You'll get my new backlinking software when YOU PRY IT of my dead cold hands

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It amazing. Its pretty much established now that the game has changed and the old backlink software that delivers profile, directory, bookmarking etc, links won't stand up long term to panda. People are doing so much better with things like BMR and yeah even some tumblr and blog commenting.

Yet every other day someone is coming out with a new tool and people are biting on it like it has some mystery to it. Like we were still back in the Angela Backlinks can rank me for anything days.

Still with "this tool will rank you number one on google in a week" and "push a button to dominate". and the "I know it doesn't work with that other tool but hey he says it will with this tool" crowd goes crazy.

Yeah I know scrapebox still has it uses and so does AMR but seriously tell me - why do you go crazy for the newer tool that really offers nothing new? Why do you think theres some mystery coded into a software tool when there is not even much mystery in SEO itself? Is it like a drug and you are just addicted to the idea of pushing a button to rank?

You know it aint going to happen right? A tool that even shows you ranking will only do so because YOUR keyword research found a low competition term. Just send the dollars to a local charity would be better. Maybe I'll just create a website that looks like an online tool with one button and a couple of fields. Button will read "Push to rank." I'll have a lot of moving parts and interactions with updated graphs etc like backlinks are being created while in the background it will really be just me and my crew like the wizard in The wizard of OZ.


I bet it would be a hit. Quit the habit man (or woman) or else........

You'll be just be the Lindsay Lohan of Backlinking junkies.
#search engine optimization #backlinking #cold #dead #hands #pry #software
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    • nope but I generally find the people who say ouch the fastest are the people whose foot you just stepped on

      Not to worry clint I have no doubt that software that Zoooms you to the front page of google in one hour is legit. How could it not work asdvertised?
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  • Software is just a tool, the main thing is our strategy to become number one in all search engines. More new software is released for backlink in this day, because its market is very promising indeed.
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    • No doubt very promising market for the sellers but really if you could buy a tool that really does what several of them claim to do why are there so many people who can't rank and can;t get traffic in IM? Inquiring minds want to know.
  • Mike, you just have to have a look at some of the backlinking or 'seo' forums to see that many people forget the aim of the game and become obsessed with backlink counts and index rates rather than creating an online business utilising organic traffic.
  • There is some truth in what you are saying, but post Panda, I am still ranking up websites using a tried and true combination of blog comments, private blog network posts, article blasts and forum blasts - all indexed.

    This is no guarantee these methods will work indefinitely, but for the time being they still work.

    So, I guess, keep ranting and I will keep earning.
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    • Try leaving off Blog comments . private blog networks, and articles and call me when you have read the OP. You just might have a legitimate point then. I mentioned all of those when I clearly indicated the blog comments, BMR and AMR still work. You just missed that in your anti rant rant. Your forum blasts don't matter squat no matter what you claim. leave the others off and you can prove otherwise.

      Be happy man. Good thing you can still rank without great reading skills
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  • Mike, why do you support bmr and amr? I'm starting to get confused. Doesn't bmr roll off to n/a? And I'm assuming you support amr for advanced uses and not posting to article directories.
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    • Box contextual links still work to some degree. BMR I have no idea how fast they roll off but even when they do initially they will carry some link juice over . I agree they ultimately roll off into never never land but its conceivable to me that they work till they do AND Google recrawls the domain.

      What is inconceivable, proven weak over and over especially post Pandais blasting a page with garbage forum links, social bookmarks and to some degree article directories but I still see some evidence that AMR can give you some popularity brownie points but frankly I think many of those especially when you are trying to get a thousand are weak as can be as well.
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    The problem I've found with low quality links (profiles, etc...) is they bounce the page your trying to rank like a mofo, in the SERPs.

    The only way I recovered was stop the junk links, build a few quality links, then lay off the the linking & on-page updates to let everything settle down in the SERPs. Next resume quality linking, after the SERPs settle down to recover.

    Maybe others have different experiences, personally I don't like all that SERP bouncing back & forth like a ping pong ball, that's when I decided to skip the junk links.
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    • Firstly. I haven't read everything, but a big thanks to the OP. I am a complete noob to this and have spent a fair bit on these one click programs and gotten absolutely nowhere, so I'm ready to believe he's correct.

      yukon (and anyone else who is up on this stuff) when you say build a few quality links, can you explain how one would go about this. I'm assuming you mean blog posts on high PR edu and GOV sites? Here is a scenario. If I have a wordpress website with the following credentials.
      • Fully SEO optmized
      • two excellent articles
      • easy to rank keyword (0.2)

      How many of these quality backlinks would one need to gain in order to see some good google rankings? Would 50 be enough? Should this be repeated weekly? monthly?

