass PageRank or participating in link schemes.
    We encourage you to make changes to your site so that it meets our quality guidelines. Once you’ve made these changes, please submit your site for reconsideration in Google’s search results.
    If you find unnatural links to your site that you are unable to control or remove, please provide the details in your reconsideration request.
    If you have any questions about how to resolve this issue, please see our Webmaster Help Forum for support.
    Sincerely, Google Search Quality Team
    SE Nuke is a link scheme and highly against Google's TOS
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    • Profile picture of the author Robert Michael
      Originally Posted by linkbuildr View Post

      This is the msg they send;
      Dear site owner or webmaster of ^^^^^^
      We’ve detected that some of your site’s pages may be using techniques that are outside Google’s Webmaster Guidelines.
      Specifically, look for possibly artificial or unnatural links pointing to your site that could be intended to manipulate PageRank. Examples of unnatural linking could include buying links to pass PageRank or participating in link schemes.
      We encourage you to make changes to your site so that it meets our quality guidelines. Once you’ve made these changes, please submit your site for reconsideration in Google’s search results.
      If you find unnatural links to your site that you are unable to control or remove, please provide the details in your reconsideration request.
      If you have any questions about how to resolve this issue, please see our Webmaster Help Forum for support.
      Sincerely, Google Search Quality Team
      SE Nuke is a link scheme and highly against Google's TOS
      Who cares?

      Google isn't the only search engine on the web. Blast your links and dominate all the other engines.. lol

      Also, think about this.. I do not believe for a second that you got a penalty.

      If this were the case, I could go and run a piss-poor campaign on a competitor's site just to get rid of my competition. Which I can't. lol so why would it be different for a site of your own?
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      • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
        Originally Posted by Whos That Guru View Post

        Who cares?

        Google isn't the only search engine on the web. Blast your links and dominate all the other engines.. lol

        Also, think about this.. I do not believe for a second that you got a penalty.

        If this were the case, I could go and run a piss-poor campaign on a competitor's site just to get rid of my competition. Which I can't. lol so why would it be different for a site of your own?
        This tired response needs to be re - tired. Its absolutely false and its offered even in the DIRECT presence of real evidence. Google has been sending out and penalizing MULTIPLE SITES. That letter is not unusual. They started sending out a few months back and I have posted the links to this over and over.

        You will never tank your competitors sites IF they have good solid links. You can and sites have been tanked when they do not have those solid links. Its time to deal with reality instead of responding with the same "if that were true I could tank my competitors sites" answer.

        Yes you can tank sites. Google couldn't care less if you or your competitors sites disappear IF they are the kinds of sites that they don't want anyway. Wake up! Google is not out to protect anything but the quality of their search results.
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      • Profile picture of the author MikeFriedman
        Originally Posted by Whos That Guru View Post

        Who cares?

        Google isn't the only search engine on the web. Blast your links and dominate all the other engines.. lol

        Who cares? Really? If you don't live in Russia (Yandex) or China (Baidu) and you are going to worry about search engine traffic at all, you better care about Google or else you are just missing the majority of your search engine traffic.

        If you are not going to care about Google, you might as well just not focus on search engine traffic at all.
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      • Profile picture of the author Kyle Oliveiro
        Originally Posted by Whos That Guru View Post

        Who cares?

        Google isn't the only search engine on the web. Blast your links and dominate all the other engines.. lol

        Also, think about this.. I do not believe for a second that you got a penalty.

        If this were the case, I could go and run a piss-poor campaign on a competitor's site just to get rid of my competition. Which I can't. lol so why would it be different for a site of your own?
        He did get penalized. In Google's email, they specifically stated that they suspected his site of suspicious activity meant to manupilate Pagerank. They also mentioned that if someone else was trying to sabotage his site with crappy backlinks that he couldn't control, to submit that information in his reconsideration request.

        It seems like whenever someone suggests you can't get penalized for spamming backlinks, the usual response is "Impossible - if this was true, I could sabotage my competitors by spamming links". Has anyone ever TRIED to sspam their competitors though? Google's email to arnie is a real eye-opener. It seems like you CAN actually be penalized for spamming links. Looks like the age-old debate over whether spam links can hurt is over.
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  • Profile picture of the author Robert Michael
    I know they are the most popular. I'm just saying they aren't the only search engine...

    Trust me I know how important they are, but if it was taken away I wouldn't care.. There are millions of other ways to drive traffic to a site.

    And I STILL don't believe he is penalized.

    If anything he is probably sandboxed or started the "google dance" - it's not the end of the world.

    Happened to me before, and I kept building links from quality sites. When I came out, I ranked higher than I did before.

    All I know, is I do plenty of link building and I've never got any email like that.. I'm on first page of serps for my sites.
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    • Profile picture of the author MikeFriedman
      Originally Posted by Whos That Guru View Post

      And I STILL don't believe he is penalized.

      If anything he is probably sandboxed or started the "google dance" - it's not the end of the world.

      Happened to me before, and I kept building links from quality sites. When I came out, I ranked higher than I did before.

      All I know, is I do plenty of link building and I've never got any email like that.. I'm on first page of serps for my sites.

      There are hundreds and hundreds of people that have posted receiving this exact same letter from Google. You only get it if you use Webmaster Tools. If you are not using that, you wouldn't receive it.

      In the letter, they state after cleaning up your link profile to submit your site for reconsideration. That sounds a hell of a lot like a penalty to me.
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      • Profile picture of the author Robert Michael
        Originally Posted by MikeFriedman View Post

        There are hundreds and hundreds of people that have posted receiving this exact same letter from Google. You only get it if you use Webmaster Tools. If you are not using that, you wouldn't receive it.

        In the letter, they state after cleaning up your link profile to submit your site for reconsideration. That sounds a hell of a lot like a penalty to me.
        Ohh. Yeah I don't use webmaster tools.

        But that could also have something to do with why they penalized him in the first place.. I read somewhere that its not a good idea to use it if you are using automation to build links.

        They can apparently see all sorts of things that they wouldn't be able to see if you weren't using webmaster tools.

        But keep in mind, I have no idea if this is true or not.. This is just what I read awhile back.

        As for the reconsideration request, not really sure about that either.. Never had to do anything like that. I must have overlooked that part before. So after reading that, yes I admit it does sound like a penalty.

        LOL I'm not saying I'm right or wrong here, I dont know. Nobody knows what Google is going to do except for Google.
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        • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
          Originally Posted by Whos That Guru View Post

          LOL I'm not saying I'm right or wrong here, I dont know. Nobody knows what Google is going to do except for Google.
          Thats the thing though. They have talked the talk and now walked the walk. A pile of people have got those notices and I wouldn't necessarily put it down to Webmaster tools. A good chunk of these reports start out with a spam complaint from a competitor and not having webmaster tools installed doesn't stop a manual review based on a spam report.
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  • Profile picture of the author boxoun
    If you build links manually to try to manipulate search results you are going against Google tos and you are spamming. Mind as well learn to use tools. You simply are using it wrong.

    You can also rent services for as little as $30/month so the price argument is no longer valid.
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  • Profile picture of the author iAmNameLess
    Well... either way... I don't think he is penalized because of SE Nuke. These software programs and scripts do exactly what they are supposed to. It is the user who is to blame, not the software.
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    • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
      Originally Posted by iAmNameLess View Post

      e. These software programs and scripts do exactly what they are supposed to. It is the user who is to blame, not the software.
      SenukeX is designed to send those kinds of links. Theres no amount of dancing to get around that fact
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  • Profile picture of the author russianbear
    It's been reported several times already. You get a penalty if you use popular senuke templates like "full monty". Google has started to recognize these footprints.
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    • Profile picture of the author boxoun
      Originally Posted by russianbear View Post

      It's been reported several times already. You get a penalty if you use popular senuke templates like "full monty". Google has started to recognize these footprints.
      I agree here. Using templates are for newbs and newbs get penalized. Stop being lazy and learn advanced/ safe techniques. Otherwise don't use it.
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  • Profile picture of the author Robert Michael
    Na come on man. Anybody who knows how to use the software knows that they can import their own links.

    Combine Senuke X with Scrapebox and space out your schedules for the next few months, and thats really all there is to it..

    I'm sure you know that with SB you can harvest relevant sites, forums, anything.. not just blogs.

    You can also check the PR, scan the number of outbound links, all sorts of stuff. lol so yeah it all depends on how they are being used.

    Obviously the default settings and sites are going to be abused.
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    • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
      Originally Posted by Whos That Guru View Post


      Combine Senuke X with Scrapebox and space out your schedules for the next few months, and thats really all there is to it..
      You are right - Thats all there is to it. You get a bunch of crappy links For A hundred and plenty a month. Thats it. nothing else. Scrapebox CAN be used in a variety of ways but did I mention SB? Nope. You brought that in. Senukex is a spamming tool - plain and simple. It has more forum profile links than anything else. If I am wrong then correct me because it was such a laugher for $147 per month I never looked back. It is a total WASTE of money unless you are a newb that does not know better or a service provider peddling its inferior backlinks in order for it to pay for itself. Anyone using it for even six months would end up spending near a thousand dollars that you could do A WHOLE LOT BETTER with

      If Panda and the slaps people are getting does not wake people up that the old days of throwing 10,000 forum links at a page are gone then nothing will, Can you submit articles with SenukeX? or bookmarking ? Sure but at the end of the day AMR and BMD can cover you and leave plenty cash left over as one time purchases.

      Everytime someone gets slapped by using software like Xrummer and SenukeX the EXACT way they are designed and promoted to be used someone always comes in blaming the person using it like it just couldn't be the terribly flawed concept behind the software itself :rolleyes:
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      • Profile picture of the author boxoun
        Nothing to see here. Just another poster who admits to never using it but feels like they have the expert opinion. Once again, you can find senukex for as little as $30/month so your price point argument is not valid.

        I'm willing to bet a lot of money you also spam whether you think it is or not. Get off your high horse. Try it out and maybe, just maybe, we'll care about your opinions.

        Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

        You are right - Thats all there is to it. You get a bunch of crappy links For A hundred and plenty a month. Thats it. nothing else. Scrapebox CAN be used in a variety of ways but did I mention SB? Nope. You brought that in. Senukex is a spamming tool - plain and simple. It has more forum profile links than anything else. If I am wrong then correct me because it was such a laugher for $147 per month I never looked back. It is a total WASTE of money unless you are a newb that does not know better or a service provider peddling its inferior backlinks in order for it to pay for itself. Anyone using it for even six months would end up spending near a thousand dollars that you could do A WHOLE LOT BETTER with

        If Panda and the slaps people are getting does not wake people up that the old days of throwing 10,000 forum links at a page are gone then nothing will, Can you submit articles with SenukeX? or bookmarking ? Sure but at the end of the day AMR and BMD can cover you and leave plenty cash left over as one time purchases.

        Everytime someone gets slapped by using software like Xrummer and SenukeX the EXACT way they are designed and promoted to be used someone always comes in blaming the person using it like it just couldn't be the terribly flawed concept behind the software itself :rolleyes:
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    • Profile picture of the author getboris
      Originally Posted by Whos That Guru View Post

      Na come on man. Anybody who knows how to use the software knows that they can import their own links.

      Combine Senuke X with Scrapebox and space out your schedules for the next few months, and thats really all there is to it..

      I'm sure you know that with SB you can harvest relevant sites, forums, anything.. not just blogs.

      You can also check the PR, scan the number of outbound links, all sorts of stuff. lol so yeah it all depends on how they are being used.

      Obviously the default settings and sites are going to be abused.
      I have been saying this all along. I have been using SENukeXin the past and as good as the software is, it a very dangerous tool if you don't understand the principals of post-Panda link building. Unfortunately as I have learned from SENuke's forums, most of the people don't. May be its because the promo of SENuke concentrates on massive quantities of links and if people buy the product thinking that's all there is to it to link building then they inevitably will shoot themselves in a foot.

      I also think that Google is becoming more sophisticated determining what links are build by the webmasters themselves and what are "natural" links.
      My theory is that any pattern that shows artificial link building is being cataloged by Google and depending on the level of aggressiveness of link building campaign results in devaluing links or even site's penalty.

      So, exercise caution when holding a loaded gun
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    • Profile picture of the author Ceeyee
      Originally Posted by Whos That Guru View Post


      Combine Senuke X with Scrapebox and space out your schedules for the next few months, and thats really all there is to it..

      I'm sure you know that with SB you can harvest relevant sites, forums, anything.. not just blogs.

      You can also check the PR, scan the number of outbound links, all sorts of stuff. lol so yeah it all depends on how they are being used.

      Isn't Senuke X only able to post to the sites that it has programmed? How can Scrapebox help like you mentioned? Even when you use Scrapebox to find a good site it cann't be added to Senuke X right?
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  • Profile picture of the author Robert Michael
    I know SB wasn't mentioned and I was the one who brought it up. But if someone is going to have Senuke, 9 times out of 10 they also have SB.

    Chill out man, lol I'm not disagreeing with what you are saying. I'm actually agreeing with a lot of it. But at the same time, these things are best when used together with other programs.

    As for the price, it can easily pay for itself and then some. lol
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    • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
      Originally Posted by Whos That Guru View Post


      As for the price, it can easily pay for itself and then some. lol
      Sure. thats why I see it killing all the top search terms on Google. Oh wait

      I only see those links in weak serps.

      Nah man. its not about your great love of spamming software . its about helping people and unless you are running a service SenukeX is a waste for individual users. they can do ten times better for the price and have more lasting resources. Plus whether you like it , forgot it or are just lost this thread is about how those kinds of links and practices get sites penalized. FACT

      So you can blame the Op all you want multiple people have go the warning notices and been penalized and they are not all newbs. they use the software just the way it was intended to be used. but funny thing....

      Why didn't you correct me that SenukeX isn't heaviest with forum links?
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  • Profile picture of the author Robert Michael
    unless you are running a service SenukeX is a waste for individual users
    I never said I wasn't running a blasting service

    However I also use it for my own sites, and with great results.

