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14 years ago

Nice tips GeorgR, today blast and spamming blog comment are a popular one for link building method. I read from another thread, this method successfully. But whether it can survive or not I do not know. Thanks for your share.

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carlenesky 14 years ago

I think you did a great tips in SEO because I also do what you are doing but I don't know if this is still applicable with the update of google panda. Are link diversity is still good? I'm worried for this :confused:.
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theebookcavern

14 years ago

Some good tips GeorgR. However, I don't agree that blog comments are useless. I get quite a few readers on my fitness blog who say they found me via a comment on another fitness blog. In pure SEO terms there may be more effective methods for gaining rank but I still think it's a valuable way to network and get direct traffic.

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Liam Hamer

14 years ago

Great tips George, I agree with almost all of them 100%

Originally Posted by theebookcavern

Some good tips GeorgR. However, I don't agree that blog comments are useless. I get quite a few readers on my fitness blog who say they found me via a comment on another fitness blog. In pure SEO terms there may be more effective methods for gaining rank but I still think it's a valuable way to network and get direct traffic.

I think he was referring to blog spam, rather than context-relevant blog commenting. The latter is extremely effective, the former has some value, but is just contributing to the junk and spam all over the internet(in my opinion).

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MikeFriedman

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Liam Hamer

I think he was referring to blog spam, rather than context-relevant blog commenting. The latter is extremely effective, the former has some value, but is just contributing to the junk and spam all over the internet(in my opinion).

Don't kid yourself. They're both spam.

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Liam Hamer

14 years ago

Originally Posted by MikeFriedman

Don't kid yourself. They're both spam.

So you consider adding a relevant, helpful and informative comment to a blog post spam? :confused: I don't. Yes, there is the bonus of some link juice and possibly traffic, but those kinds of comments are contributing to sites.

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MikeFriedman

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Liam Hamer

So you consider adding a relevant, helpful and informative comment to a blog post spam? :confused: I don't. Yes, there is the bonus of some link juice and possibly traffic, but those kinds of comments are contributing to sites.

That is just how wannabe white-hatters try to justify what they are doing. It is still spam. You can word it anyway you want.

If you really wanted to add something that contributes to the site, then do it without the link.

If you are leaving a comment with a link to a site you own, you are doing it only for self-serving purposes. Yes, I consider that spam. I'm not saying it is right or wrong. It is just foolish to try to argue that you are adding something useful to the website. That is just complete BS.

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Fraggler 14 years ago

Originally Posted by MikeFriedman

That is just how wannabe white-hatters try to justify what they are doing. It is still spam. You can word it anyway you want.

What rot.

It's no different to posting on an discussion forum with a link in your signature.

It gives you targeted traffic; it builds your reputation within the community; it gives you a backlink. That's marketing, not spam.
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14 years ago

Originally Posted by MikeFriedman

That is just how wannabe white-hatters try to justify what they are doing. It is still spam. You can word it anyway you want.

If you really wanted to add something that contributes to the site, then do it without the link.

If you are leaving a comment with a link to a site you own, you are doing it only for self-serving purposes. Yes, I consider that spam. I'm not saying it is right or wrong. It is just foolish to try to argue that you are adding something useful to the website. That is just complete BS.

So according to you and your logic, forum posting (since its basically the same as blog commenting) would be spamming as well and you are a spammer too!

I mean, If you really wanted to add something that contributes to the site (forum), then do it without the link (lets look at your Signature)!...

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MikeFriedman

14 years ago

Originally Posted by satrap

So according to you and your logic, forum posting (since its basically the same as blog commenting) would be spamming as well and you are a spammer too!

I mean, If you really wanted to add something that contributes to the site (forum), then do it without the link (lets look at your Signature)!...

No offense, but signatures in a marketing forum, are a little different, but whatever. Call it spam. I really don't care. I don't have a problem with it. I just laugh at the people that try so hard to justify their comments on blogs, especially when they are dropping 20-30 a day.

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Fraggler 14 years ago

Originally Posted by MikeFriedman

Don't kid yourself. They're both spam.

Real blog commenting and interacting with your niche's community are great links. You get easy access to high PR links as well as a traffic source that doesn't rely on google.
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iamnotfrankkern

14 years ago

Some fundamental tips but anyway... nice tips! Thanks for sharing!

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When one choose SEO then the major factors are to get the site on top position and to get the best keyword positing and ranking high for the site.
So by getting the more quality backlinks , providing the quality and new information , choice of best keywords & titles , and submission on high pr and quality sites.
And the need is to manage the off page and on page both the methods in good way.