      Cheers.

      edit: just read part that that this is mostly pertaining to easy to beat serps and not tough competition. i dont go for tough stuff, so i think im still going to keep the questions up...
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  • I'd like to make a proper test out of it so lets see what somebody else suggests.
  • Sorry but I disagree with the forum profiles crap Mike. No, they're not the most pwerful of links but I'm almost certain they're useful to a degree in SEO campaigns - if they were not, then the big dawgs like Matt Carter wouldn't still be Iain them - or me.

    I've noticed they're valuable, but not anywhere near as valuable as contextual blog links.
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    • Mav just about any link will have an effect in a weak broken down serp no one is going for. There are people who rank in weak serps with no BACKLINKS. When someone can show me a serp where forum profile link s is beating out a site with a solid portfolio of quality links with the same keywords and the same target then you will have a point. but every time this is asked for there is nothing but crickets.

      I have even put up a $100 bounty for someone who can show a page in a competitive serp ranking on the power of those where they can show that it is not better links actually doing the heavy lifting. I'll gladly put it up again. So certain? Good go for it and show it in the serps.

      What we have in this thread from some is to be expected I suppose - a whole lot of people angry at the messenger who are still hoping against hope for the good old days and cannot adapt so they are trying to hang on to what no longer works and in the process just leading people down the wrong path while making some bling selling the pieces to nowhere.

      Theres just enough newbies in IM every year for enough of them to leave testimonials based on getting to the front page of Google on a low traffic term few care about and getting even less of that traffic because they don't get past position 5 getting less that 4% of that already weak traffic.

      Truth hurts. I know it does but I used to use and sell profile links when they were good too. Adapt. don't hang on refusing to. Its part of growing up. If I could then you can too.
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    • I don't give a rip who uses what. This is another problem with IM people and SEO. You take the whole IM guru hype marketing junk hero worship and carry it over into SEO and in the process fool yourselves and a whole ton of newbies. Don't give me evidence based on who uses it give me evidence in the serps. You won't find any real SEO expert AKa "big dawg" :rolleyes: that says that forum profiles are good but personalities in IM have different ideas. Who cares either way. Show your theories in the serps. I will

      EXHIBIT A

      Anyone that has been around a few years knows that the number one search term used to sell backlinks was well "backlinks".

      Angela killed that term for quite awhile using profile links. From before the first Panda update however that technique got kicked to the curb. Now the only backlinker that breaks top three utilizes a healthy dose of High PR links not forum junk.

      No one trying to get that term anymore? Guess again. From time to time the backlink xrummer guys try and get up there but can't crack into the money spots and get kicked down. You'll see the most recent kicked down one on the second page. Pretty obvious who it was when you see the domain name.

      Now if in the the serp that was number one for selling these kinds of links you can't even crack top three what does that say about their effectiveness. I know.....


      Go ahead and ignore the evidence and tell me how certain you are again.
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  • Human nature always seeks the path of least resistance. It's all about instant gratification: instant food, instant messaging, instant weight-loss, instant credit, instant loans, and of course..... instant SEO!

    Marketing is a psychological science and junklink sellers just have to appeal to our human nature to make bank.

    The true SEOers are continuosly testing and adapting to the changes and the rest are just looking for the instant solution.
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  • Mike, I don't think anybody is saying profile links are more powerful than any other kind of link. Not sure why you are asking for proof of something like that.
  • Mike, you infuriate me and educate me in equal measure - good job!
  • Also I have xrumer waiting if we can all agree on a test.
  • Mike nobody is saying forum profile links or signature links are anywhere near as powerful as high quality, contextual blog links. You said they're worthless, which they are not - and no, nobody will ever rank for a competitive term solely with these links, I don't think anyone in this thread suggested that either.

    I'm just challenging your statement of them being worthless, which they are not. I'm happy to use them here and there on my affiliate sites, however I'd never dream of using just them alone to rank a site - you'd have to be an idiot to even try or do it for that matter.

    Yep, they're generally lower quality than other links but they still have a place in modern day SEO, unless you're gunning after the big dogs then in which case you may want to overlook them.

    Anyway, morale of the story; they have value
  • Guess it depends how much you rely on the junk links Yukon. I've found that sites with enough 'high quality' backlinks can tolerate a fair few profile/signature links. Besides I've had sites ping around the SERPs for over a month (i.e. not in top 300) with just high quality links.