    Sure, some people get penalized. And others don't.

    But just like a gun, it can be used for good or bad. But its not the gun's fault if it is used for something bad.

    It's the person operating it.. lol figuratively speaking of course.

    they can do ten times better for the price and have more lasting resources.
    definitely, but that would involve some hands-on work which people just seem a bit too lazy to do these days.

    Why didn't you correct me that SenukeX isn't heaviest with forum links?
    like i said, i agree with a lot of what you posted.

    Anyway, yeah you do make valid points. But don't be too quick to dismiss the possibility that it really DOES produce awesome results when used correctly.
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    • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
      Originally Posted by Whos That Guru View Post

      I never said I wasn't running a blasting service
      The truth always comes out

      But just like a gun, it can be used for good or bad. But its not the gun's fault if it is used for something bad. It's the person operating it..
      ROFL. That analogy is so weak man. Tell me what is the forum profile section in SenukeX designed to do? Make meaningful spam free posts?

      To use your analogy. its like saying guns were not designed to fire bullets

      Anyway, yeah you do make valid points. But don't be too quick to dismiss the possibility that it really DOES produce awesome results when used correctly.
      It doesn't. you are just redefining what awesome means. I see ton loads of serps that are very competitive and make ton loads of money and they ALWAYS have links coming from authority PR pages causing tham to rank. You want to show us awesome?? Show me a truly competitive serp where forum profile links are killing it. I've offered a hundred dollars by Paypal to anyone who could meet the challenge and they always run away.

      remember I said REALLY competitive. I'll let you in on a secret . - If I ever do find a serp where forum profile sand social bookmarks along with article directories are causing rankings it is usually a weak old long tail. I safely quit all competitive research because I then KNOW I can outrank the top sites - easily.

      Come on man. Stop trying to lead people astray. IF Senuke X gave Awesome results people wouldn't need services like Build My rank and Homepage backlinks. You as a service provider would be blowing up all those services.
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  • Profile picture of the author Robert Michael
    LOL there are guns that fire blanks!

    So there are 2 separate ways to use it, ya kno? haha

    And yeah I know its a weak analogy, but still. No point arguing over something like this, its not like I created the software. lol

    But to be fair, the forum profile module doesn't make any posts. So how is it spamming?

    I think you are confusing XRumer with Senuke in that aspect.

    Senuke only creates the profiles and updates them with the links and bio, or "about me" section - it doesn't go and post on the forums or threads.. So technically, its not spamming anything.

    Spam is the use of electronic messaging systems (including most broadcast media, digital delivery systems) to send unsolicited bulk messages indiscriminately.
    So how is it spamming if it doesnt "send" or "post" anything? It just updates the profile with a link..

    edit: I just saw your edit, lol

    You want proof?? LOL I can show you #2 rank (might still be #1 but im not sure) on google out of 20,000,000 results..

    And to prove it even more, you can see my profile on there.. Username is Whos That Guru, title - ADMIN.

    Now I admit, I didn't use Senuke alone. I also used Scrapebox, TA Pro and some other methods of promotion. But the fact remains, site is #2 out of 20,000,000 results (and thats just google's rough estimate)

    I never got any email telling me to stop it, or to submit the site for reconsideration..

    Ryan (another admin) has wiped out the entire database countless times, and we STILL rank that high! lol so please, i'll take my 100 dollars via paypal now. lmfao

    but no seriously, hit me up on skype if you think im just screwing with you. i can show you.
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    • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
      Originally Posted by Whos That Guru View Post

      So how is it spamming if it doesnt "send" or "post" anything? It just updates the profile with a link..
      Oh vey. You do know we have been talking about link spamming this entire time. Thats what Google penalizes. time to do some google searches until you know what is being discussed.


      and yeah forum owners not only identify forum profile blasts as spam but they have registries of the spamming email addresses and IP (not that it does them any good with proxies and one time email addresses). Spamming is not just confined to posts.
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    • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
      Originally Posted by Whos That Guru View Post


      Now I admit, I didn't use Senuke alone. I also used Scrapebox, TA Pro and some other methods of promotion. But the fact remains, site is #2 out of 20,000,000 results (and thats just google's rough estimate)
      LOL. What would SenukeX sellers do without that completely made up nonsense fake competition number of how many results are in Google for a term as if that determines a competitive serp.

      Here then
      https://www.google.com/search?source...9l3.3.5.2l13l0

      That beats yours by 17 million and STILL is as weak as paper - unless you think there are 37 million people competing to rank for "water bread shoes" - because search count is just an indication of how many times a term appears in the index NOT how much people want to rank for it and gives you NO idea of competition.

      Keep this up and you will have to send ME a hundred dollars for teaching you SEO.
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  • Profile picture of the author Robert Michael
    Touche.

    lol either way, this is getting us nowhere. haha its like arguing with myself, i'll never win. again figuratively speaking. (obviously if im arguing with myself, i would win no matter the outcome) but i just mean that as far as persistence goes.

    you have your opinions, i have mine. but i do respect the fact that you are willing to e-fight to defend your opinion!

    all i know is the wife is yelling for me saying the tacos are done

    take care man, i look forward to some more hearty debates that could go on for hours and hours in the future! lol
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  • Profile picture of the author Robert Michael
    LOL I like this guy.

    I know all about the index. I never said it was 20,000,000 competing sites. I said results..

    But anyway, na I really am getting hungry so I'm going to eat. lol ttyl man

    And just out of curiosity, what made you think of "water bread shoes" ?? HAHA that would have been an excellent point if I HAD said 20,000,000 competitors

    That is some random stuff right there.
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    • Profile picture of the author .
      "SENuke X got me penalized"

      Sorry but Senuke X didn't . You did it. SeNuke is just a tool.... you are the one using it mate.
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  • Profile picture of the author Matt Baker
    I have tried using SEnukeX and its good for link building. But it would also used for spamming which is I think the cause why your website is penalized.
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  • Profile picture of the author Daedalus
    It's high time people start thinking for themselves. When purchasing a product or a service, stop thinking you have just discovered an I.WIN. button. First of all, it's on the market, meaning you're not that special. Second of all, if it was so good, the creator would rank every single high traffic term there is (since it's autopilot of course) and become the king of the interwebz.
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  • Profile picture of the author JeanneLynn
    I am building several sites right now. I wanted to try different techniques with each one to try to get a blueprint of success for future sites. The sites that I had blasted with SENuke and Sb (Fiverr gigs) are doing horrible. The site I didn't use anything on (no backlinking at all, just original content written by me) is doing the best of all. It's about 6 weeks old and I'm getting about 200 unique visitors a day. I know, not much traffic yet, but I'm watching to see how it grows naturally.
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    • Profile picture of the author JohnnyC123
      Originally Posted by JeanneLynn View Post

      I am building several sites right now. I wanted to try different techniques with each one to try to get a blueprint of success for future sites. The sites that I had blasted with SENuke and Sb (Fiverr gigs) are doing horrible. The site I didn't use anything on (no backlinking at all, just original content written by me) is doing the best of all. It's about 6 weeks old and I'm getting about 200 unique visitors a day. I know, not much traffic yet, but I'm watching to see how it grows naturally.
      Surely you must have built some basic links or done some promotion of sorts in order to get it noticed?
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      • Profile picture of the author JeanneLynn
        Originally Posted by JohnnyC123 View Post

        Surely you must have built some basic links or done some promotion of sorts in order to get it noticed?
        I did create a facebook fan page and submit some of the posts to Digg.com. However, I have absolutely no backlinks in Google at all when I check. I overwrite my posts though. They average about 700 words; one is 1800 words. I've got about 30 original articles on the website right now. I'm trying to get to 100 articles.

        To be fair, I have no pagerank at all (0/10) and my Alexa rank is 2.2 million. So I assume that people are finding it through various search phrases found in the long articles.

        I'm a newbie so I'm just trying to guess how it all works as I'm going along. I've read some ebooks and WSOs on article writing.

        The blog is not profitable yet. I've made a whopping $15 in Adsense in the last 6 weeks. The main problem is that they're not giving me relevant ads. I'm hoping this changes soon. I want some money!
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  • Profile picture of the author dagaul101
    It's always a caution especially with the search engines getting wise to automated tools, to find out where your links are being posted and avoid scenarios like these
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  • Profile picture of the author mosthost
    Sounds like you were trying to nuke the search engines and got nuked instead. Better luck next time.
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  • Profile picture of the author TheFBGuy
    Never ever use automated tools on your money site OP.
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  • Profile picture of the author boxoun
    Amr bmr is also pr n/a.

    Again, your price argument sucks because as I mentioned many times, you can get cheaper than that.

    Also, you can see success in 3 months and everything after that is paying for itself so I can argue that senukex is actually free. Almost as dumb as the 2k/yr argument. Who says you have to use it for a yr?

    I'm also done here. I just want to make sure there is an opposite view point for senukex from someone who actually uses it and doesnt pay 2k a year and have been successful with it.
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  • Profile picture of the author donnyh
    So tell me one thing Mr. Anthony.

    Do you think all these success stories are faked: SEnuke.com • View forum - Success Stories

    Every single one of them? Is all this just a conspiracy of gigantic proportions?
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    • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
      Originally Posted by donnyh View Post


      Do you think all these success stories are faked: SEnuke.com • View forum - Success Stories

      Every single one of them? Is all this just a conspiracy of gigantic proportions?
      Keep going off of testimonials in IM it will do you wonders. Then one day you might make use of that wonderful test bed called google , get a good backlink checker and do your own homework. Its not that they are all fake its that a good deal of people using and selling those kind of links try and pull off the bogus I was number one out of 3,000,000 competing pages nonsense.

      In a weak serp almost any kind of link will work. Shucks we've had people go to first page with NO backlinks. Now if any one want s to show me a really competitive serp where forum profiles and social bookmarks are ranking their sites then show it and claim $100 from me but as I indicated it won't be any nonsense metric and you won't get to determine what scompetitive. It will be determined as all good SEOs know on the the level of competition on the front page.

      People who want to pay $147 a month to rank in a weak serp are crazy. You could stay right here on this forum and find seller that give you quality links for far less and rank in those weak serps even easier as well as stay afloat with Panda updates. Check right here

      Warrior Reciprocal Links - Buy - Sell - Swap!

      But - Oh no I might have to do some non push button work - you will have to find the good sellers.
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  • Profile picture of the author boxoun
    How is it bootlegs? Please explain. I purchase yearly and resold 2 license after seeking permission. Others offer the service so again, 150/month is not an argument against senukex.
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    pm me the details, i can sent your site where i was ranked or stronger
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  • Profile picture of the author arnie19
    Just to be clear guys. G Didn't send me message automatically. I believe I got penalized so I made a reconsideration request to them. This is the response I got, which just tells me that I really got penalized due to some violations. Whatever that violation would be, I am only using Senuke to this site so nonetheless, it was the one who triggered the violation.

    G response:

    Dear site owner or webmaster of _________.com,
    We received a request from a site owner to reconsider _____.com for compliance with Google's Webmaster Guidelines.
    Previously the webspam team had taken manual action on your site because we believed it violated our quality guidelines. After reviewing your reconsideration request, we have revoked this manual action. It may take some time before our indexing and ranking systems are updated to reflect the new status of your site.
    Of course, there may be other issues with your site that could affect its ranking without a manual action by the webspam team. Google's computers determine the order of our search results using a series of formulas known as algorithms. We make hundreds of changes to our search algorithms each year, and we employ more than 200 different signals when ranking pages. As our algorithms change and as the web (including your site) changes, some fluctuation in ranking can happen as we make updates to present the best results to our users. If your site continues to have trouble in our search results, please see this article for help with diagnosing the issue.
    Thank you for helping us to maintain the quality of our search results.
    Sincerely,
    Google Search Quality Team
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  • Profile picture of the author Becker13
    Banned
    This thread is embarrassing to so many people
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  • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
    So basically the only thing that matters is Links from Aged domains now because that's what your selling? If you claim to know so much about SEO you would obviously know that variety is key and having various links as a part of your overall link profile is not a choice, it's a it's a necessity
    This is why I have to engage your nonsense because newbies might read that and consider it reasonable not knowing any better. There is nothing - NADA Zip that indicates that google looks at variety of kinds of links separate from IP diversity. A bunch of you are trying to float this to keep your old schemes that no longer work alive and people buying. Google doesn't like spamming and has put nothing in the algo that gives your brownie points for having a mixture of forum spam links, social bookmarks and article directories. This is pure nonsense. The only benefit they give you is popularity and it doesn't matter fig sticks whether you get that IP diveristy from all Pr links. contextual links or a combination of Articles, forum profile or social bookmarks. Your variety of link argument is total nonsense.

    Anyone can go to Google do a search on some of the top keywords and find top ranking sites that have NO forum profile links, No social bookmarks and very sparing article directory links and many none at all. Anyone that does SEO KNOWS this so I suggest you get going on the internets that taught you SEO because thats made up and I won't be able to help you with a course right now. I am booked

    but thanks for demonstrating that what is "all over the internet" and not rocket science is still often poor and worthless information.
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  • Profile picture of the author realmaverick
    SENuke is likely to be troublesome on new websites, who use only SENuke to link build.

    In fact, it can be an issue even on more established websites, if you're not building a natural link profile. I doubt you'd get a penalty, but you would likely lose a massive proportion of your links, once Google see's that you've got an unnatural link profile.

    I would use SENuke sparingly, but then the price isn't justified. I just cancelled my membership.

    Hope that helps.
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  • Profile picture of the author realmaverick
    There is nothing - NADA Zip that indicates that google looks at variety of kinds of links separate from IP diversity.
    No disrespect, as you're evidently a seasoned Warrior and SEO. But I don't believe that's entirely accurate.

    Can you rank with an unnatural link profile? Of course you can. But that isn't the point. That doesn't disprove the value of a natural link profile.

    There is plenty of evidence, that shows diversity is beneficial. My own tests prove that diversity matters. There are tons of similar tests that prove the need for a natural link profile.