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mahmoodali

14 years ago

Amazing its such a helpful tips i appreciate it...

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Virtual Force

14 years ago

That's really some useful tips in way of SEO and hopefully it will work good.

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14 years ago

Blog Commenting still has its good benefits given the proper tactics:

- Direct traffic
- Search Rankings
- Branding

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14 years ago

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riysoft

14 years ago

Well Wordpress is best to get number one rank. Because google crawls very fast whenever your site is updated on WP.

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keepgoin

14 years ago

Excellent Advice - I would add article syndication to the strategy, in order to get traffic from a source other than Google!

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Mantasmo

14 years ago

Originally Posted by GeorgR.

* DON'T DO "BLASTS"

If you think that xrumer blasts or other blasts with 1000s of links do anything good you are a fool. This hardly works. If anything, it gets you penalized for some time.

Agree with you for the most part, but this point just isn't true.

Just finished a massive 50+ blast run for a client and he's top 3 for 38 out of those 50 sites/kws just 5 days later. Many of the sites had no other backlinks/completely new sites before the blasts.

Penalties are very rare. So rare that I haven't actually experienced one in months now (not talking xrumer and blog comment spam here).

Good post overall.

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Iain Key

14 years ago

excellent tips thank you!

Site quality is definitely more important this year, I'd go as far as to say Site Size is another important indicator too so long as it's quality content

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webdesigndevelopment 14 years ago

Thanks for you tips. Specially your tips for ** Link DIVERSITY *** and * LINK VELOCITY is very useful. Those are the common mistakes most of the link builder makes.
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14 years ago

Originally Posted by GeorgR.

Don't be stupid and use common sense.

Best tip of the day IMO

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14 years ago

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MikeTheBuilder

14 years ago

Great Tips George : )

I couldn't agree with you anymore, onsite seo has become very important in test sites I've got running. In some cases, good onsite seo and a few good link is all you need in certain niches.

Bold and italics seem to be working well too.

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cotalika

14 years ago

Amazing its such a helpful tips i appreciate it...

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BarryOnline

14 years ago

Not sure what Wordpress in itself has got to do with ranking.

It's just an HTML editing platfom to build web pages. You can build an SEO friendly page with any HTML editor.

I'm a Wordpress fan myself but not because it has any special ranking abilities.

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Liam Hamer

14 years ago

Originally Posted by BarryOnline

Not sure what Wordpress in itself has got to do with ranking.

It's just an HTML editing platfom to build web pages. You can build an SEO friendly page with any HTML editor.

I'm a Wordpress fan myself but not because it has any special ranking abilities.

Well, speaking for myself, it's nice and easy to use(once you get the hang of it, of course) and has lots of great plugins that make SEO(and lots of other aspects) quicker and easier

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Adnan Firdous

14 years ago

Link velocity is the main thing! I saw some sites ranking no.1 with only Private Blog Network links! Though link diversity is a good thing as well!

P.S. Sometimes I think even Google doesn't know what their bots will do :p

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GeorgR.

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Adnan Firdous

Link velocity is the main thing! I saw some sites ranking no.1 with only Private Blog Network links! Though link diversity is a good thing as well!

P.S. Sometimes I think even Google doesn't know what their bots will do :p

Blog Networks were AND STILL ARE incredible powerful. Just make sure that the owner(s) of the network and sites don't do stupid things. It needs some knowledge to operate an effective blog network. If you do stupid things like share the same DNS (let alone IPs...) across the network....you can quickly get ito trouble.

It wouldn't be the first "private" blog network getting completely deindexed by google! I wouldn't trust the "first best" blog network advertized somewhere if i dont know that the person(s) REALLY know what they are doing to keep under the radar.

Here also: While blog networks ARE powerful, don't forget to diversify your links - add articles, bookmarks and some social activities too to boost your rankings even more.

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14 years ago

Awesome SEO tips this is very useful for everyone to acheive good ranking in search engine.

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Rollmodl

14 years ago

Use Wordpress, nothing beats wordpress

I'll have to disagree with that one. Wordpress in itself will not help you rank, it's what you do with it just like other CMS and platforms.

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GeorgR.

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Rollmodl

I'll have to disagree with that one. Wordpress in itself will not help you rank, it's what you do with it just like other CMS and platforms.

Yes of course that's implied.

I see plenty of really crappy sites running on WP, or you could also make a drupal site or use another good CMS and also rank very well.