    It doesn't happen as often, granted, but it does :p
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  • I agree that the game has changed, and blasting links these days will more than likely get your site penalised
  • and that my man is the "secret" of running a SEO Business. There are a few thousand warriors who will buy your service for under $97 and millions online that run real businesses and are accustomed to spending thousands of dollars on advertising.

    ten WF customers will make you a thousand a month and ten small business customers will make you $10,000-$20,000 or much more per month.
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    • Well, except those small business owners are much harder to get than the warriors are. If you put together something the warriors like and can do so at a price that is profitable yet cheap enough then you are golden plus you can get a whole lot more warrior customers than 10.

      I wouldn't say one is better than the other it just comes down to your preferences and who you think you can sell to more effectively. If you can do so to both then, why not?
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  • I enjoyed reading this thread, well actually the debate between yourself and Marc. As for automated software, I have them but stopped using them a long time ago and now use 2 Warriors back-linking service and 2 drip feed services which I've found on here and all 4 have had excellent results on my sites. Different strokes for different folks I guess.
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    • Nope. Google's algo doesn't change depending on the different folks. This is WF. There will always be some people claiming this or that works for them. Just saw a thread yesterday where someone is claiming they can rank in a competitive serp with no backlinks . The reason for this is multiple.

      A) People define great result based on their level of experience. There are some people that get all excited because they got their first 2nd page result. They swear thats excellent. Others get to the first page and actually believe - mission accomplished without even cracking top three.

      B) People rank in very weak serps that get very low levels of traffic capable of monetizing and swear they have gotten somewhere. Plus Most software backlinkers have nothing to compare it to. They don't know and probably will never know how to get high quality links so they have to swear by the spammy stuff and yeah since you can rank in a very weak serp with no backlinks it stands to reason you will be able to pull out some serps with some poor quality links - sure.

      C) People remember the results of things selectively and remember only when the page moved up not when it tanked or failed to

      D) Unfortunately some people in Warriors just weigh in with claims cause they don't like the conclusions others are drawing. They don;t have to show any proof so they fire away.

      However at the end of the day the google serps don't lie and with a backlink checker its pretty obvious to any objective person that the top of Google results have very few competitive pages ranking on the strength of good links not automated spammy ones. You can see that over and over and over and over and over again in serp after serp.

      Theres a simple question though that reveals the answer. Since these tools have been around for years, sell like hot cakes and services around them are so popular - why are people still having problems with traffic In IM?

      Pretty obvious they don't in fact work.

      But will there always be people who play the ostrich and bury their head in the sand and say it tastes good? Sure. Some people even learn to really love the crunchiness of the grains between their teeth too.
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  • It stands to reason that auto-generated links lose value. After all, many of the same pages are being spammed repeatedly. That means thousands of crappy links going to probably very poor websites. Plus, the next wave of 'tool users' comes along a few seconds after you post, etc.

    There aren't that many 'auto approve high PR blogs' on earth to withstand this after-market of link sellers.
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  • Was it me that was running you down about senukex? That software allowed me to earn my first couple thousand so of course I had to defend it.

    Being a rational human being, I'm allowed to change my mind based on recent results and say senukex is too expensive for what it offers.

    Also, please keep in mind I always promoted senukex if you can find it cheaper than 147/month.
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    • Lol . No Box. not you . I have only one person running from thread to thread trying to win a point and thats not you.
  • I'll have a go at putting this back on track...

    There are a wide range of people trying to get a start making money online (using organic traffic). While some are looking to create a long lasting business that can be built up and stand the test of time, there are still many who just are after some extra cash to help make things a bit easier.

    Not everyone can afford to start out building their own network of sites or rent links off other networks. They have to work with what they've got and many can afford the $20 to buy one of these automated tools that claim to make things easier - and scalable - just to get the ball rolling. They go for the software because they think it's needed to get results. Quantity over quality is a well worn track in this forum but many of that crowd jumped ship with the crackdown on selling spammy backlink sources and methods.

    It's not needed if you work within your means - your SEO skillset and experience.

    Where these guys can get started without having to rely on spamming links is by looking for the low competition terms and working their way back up the chain of difficulty. I've covered the numbers in the past but a keyword with even less than 1000 searches per month can get you more traffic than more highly searched terms with tough competition. The reason is that most of the traffic goes to the #1 spot. The traffic drops off fast as you move down the top 10. Anything past 5 is almost insignificant.

    There are low competition buying keywords where a few well placed links will let you dominate. They don't have to be wastes of time. Brainstorm by thinking outside the box and the options are limitless.