    It's also not really fair, that you told the poster his experience is nonsense. It maybe inaccurate in your view, but it's certainly not nonsense. It's his experience and an experience that is shared by many.

    Also, link diversity matters more, if you're going largely after profile links, blog comments etc. If your links are largely contextual, then diversity would matter much much less. But personally, I'd still prefer a more balanced link profile.

    Once again, I'm not claiming you cannot rank a website without link diversity.
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    • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
      Originally Posted by realmaverick View Post

      No disrespect, as you're evidently a seasoned Warrior and SEO. But I don't believe that's entirely accurate.

      Can you rank with an unnatural link profile? Of course you can. But that isn't the point. That doesn't disprove the value of a natural link profile.
      Hi Rm thanks for your input but you are mixing up natural link profile with link variety. Its entirely accurate.

      There is plenty of evidence, that shows diversity is beneficial. My own tests prove that diversity matters. There are tons of similar tests that prove the need for a natural link profile.
      prove it in the serps - again you are confusing natural profile with link variety. No you are wrong. period. First of all there is nothing natural about many sites getting forum profiles or even social bookmarks. All State, Adobe , Microsoft are not running around dropping forum profile links and then doing Social bookmark blasts and blog comments for "variety". Where did this idea originate that natural involve forum profile links and Blog comment spam? Those are EXACTLY what Google indicates are UNNATURAL links. Now what you will get in the serps is a bounce based on popularity as I said but thats based on IP diversity which I referred to but it is total malarkey to claim that Google says hey you have some forum profile links and you have some article marketing links and some blog comment spam so we are going to give you a boost in the serps even though we are on record that EACH one of those are spammy.

      It's also not really fair, that you told the poster his experience is nonsense. It maybe inaccurate in your view, but it's certainly not nonsense. It's his experience and an experience that is shared by many.
      Its utter nonsense. Its stating a rule that does not exist and is used to propagate the idea that an overpriced piece of software that takes nearly $2,000 a year out of peoples pockets delivering nothing but N/A links is somehow very good. Saying it any other way is bound to give new people the idea that it might have some point to it. There is no evidence anywhere in the serps that combining links that Google has indicated they consider spam together gives you a boost. I'll say it again. the only thing that Google cares about is IP diveristy not that you can line up a bunch of kinds of links. So with all due respect to your "tests" what you got was a bounce from using variety of IP not variety of different kinds of links.

      I'm really not going to sit here and act like making up a SEo rule that doesn't exist under the guise of someone's experience that they can't prove is legitimate. Sorry. To clarify if you want to use SEnuke to get Ip diversity thats your (not you specifically) loss. you could get that through article directory submissions with other articles with High PR but theres no variety of kinds of links in the algo for the reasons I have specified - Google doesn't even like the links much less to code an algo to reward you specifically for mixing them into your link profile.
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  • Profile picture of the author realmaverick
    When I actually see a truly competitive page being ranked by you with Senuke like links I will drop off my chair but I do serps checks almost everyday and haven't yet and you can't produce one.
    This I agree with. Perhaps in some niches, you'll manage to get a page ranked with SENuke. But the kind of links SENuke producers are horse**** IMO and I found myself wasting time with no results. If you want easy, low quality links, then products like buildmyrank, are much better.
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  • Profile picture of the author realmaverick
    Ok, here goes.

    Hi Rm thanks for your input but you are mixing up natural link profile with link variety. Its entirely accurate.
    Link variety, builds a more natural link profile.

    All State, Adobe , Microsoft are not running around dropping forum profile links and then doing Social bookmark blasts and blog comments for "variety".
    Why would they? This occurs naturally for such companies. It won't occur naturally for an unknown website, who's blasting blog comments. Which because of lack of link diversity, is easy to spot a mile off and any possible gain, will be quickly lost. This is largely where the problems with lack of link variety stem. When the links are from such sources.

    I'm really not going to sit here and act like making up a SEo rule that doesn't exist under the guise of someone's experience that they can't prove is legitimate. Sorry
    Let me get something straight, as I want to ensure we're both on the same track.

    In your view, is it ok to only have say 100,000 blog comment links and there will be no issue?

    Or are you saying, that if you've got good contextual links, then forum profile type links, would have little benefit?

    If it's the latter, when I agree and we're probably more on the same page than I thought. If you're claiming the prior, then I'm sorry, but you're wrong.

    Not everybody can afford to build just contextual links, and for these people, blog comments, forum profiles etc, can be of some use. But if they only have blog comment links, then I'm sorry, but it's going to be an issue. And this is where adding diversity via contextual links, will help save them.

    As I said, it maybe crossed wires.

    p.s I am all for the prevention of giving out inaccurate advice!
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    • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
      Originally Posted by realmaverick View Post

      Ok, here goes.

      That all depends on the definitions you're using. To me, the two go hand in hand. I wasn't mixing the two up.
      Real you are coming in at at an angle that shows me you haven't even read the thread. i f you have to ask me about 100.000 blog comments then you are off on a tangent. SenukeX doesn't even do those kinds of blasts.

      Definitely crossed wires. My entire point in this thread is that if you have $147 to blow every month om SenukeX you have the money to get a constant stream of contextual high PR links

      Link variety, builds a more natural link profile.
      It does not in the context of what we are talking about. There are plenty sites that will not naturally ever get blog comment, pretty close to no one would naturally leave a link to a site in their forum profile that they were not self promoting and still tens of thousands of sites that will never write and submit to an article directory. Sorry thats all total nonsense that sellers have been pushing not anything based on reality.
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  • Profile picture of the author realmaverick
    SenukeX doesn't even do those kinds of blasts.
    No, I realise that. I was a little out of context and a little too focused on the comment about variety of links.

    I didn't read the whole thread, you're right. I just caught your comment.

    Though you comment was very precise, in that variety doesn't matter, period. At least that's how it come across.

    My argument, was that variety can matter. Certainly in the case of people abusing SENuke. I'd personally prefer some variety, even in the case of majority contextual links. But that's personal choice.

    I'd definitely NOT recommend SENuke to create variety. More vice versa.
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  • Profile picture of the author zoomsixx
    I think if you just open SENuke up and just start plugging in info and use the built in content scraper you are asking for trouble. Either the content just gets deleted and your link chain is broken, or Google sees it as unnatural link building. I don't think I would hit my money site with it. Maybe if I had some really well spun content to use.
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  • Profile picture of the author TopHats
    Senuke is better than paying for links on roll sites.
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    • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
      Originally Posted by TopHats View Post

      Senuke is better than paying for links on roll sites.
      Put simply $147 per month in a few months will give you not just paid links but domains with PR that you own. Since others have said that you need to be an experienced SEo to use it I will say that only newbs in SEo would choose N/a links over real PR links. SenukeX is better only if you cannot think of the countless other ways you could be utilizing $147 a month.
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  • Profile picture of the author GeorgR.
    I am not reading the whole thread now..but..

    SenukeX did NOT get you penalized, YOU got yourself penalized.

    Why do i say that?

    Because in essence, SenukeX is "only" a collection of tools. It is on you how smart you use the modules/tools. It can be very helpful and help you with rankings, or you can do silly things with it. This is why i said in another thread: Use common sense

    It's not SenukeX's fault because it provides the tools - you still need to use it responsibly.

    By the way, i myself don't use the built-in templates, in fact if i use SenukeX i mainly use the separate modules MODERATELY. It's not Senuke which is building my links, it's ME - and Senuke helps me doing this.
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    • Profile picture of the author Gary Becks
      Originally Posted by GeorgR. View Post

      I am not reading the whole thread now..but..

      SenukeX did NOT get you penalized, YOU got yourself penalized.

      Why do i say that?

      Because in essence, SenukeX is "only" a collection of tools. It is on you how smart you use the modules/tools. It can be very helpful and help you with rankings, or you can do silly things with it. This is why i said in another thread: Use common sense

      It's not SenukeX's fault because it provides the tools - you still need to use it responsibly.

      By the way, i myself don't use the built-in templates, in fact if i use SenukeX i mainly use the separate modules MODERATELY. It's not Senuke which is building my links, it's ME - and Senuke helps me doing this.
      Try telling that to Mike "Know It All" Anthony because I have given up. Anyone with common sense can see that you can't blame a tool for your own lack of proper SEO knowledge.
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    • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
      Originally Posted by GeorgR. View Post


      It's not SenukeX's fault because it provides the tools - you still need to use it responsibly.
      Sorry George. Neither you nor Beck knows what got him penalized . Facts are people have been penalized and received notices for spammy links. You all can dance and shimmy it really doesn't matter. SenukeX is a mass submission tool that to this day still has more forum profile links than any other kind of link and it IS designed to blast those sites to give crappy links.

      Telling people that they need to use mass forum spamming tools responsibly is an oxymoron. LOL.

      Originally Posted by Gary Becks View Post

      Anyone with common sense can see that you can't blame a tool for your own lack of proper SEO knowledge.
      Anyone with an ounce of common sense would know that the tool expressly is sold to leave mass forum profile links and therefore using it for such is BOTH the user and the programmers responsibility. But hey common sense aint all that common.
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      • Profile picture of the author Marc_L
        Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

        Sorry George. Neither you nor Beck knows what got him penalized .
        Neither do you Mike.
        Facts are people have been penalized and received notices for spammy links. You all can dance and shimmy it really doesn't matter. SenukeX is a mass submission tool that to this day still has more forum profile links than any other kind of link and it IS designed to blast those sites to give crappy links.
        Sure, if you blindly blast out to your money sites day after day after day, but there are other ways to use the tool that would remove this possibility. There are ways to leverage these "crappy links", that do have value, by building tons of them but not doing so directly to your site.
        Telling people that they need to use mass forum spamming tools responsibly is an oxymoron. LOL.
        Blasting tons of profile links directly to your money sites is a stupid way to use the tool. It isn't the tool that makes someone blast 20k profiles right at their money site. Heck, the tool even automates the task of profile linking the other pages you create. You don't even know if the OP used the profile link module or not either, I don't.
        Anyone with an ounce of common sense would know that the tool expressly is sold to leave mass forum profile links and therefore using it for such is BOTH the user and the programmers responsibility. But hey common sense aint all that common.
        BS, like I said above there is nothing forcing the SEnukex user to blast a crap load of profiles at their site. They could create 1 million profiles without linking directly to their site. Furthermore the tool is not a profile link builder, it does so much more and for all we know the OP may have not created one profile link (I agree that this is unlikely, but we don't know). Yet you keep talking about how it is a profile maker like it doesn't do anything else.

        One could load up scrapebox and blast 5 million blogs with their money site, does that mean scrapebox was to blame or the idiot user? Does that mean there isn't any other utility to scrapebox?

        Also, you act like the 1000+ users SEnukex has doesn't prove anything about it's effectiveness. Do you think they are all service providers? Do you think those who are not cannot calculate their ROI effectively? That they are so stupid that their sites are so far back in the serps that the only traffic they get is through scrapebox scrapes? I think its the height of arrogance to suggest that you know better than they do on whether they are getting results and whether or not it is justified for them to pay the $147 a month.

        For me? I wouldn't use it if it was free because there are easier ways to get the same results.
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        • Profile picture of the author Gary Becks
          Originally Posted by Marc_L View Post

          Neither do you Mike.

          Sure, if you blindly blast out to your money sites day after day after day, but there are other ways to use the tool that would remove this possibility. There are ways to leverage these "crappy links", that do have value, by building tons of them but not doing so directly to your site.

          Blasting tons of profile links directly to your money sites is a stupid way to use the tool. It isn't the tool that makes someone blast 20k profiles right at their money site. Heck, the tool even automates the task of profile linking the other pages you create. You don't even know if the OP used the profile link module or not either, I don't.

          BS, like I said above there is nothing forcing the SEnukex user to blast a crap load of profiles at their site. They could create 1 million profiles without linking directly to their site. Furthermore the tool is not a profile link builder, it does so much more and for all we know the OP may have not created one profile link (I agree that this is unlikely, but we don't know). Yet you keep talking about how it is a profile maker like it doesn't do anything else.

          One could load up scrapebox and blast 5 million blogs with their money site, does that mean scrapebox was to blame or the idiot user? Does that mean there isn't any other utility to scrapebox?

          Also, you act like the 1000+ users SEnukex has doesn't prove anything about it's effectiveness. Do you think they are all service providers? Do you think those who are not cannot calculate their ROI effectively? That they are so stupid that their sites are so far back in the serps that the only traffic they get is through scrapebox scrapes? I think its the height of arrogance to suggest that you know better than they do on whether they are getting results and whether or not it is justified for them to pay the $147 a month.

          For me? I wouldn't use it if it was free because there are easier ways to get the same results.
          Thanks for saving me the time..
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        • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
          Originally Posted by Marc_L View Post

          Neither do you Mike.
          Sure I do. Anyone who has read the thread objectively knows. Its right in post 68. OP stated the letter he got from Google AND states that SenukeX was the only thing he was using on the site was SenukeX. Fact - case closed.

          The only people rushing to defend SenukeX are people who believe and sell low quality PR N/A and Zero links.

          Sure, if you blindly blast out to your money sites day after day after day, but there are other ways to use the tool that would remove this possibility. There are ways to leverage these "crappy links", that do have value, by building tons of them but not doing so directly to your site.
          Spammers always come up with some lame excuse. Forum links have very little juice and they get deleted and nofollowed because of these I love link spam rationalizations. Even if you want to channel juice through a third site then theres no need for forum blasting . You do better using blog comments , Articles etc. At the end of the day I think people should notice that all the detractors to what I am saying in this thread can't touch ANY of my points, In every post they skirt the central facts that are undeniable.