But i meant the effort/benefit ratio which is simply very good with wordpress because it provides a lot of benefits for rankings right out of the box.

A site "itself" will never rank, it's what's on the site and also how well you structure your site, site navigation, categories etc..etc..but then this is also what you are saying

Wordpress simply makes this all relatively easy.

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Rollmodl

14 years ago

Originally Posted by GeorgR.

Yes of course that's implied.

I see plenty of really crappy sites running on WP, or you could also make a drupal site or use another good CMS and also rank very well.

But i meant the effort/benefit ratio which is simply very good with wordpress because it provides a lot of benefits for rankings right out of the box.

A site "itself" will never rank, it's what's on the site and also how well you structure your site, site navigation, categories etc..etc..but then this is also what you are saying

Wordpress simply makes this all relatively easy.

Now that explanation makes more sense and yes I also have seen alot of crappy WP sites

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GeorgR. 14 years ago

Originally Posted by Izaya

So much bad advice and false claims I don't even know where to start.

uhm..i am listening!
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Liam Hamer 14 years ago

Originally Posted by Izaya

So much bad advice and false claims I don't even know where to start.

I found George's post to be very valuable, with lots of good advice based on his own experiences. If you disagree with some of them, why not counter with techniques and strategies you consider to be superior?
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  Don't want to waste my time helping you. If you want my help you can pay me, or read my other comments in the seo section.
  
  Don't want, nor need your help but thanks
  
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  But here's three things since am such a nice guy:
  
  Clearly.
  
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  I hit all my posts with over 1k+ bookmarks all the time
  5 links a day is nothing
  velocity is BS
  
  Good for you.
  
  There is a certain amount of bad advice on here(this specific sub forum I mean) every single day, but I certainly wouldn't put this particular OP in that category. He posted a detailed list of things that work for him - I don't see what's wrong with that. Yes, some of us may disagree with parts of it, but I'm not sure why that would warrant such negative and non-constructive responses to it. Oh well, reminded me why I don't post in this section much.
  
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  If you don't know what your talking about it's best not to post BS information.
  
  Yes, i don't know what i am doing
  
  That's why i was ranking #1 for "lose weight" in Google and rank most other keywords to #1 in (relatively) little time. Sorry to sound like a "know-it-all"...but something about what i am doing must be right.
  
  I am not claiming perfection, neither do i have insight into Google secrets..but i know ONE thing that is that many people *do* give false and wrong advice. And for a newbie *i think* my little tips in the OP are a good start.
  
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jonnyhardbaked

14 years ago

Originally Posted by GeorgR.

A new site doesn't get 1000s links at one day or 1000 bookmarks or 1000 tweets in a day or even a week.

I blasted my newly launched site with thousands of bookmarking links, and other links from different sources. So if we do the math, I think it's 2 to 3 thousand backlinks built in one week..All manual.

Can you explain why my site didn't get slap or penalized or the so-called "Sandboxed?!?!?!?!" or whatever you call it? Actually, it ranks pretty well until now even when I stopped building some links for now.

I just want to get your side...Since I can't post the site here, It's all bout gambling, online gambling, online casino...All of Those are in a stiff competition.

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14 years ago

Originally Posted by jonnyhardbaked

I blasted my newly launched site with thousands of bookmarking links, and other links from different sources. So if we do the math, I think it's 2 to 3 thousand backlinks built in one week..All manual.

Can you explain why my site didn't get slap or penalized or the so-called "Sandboxed?!?!?!?!" or whatever you call it?

Yes i can explain.

If you blasted with bookmarks you got lucky because you fooled Google into thinking that your site is (or got) very popular.

BUT..blasting is usually not only bookmarks, many people who sell so called "seo services" are blasting garbage like Xrumer forum profiles. And i know from experience that 1000s of "profiles" in a short time are BAD. VERY bad. (Even for sites which are 5 years old).

So we can assume that blasting bookmarks is "more safe" if done right than blasting spam comments or "profiles".

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jonnyhardbaked

14 years ago

Originally Posted by GeorgR.

Yes i can explain.

If you blasted with bookmarks you got lucky because you fooled Google into thinking that your site is (or got) very popular.

BUT..blasting is usually not only bookmarks, many people who sell so called "seo services" are blasting garbage like Xrumer forum profiles. And i know from experience that 1000s of "profiles" in a short time are BAD. VERY bad. (Even for sites which are 5 years old).

So we can assume that blasting bookmarks is "more safe" if done right than blasting spam comments or "profiles".