    Create content that you are proud of. This will make it easier to approach other sites for links. It will allow you to comment with a link attached without worry of it being written off as spam. You will also have a page that converts once the traffic gets there.

    Once you have those first few pages making a regular income you can start looking at tougher versions (shorter keywords) for the same pages and use that regular money to either start buying links or building your asset base :: your very own private network. (Paying for video creation, guest post writers, info graphics are some other ways to invest your earnings for more links). Always pay attention to your return on investment and potential for growth. This will allow you to invest in quality links with confidence they will pay off.
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    • thanks troy. I 'll concentrate more on your posts and ignore the rabble form the bleachers from here on in.

      Agreed. Valid point. thats why I talked about blog commenting with scrapebox and mentioned AMR. I use Magic submitter where you can also do press releases and add your own sites instead of hitting the same sites over and over again by all the users. As I mention in the OP what I am talking about is this desire to run out and buy the new tools that frankly add nothing new but concentrate on weak links and in particular blasts of great numbers from truly crappy link resources. People ARE getting tanked by this approach.

      I have seen sites built up with Blog comments and it can be done in a non spam way. No building networks. AMR can be setup to publish to blogs as well (Although for that feature I much prefer the ease of use in something like Spinchimp)

      I know. A very prominent seller of a backlink product that used to go at me a year and a half ago came in on a thread and stated something that made my mouth drop. He has done a 180. He came out straight and said that he can confirm that you can tank a site with a good xrummer run and that those days are done. Panda had changed the game.

      IF I mentioned the name and the product he sells you would know it but I am not going to do that to him. I think it took major props for him to come in and change direction but like you said to most SEOs Panda is a wake up call.

      The problem is that the general public that does not eat drink and know SEO (and should not be expected to because they have their own careers and life) usually lags behind in knowledge in great part because sellers who can't let go of the past and adapt keep pushing the same things that no longer work in order to keep the dollars coming in.

      Anyway thanks Troy. Your post came in at the perfect point to snap me out of get embroiled further in a pointless conversation. Good stuff as usual.
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  • wtf are you babbling about?
  • Mike, if I ever become filthy rich I'll build a statue in your image. I am amazed how both you and yukon have the patience to tell people the same things over and over. Unfortunately, they refuse to accept them. The main problem is that 80% of people who call themselves internet marketeers are the victims of the same market they are trying to dominate. People refuse to consider the fact that internet income requires work before, if ever, it becomes autopilot.
    The constant quest for the next best thing is quite similar to gambling. I say similar due to the fact that it gives you even worse odds of profiting. Most of the things that are launched are worthless, but people always get hooked due to low price of the product and the fake feeling of being a VIP who will gain the edge that nobody else has.
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    • Where will that statue be located ? but no they do worse than refuse to accept them they actually attack you pretty hard for pointing people away from things that don't work.

      HO Hum... comes with the territory
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  • First of all, I didn't say you were a mod, or had a mod deleted them. YOu caused unnecessary negative attention to an honest thread and turned it into something it wasn't. Or you flagged it, who knows. And no, I didn't start off saying "WE USED THESE TOOLS TO RANK IN THESE CASE STUDIES, LOOK HOW GOOD THEY WORK!!" I said we are the creators of....


    No, you tried to tell me my thread was something it wasn't and then tell me the thing that it wasn't, was wrong. Just as easy as I can say THIS is a sales thread because your bashing High PR Networks the same time you have a link that says your about to launch a High PR Service. :rolleyes:


    Like I said, it only said we are the creators of...to establish authority and that this wasn't some case study done by Joe Blow. If that was the problem, a mod could of easily said to delete that part.

    I looked on the forum rules (in the only place I could see anything that mentioned forum rules) and couldn't find anything that said that. That is the only reason it was made that way. (I'm not calling you incorrect, but saying thats what happened..in fact..a link to the rules that say that would be great)

    The only place that mentioned forum rules was..

    What are the Forum Rules?

    Out of that, the closet thing I see as a rule is...
    ^ My thread was not an "ad" or a test post. So why would I think that it was "breaking a rule". How can anyone here that owns tools, do a case study then? Everyone that owns a tool will use it. I didnt sell it, or over mention it, PEOPLE asked what tools..I said PM me. How that not handling it appropriately??


    lol...riiiiiight :rolleyes:


    You keep saying that, not me.

    I simply stated this was a case study created by the makers of.... not these are the tools that made such glorious results. Not only that, but anytime some one even ASKED us about the tools used, I asked them to PM me because I didn't want to discuss it in the thread, that the point of the thread was the case study.