          A) SenukeX delivers mostly Forum links to this day
          B) the software is SPECIFICALLY designed to blast which is why the emphasis on speed and threads to pump as much links as you can per minute
          C) there are far cheaper and more effective alternatives to build juice many of which I have already brought up multiple times

          Blasting tons of profile links directly to your money sites is a stupid way to use the tool.
          LOL. Its exactly how the tool is advertised and used by the service providers that pushe it and you want to blame the poor saps that believe it and do it? What a laugher. Now I grant you its their fault for believing the crap and hype around the product but to claim its not how the tool is designed and advertised to be used is total garbage.


          Heck, the tool even automates the task of profile linking the other pages you create. You don't even know if the OP used the profile link module or not either, I don't.
          Who cares. If you used your noggin you would read post 68 and figure out that whatever links were used IT WAS placed by SenukeX because thats all he said he used. So choose your garbage link wisely for $147 a month it still only provided links that led to the penalty. Oh and since SenukeX does not have as many of any other kind of link you just toasted your whole argument of blasting with 20,000 links. LOL.

          Yet you keep talking about how it is a profile maker like it doesn't do anything else.
          And here we have the skirting around the facts I was talking about people. Sorry SenukeX is mostly loaded with forum profile links to this day and none of the spam defenders here can touch that. If you want articles - One time $80 to AMR, Bookmarks one Time BMD for a little over a hundred. Add scrapebox and do manual commenting on High PR sites and you have a ten times better SEo rig than dropping $147 a month on Senuke
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          • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
            One could load up scrapebox and blast 5 million blogs with their money site, does that mean scrapebox was to blame or the idiot user? Does that mean there isn't any other utility to scrapebox?
            Does the name scrapebox suggest to you any other primary role for Scrapebox . Scraping might be worth one time payment of $50? Ya think? there is NO UTILITY that SenukeX provides that is worth $147 a month. You people are being silly. You expect people to buy a $147 per month tool and NOT use the links that it is mostly populated with? Think.

            Also, you act like the 1000+ users SEnukex has doesn't prove anything about it's effectiveness.
            It doesn't but I can guess why you might think it does. Sorry this is an IM board . That argument is dead in the water to everyone whose been around and even bought a few WSOs that didn't pan out. Everyone knows products that were inferior that due to hype and marketing sold case loads. Where you been? I suggest you stay up late at night and not miss out on those TV make money spots. They rake in Millions of dollars and they are still on every night. Must be really good stuff you are missing out on?

            I think its the height of arrogance to suggest that you know better than they do on whether they are getting results and whether or not it is justified for them to pay the $147 a month.

            For me? I wouldn't use it if it was free because there are easier ways to get the same results.
            I think its the height of arrogance and hypocrisy to be pushing the merits of a $147 per month software that in the same sentence you admit you would not use yourself even if it was for free. Since you haven;t figured it out and I have to educate you.......again. There are a whole lot of people that don't know better and the purpose of discussing these things and taking a stand on them is to help people understand there are better alternatives. By you seller centric philosophy if a bunch of people get taken in by not knowing the alternative they should be left to themselves. Too bad. look around on your computers monitor. Its a forum if you hadn't noticed and no one has to buy your "it sells thousands so it must work" philosophy that only leads to more people wasting their money. Especially when every time you ask for a decently competitive serps it has worked in the crickets start up their next chorus.

            P.S. thank for the high degree of bias evident in your posts. you come in disputing what the OP says and stating he doesn't know why he was banned but claim complete knowledge of how many people buy and use SenukeX that are not service providers and who continue to use it month after month. Got shares? Totally bogus . I could say and am probably right that the majority don't continue using it and quit the $147 a month fee but then you wouldn't put that in your seller centric philosophy now would you?

            So basically when people give testimonials something works for them its good but if they claim it didn't then the problem is always with them and the testimonial to the negative should be disregarded. Hmmm its seems so familiar. Quite a trend in IM these days. Was their a Product launch that sold thousands this was taught in?
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          • Profile picture of the author Marc_L
            Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

            Sure I do. Anyone who has read the thread objectively knows. Its right in post 68. OP stated the letter he got from Google AND states that SenukeX was the only thing he was using on the site was SenukeX. Fact - case closed.
            Case closed? We have no idea what the OP did with the tool, since there are endless ways to use it there is no justification in saying that it was the tool and not what he did with it. If somebody did the 5 million blog commenting blast on their money site you wouldn't complain that it was scrapebox. There is no difference. You could use senukex and not make a single profile if the user chooses you could also create profiles nonstop, user choice. I don't know how many modules the OP used and I don't know which modules the OP used and I don't know how often he used them and I don't know what links he was promoting and neither does Mike Anthony. Those are the facts.
            The only people rushing to defend SenukeX are people who believe and sell low quality PR N/A and Zero links.
            Don't pretend like your bias is non existent.
            Spammers always come up with some lame excuse. Forum links have very little juice and they get deleted and nofollowed because of these I love link spam rationalizations. Even if you want to channel juice through a third site then theres no need for forum blasting .
            Then don't do it. I don't do it because I don't see much value in profiles. The point is you don't need to pump profiles directly at your money site using senukex if the user chooses not to. It isn't the tool that makes them do it.
            You do better using blog comments , Articles etc. At the end of the day I think people should notice that all the detractors to what I am saying in this thread can't touch ANY of my points, In every post they skirt the central facts that are undeniable.
            It's because the way your mind works. First thing is you keep talking about senukex being primarily a forum profile creator when this is probably the last feature that users use it for. Secondly nobody is trying to say profile links are the best things ever. Thirdly, if anybody says that there are places for profile links then they must be suggesting that they are the best thing ever.
            A) SenukeX delivers mostly Forum links to this day
            Sure in pure numbers but this doesn't mean it is primarily a forum profile blasting tool. This is ridiculous.
            B) the software is SPECIFICALLY designed to blast which is why the emphasis on speed and threads to pump as much links as you can per minute
            Does this require you to blast directly at your money site? Hmm? NO, user choice does. It isn't the tool.
            C) there are far cheaper and more effective alternatives to build juice many of which I have already brought up multiple times
            This I agree with, this is why I don't bother with senuke.
            LOL. Its exactly how the tool is advertised and used by the service providers that pushe it and you want to blame the poor saps that believe it and do it? What a laugher. Now I grant you its their fault for believing the crap and hype around the product but to claim its not how the tool is designed and advertised to be used is total garbage.
            Do they advertise to blast directly at their money sites? Over and over and over? Let's read what the scrapebox sales copy says...
            Blog Commenting has never been easier, you can make thousands of blog comments in minutes.

            There it is, according to Mike scrapebox WOULD be to blame if a user blasted 5 million comments directly to their money site. You should be consistent Mike.
            Who cares. If you used your noggin you would read post 68 and figure out that whatever links were used IT WAS placed by SenukeX because thats all he said he used.
            Directly to his money site? How many modules? How often? Over how many days? Questions questions. You don't know any of this.
            So choose your garbage link wisely for $147 a month it still only provided links that led to the penalty.
            IF you constantly blast to your money site. You don't need to do that, remember?
            Oh and since SenukeX does not have as many of any other kind of link you just toasted your whole argument of blasting with 20,000 links. LOL.
            You can run the modules more than once on the same site.:rolleyes:
            And here we have the skirting around the facts I was talking about people. Sorry SenukeX is mostly loaded with forum profile links to this day and none of the spam defenders here can touch that. If you want articles - One time $80 to AMR, Bookmarks one Time BMD for a little over a hundred. Add scrapebox and do manual commenting on High PR sites and you have a ten times better SEo rig than dropping $147 a month on Senuke
            Oh, I agree wholeheartedly, SEnukeX isn't worth it. I wouldn't use it but that doesn't mean the tool is to blame for a user who blast directly to his money site over and over nonstop. You could do that with all the tools you mention above as well. Would it be Vince's fault if you take one article and blast it over and over and over and over again hundreds of times? It says its fast after all?

            Is it Ferrari's fault if somebody drives their Car too fast and hits a patch of ice? They are advertised to be fast after all.
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            • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
              Originally Posted by Marc_L View Post

              Case closed? We have no idea what the OP did with the tool, since there are endless ways to use it there is no justification in saying that it was the tool and not what he did with it. If somebody did the 5 million blog commenting blast on their money site you wouldn't complain that it was scrapebox. There is no difference
              :rolleyes: Does Scrapebox come with thousands of the same blog comment sites? Does it have a feature where they instruct you to click here to automatically send 5 million links? If you don't know that the primary focus of a program called scrapebox is scraping I can't help you

              Yes case closed. Not my fault you can't figure it out. OP states he was only using SenukeX when he got the message from Google indicating why he had got penalized. So was his using the tool involved? Yep. Fact. Plus if you used any deduction you would know that webmasters don't remove articles from article directories they have already approved and the OP if you would only read said point blank he felt he had a chunk removed. Hmmm. Article directories don't just start removing links on approved articles, Bookmarks seldom do (and SenukeX is relatively light on them anyway) Press releases sites! Its got to be them that removed the links they had already approved! Um nah Marc we all know which links get removed the most - even if you don't and guess what -its the same forum profile links I am talking about that senukeX has the most of (go figure). So again even if theres always some one in the court room yelling innocent even after the verdict is in - CASE CLOSED.

              Which doesn't mean the OP is not to blame as well. He bought into the hype and the allege power of senukex even though its lighter in almost everything else than alternatives. In the end he clicked the buttons but dreaming that people spend $147 per month for the "power" to not use the full resources PROGRAMMED into it is beyond lame.


              Sure in pure numbers but this doesn't mean it is primarily a forum profile blasting tool. This is ridiculous.
              You talk about how my mind works but now we get a glimpse at how your mind processes logic. What goes around comes around. The common sense is plain and simple again even if it is not common. If a tool contains mostly a particular element and someone is paying nicely for the tool every month it is TOTALLY irrational not to expect them to use a healthy dose of what it has most of. Your logic is beyond ridiculous. I know you are relatively new to SEO but Senuke has been chiefly a tool for forum links. It merely added on some of the other links this version and even then it messes around with people by telling them to scrape and spin other peoples content .

              here it is, according to Mike scrapebox WOULD be to blame if a user blasted 5 million comments directly to their money site. You should be consistent Mike.
              LOL. You show how little you know of my consistency. I am on record in several threads telling people not to use scrapebox for that. I think its sad that they advertise it for that just as well but as I have been forced to admit in threads where people debates SB - It has its core use as a scraper and that s precisely how I use it. I have NEVER used it to spam. SenukeX is designed from top to bottom to place links and the history of it and the quantity of supplied links has been mostly link spam. period

              Is it Ferrari's fault if somebody drives their Car too fast and hits a patch of ice? They are advertised to be fast after all.
              If Ferrari includes a bunch of spray cans with every purchase and tells you that now that you can go from business to business putting grafitti on peoples homes even faster due to their new engine then yes they would bare some blame. Most sane people would only have to see the ad once to see the problem. Use the noggin man. Its not speed is the problem as in that silly isolation example. its the speed to do what?

              By the way. I think any regular here can sense you are trying to get something off your chest entering several threads you see me in just to debate me point for point. If you want you can PM me. You did so without authorization before but hey if it will help ease whatever need you have and take it off the forum then feel free just know its no invitation for anything but a civil discussion about your real issues.
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              • Profile picture of the author Marc_L
                Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

                :rolleyes: Does Scrapebox come with thousands of the same blog comment sites? Does it have a feature where they instruct you to click here to automatically send 5 million links? If you don't know that the primary focus of a program called scrapebox is scraping I can't help you
                We could argue about what the primary role of scrapebox is all day but it doesn't matter. It has the power, the speed, the ease to blast to millions of blogs that the tool can find for you to post on. Your argument is that scrapebox doesn't come preloaded with blogs? Really? Is this as transparent a case of special pleading to anybody else as it is to me? The tool can find millions of blogs to post on and it just as easily can post to them. This is absurd even for your standards.
                Yes case closed. Not my fault you can't figure it out. OP states he was only using SenukeX when he got the message from Google indicating why he had got penalized. So was his using the tool involved? Yep. Fact.
                Nobody is disputing that he used the tool. The point is that we don't know how he used the tool. It isn't that difficult. He may have posted day after day after day after day to one single site directly for all we know. If thats the case then it wasn't the tool it was the user. We just don't know so the case isn't closed.

                I don't think anymore needs to be said on the subject. good day
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                • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
                  Originally Posted by Marc_L View Post

                  Your argument is that scrapebox doesn't come preloaded with blogs? Really? Is this as transparent a case of special pleading to anybody else as it is to me? The tool can find millions of blogs to post on and it just as easily can post to them. This is absurd even for your standards.
                  Whats absurd and transparent is your attempt at stripping the part of my argument you can't deal with and pretending that they stand exclusively on the points you want. Its a totally dishonest debate tactic as well. sheesh need it one more time Marc? Third and last time. Scrapebox is a SCRAPER. For $50 one time it is a good price for just that. The point that I have to I guess spell out to you is that you get the blogs by SCRAPING. You know like in the name SCRAPEBOX :rolleyes:. See? scraping(So people can and do use it for that - raises hand and no not just blog commenting either - other scraping that probably hasn't even occured to you).

                  Would people pay $147 a month for Senukex dropping articles? No AMR does a better job at that. IF SenukeX did something else besides leaving weak links for $147 then I'd say great. If scrapebox wasn't a scraper and submitted to blogs and nothing else then I would call it the same way especiallyif it had a high monthly cost. Your lack of consistency accusation is a crock and its obvious as I said to any regular why you are in every thread you see me in making accusations and pretending to know my mind etc.

                  He may have posted day after day after day after day to one single site directly for all we know. If thats the case then it wasn't the tool it was the user.
                  So what if he did? If it were worth the money and gave good links it would not have hurt his site or do you subscribe to the nonsense that you can get too many links too fast? Its not the speed of the links a site gets that Google looks at its the quality of the links.

                  You and a few others subscribe to this idea that sellers have absolutely no moral responsibilities to those loyal enough to pay out $147 to them each month. Its a sad mentality that plagues Internet marketers. If you bought a vacuum cleaner and it didn't tell you not to set it on high because it may rip your carpet up then everyone in the real offline business world would agree that its poor customer service and lack of quality control to not put that into the instructions but in IM you can hype a products capability out of this world to get sales and then if the customer follows through you just cast the blame all on the buyer - nah man its the poor sap that just got his site penalized because he trusted the hype around a product.