Really?! I was able to fool Google? I must thank you for that...Ok, I get your point about links from Bookmarking..

I have said above that I also get links from other sources like directories, article directories, (I actually submitted the same article to hundreds of article directories), blog comments(which I don't know if they get approved), and others stuffs that are related to link building..Please give a light on it....Any explanation will be gratefully appreciated..

An oh! I also built profile links to it...

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GeorgR.

14 years ago

Originally Posted by jonnyhardbaked

Really?! I was able to fool Google? I must thank you for that...Ok, I get your point about links from Bookmarking..

I have said above that I also get links from other sources like directories, article directories, (I actually submitted the same article to hundreds of article directories), blog comments(which I don't know if they get approved), and others stuffs that are related to link building..Please give a light on it....Any explanation will be gratefully appreciated..

An oh! I also built profile links to it...

Jonny,

what do you want me to explain? I mean, basically we agree on things. I am just saying that on many forums there are people who do a terrible job selling "blasts" where i KNOW they wont do anything or better even put you into a penalty for 6 months.

This doesn't seem to apply for bookmarks...or maybe the 1000 bookmarks are still ok in Google's eyes. You know, there are people blasting 10.000 or more.

You know..if i would know from experience that blasting 10.000 profile links is the best thing you can do for SEO..i would have certainly written that down too in my list

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jonnyhardbaked

14 years ago

Originally Posted by GeorgR.

Jonny,

what do you want me to explain? I mean, basically we agree on things. I am just saying that on many forums there are people who do a terrible job selling "blasts" where i KNOW they wont do anything or better even put you into a penalty for 6 months.

This doesn't seem to apply for bookmarks...or maybe the 1000 bookmarks are still ok in Google's eyes. You know, there are people blasting 10.000 or more.

You know..if i would know from experience that blasting 10.000 profile links is the best thing you can do for SEO..i would have certainly written that down too in my list

Thanks for the information pal. Yeah, we agree on things and I get your point.

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14 years ago

Originally Posted by GeorgR.

"Real" as in not copied and pasted from another site. Based on my own experiences.

* On-Site factors were and are STILL important. Some people tell you after Panda no one cares about on-site factors anymore. Not true. (H1, H2 tags, desciption, title etc..)

* Use Wordpress, nothing beats wordpress

* Site quality ABOVE EVERYTHING. You might be able to rank with a crappy "sniper" site, congratulations. But you can rank for almost ANYTHING if you have a quality site and keep it updated. Not extreme, one or two good articles per week should be ok.

* Your site should cover related keywords, categories etc. If you do a Google search for a keyword and google suggests you related keywords....incorporate those into your site, make categories for them.

Don't expect a one-pager ranking to #1 for "lose weight"...for such a keyword and similar super keywords you should *attempt* to make an authority site which covers many aspects which are all related to your "main keyword". An authority can be a well planned site with appropriate categories all closely related to your main topic.

* MODERATION IN LINK BUILDING

5 links a day can go a long way if you do it consistently.

* DON'T DO "BLASTS"

If you think that xrumer blasts or other blasts with 1000s of links do anything good you are a fool. This hardly works. If anything, it gets you penalized for some time.

* LINK VELOCITY

Don't start building links and then stop. Once started building links you have to keep going and going and going. If anything, you should actually gradually increase your volume in time. Don't get lazy and stop submitting and building.

* NO BLOG SPAMS

I don't think blog commenting has any value anymore. Don't waste your time with it and think that blasting 1000s of comments with Scrapebox do anything good. It wont.

*** Link DIVERSITY ***

Blog Networks, Social Networks, Bookmarking, Articles. All has its place. To be honest, i don't think that elaborate link schemes like link pyramids or link wheels are that effective - as long as you mimic "natural links" and simply keep it diverse. Pseudo randomness! Interlink whatever you want AT WILL.

You can bookmark your own site, you can bookmark Web2.0 sites linking to your site etc.etc.. Submit articles with links to Web2.0, but ALSO articles which point to your site(s). The more diverse your link building, the better!

Honestly, there are no rules. It can look chaotic and as if there is no plan or scheme behind it - but it's a good thing.

** Avoid anything unnatural.

A new site doesn't get 1000s links at one day or 1000 bookmarks or 1000 tweets in a day or even a week.

A site does NOT only have links from blog networks.

A site does NOT only have "follow" links or high PR links from authority sites.

A site does NOT only have links from social sites.

A site does NOT only have backlinks with one anchor text which never changes.