    It wasn't till you came in there trying to turn it into a sales thread by talking about our tools over and over that it became one and then got deleted. The same exact thread, on forums with the same exact rules...are thriving.

    On one it has 3,684 views with 111 replies and no one came in like an a-hole trying to make it seem like it was some infomercial, or that it was anything other than what it was...a case study.

    You tell me how I can do a honest case study, if I don't tell what I did honestly? Of course I used SOME of our tools, we own them..I'm not going to pay for something I can do for free. The best I can do is not mention it was MY tool, and thats what I did...when someone asked..I just said to PM me.

    The only time I mentioned any links was originally as I introduced who I was.
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    • HK I give up. I tried to explain but its went on deaf ears. IF your threads were deleted by a mod then you broke a rule. Complaining about mod action isn't something to do in this thread (this thread is about the use of tools for SEO not bashing networks) or for that matter in any open thread. Take it up with a mod but pointing out where else you broke them isn't a smart move either especially after admitting you link to your sales pages to "introduce who I was" :rolleyes: in regard to case studies that are entirely about your own services.
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    • You created a thread to spruik your own service. You launched the service that same morning as I just received the launch email from your company. Next thing I logged onto the WF and you had a thread created for a 'case study', and apparently not the first (you said the others were deleted).

      I believe the mods have made it clear in the past that you can't create or make posts promoting your own service unless it is an answer to a direct question such as: where do I find the HKSEO service? They have also said you can't create case studies where you end up selling a product or service directly related to that case study. People have been trying that one for a long time.

      I reported your advertising posts and I will keep reporting them. I report every time someone tries and slips one in. I am sure other people are reporting them too. No one wants this place to become nothing but a series of cases studies of people 'proving' how good their service is when it would be financial suicide to even hint that it might fail. That's what the classifieds and WSO section is for.

      For a case study to be of any use it would have to be completely transparent and run by someone with no ties to the service its proving right or wrong.
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  • ^ That was HERE in this thread, not on the case study. Don't mix and match what we are talking about. Not only do I not need to lie, the same case study was posted on multiple forums...I couldn't post different information in different places that people frequently cross visit.

    Yeah, our services are "weak" who's ever heard of us lol. I'm on here because checking the forums is part of my job (And because your so much fun ). This isn't a one man company, and is successful enough to support a team of people who comfortably do this for a living as their only means of income.

    ^ Not that, THAT has anything to do with anything...I'm not sure why you randomly bring up weird psuedo-facts like that lol
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    • Nope that was in another thread but looks like that was deleted too. It tells anyone who to believe when you say you were not advertising. I'm not asking . I saw that thread and so did Troy who just stated so. You were advertising in the case study that was deleted or it wouldn't be deleted . end of story.

      Even worse - a company that pays someone to troll and spam forums and if thats not what they pay you to do the way you are representing them here I would look for a new job - Stat.

      Thanks for all the bumps of the thread though - preciate it Have a great night.
  • bump - need to come back and add some insight to this thread.
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    • I have a fiverr gig where I said I will create 3 blog posts using blogspot, wordpress and tumblr. Then I will blast 10000 forum profile backlinks to these 3 tier1 blogs. I made only 44 sales during last 3 months.

      I had a fiverr gig where I was offering 10000 forum profiles and I made over 300 sales within 1 month!


      @- Folks dont have enough knowledge on SEO
      @- Descriptions are very attractive to hypnotize folks.
      @- They are very optimistic
      @- Everybody wants to make money within few minutes!
  • I wondet why a bunch of folks are reporting successful ranks using automation and or services who blast garbage plr spun content. I ask them for reports on how long they keep ranks but reports keep telling me these "garbage" tools or services are working.

    Hard to know what's right.
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    • Hi boxoun,

      Unless you know the keywords and URLs people are using its hard to say the links - any links - are working really. Sure if you have some term no one is going after you can rank a site with any kind of links - sometimes even no links. So every link will work for something but to get an increase to the point of getting real good traffic requires at least being able to beat decent competition.
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    You'll get my new backlinking software when YOU PRY IT of my dead cold hands

    It amazing. Its pretty much established now that the game has changed and the old backlink software that delivers profile, directory, bookmarking etc, links won't stand up long term to panda. People are doing so much better with things like BMR and yeah even some tumblr and blog commenting. Yet every other day someone is coming out with a new tool and people are biting on it like it has some mystery to it. Like we were still back in the Angela Backlinks can rank me for anything days.