                  Of course its the OPs fault. I 'd say for using it at all but that does not mean that no one else has any other responsibility. thats the kind of thinking that gives IM its sometime deserved reputation.
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  • Profile picture of the author Buum
    @arnie19 I had the same problem as you. All you need practice with SenukeX. It's a great tool. Don't stop using it, just be careful and test before using on important sites.
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      Originally Posted by wegenbelasting1 View Post

      You love the Mikes or you hate them. If you hate them you should also hate yourself.

      You guys who love the automation software are just a bunch of dumb muppets who are brainwashed by the hyphing sales-letters.

      You should ask yourself why the wso section has 10 times more viewers then this section.

      I must admit I also use automation software en masse, but I only use it to blast web2.0 blogs and articles, never directly at my site anymore. I learned my lesson. And I'm in doubt if that even works (blasting backlinks with the worse backlinks) time will tell.

      If I had a 1000 bucks lieing around I would immidiatly start building my private network.
      Let's say you want to build links (home and inner pages) to 20 sites and over 400+ pages.

      A private network can get expensive since you probably need up to 50-100 of these sites for every niche money site? I.e., hosting, domain registration, content creation, and deep link building?

      Also, it may be too expensive to purchase domains with PR for your private network? Thus, this private network will predominantly begin with domains of PR n/a-0.

      Thus, building a private network will be similar to building up your niche sites (but more work since you have to build more of them for each niche site)? I.e. you have to place good to great content on the private network sites and use a diverse set of links including tier links to build up the private network domain... PR.

      So to me it may seem wise to build up your niches sites and use the profit to invest in the creation of a private network (using outsourcers). Thus, you will be in a better position to monetize this private network to eventually offset the expense.

      Let me know what you think.
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  • Profile picture of the author Robert Michael
    This thread is still going?

    Jeez people, both sides have been argued to hell and back already.. just let it go.. lol
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  • Profile picture of the author PatchesDM
    I haven't heard any other cases of this? Are you SURE this is why you were penalized?
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      • Profile picture of the author Robert Michael
        Originally Posted by wegenbelasting2 View Post

        MUST READ:

        Moderators supporting exposed SCAM and banning me:

        This guy NEseO advertises he will place links on his private blog networks, here my comment on this as I received a free review copy. Please requote to keep this visible. Have reported this at warrior forum sucks . com as well so it will get attention soon enough.

        Remove my review immidiatly, it's 100% false cause my links have been placed on spammed blogcomments. People don't waste your money on this. I will report this guy to the UK police department without doubt for an attempt of scamming. Glad I didn't have to pay for this.

        For the doubters, give me 1 good reason why I would report a scammer when I receive a 100% free review copy where I didn't pay a cent for?

        To the moderators, I will keep coming back every single hour until this thread + my review is removed. I guarantee you that.

        I am wegenbelasting in that thread and have been banned for exposing this scam


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        We have no problem with someone pointing to their WSO within their sig.

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  • Profile picture of the author powerofschool
    Hi ,
    As many people do wrong thing with this works.
    You may get temporary benefits with the bots or any other softwares. But using manual work for Seo will help you for long lasting rankings and ranking will be constant and never drop down.
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  • Profile picture of the author Mark Upshaw
    A tool doesn't get anyone penalized, only how you use it. I lost thousands of links over the last few months, so what? My rankings didn't drop. And I adjusted my strategy along with it.
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    • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
      Originally Posted by Mark Upshaw View Post

      A tool doesn't get anyone penalized, only how you use it.
      If the OP bought it and looked at it and said I will only do some articles submissions and leave it at that then you would be correct. If however he bought it based on how it is advertised and suggested to be used (and if anyone responds that it is a tool designed and sold to NOT be used on your money you will be lying) then yes there is responsibility to go around. Plain and simple.

      Like I said before if a Hardware store advertises a jack hammer to be used to hang up pictures frames in your house they have some explaining to do when walls get cracked. Its really just silly no matter how many people say it to expect someone to buy a product for $147/month and not expect them to use what it has the most of.

      and sellers weighing in with denial who know packages are sold by senukeX "experts" every day to blast links are just full of nonsense.
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  • Profile picture of the author linkbuildr
    Most folks here build pretty lame thin affiliate sites, blast with senuke or whatever, rank high where you're noticed. Most of the sites I see coming from affiliates have no business being ranked high, and then the obvious spam links...of course Google's going to nuke ya back.
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  • Profile picture of the author Verisimilitude
    Using SENuke responsibly?

    That's like saying you should use DDoS software "responsibly" by spreading out your flooding as to not get caught, because in the long run you're still hurting your target by wasting bandwidth and slowing down their site. :confused:

    Viable? Perhaps. Optimal? Hardly.
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    How many links did you build?
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  • Profile picture of the author Marc_L
    Mike your last response is totally irrelevant to what the thread is about. I don't care if senuke is a good value, not my point. In fact I would argue that it isn't a good value. I'm saying that the tool is just that a tool. The OP needs to take responsibility for doing whatever he did.

    This nonsense about scrapebox being a scraper highlights your hypocrisy. Scrapebox excels at scraping, correct but it also excels at posting millions of comments if the user so chooses. It isn't the tool's fault if the user chooses to do that, point blank.

    As a side note I love scrapebox and I totally agree that it is worth more than senukex, for whatever that's worth.
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    • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
      Originally Posted by Marc_L View Post

      Mike your last response is totally irrelevant to what the thread is about. I don't care if senuke is a good value, not my point.
      Really? Says who? You again are just picking and choosing and pretending you can brush aside all the rest by focusing on one aspect of my post - in this case in regard to value.

      Anyway sorry This aint your WSO thread where you get to determine what the point should be or what its about. Value has been and will continue to be discussed in this thread and for very obvious reasons no matter how blind you are to them. The fact that that is what senukeX does and its price tag DIRECTLY determines the extent to which people will use it to do what it is advertised to do. That is my good sir - They use it for what it is advertised as precisely because of the value they assign to it and wanting to get their money's worth. The fact that you cannot calibrate how that is logically deduced is whats irrelevant and I might add totally inconsequential since logic is not based on your vote. It IS a logical consequence of pricing and value.

      The cliff note version is that no one buys a tool for $149 a month intending not to use its most prominent resources which is to blast. So like it or not agree or not the value is central to the issue of how and how much it will be used.

      This nonsense about scrapebox being a scraper highlights your hypocrisy.
      No it highlights your ability to grasp an argument outside of your understanding is all. Your point is rather pointless . SO lets say that someone does come on here and says scrapebox got my site penalized. My response? Yes. They do advertise it as such and they do hold a responsibility for it. Will I still say they had more options not to use it like that given all its other features. Why yes My young padawan. I will still say that Senukex holds more responsibility because there really are not a great many other ways you can get your money's worth out of it if you do not use the resources it mostly consists of. Blasting is CENTRAL to how and why they sell it unlike Scrapebox which must I again say? is a scraper (LOL.. what s this the fifth time)

      Will you claim it is inconsistent and its hypocrisy due to your not understanding? Sure. Who cares?. As our friend Jeremy says - Pound dirt. the point still stands.
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  • Profile picture of the author Russell Barnstein
    Well, I'm tired of this argument, but I'd certainly like to know where a person can get SENukeX for $30!
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  • Profile picture of the author neil_patmore
    Brilliant entertainment! Keep it up guys :-)
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    • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
      Originally Posted by neil_patmore View Post

      Brilliant entertainment! Keep it up guys :-)
      Sorry Neil. No more entertainment. I am done. They can go on for the next three pages blaming it all on the OP. With every bump they let more people know the dangers of mass spamming software. That part is a good thing but I am bored with the amount of repetition and denial in the thread. Have a good night.

      Unsubscribed.
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    • Profile picture of the author InTheMaking
      Without even reading 99% of the comments on this thread, the correct answer is..

      It's not the tool that got you penalized, it's definitely you.

      SEnuke automates the tasks at hand. Wether you do it automatically or manual, at the end of the day a links a link.

      For whoever says SEnuke is a crappy tool, your full of it.

      It's your fault you ran a huge link portfolio in a small period of time. if you scheduled it over a longer period of time, you wouldn't be penalized.
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  • Profile picture of the author Marc_L
    Ok Mike, I can't be bothered with this crap any longer. I bow out. Have a good one.
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  • Profile picture of the author epathj
    there isn't a mistake you use SENuke,the key is how to use SEO software properly
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  • Profile picture of the author solarwarrior
    Check out their forums on how to use it effectively before you blast it as ineffective.
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  • Profile picture of the author senukeservices
    is not only WHAT you are USING but HOW you are using it. Senuke is a tool, and a very effective one. i happen to use it every day, with 100s of sites, achieving great results. Yet senuke is powerful, and needs to be used with care. specially at new websites, there are campaigns designed specially for new sites, that are "SAFE" for building less links directly to money site, but with more links to your links ( more link juice)

    IF senuke got you penalized, Which i seriously doubt, the ussage of this tool is the one to be reconsidered, not the tool itself.
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    • Profile picture of the author dmtaylor247
      @senukeservices you my friend will one day be hit the hardest out of all of us, if you keep burying your head in the sand. You keep saying people abuse it and thats why they get banned, so how can one run a pretty normal custom campaign with unique content and still get a severe penalty? Google don't like you using senuke; Fact whether you use it lightly or hard, your motives are still the same..

      If your services are so good then put your money where your mouth is!, pick any keyword and build a site and blast it with senuke, I'll do the same with manual promotion.. lets see what happens??
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  • Profile picture of the author Takiyo
    I have had some good initial results from using senuke X but lately it seems to have really hurt with some pages dropping right off the results where they used to rank even though they still rank well in yahoo and bing. It seems to have pushed a lot of pages down in google to around the second and third pages. I have been running my projects for 30 days. Was wondering if anyone else has had this experience?
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    • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
      Originally Posted by Takiyo View Post

      I have been running my projects for 30 days. Was wondering if anyone else has had this experience?
      Read the OP? Stop wasting your money. The only people trumpeting this software are people who sell services for this software or people stuck in the past where forum profiles etc blast used to work.
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  • Profile picture of the author jameswatson2002
    Have to be careful with SENuke, like any tools it can be used for good or for bad things, and if its not used correctly it can get you banned in a heartbeat. I stay away from it altogether.
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  • Profile picture of the author Robert Michael
    LOL i see what u did there

    play nice mike(s) im leaving this thread again (u might as well do the same, this is just the same arguments over and over and over)

    i only posted in here again because ceeyee asked me a question

    but for real tho, yes you can add your own URLs to the software. and yes, its only in that module. but you can still add them.
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    • Profile picture of the author MikeFriedman
      Originally Posted by Whos That Guru View Post

      LOL i see what u did there

      play nice mike(s) im leaving this thread again (u might as well do the same, this is just the same arguments over and over and over)

      i only posted in here again because ceeyee asked me a question

      but for real tho, yes you can add your own URLs to the software. and yes, its only in that module. but you can still add them.
      I am playing nice. I just felt your original answer was a little misleading.

      Even those who feel SEnuke is the greatest thing in the world, I think would agree that forum profile links are not even worth the captcha cost.

      Being able to add Web 2.0 sites, social bookmarking sites, video sites, or even Wordpress sites (like the old version allowed), would be a lot more worthwhile.
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    • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
      Originally Posted by Whos That Guru View Post

      i only posted in here again because ceeyee asked me a question

      but for real tho, yes you can add your own URLs to the software. and yes, its only in that module. but you can still add them.
      Hey the only thing we did there was to push you to tell the whole truth. No one reading you write that you can add your own sites is going to think "only in that module" they are going to think they can add sites in at least more than one module if not all.
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  • Profile picture of the author Robert Michael
    Yeah, I see what you guys are saying. I just forgot about that until you mentioned it.. otherwise I would have gladly posted it. I'm not trying to sell Senuke, I have no reason to lie about what it can/cant do. lol

    & my 'play nice' comment was for Anthony, not you. I saw his post in here the other day to someone (it has since been removed) it was pretty hilarious, but probably kinda rude too. Said something like "3 pages of mostly bad reviews, at least you're hopeful" when someone asked if it was any good. hahaha thats great

    But I just added the (s) because by the time I posted my reply, you were above me. lol
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    • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
      Originally Posted by Whos That Guru View Post

      & my 'play nice' comment was for Anthony, not you. I saw his post in here the other day to someone (it has since been removed) it was pretty hilarious, but probably kinda rude too.
      My goodness man - just for once get your facts straight. That was neither in this thread nor has it been removed. Its sitting right here

      http://www.warriorforum.com/adsense-...ce-good-3.html

      and its the truth. 3 pages in there are a number of complaints against that service. Give it up. You merely consider any criticism of the software that you sell services for as being rude.
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  • Profile picture of the author mickmccrory
    SEnukex and tools like it should not be used on your main/money sites, or even your first tier of feeder sites, SEnuke those sites backlinking to your 2nd tier sites if you must use this software at all.
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  • Profile picture of the author larkykid
    Guys, we have talked primarily about the type of links these software tools will build. But, can they bring any sort of decent direct traffic as you mainly have to submit articles albeit spun ones to build the backlinks? Even Magic Submitter promotes content syndication on its sales page. So, even though you might not rank high, can the fact that you have content blasted everywhere bring you some decent bonus traffic? I'm guessing probably not, since a lot of this content won't be found by real visitors.
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    • Profile picture of the author MikeFriedman
      Originally Posted by larkykid View Post

      I'm guessing probably not, since a lot of this content won't be found by real visitors.
      You answered your own question.
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  • Profile picture of the author Robert Michael
    Wow someone is moody today.

    I forgot which damn thread it was in.. So chill out.

    And I didnt say I THOUGHT it was rude, I said it was probably kind of rude from that guy's point of view and he reported it, since I didn't see it in here.