A real article or blog entry RARELY links only to one site, to yours. So why then do you submit blog entries and articles which only link to YOUR site? Never thought about it, hu? You are aware that a "legit" article or blog entry USUALLY has several links and links to several sites as reference. Not only to ONE and only one site...

And so forth...i could list a zillion of examples what to avoid...

Don't be stupid and use common sense. Look at your own link building and try to mimic a "natural behavior" as close as possible.

George,

thanks for the effort, but seeing as you have 5700 posts and you are a member since 2007 this is the best you can come up with?

Few things wrong there.

1. Either preparing a WSO for something bigger
2. Do what every self proclaimed SEO Expert does and that is NOT telling all that is needed to succeed.
3. You have been focusing on other things except SEO.

Again, this is stuff for newbees.
I think you should only start a thread when you have something really new to tell, otherwise start a WSO and sell the same old same old

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GeorgR. 14 years ago

Again, this is stuff for newbees.
I think you should only start a thread when you have something really new to tell, otherwise start a WSO and sell the same old same old

Yes it is for newbies

And yes, if i would want to write my strategies down in detail (which i know from experience that they work)..i would make a WSO or clickbank product.

Nevertheless, what i said (even if it sounds simple) applies...ONE big mistake is actually that many people over-think and over-complicate SEO.

G.
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GeorgR. 14 years ago

Originally Posted by SEOMasters

George,
otherwise start a WSO and sell the same old same old

I don't know whether i have the time to make such a WSO..if i were to make a product about SEO and ranking i would want to make something which is different than the 1000s of guides which are already out there. Also, i would need to know that what i am creating would SELL..not just make "another SEO guide" amongst 1000s.

But..it is a fact that many people do give false advice, one example was this WSO where someone claims how different it is now "after panda" as compared to "before panda" - where i STRONGLY disagree with what was said in that WSO. (He basically said you wont go anywhere in rankings without excessive facebooking, google+ etc. which is simply not true. I don't engage in anything of that facebook madness and in fact did not even take a look at Google+ yet.)

Also...dont forget..ok we are here on a SEO sub-forum and some people really know their stuff...but many, many, many dont! Not everyone knows SEO..or they make really bad mistakes.
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kengperapol

14 years ago

Thanks for tips!

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Matt Ausin

14 years ago

I was just gonna press "thanks", but then I re-read and thought that wasn't enough

This is a golden nugget to anyone who has at least a little bit common sense. Thanks for sharing

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clarentino 14 years ago

let me add to this. I've been getting pretty good results using Unique Article Wizard to rank my sites on the Google. It's a bit expensive, slightly tedious since you need to write articles and spin them but ultimately, I get consistent contextual backlinks from blogs, even high authority blogs.
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Dr.faizan

14 years ago

No offence but one of the very overrated thread. Because most of the tips mentioned are well known and also some of the tips mentioned are not true. I am posting this based on my first hand experience which helped me ranking many sites.

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Fraggler

14 years ago

Mike, they are no different. Blogs are communities just like forums. The marketers see that a blog comment is more than a backlink - just like a signature in a forum. Check out the major SEO blogs and you will see regular members commenting quite fine with links attached to their posts. It's the same for most niches.

Yes, hit and run campaigns across mutliple blogs with little regard to the community can be seen as spam but it's also counter-productive.

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MikeFriedman

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Fraggler

Mike, they are no different. Blogs are communities just like forums. The marketers see that a blog comment is more than a backlink - just like a signature in a forum. Check out the major SEO blogs and you will see regular members commenting quite fine with links attached to their posts. It's the same for most niches.

Yes, hit and run campaigns across mutliple blogs with little regard to the community can be seen as spam but it's also counter-productive.

Ok, let me put it this way. If it is a community you would participate in regardless of the potential gain through dropping any links, then fine. No problem.

If it is a community you are going out of your way to participate in just for the sake of links, no matter how insightful you feel your comments are, you are spamming.

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giseo

14 years ago

Just moved up a site of mine in a competitive niche with just some better link diversity. I simple thing that can work wonders.

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Dresden14

14 years ago

hmmm I disagree with like 50% of the things you said, yet I rank numero uno (or 2-3) for well over 20 keys... so hmmmmm

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WakondaMarketing

14 years ago

Wonderful tips you've got there. I agree that link diversity should be strictly followed. Nig G will be very suspicious if your links are entirely do-follows.

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laurief

14 years ago

Useful post but...
Nothing beats wordpress??? And thats second on that list?

I think thats a statment that needs I little more explanation. At least SEOwise...