    Forgive me for not wasting my time to scroll thru the rest of your posts to make sure. Sorry but I dont care that much.

    PS: Your post to the guy didnt bother me one bit. I actually thought it was funny.

    But if it had been removed (which I guess it hasnt) I just meant that I could see why that person would have thought it was rude. I see BOTH sides to arguments. You, I cant say the same for. You're the only person who can ever be right, period.

    Geeee, its not possible for someone to lose track of which thread a post was in. Its not like theres hundreds of thousands of them on here. NOOOOOOOO that cant happen.

    Go drink a Prozac milkshake and calm down already.

    And you say for ME to give it up.. Give what up?? YOU are the one who cant seem to stop posting in here. This entire subject has been covered already. There is no reason for you, me, or anybody else to keep arguing about this topic.

    Whatever, I'm done here.. You can keep replying and starting e-fights with people over NOTHING all you want. Have fun buddy.
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  • Profile picture of the author Takiyo
    Okay great, thanks for all the helpful advice on this page. I will definitely be using it with caution from now on, cheers.
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  • Profile picture of the author GeorgR.
    If you go out and buy a hammer...

    And then start to build a shed...but you have no clue and the shed turns out to be utter crap...and it collapses...do you blame the hammer for being "bad" and sue home depot because they are scammers and sold you a bad tool?

    In all seriousness...senuke is what you make of it. You need a plan and strategy.
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    • Profile picture of the author irishfury
      This thread is so funny so much mis-info in this thread. Few smart people but you can almost tell who has what point of view based off there sig.
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    • Profile picture of the author MikeFriedman
      Originally Posted by GeorgR. View Post

      If you go out and buy a hammer...

      And then start to build a shed...but you have no clue and the shed turns out to be utter crap...and it collapses...do you blame the hammer for being "bad" and sue home depot because they are scammers and sold you a bad tool?

      In all seriousness...senuke is what you make of it. You need a plan and strategy.

      If that hammer is made of plastic, then yes. Some of the blame falls on the hammer.
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    • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
      Originally Posted by GeorgR. View Post

      If you go out and buy a hammer...

      And then start to build a shed...but you have no clue and the shed turns out to be utter crap...and it collapses...do you blame the hammer for being "bad" and sue home depot
      Yes of course I do. If its a tool that has one of its setting as the "full monty" and it starts shooting nails into the wall so clumsily they fly back and hit me in the head sending my site er ....me to the hospital of course. It was not properly advertised, poorly conceived and including the full monty in the settings was the engineers fault not mine.

      Bad product makers get sued all the time George.
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    • Profile picture of the author Fraggler
      Originally Posted by GeorgR. View Post

      If you go out and buy a hammer...

      And then start to build a shed...but you have no clue and the shed turns out to be utter crap...and it collapses...do you blame the hammer for being "bad" and sue home depot because they are scammers and sold you a bad tool?

      In all seriousness...senuke is what you make of it. You need a plan and strategy.
      The hammer's job is to knock in nails. If the nails are so ordinary that they bend when you look at them then I would blame the nails when the shed falls down.

      SENuke is like a bag of cheap nails; you know, the variety pack from the discount shop. Yeah, there are heaps of different shapes and sizes but at the end of the day they won't hold up the 'shed'.
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      • Profile picture of the author Gary Becks
        Originally Posted by Fraggler View Post

        The hammer's job is to knock in nails. If the nails are so ordinary that they bend when you look at them then I would blame the nails when the shed falls down.

        SENuke is like a bag of cheap nails; you know, the variety pack from the discount shop. Yeah, there are heaps of different shapes and sizes but at the end of the day they won't hold up the 'shed'.
        Ok, without getting into how I disagree with your analogy. It's still the consumer's job to do their research prior to purchasing the "cheap bag of nails" . So when the shed falls down you cannot in any way blame the nails or the sellers of them, especially not when they give you a full 30 days to test the nails out to see if you like them prior to building your shed with them.

        Not sure how anyone see's blaming a tool for their failure as being acceptable. If it is wrong to think your going to get a push button solution it is also wrong to blame a tool for your failures, period..
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        • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
          Originally Posted by Gary Becks View Post

          Not sure how anyone see's blaming a tool for their failure as being acceptable. If it is wrong to think your going to get a push button solution it is also wrong to blame a tool for your failures, period..
          You ability to write the word "period" hardly closes the matter in any logical way. Countless products have directions and warnings on them and are required to do so or they would be sued.

          IF any tool had a designated setting of full monty and using it resulted in destroying what you were working on the company would be sued. You are living in a dream world.......period.
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          • Profile picture of the author Gary Becks
            Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

            You ability to write the word "period" hardly closes the matter in any logical way. Countless products have directions and warnings on them and are required to do so or they would be sued.

            IF any tool had a designated setting of full monty and using it resulted in destroying what you were working on the company would be sued. You are living in a dream world.......period.
            Because I provide the utility to do something does not mean that you are forced to used it.

            I don't even use Senuke, so I don't know what a full monty is. In any case, I am sure that it is not the only setting the software comes with.

            We are human beings, we make decisions, that's why we have brains, the day you or anyone else starts using ANY type of software and trusting it to make decisions for you than you have already put yourself in a position to fail.

            What's so hard to understand about that?
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            • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
              Originally Posted by Gary Becks View Post

              We are human beings, we make decisions, that's why we have brains, the day you or anyone else starts using ANY type of software and trusting it to make decisions for you than you have already put yourself in a position to fail.

              What's so hard to understand about that?
              Look, you can dance and whine all you want. Bottom line at the end of the day everyone in this thread KNOWS that there is a huge market for people who want to push a button and rank and that several people rush into the market to relieve people of their cash.

              You and others argument is the same as many in IM who stand behind the "Make $10,000 in a week" product - that its always the buyers fault and fingers should only be pointed at the ones who pay the cash not those who take it. It helps perpetuate people getting ripped off and it soothes the conscience of those pushing the stuff. People are lazy and greedy so it excuses the sellers laziness and greed.

              DO product sellers have an obligation to warn customers of various things in regard to their product? Yes. Buy any equipment it comes with warnings ,directions and safety protocol. Whats so hard for you to understand in that? Live in the real world anytime recently?

              In your illusionary world these companies do this because they want to. In the real world they are obligated by their legal departments. So yes if you have a setting that says "full monty" and it may wreck your site their SHOULD be a warning about that. Whats so hard in that?

              Here read and get an education
              Product liability - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

              look under types of liability and learn something for a change. The failure to warn liability might blow your mind.
              You people always argue for the LOWEST moral and ethical denominator for what is pushed rather than calling for a higher standard. its part of the reason why the industry is so scuzzy.
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        • Profile picture of the author Fraggler
          Originally Posted by Gary Becks View Post

          Not sure how anyone see's blaming a tool for their failure as being acceptable.
          If experts are spruiking a product saying how great it is then a buyer buys that product only to find out they were deceived then that isn't just the buyer's fault.

          Originally Posted by Gary Becks View Post

          you cannot in any way blame the nails or the sellers of them
          Yes I can. I just did.
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          • Profile picture of the author Gary Becks
            Originally Posted by Fraggler View Post

            If experts are spruiking a product saying how great it is then a buyer buys that product only to find out they were deceived then that isn't just the buyer's fault.



            Yes I can. I just did.
            OOOkaay? What does that change? If Tiger Woods promotes a golf club and I buy it only to find out that it sucks am I given the right to blame the golf club company for my poor golf game?

            In case you or anyone else with money to spend have been living in a cave for the last 500 years it's called Marketing!

            And you and Mike obviously aren't really good at it. There's better ways to market your Home Page Backlink services than bashing every other type of link building method..

            Good Day.
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  • Profile picture of the author alexschmidt
    hi,
    senuke x is a software which i always stay away from because the speed at which it builds back-links to website raise red flags in Google's eye which intern get's your website penalized by Google.
    i still prefer manual link building method, it takes time but on the long run it's helpful.

    kindest,
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    • Profile picture of the author GeorgR.
      Originally Posted by alexschmidt View Post

      hi,
      senuke x is a software which i always stay away from because the speed at which it builds back-links to website raise red flags in Google's eye which intern get's your website penalized by Google.
      i still prefer manual link building method, it takes time but on the long run it's helpful.

      kindest,
      alex
      There is no such thing "as the speed it builds backlinks" UNLESS you make the newbie mistake to use their pre-made templates/campaigns and let them run like that.

      I myself am using the modules, not the wizzard and do MOST of it manually, and you can very well only to a smaller number of sites/bookmarks per day...and not sign up for ALL the accounts, profiles, webs and and do ALL of it in one blast.

      OF COURSE you can do this - but please, common sense!

      (If you buy a sports car...it's also not wise to push the pedal all the way through all the time )
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      • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
        Originally Posted by GeorgR. View Post

        There is no such thing "as the speed it builds backlinks" UNLESS you make the newbie mistake to use their pre-made templates/campaigns and let them run like that.
        Of course George after all newbies ought to know that actually using a template THAT COMES WITH THE SOFTWARE is the same as flooring a sports car pedal. :rolleyes:

        Only thing is its not a sports car. It s a badly engineered car that can only run fast when its going downhill in weak competition. the minute it has to climb even a medium competitive hill in the serps its stalls and sputters.
        LOl at the Senuke advocates trying to sexy up getting a whole pile of weak spammy PR N/A links for $147 a month like its some Ferrari.

        Wheres the very competitive serp where that SenukeX ferrari is finishing at the top? Show it in the serps. If you can't show it in a competitive serp then its more like a Go cart with one gear.
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        • Profile picture of the author monere
          So much hate on you man! Really ...
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  • Profile picture of the author mrshades
    Wow this thread is really funny. I dont suggest any one use senukex but i can see it getting great results especially in crappy niches. When worked into a good strategy i can see it being a tool that really helps. I use white hat techniques mostly but then blast them with xrumer and scrapebox
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  • Profile picture of the author tylerjaysen
    Yeah you might have some other things going on that caused the big G to penalize you...instead of blaming senuke. I liked senuke back in the day when it first came out...very much a time-saver. However...the whole captcha thing really was bogus for me. Also now that I stopped using it..I cannot get rid of the startup screen. Ugh
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    • Profile picture of the author Marc_L
      Originally Posted by tylerjaysen View Post

      Yeah you might have some other things going on that caused the big G to penalize you...instead of blaming senuke.
      Impossible! It has to be SeNuke! It has to.

      People need to take responsibility for their sites. That really is the bottom line. You can tank your site with SeNuke, you can also do it with AMR, with scrapebox, with Magic submitter, with manually created links for that matter. Sure, its easier to do it with some of these tools but that doesn't mean remove the responsibility from the site owner.

      For the "full monty" in senuke it would be no problem whatsoever to run that on an established site with an existing good link profile. If you run it on a new site then you might have problems, in which, you've learned a lesson.
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      • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
        Originally Posted by Marc_L View Post

        Impossible! It has to be SeNuke! It has to.

        People need to take responsibility for their sites. That really is the bottom line. You can tank your site with SeNuke, you can also do it with AMR,
        You ought to know . LOL

        but yeah you can tank any site with blasters. Who said any different? If you think anyone has it in just for Senuke you have misread. I will tell you this though. the scuzziest of the scuzziest right now are forum profile links so if a tool is all loaded up with mainly that well it has a higher chance of doing so.

        And you and Mike obviously aren't really good at it. There's better ways to market your Home Page Backlink services than bashing every other type of link building method..
        LOL. I can entirely believe why you believe anyone making a stand on anything does it merely to sell something but for once get your facts straight. Neither of us Mike's (that I am aware of) presently advertise a home page backlink service and as to what we are good at you would hardly know although I will say that my forum for my students learning to build their own resources (rather than always having to pay $149 to senukeX like you advocate) have more members than a certain "guerilla" board and they pay to have that access. Go figure. Perhaps you should look into better ways of marketing.
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        • Profile picture of the author paulgl
          Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

          I will tell you this though. the scuzziest of the scuzziest right now are forum profile links so if a tool is all loaded up with mainly that well it has a higher chance of doing so.
          Kudos to that! Hopefully the threads about a zillion forums to spam with
          profiles will drizzle into nothing.

          Yes, I have a friends forum in my sig now. But no profile links are
          allowed. You can post a link from day one. I need that disclaimer as
          it may be misconstrued that I hate forum links. No, I love them,
          actually. I hate people joining a zillion forums just to get a profile
          link. Your link will most likely be gone at first forum cleanup. Start
          making posts, and your link now becomes a little more valuable.

          Join a few forums that allow sigs and links, and PARTICIPATE!
          You will be doing both yourself and the forum owner a favor.

          Paul
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  • Profile picture of the author Robert Michael
    Look, you can dance and whine all you want. Bottom line at the end of the day everyone in this thread KNOWS that there is a huge market for people who want to push a button and rank and that several people rush into the market to relieve people of their cash.
    Dude.. come on now. Have you looked at your sig lately?

    RANKING POWER -Unlimited High PR Links that you control The ONLY TECHNIQUE THAT CAN DELIVER.
    Really Mike? THE ONLY technique that can deliver? Well this certainly explains why you're so intent on arguing that nothing else works.

    I really cant believe this.. what a joke.. After 4 pages of arguing and fighting over some of the DUMBEST things anybody could ever be arguing about, you're still posting..

    But then again, your sig explains why you refuse to even consider the possibility that maybe, just MAYBE some of these programs DO work.

    But no, thats not possible. Nobody is as good as you. Period. You're the best at EVERYTHING.

    So if it doesn't work for Mike, it cant possibly work for anyone else. Right... I'll be sure to make a mental note of that.

    You have the secret to the ONLY technique that works. Everything else is a fraud.

    of here with that.. you have THE MOST posts in this thread, and your signature and your constant bashing of products that compete is obviously the reason.

    If you want to promote your stuff, just say so.. Stop trying to bash everything elses stuff and go find a new thread that you can actually contribute something to.

    Oh and for the record, the "full monty" that you keep talking about is not a SETTING. Its a TEMPLATE.

    You can change it, you can use it, you can delete it - ITS UP TO YOU!!!

    In all honesty, Senuke DOES work. Its doing exactly what its programmed to do. How is it the programs fault if you dont know how to use it?

    Thats like hiring a construction company to build a house - they have all the tools, but without the knowledge and experience from using them they probably wont be able to actually produce a house. Or at least not a very good one...

    People are going to think what they want to think - regardless of what you, me, or anybody else say.. So drop it and move on already.

    If people want to hear what you have to say on the subject, they won't have to look very far.. dont worry. LOL people can just randomly check any page of this thread and THERE YOU ARE.

    I mean come on.. You are the TOP poster in this thread. You probably have about 50 or 60 posts in here, and some of them are back-to-back.

    EDIT: Oh look, you've done it again before I posted this reply. Go figure. hahaha yet another double post by you.

    So just stop already.. We know what you think on the subject already, we know what senuke supporters think about this subject, and both points have already been argued. Problem solved.

    Should have been closed a long time ago if you ask me.. wow. Just wow.

    Just let this thread die already.. lol come on people. We all have better things to be doing.
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    • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
      Originally Posted by Whos That Guru View Post

      Dude.. come one now. Have you looked at your sig lately?
      DUDE! LOL . DO you know how to read? I teach people how to build their own network. Its not a service.

      Really Mike? THE ONLY technique that can deliver? Well this certainly explains why you're so intent on arguing that nothing else works.
      Sigh....Reading as they say is fundamental.

      "Unlimited High PR Links that you control The ONLY TECHNIQUE THAT CAN DELIVER"

      Is there any other way of getting High PR links that you control without actually owning the domains? ROFL. SEnuke sellers you got to love em. So funny. Yes having your own domains is the only technique where you have control over your own High PR links. Know another way?

      Look Sherlock. Its well known on here I use Magic submitter and I have even recommended AMR in small quantities. I recommend MS because instead of hitting the same sites over and over and only depending on scuzzy links you can add any site you want not just forums. Even my greatest detractors on here know I use MS and support it. SO I am not anti all software as you claim and I also have recommended services like BMR . SO your claim that I claim only my stuff works is an Epic fail. You are just fronting all that because of your self admitted SenukeX service provider status.

      As for the one that thinks they are great a everything and not being open to listening. Noticed the OP recently? I'm not the one in this thread yelling down the OP saying its his fault and since it hasn't got my site penalized it could not have gotten anyone. Thats on you bro..um....I mean.... Dude.

      Oh and for the record, the "full monty" that you keep talking about is not a SETTING. Its a TEMPLATE.

      You can change it, you can use it, you can delete it - ITS UP TO YOU!!!
      A template is a kind of setting . Thanks for the distinction of no merit and yes its in there and as such should come with warnings. Products actually come with those - a point you can't touch.

      Look I am just going to skip the rest which is all the other personal nonsens. You are not a mod and you don't control where anyone posts. or how much. Off point and silly to rant about so I'll let all that go

      Just let this thread die already.. lol come on people. We all have better things to be doing.
      Classic example of where leading by example might have been more credible especially since you added nothing to the topic but a general rant against a poster not the subject. Where was your better thing to do? I offer no apologies that you and other SenukeX sellers were not able to drown out that OP and blame him all for what happened to his site. Want the thread to die? It would have died long ago if SenukeX sellers didn't come constantly in this thread to blame it all on the OP. As long as you come in here making your claims that a bunch of PR N/A links are the greatest thing that works wonders you will get an answer. How you have not figured that out yet is beyond Wow.
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  • Profile picture of the author Robert Michael
    I like how you didn't acknowledge this part of my post:
    In all honesty, Senuke DOES work. Its doing exactly what its programmed to do. How is it the programs fault if you dont know how to use it?

    Thats like hiring a construction company to build a house - they have all the tools, but without the knowledge and experience from using them they probably wont be able to actually produce a house. Or at least not a very good one...
    And this thread would have died a long time ago if you would stop bumping it to repeat the same thing over and over and over again..

    Unsubscribed from this thread's notifications, you're added to ignore list from here out.. Nothing more to do/say. Later. Have a blast.
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    • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
      Originally Posted by Whos That Guru View Post

      I like how you didn't acknowledge this part of my post:.
      Because its been rebutted a number of times already (but you keep trying to float it and then cry for covering the same thing over and over :rolleyes . Its a lousy tool and the links themselves are weak. Do a search in any competitive serp and you won't see SenukeX links holding the top rankings.

      Care to take me up on that? four pages and no one has.

      The analogy was pretty bad as well. We are talking about a template/setting included in a tool that can get sites penalized. There is no defense for including it without warnings. Instead of arguing against that and blaming the buyers shelling out $149 a month you should push SenukeX sellers to include a warning on these things. least they could and I do mean least..
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  • Profile picture of the author tg1
    This has got to be one of the most entertaining threads.

    Mike keeps talking sense and numbers and the only response that is given is focused on analogies.

    So senuke is definitely definitely not responsible for anything. At all. Ever.

    Or more succinctly put (I'll save Whos That Guru some time) - "If you buy a tool but that tool then uses another tool and then attempts to use that tool and then a house falls down, it cannot be that tools fault, the tool after all is a tool, and the house might not even be the one originally constructed by the tool or on the same street".

    But everyone kept on coming back to the same point which is $147 a month for bad links is... well... $147 a month wasted on bad links. Why do we need an analogy to explain that???
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  • Profile picture of the author senukeservices
    I respect all opinions here in this forum. However i must speak for my own experience. Some might think that im pro senuke only cause i sell senuke services... thats not correct. I could be selling any kind of seo services... i sell senuke cause it really works!
    I have tried all and every seo link building system out there, and i have suscriptions to most of them, since i do a living from seo services. However, none of the other services deliver so much and have so many drastic results as Senuke.
    This is just a fact, and i have many examples of sites which are new and have achived 1st page ranking using just senuke.
    and i dont care if some think is just crap... i work all day in this industry, and i know for a fact that senuke can have a new site with proper onsite seo ranking top 10 in less than a month, for a medium competition kw. , sometimes in the first week.
    I have achieved myself top 10 rankings for almost all my customers sites, and believe it or not, this is a fact, senuke is really effective.
    Im aware that best practice is to have a variety of networks where links come from, and so i use almost 10 different networks for my customers... however, senuke alone delivers more than the other 9 services i use.
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    • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
      Originally Posted by senukeservices View Post

      This is just a fact, and i have many examples of sites which are new and have achived 1st page ranking using just senuke.
      and i dont care if some think is just crap... i work all day in this industry, and i know for a fact that senuke can have a new site with proper onsite seo ranking top 10 in less than a month, for a medium competition kw. , sometimes in the first week.
      I have achieved myself top 10 rankings for almost all my customers sites, and believe it or not, this is a fact, senuke is really effective. .
      Enough of this junk. 7 posts on WF and trying to sell you Senuke link spam services claiming that you know better than professional SEOs. Fine. I'll expose your nonsense

      medium competition? right. Okay. I'll pick a medium competition. You rank using Senuke and I'll pay you $200 reward. Only I don't want some silly first page ranking. Coming in tenth is not ranking. Position 10 gets no traffic. Top three or you don't know what you are doing.

      Time to put up or shut up in this thread.

      You game? or will you just run away?
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  • Profile picture of the author senukeservices
    mike antony cool down...
    HaHaha!
    Whats this, medieval times?
    I see that YOU are selling seo services too, and that YOU say in your site you are better than a couple of months senuke???
    Its seems that YOU are trying to promote your website a senukes expense....

    If you dont like other peoples opinion, a forum is not the best place for you, as is all about listening to different opinions!

    And about your offer: I would never accept a customer who would try to make my ranking efforts fail, as you know tampering with onpage seo the wrong way can easily do that... only real customers

    And if you are SOOO good... how comes your site is not on page 1, not even for the exact domain kw?? ( which is really an easy thing to do)...
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    • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
      Originally Posted by senukeservices View Post

      mike antony cool down...
      HaHaha!
      Whats this, medieval times?
      I'm as cool as a cucumber and medieval times were when SenukeX links worked

      I see that YOU are selling seo services too, and that YOU say in your site you are better than a couple of months senuke???
      Its seems that YOU are trying to promote your website a senukes expense....
      My course was requested by users on this board after a debate on the topic. My position that Senuke is a waste of most peoples' money came well before that and I'll never be embarrassed to point that out . With less than ten posts on WF you wouldn't know about the history on that so you are forgiven .

      If you dont like other peoples opinion, a forum is not the best place for you, as is all about listening to different opinions!
      Maybe you should learn something about the stat system at WF my man then you might see who has more credibility to talk about forum participation and who should and should not be on the forums.

      And if you are SOOO good... how comes your site is not on page 1, not even for the exact domain kw?? ( which is really an easy thing to do)...
      Actually thats why I am sooo good . I know enough about SEO & competitors on WF. The first thing they do is try and see your backlinks and reverse engineer your sites just like you immediately went and looked mine up. Anyone trying to rank a site and then posting it in their WF signature is a newb or doesn't care because their links have little value. Sites you put up for WF customers should be exclusive to that use. You won't find a single backlink i built to that domain either.

      You however have lost half the links to your site recently (Deletions of some unsuspecting webmaster no doubt in one particular case) and your pligg links is about to roll of the page. anymore free lessons you want?

      Incidentally not much from you about my challenge. Were people supposed to be distracted and not realize that you declined to take it? I said nothing about my own site or controlling the on page. Once a keyword is selected you may rank in it , keep the site for yourself and I'll still pay out the prize. Anymore excuses?

      anyway welcome to WF. You'll find many fun times with me when pushing link spam links
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  • Profile picture of the author senukeservices
    Seems I met THE RULER of this forum...hahaha! i expect more from a senior than been aggressive with new members...nice chatting though
    have to go, work to do...
    see you!
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  • Profile picture of the author cyrilchua
    This has been so interesting looking at the argument. I use senukex myself and it's been pretty okay for me. Just hit their forums man. That's where uyou should be going for senukex tips not here.

    In my army there's this saying : do whatever you want, but just don't get caught- by big G in this case.
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  • Profile picture of the author Cool Hand Luke
    While Mike is clearly right, this thread has just become an argument thread now.

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  • Profile picture of the author AlexRyan
    senuke will get you penalized IMO. Happened ot my micro=nice site
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    • Profile picture of the author mohamedalwakeel
      I thought I would add my experience to the post.
      I used to spend hours each month ranking my website using forum link packets and would help me rank, however it was a never ending battle as noticed although my rankings would go up my links would eventually reduce and I had to keep getting more just to maintain my position on the first page. As soon as I stopped link building using forum packets my rank dropped to second page.
      Mind you it was not the only method I used, I also commented on blogs and forums, and joined link networks like SEOlinkvine which also yielded results.
      Google is definately looking for sites to mix it up, doing nothing but posting forum sigs or posting to all the same handful of web 2.0 sites will get you
      noticed very fast by google and penalized.
      At one point I dropped over 10 pages, just because I didnt have unique content on my site. I changed all that, and post PANDA updates I actually went up in rankings.
      I tried the old version of SENuke and was not really very impressed, forum sig blasting is just gonna get your links removed and the list of web 2.0 sites that SENuke used was not very comprehensive even though I spun my content like mad before posting.
      At the end of the day, Google employs the best engineers in the world on their systems. Doing the same old link building again and again will get you noticed very fast. They also have a lot of manual checking staff as well.
      I learnt you have to mix it up, use some Nofollow links, vary links from different sites, use RSS, and press submissions, deep link your sites, and for gods sakes use unique content on your site at least. Google appreciates the web can fill up quickly with duplicate content like a rumour about a celebritiy hitting many sites, so its not as important when its not on your site.
      Lastly NEVER be aggressive in your link building initially on a new site, thats very unnatural unless you have a good reason like being a news site (Google does check new sites)
      Thats from my experience of ranking different sites I have.
      Just to prove my point goto Open Site Explorer and check any high ranking website and see foryourself how the links are mixed up and dont look unnatural.

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      Originally Posted by jinx1221 View Post

      Dave's shed is still standing because he knew that by doing things right, and knowing that the tool was only that, and not a replacement for care and craftsmanship.

      Kinda early to be hitting the juice. Its not even new years eve. I think you are lost. Heres where you can talk about screwdrivers

      Welcome to The Home Depot Community - Welcome to The Home Depot Community

      Cause theres no way you can be talking about craftmanship with SenukeX. LOL. Crappy N/A links are crappy N/a links no matter how you place them. In a screwdriver analogy the links Senukex gives are cardboard screws and the house can't Take a good breeze.
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      Originally Posted by jinx1221 View Post

      Oh btw, marketing your services by bashing other peoples products is not good pr, and that is exactly what you are doing. I've never seen a Nintendo commercial that says "Playstation Sucks".. Just so ya know.
      Oh no..... telling the truth might make SenukeX sellers angry and give me bad PR. Whatever shall I do? What will I do ? speak the truth or lose PR (ironic since PR stands for pagerank that SenukeX delivers none of) ? Hmmmm lets see. Umm...OK....let me put it this way.......

      The moral of the story is Spending $147 per month for SEnukeX PR N/A links SUCKS.

      You inspired me. Take a bow

      Difference is Playstation is a decent product. Want the link to a consumer electronics forum next? the analogies are failing you pretty badly my man.
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      Originally Posted by jinx1221 View Post

      Ok bud,

      #1, all pages start out PR N/A. It's the site's authority that is giving the new pages weight, and the links to those pages that may eventually give those pages PR.
      You have the same amount of knowledge I would expect of a SenukeX defender.

      A) No not all pages when you place links on them are at PR N/a. Any other fact is irrelevant to link building. I can place links on high Pr comment pages with PR2 and up, I can place them in in content links of blogs with Pr, I can use things like BMr that give me links on pages with Pr right off the bat and a host of other link building techniques that you are completely in the dark about. For $147 a month shoot I can even buy links on high Pr pages and do better.

      B) what links may eventually get Pr? You are dreaming. forum profile links do not because they are buried away deep in sites with most having no links to the profile pages, bookmarks won't give you either and unless you link to blog sites on new pages neither will they. Thats what? like 85% of the resources senukex delivers. Your "eventually may" is rubbish. Most pages stay at PR N/A or zero unless you go back and put some links to them.

      For $147 a month thats what I get - "may eventually" with in reality next to never? I take it back go back to the analogies - your real facts are worse.


      if Playstation ever bashed Nintendo, they just lost a customer.
      Too bad for Playstation I don't see your name among either my potential customers or present ones so I lost nothing.

      #3, Speak the truth about YOUR product, not your opinion of other's products. #4, If you are a real internet marketer, but at the same time say that public relations is horse****, then what does that say about your product and ideologies?
      Actually I don't consider myself an internet marketer in the sense that you might perhaps because I have never been interested in Public relations that equates to me lying or offering junk. I am a SEO that hates seeing people ripped off by scuzzy techniques and products and I'll say what I wish on them because this is an open forum and the product you push delivers low quality links - PERIOD and at a relatively high price per month.

      #5, ah, I'm out of breath. Please leave.
      contribute something here, that people like and thank you for before you give directions to people who have been around and done both to leave. It just might have some weight at that point.
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          Originally Posted by jinx1221 View Post

          Who said I was pushing or for senuke? I know it's an overpriced software, for what it does. Im saying, though, that it does what it says it does, and doesnt say anywhere on the package that you push a button and money will come rolling out of your cdrom drive.
          Nowhere? thats odd I could have sworn this was the title to their home page.

          SEnuke X SEO Software - The World's First Money Making Machine.


          and no money coming out the CD rom? shucks some people had such high hopes.

          Great! You contribute something here
          Welcome to WF. To the left there are board member stats. If you look you will see you how late you are to the realization. I do quite fine with customers too but this might shock your kind of internet marketing mind set - I get them by telling the truth like it is not because I holdpositions that are better for my "Public relations". I wouldn't have it any other way because I found out that people that want push button solutions with weak spam links are not my target market anyway.

          You posted an excuse analogy meant to blame the poster for what happened to him.


          Bob blames his broken shed on the screwdriver.
          If you call that helping the OP and answering him then theres no reasoning with you just like there has been no reasoning with any senukeX defender before you in this thread laying all the blame at the Op's feet. That I don't allow you to unanswered is what gets all of you upset no matter what other excuse you make up.
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              Originally Posted by jinx1221 View Post

              Do you like to argue? Does that trip your trigger? Or is that your marketing angle.. a pissed off, arrogant jerk that makes you feel like some sort of rock star, that all the newbies want to be like?

              Well if you must know I consider many of you SenukeX defenders SUPREMELY arrogant in this thread by telling the OP its his fault for using the tool improperly and like it or not deny it or not you very much did just that by putting the blame in your weak analogy on the guy that used it improperly.


              I wasnt blaming the op for using the tool and getting himself penalized
              :rolleyes: Sure you were. Don't be dishonest. That was the whole point of your analogy

              Bob also took his out of the box, and sort of skimmed over the directions
              Bob also had finished his shed, and in half the time as Dave took, however, since he had the setting on 'High', and hastily built his shed by just blindly putting screws in wherever he could, he failed to screw in where it needed it most
              Dave's shed is still standing strong because he learned everything he could about building sheds, and built his shed right from the start, while also knowing that the tool was only that, a helpful aid, and not a replacement for care and craftsmanship.

              Bob blames his broken shed on the screwdriver.
              Total garbage that you were not blaming the Op. You chose words and phrases over and over again to cast blame on BOB and great "craftmanship" :rolleyes: on the guy who knew how to use it "properly". tool is great in the right hands and Its all the Op's fault for not knowing better. don't blame the tool its the user yada, yada yada. Sure it comes with a template setting called the full monty but he should know NOT to use it.

              So what the programmer put in there was so it Would NOT be used. They advertise

              "The multi-threaded submissions in certain modules are 10-100x faster than in the old version. You can also run as many modules as you want simultaneously"

              just so it will NOT be used by people shelling out $147 a month for those features. Such tom foolishness. It boggles the mind.
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      Originally Posted by jinx1221 View Post

      And with the Ford Pinto analogy, the Pinto was a Design flaw. Senuke does Exactly what it says it will do, good or bad. Does it promise thousands of links? Yep! Does it promise your site wont get slapped for it? Nope.
      Yeah, that's exactly what I'm saying. SENuke is based on a flawed design. It does do exactly what is says it will - what it does is the problem.

      Why should the makers of the software not have any accountability for selling a crappy product?
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        Originally Posted by licketysplit View Post

        Why should the makers of the software not have any accountability for selling a crappy product?
        He entirely left out that it promises to help you rank and make you money. Getting penalized with no traffic I think is safe to say the opposite of that promise.
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            Originally Posted by jinx1221 View Post

            It DOES help you rank and make you money.. my friend Liz Spot just made $2 this year on the keyword "purple monkey underwear" on a site senuke was used to rank with..
            Welp, I can't really argue with your friend's $2 per year return on their $100-something per month investment...

            but nowhere I've seen on their website says "You Will NOT be penalized by using this software" Haha!
            Haha, I just checked out their website and it says exactly that:

            "Due to the huge number of sites available in SEnuke X, our customers are immune from any Google slaps."

            Boom. Try spinning that...
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              Originally Posted by licketysplit View Post

              "Due to the huge number of sites available in SEnuke X, our customers are immune from any Google slaps."

              Boom. Try spinning that...
              LOL! Missed that one. all the defences are falling off the rails. Immune? Thats either gross ignorance on their part or straight up in your face lying.

              Originally Posted by jinx1221 View Post

              I am not promoting senuke!
              Promoting ? perhaps not. Defending and claiming it does exactly what is promised? unquestionable and who is calling you blind and stupid? You are doing the personal attacks and name calling
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              Originally Posted by licketysplit View Post

              "Due to the huge number of sites available in SEnuke X, our customers are immune from any Google slaps."

              Boom. Try spinning that...
              Ok...I'll spin that by using their wonderful added disclaimer since you took that line out of context...:confused:
              Due to the huge number of sites available in SEnuke X, our customers are immune from any Google slaps. Those in trouble are the ones who rely on one type of link to boost their sites, or post junk content on their site.
              Of course...who judges whether the content is "JUNK" or not? It sure is a good escape clause....
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                Originally Posted by Barry Unruh View Post

                Of course...who judges whether the content is "JUNK" or not? It sure is a good escape clause....
                Hey Barry. Read it two times and I see no escape clause there. You kinda took it out of context as well. Heres the paragraph that goes before it.

                As you can probably tell by the success stories above, SEnuke X is fully compatible with Google's latest changes! No matter what your niche is: dog training, weight loss or any of the other thousands of niches, we are getting success reports on a weekly basis saying their rankings haven't been hurt one bit by the latest Google changes. A lot of them even say their rankings have improved!
                So the copy IS telling them that there are Google slaps that people get but that if they use SenukeX with all of its links they are immune from link spam issues.

                "Those in trouble are the ones who rely on one type of link to boost their sites,OR post junk content on their site.


                So they are clearly saying there are two reasons for slaps and the software protects you from one which is very much false.
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          Originally Posted by jinx1221 View Post

          Would you not do the same if you could?

          Ummm no. I'd prefer to make a great product than just some software to take people's money but its pretty much how I suspected you would see internet marketing.

          It DOES help you rank and make you money.. my friend Liz Spot just made $2 this year on the keyword "purple monkey underwear" on a site senuke was used to rank with.
          Don't worry it will be just our secret that that example is one of your best success stories

          Originally Posted by jinx1221 View Post

          Please explain. You mean that if I buy a chansaw, and I saw my head off with it, I can sue Black and Decker, because the instructions didn't specifically warn me, "Do not run the blades of this chainsaw around your neck and slice through it, or your head might become disengaged from your body,
          No Einstein but if it has a high setting and it has no warnings that the blades may slip off at high speed and fly into the air and they end up around your neck and cutting off your head your loved ones will have a good lawsuit to collect on. See....... your still no good with the analogies.
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              Originally Posted by jinx1221 View Post

              Either way, you lose. Someone who is obviously promoting SEO methods might want to not go there with me in the legal category.
              someone who has no clue about law should not go there with me. Google's rules have nothing to do with product liability flaws in SenukeX's software. Paticularly in light of their promise

              Originally Posted by licketysplit View Post


              "Due to the huge number of sites available in SEnuke X, our customers are immune from ANY Google slaps."
              It would be perfectly understandable if someone read that and came away with the conclusion that everything was on the up and up with the software in regard to Google since the only logical way that any software maker could claim to be immune of ANY penalty is if their techniques were completely within the TOS. So rather than help you their claim in light of the TOS bites your argument in the rear as a misrepresentation of their products conformity to Google's TOS.

              Either way yet another one of your arguments in defence fails.

              anyway its been fun helping you double your post count but I must retire now to finish some work and then hit the sack.
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                  Originally Posted by jinx1221 View Post

                  Ok well good night then, oh by the way, are all the methods you teach in your "Destroy Google" campaign all within googles tos? One would hope that after reading your methods, one site doesn't suddenly disappear for reading and implementing such advice as setting up contextual links on sites with high PR in order to boost ones rankings. But you do have a disclaimer that prevents legal action, should one arise, do you not?
                  Don't need to put any disclaimers in the fine print. My course covers all of that right in the videos. You think you would catch me in some hypocrisy Jinx? That I would complain about SenukeX not telling the whole truth and nothing but and do the same thing?

                  Theres not a person that goes through my course that does not know the risks and the best practices to limit them (but never entirely eliminate them). Sorry no hypocrisy for you to expose.

                  edit : scratch that. Stay on the subject of this thread not whats in my sig.
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                  Originally Posted by jinx1221 View Post

                  Ok well good night then, oh by the way, are all the methods you teach in your "Destroy Google" campaign all within googles tos? One would hope that after reading your methods, one site doesn't suddenly disappear for reading and implementing such advice as setting up contextual links on sites with high PR in order to boost ones rankings. But you do have a disclaimer that prevents legal action, should one arise, do you not?
                  Buying aged PR domains to manipulate the SERPs is just as black hat as doing xrumer blasts. Don't let anybody fool you.
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                    Originally Posted by Marc_L View Post

                    Buying aged PR domains to manipulate the SERPs is just as black hat as doing xrumer blasts. Don't let anybody fool you.
                    Like I told Jinx -off topic. last I checked this thread was neither about xrummer blasts or aged domains. You are just running from thread to thread to start talking about whatever I have in my sig. but please go on. Like jinx its great advertising. I should pay you guys.

                    Hmmm what is it about Mikes sig that has everyone so fascinated with it / scared of it? LOL
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                    Originally Posted by Marc_L View Post

                    Buying aged PR domains to manipulate the SERPs is just as black hat as doing xrumer blasts. Don't let anybody fool you.
                    Buying aged PR domains to manipulate the SERPs is just as black hat as doing senuke blasts. Don't let anybody fool you.
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                      Originally Posted by Marc_L View Post

                      Buying aged PR domains to manipulate the SERPs is just as black hat as doing senuke blasts. Don't let anybody fool you.
                      You are half way there . Now where in the OP is there anything about aged domains and exactly who was allegedly fooling anybody that buying aged domains was White hat?
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      Originally Posted by jinx1221 View Post

      I will agree, using the 'full monty' or whatever might get your site in trouble, so in that respect, yeah, if the op used the tool without knowing what the full monty does, and doesnt anticipate that degree of fast backinking might get ones site penalized then yeah, it is indeed the op's fault for not understanding what the tool does.
      Read the thread. Thats been answered and you can't deny it. In the real world if you buy a tool with settings on it there are instructions and warnings. They are required not to be sued. Claiming the OP is responsible for the lack of warning in the software is just more of the same from you.

      In the end, though, the tool is not what's responsible
      We've established thats your position for which you have no proof nor any sound rationale.


      And Im not a senuke defender, im a software/tool defender, whatever tool you may use! If I owned senuke, I dont, but say I did, and I saw your whatever it is your selling, I might buy that too. But why shoud I now, when you just crapped all over me for using a variety of software?
      See? arrogance comes in many flavors . You keep coming back to you buying my services or choosing not to like the world revolves around you and your money. Has it ever occurred to you that I don't really care about having you as a customer? That I am not dying for every and anyone to buy from me? That perhaps there are some sellers that care more about the principles they hold? That the world is not entirely for sale by what you choose to buy or not to buy?

      I didn't like you dropping everything on the Op and blaming him not because he is my customer (he's not) but because on PRINCIPLE I think its wrong. I am not going to dance and whine and dine around you because you will or will not buy my products. get over yourself. this seller believes in what he sells more than he needs your cash and isn't going to let you dump on the OP because its good "PR".

      Sheesh you not buying a product from me isn't the point of this thread. Thinking it is is the most arrogant thing in this thread to date.
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    Maybe having a mixture of both manual and automatic links might help deter the big g from paying too much attention.
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    Originally Posted by arnie19 View Post

    Well, my other website which is PR4 got penalized by G. I am only using senuke x to it and it started when the indexed backlinks where deindexed and my website's backlink counts dropped. I believed it was when those backlink you've created with the software where deleted by the webmaster of the site where they have been put.

    I still agree that using manual method for permanent link is much better or hiring people and outsourcing works to them.

    I know the tools a lot and all contents I am using are 3 spun version and original articles only with high quality that I got from Freelancer writers.

    Did you experience the same? it started to happen this August 2011.
    How much traffic do you have...and....how many incoming links do you have?
    Is it over balanced?

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    i used senukex n i seen some great results with it, as long as u dont abuse it and spread the submissions and also use other types of linkbuilding with it for diversity #truestory
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